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WarRoom Battleground EP 929: Islamic Law Promoted In The US; Closing Loopholes In Texas
WarRoom Battleground EP 929: Islamic Law Promoted In The US; Closing Loopholes In Texas ...
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Raymond Ibrahim
Foreign.
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Steve Bannon
Islamic Jihadis are plotting against you.
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Stephen K. Bannon (Host)
Why in the hell you think they're in Houston and the north of Dallas?
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They are working together to overthrow Western.
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Joanne Fleming
Civilization, Sharia compounds which are areas governed by religious rules.
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Stephen K. Bannon (Host)
We know who you are, we know what you are and we know what you're trying to accomplish.
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Steve Bannon
And it is not going to happen.
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Stephen K. Bannon (Host)
In the jewel of the crown of the union of this republic, we purge.
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Raymond Ibrahim
Any attempt to impose Sharia law in Texas.
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Steve Bannon
They are not coming. They are already here.
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Stephen K. Bannon (Host)
You are not here properly and you're going to leave. On 3 March, Sharia law goes on.
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Steve Bannon
The ballot in the state of Texas. The United States Constitution and Sharia are fundamentally at odds with one another.
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Stephen K. Bannon (Host)
We're going to tell them, take your Sharia law and shove it.
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Joanne Fleming
Islam will never dominate the United States.
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Steve Bannon
And by the grace of God, it.
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Joanne Fleming
Will not dominate Texas.
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Stephen K. Bannon (Host)
As Texas goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world. Are you prepared to fight for this state? Are you prepared to fight for your country?
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Raymond Ibrahim
War Room Texas. Your host, Stephen K. Bannon starts right now.
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Steve Bannon
It's Monday the 19th of January in the year of our Lord 2026. Welcome to War Room Texas. We're going to go from Bud Pest to the heart of Texas. Joanne Fleming joins us. She's the head of Grassroots America, we the People, a grassroots organization very focused on this three March primary where on the ballot is Proposition 10 to ban Sharia law from the state of Texas as an opening, an opening salvo on stopping the Islamic invasion of Texas. Also, Raymond Ibrahim, one of the world's leading experts on all things radical Islam and the Islamic invasion and takeover of Europe, joins us from Budapest. Raymond, thank you so much for joining us. You're also, besides being a best selling author and one of the most beloved guests on the War Room over the years as you've put out three books since you've been joining us about Islamic invasions. You're also a fellow is it at the Danube Institute in Budapest, sir?
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Raymond Ibrahim
Yes, I am, Steve. For this year I've, I'm visiting fellow at the Danube Institute. Great place and a lot of resources to work with.
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Steve Bannon
So you know, why is Hungary have an institute that has Raymond Ibrahim as a senior fellow for a year and why is it appropriate to have you on at least once a week in War Room Texas about Sharia law and the invasion and particularly the governor in our state got in front of the president and in front of Governor DeSantis in Florida and he designated the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. In fact, he designated him an international terrorist organization that's going to be investigated and driven out of Texas along with Care your thoughts about all that, sir? Particularly about these Islamic invasions.
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Raymond Ibrahim
It's just Islam is growing and they can't keep the cat in the bag anymore. They've done when the Muslim population and the Muslim presence in the west was small and it was still doing what it was doing. Of course they played cover for it and Islamophobia and multiculturalism and diversity, etc. Etc. But in as much as Islam grows and obviously here in Europe, it's, it's, it's where it's reached critical mass, it becomes too hard for them to cover up. So it's become really an issue and people are starting to see it everywhere from the uk, all throughout the Scandinavias and Germany and France and wherever you're getting these large Muslim populations, you're seeing what's, what comes along with them, which is we can say Sharia because, and by the way, that word, you know, gets thrown around a lot. I think it's important for people to understand its etymology and its meaning and in its origin. As with so many Islamic words, Arabic words, they really go back to sort of 7th century Bedouin tribalism from the time of Muhammad and all the, the trilateral roots of the word Sharia. Shara means watering spot for your camel. Okay, so you're in the desert, where is life? So Sharia is the road to life, okay? It's where you get water in these extremely desiccated and parched regions. So it's understood as life. So what does that mean? It means Allah's way for it to have you live your life and to live the proper life, which is just all these rules and laws as found in the Quran and as in the Sunnah enshrined in the Sunnah based on the Hadith, the words of sayings of Muhammad. And in short, this is why I find it interesting because I hear some people acting like Islam is its own thing and Muslims. And then Sharia is another thing. As if to be a Muslim is not to practice Sharia. But, well, saying, saying a Muslim does not necessarily have to practice Sharia is like saying a Muslim doesn't have to believe in the Quran or follow the Quran. So they are intertwined, they're really one and the same in many ways. Islam is Sharia and vice versa. You can say that. So of course every Muslim, when they come. This is why I also find it interesting in some of the laws that I'm Seeing proposed, they're against Sharia, which is good. All well and good, but in a sense, if they understood the deeper context, the way I'm trying to explain it. Well, you're really saying you're against Islam. And so it's kind of interesting because Muslims are allowed to migrate to Western nations in the United States, but they have to leave Sharia at home, which is fine. I mean, if you do that. But the fact is, if you're a Muslim in and of yourself, that means you've submitted to the law of Allah, the law of life, which is Sharia. So anyway, I think Islam is becoming a huge issue and it's spilling over, especially with what's happening in Texas, that epic city which is now, I think, called the Meadows. And, and we should, at some point. I'll take a break right here and let you talk. But we should talk about the concept of El Rabat, because this is exactly what these are. These enclaves are historical robots which were essentially jihadist fortifications intentionally placed right on the frontier of infidel territory.
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Steve Bannon
I want to get to that in a moment. Let me go back to the argument for I bring Joanne and also the argument that, hey, you've got freedom of religion in the United States. They don't make this argument in Europe anymore. Essentially, they used to make a lot. You can't, you couldn't do anything with the Muslims because you're imposing on their religion. But now that they've got critical mass, or they're beginning to get critical mass in France and in the Netherlands and in the United Kingdom, you don't hear that argument anymore. I mean, they're beyond that. They're brazen in what they propose, the imposition of Sharia law and how they're going to just, they have no go zones, they're just going to run it, the police, the town council, all of it. But what about this argument that you've seen thrown up? Well, it's just a religion. And if you're going to let Christianity, you're going to help Christianity flourish, you can't suppress Islam. Your thoughts to that?
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Raymond Ibrahim
Christianity can flourish without us necessarily doing anything active. Just let Christians preach. Let them live their lives. But Islam is codified with rules, the active rules that you have to do. Okay, so we know. So, for example, things like prayer, prayer and fasting, you know, the five pillars of Islam, those are Sharia. But there's other things as well, which is, for example, killing the apostate. Okay, so Christians don't do that. That's why you Can Christianity can flourish side by side with what is perceived as secular governance whereas a true Sharia, true Islam cannot? Same thing with the blasphemy laws. And this I think is something that Islam and the so called left actually have in common with each other because they both do believe in you squashing free speech about anything they don't like. And that's exactly what Islam's blasphemy laws are. So maybe the left is fine with that to that sense. But as you can see, in a strictly true free country, a free democracy with freedom of speech, you can't have something like blasphemy codes even though it is completely enshrined in Islam. And then you also have, okay, Christianity is, is a monogamous by nature and that's sort of what we have right now. Well, if you allow Islam now you have polygamy up to four wives and also concubines, infidels who are enslaved and your right hand possesses according to the Quran. So I think that's the problem. Christianity can flourish and still walk side by side with the law, whereas Islam, because it is its own law, okay, secular Western law developed side by side with Christianity. So the two are very much synchronized in a sense, or at least they were in, in their founding and origin. But Islam is very alien, hostile, different creed. And as I just mentioned to you, just a few of the things that are completely honor killings for example, they're not in Sharia law, but of course they're part of the culture as well. So you get a lot of this baggage that I don't think it's, it's completely comparing apples and oranges when people say Christianity and Islam, it's the same thing.
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Steve Bannon
When they, when they, when Muslims take, become citizens and swear allegiance to the United States and to the Constitution. Can they actually do that? I know it's a concept in Islam that you can, you can lie to the infidel and there's not a problem as long as you're promoting Islam. But can a, a Muslim actually take to become a citizen of the United States? Can they actually swear allegiance to the Constitution and to our republic and actually be a Muslim in good standing?
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Raymond Ibrahim
Yes, they can do it. But just like you said, they can do it as a part of Takega, which means, okay, the, the original teaching, the original law is you have to actually have always hatred for non Muslims. This is in the Quran 64 chapter Surah 60 and Aya 4 which, where it talks about Ibrahim Abraham and how he's a good example to Every Muslim, because he said to his people, we hate and renounce you and enmity will last forever until you believe in Allah. Okay? So that's the standing principle. If you're a non Muslim, you are to be disliked and hated. Okay? And just to really underscore this, our good friends and allies, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, many years ago, I found on their websites, or official governmental websites, because in those nations, of course, Sharia and the government are one in the same. They're sponsored by the government. They actually had fetwas talking about how you have to hate Americans or, or, and every, any, everyone. But they also spoke about Americans because they're infidels. And this is the doctrine. It's known as loyalty and enmity, or in Arabic. But again, to give you an idea, but at the same time, Saudi Arabia comes and dances with US Presidents and European leaders and dances with their swords and kiss each other. So how do they reconcile that as well? And also, you cannot, you cannot pledge allegiance to an infidel willingly unless you do it as a lie. And this again is Takeya. So if you do it to preserve your life or as a stratagem, then that is legitimate. Muhammad himself did this. So strictly speaking, when a Muslim comes and pledges allegiance to America, okay, that is completely un Islamic, but it is Islamic for him to do it as a ruse or, or as a, or, or if he feigns, if he feigns loyalty, and he does it in the context of, of Takeya, that is 100 legitimate. So on the one hand, Muslims are commanded not to befriend and not to associate and certainly not to be loyal to non Muslims. But on the other hand, there is this little caveat where. And it's played out. All this is one of the major reasons behind the Inquisition. For example, in Spain, because Muslims had converted nominally, but they were still working with jihadist groups like the Ottomans and the Barbary Pirates subvert Spain. So this has happened multiple times. And yeah, I mean, of course a Muslim can tell me, hey, I pledged allegiance to America and I believe it, but good for him. But that does not accord with strict Islamic teaching, which does say, you cannot. I can pull up the Quran verse, I think it's 3:28, which says, you cannot be loyal. And it names, you know, the non Muslims. And another one it says, and you have to hate the Christians and the Jews and you cannot be loyal to them. And then it says, unless it's by way of precaution, which is the, which is the concept of Takea. Which is you're basically lying because it's in your own benefit.
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Steve Bannon
They've come in. They come into these societies on cat's paws, right? They come in at first, but then they reach your critical mass. You just can't hide it. That's what's happening in Texas. That's why people are trying to get ahead of this. The governor has designated the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR as international terrorist organization. He said there's been massive investigations going on even as we speak by the authorities in Texas to get to the bottom of all this, particularly what they've been doing in Texas. But they have been building, if there's two mosques per month, I think in North Texas, 301 mosque overall. The majority of those, I believe in the greater Houston area and in Dallas, Fort Worth Metroplex, and particularly north of Dallas. But you talked about, this is a concept they've used before. Talk to me about, like Epic City are now called the Meadows. They look at these as garrisons on the, on the frontier of the infidels to ultimately look at taking over their societies and converting. Converting people to Islam.
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Raymond Ibrahim
Yeah. So historically, what happened is wherever Muslim jihadists would conquer non Muslim territories, which were a great amount, as we know, of course, all of the Christian North Africa and the Middle east were conquered in the seventh century. Wherever they were stopped by non Muslims, there they would form garrisons and fortifications. In Arabic, it's known as Rabat. And it comes from a word which means like a tight fastening or a rope. And it's also in the Quran it says form a Rabat to become successful. And basically it would just be a front. They would become front. They would be jihadist par excellence, and they would be right on the frontier zones. And there were multiple frontier zones historically in Asia Minor and Anatolia in the north and south, in the middle of Spain, because north Spain was primarily Christian at that point, and in the south. And this was. Would be an area of constant warfare. Okay, so what's happening now? The parallel is now Muslims are not forming these fortifications wherever infidels stop them. Infidels are welcoming them in right in the middle of their societies, and they're building organically. This is why I say it's not even that they're consciously trying to. To build a rabbit. It's just when I see it, it's an organic manifestation of the Rabat concept because it's primarily Muslim. It's an enclave. It's a hotbed of radicalization. You see this in Europe, you're going to see it in, in Texas, especially if these things come to pass and the growth that you see. And it's also, it's where, you know, in and of itself, when you think about it, when any, any people does this, Muslims or otherwise, when they come to a country like the United States and the first thing they want to do is just set up shop away from everyone else. So it's just their own thing that, that itself to me, I mean, everyone has to understand and understand what this is. It's just these are opportunistic people at the least who are saying, we want all the good stuff your country has to offer, but we want nothing to do with you. Which again goes back to the Islamic principle that I was telling you. Loyalty and enmity, hatred for the non Muslim, staying away from them, being clean of them. Okay? So in and of itself, even if one didn't want to appreciate what I'm talking about, the deeper doctrinal histor dimensions to this, just the fact that people come and they say we want to be separate with our own exact, our own religion in and of itself should raise question marks. And this is all really, by the way, interconnected with things like the Somalis in Minnesota. You know, these groups come here simply so they can exploit and take, but they want nothing to do with the whole society. They certainly don't want to assimilate, okay? And so even, even in that act, in that very aspect itself, I think things are very obvious of what's happening. But it's good Texas, and you are spearheading this movement because this is very important, to nip it in the bud. And you know, one of the problems right now that Europe is going to face is facing no matter what it does, is they can stop all immigration tomorrow. They can say no more, not a single one. But they're stuck because they now have many millions of Muslims living, all of them concentrated in robots or in enclaves. And these are now problems that they have to live with. Even though a place like Hungary, where I'm, where I'm at currently, you know, nipped it in the bud. They said, no, we don't want it and they don't have it. And I can walk out in the street and I see people walking without fear, the way they are, for example, in Europe. So hopefully America also learns from this model and nips it in the bud.
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Steve Bannon
That's what this show is about. Peter McElveen, who's one of the top experts in the United Kingdom and a guy that refers to you all the time, actually Came to Texas for a couple of weeks, I think, before the holidays, and then came back. He was at our conference. He's got a warning to Texans. He says, hey, look, let me tell you something. In, in the same kind of time of development, the. The Islamic invasion of Texas is much farther advanced than when it started in England. He says they've learned a lot, like halal food. They've created these businesses. They're working together to. To not just create the business to hire people. They've got school choice in Texas which is paying for these Muslim schools. He says people in Texas got to understand this is farther advanced than it was when it started in England and much more sophisticated. Your thoughts, sir?
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Raymond Ibrahim
Absolutely. And let's never lose sight of the fact that all these organizations are connected one way or another, like CARE and, and the others are all connected to the Muslim Brotherhood, which has rightly been denounced as a terrorist organization, at least in Texas, because they have written documents that were captured by the FBI, which we still have, which spel exactly what we're talking about and how that is their master plan and their blueprint. They literally say we are in the. In. In the west, in the United States, in this case, to sabotage their miserable house. I'm literally quoting it through a civilizational jihad, which means not through violence, not through the classical jihad, because that's not even necessary, nor is it possible. Muslims are not going to conquer America by violence. But we have all these civilizational routes open to us, including through Dawah, including through creeping Sharia, which is what's happening, including through creating these enclaves and proselytization and all sorts of things. So it's important to know that these groups, we already know what they're doing. We have their documentation, we have their blueprint, because they are all born of the Muslim Brotherhood. And the Muslim Brotherhood has said this. And when you look at their actions, that is what they are doing. So it's. There's no mystery involved and it's. It's high time for people to actually be cognizant now than later, or you're going to end up like Europe, and that's not a good place to be.
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Steve Bannon
Raymond, hang on for one second. I want to bring Joanne Fleming in from Grassroots America. Joanne, are you're one of the grassroots leaders in the state of Texas? Are folks in Texas starting to awaken both the political elite, the business community, but also average working men and women in Texas? Are they awakening to what actually is going on in Texas about this Islamic invasion?
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Joanne Fleming
Oh, yes, they are, I don't know about the business community. You know, they sort of, some of them live in a different universe than the rest of us. But yes, absolutely. Because as I'm interviewing candidates for the March Republican primary ballot, they tell me that as they're going door to door, block walking, that this has become the number one issue over many parts of Texas. So I believe that the average Joe and Jane Texan get it. They understand that we're under attack. They're very informed. And so, you know, I'm seeing people really wake up, Steve, and we intend to take advantage of that. And I have to say the number one thing we must do is to call on Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick and Speaker Burrows to codify what Governor Abbott has done, calling Muslim Brotherhood and CARE as international terrorist organizations. But they have to go further than that because we know that they will simply morph into something else. They will have a different name. So we need them to start holding the interim hearings and move us along toward a solution to this problem. Because right now we don't see any interest in it above Governor Abbott. We don't. I haven't seen Lieutenant Governor Patrick talk about it, nor Burrows. And we need to move along to codify this legislatively. The other thing we've got to do is stop the money. I mean, $13 million has already gone to mosque and to these community organizations for Islamists, and we need to stop that money. Anything that hasn't already been sent out needs to be stopped immediately. And we've got to close the loopholes. There's a statutory exemption that allows Epic, Epic City to continue. And we need to, we need to go back and close that loophole.
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Steve Bannon
I just want to go back before we go to break. You're saying you're interviewing candidates now for support on the, on the March primary ballot, and you're telling the audience in the whole state of Texas, this obviously goes internationally. It's got a big international audience already. They're reporting back to you when they go door to door, knocking on doors, trying to get people to support them. The number one issue that people want to talk about when Face to Face is about this Islamic invasion of Texas. Am I hearing you correctly?
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Raymond Ibrahim
Yes.
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Joanne Fleming
In certain part in certain parts of Texas. You've got this is the number one issue, followed by property taxes and the border security issue. They believe President Trump has solved that problem. And I'm concerned about a post Trump America. So I'm not sold that we've got that finished and tied up. But I will tell you that Candidates, when I ask them, and I don't lead the witness, I just say, what are the top three issues people are talking to you about at the door? And they consistently, all over the state of Texas are identifying this as an issue.
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Steve Bannon
What does that tell you? You're, you've got a long history in the grassroots movement. You've got a real finger on the pulse for really drives Texas politics. What does that take? Because if five years ago you wouldn't have heard that. I mean, what does that tell you about. And particularly people want to do it, hey, because they're afraid to do it, maybe in a more of a community setting, etc. But when they got somebody one on one, they'll open up about it. What does that tell you as someone has had your finger on the pulse of Texas politics for many decades?
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Joanne Fleming
Well, Texas conservatives are very informed. They know where to get their news, Steve War room being one of them. And they know where to get their news. And look, let me tell you, the grassroots have always been ahead of the political class in Texas as identifying problems. We were talking about the wide open border way before anybody thought it was sexy enough in Austin to talk about, in fact, President Trump. We were talking about banning sanctuary Cities back in 2012 and 2014. And it took Donald J. Trump to make it a sexy enough issue for Austin to care anything about. So the grassroots are always ahead of the politicians. And so we simply have to start raising the alarms to the elected officials and tell them you need to convene in Austin. You need to convene in interim hearings across the state of Texas, hear from the people and the people will tell you that they want you to take action and you need to take action now. We cannot wait. This is the number one issue, Steve, because Texas is the crown jewel of the Islamic movement.
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Steve Bannon
You think it's that targeted. You think that they understand if they take down Texas, they can take down America? If you take down America, you take the world, ma'. Am.
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Joanne Fleming
Yes, I do. Yes, I do. And, and I, you know. Yes.
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Steve Bannon
No, go ahead, keep going.
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Joanne Fleming
No, I'm just. We have for the longest time availed ourselves of, of people that I believe are subject matter experts. I mean, Frank Gaffney, we have a couple of Muslim former Muslims who became Christians who are now pastors who are sounding the alarm and they are teaching how deceptive Islam is when it comes into a community. I think at our pre conference meeting I mentioned the fact that I was one of the only elected officials. I think the last 25 years here locally that refused to participate in a Ramadan celebration at a mosque. Now that's controversial when you've got local elected officials who want to kiss up to everybody. So we're telling our grassroots folks in the MAGA movement that they need to start contacting their local elected officials and say, stop doing that. You gotta put Texans first and you cannot be consorting with the enemy.
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Steve Bannon
Joanne Hanger, for one second, I'm gonna hold you through break. Joanne Flemings with US Grassroots America, we the People, one of the largest grassroots organizations in the state of Texas and the United States of America. And of course, one of the greatest experts living experts on all things radical Islam. That would be Raymond and Ibrahim, who joins us from Budapest, Hungary. Short break, back in a moment.
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Raymond Ibrahim
Foreign.
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Stephen K. Bannon (Host)
As Texas goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world. Are you prepared to fight for this state? Are you prepared to fight for your country?
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Steve Bannon
Thank you. Welcome back to War Room Texas. Want to thank our sponsor Patriot Mobile. 972 Patriot. As the company says, you call that number you'll talk to what is a hillbilly with the East Texas accent, a United States citizen. Not simply the best mobile phone service out there, but a company that supports your value. Christian company, supports Christian values and they support, you know, first responders, veterans, all of it. Glenn Story and the team and of course, Glenn Story and his wife Jenny were instrumental in pulling together this amazing conference we had a couple weeks ago. Geert Wilders from the Netherlands, an individual that warned his country, warned Europe about this invasion decades ago and now is one of the leading political figures. In fact, he keeps winning in Netherlands, but they'd only put together a coalition because he wants mass deportations of Muslims in his own country. And we had the great Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck was absolutely amazing. In fact, Glenn Beck was On this problem 10 or 15 years ago, still wrote one of the best books on Islamic invasion ever written. So if you go to Amazon, I think it's Islam is the problem. It's an incredible book. Glenn Beck was there. I said a few, I gave a few appropriate remarks. Grant Stitchfield, Etc. 972 Patriot. Go check it out today. So, Joanne, you're talking about hearings. You know, Brian Harrison sent these letters. He's talking about hearings first. Then I take it you want a special session. You're saying this has got to be codified. We have to take Governor Abbott's decoration of calling. And look, I've been someone that's not been Governor Abbott's best ally ever. I've been kind of opposed to a lot he's done. But I give a hat tip that he did come out in front of the president, United States and head of Governor DeSantis, who I know is very worried about the same topic. He designated him a terrorist organization and he threw in care, which I think is very important. He says there's investigations going on. They're going to put more meat on the bone on that. But you're saying, hey, we got a legislature that's famous. Let's get on with it. Hearings first. Hear from citizens, hear from experts, then call a special session and let's codify it. It is that basically your plan? Is that what you recommend happen? Go ahead.
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Joanne Fleming
Yes, absolutely, Steve, because I, I've got to tell you this. Let the legislature over the last 23, 24 years is infamous for passing every exit on a dangerous highway and doing nothing. You know, talking a lot about it and getting nothing done. I'm going to tell you, since Governor Abbott decided to drive a stake in the ground on this, we absolutely need to have a sense of urgency from the lieutenant governor, a Republican, and the Republican House Speaker, Mr. Burroughs, to get something done. They need to codify this. They need to come in and support Governor Abbott on this for the good of Texas. Well, look, we've got to save Texas because if we don't save Texas, we aren't saving the United States. And, yeah, this is going to be a big battle. It's going to be a brutal battle, and it may be dangerous. But you know what, Steve? You gotta love Texas more. And we do. And so that's why I say we're going to ask them to close the loopholes that they left for Epic City. We want them to stop the money going to the mosque and to these Islamist communities in Texas. We want the local elected officials to stop funding them. And we want to codify, you know, this designation that Governor Abbott has done and include language in it, for crying out loud, that will cover it if they morph into something else and change their names. We want to make sure that we've got everything covered.
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Steve Bannon
Joanne, One of the things we're doing, obviously a lot of people are doing research now. They're getting into the state, what's published on state websites. People are looking at some of the money and we're trying to get. We're trying to get our arms around it. But it looks like you may have a situation here almost as bad as what they got in Minnesota with the Somalians. But what I don't understand is why is the lieutenant governor, your lieutenant governor, who's supposed to be a conservative, has been the biggest pusher of these schools like Harmony Etc, which are basically Islamic schools. This one driven by a quite dangerous, I would say, you know, cult tied to a Turk who had exile here in the United States away from Erdogan, but was a pretty militant brand of Islam. Why has the lieutenant governor of the state been such a driver, not just in the school choice program, but to make sure that you could actually start these Islamic schools, Ma'. Am?
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Joanne Fleming
I don't know, Steve. I haven't talked to Dan about it, but he is sadly misinformed and in a dangerous way. I will tell you that as we are talking to state Board of Education candidates. The State Board of Education approves the charters for charter schools. And so we're questioning them on this topic to ask them if they have any idea of what kind of a threat this is to us because in those schools they teach hatred of America and the United States Constitution. Look, this is not a religious liberty issue. This is about an ideology, a push toward a form of law that completely subverts the United States Constitution. We cannot have it. Just as Congressman Self said, they are diametrically opposed. They cannot coexist. These two forms of law cannot coexist in the state, in the United States, and certainly not in the state of Texas.
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Steve Bannon
Joanne, you're leading an effort to make sure that everything comes together on primary day on 3 March, including a massive push to pass as high as possible percentage of vote Proposition 10, which is really about banning Sharia law in Texas. Where do people go to find out more about the grassroots efforts you're leading and the details of what you're saying about this Islamic invasion and how we have to really stop it, start to stop it on March 3rd, on this primary day, Ma'. Am.
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Joanne Fleming
Grassroots America, we the people dot com. That's G A W T P dot com. And before the end of this week, we will have launched this effort. And we want people to know that at your precinct level, at your county level, at your Senate district level, we're asking all of our coalition leaders, we have a statewide coalition, we're asking them all to activate their local groups to get people out to vote on this issue. It is not. You're not creating law. It's not like it's a constitutional amendment, but you are sending a very strong message to elected officials that you've had enough of it and you want them to put Texas first.
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Steve Bannon
Joanne, social media. Do you. Have you got a website you go to? Do you have social media people can track you?
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Joanne Fleming
Yes. gawtp.g a w T P. Yes, sir.
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Steve Bannon
Ma', am. As long. As long as Texas has folks like you that are tough as boot leather, things are going to turn out fine. Honored to have you on here. Honored to be working with you on this topic.
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Joanne Fleming
That's what you get with, with conservative Texas women. Steve. Tough.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you, ma'.
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Joanne Fleming
Am.
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Raymond Ibrahim
Thank God.
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Steve Bannon
Thank God in heaven we got them. Thank you, ma'.
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Raymond Ibrahim
Am.
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Steve Bannon
Raymond, we're going to have you on a lot because you're, I think, one of the best educators of people in the world. You're a. You're come from a long line of Coptic Christians, correct?
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Raymond Ibrahim
Yeah, Coptic Christians. And those are the indigenous inhabitants of Egypt who are, of course, all Christian. And the very word Coptic actually comes from the same word of Egyptian. You know, Egypt gipped became copped. So when the Arabs entered and conquered Egypt, they just dropped the first and last syllable and called them the gifts, and we became known as the cops. So, yeah, It's a. It's an ethnic, but it's also a religious designation, and they're the descendants of the pharaohs. Actually. I like to remind people that even the Coptic language, which still exists in the liturgy, is the direct descendants of the pharaonic language, which has nothing to do with Arabic, of course, even though Arabic is today the primary language of Egypt. It's. Yeah, it's. It's the Coptic language. So, yeah, we know a lot about Islam. We're about one of the earliest groups of people who encountered the jihadist sword. Like I said, right around 640. This would only be eight years after Muhammad's death and about 70 years before Islam reached the, you know, France in the Battle of Tours. And, you know, you fast forward to now literally 14 centuries, and they're still the number one people who tend to be maybe other than maybe Christians in Nigeria and in other sub Saharan nations, the cops and the other indigenous Christians, like the Assyrians in. In Iraq and Syria.
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Steve Bannon
But hang on, I want to go back if we can put up the covers of his books, because, folks, I strongly recommend you get all three books in regards to this. You'll see the history of this invasion not just in the west, but throughout the entire world. Number one, Sword and Scimitar. You'll then his second book was about the heroes that stood in the breach, of which people in this audience are going to have to replicate those heroes, defenders of the west, which are just incredible. And now you've got the one about the military orders during the Crusades, the Knights Hospital, The Knights of St. John and the Knights Templars. Raymond, the books are gripping, but I just. I want to leave folks with the following. Greatest state of Texas is. And I say this as a Virginian, and as a Virginian, you're raised to think that Virginia is not just the greatest state in the union, but the union wouldn't exist if it was not for Virginia. You know, it's called the Mother of Presidents. You know, with Washington and Jefferson and even in the Civil War. Right. The leaders of both sides. So Virginia from small children are imbued with this love of the commonwealth and how important it's been in history. And I say this now as an adult in my 70s, that having traveled the entire world, and I have a pretty good feel for geopolitics and geoeconomics and also the populist nationalist movement that is kind of driven throughout the world now that Texas is unique. It is the jewel of the crown of the American republic. And the Islamists have Targeted Texas. It's different than Dearborn, Michigan, although they're trying some of the same thing. It's different than New York City, the financial capital of the world. They understand that if they can take over Texas, they can basically take over the American republic and therefore change world history. This is a very organized, very thoughtful plan to do this. Don't think these people are dumb. They are not dumb. They're very cunning and they're very smart and that's why it's got to be thwarted. And I want to leave people and Raymond jump in here. They came out, these are better ones that came out of a wilderness, a desert like you've never seen a desert in your life. And then the matter of 70 years. They conquered Persia, Babylon, Syria, what is today, you know, Israel. But North Egypt, the ancient civilization, most ancient civilization I think we have even more than China, Egypt with a very strong religious bent and North Africa. I tell people, I say St. Augustine, probably the greatest of the church fathers was, was a Berber out of North Africa. They conquered North Africa and were into Spain and came within, I think 150 miles of Paris where they were stopped with by Charles Martel. Raymond. This came out of the Middle east or came out of Saudi Arabia on fire and they understand that and that's why they're trying to conquer the United States of America and they're trying to do it through Texas. Sir, your thoughts?
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Raymond Ibrahim
That's exactly right, Steve. It's, it's that long painful history that most people are unaware of that really underscores everything we're talking about and should make things very clear because from the get go, from right from the beginning, once Islam started spreading, it was primarily against Christian territories. The, the exception would be Persia, Zoroastrian Persia. But the rest of those areas that you mentioned, from Greater Syria, Egypt all the way westward were overwhelmingly Christian. Spain of course, and then into France. And so a great many conquests were against. And, and that was just the beginning. Then later on the Turks of course took the Balkans and Asia Minor and so forth. And so, and you know, you fast forward. So speaking of America, America's very first war, people need to remember this as a nation after a gained independence was against Muslims under the same exact logic. And I think we can, we can close with this final, you know, anecdote of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams who just don't, who didn't get it. They're enlightened thinkers. And here are Muslims from North Africa who are attacking, plundering, raiding American vessels, enslaving American sailors. And Jefferson and Adams meet with the, the ambassador from Tripoli, one of the Barbary States. And they ask him, they just say what we, we, we don't count anyone our enemy. We, we don't provoke anyone and no one provokes us. We won't attack them. Why don't we trade? Why don't we have business? And he, the, the, the ambassador sounds just like isis. He's, he. Jefferson wrote a letter to Congress. And in the letter Jefferson says, he told us that our prophet says you're our enemy. Our, our Quran says we have to lay in wait, ambush you, kill you, use stratagems and enslave you. And this was, of course, he didn't know this Jefferson, but he was paraphrasing the Muslim Quran 9, 5, which is known as the sword verse. So it sort of makes sense when you fast forward to today and you see all the complications that Europeans are having with Muslims. And not just Europeans, Australia, wherever, you have, you know, significant Muslim populations living side by side with non Muslims. As Samuel Huntington said in his book, you know, Islam's borders are bloody, as are its innards. Very true statement. So you fast forward and you come to today and you know, Americans by nature are a very hospitable people and they, you know, they'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I think they're starting to learn, you know, if not from history. I mean, to me history just fills in the gaps, it gives us context, it makes you understand what's happening. But they're, they're learning it the hard way, just the way the Europeans are learning it the hard way, that Islam is just at variance, at odds with everyone else, especially Christian Western civilization, and it's not there to coexist in its initial nascent stages. Sure, it'll talk about, just like Muhammad did when he was weak, he had his own stratagem, which was when he was weak, he preached tolerance and freedom and cooperation, no coercion in religion, etc. And when he became strong, then all that tolerance went out the window and it was basically the sword Islam or, or conversion or vitude. So you can expect that sort of treatment if and when Muslims, you know, reach that sort of critical stage, as they already are in parts of Europe. You know, Trump called it right when he said that Europe is undergoing a civilizational erasure. That's a very important phrase that I think everyone should be cognizant of and we don't want to reach that point now. And like I said, it's always easier Always better if you can dip it in the bud early on rather than wait and have it, you know, mushroom to a huge problem. Think about places like the UK and Germany and France. What? You know, they have like 10, 15% Muslim population. So even if they end immigration right now, now this is something they're going to always have to live with. And I don't think we want to reach that point.
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Steve Bannon
No, it's terrible. I just want to remind people this church started as a desert church that totally got erased. Also, these are ancient civilizations that had their own religions. Persia, Babylon, Syria, Egypt, North Africa, and eventually they took Spain, I think, for almost 800 or 900 years. Raymond, one more time, if we can put the books up, can you just walk through briefly, each book? Because I want the audience. If you want to get educated, these are the three best. They're highly readable, and Raymond writes it in a way that keeps you at the edge of your seat. What is the first book? Sword and Scimitar. What is that about?
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Raymond Ibrahim
Yeah, thanks, Steve. So the first book is Sword and scimitar. The subtitle, 14 Centuries of War between Islam and the West. And that one really follows the history of Islam's annexation and conquest of Western Christian territory. As I had been saying, Egypt and Syria, all these nations that people seldom think of as being Western. Well, they were part of Christendom, actually. They were the older, richer, more learned and sophisticated part of Christendom, people forget. And they were all violently conquered. So Sword and Scimitar looks at that in the context of the eight most decisive battles that I talk about chronologically. So the first one would be the Battle of Yarmouk, which led to the conquest of Syria and Egypt. And the last one would be the Siege of Vienna in 1683. But I also talk about the Barbary wars, that of America in 1801, 1805. And then the second book would be Defenders of the west, the Christian heroes who stood against Islam. And this does. It follows the same trajectory, but now through the lives and the lens of these heroes. Eight heroes. So the Sword and Scimitar is eight battles. This is eight heroes. And I go again chronologically. So there are many biographies, date mini biographies of Christian warriors and their battles against Islam. And I think there's a lot to learn from that, a lot of inspirational material as well. And then the newest book, the Two Swords of Christ, which deals with the military orders, especially the Templars and the Hospitallers and their wars against Islam. That really. And that's the longest book and that one really, if you're interested in the Crusades, this is it. Because the Templars and the Hospitallers were the backbone of the Crusade. So virtually every crusade is covered, covered in detail, but more importantly and as captured by the title Two Swords of Christ. That of course is a reference to the biblical verse in Luke where, where Jesus tells his disciples, if you don't have a sword, go sell your garment and buy one. And then they say, look Lord, here's two swords. And he says, that's enough. And you know, to most modern day Christians that verse means absolutely nothing. He's certainly not talking about swords, which begs the question, what's he talking about? To pre modern Christians, especially medieval Christians, and this comes out very often in these books because they would talk about these verses. That verse meant you have two swords, one against spiritual enemies, which we still acknowledge, but one against secular enemies, including the Muslims.
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Steve Bannon
Raymond, you're coming to us live from Budapest. We appreciate it. What social media, where do people go and your website?
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Raymond Ibrahim
My website raymondebrahim.com Very R A Y M O N D I B R A H I M and I also have a sub stack also just put my name in. And my website also has all the links to my social media I Think @Raymond Ibrahim5 is my Twitter or X account and so forth.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you sir. From joining us from Budapest, a nation that did it right, Viktor Orban in Hungary. Thank you sir, Appreciate you.
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Raymond Ibrahim
Thank you.
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Steve Bannon
Steve, back tomorrow morning at 10:00am Eastern.
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Raymond Ibrahim
Stock that we'll see you then the world right away. Ride away.
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Steve Bannon
Ride away.
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