WarRoom Battleground EP 926: US REVIVAL LATEST: Bible Sales Shot Up 36% In The Month Charlie Kirk Was Martyred

Summary

WarRoom Battleground EP 926 – US Revival Latest: Bible Sales Shot Up 36% in the Month Charlie Kirk Was Martyred

Date: January 14, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Guests: Frank Walker (Canon212), Jenny Holland

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Episode Overview

This episode of WarRoom Battleground explores two central themes: internal turmoil and resistance in the Catholic Church’s leadership, contrasted with an apparent spiritual revival among young Westerners, especially highlighted by surging Bible sales and growing Catholic identification in Generation Z. The tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk is mentioned as a catalyst for this revival. The show features candid, at times fiery, analysis of church politics, culture, and youth trends, peppered with the hosts’ and guests’ personal experiences and reflections.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Crisis and Control in the Institutional Catholic Church

• Consistory in the Vatican:
  Discussion centered on the recent gathering of cardinals (consistory) and its implications for church tradition, leadership, and dissent.

  • Pope Leo (dubbed “Francis 2.0”) allows cardinals to meet, unlike predecessor Pope Francis, but maintains strict control.
  • Notable interventions included those of Card. Roach (UK, liturgy chief), Card. Zen (Hong Kong), Card. Gretsch (synod boss), and Card. Fernandez.

• Suppression of Traditionalism:

  • Frank Walker expressed that expectations about liberalizing the Latin Mass were dashed; traditional liturgy continues to be suppressed.
    • “They're not part of the revival… That’s an organic thing. That’s something that’s come from God himself.” [04:35, Frank Walker]
    • Walker accuses leadership of upholding “a model of structure that I would call very Nazi. It stomps down on any dissent whatsoever.” [05:20, Frank Walker]
  • The hierarchy favors “unity”—but only as uniformity for their vision, not true Catholic unity.

• Resistance and Dissent: Cardinal Zen’s Speech

  • Cardinal Zen, at 93, denounced the consistory’s synodal process as “ironclad manipulation and an insult to bishops.” [09:00, B; 11:21, C]
    • “People think that holiness and humility means being cowardly in the face of injustice. Of course it doesn’t mean that.” [09:16, B]
    • Zen, described as saintly and courageous, risks severe repercussions due to his defense of faith under Communist pressure in China.

• Critique of Progressive Church Elements:

  • Guests sharply criticize the “68 generation” that “hijacked the church,” blaming modernist policies for institutional decline.
  • There’s scorn for media-apologist Catholics (“TradInc”) who argued Pope Leo would loosen restrictions; the podcast claims these hopes were misplaced.

2. Spiritual Revival Among Generation Z

• Bible Sales Surge in UK and US:

  • Jenny Holland reports Bible sales in the UK rose to 6.3 million in 2025 (up 134% since 2019). The religious nonfiction segment grew 11% year-on-year.
  • “Sales of Bibles were up 34% in September 2025 following [Charlie Kirk’s] death than in September 2024.” [21:22, D]
  • The assassination of Charlie Kirk is credited as a defining spiritual moment for many, particularly the young.

• Generation Z’s Embrace of Faith:

  • Gen Z is “far less likely to identify as atheist than their parents,” and is seen rejecting “crass materialism, extreme promiscuity, and excessive internet culture.” [19:23, D]
  • Holland sees “an influential segment… saying, enough with the sins of the world, and turning to church.” [20:21, D]
  • An uptick in young men’s church attendance: 21% of 18–24-year-old men are regular churchgoers versus 12% of women. [31:42, B]

• Shift in US Religious Identity:

  • For the first time, Catholic Gen Z outnumber Protestants among 18–24-year-olds in the US: 21% Catholic vs. 19% Protestant. [33:03, D]
  • Protestant decline attributed to “wokeness” and internal polarization; “Pride flags hanging from altars… that’s a stain that cannot be washed away.” [34:30, D]
  • Catholicism’s endurance seen as grassroots-led, family-based, and less tainted by institutional compromise.

• Parental Influence and Cultural Reaction:

  • Holland and the host discuss how Gen Z’s search for meaning is partly a “youthful rebellion” against the “godless materialism” of Gen X parents. [22:16–24:43, B/D]
  • Modern spiritual hunger is seen as a response to overabundance in material wealth and undernourishment spiritually, intellectually, and socially.

3. Scandal and Secularization: The “Slime Jesus” Incident in Germany

• German Catholic Scandal:
  • Christmas Eve mass on German TV featured a controversial “Slime Jesus” nativity—a modern art depiction that many saw as sacrilegious or grotesque.
  • “It looks like a blob of flesh to me… Even the Christian Democrats called it disgusting.” [40:14, C]
  • Critiqued as an example of artistic overreach and spiritual decline: “They blame it on art… Shows you what we need to remember every day, who they really are. This is what Satanism is: it’s making mockery of God.” [41:08–43:30, C]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"They're not part of the revival that Jenny's going to be talking about at all. That's an organic thing. That's something that's come from God himself, I think."
— Frank Walker [04:35]

"He [Cardinal Zen] called synodality an ironclad manipulation and an insult to bishops."
— Host [09:00]

“The people that he has worked together with are jailed. And you know, he's facing this prosecution too. … he's 93 years old is awful old to travel all the way here and give this brave speech.”
— Frank Walker [11:47]

“Gen Z are in a very visible way rejecting the crass materialism, extreme promiscuity, excessive Internet culture of our time. They are moving away from it.”
— Jenny Holland [20:21]

"In September [2025] there was a year-on-year increase of 36% [in Bible sales] which is a huge number."
— Host [22:16]

"Among 18 to 24 year olds, Gen Zs now outnumber—Catholic Gen Zs outnumber Protestant Gen Zs ... historic and unprecedented."
— Jenny Holland [33:01]

"Protestant churches, many of them, the big ones, went woke and got broke... That's a stain that cannot be washed away."
— Jenny Holland [34:30]

"It looks like a blob of flesh to me... the outrage from the community is right."
— Frank Walker, on the German 'Slime Jesus' art [40:14]

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Jenny Holland’s Rosary Journey

• A Year of Daily Rosary from Atheist to Believer:
  • Holland shares how she started praying the rosary daily a year ago, influenced by a previous War Room segment.
  • “I can’t honestly call myself an atheist anymore... It made my mood better... produced a peacefulness and stability within me that became stronger and stronger.” [46:22, D]
  • Key insight: “Don’t let perfection be the enemy of the good when making progress in one's prayer life, one's interior life.” [49:05, D]
  • Rosary practice gave her detachment from worldly concerns: “Let God take care of it... very valuable meditation when you're in this business… Let God guide you and not the attention economy, essentially.” [50:00, D]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:54 – Introduction and preview of topics
• 03:00–16:19 – Catholic Church consistory, suppression of traditionalism, Cardinal interventions (Walker)
• 19:23–24:43 – Revival in the UK, Bible sales surge, Charlie Kirk’s martyrdom, Gen Z religious trends (Holland)
• 31:42–35:51 – US religious identification shift: Gen Z Catholics vs. Protestants (Holland)
• 38:10–43:45 – German “Slime Jesus” controversy and broader cultural decline (Walker)
• 46:22–51:06 – Jenny Holland’s personal journey, the impact of praying the rosary for a year

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Conclusion & Where to Find Guests

• Jenny Holland: jennyeholland.substack.com, YouTube “Saving Culture From Itself”
• Frank Walker: canon212.com; daily updates on Rumble and Gloria TV; @canon212 on Twitter

Final words: The episode ends with affirmation of the revival’s authenticity, celebration of grassroots faith, and stark criticism of institutional failures both in religion and culture. The speakers urge vigilance and hope in spiritual renewal amid widespread material and moral crises.

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Transcript

[A]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.

[B]

Medieval on these people.

[A]

Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[B]

And where do people like that go.

[A]

To share the big lie?

[B]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[A]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.

[C]

Country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[B]

Good evening. Wednesday, 14th of January, Anno Domini 2026. Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. Coming up later on the show, we're going to be talking to Jenny Holland who's got some fascinating and quite, really quite encouraging news to do with Bible sales in the UK amongst Generation Z. And she's also going to be telling us a little bit about the success she's been having on on having now reached 365 days straight, praying the holy, holy rosary. She'll be telling us about that. Frank Walker will be telling us later on in the show about a new low in Germany, the land of the Protestant Reformation of Martin Luther new low. There they were on Christmas Eve celebrating on national television the birth of our Lord and savior or what built magazine called Slime Jesus. We'll be talking about that later on in the show. First, however, very much in the mission of our Wednesday War Room segments, bringing you the truth of what's taking place in the institutional Catholic Church, the truth that pretty much all other Catholic outlets are hiding from you, the faithful. We're talking now about the what's the big news in there? That Catholic Church over the last 10 days or so, this is the consistory in the Vatican, the gathering of all the cardinals together, something that Bergoglio Pope, Pope Francis, the late unlamented pope, always sought to avoid doing. He didn't like the cardinals, the princes of the church getting together. He feared that, feared what they might be discussing, feared the potential of resistance to his running the church into the ground. Well, Leo, who is very much Francis 2.0, we've been clear about that on the War room from day one, at least on this respect, feels slightly more secure in his own leadership that he's tolerating the cardinals getting together. What is now emerging is what happened on those two days. Frank Walker, founder editor in chief of Canon 212 joins us as ever on Wednesday. Frank, you have some of the news now that's been escaping over the last few days. Some of it has been quite rebellious amongst the cardinals. Other news has been slightly more expected from the usual quarters from terms of the modernists and the heretics. Tell us about Cardinal Roach, whom we call in the UK cockroach. He was in charge of the liturgy. His was, was one of the four papers that was distributed to all the cardinals. Tell me, are we seeing. Jenny's going to be talking us later about this revival that seems to be taking place amongst Gen Generation Z. We've been hitting this every week on the show, especially amongst young, young people, young guys and massive uptick towards the traditional Latin Mass. Is the institutional Catholic Church finally moving itself, orientating itself to, to, to receive the fruits of the Holy Spirit and open the math Mass, the Old Mass, the Latin Mass, to this, to the new waves of youth that are crossing the threshold for the first time or are they trying to stamp on the embers and stop it from taking light? What, what, what, what was, what was Cardinal Roach's intervention?

[C]

That was a good way to put it, stamp on the embers. They're not part of the revival that Jenny's going to be talking about at all. That's an organic thing. That's something that's come from God himself, I think. And you know, in this, with the dry wood that Jesus said we'd have in, in the late times, there's still hope, but it's not coming from through these men. These men are continuing to drag up what, what has been their, their, their foundation for the last 60 years, Vatican II, that now this Cardinal Consistory is a chance for very important men to gather together, talk to each other, talk to the Pope, contribute. But that, that's not what they had there. And that's why Leo has brought back the constituent because he has a model of structure that I would, I would call very Nazi. It stomps down on any dissent whatsoever. They had, they said that they might just. They were going to discuss the liturgy and the trad Inc were so excited about that, but that didn't happen at all. We had Cardinal Gretsch, who I call the Synod boss, came to this Synod consistory talking about synods and how they don't take away from the authority of the Pope but they need to bring a consensus to him. So what happens when you have a bunch of people that disagree. There becomes a consensus in the synod. And that consensus, when you bring it to the Pope and the Pope says okay to it, it becomes doctrine, it becomes method of the Church. So it's a way to take things that are bad and make them look good. He gave a talk and then they had kissy. I call kissy Fernandez Cardo Fernandez, a doctrine chief who's a notorious pervert with soft porn writings going back for decades. He came and he talked to them too, and told them about how make sure you're open to new methods and things, don't let the old methods exist, and make sure you examine your sermons, that you don't try, you know, hammer too hard on doctrine. Don't give doctrine to it. So this was another speech that opened up this synod. And then, like you mentioned, Cardinal Roach gave the most powerful element, but they had voted down discussion of the liturgy like they had hoped for. And Cardinal Roach did not even speak. He gave a pamphlet, he gave. He gave something that was written. So not only did they suppress liturgy altogether, but they didn't even have a talk on it, because all it was was a reaffirmation of Francis's destruction of the ancient Mass, which is the only really fruitful Mass, the only thing that grows the Novus Oral Mass that we've had for since my whole lifetime, that has only led to destruction, and it's led to people, like, going the other way. And so what Cardinal Roche has said, well, we've always changed liturgies, and Vatican II has mandated this nova sort, which is a complete lie, they say all the time. But the liturgy always being changed, that's not true either. The ancient Latin Mass goes back to before we can even tell, before we even know. And, you know, there are all sorts of diversity in liturgies that are possible, but they need to be Catholic. And they're saying that their new Mass and the other Mass together don't have unity. And unity like Leo has always gone about is essential, but they don't mean unity in Catholicism and in faith. They mean unity in what they're trying to accomplish, this new Mass, this new church. And it really reveals what they're really all about. This is Latin, you know, the Latin Mass is really about a different religion. And Leo and his henchmen here are revealing that. They think it's a different religion and we can't have unity with two different religions. That's the essence of the synod. It was really a squashing of any dissent from their program.

[B]

I think the Canon, the Roman Canon, the canon of the Mass goes back to like the third or the fourth century, pretty much untouched until the two priests rewrote, rewrote it in a Roman restaurant in Trasteverus overnight.

[C]

They keep saying that it's Vatican ii, but you're right, it was done discreetly sort of behind the scenes after Vatican ii. It's really not recommended in Vatican II at all.

[B]

I noticed that Cardinal Cockroach sort of quoted Pope Benedict in his pamphlet. He didn't quote I, I, I searched for Frank Walker. I didn't find the part where the, the Holy Cardinal quotes Rat Singer as calling the Novus Auto Mass a banal on the spot product. That part was missing from, from, from summary. Tell me about if tell me before we go to a quick break about Cardinal Zen's intervention when he calls synodality an ironclad manipulation and an insult to bishops. I hear that was a rather unexpected. No, it was to be expected. But the degree with which he spoke, I think was, wasn't exactly foreseen before the consistory. And, and you know, we have to give full credit to him. This is the, you see, people think that holiness and humility means being cowardly in the face of injustice. Of course, it doesn't mean that. And I think Cardinal, anyone who's met cardinals and I've met him, I don't know, Steve Bannon's obviously met him several times when he was in the White House, says he's one of the most holiest men he's ever met. And I can second that. Very humble guy in demeanor, not sort of this fake humility that you often see in a lot of ambitious prelates. The genuine humility which you can see, you can feel. Very quiet guy, understated guy. He came out and I think gave the toughest speech. Just give me two minutes, if you wouldn't mind, on that and the potential consequences of what Cardinal Zen, who's been, who was a real hero for Catholics and all Christians when he was the cardinal bishop of Hong Kong in the face of the Chinese Communist Party. Very great guy, holy man. Give us two minutes, Frank, if you wouldn't mind, on his criticisms of the consistory agenda.

[C]

Well, I do remember how he did say that it's a manipulation. And that's exactly what it is. It's a control. And I was surprised that he was able to get out there, there with that, with that, that speech in only three minutes. Most of this information that we're talking to today hadn't even been released yet, but his piece was out and he also questioned who are the people of God and do these people that are in this event think that they're the people of God? And he let, and he also let everybody know that this was a synodal experience. This is not, you know, this is supposed to be a consistory where people, adults talk to each other freely. But no, it was a crushing. So everybody, I think, was thrilled. The thing that amazes me is that, is that he's 93 years old. I mean, 93 years old is awful old to travel all the way here and give this brave speech. And he did meet with Leo, I think as well. There's nothing been released about it. But he met with Leo, he traveled, he met with Leo. And I can sort of understand that because he has been. And he has watched Hong Kong and the Hong Kong church turn into the Chinese Communist Church with the help of Francis and Nalio. And he's under the gun. He's prosecuted. The people that he has worked together with are jailed. And you know, he's facing this prosecution too. And so he has, he has a lot to risk, even at his age by making these kinds of statements, by coming here and making waves like this. And you're right, it's an exactly an example of, of what true Catholicism, true Christian faith is all about, you know, and I was so happy that at this Sinai, which is really just a closed door session where no truth is permitted whatsoever, somebody, some little bit of flame of the faith still remained and that should be inspiration to all Catholics all over the place because what they have here is just a closing, dying process of masses and churches that are all dying and they keep bringing back the hammer all over Vatican II again and again. Father McTeague, who's been on the War Room, he, he was practically enraged this week talking about how they keep coming back to Vatican II again, pushing it again. It's just the same old, like rhinos, the same old failed policies that have been forced on the church. And we have a little bit of Cardinal Zen with Catholicism because it keeps popping up through the cracks again, as you can see, you're going to see later in the show with the people in that are more Catholic than Protestant in the United States, the young people, the people that are praying rosaries, even the, you know, the top pundits, conservative pundits in the world are holding up rosaries and getting slammed for it here and there.

[B]

We're digging down on that in a few moments. And I would like to spend, I would actually like to spend the rest of the show, Frank, talking with you about how the 68 generation in the Catholic Church that hijacked the church some 60 or so years ago, it's been running it into the ground, is still clinging on with its deathly clammy fingertips on. I'd like to. We don't have time. The one thing I do want to quickly ask you though, before we. We must go over to Jenny. The one thing I want to ask you because you mentioned this earlier and it's so right. Tradinc, our old friends, our old grifting friends, you know, don't forget to donate. They were pitching. Frank Walker. They were trying to inc. Was pitching like crazy. That. Just be patient. Don't criticize our holy Pope, Pope Leo. Don't criticize him, guys. Show some Catholic formation because at this consistory, he's clearly called this to liberalize, to re liberalize the illegitimately suppressed old Mass. So don't box him into a corner. Just give him the space. Give him the time. That wasn't a hoax, Frank Walker, that you were pushing out on canon 212 wasn't a hoax that we were pushing out here on War Room. Chris Jackson wasn't pushing out that hoax on Substack Tradinc. Don't forget to vote. Don't. Don't forget to donate, folks. Tradinc was definitely pushing that hoax out. Just give me 30 seconds on your takeaway of the fact that we called this right. We said as clearly as we could possibly be what to expect from this pontificate and not to expect, certainly not in January. I happen to think he is going to do something, you know, merely because he just wants to dampen down the opposition so he can obliterate traditionalism outright. Bergogli was so out of control. He actually did wonders for the traditionalist movement. I think Leo saw that. He's a son of the revolution, of the Bergoglian revolution. He wants to take this revolution further. Just tell him. Give me 30 seconds on what you saw taking place at this consistory and that Tradinc got it wrong yet again.

[C]

Well, the Latin Mass, they were telling us that Leo was going to liberalize the Latin Mass and be softer on it. But all they've done here in Cardinal Roche's intervention, which was only written down, is reassert Francis hatred of the Mass, that you can't go back, that Vatican II mandates it. And if you don't like this, you don't believe in the Council, which Tradinc will not admit that they don't believe in the council and it's, it's, it's absolutely full speed ahead 100%. The old push of Francis and there's no change to it whatsoever. And I think, I don't know Tradinck is going to be beating this horn anymore. I think it's beating this anymore. It's, I think it's. They're going to turn the corner and they're going to look at other things now. They're going to have to soften on the mass, not expect too much because you can see right here that all they're going to do is keep doing what they've done. And there's other areas where Leo is going to give them. It's not like they want any success. They just want something they can hang their hat on and pretend it's success. So that's what, that's what they're going to get from Leo. You're right. He is making some concessions and they're turning the corner on this. They're not going to be up and down about the old mass anymore for a while.

[B]

We're keeping our beady cynical eyes on this guy, folks. Don't worry about that. Let, okay, give me, give me a moment. Frank. We're going to come back to you later on the show. Just a quick shout out to one of our sponsors, Birch Gold. Let me be blunt. Gold is up 40% this year. That's not speculation, that's reality. And if a portion of your savings isn't diversified into gold, you're missing the boat. Here are the facts. Inflation is still too high, the US dollar is still too weak and the government debt is insurmountable. That's why central banks are flocking to gold and they're the ones driving these prices up to record highs. But it's not too late to buy gold from Birch Gold Group and get in the door. Now Birch Gold will help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA. In gold you don't pay a dime out of pocket. Plus from now until January 30, two weeks left of this deal when you complete a purchase with Birch Gold they'll send you a copy of the exclusive Patriots edition end of the Dollar Empire limited edition book for free. Go to birchgold.com stroke Bannon now to claim your eligibility. That's Birchgold or one word birchgold.com forward slash Bannon. Okay, Jenny, you've got a couple of stories that we're going to, to mention. I think we might need to run over the break with this because you have two very important things which really do illustrate, I think, the revival that is taking place in the West. Tell us about the Bible sales in the UK first and then we'll talk about Generation Z outnumbering Protestants in the us. Tell us about the Bibles.

[D]

Yeah, Bible sales in the UK are hugely up. The last year 60, sorry, 6.3 million Bibles were sold in 2025. That is up 134% since 2019. The religious segment of nonfiction publishing was also up by quite a bit in one year. 11% in 25 compared to 6% in 24. Gen Z, again, are leading the way. They are far more likely, or sorry, far less likely to identify as atheist than their parents. And I think this is really the key that, that unlocks this entire phenomenon. Gen Z are, and we'll see again in other stories we're going to cover, are in a very visible way rejecting the crass materialism, extreme promiscuity, excessive Internet culture of our time. They are moving away from it. Obviously not all of them, but there's a very influential segment that is doing just that, that is saying, enough with the sins of the world and they're turning to church. This is really, this is just a very interesting phenomenon and it corresponds somewhat with what I see among young men. Not necessarily that they're religious, but they are more socially conservative, which is a good start. And yeah, the piece also mentions that last year there was a study done by the Charity Tier Fund that, that replicated the same result that found the same results that in particular that at Christmas time something like 60% of young people were planning on attending church to honor the birth of Jesus. So again, this just fits in a lot of what we say every week. I'm always here to bear the good news. I'm delighted that I get to do that. They mentioned Charlie Kirk as well. And the assassination of Charlie Kirk as being a defining factor in the sort of how young people perceive the world is that they said that sales of bibles were up 34% in September 2025 following his death than they were in September 2024. So again, Charlie Kirk and his martyrdom, as you rightly call it, the secularity of the world, the sort of difficult to say disastrous financial realities that Gen Z are facing as well, are all named as factors turning young people towards God.

[B]

The first takeaways on this, and this is what we predicted right at the time, you know, as the world was watching open mouth at the martyrdom and the fallout of the martyrdom, the public martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. And we said that there was going to be a revival in the United States following that brutal act. And these are the figures now. These are absolutely the figures that you just cited that have just become available now. In that September there was a year on year increase of 36% which is a huge number. Tell me, if you wouldn't mind, Jenny, as a parent yourself, what do you think the dynamic is? You said a little bit about, about the rejection of the godless materialism of what I guess is our generation, right, Generation X, thereabouts. Tell us something a bit more though. It's, it's, this is. I'll tell you how I see this. You tell me if I've got it right. I see this as the standard youthful, the standard youth generation rebellion against the parents and their values fundamentally, you know, and whereas say gen generation X, our generation rebelled against our parents, notionally Christian, but zero fruits style of, of you know, cultural social affiliation to Christianity. Now we saw that. We saw that it was all basically a hoax, our generation, and we rejected that, you know, because basically who wants to, to rule that? Who wants to have their lives ruled by something whose adherents clearly don't believe it to be true? And yet our generation's children have seen the, the godless materialism that we've been following perhaps more coherently than our parents. But fundamentally it's, it's valueless and meaningless. And the next generation doing that youthful rebellion is rebelling against that. And you know. Yeah, and what they're doing is that they're finding Christ, which is superb. Give me your take on that as a parent. Have I got that right?

[D]

I, I think you have. I think they, that it's because young people, people in their late teens and young adulthood have far more direct and early experience of the downside of the godless materialism that you mentioned. I mean, obviously you and I grew up in a, in a very kind of prosperous, comfortable, physically comfortable world, but these kids have seen the downside of it and how hollow excessive materialism is in a way didn't because the options to them were so apparently endless and they understood how empty that actually made them feel and they sought out a replacement that was more enduring and that wasn't made of digital material and you know, attention economy. It was made of something more robust and accessible directly from your heart and mind. I mean, people, young people today have grown up with incredible, you know, in wealthy countries have grown up with incredibly high standards of living physically and materially but incredibly low standards of living intellectually, socially and spiritually. And, you know, I always think that there is this natural antenna that if sort of dusted off, will find its way to God, because that has been my experience. So it doesn't really surprise me that young people are doing this. The other thing that is driving them is the horrors of woke. And it's, you know, you and I, you know, we laugh at it and we condemn it and we see how crazy it is. But these young people were brought up, browbeaten by WOKE ideology and punished for if they couldn't, if they didn't abide by every single ridiculous false tenet of it. And that's been another factor.

[B]

Jenny, stand by. We're going to come back to you just after break. Continue on the theme talking about the predominance now, always with Generation Z of Catholicism rather than Protestantism in the United States.

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Welcome Back continuing with the theme of what we were just talking about before the break, this is something is definitely taking place, a revival is definitely taking place amongst Generation Z. I just want to cite, Jenny, a statistic on the Bible sales article which I think was pretty impressive. This is, I'm citing here that the Daily Mail and they're saying that 21% of young men, this is age 2018-24, were regular churchgoers versus only 12% of women and that's nearly double. This is something that we have been mentioning on the War Room. I think every Wednesday when we do this show, there is something going on with young guys in this cohort, this age cohort, a revival that is taking place there. And if you, if you look, if you're looking to see it, you will see those signs everywhere. Jenny, tell me about what's going on in Generation Z in the United States now. I hear that there's a development, a slight uptick or I should say basically it seems to me that the Catholics are holding steady whereas the mainline Protestants have actually declined, leading to something that has never taken place before in the United States. Tell us more.

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That's right. In the nation that was famously founded by Protestant refugees from the United kingdom, the among 18 to 24 year olds, Gen Zs now outnumber Catholic Gen Zs outnumber Protestant Gen Zs and The numbers aren't huge. 19% Protestant Gen Z. 19% of Gen Z identifies Protestant and 21% identify as Catholic. So the numbers aren't vast. But as the article is a pains to state, and I agree with it is a historic and unprecedented shift because of America, the United States longstanding association of, with sort of Anglican sort of mainline Protestant belief and Catholics really only started to play a role in the country in the 19th century with the arrival of immigrants from Europe and then later with many from Latin America. But it was always seen as very much the sort of secondary and sometimes the sort of weird and you know, don't go there religion among certainly elites. So interesting. And again, not surprising, the article sort of is quite polite and attributes this phenomenon to what they call fragmentation and maybe they're referring to the many different denominations and sort of proliferation of churches in Protestantism, but also internal polarization. And you know, I'm, I could be wrong, but I'm reading that as meaning that the Protestant churches, many of them, the big ones, went woke and got broke. I think now sort of, you know, everyone from sort of Unitarians, I think even the Presbyterians, I mean a lot of these big established churches are now forever indelibly associated with drag queens in church services and pride flags hanging from altars. St. John the Divine in on the Upper west side of Manhattan. Manhattan has the pride progress flag which includes all the different sort of trans and queer identities. That's a stain that cannot be washed away. That's a such a crisis. That's such a spiritual failing on that, on, on their part. They can't recover from that Italian, sorry the tides. Catholics on the other hand, whilst obviously full of their own problems, institutionally speaking, the Catholic, the perception of Catholicism and the practice of Catholicism, as we always say here is the laity. The practice has remained stable and family based.

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You're absolutely right. The correct theological, theological term for what you're describing there about the woke and the drag queens is scandalous. Right. It is putting an obstacle to belief in people's, in people's way. That that's what that is. It is an obstacle to belief. I can't close this segment, Jenny Holland, without coming back to your heckle at the beginning of this. The, the, the Brits who left our glorious sceptered isle. Isle to go over to America weren't refugees. They were pilgrims. Okay, terminology is important. Jenny. We'll be back later with you in the show to talk about your, your, your, your spiritual progress, as we say constantly. You are the, I wouldn't say you're the only atheist I know who prays the rosary every day. You're probably the only person I know who prays the rosary every day. You'll be telling us more about the spiritual fruits that you've got on the back of that. I don't know if you mentioned it, but I just want to repeat the thing again from the, from the study, the 2023 Cooperative Election Study, the CES study which is become available now. In fact, that is 21% of Generation Z adults identify as Catholic compared with 19% who just describe themselves as Protestant. Those are the figures. And I think it's basically the Catholics are sort of declining. In fact they had a very slight uptick by the way, actually. But it's basically holding steady and the mainline Protestants are peeling away. Let's go over to Germany now. Frank Walker. It's funny, isn't it? Talking about spiritual momentum, the land of the Protestant Reformation and Lutheranism. Lutheranism. What the sacrilege that was performed on Christmas Eve in Germany. Before you tell us more, we actually have some footage on this. I think the guys in Denver have that. If you wouldn't mind. Just playing that now. And then you'll tell us exactly the background, Frank, You know, I want to quote, build on this. I'm going to. I'm built. I'm going to quote the German magazine on this. They said that this was ard, which was the. The German network showing Christmas Mass with slime Jesus. They said it looked more like a breathing alien condemned to the spectacle as sick and twisted. And I could barely look at it. There's nothing wrong with a mother giving birth to a child that's still in. You know, you see. You know, still in the placenta. It's an act. It's a creative act of God. In fact, procreation is the act of humankind creating along with God. However, there is a question, Frank Walker, of appropriateness. And one has to ask what were. What were the Germans thinking about here in Stuttgart? Because this doesn't foster, I think, reverence on Christmas Eve. It doesn't foster thoughts towards what's this great gratuitous gift that God, Father Almighty, has given to mankind in his Son, he himself, the divine being coming down. It's. It is, I think, built, got it right. It's sick and twisted. What was your take on this?

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Well, it doesn't give you the Christmas spirit, does it, to see that all. It looks like a blob of flesh to me.

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They weren't clear, really, on what it's supposed to be. They said that there's a. There's an actress in there, deep breathing. I don't think babies in the placenta breathe. I think that's what they're. They're assuming that's what it is because it's. Because it's supposed to be a baby, that it's a baby inside, not the placenta, but inside the amniotic sac. But babies aren't born that way. Anyway, the outrage from the community is right. And this was at a Catholic Broadcasting network at their Christmas service. And they said that they even sort of abridged the Christmas service so that they can have this. And the priest who is responsible for this, he defended it. He said. He said it showed a human being lying there miserable, naked and exposed.

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You know, it's like in Germany, they seem to have all of these horrible, offensive things, and they blame it on art. And the way, you know that it's art is they say something like that. You know, he said this is how radically God becomes human. Close to untouchable, without distance and real. That's what they said about it. And the. Even they had Representatives even from the, the Christian Democrats, the rhinos of Germany, said that it was disgusting. People that, that responded in to it directly. The regular watchers, they called it woke. I don't know what's supposedly, supposedly woke about it. You know, it really is, to me, it's more satanic actually then woke.

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Let me put it this way, Let me put it this way. Even giving the Stuttgart diocese the benefit of the doubt here, right? It would seem that they're lacking prudence and counsel, counsel being one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, prudence being one of the cardinal virtues. Right. The very best. They seem to be lacking those two particular graces. And what does that tell you about the, the hierarchy, the German hierarchy, that, that is a manifestly lacking both prudence and counsel. Now I think it was absolutely astonishing, Frank, really astonishing. Not surprising, but this just shows you how the decline takes place when people, when our, when our pastors, our bishops, our shepherds are lacking in supernatural faith. If you're lacking in supernatural faith, you're going to be lacking in the supernatural graces as well. Right?

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The bishop defended it too. And they're not going to do anything about it either. So, you know, it isn't just the German hierarchy. I don't understand what it is about Germany, but we're all supposed to tolerate this stuff from them. This should be handled from a Leo on down. This is a mockery. That's what this is. And there's not any more effective method of moving people than mockery. It's very effective and it shows you that the priest and the bishop and the entire church approves of this. I think this is a Satanism. This is what Satanism is. It's making mockery of God and the things of God and who God is. And the fact that they defend this at all and it's permitted shows you what we need to remember every day, who they really are. Just like Cardinal Kissy Fernandez talking to all the cardinals about how you should reevaluate their sermons, make sure there's not too much doctrine in them. They're all the same guy. They mock, they mock Christ, they hate Christ. They're just revealing themselves in this.

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Here it is. It is. Yeah, that's. That is, that is exactly, exactly what they're doing. Frank, standby. I desperately want to get to Jenny now to discuss her spiritual journey. Before we do that, I just, I give a shout out in the first half of the show. I'm going to quickly do so again to Birch Gold. As I said before, from now until January 30th, folks. So you've got a two week Runway left. When you complete your purchase with Birch Gold, they will send you a free copy of the exclusive Patriots edition End of the Dollar Empire, which is the limited edition book. And they're going to do that. They'll send that to you for free. Go to birchgold.com forward stroke Bannon now to claim your eligibility. That's birchgold.com forward stroker Bannon now. Jenny Holland, since you first came on the show, when we started doing the Wednesday format, you said that you are an atheist. I don't know, I think you might be moving towards agnosticism. I'm not quite sure. But you said that in your words, an atheist who prays the rosary every day. What I didn't realize Jenny Holland was literally that was a proper regiment of praying the rosary every day. And compliment, you know, compliment to you. Tell us a little bit then. And you've written this in substack, folks. And very strongly I read it. Very powerful witness. Actually go to Jenny's substack where, where she says the consequence, how she came about it. We, we only got like five minutes here. But there are a couple of things, the takeaways in your substack, seeing as you did this and I, you know, I was praying the rosary every day at the time of my conversion some 20, 25 years ago. And it's a discipline I sadly lost. But I remember the spiritual graces from that time. I think some of the important takeaways here in your article is that how you set about doing it because you said that you didn't set out at the beginning to achieve a year long stretch. Basically you did it for a day that sort of rolled into a week and you saw how that went. That rolled into a month still without intending to do it for the whole year. But marking it away on, on your little app. And then the sort of the habit, the discipline became the habit and you stuck with it. Tell us a bit about that then, please.

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Yeah. So Sunday was the 365th consecutive day that I prayed the rosary. And actually this is the perfect place to discuss it because as I say in my article, the seed of my rosary habit was planted on Steve Bannon's war room right here on this very show quite a few years ago, I want to say maybe 2021 or 2022, when he did a whole extended segment on the power of prayer. And I was very sort of taken aback by this because I love Steve's show for his Sort of biting analysis and his rail politic and his very sort of like of the world motivation and insight and hearing him and others, his guests talk about prayer as a real world thing that actually made material difference in the world. Communal prayers, sending up prayers. And specifically mentioning the rosary. He also had a rabbi on. I mean, it was really interesting show, but specifically mentioning the rosary, it just opened a door of possibility in my mind. It took a few years to fully germinate, but as I started intermittently praying in 2024. Yeah, just this time last year, I just started doing it every day without any specific goal in mind. And it became something that I looked forward to. It became something that I sort of relied upon. I found that it made my mood better. If I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, I would pray the rosary and I would be a lot more cheerful and gracious to my husband and to people around me. I found that, yeah, it just, it just produced a peacefulness and a stability within me that became stronger and stronger as the year wore on.

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Jenny? Yeah, I mean that, that was, that's my experience as well. You also say something here so much in here that I like to share. You know, we're gonna have. We'll come back to this. And this is too. There's two profound things that you said here to, to squeeze in to the, the final moments of the show, but there is one thing that you said here and I, and I think it's, it's. It's worthy sharing with the posse and that's it. You said, I tried not to let perfection be the enemy of the good when making progress in, in one's prayer life, one's interior life. That is so profound. And it's absolutely true, of course, but just put that again. I know that that is your own words, but add a little bit, if you wouldn't mind, to that particular insight.

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Yeah. It's not just prayer life, it's life in general. I think anything you do, you have to adopt that as a mantra. Don't let the, don't let perfection be the enemy of the good. Otherwise you'll be paralyzed and will never get anything done. Look, I came into this, you know, I was calling myself an atheist at the beginning of this. I can't honestly call myself an atheist anymore. So I'm going to lose that branding, I'm afraid, Ben. But, you know, I had some sort of trepidation in a way that like, was I being an imposter? Was I sort of doing it for some sort of clout or something. I don't know. I felt slightly awkward about it, but I thought, well, who, who cares? Who's looking at me? You know, I'm just going to keep doing it. And there was definitely mornings when I was rushing through it and thinking about other things or maybe even washing the dishes or something. And again, I just kept doing it. I just kept on doing it and I kept on doing it and I kept on doing it. Another thing that I found very, very helpful was the sort of the meditation on detachment of things from the world. That is my favorite one, because a couple, for a couple of reasons, obviously, we all have problems. You know, 2025 was a year of sort of personal crisis for me and in a couple of different ways. And I didn't make it worse. And the reason I didn't make it worse was because I had that sense of detachment. Let God take care of it. And you know, limiting myself and my restlessness and my yearning and these are very, very, very, very, very valuable tools. It's also a very valuable meditation when you're in this business, when you are delivering sort of hot takes and you looking at sort of the, the, the Internet landscape and the attention economy. And it's a very good guidepost to be reminded of all the time that let God guide you and not the attention economy, essentially.

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That's beautiful, Jenny. Thanks for your test testimony on that. We'll come back to it. I'm sorry that we're going to lose the, the slogan of the atheist who prays the rosary every day, but it's all for the best. I think it's for a very worthy exchange. I mentioned your substack very quickly. Where do people go to read that writing in particular and the rest of your output?

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It's jennyeholland.substack.com I have a new YouTube channel as well, which is saving culture from itself. And I have new videos up there every week, including that one with you Bet. From a few weeks ago.

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