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WarRoom Battleground EP 941: The Most Important Traditionalist Group In The Catholic Church Prepares To Go Back Into Schism
WarRoom Battleground EP 941: The Most Important Traditionalist Group In The Catholic Church Prepares To Go Back Into Schism...
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Another Banger Mass at St. Joe's Sunday, 6pm this week was a little bit more special. They were awful nice that they offered the mass for my late Aunt Rose, who passed away a couple of weeks ago. To reiterate, the point of the community aspect of this chapel is that they offered the mask for my aunt. Such a nice gesture. As well as that, I got to bump into this guy Anthony, who you've probably seen his videos as well. It just adds to the whole aspect of why people enjoy going to this Mass, what's so special about it? And as you can see here, these videos at the end, it was packed downstairs. This is where after the mass you can go downstairs, you get to, as you say, mingle with people. You get to see people who. First timers or who are the regulars as well. So again, I can't, can't say enough good things about this Mass. If you're a Catholic in New York City, 6pm on Sunday, St. Joe's it's on 6th Avenue in Washington Place. Come in, check it out and I'll see you next week.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.
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Medieval on these people.
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Prison's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go.
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To share the big lie?
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MAGA Media I wish in my soul.
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.
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Country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen k.
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Band Wednesday, 4th of January, Anno Domini 2026 Harnwell here at the helm. This is the week in Christendom in Review, which we do every Wednesday evening with our usual expert commentators on these things. Jenny Holland, Frank Walker. Jenny, you, you picked the, the video there for the cold open today because you had a specific observation you wanted to make on that, right?
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Yeah, I came across my Instagram feed a few weeks ago and it was very charming. The audience probably noted the young man's accent. He's Northern Irish, Irish accent and the his location, which is Greenwich Village, New York City. And this is this. I found this somewhat incongruous given Greenwich Village more recent history, but this is apparently a very thriving page Parish. It's the same one of the churches that we've mentioned before in the New York when we discussed the New York Post story and the Free Press story about this burgeoning young Catholic community in New York. And I just think it's fascinating. This, this guy is young. He, he. All the, his other Instagram videos are about fitness and cooking, and a large part of amount of his content is about his faith. And if you notice in that reel when he goes down into the parish kind of community hall, everyone in there is young. Everyone in there looks like they're in their 20s. They're young professionals who are flocking back to the Catholic faith, which is such an interesting. It's just, it's very striking visual and it's even more striking, especially given that he's Irish, because in the last couple of weeks, the Irish, the elites, the elite Christian, the elite Catholics in Ireland have gone in, have shown themselves to be going in the totally opposite direction. So again, it's as we often talk about the laity being the sort of the true representation of the traditional faith and versus very much here in Ireland, the elites. The former president of Ireland, Mary Macaleese, also from the north of Ireland and a very devout, formerly very devout Catholic, caused a real stir about 10 days ago when she gave a talk to a bunch of Catholic schoolgirls at a school in Belfast, not far from where I live, calling the Catholic Church rancid and its teachings rancid. And she's been on this campaign to modernize, shall we say, the Catholic faith in a way that is really appalling even to me as someone from outside the church. As I say often, what's the point in being Catholic if you're going to try and modernize it? The whole point of it is that you stick with the tradition. You know, local television and local. The, the Irish state broadcaster recently did a video portraying St. Bridget, one of the patron saints of Ireland and whose feast day was, I think, on the first as a sort of pagan abortionist. So the assault from the powers that be never ends to demoralize the Catholic laity and their beloved traditions.
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So in synthesis, your theory of the case is that the elites are off doing one crazy modernist stuff on the one hand, but the youth, the next generation, the future of the church is actually, is tuning out. And because it's tuning out, it's actually getting on with the, the nitty gritty of making the church grow, as we saw in the, in that opening video. Jenny, stay with us because you've Got a story coming up later on in the show on exorcism, which is something that it always has ears pricking up, though. Frank Walker. When I saw this headline break this, this, this week, I thought to myself, this is a story for Frank Walker. And it's something that we spoke about by chance, like two weeks ago because we said if the SSPX is serious, if the Society of Pope Saint Pius X is serious about protecting tradition, sacred tradition, it will need to get its act together and start consecrating new bishops. And that is the story that broke this week. Why don't you give us. The lowdown on what's happened? Not specifically starting with the news, which is the consecrations to say for our largely evangelical audience what the sspx is like 2 minutes, right? What the SSPX. SSPX is why it was excommunicated under John Paul II and the importance for the Society of what it is seeking to do to do the consecrations. And then later on in the show, you're going to talk about your favorite theme and my favorite theme, which is try to incorporate, just exposing themselves for that, for their pure performative. Custody, custodian of, of tradition. But first of all, what is the sspx, the Society of Pope Saint Pius X?
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When back when I was a little boy in the 60s, at the time of Paul VI, after Vatican II was finishing, they came up with this new Mass. They call it the Novus Ordo Mass, but everybody was familiar with this Latin Mass, the Mass in Latin, which had been basically the same Mass going back all throughout history. I mean, you can read about people going to Catholic Masses. It doesn't depend on the century. This is what happened. All of a sudden they had this new Mass. Supposedly they came up with on a napkin or something, and a bishop that had been at a missionary, a French bishop for a long time and had been at Vatican II, petition Paul VI to create his own new society, St. Pius X, where they only said the Latin Mass because he was so sure that it's not something that we could drop. And in fact, not using the old Mass was something condemned by the Pope, Pope Pius V. So this is something that was really actually sort of anathematized to come up with a new Mass. And there was a huge drop off in Catholic Church attendance after this new Mass. And if you've never been to, if you're not a Catholic, you've never been to the new Mass, you walk in and you might find yourself a little bit uncomfortable. It's not necessarily A very pleasant experience, depending on where you go. So The Society of St. Pius X was able to do have their own seminary and trained very well, very good priests that were not sort of infected with many of the ambiguous and heretical things that could be taken out of the Vatican II documents. And so you had a sort of purity of Catholic faith. And they just kept going forward when Paul and then John Paul II came in, until they ran out of bishops, and when they began running out of message, they could not get a replacement from John Paul ii.
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Okay, so let me synthesize this for basically since the earliest centuries of the Church, the Canon of the Mass, the essential core of the Mass, when the priest. I'm sorry, Protestants got to say this. When the priest confects is. It confects the. The Eucharist and turns the blood into the body of Christ and the wine into the blood of Christ. The part of the Mass called the Latin, the Canon of the Mass, the old Latin Mass, that was pretty much unchanged from the second and third centuries right down to us. And then after the Second Vatican Council, between 1962 and 65, just after that, they changed the Mass fundamentally. They didn't just translate that from Latin into the vernacular tongue. They actually changed the Mass itself.
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They.
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The parts of. Wasn't a straight translation. And that caused a lot of consternation amongst Catholics who, like for centuries, over 1800 or so years had had known and passed on this and died for this journey. Was talking about Ireland just a moment or so ago, the Brits, I hate to say this, but the Brits sort of did a massive persecution of Catholic island over a number of centuries. So they're huge martyrs too, right across the world. When the Church was going out there from about the 16th century onwards, right across the world, taking the priests out in mission, there's huge martyrs for the huge numbers of martyrs because the mission is wanted to protect and pass over to peoples who didn't know Jesus Christ yet. Scriptures and the Mass, right? That was overturned basically from literally from one day to the next, huge rebellion. But most people obeyed because, you know, it's the Pope according to some. So you. You have to obey. One bishop didn't. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who was, I think, former provincial, he's in charge of the White Fathers in. I think it was the White Fathers in Africa was a big missionary endeavor for the Catholic Church back in the day. He said, no, the Second Vatican Council is wrong. We'll stay with the old Mass. If the Vatican says no, we'll do it anyway. But I want to be responsible for the formation of new priests, the seminarians, according to the method, to the teachings that were handed down to me. I want to protect the integrity of. Of that, and if necessary, will take this priestly society out of communion with Rome because it is necessary, because Marcel Lefebvre was an old man at this stage. It is necessary to continue this work and to maintain fidelity to the tradition that we consecrate our own bishops, because you need bishops to ordain priests. So I will consecrate four bishops to continue the work after I died. He died like a couple of years later, right. Those four bishops, two of them. Two of them, right, had died, leaving two of the original bishops consecrated. What was 88 or something like that. And now, as we said, like a couple of weeks ago, if the SSPX is serious about continuing its work, it will need to consecrate new bishops. And what's the issue here? To do this, they need to do this not only in prohibition of canon law, because they're doing this explicitly without the consent of the Vatican's authorization process, which is necessary for the consecration, but that is also a schismatic act. Right. And if a bishop consecrates basically puts his hand on a priest and makes another bishop without the Vatican's permission, approval delegated, then that as being a schismatic act automatically incurs excommunication. So if that's the correct synthesis of what you're describing, this is a memental development. Frank Walker, really momentous development. It's something that traditionalists have weighted. Why is this so momentous? Because the SSPX, the Society of Pope St. Pius X, is really the beating heart of. Of the traditionalist movement and all of the other priestly societies that exist, both those in communion with Rome and also those not in communion with them. They're basically satellites of the SSPX because it is the largest organization in terms of priests right across the world that refuse to accept the Second Vatican Council and insist only on the old Mass. Is that correct?
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Yeah. Yes. It's true that, you know, the FSSP, which is a spinoff that happened after the 88 consecrations of bishops, they received their own special organization. They don't have bishops. They have to work with other bishops. And then all these other sort of what they would call smaller, maybe set of the contest, they call different kinds of traditional organizations. The SSPX is critical to them. It's because of the strength of. Of Archbishop Lefebvre and what he built that they're able to continue to function. And the SSPX has always maintained a relationship with Rome, always maintained sort of talks, you know, that they just continue to have contact with each other. And even, and the amazing thing was that even, you know, they were excommunicated. Archbishop Lafay was excommunicated by John Paul II in the time of Francis. They had a relatively good relationship with Rome, too. Benedict lifted those excommunications so that, you know, they had sort of a cloud over their head. But they, but so they moved forward. Benedict opened up openness to the Latin Mass and to the TRAD movement. So that's where they were then. Francis, on one hand, cracked down on the trad movement, trying to push it back, trying to put the genie back in the bottle again. But in the meantime, he was good to the SSPs. He generally was good to them. He said, it's okay they do this. It's okay if they have confessions, it's okay if they're at weddings, it's okay if they do priestly ordinations. It's kind of complicated. So they're at a point now. And when this news came out a couple of days ago, I thought, well, this is great news. But now I'm nervous because there's so many things that could go wrong. After all, the bishops are everything. And if they pick four bishops, they have to pick bishops that are Catholic. They can't be influenced about this. And they have so much, so many opportunities and they have so many enemies. I mean, even the FBI hates the traditional Catholic movement. I mean, the powers that be do not want this to succeed. So for us to just say, okay, it's. They're going to do it in July. It's five months away. It's, everything's fine now. I don't know. I don't know if it's going to be that simple.
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It's not just the FBI. This is why you're going to come back later on the show and announce, in fact, if only you were that easy, Frank Walker, if only were that easy, that it's like things like the FBI that's opposed to the traditionalist. It's actually the movements we call them TRAD Inc. That spend their lives promoting traditionalism, who are also lining up to condemn the SSPX on this. We're going to cover that a little later in the show. That's really in the category of the mask is finally slipping. Before we move on to Jenny, Frank Walker, I just have to quickly ask you this. If they go ahead on the 1st July and God willing, they do and succeed in consecrating four new bishops, what do you think the Vatican's response will. Will be? Will it be to. To. To pronounce an automatic. Will it. Will it be to pronounce that they have automatically excommunicated themselves as, as they did 30 years ago? 30, 35 years ago. What do you think? Call it?
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I think that's hard to guess. I think it's key that this was precipitated by a letter from Kissy Fernandez saying you cannot, you know, do it. So they've been talking about this for a while, but all of a sudden this letter drops that says, okay, it's over. You know, Kissy wasn't really talking to them. He had an underling doing it. So it's almost. I wonder if the plan is going forward according to the people behind Leo and Leo's Vatican. And they may have something up their sleeve that's different than just a flight excommunication, because that communication kind of gave them excommunications, give them credibility in a certain way. And I think that they have. I think they would if they could. They would like to kill the SSPX and they would like to find a way. So I don't know how they're going to do it. They may excommunicate, they may not. In China, they. They don't care. You can consecrate whatever bishop you want because that's okay with them. But I think what Francis did. Francis was unpredictably nice and, and Leo is very. Francis like, okay, let's just.
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Let me give you. We do have to go on to Jenny, right. To hit the excommunications. But let me just give you my quick take on this, on why Francis, because this is somewhat unexpected that Francis actually did Bergoglio, actually, the late, unlamented Pope Francis actually did far more to regularize the SSPX than either of his two immediate predecessors. My take on that, even though he hated sort of that sort of 1950s Catholicism that the SSPX sort of represent, he really had an animus against that. He's not. He wasn't a guy interested in, in dogma, in doctrines, informal, informal theology. Couldn't have been less interested in it. So he didn't care if the SSPX rejected the Vatican 2 documents and they did it with footnotes and they went through with a fine toothcome. He didn't care because he could. He couldn't have cared less what the document said himself. So he gave them a pass on that. What he really wanted to do was get paid. Political oversight of. Of the SSPX by this slow lassoing in of the. Of the society. I think that was his. His strategy and that that sort of explains why he gave them permission to hear confessions. All I have to say before we go on to Jenny now is I actually think Lefebvre's position was perfect on this. I don't want to go. You know, look, I. You don't. I. I did. I don't want to take to the airwaves of the War Room to go full farther Cicada. But I think, though I'm always very happy to do so, I think Archbishop Lefebvre's position was absolutely correct that you can't be excommunicated by those who have already excommunicated themselves. And he was talking about the Vatican and he was saying that because of their modernism, right, they have already excommunicated themselves from the Catholic faith, therefore they weren't in a position to excommunicate anyone. And that. I think that's why it was for things like that. Look, Lefebvre wasn't always that hard line. He'd go through phases. You know, he'd be slightly more sort of accountist. And then he'd sort of come back in and say, okay, perhaps they are real popes. And then he'd flip again. Then he'd flip again. But when he said things like that, I think he was lighting a torch that still burns today. And many people are attracted to that courage. Look, Frank, we'll come back. We'll hit the SSPX later on in the show. We've got to go to Jenny. Before we do that. Folks, quick shout out to Birch Gold. Because when inflation jumps and it's, I think, sort of pushing constantly, as is the price of gold, as is the national debt, which is now over $38 trillion. Do you ever think now maybe would be a good time to buy gold where there's a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability, or just for sensible diversification? Birch Gold Group believes every American should own physical gold. Birch Gold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. Birch Gold is the only precious metals company we at the War Room Trust, as do tens of thousands of their customers. So make right now your first time to buy gold. Text Bannon to 989-898. Again, that's Bannon B, a double N O N to 989-898. Jenny, let's. You got this story, let's quickly have a look at it. Now, I gather that exorcisms are up in the Church of England. That's, that's, that's, that's unusual. Tell me why the. One of the most modernist reflections of one of the most modernist manifestations of Christianity is rediscovering excommunication. What's going on here?
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Yeah, I couldn't tell you exactly what's going on here, but the story in the Daily Telegraph at the end of January they did an investigation which in and of itself is, I find extraordinary and surprising that the Daily Telegraph actually went and got a FOIA on documents pertaining to the communications between an NHS facility and the local diocese in Norwich or thereabouts in the southeast of England, in which the staff in the hospital complex were requesting that the church send deliverance ministry to the hospital which was on the site. It's a hospice, sorry, that was on the site of a former children's hospital that had shut down in the 70s and the staff had seen, had experienced paranormal activity, including a little girl. And the staff were, as the Telegraph reported, very upset by this. Now, bear in mind, this was all the correspondence that they showed in the article was from 2023. So we are not talking a long time ago, we are talking in the immediate past. And the article interestingly delves in a bit to this history, or non history, as case may be, of exorcism in the Church of Eng, which as we talk about all the time, is this very sort of anodyne, very middle of the road, wishy washy church now. But starting in the late 60s, early 70s, they saw an uptick in requests for exorcisms. And according to Mary Harrington writing in unheard, according to her local vicar, every parish now has a deliverance minister, ministry person. So in every parish in the Church of England you can request basically an exorcism and they have a process which sounds similar to the one that the Catholic Church has, to my knowledge, which is you have to prove that it's not a medical problem or a psychiatric or a psychological problem. But they will come if those, if those criteria are met, they will come and deliver you from your demons with holy oil and prayers and that sort of thing. But I just find it so striking that in this day and age, the NHS, of all things, because the NHS in many ways replaced the Church of England as the national religion of the secular United Kingdom. So what is up with that, Ben, you tell me, you're the Brit.
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I would suggest, because I see everything through the lens of this being a spiritual battle in the light of Ephesians 6, 6, 12. I would. My instinct here is to say that even the diabolical presence in the world today is so strong, even the Anglicans are noticing it and responding to it and doing what they can. That's my take on that. Does that sound reasonable?
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Yeah, it does, actually, and I completely agree with you. As I've said before, I started out thinking this was a political war, then a culture war and an information war, and now I've come to the conclusion that it is in fact a spiritual war. And I think the NHS itself, which is so compromised, don't forget the nhs. A different district tried to pass off breastfeeding as chest feeding and actually let men into sort of breastfeeding classes. And the horrors never stop. So the fact that they are also seeing these spiritual, paranormal, inexplicable phenomena to me is very, very interesting, I think. I mean, if you put this in a Hollywood script, it would be too on the nose.
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Yeah. I'm also thinking that, that, that, you know, I'm going to come back. I'll give you my observation to this. Jenny, after the break. Standby, folks. We're back with Frank Walker. Jenny Holland in two short minutes after this quick break. America's heart.
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Welcome back, folks. Well, just to very, very quickly finish the point I, I would have made before the break. So I'm not a great ecumenist maniac, to use the pejorative term, but I do think, given the presence of the diabolic of the devil in human actions, that there is a possibility for greater witness between the Catholic Church and the various Christian denominations to come together and warn an unbelieving mankind about the, the presence of the devil. And I think that the, what we're saying just before the break about the Anglicans starting to relook after many centuries of neglect at exorcism, which they call deliverance. I think that, I think this is something that, that I, I think it's room for common witness. I think, let's put it like that, that's room for common witness against Satan and all his pomp and all his works. Frank Walker, the awareness that we are in a spiritual battle was always at the very heart of the traditionally understood expression of Catholicism, which is the genuine, authentic expression Catholicism. I was particularly bemused to see probably the most authoritative, most establishment of the traditionalist organizations, the most respected, the most socially respected of the traditionalist organizations come out and very clearly criticized the SSPX for proceeding, announcing its intention to proceed with these consecrations. But I wasn't surprised. What was your take on this? I noticed you also covered it on Canon 212. What's your, what was your take on this?
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Well, I mean, it's, it's Joseph Shaw. I think the Unavoche organization that he is official for is like, represents diocesan Latin masses which are all over the world. And he immediately came out and called for the canonical regularization of the sspx. It would enable its many works to bear the greatest possible fruit. That, I mean, I can't understand where he gets that. The SSPX has, it's like the fifth or fourth or fifth largest order in the Catholic Church. You know, it has a, you know, not a quite right connection to the Catholic Church, but it's big. It has 600,000 people in their parishes, has about 150 priories all over the world. And every priory has a bunch of parishes that fan out from that. So, I mean, it is bearing a lot of fruit. He. So he says, we share their goal, but there's a lot of people out there that already are able to get to the Latin Mass, and they have all the necessary permissions from their church's hierarchy. That, to me, rings a little childish. To me. It's just there's a thread running through these criticisms about the SSPX about obedience to authority. Obedience to authority is a good idea. Like, if you're working in a corporation, you need to do what your boss says or you're fired. But the Catholic Church isn't really like that. The Catholic Church has more than just obedience to authority. It's obedience to a creed, to a faith before God. Everybody forgets that part. You know, he wants to be all technical about the permissions, which is true. But he says, and of course they have some legitimate complaints because they're making it very difficult in Leo Church to be able to go to Latin Mass. And that's why they get this environment for their silly idea or of a state of emergency and creating bishops. So he's kind of saying, well, this is your fault, Leo Vatican, and we're here to help you fix it the right way.
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I understand that he got a lot of pushback. He gets. And I've seen this happen to him before on Twitter. He gets like little ratioed, and then he gets kind of angry and a little. A little bit snitty about it. So that's. That's one guy, the Bishop Alegante out of Switzerland, who's always touted as a conservative. He's also really attacked the SSPX for the same reason. They're just not. They're not in line with what they're supposed to do. They're not following appropriate channels. Being in line with Leo's church, I mean, that's connecting yourself to a lot of characters. You know what I mean? There's more to it than that. And there's also. The Walsingham Ordinariate issued a scathing rebuke. So the people in the more establishment connected to Leo operations are all stomping up and down about this because SSPX outpaced them and is more successful than them. I found the SSPX because I couldn't. During the virus, I couldn't find any place to go to Mass. But the SSPX would let you go.
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So much, so much to so much to break down in what you just said there. So the unovoche statement coupled with the joint statement with the Latin Mass Society said that they had heard with concern the announcement by the Superior General of the SSPX that they will carry out the episcopal consecrations this year. They say our ardent wish shared by many Catholics of goodwill is for the canonical regularization of this aspects. That's the point, Frank Walker, you were making which would enable its many good works to bear the greatest possible fruit. This announcement is an indication that this outcome is a more distant prospect than it has seemed for many years. So there's una voce are saying basically that regularization, canonical regularization with a modernist superstructure that hates the Catholic faith is more important than the SSPX being able to continue its own existence.
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There's. There is so. There is so much, there is so much in that statement and what it reveals about the respectable side of traditional traditionalists. Traditionalism, Frank Walker, is not simply about the Latin Mass. Right. I know people focus on that. It's about everything that the Church before the council taught and even beyond that. It's about a disposition and an attitude to the modern world in general. It's about putting Jesus Christ first and his kingdom first. Right. What did Christ say? Put the kingdom of God first and all the other things will be added to. It's the disposition of shutting out the secular world and concentrating on Jesus Christ. That is what the traditional Catholic faith inculcated and it's what was destroyed when the Church embraced Modernism institutionally at the Second Vatican Council. And if the sspx, because there's no way that Ratzinger would ever have liberalized the old Mass, if the SSPX hadn't existed, if the SSPX isn't allowed to secure its, its episcopal. If he's not able to ensure its episcopal future and the ability to ordain its own priest, then it will die out. And that's exact. It was exactly the long game that John Paul II and Ratzinger were trying to bring about. Right.
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D
If they did what Uniboche said, that would be the end of the whole trad movement. It would be completely over because the Leo Church would, would take it over, would never give it another bishop would tell it he can't say the Mass anymore. The ones that are pliant would, would, would do what they're told and that would be the end of the traditional movement. The s. The SSPX standing separate and having bishops is key to the whole preservation of like you're saying The Catholic perspective, a Catholic attitude. It's so necessary. And that's why it worries me so much. This is this negotiation that Palani, Palani now is just announced is going to be meeting independently with just Kissy Fernandez next week. That scares me. When they went, when they. The Knights of Malta. When Francis wanted to take over the Knights of Malta, which is a big powerful organization with its own, you know, passports and, and a lot of money on the line, he had a meeting with Frau Festing, the head of that operation, which is 1,000 years old. And bam. The next day the guy resigned. I don't. It scares me that they. This is going into the spider's web and negotiating. If you can't hold firm, you're not going to be able to maintain it. These bishops need to be good Catholic men, otherwise the whole thing is done. It's done.
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C
We spoke about this again, I repeat, we spoke about this two weeks ago about the SSPX's needed to get on with the job of episcopal consecration to provide for the next generation. I'm not sure this would have happened under the, the Pagani's predecessor, Bishop Fellay. And I'm delighted to see that the SSPX is rediscovering its spine here because it is more important for any Catholic to remain obedient to tradition than it is to modernist hierarchs. I wrote down what you said because it was so perfect. Right. I just want to check your quote before going on to quote you at future moments. You said if the SSPX did what the Vatican says, that would be the end of the traditional movement. Right. Frank Walker, that is the synthesis of, of what you said. Yeah, because that's perfect.
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D
That's true.
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C
I made a note of that.
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D
It's a separation. Keeping it all going.
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Great. Well, we'll keep, we'll keep our beady cynical eyes fixed on this. And I have to say. Oh, right. You mentioned Bishop Elegante, who. Eleganti, who's often indicated as being a traditional minded bishop. There was one bishop who came out and supported the SSPX because he's so right again and again and again. And that was Archbishop Vigano, who is very much loved and supported by the warring posse, even by the evangelicals and the Protestants. He's, he's so clear and courageous and willing to go, go against the Catholic, the Vatican institutional hierarchy. He has won many, many friends for himself. Archbishop Vigano, a hero of the Catholic faith, gave his full blooded endorsement to the sspx. By the way, Archbishop Vigano himself was excommunicated by the late unlamented Pope Leo. Look, we'll be moving on to Jenny now to round off the show, but first I very quickly must give a quick shout out to our two sponsors that I'll be highlighting today. Let me quickly go ahead and do Home title lock and then I'll give you folks at home the details once again for Birch Gold. So if you're a homeowner, you do need to listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever before and and your equity is the target. Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on one document. They use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee with your county and boom. Your home title lock has been transferred out of your name. And then they take out loans using your equity or they even sell your property outright. You won't even know it's happened until you get that collection or foreclosure notice. So let me ask you, when was the last time you checked your home title? So if like me, the answer is never. And that's exactly what the scammers are counting on. And that's why we at the War Room trust Home Title Lock. So use promo code steveometitlelock.com home title lock all one word to make sure your title is still in your name. You'll also get a free title history report plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's 24,7 monitoring of your title, urgent alerts to any changes and if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million to fix it. So go to home title lock.com now use promo code Steve. That's hometitle lock.com promo code Steve. And I did say I'd give you the details again to the Birch Gold so you can ask them for more details. Philip Patrick and his team standing by to give you whatever advice you need about rolling an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. So you got a text to Bannon to 989-898. That's Bannon to 989898. Jenny Holland then. So back to the Anglicans today. Blimey, they are in the news. And this is far more what we expect out of the gentle and sedate and not remotely believing Anglicans. Their clergy in London have been asked to promote anti racism in sermons that should go down with with gen. Gen. Go on, tell me more.
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So the Church of England bursars which are called the church commissioners have opened the purse strings, have opened the wallet to pour money into anti racism, quote unquote initiatives. And as we know here in the war room, but not everyone might, not everyone might know is that anti racist does not mean you are against racism. Anti racist means you believe in the new religion of white supremacy, white guilt and white privilege. They're entirely different things. So the Church of England, in a shock and surprise to absolutely no one, is going fully woke, essentially more so than it even has already. It is paying out £750,000 to parishes across England to do basically woke propaganda. So it says here, I'm quoting directly. Whether it's Bible studies, baptismal preparations, confirmation preparations or sermons, what we would like to actively promote is racial justice as one of the ways in engaging with the challenges of the Church, which is such so ironic because basically all of this stuff is just a replacement religion. It is not a addition, an addendum to Christianity. Furthermore, and you can tell me better, being a true man of God, I thought that the Christian faith covered all of this stuff already and that we were all made in the image of God and we don't need an updated modernist neo communist ideology to be shoehorned into this ancient religion to make us all less guilty of what this article is deeming racial sin. So the Church of England is, is bringing in a new sin. New sin just dropped. Racial sin that only refers to white people, by the way, only white people, people are able to be guilty of racial sin. Again, I do not think that you.
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C
Two are on, are on a roll today. New sin just dropped. That's.
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E
But no, in case you're wondering, Ben, in case you're doubting this, because I know what you are with your cynical bdi, don't worry, in case you're concerned, unconscious bias training which was will be funded by this for parish staff, unconscious bias training for parish staff and councils will be theologically informed. So do not fear, it will be based in the Bible. Apparently these neo Maoist struggle sessions will be biblically correct. Apparently churches will be funded for support for refugees and asylum seekers. So that's also covering all bases. But let's not mistake this initiative, which is called the Racial justice priority project for £750,000 with a other project called Project Spire, which was 100 million pound project to fund healing, repair and justice to address historic links of the Church to the enslavement of peoples in Africa. And I would just like to remind the Church of England, far be it from me to tell Them their own history. However, it is my understanding that Anglican, the Anglican communion in the African nations is far more conservative and far more doctrinaire and correct than anything that any of this nonsense that is passing for Christianity in England today. I would like to remind them of that.
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C
What did you say about the struggle sessions just now? Because I didn't catch the first part.
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E
They will be theologically. They will be theologically informed.
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C
Theologically informed struggle sessions.
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E
Yes.
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C
Oh, very quickly. Theologically informed. Theologically informed. In quote marks struggle sessions. The term struggle sessions was supplied by Jenny Holland. Folks look so much to bounce off. No. However, no time. I do. You know, I would never call myself a man of God, but I call myself a sinner in need of the of Christ's salvation. But you're absolutely right. It's Genesis, chapter 1, verses 26 and 20 and 27. Man was made in the image and likeness of God. The reason why that's not enough for these people is because they don't like talk. The reason they want to do theologically informed struggle sessions is because they're ashamed to talk about Jesus Christ in the pulpit. They're ashamed to talk about Jesus Christ, his holy law, his kingdom. They don't want to talk about that. So they will talk about anything else. As a substitute, these, these guys are pushing methadone as opposed to heroin, folks. That's all we have time for. Jenny Holland, very quickly on social media, where do people go to keep up with your exploding viral analysis?
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E
Yeah, well, my YouTube channel is a good place to go now. It is saving culture from itself on YouTube. And I'm also on substack, Jenny E. Holland, substack.com and Frank Walker.
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Canon 212. Type it in the address line and on Twitter it's canon212 spelled out. And the daily updates on the right column. And it's also on Rumble and on Gloria tv. And at the stumbling block you see.
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C
There, folks, do try and check out Canon 212 during the week. It'll keep you posted. That's all we've got time for now. Thank you to Frank Walker, Jenny Holland, our producer, Cameron Wallace.
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