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WarRoom Battleground EP 946: PEW REPORT: Catholics’ Support Of President Trump Has NOT Changed Significantly Over The Past Year
WarRoom Battleground EP 946: PEW REPORT: Catholics’ Support Of President Trump Has NOT Changed Significantly Over The Past Year...
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.
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Medieval on these people.
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Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Wednesday the 11th Wednesday, 11th of February, Anno Domini 2026 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room, covering as we do every week, Christianity in Review over the last seven days. With joining me tonight, as always, Jenny Holland. Jenny, good evening to you. We've got a lot of stuff that we're going to go through today. Listen, off with this one. This something pricked up your ears when you heard about this. And this is the fact that New York's new mayor, for the first time in a hundred years, if not for the first time since the diocese was created, is did not attend the installation of the new archbishop of New York. Tell us more about what happened there.
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Yeah. The New York Post is reporting that last Friday at the installment of the new archbishop, Richard Hicks, I believe Mamdani skipped out on the event. This is a traditional chance for politicos to come and sort of schmooze with church hierarchy and ingratiate themselves with the laity. And Mamdani, perhaps not that surprisingly, decided he had better things to do. His office said he had a prior commitment, although they didn't say what. And he did attend an interfaith breakfast on the same day, but did not find time for the new archbishop. I think. Is this really that surprising? No. I think that obviously Mount Dani has gotten the most attention for being this extreme left wing Muslim political activist and the first time that a mayor of New York City or anyone in any kind of level of power in New York has been a Muslim. But you know, I think, you know, he makes such a big deal, especially in his election campaign of sort of playing to the salt of the earth, working class Hispanics and immigrant communities. And then he doesn't even bother going to the installation of one of their most high ranking ecclesiastical figures. So you Know, you can do the math, right? I mean, the veneer of sort of crunchy we love everyone pose that he. He adapted during his campaign is well and truly off since he was installed in Gracie Mansion in January of this year. And he's shown a much more sort of rabid hardline side to him, which would surprise no one in the MAGA posse, obviously. But, you know, start as you mean to go on. I mean, this is not a man who cares one whit really, about the dearly held faith of working class Hispanics, never mind working class ir, Irish and Italians, of course, New York being the heartland of those immigrant communities going back centuries at this point. So, yeah, not a huge surprise, but extremely disrespectful and probably politically unwise.
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Okay, so the guy, as we know, is a radical jihadist communist. And I get why he's not going to go to the installation of the. Of the Catholic Church's bishop for the New York Diocese. That said, I probably. What? You know what, what did you say in your commentary just now, Jenny? He's obviously scorning the deeply held faith of. Of millions.
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Of.
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Of. Of his. Of his patch. And that's true. But that would be the. If I were mayor of New York, I wouldn't go for that very reason because the, because the. The Archbishop of New York is scored. Is scorning the faith of millions of Catholics. Yeah, I have to say, look, I don't like, you know, constantly ridiculing hierarchs or bishops and cardinals in the Catholic Church publicly, but sometimes it's impossible to have a reasoned debate about what's going on without doing so. So with great trepidation, I'm going to ask the guys in Denver to play a short segment. The new Archbishop of New York's installation homily. And then I will make a commentary on that over to you guys.
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And while Chicago will always be my plane to town, Here in Dallas are my feelings about New York based on the following songs done with just a little bit of creative editing to some of the lyrics. Okay, here goes. Some folks like to get away Take a holiday from the neighborhood I'm in a New York state of mind.
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Concrete.
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Jungles where dreams are made of there's nothing you can't do now you're in New York. I happen to like New York I happen to love this town so start spreading the news I'm starting today. I want to be a part of it new york, new york.
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For those. I mean, I know the audio wasn't perfect on that for those who couldn't quite make out what was going on, the, the spiritual leader of New York's Catholics at its installation Mass was just reciting sort of like Frank Sinatra, another type, like New York, New York, that sort of thing to wild, ecstatic applause. I have to say I, I mean I, I, I, I could hardly listen to it. In fact I made myself listen to it before the show through to the end. I mean it's Jenny, look, every time, every Wednesday you come on the show, you detail what's going on, especially in Generation Z, Gen Z rights, especially amongst young guys who are coming into the church for the first time. And these guys, we'll talk about a little bit about this in the second half of the show in like for example in the Netherlands, which I know you have some details about these guys, small perhaps in, in number, especially to those who are deserting the church year by year. But these guys are fired up with faith. These are the kind of guys that you will see on social media with sort of crusader icons in, as their, as their avatars, right? That sort of thing. These guys are on fire for the faith and they want to defend Christendom because they realize it is under existential attack. And I'm just wondering if that, but that, you know, a lot of them have found their faith and find their calling through social media, right through like minded online peeps. And I'm just wondering because they're not gonna, they're not gonna be that familiar with the day to day churchgoing journey. And I'm wondering what, you know, you got, you, you've got your 20 year old guy, right? You know, your 20 year old gym bro. His one minute moment, he's of, he's uploading, he's live streaming from the gym and then he's gonna go back to his room and sort of read some scripture on social media. This guy's gonna go into the Cathedral of New York at St. Patrick's probably for the first time and he's gonna see that and he's gonna say this isn't the label that was on the can, right? What am I doing here? Right? This is the opportunity for the, for the Archbishop of New York to reach. Because this is installation mass. This is an opportunity to reach an audience, a wide audience because everyone's writing, rewriting his installation and to get out there and to speak to these people who for the first time ever are getting engaged with the defense of Christendom. Not just Catholics, it's happening in Protestantism as well. And they're going to see that and they're going to think, oh, my God.
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Yeah, yeah. Not only was that profane, I think is actually known online as Boomer slop. Look, the church hierarchy, and I've learned a lot from you and Frank and Liz on this, Ben. So, you know, you guys are the experts, but the church hierarchy is obviously deeply embedded in the bosom of the elites. They are the elites. They are the sort of Boomer gerontocracy. Not this man is particularly old, but in general, they are entirely Boomer gerontocracy coded, shall we say. And those people do not realize what time it is. So that was a cutesy little spiel, to use a nice New York word that you know is from the before times. It's from before the spiritual emerg and this cultural crisis and a time of great political danger where this common sense revolution that we are trying to ensure succeeds is constantly on a knife's edge. So, you know, that would have been sort of funny and, you know, ingratiating 20, 30 years ago. Those times are no longer with us. The elites of the church, just like the elites of politics and media and cult, fail to see that or deliberately pretend they don't see it. And yeah, I mean, we just see, week after week, we see more and more evidence that the young people, especially the young men entering the faith for the first time, they always fit this pattern, right? Their boomer grandparents or perhaps parents left the church or they were exposed to the children through the boomer church and found it utterly lacking and hypocritical and were turned off by all of these terrible scandals involving children and whatnot. And they've gone really back to the source, back to the book, back to the traditional Mass. And as much as I, you know, I don't want to wait, have to wait another generation to see it, these people will be growing in number, assuming they, they are, you know, they're Catholics, they're going to marry, they're going to have children, and they will eventually replace this current cast. You know, it's just a matter of what, what state are we all going to be in, not just the Church. What state is society going to be in by the time these young men in particular have any chance at kind of grabbing the reins of power? And in that, it's much like the, the political establishment in D.C. as well.
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Let me just make sure that I've, I synthesize you correctly on there. If I tie that together. You see your argument there. Having watched that installation Mass of Archbishop Hicks. Boomer Slop, as you call it. Boomer Slop is turning will turn Generation Z away, especially those who are approaching the church for the first time. Right, that's you. That's your warning to the Catholic Church hierarchy. That's perfect. Jenny looks Stand by. We'll hit your your reporting in a moment of what's going on in the Netherlands. It's interesting, the Netherlands. There's some good. There's a lot to be alarmed about, but there's a lot to be encouraged about. First, however, let's have a quick shout out to Birch Gold, our regular sponsor of Steve Bannon's War Room. Specifically, I just want to say a few short words about the end of the Dollar Empire Patriots edition, which is now being printed as a compilation of six volumes in a one limited bound book. This, as you know constantly from following the show, this tells the story of how America's financial system has been hijacked by the Fed, by Congress, by the globalist elites. It details how the Fed manipulates global markets, how Congress has betrayed the American people 90 times. And it also details Steve Bannon's personal strategy for protecting finances when the whole financial superstructure finally collapses. You cannot buy this book anywhere, not in stores, not on Amazon, and it's exclusive to Birchgold as the provider. So unlike previous editions, this one is a printed, physical, finite, one off edition. And they thought that the first run would last some weeks. It didn't and therefore Birchgold approved one final print run. So this is a rare copy. You need to get it now whilst numbers are still available and it's limited to war room listeners who make a purchase from Birchgold Group before the new extended deadline of February 27, you've got about 22 weeks to to call Philip Patrick and his team and get that order in. So to claim your eligibility of the end of the Dollar Empire Patriots edition, text a Bannon to 989-898. That's Bannon B, a double N O N to 989-898 on with the show. So Jenny Holland in the in the Netherlands, they've seen what they're billing as a 40% rise in the number of adults who have been received into the Catholic Church that is either baptized straight off or having defected from one of our sister communions. And that sounds pretty good, right? 40% increase. You break down the actual numbers, however, and it's horrific in terms of the people who left the church. Tell me what you have uncovered.
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Should I give you the bad news first? I always like to get the Bad news first. Yeah. According to, and I'm reading from the study here or the article here, the data published by the Catholic Institute for Ecclesiastical Statistics, the number of adults joining the church increased. But the bad news is that there was a steep fall in infant baptisms across 20 years. And the numbers really are shocking. So 42,400 and something in 2000 infant baptisms to a mere 6,000 in 2024. However, in 2024, there was a 40% increase of adults joining the Catholic Church. The numbers again are small. 630 adults joined the church in 2024. Now the interesting thing about that to me, Ben, and maybe, I don't know if you, maybe I'm going out on a limb, but tell me what you think. That sort of indicates to me that again, just what we were just talking about, the people who were raised in Catholic families going back 50, 60 years, again, the boomer Catholics, the offspring of those people did not stay in the flock. They have left. They were disillusioned by the state of the church. And what we're seeing now is young, I'm wondering is as young adults coming in, the 630 people are young adults or mainly young adults coming in and perhaps they will then sort of repopulate, as I was talking about earlier, what do you think about that theory?
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You, you've got this absolutely correct. It's, it's the people who have the familiarity of what is being presented since the Second Vatican Council as the Catholic faith who are rejecting it and leaving it and they're refusing even to have their kids baptized in it. And it's the people who have abs had absolutely no connection to the Catholic, the Novus Ordo post conciliate Catholic Church whatsoever. And they're learning about it from books, from YouTube videos, from social media. Those are the people who are being attracted to it. And there is obviously, as we were just saying earlier on in the show, there is going to be a dissonance there between expectation and reality. And this is something we'll say on the show to any pastors who are listening, any priests, bishops who are listening to the show that do what you can in the, in the management of expectations here, because this is a one off opportunity for the church to have so for the Catholic Church, for the evangelical communities as well to have. There is a moment going on, right? There is a revival moment going on. And we said, we speculated, you know, that, that there are a number of things here, but specifically, of course, the public grotesque martyrdom of Charlie Kirk who was a hero to generation Z anyway, on social media. And then he, his brutal shooting. And of course, people now after he. After he was killed, they decided to look more into his faith, which was a huge part of his private interior life. And looking into that, they discovered that they want to learn more for themselves as well and to pursue their own interior lives. And I am worried, seeing as you asked me this question. I am worried, really worried. Especially the monolithic institution of the Catholic Church isn't. Not only is it oblivious to what is going on here, when they start. When you see when Catholic priests are going to start sitting down talking to these guys who are coming into the church for the first time, they're gonna. I think these priests are gonna make it clear they're not even welcome in the Catholic Church with the, with the views that they have. If they go on, if they go to knock on the presbytery door wearing a red maga cap and they're gonna, they're gonna. The priest is gonna tell them, look, you know, you're not wanted here. We're basically a communist, pro migration, pro invasion NGO here. We don't, you know, we're not interested in praying the rosary or going on crusade. Jenny, I'll hand back to you. I just want to. I just want to come in and just supplement those figures that you gave. You mentioned that the fall in infant baptisms, which is exactly as you said. This is people who know the Catholic, the post conciliar Catholic faith, which isn't the Catholic faith, it's a substitute of the true Catholic faith, but they know it, they grew up in it and they've rejected it. And those figures once again, because Jenny mentioned them before, folks, but here they are. This is for you to quote when you're down at the bar or at the bowling alley and you're talking to your friends and you want to know, you want to set your talking. You're evangelizing and you just. What are these figures again? In the year 2000 in the Netherlands, the infant baptisms were 42,000, and they have now fallen in 2024 to 6,000. Let me hit the adult abandonments of the church as well, because those figures are also horri horrific. Netherlands is a country of some 18 million people. And the Catholics, the number of Catholics fell from just a little over 5 million in the year 2000 to 3.4 million in 2024. So that's a falling away of about one and a half million, around what, 30%. So you have 3, 3.4 million over 24 years abandoning the church compared with the 600 people that came in last year alone. These figures are, they're nothing. But the number of people abandoning the Catholic Church is absolutely colossal and the number that's coming is tiny. So the Catholic, the post conciliar Catholic Church shouldn't be patting itself on the back too heavily because of that. I will hand back to you on this point, Jenny, that said, right, because what is really important here is quality of conversions. These 600 or so who have come in, these are going to be people on faith, on fire with the faith. And Jesus Christ, when he evangelized, when he launched the church after Pentecost with just 12 apostles, evangelized the whole world, he sorted off with 12 people who were on fire with the holy spirit. So 600 people is a lot more than 12. So when the Holy Spirit is involved, anything can happen, right?
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Yeah. And agreed. The quality matters more than the quantity, without a doubt. Also, you know, the broader context within Europe, but also with the Netherlands, is that it has been essentially a globalist plaything. It's been undergoing massive immigration, especially from Muslim countries. It's been a hotbed of populist discontent, the Dutch farmers protests and, and you know, most famously or infamously, they have this extremely permissive culture regarding sort of prostitution and drugs and this sort of thing. And again, like I said before, you know, in a, in a more sane, secular, liberal era, the, the prostitution and the drugs, oh, it was always held up like, oh look, look how civilized that these people are. They're so enlightened, they can, they're proof that you can have a civilized society that also allows these things to, these adult behaviors to exist legally. But you know, the Netherlands also has a euthanasia law that applies to children as young as 12. And if not going to cause you to really question the liberal religion, I mean it's basically liberal extremism and the woke religion that has allowed for such a travesty, an actual abomination, that a 12 year old can petition the government to be killed due to whatever they deem unbearable suffering. And anyone over the age of 16 can do it without parental consent. I mean, if that is not going to turn a few hearts towards, you know, the true church and God and spirituality in general, and the Christian faith in particular, which stands firmly against that, then nothing will, you know, and you're absolutely right, it's always a minority that starts the fire.
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What we need are more people, Jenny Holland, who are able to, to do what you have done, which is pray the Holy Rosary for a whole year, not with any big fanfare, not with any New Year's in resolution of saying, I'm gonna pray the rosary for every day for the next 365 days. It's, I'll do it one day at a time and see what happens, which is the far more spiritually mature thing to do. And of course then the spiritual graces and the spiritual fruits of praying the daily rosary start to show themselves in, in your daily life. And that's why, and that's why you carry on. Not because you made some flash fanfare commitment, but because each day you renew your commitments to Christ. Right? That, that's the secret, right?
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That's it. I'm, I'm not some social media influencer doing it for clout. It's private and it's helped me immensely in my life. It's helped me. I don't have words for how much it's helped.
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Beautiful testimony, Jenny. Stand by. We're back folks in just two short minutes time. I got American power, I got American baby In America's heart.
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Welcome back. Well, the Pew report, which is one of the great authoritative sources on dynamics across Christianity across the west, has just produced a report which details the various Christian denominations support for President Trump one year in interesting figures, it shows a slight decline amongst white evangelical Protestants. But amongst white Catholics, the numbers actually are holding up. Jenny, you've seen these figures. What was your first takeaway of the Pew reports? Research?
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It was some sort of something akin to relief, I guess, given that it's a midterm year and they're coming fast upon us. Everything is at stake in this coming election. Everything is at stake two years after literally everything, Freedom itself and real democracy. Anytime I see anything that indicates that people are still on side, I'm happy to see it. In particular because on social media and in the mainstream media, there has been an unrelenting weapons grade psychological operation intended to strike fear, panic and terror into the hearts of American citizens over the ice operations to remove illegal aliens and illegal alien criminals, people who've committed very serious crimes, not just being in the country illegally and have them removed from the country. So I'm very heartened to see that white Catholics in particular have withstood that pressure campaign. It did show a decline among Hispanic Catholics. But again, I mean, these are, these are people who are going to see it slightly differently being newer immigrants themselves. And again, I mean, you know, and the audience will surely know just the levels of insanity that are going on and are on display on, across social media, primarily driven by these absolute hysterical, affluent white liberal women who, I mean, the propaganda campaign, and I see it shared all the time, including by people I know well, they're sending children to concentration camps, they're kidnapping Children off the streets, they murdering American citizens like Alex Preddy and Renee Goode. It is really, really relentless and extremely dangerous. I mean, this is the kind of thing that does get people killed. It's exactly what got Alex Peretti killed and what got Renee Goode killed. It's not. It wasn't, you know, the American Gestapo. It was their fantasy that they were acting in some sort of heroic resistance manner that caused them to behave rashly and they ended up dead. So, yeah, overall, I think it's positive. What do you think?
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Well, it seems to me that the Vatican's project, the globalist project as well, of having the Vatican put forward an American pope who could be wheeled out to oppose President Trump and his policies and to oppose President Trump's heroic opposition to the Third World illegal invasion. That project, it would appear to me at this point, Jenny, has failed because Catholics aren't listening. That was my takeaway at this. Because, of course, the Vatican has been incredibly. Leo has been incredibly. This is. This is a point of continuity between the late, unlamented Pope Francis to Pope Leo, his anointed heir. The. The Vatican being effectively just a humanist ngo, a pro migration ngo. Now, the idea of putting an American pope in as the front man, because then, of course, President Trump can't say, or at least American Catholics can't say, oh, you know, this is like, it's an Argentine pope, it was a German Pope. They don't understand the American context and dismiss the socialism coming out of the. Out of the Vatican. For that reason, they've got an American in. Now, though I have said on the show, I doubt the extent to which you can legitimately consider Leo to be an American pope. It seems to me, Jenny, that that's failed, that. That American Catholics aren't allowing themselves to be deceived by that strategy, and they will remain loyal to President Trump and his agenda. And that's incredible. I'm very happy to see that. That's because the American church is incredible. That's because the American Church, particularly, the American Catholic Church particularly, is incredibly strong on a lot of the cultural issues.
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That is incredible, especially because, you know, there was, I think, an upswell in positive feelings for the Vatican when Leo ascended to the throne. What is it? Was it a few months ago? I have lost track of time. So, yeah, you're right. It is remarkable that they, if that is correct, they haven't fallen for the pr. That was. I just think that look there on social media, everything. And in the mainstream media, even more so, everything seems so extreme. And deliberately so. It's deliberately made out to seem extreme. And like there's this kind of unbridgeable divide. And, you know, definitely there are in terms of policies, in terms of parties, in terms of real issues, there is some, there is a lot of unbridgeable divides there. But that's media and social media. In communities, in towns and in parishes and in neighborhoods, people tend to be really quite sane and quite common sense based. So I think when people see, when normies, you know, for lack of a better term, I don't mean that as an insult. When normies see these ICE protests, which are entirely fake and astroturfed and engineered and funded by these powerful political and economic groups, they don't recognize themselves, they don't recognize American traditions of protest and dissent. They see a bunch of absolute Looney tunes running around acting like fools and acting like zealots. And that's a big turnoff for people who are just trying to go about their lives, mind their business, build their families and live a decent life, which is like, without doubt the majority of Americans, certainly of all American Christians and religious people in general, you know, the left, obviously, and the liberals are. I don't, I'm not including them that, I'm not including them in that because they do really seem to be fully radicalized and kind of beyond reach at this point. But I think they're, in a sense, they're almost doing us a favor by showing their true colors and by behaving in this irrational and frightening and violent manner. I mean, it's not just the violence of Alex Preddy kicking the headlights and the throwing of bottles and the mobbing of ICE agents in hotels and all that stuff. The, the rhetorical violence from the side that says words are violence. And then they go around, you know, and I'm currently doing this big project about this very thing, like women advocating for the sexual mutilation of men, conservative men, women celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Just, it's this endless, vile and really kind of like witch like behavior. Normal people are not going to want to get behind that. Normal people are going to say, well, actually, I think I might just stick with what I already know and I already back Trump and let's just see if, if we can ride out the storm.
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Yeah, can be interesting, isn't it, to see what the next move that the Vatican will play. But I am, you know, to add to what you're saying, I am very quietly encouraged and satisfied that the US Catholic Church has so far failed to be seduced by the Fact that there's an American Pope a couple of percentage and that's all that's great news. I mean doesn't this, I think we'll win them back. I think those who the couple of percentage that have peeled off, I think we're going to win them back.
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And doesn't this go back a little bit to this eternal question that we keep coming back to, the laity versus the hierarchy. I think that there's a lot to that really. I think the laity are people who live in these communities that have been affected by the illegal invasion. They live in communities where their school libraries are riddled with pornographic books. They live in communities where boys are allowed to play in girls sports or were until Donald Trump came along. And so those are very, those are the new bread and butter issues. It's not, you know, it's not just economics anymore. I mean there is a cadre of former liberal middle aged women like myself who have turned against the Democratic Party forevermore because of those very issues. The boys and girls sports, the boys and girls changing rooms, the men in women's prisons and all of that. So, you know, whilst again the church hierarchy like swans around in their new in their fancy New York events and rubs shoulders with the not great and not good, you know, real people have a much better sense of what needs to be done and who is the only man to do it, which is Trump.
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You mentioned the background dynamic here, which is something that we mention on the war room all the time and that is the need for an existential need for the laity to take the reins of the leadership of the Catholic Church from the bishops and the cardinals who have only demonstrated in 60 or so years their capacity, their near endless capacity to run the church into the ground. And one of the interesting, I think to see how these currents start to converge. One of the interesting developments on that is going to take place I think on the 1st of July when the Society of Pope Saint Pius X, the SSPX, known colloquially as the Lefebvrerists after their Archbishop Lefebvre who founded the Society, they're going to be consecrating new bishops. What had the Vatican reacts to that is going to be important, but it could massively give the opportunity, I think the spiritual oversight that that's going to Wyden will give a massive opportunity for the laity to hold the institutional hierarchy to account because they then will have an alternative to go to standby. Folks, we're back with Jenny on some interesting news coming hot out of Italy, the apotheosis of Giorgia Maloney. But that's in 30 seconds. I did give out in the first part of the show the details of the Patriots edition for Birch Gold's new book, the End of the Dollar Empire. I'll give you those details once again. You've got a text. Bannon to B A n on to 989-898. That's Bannon to 989-898. If you do that, folks, make a purchase before February 27th. You'll also get that Birchgold's free gold IRA info kit thrown in along with the Patriots edition, which is a compilation of all six volumes compiled into one limited edition printed book. A special opportunity, folks, for you to get before those, those disappear. Once they're gone, they're gone. Okay, Jenny, so now people who follow me on Ghetto will know I'm not the greatest fan of Giorgio Maloney. And there has been a huge hoo ha right across the Italian peninsula because a church in Rome, San Lorenzo in Lucerne, if I'm not mistaken. I know the church. I have been into it. A church in Rome, a sacristan in touching up one of the frescoes touched up an angel which looks suspiciously like the prime minister, the Italian prime minister. Let's have a look at the. We've got some video footage of this that will play in the background. Jenny, you're following this. I know you folks might not realize we also have. You also have your home here in Italy. You spend a lot of time out here and you follow very closely Italian news. This was a big story. Tell me more about what happened.
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Yeah, so there was some water damage, I believe, to this church which was originally built in the 4th century. It's just right near the city center of Rome. And it's sort of a mystery. There was, there was a bit of a equivocation as to who did it. But yes, this elderly gentleman came in to sort of touch up from the water damage and, and a short time after this, it was noticed that the angel that was repainted was strikingly similar to Giorgio Meloni, the Italian prime minister. And he kind of demurred when he said whether he did it or not. And it attracted a lot of new visitors, which then ended up irritating the priest because he said they came for selfies and not to pray. Which, you know, fair enough, I suppose. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's pretty def. I mean, it definitely seems like her. I don't see how this could have been an accident or some Sort of an accidental or coincidental matter. Look at the, look at the similarities. I mean, I mean, there's no doubt.
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B
Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean, it's definitely her.
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It's definitely her. The funny thing is that, Ben, this is one of the one thing, a rare occasion where we disagree. I am actually a big Georgia Maloney fan. Fan. And I will explain why. I know that she has been very much. She's been a bit squishy on the old populist meat and. Meat and potato issues, but. And I, I will, I will concede that point. However, as a cultural figure, she is a once in a generation talent. She is very witty, she is very quick on her feet. She's very surprised of sassy, even biting. She loves to put macaron in his place, which, I mean, for that alone I will forgive her almost anything. And she's managed to stay. Sorry, my dog has just joined me. She has managed to stay in power for several years now, which, you know, when I was growing up in Italy in the 1980s, it's unheard of. Basically they change governments, you know, routinely several times a year is more often than some people change their socks or to their bedsheets. So, yeah, I think she's really an interesting character. I think that given Italy's infamously corrupt and internecine and complicated layers upon layers of power and bureaucracy and fiefdoms, I think she is something akin to a miracle worker. And she has improved to some degree, even from an outsider. Don't look at me like that. She's improved the, the reputation and perception of the nation. And I'll give you a little, tiny little data point on that. Apparently there's more billion millionaires and billionaires fleeing to Italy now from places like the UK than are going to Dubai. Because Italy seems like a safer bet than the uk Which I admit is not saying very much, but I really appreciate her. Well, as I can say.
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B
No, no, I can't. You're giving me the judge. You're aggravating my acid reflux here. Right. With all this, by the way, it is true that, that Italy is economically competitive for investors, but that's not because of anything that she has done. She's just following through on Matao Renzi's reforms of only like 10 years ago, who was a left wing prime minister by the way. Anyway, she's actually watered down the, the incentives he gave in terms of, of, of, of total tax contributions to, to, for billionaires to come in. And of course the, the UK government is making Rachel Reeves the chances. Making an absolute ham fist of it all. I'm just, just regards, regards to that church and the mural. Right. And here, you know, the running theme of the show, people were going into that church who hadn't been into church for years to see it. Out of curiosity. Can't have people going into church. Right. Can't have people. So, so the cardinal came out with a, with a statement saying he's basically scandalized. And the sacristan, it's like a sacristan that was a genius, I think, very talented guy. He just said, he said, I'm not putting up with this anymore. And he whitewashed, washed over it, destroyed it. It's gone. You can't see anymore that and that, that, that will stop people coming into church. Good on you. Catholic church. And by the way, with all the hypocrisy they were talking about, you know about you can't have political figures or any in devotional Caravaggio. Right. In the Death of the Virgin for the Virgin Mary herself based her depiction on a prostitute that he knew. And that's one of the great works of Western art, sir. Catholic church, yet again, you have failed to rise to the occasion. All right. That.
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C
I wonder if they painted a portrait of Greta Thunberg, would they have left it up?
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B
Of course. Of course. There's no doubt about it. Very quickly, Jenny, where do people go on social media? Your social media is on fire. Where do people go to catch your analysis throughout the week?
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C
So I put out one video essay a week and one interview a Week on YouTube at Saving Culture from itself. And all of my written work is on substack@jennyeholland.substack.com My thanks, Jenny.
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You've been, you've been a champion for this past hour. My thanks to you, my thanks to Will and Spencer in Denver at Real America's Voice, and of course, course to Cameron Wallace. Our producer Steve will be back at 10am tomorrow and we'll be back on Wednesday next week. God bless.
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