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WarRoom Battleground EP 948: Isabel Vaughan-Spruce In Court For Illegally Praying In Public And Apocalypse Director Simón Delacre
WarRoom Battleground EP 948: Isabel Vaughan-Spruce In Court For Illegally Praying In Public And Apocalypse Director Simón Delacre...
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything.
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Ben Harnwell
In the world to stop that, but.
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Steve Bannon
You'Re not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
And where do people like that go.
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Steve Bannon
To share the big lie?
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Simon Delacra
MAGA Media I wish in my soul.
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Steve Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Ben Harnwell
Good evening. Ben Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's war room. 13th of February, Anno Domini 2026. But a great show for you today and someone I've actually had my eye on for a number of years. We're very honored that she's come onto the show today. A great witness, I think, to the, to the inviolable, inviolable principle that God comes first. And that's Isabelle Vaughan Spruce. Now, you recognize Isabel, I'm sure, from photos that you've seen on the Internet, as from the pro life perspective. Isabelle has been repeatedly arrested in the UK for this, for the thought crime of simply presuming to pray outside of an abortion mill. And just this week, thanks to a recent change in the law, Isabelle has been arrested yet again. And I just want to read to you folks what Isabel said at the Birmingham Magistrates Court last Thursday. She said, I've simply stood inside an abortion buffer zone on a public street and silently prayed, meaning my thoughts were turned towards God. Well, you're going to say to me, I know you're going to say, well, how is that a crime? Well, because in the UK the government has, through successive legislation, actually made that illegal. Right. And you'll have seen the these articles in the press because it is absolutely horrific. It's the sort of thing that JD Vance has spoken repeatedly against as the increasing totalitarian attitude throughout the UK and continental Europe. Isabel, welcome on to the show. Very honored, as I say, to have you here this evening. Just why don't you, in your own words, tell us exactly what happened this time round and then reference that what has happened to you? I think you were first arrested in 2023, if I'm not mistaken. Tell us what happened this time around and then how that follows on what has been the State persecuting you over the last few years.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
Yeah. So obviously there's only a limit to what I can say about this situation because it is still current and I'm waiting to go to trial. Just to be clear, I wasn't arrested this time. I have been charged but not arrested. So I've been arrested twice in the past, but this time I was just sent the charge. And obviously I'm charged with breaching the national buffer zone around the abortion center. And I was standing silently, as you've said, near the abortion center, just praying in my head, not interacting with anyone, not attempting to interact with anyone, no posters, no leaflets, just simply standing and silently praying. And that's what I'm going to have to go to court for and face trial over. I was first arrested back in 2022. That was when I was charged with breaching a local buffer zone. So it's a little bit complicated. There's two different laws that are operating here. The first one that I was accused breaching was a kind of local ordinance called a pspo, which is a public space protection order. That's when the local police and the local council work together and they create like a buffer zone around the abortion center where certain behavior is prohibited, like protesting and forms of protest connected to abortion might be prohibited. Obviously I wasn't protesting. I actually never protest outside abortion centers. I was just silently praying in that area. And I was arrested and I went to court in 2023 and was completely acquitted. A few weeks later. I went and stood on exactly the same spot and did, if you can say, did exactly the same thing. I was just thinking in my head while standing there. I was rearrested by six police officers who took me away in a police van. They told me that my prayers were an offence. And again I was charged, but that charge was dropped after six months. But even after that, police continued to come out, gave me tickets, told me I was going to be fined and eventually I made a claim against the police for wrongful arrest and false imprisonment and I was awarded an out of court settlement. But now that we have national buffer zones, which came in on October 31, 2024, that's what I've actually been charged with, breaching the national buffer zone. So around every abortion center in the country now there is 150 meter radius where certain actions are prohibited. But I should be clear, it's still a public street. Members of the public are there often. These streets are residential streets where people live in, so people are allowed in these zones. It's not like some sort of area where only that's private property. It's still a public street and the public is still allowed on them. And I believe as a member of the public, just because I'm a Christian or a Catholic or hold pro life beliefs that I should still be allowed inside this zone. So I'm awaiting to go to trial at the moment.
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Ben Harnwell
I noticed at the Magistrates Court you did say that you were simply praying to yourself in interior and dialogue with God. What would have happened? And that's very, that's very much taking a position. On the one hand that is exactly what the law would appear to prohibit. But on the other hand, as your lawyer has cited, that would go pretty cleanly against the European Convention on Human Rights and the freedom of religion. Freedom to express religion. That's going to be an interesting challenge. But can I ask you, why did you say at the Magistrates Court that you were praying? Why did you simply say you just standing there thinking to yourselves?
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
Because I wasn't just thinking to myself. My heart was turned towards God, which is what I believe prayer is. And I don't believe that's something that I should have to try and conceal. The police asked me what I was doing when they came to speak to me outside the abortion center and I told them that I was interiorly praying. Nothing out loud, nothing that was manifest to anyone else. But yeah, I don't feel I should have to keep that a secret if I'm asked.
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Ben Harnwell
Quite right. You know, when I said at the beginning that you're a heroic witness and that's exactly the attitude because you could have said I was just standing, I was thinking about directions of where I wanted to walk, but telling them, I.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
Suppose I should just say at times maybe I was. You know, a lot of us when we pray we don't, you know, manage to keep our thoughts directly on God the whole time. Sometimes I got distracted and might have thought about sandwiches, you know, but it wouldn't have made any difference to my outward appearance. Nobody walking past would know the difference.
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Ben Harnwell
Are you going to keep on doing this?
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
I can't really comment on anything like that at the moment. As I say, I do have to be careful because I'm going to trial. So obviously talking about what I'm doing at the moment might not be, you know, a helpful thing to do. So yeah, I'll probably have to wait till we, you know, we go to court and say more.
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Ben Harnwell
There's. I've just been through a number of court cases. I've got one Right at the moment here in it, I understand entirely. When the press ask questions, sometimes you just have to say, this is sub u de chat. I can't answer it. For prudential reasons and also out of respect for the court, I will continue to ask the questions to you, Isabel, by all means, absolutely. Say, you know what, I'll pass on that. Come back and ask me when this particular trial is through. That's entirely legitimate of you to say that. What's the reaction been in the UK to this? Because you are, if I'm not mistaken, you are the first person now to be charged under the new legislation.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
So under the national buffer zones, I'm the first person to be charged with silently praying. But as I'm sure you're aware, under the pspos, we have Adam Smith Connor, who has actually been criminalized now simply for silently praying near an abortion center. He was praying for his deceased son who was aborted, and he was actually convicted in court. That was under the local buffer zones. As well as Livia Tassici Bolt, who was just holding a sign that said here to talk if you want, inside the buffer zone. And she was also convicted. And again, that was under the local buffer zone. So we've already seen that happen. We've got Rose Docherty up in Scotland who, again, like myself, is awaiting trial. Rose was holding a poster in a buffer zone in Scotland that said, coercion is a crime. Here to talk only if you want. And she's having to go to court to defend that. So, yeah, we're seeing a lot of Christians being taken to court, whether it's to do with their prayers or simply for offering to have a consensual conversation with people who might want to speak to them.
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Ben Harnwell
Tell me one thing before we go to a quick shout out to one of our show's sponsors in two minutes time. Tell me what the reaction has been like from the Catholic hierarchy, that is to say, for a largely evangelical audience. The Catholic bishops in. In the uk, how supportive have they been?
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
Yeah, I have to say. So I organize something called 40 Days for Life, which a lot of people might be familiar with in Birmingham. So that's 40 days of prayer, obviously, at the moment, it's just outside the buffer zone. We have a lot of priests who participate in that and, you know, have been really, really supportive and helpful towards myself. So we have a rotor of priests, so that one priest goes every single day to pray as part of the 40 days for life. So we feel really blessed here. And as well, I You know, I have had bishops who've been very supportive towards me. So I do feel that actually I've had a lot of support from the church and interestingly, from people of very different beliefs as well. So I've had a lot of people contacting me saying things like, I don't share your beliefs, but I think you should be able to pray. Or, you know, I'm, I'm, I. Well, they would describe themselves as being pro choice. That's not a term I would use. But they, they would call themselves pro choice, but say, I still think that you should be able to, you know, silently pray on any public street you want. So it's interesting to see how united actually people are in recognizing that this is really an infringement on freedoms and is really serious discrimination.
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Ben Harnwell
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
Yes, wobbushly, anything private I would think that's probably best that I keep private unless they've asked to be made public. But the bishops of Scotland, for instance, they've made a public statement, a unified public statement about buffer zones which can be found online, which I felt was a really good strong statement. And I know, as I say, bishops in England and Wales who've been very supportive whether people have mentioned my name. Exactly. But I think a lot of them have really recognized the concerns there are about buffer zones and you know, the infringement on freedoms. So yeah, I do think on this issue that they are awake and they are concerned and I do feel like I've been supported by the church on this issue.
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Ben Harnwell
Superb.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
But I mean with regards to what you were just. Sorry, carry on.
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Ben Harnwell
No, no, please, please. I didn't mean to interrupt you.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
No, I was only going to just carry on to mention what you were just saying about, you know, support from people who've maybe had got different beliefs. And that's not just here in England. I've been really kind of overwhelmed by people in other countries who've got in contact and you know, like I say, made a point of saying, well, they don't share my beliefs, they do share my concerns. And I think quite right to be concerned because, you know, if Christians are being discriminated now or, you know, or pro lifers are being discriminated against at the moment, it could be anyone who falls foul of the popular ideology in the country. And I think, you know, if we, if we don't stand against it right from the start, then I think it, you know, it's certainly looking like it could get a lot worse.
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Ben Harnwell
Tell me about your personal formation. What is there in your background that has given you the courage to publicly stand up and have the. The spiritual strength to challenge the system, when so many of our fellow Catholics, they might agree with you in principle, they might even agree in the idea that, you know, it's ridiculous and one should be able to pray outside an abortion clinic, but haven't actually made that step to do so. How is it that you have found yourself in this position of, as we say, since they introduced the national buffer zones, of being the first person to be charged under the present legislation, but also having. Having repeatedly pushed up on the local council level. What is it in your background that has given you this, in terms of formation, that has given you the strength to make this position?
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
Yeah, firstly, I wouldn't want it to look like I'm speaking against other Catholics who are maybe doing different things. I know some really good, strong Catholics and who've been very, very supportive to me. But, you know, just speaking purely about myself and my own formation, I was brought up as a Catholic. My dad's been dead for many years now. But I, you know, I would like to credit him with helping to form me. And, you know, as a Catholic, I believe he's still helping me from.
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Ben Harnwell
From.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
From up there. So, yeah, I had a really strong Catholic father, which, you know, was a great guidance for me as a child. I know we had quite a big house that was up on the hills. We lived and there was a local psychiatric hospital where it was. It was more of a community where adults with severe psychiatric problems lived. And it closed down and a lot of these people were sent to live out in the community. And of course, they couldn't, you know, because they'd never lived in, you know, out in society. You know, they'd always lived in this enclosed. And so my dad opened our home. There were six of us children, but he opened our home to many of these people with severe mental health problems, you know, bipolar or schizophrenia and things. We were taught to call them the guests. Some of them lived with us for weeks, some for years. And I think it really taught me to value individuals for who they are rather than for, you know, what they can achieve or for, you know, their academic success. And I think that was a real huge help in my upbringing. And I hope that's kind of extended into my view of what pro life really is, to really value each and every person for who they are, no matter what they may or may not achieve in life. Just that value of being created in the image and likeness of God. And of course, that begins at conception.
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Ben Harnwell
Did you ever think when you were younger that you would one day end up taking such a public position against the. The British state on this kind of issue? Or did you sort of find yourself simply refusing to yield and refusing to bend and, and from the formation that you developed the faith that you. That you had as a child growing up, that sort of kicked in and gave you the stance? Actually, no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna obey this. I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna take a stand because it's the right thing to do without actually seeking, without deliberately saying stuff. I'm gonna make, make it. I'm gonna. I'm gonna find this issue and, and, and. And take a public stand. Do you get what I'm saying here? There are two ways. Did you say that you had, did you have the vocation? Did you feel when you were younger that you're the sort of person who had a vocation to come and challenge the state on this kind of issue? Or did it just sort of find you the issue and from inside you had the strength just to say, no, I'm not putting up on with this.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
I guess. First, Jose, I'm not sure I describe myself as publicly challenging the state. I just believe that I should be allowed to silently pray. And I believe legally I am allowed to do that. When I was younger. My faith has always been of very much importance to me, and I think my relationship with God has grown. I believe that is something that. That isn't just something that affects, you know, certain aspects of my life or my private life. My, My faith is everything to me. I have a kind of a motto, if you, if you like that, you know, view every moment in light of eternity. And, And I think that kind of helps to guide my decisions. That if I. If I think, you know, how will this decision look when I one day face to face with God, you know, over that, that table of, you know, on Judgment day, what will the decisions I make look like then? And I think that helps to kind of make me See the bigger picture of what's really important. Obviously, like everyone else, I'm not saying I always get it right, but I think that's how I try and view things, you know, particularly maybe more critical decisions in my life. And certainly that helps maybe guide me on the pro life issue and issues maybe that might be considered to be slightly more challenging in today's society.
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Ben Harnwell
You just said something really quite profound. And if you could, because we're running up now to the rate to the close of the show, I would really like to ask you what you meant by that and whether that's a teaching moment. You said that you found your. That your faith has been deepened throughout the process of you showing. I mean, I would say that you're showing witness to the kingdom of Jesus Christ, the superior superiority of the kingdom of Christ over the. Over the. Over the. The laws of men. But what did you tell me, just if you want to give me a minute or two about your. That sensation of growing in faith, growing in intimacy with Christ because you have taken this. This position.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
Yeah, again, just making it clear. When I'm on the streets, I'm not necessarily making a public witness. This is something I'm just privately thinking and my thoughts are turned towards God. But, yeah, I think, in a way, you know, and many people before me have said that, haven't they, that, you know, with your faith, you can't stay stagnant. You're either going backwards or you're going forwards. And I think there's always that push to go forward in your faith. And a lot of the challenges and obstacles that come kind of help you recognize that. That you've got to keep pushing forward. And they're always challenging you to get deeper and deeper.
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Ben Harnwell
And.
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
And of course, that means sometimes that you might lose certain things in your life, whether, you know, whatever that might be, whether that's financially or acquaintances or prospects or whatever it might be for people. But then you always gain so much more. And that deepening of that relationship with God, for those who kind of experience that, they'll know that there's nothing that compares with that when you. And in a way, the more that you abandon yourself to God, the more beautiful that that really does become. Because, you know, in a way then you feel. Well, you don't just feel, you know, that there's a certain detachment from other things. And that is. That is a real sense of freedom, you know, And I guess this is what this. This whole thing is all about is about freedom. The freedom, you know, to be able to, in my case, silently pray. And I think that freedom is really rooted in, in that abandonment to God.
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Ben Harnwell
Isabelle, I can only say what I said at the beginning of the show. It's a real honor to have you on the show. You probably don't think that you're offering heroic witness, but I think it's very fair for other people to say that about you if that's what they think. And I absolutely do think that. In the, in the closing minute and a half, do you want to say a few words about the March for life or 40 days for life or even the ADF that's that's represented, that's providing the legal representation for you on, on these issues? How can people get involved basically? How can they support you?
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Isabelle Vaughan Spruce
Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I'm very grateful to adf who Alliance Defending Freedom, who've been very supportive to me throughout. So, yeah, I, one of the directors at March for Life uk Amongst many other things that we do throughout the year, we have an annual march which is on the 5th of September in London. We have people coming from actually all over the world now to come and join and we'd love people to get involved in that. So please do get in touch. We have a pro life summit in the morning and then we have a big procession through the streets of London and end at Parliament Square. So that's a fantastic initiative to get involved in and really encourage people to come and join us. And many people throughout the world will know about 40 days for life. Obviously this is something that started in America, but a lot of countries have, you know, adapted it to suit their own cultures. And I believe that in the UK it's adapted to suit our own culture here. Starting next week on Ash Wednesday and continuing for 40 days, we'll be praying near the abortion center. And for those of you, you know, who maybe haven't ever done that before, again, I just really encourage you to, to get involved. Go onto the 40 days for life website and find the nearest place to you where you can just come along and pray there. Obviously we go for other people, but it really transforms ourselves. And I can certainly say that for me, it's really helped to transform me by doing that.
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Ben Harnwell
Isabel Vaughan Spruce, very, very deeply honored and touched that you came onto the show today. Please come back and let us know how going for you. We'll keep you in our prayers.
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Ben Harnwell
It. Sam. The Apocalypse of St. John. Discover the true apocalypse. Welcome back. Well, there are trailers that make you say to yourself, can't wait for that film to come out. I want to watch it. And there are trailers that are so good about the film that they're that they're previewing. You say, I can't wait for the film to come out. I want to watch it now. The the writer, producer and director of The Apocalypse of St. John, Simon Delacra joins me now, I think live from Argentina. Simon, thanks for coming on the show. That looks an absolutely superb film and I know it's been like in the top 10 throughout Latin America since it's been released. In a couple of days time there will be. You've got 800 theaters booked throughout the United States. To preview this in America, Tell me a bit about the film that you've made. Why now? Why are you doing a film on one of the most fascinating and enigmatic of the 27 books of the New Testament right now, at this point in human history?
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Simon Delacra
Well, we are living very confusing times, very strange times, times of crisis, of great crisis. And I believe people sense this and start thinking why things are happening, why everything seems to be so crazy with gender, ideology, so much conflicts around the world. We have the war in Gaza and Israel, the war Ukraine, Russia. And there are much more conflicts, armed conflicts going around. Not only that, but also the great confusion within the church, within Christianity, the great apostasy. I believe it's happening right now. And that makes people think, what's going on? Why so much chaos in life and people that turn to prophecies every time they hit a crisis like this. And I thought it was very important to put out the good prophecy, the main prophecy in the Bible that is Revelation, and show it as it is in the Bible, described in the Bible and also accompanied by an interpretation. Because a revelation is written mostly in symbols. It's very symbolic. When I first read it, I found it very confusing. And that's when I started studying what it meant through great scholars and interpreters, mainly Catholic ones. That's what. What I. I studied since I'm a Catholic. All of them rooted, deeply rooted in the Fathers of the Church, in the early Fathers of the Church. And the idea was not only to show the visions of Revelation as they are, but also try to explain them. Because if not many times people only stay with the idea of fear and they think it's a scary book. But if you see it with the right lens, you see that Revelation is actually a prophecy of the triumph of good over evil, of the second coming of Christ. And it just gives to all these crises we are living today a new perspective. It gives it a perspective of hope. That's the main goal of the movie and my main goal doing the this film. Why now? I've been studying it for about 15 years. The movie started to be produced five years ago. And why now? I think it's just Providence. It already released in more than 20 countries across America with great success. And why in America? It's just a matter of providence.
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Ben Harnwell
So there is an eschatological dimension then, to you making this. This film at this moment in time?
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Simon Delacra
Yes, absolutely. As I was saying, this crisis is when you start studying the book of Revelation and all the prophecies, you Find out that we are actually living the end times. How long the end times are going to be, we don't know. Jesus Christ himself says that we cannot know the day or the hour, but he also says that we should be looking to the signs to know when the time is soon, when the time is near. And that's what the movie does. The movie takes the signs, tries to analyze them and explain them, and contrast it with real life, actual life facts from our time and try to discern if we are in fact living the end times.
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Ben Harnwell
That's, that's quite an unusual way of seeing this because there's definitely an apostasy taking place in the Catholic Church right now. That, that I think is, is undeniable, has been for, for quite a few decades. And most people find the, the reality of looking at that apostasy, it harms their faith. It makes. It makes belief more difficult when they're looking at an apostasy that's taking place right around them. That's not the case then with you. You're seeing the apostasy and you're actually finding that your faith is growing as you see that. Is that correct?
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Simon Delacra
Yeah, that's correct. And that is an excellent point. That's one of the things that led me to study Revelation. I saw the Church, the Catholic Church, being infiltrated by modernism, by Freemasons, and how can this be possible? But when you go and study the prophecies and you see that all this was foretold, and not only it was foretold, but it was foretold with so many details. It was foretold by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24, it was foretold by the letters of St. Paul, and it is foretold in Revelation. You have the false prophet and you have all these signs that start to make sense on our reality that if you don't have the Bible, you don't have revelation to turn to, it really just generates confusion and desperation. So knowing the signs gives you this perspective I was talking about the second coming of Christ is close. And that for believers, is a matter of comfort and hope and happiness in the midst of all this crisis.
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Ben Harnwell
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Simon Delacra
That's correct. Absolutely. The harder things get, also that makes people rise and work harder. Sanctity is stronger when things are more difficult. If everything was easy, nothing is demanded from us. What's where, where's the merit? Right? So in this time of huge crisis, when one stands out and tries to be saint in, in the middle of all this apostasy, that gives a lot of merit and that is part of God's plan. So studying Revelation you see that all this chaos is not really chaos, it's part of our plan that God is, is God of history and that everything is leading up to the second coming, to the final victory. So that way you getting encouraged. For example, my mother was a pro life activist here in Argentina all her life and she always took us to the marches for life and everything here and everything seems so backwards because we got defeat after defeat after faith in the fight for life. And that is really discouraging. But when you see that all this, all this apostasy, not only of the church but also of the nations. If you think that Argentina and most nations in Europe were Christian and today Christianity is being withdrawn from societies in all those nations, those nations became apostates also. And that's a sign of the, of the, of the, the, the close triumph of good over evil. So that gives you hope and invites you to fight stronger. Even though it may seem you are, you are losing.
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Ben Harnwell
One. One of the interesting dynamics about this show about the war room is that pretty much all of the Catholics involved in it, Steve Bannon, myself, Jack Posobic, we're all traditional Catholics. And yet most of you know, a huge proportion of the, the audience, the warm audience are Bible believing evangelicals. And it's interesting to see the, the synthesis that's taking place right now between traditional Catholicism and conservative by Biblical, Biblically based on evangelicalism. Tell me something about the film that you've made. You say that your formation is Catholic and that's where you went to, to the Church Fathers as the source of inspiration for, for the film. But tell me something about how evangelicals will react to this film and why they might be interested to come and see it.
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Simon Delacra
Well, I think that revelation has been for a long time in the hands of evangelicals. For some reason the church neglected preaching the Second Coming last centuries. I don't know why that is probably because of the apostasy. But evangelicals, they never cease to preach the second Coming. They know and they understand that the second coming is close, I think is core in their preaching. And they'll find that this movie is all about that is trying to make inside the Catholic Church what they have been doing for years. Just preach the Second Coming and announce it to everyone who wants to hear about it.
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Ben Harnwell
Just finally with regards to America right now there is somewhat of a revival that's taking place not just in America, we're seeing it in the UK as well. And on our Wednesday show we're pointing out across continental Europe signs of this. There seems to be a double movement taking place specifically within the Catholic Church, but not exclusively. Huge numbers of people are peeling away from the church in huge numbers. But it's like a ratio perhaps one to 100, one to a thousand, because for every thousand people, every thousand persons who are leaving, one person is coming in. But I want to say something about that one person who's coming in because this is really very interesting. And that's what I mean when I say there's a double movement going on. The guys that a lot of young men, a lot of 20 year old men, and not just in the Catholic Church, also in the evangelical communities as well, are coming to the church for the first time now. And they're looking at Christianity for the first time. Part of this is to do with social media and what's been happening over recent years. Part of it's to do with the Trump resurgency, the Trump presidency. Part of it's to do with the brutal assassination and public martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. But these trends are coming together and there is a revival taking place. How do you think? Just give me. Because we're coming up to the end of the show in a couple of moments. Just tell me how. And I'm sure you've noticed this revival taking place as well. Again, it's young, 20 year old guys, Generation Z. And these people are on fire with the faith. They are absolutely superb. These are the kids that will have say sort of crusader icons on their social media avatars. Tell me what they can sort of draw out from your film as they make their journey towards ever deeper faith with Jesus Christ.
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Simon Delacra
Well, the movie tries to transmit the message through the study of the revit of the prophecies. The message that God will not ask us account of our victories, but he will ask us account of our scars. So it's an invitation to fight the good fight. I think they find it very encouraging this movie to that mean to fight the good fight. And also they will learn a lot about the history of everything of Christianity from the first coming to the second coming. Since the movie deals with the prophecy that is more historical, that leads, that is in the words of St. Augustine says that the prophecy of Revelation embraces all the time from the first coming of Christ to the second coming. And this movie will help them see in that timeline from the first coming to the second coming where we are standing. And since we are in the war room, one of the main aspects of war is knowing where you're standing in the face of your enemy to be able to give the battle. So that's what the movie provides. It gives you a perspective of where we are standing now related to the history of salvation and also invites you to fight and prepare for the invites one to prepare the kingdom of God and be waiting for the second coming, for the return the king. So Christ is king and that's how we should live and that's how we should try to to work to make our nations Christ centered. Recognizing that Christ is king and the king is returning.
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Ben Harnwell
That's absolutely superb. So look, we've reached now reach the end of the show and that's how quickly time flies. I said at the beginning that this is now you is across 800 theaters in America for these few days. I think it's the 15th, 16th and 17th. Where do people go to get more information about this? Perhaps they might want to speak to their church leaders to book a whole church outing as a group to come and see the film. Tell me where the what the points of reference are to get that block booking in to come and see the film.
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Simon Delacra
Well, people can find information about theaters and get tickets in Apocalypse Rebuild.com or in Fathom Entertainment.com and of course, yeah, invite everyone you can. I think it's a great opportunity to have a topic of discussion among friends, among parish, parishioners, among family and you will find it very interesting, very enlightening and very entertaining because the visions of St. John in Revelation are very spectacular.
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Ben Harnwell
Simon Delacre, just one more time, where was that website?
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Simon Delacra
They need to go to apocalypse rebuild.com there you can access all the information.
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Ben Harnwell
That's all we've got time for today. Thanks to my guest Simone Delacra and Isabelle Vaughan Spruce. We'll be back same time next week. I want to thank special thanks for Will and his crack team at Real America's America's Voice in Denver. And of course, Vittorio Santi Franco, the all family pharmacy.
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