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WarRoom Battleground EP 963: Harnwell’s speech to the “Advance” conference in Sydney on the BETRAYAL of Judeo-Christian West
WarRoom Battleground EP 963: Harnwell’s speech to the “Advance” conference in Sydney on the BETRAYAL of Judeo-Christian West ...
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Ben Harnwell
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul,
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Stephen K. Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Ben Harnwell
Friday 6th of March, Anno Domini 2026. Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. Different type of show coming up for you over the next 60 minutes. Well, two weeks ago I was invited to speak in Sydney, Australia on the theme of the gladiator school fighting to defend the West. And this was a keynote speech in a conference organized by a great group of guys called advance. And they've had in just their eight years worth of existence, quite a number of significant electoral victories. And I was delighted therefore to fly from the very center of continental Europe literally to the other side of the earth to talk about this speech and the importance of our academy for the Judeo Christian West. And I delivered a speech, chalk block, as you will see in references to the importance of the Judeo Christian West. This speech, I spent three months working on it, deciding exactly what I was going to say. I hope you will appreciate watching it. This speech generated more pressure coverage than any of the speech I've ever delivered in my life. And you'll probably get a reason why. Towards the end of the show, as I'm responding to the answers, I was invited to walk back certain comments. I absolutely refused to do so. I feel very strongly that the invasion taking place in the west is of an existential nature. So I commend to you for the next hour this speech I gave in Sydney. And I will join you back just in 25 minutes time as we head into the commercial break. So stand by and I do hope you enjoy this speech. Thanks, Joe. Thanks very much. Can you all hear me okay? Good morning. One of the greatest ever historians in the comparative study of civilizations, Arnold Toynbee, analyzed The Demise of 20 Notable Civilizations in the Disintegrations of Civilizations, the fifth volume of his 12 volume magnum opus A Study of History, Toynbee noted that of the 21 civilizations he studied, 19 perished not by conquest from without, but by moral decay from within. Writing on the eve of the Second World War, Toynbee said, I do not believe that civilizations break down through being worsted by their environment. I believe that when they do break down, the cause is not some blow from outside, but some inward spiritual failure, some kind of demoralization to which we human beings are not bound to succumb and for which we ourselves therefore bear the responsibility. Or more simply to quote his most famous expression, civilizations die by suicide, not by murder. So just to reintroduce myself, I know Joe did it, but my name is Ben Harnwell. I am the international editor of the number one rated US political show Steve Bannon's War Room. And I gather there is even a representation here in the audience there that follows the show. Thank you to advance and specifically to Matthew Sheehan for inviting me here today. And thank you to all of you for being here and your attention during this 35 minute presentation. And I'm going to leave 10 minutes for questions at the end for those of you who especially enjoy making conference speakers squirm in public. So if you can all hear me, if I can move off from the podium for one moment. I live in Italy. I've lived in Italy for 15 years, in some respects, many respects, one of the great founding contributions to Western civilization. Some of you might know I was involved in running. Joe mentioned it, a monastery, Trisolti. I say a little bit, but obviously time is limited. It's a complex of some 83,000 square meters, but it has 15,000 square meters of roof. And in the brief period that I ran that monastery before being so gloriously kicked out, I learned something about how Italy works and how Italy thinks. It has the historic roof tiles on these 15,000 square meters of roof. That's a lot of roof. And the Italians have an obsession about conformity and regularity. You can't just, if you have a leak or in need of repair or you need to put a substitution in, you can't just do it. You need to sort of write to the soprintendenza. You need to show them that they're the ones you're going to put in. The color has to match. They're obsessed about the uniformity. To add an aside, if you cut down. They're so obsessed by uniformity, by conserving the landscape, that if you chop down, down a tree on your own property under certain conditions, not Only can they come and arrest you on the spot for doing so. They can actually throw you in jail. Again, the idea is the conservation of something, which is great, which is great, okay? Especially Italy. Beautiful, beautiful country. But I sort of think it's somewhat quixotic to be obsessing so much at an institutional level. They have the laws that back this up about the uniformity of roof tiles and have very little concern as to the people that are living beneath those roof tiles. The point I'd like to try to make, and it's a controversial point, right, in some quarters, but surely human beings, people, culture, communities, values, religious background, those things are more important than roof tiles. Yeah, That's what I wanted to come here and share with you today. I would like. I would like to try to contribute to a change in attitudes and a change in the conversation that we can have publicly where we can say, roof tiles are fine, trees are fine, but let's put a little bit of energy into preserving what's going on underneath the roof tiles. Right? Because that's more important. Now, I sort of think I've been involved in. I first worked in parliament in the UK parliament in 95. So that's like over 30 years ago. I know you're going to say, come on, Harnwell, you're lying. You can't possibly be that old. I heard, I felt the brainwaves, you thinking. But I was. I was working there for 30 years and I sort of developed this. When people say, what's the core of your political philosophy? Well, it splits into two, really. I'm quite libertarian in the sense that I hate paying tax. And that's really the starting point of my political philosophy is that I hate paying tax because, as Ronald Reagan said, I know how government wastes my money. The second thing is, I think there is an onus of those who are involved in politics to work towards a society which is slightly better than the one that they were born into. You conserve what's important. You have policy experiments. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't work. You have the capitalist free market, which is great at moving things forward. So there's no reason why a society, if anyone involved in politics, after 20 years of contribution, 30 years of contribution to the public good, you're not leaving a society which is slightly better than the one that you inherited. And that's not the case anymore, Right? Because we are now dealing with the first generation in the west, where parents have come to the conclusion that their kids are going to have a worse standard of life than the one that they themselves had, and that's unknown throughout the West. So we've been failing. If I say that the object of politics is to basically make slightly better the society that you yourselves have inherited, we failed at that. And just to give an example of the uk, for example, look at housing, because this is really sort of impacting young families and their ability to provide responsibly and create the next generation. But I think 15 years ago the average London price for property was four or five times the average salary and now it's 12 times. And this is a conde. It's not as if Brits are reproducing, accelerating an explosion of reproducing children. This is because there are people coming in to the country that need housing and that's putting the crisis on property. And as Steve Bannon, my boss, likes to say, and I think it's absolutely perfect that the obsession, and this is a particularly American point of view, but I think it's true right throughout the west is that our political class has been obsessing with widening trade to the degree that the system, the west has created comfortable, Thriving middle classes in China and in India at the expense of decimating your own native blue collar workers in your own backyard. So we actually have, we've loaded on working families the double punitive policy goals of flooding the country with immigrants, most of whom have invited themselves, if I could put it gently like that on the one hand. But exporting the jobs abroad, which is like the perverse, it's the worst of all situations. And on this point I have to make a distinction between immigration and I would ask for the invasion. Right. I will apologize in advance for anyone of a sensitive disposition, but the word is invasion. That is what is taking place right throughout the West. And the difference between immigrants, your grandparents, immigration. Thank you. The difference between your grandparents immigration and the invasion that's been taking place over the last 10 years is this. The immigrants of before more or less came to assimilate and to contribute. They came regularly and they came because the host country said, we have a need here, this is in our advantage. What has happened over the last 10 years is that people are not coming, the invaders are not coming to assimilate or to contribute. They're coming to conquer. And that is fundamentally the difference. And we have to have the courage to be able to say that publicly in order to put a stop with it. Now, I personally am of the position that we need a moratorium on invasion, even legal immigration. We need this moratorium until at least and you can say this in Australia, we can say this in Italy, say this in the uk, say this in the States, at least until everybody of your native population, population who wants a job is able to find one. When you have 100% employment, then you can have conversations about who to bring in and to contribute. But you cannot have a situation where you say, we'll have the legal set up, the channels set up to apply, to come in, but if you fail, then just come on a dinghy and come across anyway. And we'll give you a hotel, we'll give you three square meals a day, we'll give you health care, we'll give you the leave, we'll give you the residence per minute. And then you bring in all your families and do like that system has to stop. Right? We agree on that. That has to stop. And before I close, the point specifically of my address today on immigration, can't have this conversation and not mention Islam, because that's absolutely crucial. It's in previous years, you have people coming in from all faith backgrounds, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus. They came in, they contributed, they put their head down, they assimilated and they contributed. There is something about Islam in the character of Islam itself, that is oil and water when it comes to Western values. They're not coming now, as I say, they're not coming to contribute. They're coming to conquer. And they are coming with the expectations, expectation that we will yield to their sensibilities. And they have that expectation because we are being betrayed by our political class. Okay, So what are we going to do about it? Well, the contribution that I myself have been involved with is at the monastery of Trisolti, specifically, which is the Academy of For the Judeo Christian west, popularly known in the press as Steve Bannon's gladiator school. Just to say a bit, a few words about that. That project itself grew out of something called the Dignitatis Humanae Institute, which I founded in the European Parliament in 2008. And that was really created as a project. And Dominic Cudmore, who is here, was in for their ears. Dominic, he was actually sort of a great help in that, sort of what, nearly 20 years ago in getting that project off the ground. And, Dominic, a real surprise to see you here today, but I'm very happy to give you a hat tip for your contribution on that. And the point about this, why did we set this up? Now? The program has evolved somewhat since 2008, but fundamentally it was to put the spine back in to Christian democracy. Those were the Days when I was slightly more naive and believed that what the centre right was lacking was spying. In fact, I now realize that that's not true at all. The centre right is part of the enemy of defending these values because it's performative, it goes through the motions, especially at election time, of dropping the platitudes that we want to hear. And the moment they are elected, they get down to betraying us. And the point, the betrayal is this. I started off with this speech, the note by Toyimbe, about the 19 out of 21 civilizations dying from within. And I'd like to suggest the specific character of our own civilizational decline isn't that we're being defeated from without and it's not that we're imploding from spiritual malaise from within, it's that we are being betrayed by our political class. And that is, I think, something novel and unique to the present situation. So going back 20 years and the beginnings of the project that we have at Trisulta, it was the idea that the reason we were losing was because Christian democracy had lost its spine in continental Europe. The center right is basically Christian Democrats, okay, which is based formally, it's a bit like in Germany, but all across continental Europe it's really based, or claims to be based on Catholic social teaching in the Anglo sphere in Australia, in, in the uk that the equivalent, the positioning on the political spectrum of centre right isn't so much Christian democratic because we know we're not culturally Catholic countries, it's conservatism, which was, to take somewhat from what I said at the beginning, the idea of conserving what is good. But if you look at the Conservative, look at the Conservative movement in the UK especially, it conserves absolutely nothing. It goes through the motions, it calls itself Conservative, it says, oh, we're the oldest political party in the world, we're non ideological, but it's imploding. Now we are assisting at its suicide because it has abandoned all pretense of conserving anything and it's abandoned all pretense of promoting personal liberty. It talks the language of Margaret Thatcher, but in every legislative act and amendment it produces, it is a betrayal of Margaret Thatcher. And its time has come and its time has come to end and it is being replaced in the UK as we speak by Nigel Farage and Reform uk that broadly is taking off where Margaret Thatcher left off. So coming back to the Dignitatis Humanae Institution Institute is the realization that Christian democracy, the center right, isn't capable of defending those things that we really care so much about culture, values, community, the Judeo Christian tradition, to use the American term. And one of the chief. I mentioned that the Christian democracy in Europe is based on Catholic social teaching. And I have said I am a Catholic, a bad one, but I am a Catholic. And I have to don't mistake what I'm going to say now, because I'm going to attack the institutional church, the Vatican. I'm not anti Catholic. I am anti these people, these sociopaths who somehow have been able over the last 60 years, years, to hijack the institution of the Catholic Church and run it into the ground. They call me in Italy, they say I'm anti Catholic. And it's ironic that these people who loathe the Catholic faith, their prelates, their bishops, their cardinals, these people who loathe and have made it their lives work to destroy the Catholic Church, call me and Steve Bannon and our collaborators anti Catholic. That is the supreme irony, because we are trying to defend the Christian basis, the Catholic basis of continental Europe. This is something that John Paul II had correctly intuited that the heart of culture is cult. So you can defend Western society, the Western liberal tradition, but that comes out of something. It didn't just emerge out of nothing. It comes out of the precepts that arise out of the Christian faith. And I will make this suggestion, but only very lightly today, if you really want to defend Western civilization, we need to have a more strong and confident and muscular presence of Christianity in the public square. And that is more necessary now than ever because there is, nature abhors, a value vacuum. There is in our public life in the west, the presence of a strong, muscular religious tradition. But it's Islam. And we at least need to be able to rise ourselves to the level of their game if we're going to try to beat them. Right? So I have to name. I have to say that in pretty much all of the existential crises that the west faces today, there is the presence of the Vatican. And that is taking the wrong side on every one of these existential issues, including and especially the invasion, its behavior, the institutional church, which is, as far as I'm concerned, not the church, that it's not the mystical body of Jesus Christ, not the people who are running the Catholic Church. They are absurd, and I don't know why. Well, I do know because they're getting a lot of money out of this. But they are absolutely obsessed about promoting the invasion and they use arguments like. And here's another one of the key things I wanted to say today, one of the things I wanted to say was we should treat human beings as if they have a higher ontological value than roof tiles. The other thing I want to say here in relation to the. And pay attention to Pope Leo because he's on the immigration issue, on the invasion issue, he is just as militant as his late unlamented predecessor, Pope Francis. And the trick of the Vatican here is the promotion of fake virtues such as tolerance and openness, which are fake virtues. And I'm quite happy to say I'm neither of those things because they're not virtues. In fact, the opposite of those things from my perspective is the virtue to be closed minded. I'm going to say, fair enough. Call me closed minded, I'll accept it. Say you call me intolerant. Fair enough, I'm okay with that. I can live with that. The real false virtue, however, of the Vatican and its poisonous tentacles throughout public life and social fabric in the west is false compassion. Okay, Let me give an example, right on how I see false compassion being used to the detriment of Western civilization. Third World illegals take away low paying jobs from our most vulnerable workers, drive down wages and exhaust our already overstretched public services. It must take a particular type of psycho to consider the humanity of millions of migrants in the abstract whom they have never met and at the same time nurture cold indifference towards actual real people they see struggling every day. Zero compassion for friends, neighbours, family, unable to cope with being priced out of a job and unable to cope with the ever increasing tax burden required to pay for constant new arrivals of these people, our people, whom our overlords actually do know, they never consider the humanity. What kind of squalid people do this? Sociopaths is the answer, right? I want to make this point. I cannot make this point enough about the false compassion that is being pushed out by the Vatican and all the affiliates, the surrogates of the Vatican in political life, those professional Catholics who say, oh no, you've got to accept, or these invaders who are coming in because it's the compassionate thing to do. No, no, no, no, it's not. The compassionate thing to do is to show compassion to the people that you know. Your friends, your family, your community. And here's why, right, here's my rule. You cannot trump compassion of the abstract over compassion over the particular. It is imperative on us, and we must insist, insist on this, that our compassion as Christians is merited towards those people that we know. And you cannot throw the people that you know these are particular individuals that you know. You cannot throw those people under the bus in favor of some abstract entity of millions of people whom you don't know who, what kind of person would parade and exhibit their moral superiority right over you, who would do that kind of thing? And the only answer is sociopaths. Only a sociopath would be able to prioritize the compassion in the abstract over compassion in the particular. Okay, well, standby folks will be back after this short 2 minute commercial break with the rest of the speech.
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Ben Harnwell
So without any further delay, let's get back into the speech and I'll see you on the other side in around 20 minutes time. So moving on, the institutional Catholic Church then is really part of the enemy. And that's why to come back to our project at Trisolti, it's one of the things that we would like to try to do and suggest that the defense of the Judeo Christian west, the specifically Christian part of that, the specifically Catholic part of that falls to us as the laity. We cannot rely on the bishops and the cardinals or the so called popes to defend the culture that means so much to us because these people are sworn enemies of that. We have to take that back. And it's something that we say on the show constantly that One of our roles is to empower the laity to take back the winning of the church from the people who are running the church into the ground. And I will mention this example once, because I say that it is ridiculous that the laity has no right in the nomination of bishops. And that's really how the Popes exercise their grip on the worldwide Catholic Church. I say that. And they say, oh, Harnwell, you're just a Protestant, right? You're just a Protestant. It's up to the Pope to appoint the bishops. But it's not in China. In China, the Vatican signed this secret deal which is so horrific they won't even let us see what's in it, right? But we know that that deal, that Vatican CCP pact, gives the CCP the authority to nominate Catholic bishops, right? So just. So, just. So just let that sink in for a moment. Those of you who are Catholic here, who are pillars of your community, your parish, you go to Mass every Sunday, you have no say in who your bishop is because that's Protestant. In China, the generals who spend all day, all their work pulling down churches and persecuting Christians, they go to the office at the end of the day and they sign a nomination for form for the bishop. That's allowed. That is how much contempt the institutional Catholic Church has for all of us, okay? They have contempt for us. And it is when we are, when we go asking for bread, we don't get a fist, we don't get a stone, we get the middle finger. And that is not acceptable, okay? Which is. That's not acceptable. And that is why there is the necessary necessity not only for movements like what we're doing in Italy, which is the gladiator school for nationalists. It's the reason why the iterations of this populist nationalist movement right across the world, specifically here in Australia advance, are absolutely essential for the preservation of the country that you look so much. And that brings me here to, to the closing part of my remarks today, which is that we have, those of us who come from continental Europe, from the uk, we have a role on the world stage now when it comes to defending the Judeo Christian West. And that role is primarily to warn other nations who haven't yet followed this road to the vmt, the very end, like Australia, like America, this is where that road leads to. Do not follow it. Because if there's any doubt, if you believe that the platitudes that are pushed out by Uni party political class, you'll think that it's all Peace and harmony I was going through and it's not true. I'm just going to throw this one out here because I love this story. It really illustrates all that is wrong with continent. In Germany a few years ago there was this asylum seeker, an Iraqi in his 30s who raped a 13 year old boy in the swimming pool, the public baths. Right. And his defense was that he had a sexual emergency. That was his defense. I think he got like a five year old prison term sentence or something like that. I don't know what it will, what he actually said. That for me just epitomizes everything that is wrong with people who are choosing for themselves to come into the West. So don't believe, don't give heed to your sociopathic overlords who will call you intolerant or lacking in compassion or xenophobic or what have you. That is the kind of thing. And if you look in the European press, that kind of story is literally routine. It's happening every day right across the Western Australia has already started down that path, but it is not nearly as destroyed, as irrecoverable as it is in the uk. So invasion then is the beating heart of the populist nationalist movement right across the world. It's the reason why what these political parties are like the AfD in Germany or VOX in Spain or Fratelli d', Italia, which I don't have much time for in Italy. All these parties termed conventionally far right one like two and a half percent ten years ago and they're now on 25% right across Europe. They're not far right. A lot of these parties like Marine Le Pen in France with the Rass and Blonde national, that's a left wing political party on everything, is a left wing political party on every metric apart from immigration. And it's the immigration point, which is the dividing line now between the populist nationalist iterations of which advance here in Australia is the local, the national manifestation and all the UNI party, all the other political parties which are saying it's the immigration that is the one issue. I'll give an example of how badly the centre right is betraying its people by looking at Portugal last week they had the presidential election over there and they had the runoff between Chagas, which is the far right political party, and the socialists and the center right. The Christian Democrats told its voters to vote for the guy on the left. So to block the guy on the far right. The guy on the far right, not Andre Ventura, not a fascist, not remotely anti immigration this is the one issue that they, for some reason, that they are absolutely destroyed. The French call the concept ethnic substitution or ethnic replacement. I don't know how accurate that is in reality, but if you went along, assuming that that is the case and that is the objective, you probably wouldn't go too far off the mark. I want to say on the show that we call the Uni Party our political masters. The term we use on Steve Bannon's war room is our sociopathic overlords. I hope I indicated at the beginning why I think these people are sociopaths. If I can just divert my closing words here just to indicate that these people are fundamentally behind the betrayal that I mentioned earlier as being the reason for the demise of Western civilization. If that sounds like conspiracy theory or a bit extreme, cast your minds back to the pandemic, right? Look how they looked us in the eye and lied to us about the nature of the virus, right? They're still lying to us today and all they can do is gaslight us about it. And if you think it's extreme to say that they were lying over the virus, look how they were lying over the vaccine and how they're lying to this day, saying that it was perfectly effective and perfectly, perfectly safe. They were gaslighting us. They're gaslighting us today. I know more people who died of that vaccine person. I personally know more people who died of that vaccine than I know who died of the virus. Vaccine was far more dangerous. These are the people who are running the planet, right? Cannot trust them. They will lie because they hate us. These people are sociopaths who fundamentally hate us. They're never going to come in and tell you that they hate you. Just look at the policies that they're enacting when they have the power. So I've said we've been betrayed by a Uni Party political class. I've also said especially that we have been betrayed by the establishment center right political parties. Perhaps I close on this remark that and this is the importance at Trisulti with what we're doing with this, with our gladiator school for nationalists. We're trying to create this network between the worldwide populist, nationalist iterations specifically. And people say, well, why are you doing that? Why aren't you working with the Christian Democratic parties? It's because it's the. It's these, and I use the term only because people know what it means, not because I think that these movements are far right, but it's these. Note these parties around the world world that are called far right that are most seriously concerned about the defense in real terms, not in performative gestures about the defense of the Judeo Christian basis of Western civilization. So I close then just to reiterate the main themes of what I said today. I mentioned Toynbee and I mentioned that what is particular about our civilizational decline is the fact that we've been betrayed by our political class. I've said that human beings, culture, values, faith communities are more important than roof tiles. I don't think Australia is obsessive about planning zone regulations and what have you. But there's always something, right? You Australians are worth more than buildings and shop fronts. Okay? So if you want to obsess to protect and to conserve shop fronts, houses, roof lines and all the rest of it, that's fine, that's great. But the people who live beneath those roofs are more important and at least are worthy of some protection and energy from the state into protecting. I mentioned that the invasion is the existential threat to culture. I've mentioned the tyranny of false compassion. I've said that that the Centre right is responsible for this systemic failure to protect the integrity of the culture. And that's why I would commend to you advance here in Italy. Finally I said I work for Steve Bannon's war room. I'll just give two quick shout outs to two things I'm very much involved with if you want to be more involved on an international level with what we're doing. One of them is the social media platform Geta G E T T T R which is very much the MAGA social media platform of choice in the circles that I'm in. And the other thing I will mention to you is Real America's Voice, which is available on satellite rav, which is the network that pushed out Charlie Kirk's show and that's the network that pushes our show as well. So I would commend both of those to you. Geta and Real America's Voice. I'm Ben Harnwell. Thank you very much for your time and your attention.
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Moderator
Ben, I'll get you to stay there. Thank you so much. An incredibly thought provoking talk from your view about forced compassion to what you were touching on. Just the conclusion there with your view on the Centre right around the world. Now we do have time for a couple of questions for Ben before we need to move to our next session. So if anybody in the audience would like to ask Ben a question, we've got a couple of advanced representatives up the Front here. Please put up your hand and
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Stephen K. Bannon
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Moderator
can go to Ben for some answers. But I might just begin. Ben, first of all, you mentioned the centre right really doing us a disservice. I'm interested in your view about our country and the centre right. I'm not sure how much you know, how much you're aware of our centre right here. But what is your message to the centre right in Australia to the left, liberal and national parties about how they should take the country forward?
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Ben Harnwell
Well, looking at the conservative movement here in the only thing I will say is I think Tony Abbott is superb and an absolute hero on defending pretty much everything that I've said in my speech today. But he's one person, I don't know how much the party is behind him on that. And I sort of think I would say that now today. Most of what he championed when he was leader of the opposition, when he was prime minister is now being represented here in this hall rather than by his party. That point you mentioned, Joe, is absolutely essential. The centre right political movement has betrayed us and has been betraying us for decades. The immigration, the invasion in continental Europe hasn't primarily taken place under the left. It's taken primarily place under the center. Angela Merkel in Germany has almost single handedly done more. Can I say this? That she did more damage to the fabric of her country than the Nazis did, that Hitler did 80 years ago. She has really damaged the long term viability of her country with what she does. And she's center right, she's Christian Democrat. And that is what I mean when I say betrayal. Because no word ten year. We had the ten year anniversary of that like a month or two ago. No word of apology, no word of regret. It's astonishing. And that's why the AfD is on 25% in Germany. That's why the German state is calling. The AfD is trying to get them legally prescribed so we won't be able to stand in election. They fear the people now and they're right to fear the people and they fear the people and they try to suppress the AfD in what? In the name of democracy.
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Moderator
Yeah, all right, we might go down over yonder. Thank you sir, you have the floor.
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Ben Harnwell
Thank you. You talk about the intrepid through immigration of this culture which kind of hates western culture. But we also have this problem, I think with the kind of extreme left in western society and in Australia that manifests itself in the Greens. What is your thinking on how to address that? Because if we stop immigration today, that side of the extreme left seems to be growing particularly very attractive amongst young people. I think what we're seeing is a widespread. It's a great question, a widespread disillusionment now on behalf of people of the conventional, established political parties and you know, it's sort of symmetrical. People from the center onwards towards the right are losing faith in their establishment, center right representation. Representation because it's not center right, it's globalist basically and are seeking alternatives elsewhere like in advance. And that's the same that's taking place on the left as well. They're realizing that the center left isn't particularly look ideologically. I mean I just said that the great. That the invasion is taking place under the center right. Politically though, it tends to benefit more the center left because it's providing them with voters on the one to be absolutely cynical about it. It's providing them with people who will use the state's services. They're not filling the country with people who want to stand on their own two feet and as I said, to assimilate and to contribute. They're filling the left is filling the country with its own client base. But it is weird because from a left wing perspective, if you are motivated by protecting the worker, the laborer, the blue collar worker, your industrial base, why are you trying to drive as a political party that says that you're on the left? Why are you trying to fill the country with labor with cheap labour that's only going to drive wages down? Why would you do that to your own supporter base? So of course that disillusionment is taking place on the left as well. Well, because they realize that they're being betrayed just as the center right people. And I think everyone in this room is center right. I don't think there's anyone here that is what the media would call far right. I think the same thing's taking place on the left. People are going to alternatives because they realize they have no interests that will be protected and defended with any passion. You'll get the performative gestures but by the centre left iterations. That's why they're seeking alternatives there.
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Moderator
Alright, thank you sir. One more question, madam. Down here.
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Ben Harnwell
Thank you so much. I really identify with what you said about being betrayed. I feel very betrayed by our Liberal party, you know, with the COVID lockdowns and net zero and all of that has made me very, very angry. Could you speak to I. About a year ago there was these on a video of these Muslim men all wearing black who were in Melbourne and they encircled the cathedral there. That's. I mean, I see that as pure intimidation. Where this. They were praying or I don't know what they were doing, but they insisted the cathedral. Can you speak to that, please? Yeah. How dare they, right? How dare they? How dare they do it? How dare they do it and how dare they be allowed to do it, Right? Because we wouldn't be able to do that over there, right? At the very least, we should be insisting reciprocity. Okay? At the very least, that is a will show. You will extend the same welcome to Muslims in the west as Muslims extend to Christians over there or not. Well, what's wrong with that? Reciprocity has to be the starting point. Now, you're never going to get that from the center right, certainly when you get it from the center left. But you will get it for these new movements that are occupying the space that was abandoned by the center right as the center right pivoted to betraying its own people. So I couldn't agree. I don't know if that answers you. My point is outrage. It's outrage, but it's what I said. These people aren't coming to assimilate. They're not coming to contribute. They are coming to conquer. They're coming because they expect expect us to yield to them and their sensibilities and they expect us to yield to them and their sensibilities because they've been encouraged to expect that by the people who've ushered them into the country. It's disgusting.
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Moderator
A great night to finish on.
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Ben Harnwell
So there you go, folks. You've just heard probably the most spicy speech I've ever given in my life. We'll get that out on our various social media channels. Do post your comments on Getter, especially at Harnwell, where I have read every single comment that's ever been posted. That's it, folks. Shows over. We'll be back with our standard Christian show on Wednesday of next week. Steve will be back at 10am in the morning in the chair. Thanks very much to Will and his crack team in Denver at Real America's and enjoy the rest of your day. God bless for now.
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