WarRoom Battleground EP 966: “Trad Inc” Increasingly Nervous That Traditionalists Consecrate New Bishops Without Papal Mandate

Summary

Bannon’s War Room: Battleground EP 966 — “Trad Inc” Increasingly Nervous That Traditionalists Consecrate New Bishops Without Papal Mandate
Date: March 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode, hosted by Steve Bannon with guests Frank Walker and Jenny Holland, explores the mounting tensions within traditionalist Catholic circles as “Trad Inc” (an umbrella term for institutional traditionalist groups and media) grows increasingly uneasy about the possibility of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) consecrating new bishops without papal approval. The panel also examines the broader context of Catholic institutional conduct, shifting demographics and religious freedoms in the UK, and the Catholic hierarchy’s political lobbying in the US. With a tone blending passionate criticism, cynicism, and urgency, the episode weaves together Church controversies, societal shifts, and policy debates, always anchored by Bannon’s combative style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Addressing Criticism of the Show’s Motive

• Bannon responds to accusations of anti-Catholicism:
  • The team asserts their aim is to serve the Church by criticizing institutional failures, especially on issues like sexual abuse scandals.
  • Bannon (01:22):
    “We are doing this show not because we are anti Catholic or because we hate the Catholic Church, but because we love the Catholic faith… we don’t wish to perpetuate the same mistakes of saying, staying silent when we see things in the church which is wrong.”

2. The SSPX Bishop Consecration Controversy

• Bishop Schneider’s brave position:
  • Bishop Schneider, in private remarks approved for publication, questions the validity of automatic (latae sententiae) excommunications threatened against SSPX bishops for consecrating without papal mandate.
  • Bannon (05:59):
    “Bishop Schneider says that from his point of view… if [the Church] should proactively proceed with punitive excommunications, they would not be valid. And that is… a very courageous thing for Bishop Schneider to do.”
  • Others in the hierarchy have been urging SSPX not to proceed; Schneider’s stance is seen as a rare act of courage.
• Frank Walker contextualizes Schneider’s stance and critiques “Trad Inc”:
  • Schneider is usually seen as institutionally cautious, so his favorable position toward SSPX is striking.
  • “Trad Inc is terrified of losing control of the narrative within the traditionalist movement,” says Walker, describing recent articles as attempts to keep people “onside.”
  • Walker (09:07):
    “It’s in God’s hands. You don’t want to be like the devil. You don’t want to attack Bishop Cardinal Mueller and Cardinal Seurat. You want to remember we’re all in this movement together. Don’t be the circular firing squad… What they really mean is don't shoot me. That should be the motto of Trad Inc.”

3. The Nature of Schism and the Modern Church

• Bannon’s Counter-Narrative:

  • Bannon rejects the notion that SSPX territory is inherently schismatic; instead, he frames “modernist” church hierarchy as the real schismatics.
  • Bannon (11:33):
    “The schism is the modernism embraced by 99% of the church hierarchy… The Lefebvrists… that’s the remedy to the schism that the modernist post conciliar Church has been inflicting on the faithful over the last 65 or so years.”

• Discussion of Cardinal Zen:

  • Cardinal Zen’s interventions, while sympathetic, are seen by Walker as ultimately avoidance of real solutions—telling traditionalists to appeal to “Leo” (the new Pope, considered a continuation of Francis’s policies).
  • Walker (12:22):
    “Everything was very, very good, very helpful… except for when it came to the solution. The solution is the Pope or the Leo or the Francis. That’s a summary.”

4. Youthful Catholic Renaissance in America

• Report of a 1000% increase in young adult Mass attendance at St. Joe’s, US.

• Kyle (17:04):
  “It was that busy that I was there well early and I couldn’t even get a seat downstairs. … Young adults between 25 and 30… are up over a thousand percent in the last couple of years.”

• Bannon frames this as contrast to the UK scene:

  • “It’s a split screen, isn’t it?... The Renaissance in the seriousness of Catholic church going in the youth to what is happening in… the UK.” (18:18)

5. The “Pre-Islamic” United Kingdom and Religious Freedom

• Jenny Holland unpacks stories of Islamic ascendance:

  • UK authorities warn educators not to allow “blasphemous” student assignments (drawing humans/music), out of deference to Islamic sensitivities.
  • Government insists “no new blasphemy law”—instead appoints an “anti-Muslim hostility” czar.
  • Jenny Holland (19:38):
    “It seems to be accelerating … about the growing political clout of the Muslim demographic in the United Kingdom… Local councils have warned schools not to approach or to beware of allowing the school children to produce blasphemous work such as drawing the human form.”
  • Reference to a teacher still in hiding for showing a Muhammad cartoon, reflecting de facto blasphemy enforcement.

• Wider implications:

  • Children might be unable to draw Jesus in Christmas nativity assignments for fear of offending Islamic rules.
  • Holland (24:36):
    “Are we going to have… children terrified to draw… the baby Jesus in case they get a fatwa? This is completely unsustainable… the fact that it’s being… demolished with a sledgehammer and a chainsaw at this point.”

• Bannon calls it an “Islamo flex,” codifying appeasement—British establishment is “duly cowed and oppressed.” (26:21)

6. Catholic Church and Immigration — US Context

• Frank Walker dissects USCCB amicus brief for birthright citizenship:
  • Motivation is more about financial interest (federal subsidies) than doctrine.
  • Walker (32:59):
    “This is their grift… Everything they possibly couldn't do to slow down and, and stifle the deportations that are happening, they'll do.”
  • Clergy invoke “human dignity” but largely ignore citizens’ rights or real Catholic teaching.
  • Walker (39:17):
    “The lawmakers of any country have a right to make these decisions themselves. It isn’t really about human dignity or not… They're just making up very specious, very weak, very thin arguments.”
• Bannon further attributes it to financial motivations:
  • Bannon (40:40):
    “It's about the grift… continuing to suck at the teat of US taxpayer largess.”

7. Gender Ideology — UK Policy Shift

• Jenny Holland highlights NHS move to restrict gender hormones under 18:
  • After activism by “TERFs,” NHS will not treat under-18s with cross-sex hormones, following an earlier ban on puberty blockers.
  • Holland (43:50):
    “This effectively kills off gender affirming care, I.e. experimentation and child sex characteristic mutilations in the United Kingdom. So that is very, very good news on children.”
• Reflects on societal confusion:
  • Government tries to appease both Islam and progressive LGBTQ+ ideology, pleasing no one.
  • Holland (43:47):
    “This document… is neither fish nor foul nor good red herring… progressive liberal left wing people are living in the delusional space…”

8. Caution on Overconfidence

• Holland warns not to let guard down:
  • The rollback on child gender transitions is a victory, but threats remain from “demons who have been working in this ideology.”
  • Holland (47:59):
    “I would caution against letting the guard down in any way, even though it is a massive victory.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steve Bannon (00:03):
  “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.”

• Frank Walker (09:07):
  “Don’t be the circular firing squad… What they really mean is don't shoot me. That should be the motto of Trad Inc.”

• Steve Bannon (11:33):
  “The schism is the modernism embraced by 99% of the church hierarchy…”

• Jenny Holland (24:36):
  “What do children in the UK do every December… What is Christmas about? Christmas is about the birth of Jesus. So are we going to have… children terrified to draw… the baby Jesus in case they get a fatwa?”

• Frank Walker (39:17):
  “They're just making up very specious, very weak, very thin arguments that aren't persuasive of anybody.”

• Jenny Holland (47:59):
  “I may not be a vet, but I know what a bloody dog is.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:22: Bannon’s opening defense of the show’s intent
• 05:59: Discussion of Bishop Schneider’s remarks on SSPX consecrations
• 09:07: “Trad Inc” and their coping strategies
• 11:33: Bannon’s take on where the real schism lies
• 17:00: Report on US youth resurgence in church attendance
• 19:30: Jenny Holland on UK schools and Islamic blasphemy sensitivity
• 24:36: Christmas and Christian imagery in UK schools
• 32:59: USCCB lobbying for birthright citizenship
• 43:47: Gender policy shift in UK’s NHS
• 47:59: Why the fight over gender ideology isn’t over

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Panel Socials & Projects

• Jenny Holland:

  • YouTube: Saving Culture From Itself
  • Substack: jennyeholland.substack.com
  • Upcoming book previewed

• Frank Walker:

  • Website: canon212.com
  • Twitter: @canon212 (spelled out)
  • Updates on Gloria TV and Rumble

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Summary Takeaway

This episode blends ecclesiastical controversy, societal anxieties, and political critique—arguing for the preservation of traditional Catholic integrity amid both internal Church crises and cultural transformation in the West. It warns against institutional capture, celebrates grassroots youth religious revival, and decries both the “appeasement” posture of the British state and the financialist priorities of U.S. Catholic hierarchy. The panel’s tone is combative, alarmed, but laced with dark humor and a call for vigilance on all fronts.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going

to medieval on these people.

I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

And where do people like that go

to share the big lie?

MAGA Media I wish in my soul,

I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and

[Frank Walker]

what is my purpose?

[Steve Bannon]

If that answer is to save my

[Frank Walker]

country, this country will be saved. War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Steve Bannon]

Good evening, Harnwell. Here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. It's that time once again in the week when we review all things to do with Christianity, Protestants, Catholicism. That's taken place over the last seven days with me, the usual stalwart members of the team, Frank Walker, Jenny Holland. Good evening to you both.

[Jenny Holland]

Hello.

[Steve Bannon]

That's an enthusiastic and surreal energetic. Great. Okay, so we're going to start. Look, first, there are a couple of things I want to say because I do read the responses that come in on social media. We are doing this show not because we are anti Catholic or because we hate the Catholic Church, but because we love the Catholic faith and have perhaps to varying degrees, on various varying occasions, a sentimental attachment to the institution of the Church. But this is fundamentally a service, we hope, to the church. And I would suggest that one of the great obstacles to the possibility of the Church evangelizing the secular society right throughout the west is the phenomenon of the sex abuse scandal, the clerical sex abuse scandal against kids that had been taking place over many decades, which came to light around about 20, 25 years ago. And one of the things that most damaged the Catholic Church's credibility was the silence. Now, many people stayed silent when they might have had a suspicion of what was going on because they believe that talking about these things, bringing them out into the light, would fundamentally damage the Church's credibility. And their desire was fundamentally that. I think with the, with the benefit of hindsight, we can see that that silence and institutional silence, even the moving around of priests from one parish to another, rather than just kicking them out and going to the police, that has been, with the benefit of hindsight, a catastrophic mistake. And I think it's fair to say that here on the War Room, we don't wish to perpetuate the the same mistakes of saying, staying silent when we see things in the church which is wrong. And that is why we are called in the spirit of charity and truth, to talk about these things and try to pull the church back to the narrow path. I'm just saying that because some people, especially on Rumble, seem to think that we have an impetus, an anti Catholic impetus. And of course, nothing could be further from the truth. The real people in our crosshairs are of course the anti Catholic hierarchs or dragging our church into the ground. So folks, having said that, it is clear that in times of crisis, heroes emerge. And Frank Walker, it seems to me that one hero that is ever clearly, ever clearer, a pastor who is not abandoning the flock to the wolves, is Bishop Schneider, who said something in a private meeting. And you're going to tell us a bit about it now a couple of days ago, on the subject of something that we've been discussing every week here on the war Room, which is the imminent episcopal consecrations of the Society of Pope Saint Pius X, he suggested, because it has been, has been mentioned that that if the Lefebvrists, the sspx, if they go ahead with these episcopal consecrations, that will incur latte sentencia excommunication, automatic excommunications, because bishops are consecrating other bishops without a papal mandate. And into this debate entered Bishop Schneider and he did agree. He was speaking in a private meeting, but he did agree to the publication of his private remarks. And Frank Walker, Bishop Schneider says that from his point of view, and this is quite a strong thing to say, very courageous thing to say, very true thing to say, right. And it gives an indication of where we are in the Catholic Church that it requires a degree of courage to say things which are true. But he said, should the church respond and announce excommunications, either latte sentence excommunications and say that those excommunications have already taken place, or if it should proactively proceed with punitive excommunications, they would not be valid. And that is, as I say, a very courageous thing for, for Bishop Schneider to do who's not from a world important primatial diocese out in Astan, I think it is in Kazakhstan, all the more brave, I think, Frank Walker, because most all of the cardinals that had been showing a bit of angle to trads over the last five, 10 years have basically publicly urged the SSPX to not to go through with these episcopal consecrations, which the SSPX says it's necessary to continue its mission. Tell us, please, put what Bishop Schneider said in its context and give me your thoughts and reflections to that, please.

[Frank Walker]

Well, I think Bishop Snyder was surprisingly positive about the SSPX consecrations in every respect. He sort of agreed with them. I'm cynical, you know, I'm cynical, but because Bishop Snyder, way back years ago, when Francis was on the scene and there was a lot of discussion about Francis's validity since Benedict had really had abdicated, which is very, very, very unusual. And he was always defending Benedict's validity in the face of a lot of different evidence and pooh, poohing it. That's his past. But here he's been very positive about the sspx. And, and he did say that the excommunications might not be valid in some respects, he said, and that is very brave and, and true. I think it's true. And the last time that there, there was an excommunication for this, they were lifted. And so he's not, he's not contradicting Pope Benedict here, but I think if he had gone and he said those excommunicate directly, those excommunications will be invalid, then he would get the Archbishop Vigano treatment. So he, he's avoided that. I just, I think that there's so much politically going on here with this, this, this situation is really frightening for Leo Church. And they're, they're, they're pulling out all the stops, everything that they possibly can to keep their project of Leo Church together, keep it from falling apart. For some reason. It seems like, you know, the little SSPX is really terrifying to the, the machine, to the machine that gave us the Vatican II church and Leo and Francis now. And they really don't want it to damage the church. But this piece that you mentioned here at 1 Peter 5, which was 1 Peter 5, was founded by a guy who eventually left the faith. And it was sort of a disgraced paper by the time it was over. And then it was bought up by Crisis magazine and bought UP by Tradinc. 1 Peter 5 is a Trad Inc. Operation. And I see this, this piece here about Bishop Snyder, highlighting it to be mainly a tradinc, sort of a therapy session to try to keep people on site with the SSPX and the whole TRAD movement all together in one big pile. They're afraid that they're going to lose the traditionalist movement with all of this that's going on. And the editor of 1 Peter 5 here is sort of trying to soothe us and make us relax and worry, not worry about it so much. It's in God's hands. You don't want to be like the devil. You don't want to attack Bishop Cardinal Mueller and Cardinal Seurat. You want to remember we're all in this movement together. Don't be the circular firing squad. You know, whenever they say that we, what they really mean is don't shoot me. That should be the, the, the motto of TRAD Inc. Don't shoot me. Because like you said, it's the perpetrators who should be punished, not the whistleblowers. That's your. How you open with here.

[Steve Bannon]

Don't, don't shoot me. And don't forget to donate.

[Frank Walker]

Right, exactly.

[Steve Bannon]

So you, so you, you. Look, let's just. Look, we've got a couple of minutes before I do an ad read here. One of the great strategies that Tradinc has pivoted to in these times, along with the give Leo time mantra, is the idea that consecrating without the Pope's consent is a schismatic act. And that's probably the worst thing that could possibly happen right now. So let's encourage the dialogue between the SSPX and Smoochie Fernandez. I have a different view. Frank Walker. I have a different view. I think that in as far as it's true that that schism is, is, is a devastating phenomenon in the life of the Mystical body of Jesus Christ, the schism has already taken place. The schism is the modernism embraced by 99% of the church hierarchy, that they are the ones in schism and the Lefebvbrists who are consecrating in order to protect the integrity of the unchangeable and unchanging Catholic faith. That is actually, that's not the damage of schism. That's the remedy to the schism that the modernist post conciliar Church has been inflicting on, on the faithful over the last 65 or so years. You mentioned Cardinal Muller and Cardinal Saur, who were both considered to be in some quarters to have been great stalwarts and defenders of traditional Catholicism. Cardinal Zen has made an intervention. Now, I have more sympathy for various reasons when it comes to Cardinal Zen, sentimental reasons. And I'm, I'm sort of prepared to give him just a little bit more leeway. But he has himself made an intervention on this. Just before I do the ad read, could you just summarize for our viewers what Cardinal Zen has said?

[Frank Walker]

Well, Cardinal Zen is just like Bishop Snyder, is very complimentary sort of flattering with them. But. But he's just like he did with, with the China policy for Francis. He blamed it all on Cardinal Perilan. To Tradinc is blaming everything on Kissy, Cardinal Kissy Fernandez of the ddf. And he's saying, go to Francis. Go to Francis. When it comes to Vatican ii, which Tradinc must preserve Vatican ii, it's part of the. It has to be held together. It cannot be dropped. And when they come to you about the doctrines in Vatican ii, go to Leo. Leo is a good listener. This is Cardinal Zan's messages. It's disappointing, really. It's disappointing, but it's not surprising because this is really how Cardinal Zen handled the betrayal in China. Everything was very, very good, very helpful, very positive and very supportive, except for when it came to the solution. The solution is the Pope or the Leo or the Francis. That's a summary, I think, of what Cardinal Zen is telling them.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, he said that. Go. Go to Leo. Leo is a father.

[Jenny Holland]

Yes.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, that wouldn't be, you know, I'm not a cardinal. Well, and that wouldn't be my advice. I'm extra as you are. Frank Walker, you. We are on the show extremely vigilant regarding Leo and his governorship of the church. We have been since day one because we quite, I think, quite correctly. I think each passing month is validating our original judgment call that leo is Bergoglio 2.0, more intelligent, more subtle, and more dangerous. Okay, standby, Frank. We'll be coming back to you in about 20 minutes. We're going to hear from Jenny in just a moment. But think about this, folks. Back in 2006, if you'd have spent $20,000 on gold at spot price, you would have bought around 33 ounces. Now, 20 years on, if you were to sell those 20 ounces that you'd bought. Excuse me, 33 ounces. If you just to sell those that you bought for $20,000, they would now be worth $165,000. So that's from $20,000 20 years ago to $165,000 today. That's an enormous increase. And that's why smart Americans have been diversifying a portion of their savings into precious metals. And that's why you need to consider buying gold from our good friends at Birch Gold Group. For thousands of years, gold has been a store of wealth, and today it's a crucial part of any balance strategy. Even better, Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401 into. Into a tax Sheltered retirement account in Gold. Just text Bannon to the number 989-898 to receive your free info kit on Gold. No obligation, just useful information with an A. With a Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers, let Birch Gold help you diversify with Gold. And that's peace of mind. So once again, text Bannon. That's B. A double N o n to 989-898. Again, Bannon 298-9898. Jenny Holland. We often say on the War Room that it's no longer true or accurate to refer to the UK as a post Christian society. It's more accurate to call it a pre Islamic society. Some people think that that's scare tactics, some people think it's an exaggeration. And yet attentive readers of the daily newspapers will know it's a pretty accurate indication of what's happening. You know what, before we hear from you on this one, before we hear from you on what's happened in the UK in the north of England with the education authorities, let's start off with a bit of good news. Because not only did you flag up this article that you wanted to share with the Warren Posse today, you also flagged up this, this, this good news coming out from New York. So, Kyle, if you wouldn't mind, let's just quickly have the footage and then we'll carry on with Jenny.

[Kyle]

Absolutely.

[Steve Bannon]

Packed, packed.

[Kyle]

Just came out of my ass there and oh my God, it was wedged. Shout out to St. Joe's and you all know that I too talk about St. Joe's this particular mass and it's four young adults on Sundays at 6pm this evening. I think it was generally there was over well over a thousand people at it. It was the most I've seen yet. And I seen a stat earlier in the week that said young adults between 25 and 30, both in male and female, are up over a thousand percent in the last couple of years. I think it's four to five years. That is an absolutely insane stat. And I will say this evening was particularly full of young ones and it was that busy that I was there well early and I couldn't even get a seat downstairs. I was sitting upstairs and it was wedged.

[Steve Bannon]

So shout out to St. Joe's for

[Kyle]

doing a great job every Sunday. But shout out to all you young adults that are getting back into your faith. I think it's a great thing. It gives you, it grounds you. It gives you something to hold on to. It gives you something to help you out when you either when you're doing well, when you're not doing well and when you need that good or faith to rely on. So shout out to all you young adults. I purposely don't take any pictures of videos in the chapel because I haven't asked the priest if I can do that yet or not. So I'm not going to until they give me the okay. But I wanted to show you what

[Steve Bannon]

it was like inside.

[Kyle]

It was absolutely wedged. I'd have to ask the breeze first though.

[Steve Bannon]

Well Jenny, thanks for flagging that up. And you really are one of the great analysts on the phenomenon that is taking place amongst Gen Z right now. Male 20 year old cohort of Gen Z. That statistic is absolutely astonishing. 1000% increase at this church in the United States. It's a split screen, isn't it? From what we've just seen on that video in the United States and the Renaissance in the seriousness of Catholic church going in the youth to what is happening in our dear old beloved uk. Tell us a bit. This is an astonishing story. Tell us a bit about the kowtowing behind the British education authorities and the councils having been warned that teachers teaching school kids how to paint, to draw, dancing to music. This is all harem in, in Islam. This is all against Sharia law. What, what's been the response to this? It's an outrageous story.

[Jenny Holland]

Yeah, yeah. So as you all know, I'm coming in hot from the soon to be Islamic Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland today. And yeah, it seems to be accelerating somewhat these stories that are coming out fast and furious about the growing political clout of the Muslim demographic in the United Kingdom. And most recently. Well, we had two stories back to back. First was this story coming from the north of England where local councils have warned schools not to approach or to beware of allowing the school children to produce blasphemous work such as drawing the human form. And there was a little sidebar as well on music where they said well of course you can't not have music but it, you know, Islamic music is only allows voice and something about drums. I'm not an expert. So schools now are expected to be sensitive to Islamic children's faith and not be asked to do anything that they would consider blasphemous. So that's on the one hand, right. Then we have the British government which really doesn't know its rear end from its elbow at this point saying that they're not going to do a blasphemy law. There's no way. No, no blasphemy. We're not going to reintroduce blasphemy. Blasphemy. Blasphemy laws were banned in the United Kingdom. But what we will do, they say is we are going to appoint an anti. A. Sorry, a what is it? An anti Muslim hostility czar or commissar, probably a better term, a commissar to make sure that no one is being mean to Muslims. So on the one hand, it's definitely nothing to do with blasphemy. You understand, Ben? Okay, I want to be very clear. It's not about blasphemy, it's about anti Muslim hostility. So although if you are a teacher in the north of England, they are explicitly using the word blasphemy, as in, in these reports, warning teachers not to do not to teach blasphemous or assign blasphemous classwork. Important to note, one of the schools in the catchment area of the councils that have been putting these documents out got into a terrible, terrible situation a few years ago when a. I think it was a secondary school teacher, a British, an English guy, showed a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad in a class and that man had to go into hiding where he still is with his family on pain of death. So we have currently a British man, citizen hiding from essentially, you know, a religious edict calling for his death in the British Isles. A British citizen is living under this, under this restriction, under this fear of death. So this new document, though, it's been leaked to the Spectator and it's a 46 page, 47 page, what's it called, cohesion strategy that is calling for the appointment of this witch finder.

[Steve Bannon]

General, so many things. I think the document is called Protecting what Matters. Seems like an attempt to me, Jenny Holland, to codify appeasement on behalf of the growing Islamic militancy in the uk. That case you were referring to about that schoolteacher, by the way, to go to grammar school up in the north of England, that took place in 2021. So that's what, 35 years ago now. And he's still in hiring, hiding because he had made the. The mistake of encouraging his pupils to draw the. The Prophet Muhammad. Couple of things here because teachers have also been warned not to ask students to, they're saying, don't reproduce images of the Prophet Muhammad or the figures considered to be prophets in Islam. But that of course includes Jesus Christ as well. So teachers are encouraging, being encouraged to encourage their students not to draw our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in The uk, this is. We're not talking about Dubai or any sort of Islamabad or any kind of Islam. We're talking about the uk. Though of course, the distinction is becoming ever more difficult to. Yeah, to observe. So what does that say? What does that say to you, Jenny Holland? That in the north of England children are not allowed to draw pictures of Jesus Christ now because of Islamic sensibilities.

[Jenny Holland]

Well, let's, let's think this through. What do children in the UK do Every December, everyone gets involved in Christmas celebrations and Christmas nativity plays and Christmas decorations and all of this stuff. And what is Christmas about? Christmas is about the birth of Jesus. So are we going to have little, little white children in northern English primary schools being terrified to draw a crown or draw other representations of the baby Jesus in case they get a fatwa put on them or they're told by a headmaster somewhere or some sort of school marm that they're very close to being blasphemers against the Prophet Muhammad. I mean, this is completely unsustainable. Where is the Church of England on this, by the way? This is a Christian country. This is not a country that was founded like the United States, you know, as a republic. We are a Christian monarchy in name only at this point. But they haven't gone through the trouble of changing the name. So we are still de facto that. That we have that heritage and the fact that it's being, I wouldn't even say chipped away, I would say demolished with a sledgehammer and a chainsaw at this point. So to recap, we are going to have a Anti Muslim blasphemy, anti Muslim hostility. Commissar. Children in the north of England are not going to be allowed to draw pictures of the baby Jesus. And we have a teacher still in hiding because on pain of death, he. He did something that was not acceptable, that was a crime against the Muslim religion. If you want to live under Muslim religious standards, move to a Muslim religious country and that's not England.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, you'll just stay in England because it will be a Muslim country within our own lifetimes. This is. I'm reading this. Right, look, give me 10 seconds because we're going to the British break now. But this is in the uk. This is an Islamo flex, right? This is the Islamic community may showing their muscle with the British establishment. Abolishment, right, so that the Brits can feel duly cowed and oppressed.

[Jenny Holland]

But it's actually. It's actually kind of worse because the, the full document, or as mentioned by The Spectator also says that Islamism is the Make America

[Steve Bannon]

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[Jenny Holland]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Frank Walker]

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[Jenny Holland]

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[Jenny Holland]

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[Steve Bannon]

Welcome back. Well, for those of you sitting on the edge of your seats waiting for to hear the rest of what Jenny Holland was saying, stand by. We're back to her in about 5, 10 minutes time where she's going to continue the theme that she was mentioning. In the meantime, Frank Walker, is it a surprise to you that that the U.S. conference of Catholic Bishops has lobbied SCOTUS via the Supreme Court of the United States via a formal amicus briefing, lobbying in favor of the preservation of birthright again, inverted government's birthright, citizenship for invaders, anchor babies. This is in response to, I think it's an executive order that President Trump signed back on the first day of him resuming office back in 2025, suggesting ordering and the federal government not to recognize the citizenship of children, of children of, of parents who were present illegally in the United States. This obviously gone to the Supreme Court, hence the present situation. Tell me a bit. Why is the Catholic Church, which ought to be a vehicle for the, for the, for the, for the spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ. Why is the Catholic Church getting involved in this and what did it say in its amicus briefing?

[Frank Walker]

Well, this is their, this is their grift, this is the, where they make an awful lot of money. And it's not surprising. They, they're. I, you know, since they're filing bankruptcy over, over abuse charges all over the place, you would think they wouldn't be able to afford to spend so much time with the Supreme Court. It seems like it would be kind of expensive. And they're happy to go to the courts on every little procedural monkey wrench that they can throw into the way ICE operates, taking away their control, their local control, making sure that they have to permit them to do all sorts of things. Everything they possibly couldn't do to slow down and, and stifle the deportations that are happening, they'll do. So this is, this birthright citizenship puts, puts, stops them from saying you're separating families. They love to say how, oh, they're separating families and they love to talk about the children, but they really don't ever have a case. Birthright citizenship has been going on in the United States for I think over 100 years now. It came with the 14th amendment, it was about slavery, but it isn't really, you know, inherent to the Constitution. And, but the bishops, it wouldn't make any difference. Their, their points are never really legal. Their points are human dignity. Their points are what they would call moral. You know, and since none of them are Catholic, they really aren't in any kind of position to make Catholic points. They say it's against the equality of peoples because they're favoring citizens over non citizens and they're taking that to the Supreme Court. But what about citizens rights? They don't care about that. What about the citizens dignity? They never address that. You know, they just, there's some people like at the Heritage foundation that says, you know, they're really, that it's always a one way street with this human dignity argument that they have at the court. And you know, they, they're more about political statements than moral ones. That's the case of the people against us. And they also say it's something that's fundamental to all societies and it's, and it's fundamentally Catholic. But most Catholic countries don't even have birthright citizenship. Only some countries have it. The Vatican doesn't have it, for example. You know, they really, to the Islamization point that you're talking about, it's happening in the United States extremely quickly. And the bombers at the recent outside Gracie Manchin know the story of these men, these young men with homemade bombs. Those men were brought in from Afghanistan with the help of Catholic Charities. And they're and they're living one of them lives in like almost a $3 million house. You know, it's and, and the Islamization is happening. They're setting up Sharia courts and all kinds of other cases to support this. They're just in, in, in union with that. They're making all that happen at the bishops themselves.

[Steve Bannon]

So I've got two points to make, three points. I'm going to respond to something that you said. I think the administration is going to eventually make the argument that the 14th Amendment was primarily concerned with ensuring that former slaves who were freed after the Civil War would have the full recognition of being U.S. citizens. And there's a very strong argument that it wasn't about granting the 14th Amendment wasn't about granting citizenship to anybody who was born in the United States because there's the famous clause about subject to the jurisdiction thereof, which indicates, of course, that citizens of other countries or have you diplomats, et cetera, et cetera, who have children don't automatically get the citizenship. And there but there are two immediate responses to this story. And the first is to warn faithful Catholics, hapless Catholics to some extent, but faithful American Catholics, that this is where your collection plate money is going. You might be putting that money in the collection plate for the winning of your parish church, for getting flowers for the altar, for the feeding of the poor and what have you, but this is going to pay lawyers to present these amicus briefings at the Supreme Court so you can ask yourself in the recesses of your own conscience whether you think your donate collection plate money is being well spent by the hierarchy. My more fundamental point, Frank, and I'll just hand back to you on this one, is that if you look, as you say, and you did expound what the Catholic Church's argument is to do with the sort of the inherent dignity of individuals being made in the image and likeness of God and all the rest of it, the arguments that the Catholic Church is the institutional Catholic Church is presenting in its amicus briefing aren't so much an argument in favor of birthright citizenship, it's an argument about denying US Citizenship to anybody, full stop, who asks for it. And that's the sort of the concern that I have, because they're operating under the principle that anyone born outside of the United States is simply basically a block of clay and they only get the full Dignity of humanity once they get the US Citizenship. Now, I'm sure there are many people who follow the war room who actually think, yeah, that's absolutely true. To be American is the highest form of humanity, and citizenship confers that dignity. I'm joking, of course, but the truth of the matter is that invaders, illegal Third World invaders, are made in the image and likeness of God. That comes with conception, and that remains until. Until death. You don't need to illegally break into another country to have that dignity ascribed to your being. But that's the sort of the. The subtext of the Catholic Church's argument here, which I do find slightly confusing. Just give me 60 seconds before we have to rush back to Jenny on this point. Their arguments are fundamentally against the idea of the US Denying citizenship to anybody.

[Frank Walker]

Right, exactly. Because they say that it's church teaching that you're not allowed to do that like you represent, but the true Catholic teaching and the attorneys that are on the opposite side, they say it'd be nice to have somebody elucidate actual Catholic teaching. That would be nice. If we had a different pope, we would have and different bishops, and we would have Catholic teaching. Because Catholic teaching says this isn't really a Catholic issue. The lawmakers of any country have a right to make these decisions themselves. It isn't really about human dignity or not. A Catholic Church would not say. I mean, why would they say that a country that isn't really even Catholic is better for people than people that are leaving a country that is Catholic? You know, if they're coming from Latin America, they're leaving Catholic countries. Why would the Catholic Church say that it's better for them to leave a Catholic country and go somewhere else? You know, they're just making up very specious, very weak, very thin arguments that aren't persuasive of anybody. And I think it's just desperation. El Paso diocese, where the head chief illegal aliens grift bishop cites is filing bankruptcy. They say it's because of the changes to the abuse laws, but really it's because Trump has cut off completely their gravy train down there. They just don't have the money that they had. And it's all about that. It's all about the money.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Jenny Holland]

So what Frank was just saying about the sort of intellectual incoherence of the, of the Church's argument on immigration in the States bears has some reflection on this document produced by this labor government, which is called Protecting what Matters on Social Cohesion, quote unquote. The, the, the obvious, raising up and making special, giving special status to Islam as a religion is the core part of this document, even at the expense of free speech and all this, all this very important foundational stuff. However, the document also says that Islamism, Islamic extrem, extremism is the biggest problem to social threat to social cohesion in the United Kingdom. And it also says that Britons must not should, but must embrace LGBTQ lifestyles, ideology, et cetera. So this is a dog's dinner, as they say here. This is neither fish nor foul nor good red herring. It, it will, it makes sense to no one and it will please no one. And I think that's fundamentally because progressive liberal left wing people are living in the delusional space where everyone can be happy and everyone can be special and everyone can have everything they ever wanted and no one is illegal and love is love. And I think there's a very large proportion of the United, of the United Kingdom civil service and political class that is completely enthralled to this obviously incorrect, to put it politely, idea. So we have this like whipsawing back and forth between common sense policy and pie in the sky fantasy policy that is also completely egregious in terms of civil liberties and is a threat to the British way of life. So the gender thing here has been a really good example of this as well, because while you had for many years a very captured NHS in terms of gender ideology, NHS calling, breastfeeding, chest feeding and encouraging trans women, I. E. Men to breast, to lactate, which I won't go into the details of because they're so foul and also having gender self id. So a man can just say, yay, I'm, I'm a lady. And that's the end of it. And men and women's prisons and all the rest of it, you had a very, very effective pushback year spearheaded by the now famous TERFs of the United Kingdom. And so it was announced this week that the NHS would no longer be treating children under the age of 18 with cross sex hormones. This follows on from a ban on puberty blockers, which happened recently as well. So it seems to me that this effectively kills off gender affirming care, I. E. Experimentation and child sex characteristic mutilations in the United Kingdom. So that is very, very good news on, on children.

[Steve Bannon]

Let me read something to you by Dr. Alice Hodgkinson, who's the founder of the campaign group Biology in Medicine. And she writes, in welcoming the NHS announcement, which for the American stands for the National Health Service, she writes that cross sex hormones do not become any less harmful on a patient's 18th birthday. There is mounting evidence of the long term adverse effects which include heart disease, stroke and early mortality. Let me ask you, do you think this move on behalf of the NHS reflects somewhat that the WOKE lobby overextended itself with badly presented arguments and this is somewhat of a counter reaction to those, to those early gains that the woke brigade made?

[Jenny Holland]

100%. I mean, I think like in the United States, the idea of transgender children is across the board horrifying to all sane people who aren't captured by WOKE ideology. And in the uk we had a very significant court case brought by a young woman who was transitioned as a teenager. Her name is Kira Bell and she, you know, brought this court case which eventually led to the shutting down of the preeminent gender clinic here or in London. It is. And so, you know, it is just obvious on its face that children cannot consent to having their puberty blocked and that it is obvious that puberty serves an important physical, physiological and biological function to the human body and should not be paused, quote, unquote. I will say, because you can't pause puberty anyway, really, and that men should not be given, or boys should not be given estrogen and girls should not be given testosterone. You don't need a medical degree to, to understand this. I mean, as the most famous of all the English terfs, Kelly J. Keene, said, I may not be a vet, but I know what a bloody dog is. You don't need a degree in medicine you to know that children should be allowed to grow up free from having their bodies pumped with, you know, synthetic cross sex hormones. However, as much as the common sense regular folk understand this, and as much as WOKE did overreach on the issue of transgender, I would not say that it's. The threat is passed. I would say that these are actual demons who have been working in this ideology and embedding itself in all institutions across the Western world. So I would, I would caution against letting the guard down in any way, even though it is a massive victory. And I hope that other nhs, you know, Wales, Scotland, whatever will follow and it's, it is an absolute blessing that children will no longer be mutilated by doctors in, under the NHS in England.

[Steve Bannon]

I just have two quick things to say, Jenny. First thing is that current children who are already on these treatments are allowed to continue them. But what the announcement has said is that there's going to be no new referrals. And since we've been on air, I did get a text to correct me on my Arabic earlier on in the first half. Anything which is against Sharia law is not harem, which is a harem. It's, it's haram. So I obviously didn't pay, I didn't, obviously wasn't paying enough attention when I was at Islamic school, in our, in our religious education classes at school because we didn't have those then. Jenny, you, I know you've got a book coming out. Just give me 20 seconds on your socials and, and preview the book that you're going to be publishing, having published quite soon.

[Jenny Holland]

Well, I don't know how soon, but you can find me on YouTube at saving culture from itself and on [e-mail] Many thanks, Jenny.

[Steve Bannon]

Indeed. You're absolutely a star. Pushing out some of these arguments out on social media. And Frank Walker, I say this every week, but it's absolutely true. Every day I check the Canon 212 website, greatest website I as an aggregator of everything I need to know about what's happening in the Catholic Church. Where do people go to to keep informed between our shows here on the war room.

[Frank Walker]

Yeah, canon 212. Yeah. And also canon 212 spelled out on Twitter and the daily update is at Gloria TV and at Rumble.

[Steve Bannon]

Perfect. That's it, folks. We'll be back next week. Steve will be in the chair 10am Tomorrow, thanks to Kyle and his crack team.

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