WarRoom Battleground EP 956: SSPX episcopal consecrations — which are absolutely necessary — are smoking out all the “fake Trads”

Summary

Podcast Summary: WarRoom Battleground EP 956

Title: SSPX Episcopal Consecrations — Which Are Absolutely Necessary — Are Smoking Out All the “Fake Trads”
Date: February 25, 2026
Host: Ben Harnwell
Guests: Frank Walker (Canon 212), with recurring commentary from Steve Bannon

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Overview

This episode is a deep dive into the crisis within the Catholic Church, focusing on the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) episcopal consecrations and their implications for traditionalist ("Trad") Catholicism. Ben Harnwell and Frank Walker analyze the divisions among clergy and laity, the impact of Vatican II, and the hierarchy’s response to migration and politics. The discussion brings to light the perceived hypocrisy and politicization of the Vatican, the relevance of true Catholic tradition, and the role of SSPX as a litmus test for fidelity to the faith versus loyalty to hierarchy.

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Main Discussion Points

1. The SSPX Consecrations: A Defining Moment for Trad Catholicism

(Beginning – 15:09)

• Background: The episode opens with the context of the SSPX decision to consecrate new bishops on July 1, without Vatican approval—echoing the controversial 1988 actions of Archbishop Lefebvre.
• Core Question: The central debate: Is a Catholic's primary obedience owed to Jesus Christ or to the institutional Church hierarchy?
  • Harnwell (04:15): “The position... on the war room is that the Catholic laity cannot trust the bishops, the cardinals, the popes, the hierarchy in general. And that in order to safeguard the faith... we need to take the running of this church into our own hands.”
• "Fake Trads": Harnwell argues this is a “litmus test”: Will Catholics support SSPX and tradition, or side with the Pope and the hierarchy?
• Exposure of Grifters: The consecrations are “smoking out” those who profit from “trad” labels but ultimately side with Rome.

Notable Reaction to Cardinals Sarah and Müller:

• Both respected as "trad" sympathizers, these cardinals opposed the SSPX move—revealing, in the hosts’ view, their alignment with Vatican II and the institutional status quo.
  • Harnwell (07:15): “Were you surprised that these two great luminaries... turned out to be company men?”
  • Frank Walker (07:53): “No. No, I wasn’t surprised at all... Cardinal Müller was part of Benedict’s head of doctrine... he was involved in the SSPX... demanding confirmation to Vatican II.”

2. Tradition vs. Vatican II: The Source of Division

(15:10 – 20:15)

• Definition of Tradition: Walker notes “traditional Catholicism” is inaccurate: true Catholic faith is inherently traditional.
• Critique of Vatican II: Vatican II is pinpointed as the major rupture—those who adhere to its reforms are not authentically traditional.
  • Harnwell (11:53): “The traditional movement goes way beyond the Latin Mass... the key point of rupture.”
• Double Standards: The hosts decry how only the SSPX is accused of schism, whereas ecumenical outreach to other Christians (Anglicans, Orthodox, Evangelicals) gets a “free pass.”
  • Harnwell (13:30): “The further... you are from the Catholic faith, the more of a free pass you get.”

Quote Highlight:

• Frank Walker (15:09): “I call it sort of a Nazi unity, a unity of force, a unity of fear, of compulsion. That’s not Christian, that’s not Catholic. Catholic is a unity of faith.”

3. Faithfulness and Disobedience: SSPX as a Model

(17:30 – 18:40)

• SSPX’s Stand: Upholding Catholic doctrine sometimes requires disobedience to hierarchy pushing “anti-Catholic” innovations.
  • Frank Walker (15:55): “The SSPX has stood on Catholic faith and they stood to the point of having to disobey when it’s broken.”
  • He references LifeSite News and other media now openly defending SSPX.
• Criticism of Cardinal Müller: Labeled as a “liberation theologist,” accused of doubting key dogmas: the Virgin Birth, transubstantiation.

Notable Quote:

• Walker (15:59): “Our God is not arbitrary. It’s not Islam. It’s based on timeless laws that come from God himself who will never change.”

4. The Politics of the Church: Immigration and Power

(24:00 – 26:44, 32:24 – 43:43)

• Leo's Concern for Spain: Pope Leo’s "greatest concern" is not mass illegal immigration, but the rise of what he brands “the far right” (i.e., Catholics opposing the agenda).

  • Harnwell (26:02): “That’s Leo’s church, which is not the church of Jesus Christ.”
  • Walker (24:08): “He’s worried about the extreme right instrumentalizing the Catholic faith. As if there was nothing on. When they say extreme right, they really mean... the Catholics.”

• Church's Role in Immigration:

  • Harnwell (32:24): “The institutional Church is sponsoring the invasion, the third world illegal invasion across the West.”
  • The Vatican, they claim, profits from mass migration (“grifting,” hundreds of millions in the US).
  • Frank Walker (35:09): “He’s coming over here from the Vatican and worried about our policy on migration... all the phony baloney moralizing that comes along with it.”

• Theological Clarification: Only baptism makes one a child of God in Catholic theology, countering Vatican messaging that all migrants are instantly “children of God.”

  • Harnwell (39:13): “According to the traditional classic theology, we only become children of God on baptism.”

• US Bishops' Political Activism:

  • 18 bishops lobbied President Trump’s State of the Union to liberalize immigration/asylum.
  • Walker (41:23): “The US Catholic bishops are the Democratic Party at prayer... They want to hammer at the deportation program. It’s a completely political democrat process to gum up the entire works.”

5. Weaponizing Religious Language

(43:43 – End)

• Vatican Lenten Retreat & Instrumentalization of Faith:

  • Norwegian Cistercian Bishop Erik Varden led a retreat warning against "using the Gospel as a weapon," criticizing political figures who pair religious symbolism with policy stances.
  • Harnwell (43:43): “That is exactly what the institutional Vatican is doing. That is its meat and drink, that is its shtick.”
  • The Vatican’s own advocacy is couched in Catholic symbolism to legitimize politics.
  • Walker (48:15): “They're taking that agency and they're saying, you know, that's just weaponizing. That's just instrumentalizing... if a Catholic does it, then it's weaponizing.”

• Critique of Pacifism:

  • Bishop Varden's pacifist approach denounced as un-Catholic; anger, when righteous, is necessary action (citing St. Thomas Aquinas).
  • Walker (50:30): “In Leo's church and Bishop Varden’s Lenten retreat, anger is always wrong. Anger is always a sin. So, yeah, it's all one church.”

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• Harnwell on SSPX’s Challenge:
  • “It’s a great litmus test. The Catholic Church divides down into a very neat up or down vote on this one. Are you going to support Catholic the SSPX or not? Yes or no?” [06:01]
• Frank Walker on Church Power:
  • “I call it sort of a Nazi unity, a unity of force, a unity of fear, of compulsion. That's not Christian, that's not Catholic.” [15:09]
• Harnwell on Vatican Double Standards:
  • “The further you are away from the unchanging Catholic faith, the more of a free pass you get.” [14:26]
• Walker critiquing Cardinal Müller:
  • “Cardinal Müller cast doubt on transubstantiation, which is what actually happens in Holy Communion.” [16:44]
• Harnwell on Vatican politics:
  • “That's Leo's church, which is not the church of Jesus Christ.” [26:02]
• Frank Walker on Bishops’ Political Role:
  • “The US Catholic bishops are the Democratic Party at prayer.” [41:23]
• Harnwell on Vatican’s Lenten retreat messaging:
  • “That is exactly what the institutional Vatican is doing. That is its meat and drink, that is its shtick. It legitimizes that radical position with religious iconography.” [44:00]
• Walker on “weaponization” accusations:
  • “They're taking that agency ... that's just weaponizing. That's just instrumentalizing. And so they can do it … But if a Catholic does it, then it's weaponizing.” [48:15]

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Key Takeaways

• The SSPX episcopal consecrations are viewed by the hosts as an existential moment for Catholics: one must choose between tradition (the faith as always taught) and the institutional Church’s current hierarchy (seen as compromised by Vatican II and political interests).
• The episode is deeply critical of Vatican II, arguing it fundamentally broke continuity with prior Catholic tradition.
• There is substantial criticism of the Church hierarchy for perceived politicization—especially regarding immigration policy and its financial incentives—as well as hypocrisy about the “weaponization” of faith.
• Key Catholic figures once seen as sympathetic to tradition are, in the hosts’ estimation, exposed as “company men” when push comes to shove on issues like SSPX.
• Using Catholic identity to shield political goals (whether by bishops, the Vatican, or lay politicians) is called out as instrumentalization—something the hosts accuse their opponents of doing while denouncing it themselves.

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Resources & Further Engagement

• Canon 212 (Frank Walker): canon212.com and on Twitter (@canon212, spelled out)
• LifeSite News & Chris Jackson: Referenced for further analysis of Vatican and SSPX developments
• Getter & Rumble: Social platforms discussed as uncensored sources for conservative Catholic news

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is essential listening for anyone interested in the rift within the Catholic Church over tradition, authority, and political involvement. With pointed critiques, historical context, and sharp commentary, Harnwell and Walker challenge Catholics to examine where their loyalty truly lies—as well as what is at stake in contemporary Church controversies.

Transcript

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[Frank Walker]

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[Frank Walker]

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[Frank Walker]

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[Harnwell]

Wednesday, 25th of February, Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room for the usual weekly review of all the news and developments in Christendom. And coming up on the show today, we have for you Pope Leo, Holy Pope Leo, the holiest man the Catholic Church has ever produced, has announced what his great fear is for the kingdom of Spain. You'll want to you'll want to stay tuned for that. It's not what you might think it will be or it is. Depends if you how much attention you've been paying watching the War ROOM we also have the news and developments of the Vatican's agitation for the Third World illegal invasion taking place in Europe and America. And we also have news of the US Bishops trying to intervene on the President's State of the Union address, which fortunately, I don't think he paid too much attention to. I that's coming up on the show. Frank Walker, as always, founder and editor in Chief of Canon 212. Really the the source for it, trad Catholics, but not exclusively trad Catholics. Catholics generally, not exclusively Catholics, but also evangelicals as well. But it is the it is the Drudge Report for traditional Catholicism, of that there is no doubt. Frank Walker joins me this evening to help navigate the developments. Frank, we're starting off with what I think is the big development right now in the Catholic Church. And it's really an issue that hasn't gone away since 1988 when Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops without the Vatican's approval and according to some, incurred automatic lati sententiae excommunication. And when I say this has been an issue that's been bubbling for about 40 years, 38 years, there is the unresolved question which I don't think has really been resolved by the SSPX certainly hasn't been resolved by Rome. And that is of course to whom is a faithful Catholic's primary obedience due? Is it to Jesus Christ or is it to the Hierarchy? Now, normally 1962 years, there was never much doubt over that because the two were the same. Not anymore, not since the Second Vatican Council. Hence the drama of the present situation and hence different Catholics interpretations of how to navigate that. Archbishop Lefebvre had his idea of what to do and that is in order to safeguard the unchanging Catholic faith handed down from Jesus Christ via the apostles to today to the modern age. In order to guarantee the coherence of that faith, he took the step, as I was saying, of consecrating four bishops, of which I think two died, leaving two and the Society, therefore the Society of Pope St. Pius X, popularly known in English as DSS PX or the Lefebvreus, have decided to proceed on July 1 and consecrate. I think it's five new bishops to assist the work of the Society. And Frank Walker, hand over to you on this. Right, as I see it, this is really the crisis now for the Church and for Tradinc to decide on which side they are going to come down. Are they going to be loyal to the Pope or, or are they going to be loyal to tradition? And it's a great litmus test. I think the, the, the, the Catholic Church really divides down into a very neat up or down vote on this one. Are you going to support Catholic the SSPX or not? Yes or no? And of course, Frank Walker, as we, you and I have long suspected, a lot of the people who are lining down, lining up alongside loyalty to, to Rome are those entities that have been grifting off traditional Catholicism for years, if not decades. And of course now they are being smoked out right now. And this is. We'll start. Let me start with asking you this question right now. A number of cardinals have come out, some of these the great white hopes of traditional Catholics. We always looked at the smoke signals, thinking that they were really on side. Now surely these guys, you know, the hints, showing a little bit of angle here, a little bit of ankle there. These guys are really sort of, they know where we're coming from. And yet here they are, Cardinal Sarah and Cardinal Muller, they've both come out and indicated that the SSPX should not proceed with these consecrations. As I say, it's an up or down vote this one, folks. And the position that we've had on the war room is that the Catholic laity cannot trust the bishops, the cardinals, the popes, the hierarchy in general. And that in order to safeguard the faith and the coherence of the Catholic Church, we need to take the running of this church into our own hands. And people, instead of coming home, don't be so extreme. There are some good cardinals. Tell us. Let me ask you this, Frank Walker. Were you surprised that these two great luminaries who've been on the circuit selling, celebrating, offering, saying a little tlm here and a little tlm there, were you surprised that when push came to shove, they. They turned out to be company men?

[Frank Walker]

No. No, I wasn't surprised at all. Cardinal Mueller, first, I want to say that when I started doing this work 17 years ago, I never thought of myself as a trad. I just thought of myself as a Catholic. But the. That the me, the regular media was sort of standoffish to people that were going to the Latin Mass and. But I thought these people should have a voice too. They have. They say good things, they're faithful. And then other people started saying, well, Canon 212, that's a trad site, that's traditional and they should follow it. So I've always thought, and I'm sure you probably do too, and for your readers that aren't in the middle of this stuff, traditional, what they call traditional Catholicism, I think it's kind of a smear because it's like as we love tradition, but really we just love the Catholic faith. And the Catholic faith is old and it's traditional, it goes back to Christ a while. So I would think. And it's even more prominent what you're talking about here today. It's really just Catholic. And so, yeah, and there are a lot of grifters and there are people who have taken positions against the traditional movement. Cardinal Mueller was part of. Benedict was Benedict's head of doctrine. And Francis says for a while there too, and he was involved in the SSPX and their relationship with the church and demanding that they have a doctrinal fealty, that they convey it and they confirm it to Vatican II when nobody else is required to do that about Vatican ii. It's not a doctrinal. It doesn't make doctrinal statements. There are uncatholic things in there, in their opinion. So I'm not surprised that Cardamuller has come back to hit them again just like he did, you know, 10 years ago or whenever. And, and Cardinal Seurat has been very quiet, very, very quiet for, you know, ever since he was sort of let out of Francis's curia. And all of a sudden he's out there again. He's saying that the SSPX are outside the boat now, and God would never require anybody to ever have to chew, make that kind of choice before. You're always absolutely right when you stay in the boat with Peter, but, you know, Peter is supposed to be Catholic. And the wonderful thing about all these, you know, I guess we talked about this before, that they're getting ready to consecrate bishops. You said five new bishops, but I didn't hear that number five, but that would be great news. They're getting ready to consecrate and they're doing it so forcefully. And, and that, and the relationship between Kissy Fernandez, the head of doctrine, who is mediating this thing for Leo, and, and Father Pal Urani, is so stark, the difference between them, too, that it's all very positive. They've. They've said, okay, well, we were under the gun of excommunication. You've made that clear already. We're not going to go, we're not going to dialogue with you anymore, because that's not really a dialogue, but that's just a threat. And we're going to go ahead anyway. This time around, there's a lot more power because people realize that Leo and Francis and their, their apparatus is not Catholic.

[Harnwell]

It's a big difference. So, so much. Firstly, I have to say, when I'm sort of preparing for the show, I sort of go through a huge number of articles, both in English and Italian. I'm talking to sources as well, in both languages. Sometimes for that reason, I have a particular problem of having imprint in my head numerical facts. It's just difficult. I thought it was five. I don't want to say that's. That's absolutely certain. I do think it's five, but I, you know, it's all a bit of. Gets in my head. It's. I think it was five, but I can't swear on it.

[Frank Walker]

I don't know.

[Harnwell]

You're right. You're right. When, when you, when you highlight the curiosity of these Vatican II freaks, of which Muller certainly is one, because he's a disciple, of course, of Cardinal Ratzinger, Pope Benedict, who was the supreme Vatican II freak, which is why I've never considered him to be a traditionalist, not remotely. And of course, it's important to say that, that the traditional movement goes way beyond the Latin Mass. The Latin Mass is important. Possibly it's totemic. In its importance. But the traditional movement transcends simply the tlm. And what I mean by that is I think people have been confused by one or two pilots saying the TLM in the traditional Latin Mass and assuming, oh, these guys are part of our movement, they're one of us, when they're not remotely they are and down to the last enthusiastic about Vatican 2, which is the key point of rupture. You say something else about how they, how and we are hearing this messaging, right? How this is a rupture that will wound the church and it's lack of disobedience and it's, it's sort of crypto, extra ecclesiastical stuff, right? Ironically, ironically, they wheel out the, the, the, the, the. There is no salvation outside the church. For the Lefebvrists, right? To the Lefebvris and the Lefebvrist alone, it's extra ecclesia nulla salus for everybody else, for the Anglicans, for the Orthodox, right, for the, for the Evangelicals, when they have all these big meetings, when they'll do the air kisses on the, on the cheek and smilingly patting one another on the shoulders saying how much you know, what we have in common is far greater than what divides us and all the rest of their unreadable drivel. Those guys get a free pass, right? The further it's likely that the red shift in expanding universe, the further you away are from the Catholic faith, the more of a free pass you get.

[Frank Walker]

Chinese Communists. Chinese Communists can make all the best they want.

[Harnwell]

The Chinese, of course, the ccp, right. The further, the further you are away from the unchanging Catholic faith, the more of a free pass you get, the closer you are, the closer you get reminded of extra ecclesia, which is one of the great ironists. And of course, probably one of the reasons for this Frank Walker is, is that these people aren't interested, they're not really interested in unity. That's the issue. They're actually talking about unity that is around the unchanging Catholic faith. What they are interested in is power and political power dressed up with the veneer of Catholic formation.

[Frank Walker]

I call it sort of a Nazi unity, a unity of force, a unity of fear, of compulsion. That's not Christian, that's not Catholic. Catholic is a unity of faith. And the SSPX Father Pallarani made that clear to Kissy Fernandez that, you know, we don't have some lower limit of accepting of being a member of the Church. The limit has always been the same. It's the Catholic faith. You know, John Henry Weston of LifeSite News, which this program made a great effort to defend when he was trying to be overturned by his board and lost his position. He made a great defense the other day of the SSPX against Cardinal Seurat. He said, cardinal, where have you come from? Have you come from out from under a rock? You're talking about obedience. Where's your obedience to Leo's Church? Are you obedience to all the gay blessings that are now being enforced? Are you obedient to the fact that they say that you capital punishment is not permissible in the Church anymore when all the Catholic doctors of the Church have said otherwise? Are you obedient to the fact that they say that the Latin Mass has no place is being suppressed? Are you obedient to sacrilegious communion by people who are living unrepentantly in mortal sin and refuse to be in spiritual union in order to go to Holy Communion? These things are all anti Catholic and in order to be obedient to the Pope you have to follow them. Now our God is not arbitrary. It's not Islam. It's based on timeless laws that come from God himself who will never change. And it's something very inhuman to try to compel us to believe things that are neither true nor required by our faith simply because by somehow by obedience, a false obedience against God himself. So that's what this is. This is, this is all about now. And to see people making like west and making a great defense. You know, Chris Jackson reminds us that the Virgin birth is not really quite held as a point of faith by Cardinal Mueller. Cardinal Mueller is a liberation theologist. And Cardinal Mueller cast doubt on transubstantiation, which is what actually happens in Holy Communion. At the center of the Mass when the Host is lifted up, he doesn't really believe these things. So there's the SSPX has stood on Catholic faith and they stood to the point of having to disobey when it disobey when it's broken. And they've given a way for other Catholics, a space for other Catholics to do the same thing. And like you say Ben, in this day and age when we have popes that are trying to enforce anti Catholic and evil teachings on all the bishops and everyone in the church who are more about politics and bad politics at that, we have to stand up for the faith of Christ because of God himself and pray to make the Church better. And it takes these fighting people like the SSPX are, are making it so possible and now powerful media Catholics like LifeSite News. It's terrific.

[Harnwell]

I know it's our obligation to stand, look, the ssp. It's our obligation to stand up and defend to whatever possibility we can in, in the light, in the situation of our personal lives that God has put us in. To stand up and make the strongest possible commitment to the unchanging Catholic faith. The SSPX is not perfect. It is not a perfect vehicle. But right now it is definitely on the side of the angels. Before we go to a quick shout out to one of our sponsors, why don't we leave the last word on this subject to which we will return Frank Walker to Cardinal Muller because here's a Freudian slip for you. This is what he says. If The Society of St. Pius X is to have a positive impact on Church history, it cannot fight for the true faith from a distance, from the outside, against the Church united with the Pope. Well look, homing on that. He says he's actually recognizing there despite himself because as I say, despite. This guy's not a Roman Catholic, he's not a traditional Catholic, he's a concilia Catholic. Absolutely formed, militantly formed, radically formed in the precepts of the anti catholic so called second Vatican Council. But here he is, he's referring to what the SS pics is doing is fighting for the true faith. That was a slip up. I'm sure he didn't intend, but he certainly acted. Excuse me.

[Frank Walker]

It's confusing to be him. It's a, it's a tricky job.

[Harnwell]

Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't like. I wouldn't like to be him. Okay, so look, we'll return to this theme. Frank, standby. We're back with you in two minutes. I just want to give a quick shout out, if I may, to the Patriots edition of of the End of the Dollar Empire. This is the printed book compiled into a one special limited edition of all six volumes which the war room has been promoting over the over the last 24 months. And there are two days left to take advantage of the offer to get yourself a copy of this specially bound, beautifully bound book which isn't available in stores and it's not available on Amazon. It is exclusive to Birch Gold Group. And this is the second print one because the first one did so well. If you want to get this, you want to claim your eligibility text Bannon B A N O N to 989-898 that's Bannon B A N O N 989-898. You'll also get Birch Gold's free Gold IRA info kit. And then after you make a purchase from birch gold before February 27, which is what this Friday, that Patriots edition End of the Dollar Empire is yours for free. So don't wait. These copies will disappear fast. Takes Bannon to 989-898 right now to claim your eligibility and get yours before they're all gone. Back to Frank Walker. I see then, Frank, that Leo, Pope Leo, His Holiness, his most very holiness, his exceedingly holiness, has indicated what his great, and I quote, his greatest concern in Spain is. Tell me, and perhaps we'll continue this theme after the break. Now, when I saw that he's talking about his greatest concern in Spain, I'll tell you what mine is. I was wondering whether we had perhaps he and I overlapped on our preoccupations. My great concern right now is the socialist government ramming through the regularization of 500,000 illegals, invaders, giving them residency permits with which they will then be able to dissipate right across the European Union, creating havoc and a crime wave of sexual and violent crime against women and children, which is what we've seen from the million or so invaders that Angela Merkel brought in. That's my greatest concern right now. What's happening in Spain? The socialist government's ramming that through by royal decree because it doesn't have the votes in Parliament to do it. Tell me, because you're very up on this story and hat tip to Chris Jackson, whom you mentioned earlier, who has got an unbelievably fantastic analysis. He's very good anyway. Right. But his synthesis this time, it's just one smash quote after the boom, boom, boom. You've got, you've got the, the background on this. You've got three minutes, Frank, before we go to the break. Tell me, is Leo the left, is his greatest concern in Spain the same as mine?

[Frank Walker]

Well, yeah, because he's worried about people complaining about it. He's worried about the people that don't like it. Unhappy politics in Spain, his main priority. This was leaked by some people, the bit some bishops or people were at this bishops meeting in Spain, that he really was worried about the extreme right instrumentalizing the Catholic faith. As if there was nothing on. When they say extreme right, they really mean just they mean the Catholics is what they mean. And that. And it's very revealing because that shows you what Leo is all about. He's all about the politics. His formula is I'm going to make these terrible bishops and we're going to exploit them for politics. They, the synods are going to make sure that the doctrine gets destroyed. Meanwhile, my job is the Pied Piper of politics. I've done it against Trump and I'm worried about it in Spain where they just dotted line a half a million illegals and they have millions more in the works from what I read. And Chris Jackson has quotes in here that are just fantastic. Like the post conciliar Vatican doesn't merely comment on politics, it thinks in political categories first and then retrofits religion around them. That's beautiful. That's exactly what they do. Since they're not Catholic, they're all about politics first and then retrofitting religion around them. That's timeless. That's not just this one article.

[Harnwell]

It's, it's, it's perfect. It's too good for a substack article. But that, that is absolutely the paradigm of what's going on in the presence of church. Here's another extract. Every scandal and appointment becomes predictable. Every surprising papal emphasis turns out to be the same emphasis. Align with the reigning ideological consensus, then call it gospel. Spot on, Chris Jackson. Spot on. Both of those.

[Frank Walker]

That's Leo's church.

[Harnwell]

That's Leo's church, which is not the church of Jesus Christ. Both of those quotes, by the way, you will see right in the, in the center of the highlighted articles for the day on canon212.com folks, which I very strongly recommend you just check out to, to find out what's going on. So just quickly before we go to this break, Frank Walker, yes or no? I've got this Right then. So lefty Leo's great preoccupation is great concern for Spain isn't the admitting of half a million invaders to dissipate across the European Union. His great concern is what he calls the far right. That's his concern.

[Frank Walker]

Which are the pro Catholics against the Gay Agenda. They're about border control. They're the Catholics. Those are the ones that he really is worried about.

[Harnwell]

The one, the ones who are most serious about defending the Christian faith. Frank Walker, standby. Back in two minutes.

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Welcome back Harnwell here at the helm with Frank Walker. Folks. If you're not, if you're, if you're, if your pulse isn't accelerating and your blood pressure rocketing after the first half of the show, you certainly will be. Now as we dig in to just how radical the institution of the Catholic Church is in sponsoring the invasion, the third world illegal invasion across the West. So Cardinal Fabio Baju, the under Secretary of the Vatican's dicastery for promoting integral human Development. Right? And if the title, if the dot, if the title doesn't tell you this guy is going to be an enemy with a capital E. I have no idea. Idea what, what he's going to give you those vibes has come out and spoken against basically our side of the, the political spectrum, pushing what he calls a negative NA narrative, a negative narrative about the church's migration work. And he points out something that I think really Steve Bannon was the most prominent Catholic about to hit this about 10 years ago. And to say this publicly. And when he said that, I don't think. I mean, people have perhaps had been murmuring it, murmuring it, whispering it, but he actually said it on the record and he said the whole reason the Catholic Church, the institutional Catholic Church is pushing the, the immigration crisis because we didn't call it an, an invasion in those days. The whole reason they're pushing the immigration crisis is because they're grifting money out of it. Hundreds of millions. And he named the U.S. catholic Church specifically with that regard. And they all sort of put their hands up and said, no, it's absolutely outrageous. And we, cause we now, we've now seen the figures thanks to the Trump administration and it is hundreds of millions. But this guy's come out and tried to counter that, accepts that. That's the argument that we're making now because before they even refused to acknowledge that we made that argument. Tell me a bit. There's a write upon this in the National Catholic Distorter. Tell me a bit then about what Cardinal Badger has said and what the effect of this is intended to be.

[Frank Walker]

Well, I remember that he said, I'm a historian and I'm worried about discrimination and I'm worried against migrants and I'm worried about people using the wrong language against migrants. I remember that he is coming over here from the Vatican and worried about our, our policy on migration. You know, J.D. vance. And in the last article we just look at, J.D. vance publicly invited Leo to the 250th anniversary United States, and he decided instead to go to Lampedusa Isle, which is like, become sort of like a trash heap on the way to Italy, and make a statement like Francis did about illegal migrants. So that's why Fabio Baggio is over here giving us lessons on, on how to use the right language and not discriminate against illegals and all of the phony baloney moralizing that comes along with it.

[Harnwell]

Yeah, well, you're absolutely right. Okay. And it's true that in this debate, I will admit it, people are using the wrong language when they're talking about this crisis. They're using the words immigration when they should be calling it an invasion. Right. That is the correct language.

[Frank Walker]

Going on about you. You're having a negative narrative. That thing needs to stop. Because of Jesus.

[Harnwell]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, because Jesus. That's right. That's the argument. He says that card. His Eminence says that migrants present in countries in irregular situations. He says that they are children of God and persons knocking at the door of charity from our communities who we must not. Who must not be discriminated against. Well, it's true that invaders are children of God. That's true. But they're children of God when they remain in their own countries, they don't have to illegally invade on dinghies. Another country to break into another country to the. To be to get the children of God ontology. They have that anyway, and they continue to have that when they're forcibly repatriated back to their home countries. That children of God thing is always with them. So I don't know why they. They insist on. On mentioning that, because I think it's somewhat of a diversion. Right.

[Frank Walker]

Yeah. I mean, that's probably why all the Democrats wouldn't stand up in the State of the Union yesterday when Trump asked them whether they thought protecting Americans was more important than protecting illegal aliens. None of them would stand up, I suppose, because illegal aliens are children of God too. I think that they would agree with that. I think the Democrats and the bishops agree completely on everything. And they use that to make sure that people don't treat criminals with the way in a regular society, in a just society, has to be demon because everybody's children of God, really. A child of God is a believing, faithful Christian in a state of grace. That's what really, what a child of God is. But we're all people, and God loves everyone, even illegals, as much as he does anybody else. That's true. That's no excuse. Has nothing to do with it. What he's doing. He's coming over here to grease the wheels for the bishops that they've done ahead of the State of the Union with their laundry list, like you're getting ready to talk about now, of all the things they want to do to gum up the works, you know, and make sure their whole deportation methods all stall out.

[Harnwell]

You're absolutely right, actually. And I realize I've said something wrong, theologically wrong here. Correct me if I'm wrong, Frank Walker, but according to the traditional classic theology, we only become children of God on baptism. Right through Christ.

[Frank Walker]

Yes.

[Harnwell]

So, yeah, that. That's what makes us children of God. And in traditional Catholic theology. So whilst you have a lot of Latin Americans coming into the United States in, in the American context, and they're all going to be baptized in Europe, in continental Europe, we're getting the Muslims coming up across the med from Africa and very, you know, they're Muslims, so they're not going to be baptized at all. So even then, the designation children of God from a Catholic perspective would be inappropriate. It would be theologically inappropriate. What the Catholic Church ought to be doing, rather than acting as a humanitarian NGO in favor of mass displacement of peoples illegally trafficked from one country to another. It might try preaching the gospel and, you know, go therefore to all nations. Teaching. Teaching all to observe everything. Yeah, exactly. Baptizing the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, though I'm with you always, even to the end of the age that, you know, they might always try, you know, as, as you said, their argument is pro invasion because Jesus. Well, they might actually want to look at Jesus's Great Commission, that he left the church before ascending to heaven and, and following through on it. Look, we have too much. I'm talking for too much. We've got too much to go through. Quickly, if you will, as we try to get all of these stories shoehorned into the closing 10 minutes of the show. Quickly, if you will, just mention the 18 Catholic bishops and archbishops that were agitating for President Trump to tone down his positions in the state of the Union. And you were right about what you said before, Frank, the Democrat, the, the US Catholic bishops are the Democratic Party at prayer. But tell me now just quickly about the flagrant disregard of the separation of church and politics and their direct intervention seeking to change administration policy, President Trump's

[Frank Walker]

policy, making that into their religion. These 18 border bishops have asked him to let them apply at the border for asylum. He. Imagine what that would do. They're saying that they need to have due process as if they were citizens, but they're getting due process. They're defining that they're illegal aliens and then sending them back to the country where they're legal, where they could have due process there, you know, it's just these things don't apply. But if they were able to, if they were, if they did any of the things that the bishops want them to do, it would stop the. The whole process because the bishops want to make their money off these illegals and have them in the United States. It's a political thing that they need to get so that there's more people sitting down at the state of the union than there are now. There have to be more they want. They want to also protect sensitive locations such as churches. This is one that always gets me because all over the world churches harbor what they would call refugees. And there are many times the people that are the wrong side of a war because they're all about peace, that the wrong side of the war becomes a refugee and they're harbored and then the government can't get to them. These are criminals that cannot be reached because they're on church property. And they want to make sure that they define it that way. They say they want to have separation of families. They want to have no enforcement on immigrants who are contributing to the common good. Make sure they have reintegration programs, enforce facility standards. They want to be able to let in whenever they want. They don't want even the detention facilities to decide when they can come in or not. And they actually radicals come in and they say that they're bringing the sacraments as if they cared. When anybody gets a sacraments, they shut down the whole planet during the virus. They don't care who gets a sacraments. They don't care who they have Collapsing numbers, are selling off all the churches, preaching these evil politics. Completely unpopular. No, they want to just. They say it's because of the sacraments that we don't have access. They're just looking for a bunch of handles that they can pull, a bunch of places that they can hammer at the deportation program. It's a completely political democrat process to gum up the entire works. That's what the bishops are calling for.

[Harnwell]

What they are doing, Frank Walker, and you've got this absolutely 1000% correct, is they're pushing a political agenda backed up with religious iconography. And on that point we're going to come back after this short shout out to, to, to one of our sponsors, this time home title lock. Because if you are a homeowner, you do need to listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever before. And your equity is the target. Here's how it works. You all know the routine by now, folks. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee with your county and boom, your home title has been transferred out of your name. And then they take out loans using your equity or they even sell your property outright. You won't even know it's happened until you get a collection or foreclosure notice. So let me ask you, when was the last time you checked your home title. If, like me, the answer is never. And that's exactly what the scammers are counting on. And that's why we at the War Room trust Home title lock. Use promo code [e-mail] to make sure your title is still in your name. You'll also get a free title history report plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's 24,7 monitoring of your title, urgent alerts to any changes and if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million to fix it. So go to hometitle lock.com now use promo code Steve. That's hometitlelock.com promo code Steve. Well, Frank Walker, this is pretty much the end of the show and the last story that we have to cover, which I think is fascinating. It's the Lenten retreat taking place in the Vatican now, you know, based to lefty Leo and all his cardinals. And they've roped in Norwegian Cistercian Bishop Eric Varden to conduct the Lenten spiritual exercises for the Roman Curia. Now Bergoglio might be dead, but his asinine brain dead platitudes live on. And the core message of Bishop Verdun, which would have been a great opportunity to sort of reinforce the Brethren, to reinforce the faith in the Brethren and what his core message, don't use the gospel as a weapon. And in this he says, and this is why it's very interesting, Frank Walker, to hear you synthesize the, the previous story. He's talking about instrumentalizations of Christian language and signs that should be challenged not just by one outrage, but by teaching the terms of authentic spiritual warfare. What he's talking about he has in his mind's eye, no doubt, the images of people like Matteo Salvini and other Italian politicians going out doing speeches, holding the rosary. And this drives the Vatican absolutely crazy. They say you shouldn't be pushing political narratives backed up with religious imagery. But Frank Walker, let me put this to point to you. That is exactly what the institutional Vatican is doing. That is its meat and drink, that is its shtick. It's a humanitarian, atheistic, communistic, environmentalistic NGO, right? And it pushes a position that not even 2% of the population would buy if it weren't being pushed out under the banner of the Catholic Church. It legitimizes that radical position with religious iconography because it has bishops and popes and cardinals and what have you and pushing that agenda. If they were just, if they just push These things out dressed as laymen with layman's names, without religious titles. No one would care less what they say, right? So there they are, the ultimate example of what they're going through, the pretense of right, of opposing.

[Frank Walker]

They're taking the agency of a Christian, making the gospel live in the world by teaching it and by showing people how to employ it, even in politics. They're taking that agency and they're saying, you know, that's just weaponizing. That's just weaponizing. That's instrumentalizing. And so they can do it. They can do it all they want. And it's not a weapon, see, it's just holiness. But if a Catholic does it, then it's weaponizing this, this, this characterization. We heard this at the National Catholic Reporter, the liberal reporter, going back 20 years, forever. You know, they've been doing this a long time. These are talking points of liberals. And you just. It just sounds really funny how to coming directly out of the church. That's why they talk about peace so much. And this bishop, this Bishop Varden, who they, you know, they are kind of grooming him as a conservative at the beginning, he's just very flowery, sort of impenetrable. But yeah, he was going out about peace a lot. The reason that Leo talks about peace all the time and that Bishop Barton is doing the Leo speech against weaponization and internalization, meaning, like he said to the bishops in Spain, you know, we don't want them instrumentalizing. We don't want them to have any agency that when, when they say peace, they mean pacifism. They mean, you can't have agency, you can't have victory, you can't win, you can't fight. That's what they want. And so Bishop Barton is going on about peace. We must insist this now where the gospel is somewhat somehow deployed as a weapon. Don't instrumentalize Christian language. I see it all here because peace is not the promise of ease. It's a condition for transformed society. They go on about peace constantly. It has to be everything that they say. So it's a spiritual danger to have anger, he says in this, in this talk here. Well, Thomas Aquinas has said, if you have righteous anger and you fail to act on it, it's a good inclin. And that's a sin. But in Leo's church and Bishop Barton's Lenten retreat, anger is always wrong. Anger is always a sin. So, yeah, it's all one church. It's all being treated the same way, you know, even as they leave as the head of the German bishops leaves. He's against populism. He's against, which is Catholicism. I mean, that's part of the populist effort, the Catholic effort. And also here he talks about how this great union between body and soul and how, you know, they're trying to teach us that the evil that is part of human nature needs to be sort of embraced because of the oneness, sort of like they want to do with the unity here. And it's a lot of blather in this thing. But, you know, and then in one part here, he says that these, like the Legionnaires of Christ, he's really perverted orders. Maybe we just, you know, I don't know. We can never catch them all. There's very, very give up on, on what's doing good. We can't help it. Maybe we should have screened better. Maybe you shouldn't have a whole network of people that are just like this, forming orders and being bishops all around the world. That's exactly what you did. It isn't human nature.

[Harnwell]

It's, well, Frank Walker, the Bishop Varden called on believers to battle vice and harmful passions with a straightforward yes, yes and no, no, to which I can only respond to him, to everything that he said, no, no, because anything else is of the devil. Frank Walker, thanks very much for guiding us through as the irreplaceable and inimitable Sherpa on all Things Catholic over the past seven days. Where do people go between now and next Wednesday to keep up with your output on social media?

[Frank Walker]

It's Canon 212. You can type it in the address line and then you can see at Twitter. It's canon212 spelled out. The Daily Update video is in the right hand column. It's also at Rumble and at Gloria tv.

[Harnwell]

That's all we have time for. My thanks very much, Frank Walker, for your input this evening. To Kyle and his crack team at Real America's Voice in Denver, and of course, to Cameron Wallace, the show's producer. I'll be back next Wednesday because President Trump is in Texas on Friday and Steve will be with you at 10am tomorrow morning. God bless for now. Have a great week.

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