WarRoom Battleground EP 974: The Healthcare Industry Is More Of A Monopoly Than You Think

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room Battleground EP 974: "The Healthcare Industry Is More of a Monopoly Than You Think"
Date: March 23, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon

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Overview

This episode of War Room Battleground, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, tackled the unchecked power of Big Tech, Big Pharma, and the monopolistic tendencies of the American healthcare industry. Key guests included Tim Estes (AI entrepreneur and conservative advocate), Jan Jekielek (author and China analyst), Mike Lindell (business leader and activist), Neil McCabe (correspondent), and Dr. Jeffrey Tucker (Brownstone Institute). The discussion covered:

• The influence and dangers of monopolies in AI and healthcare
• The role of American institutions and democratic processes in striving for reform
• The battle between grassroots activism and entrenched corporate interests
• Global issues relating to China’s human rights abuses
• Current political developments and battles over healthcare policy and the war on Big Pharma

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Big Tech & AI: The Struggle for Control

• Guest: Tim Estes, founder of Better Future AI
• Key Points:
  • Estes recounted his 25 years in AI, from military and criminal uses to rescuing trafficked children ([01:25]).
  • Warned against the narrative that technical progress should come at any moral cost:

    “It’s a giant lie that you have to tolerate evil use cases of technology to get the good ones.” ([03:34])

  • Advocated for conservative leadership in AI regulation, stressing that if conservatives fail, “the socialists are going to protect Americans their way.” ([03:34])
  • Emphasized grassroots mobilization and public engagement (“If you're a mom at home...send it around. Let them know help is here. Help representing you is here.” ([07:21]))
  • Connected America's founding perseverance to today's struggle against tech monopolies.
  • Website for the movement: betterfutureai.org ([03:34], [07:21])

2. China: Human Rights & Economic Threats

• Guest: Jan Jekielek, author of "Kill to Order"

• Key Points:

  • Bannon condemned the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), calling it a “murderous dictatorship” responsible for mass atrocities ([08:12]).
  • Jekielek detailed forced organ harvesting and the dehumanization tactics of the CCP against vulnerable groups like Falun Gong, Uyghurs, and possibly Christians ([09:41]).
  • Warned about financial entanglement between the US and China, and the necessity of economic decoupling ([11:51]).
  • Discussed the suppression of positive Chinese diaspora stories, like Shen Yun, by both US media and CCP influence ([13:19]).
  • Book referenced: killtoorder.com

  Notable Quote:

  "The Communist Party instrumentalizes absolutely everything, including even people, including even human bodies and human body parts." – Jan Jekielek [09:41]

3. Grassroots Activism: Mike Lindell’s Campaign

• Guest: Mike Lindell

• Key Points:

  • Discussed political suppression and the challenges facing his campaign for Minnesota governor ([17:25]).
  • Outlined the economic persecution against his businesses and charitable initiatives.
  • Emphasized a plan to engage the public directly with rallies (mirroring Trump’s model), rather than relying on a hostile media landscape ([17:25]).

  Notable Quote:

  “We’re going to break through the media...just like the last five years, we broke through the big cover up or the biggest crime this country ever had.” – Mike Lindell [17:25]

4. Healthcare Monopolies & The Battle Against Big Pharma

• Guest: Dr. Jeffrey Tucker, Brownstone Institute

• Key Points:

  • Revealed court injunctions reversing RFK Jr.’s reforms at HHS, notably the disbanding of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), which had begun to roll back vaccine mandates ([34:37]).
  • Highlighted deep-rooted industry influence: judges, pharma funding, and collusion across media, academia, and advocacy groups ([38:36], [40:34]).
  • Described the deliberate neutering of grassroots and expert reform thanks to coordinated legal and political maneuvers by pharmaceutical industry allies ([43:49]).
  • Connected setbacks on gender-transition policy and other reforms to the wider corporate and political resistance.

  Notable Quotes:

  “This is judicial despotism of the most extreme and brazen sort.” – Jeffrey Tucker [38:36]

  “The pharmaceutical companies: they own the media, the universities, the journals, the professional associations—like, it's everything.” – Jeffrey Tucker [47:10]

  • Suggested the fact that such extreme legal moves may show industry desperation ([50:14]).
  • Resources: brownstone.org, covidjustice.org

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bannon:
  “America didn't have a prayer. The colonies had no prayer against the United Kingdom…But somehow, miraculously, America is the most powerful and greatest country in the world.” [03:34]
• Estes:
  “If we don't protect Americans as conservatives, the socialists are going to protect Americans their way. That's going to be bad for all of us.” [03:34]
• Jekielek:
  “We may have to suffer a little bit to do this, but I think it's essential that we do that.” [11:51]
• Tucker:
  “RFK is just this, David, against this Goliath, you know, and doing his best.” [47:10]

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Key Timestamps

• 01:25 – Tim Estes recounts 25 years in AI and illustrates practical applications and ethical concerns.
• 03:34 – Estes details grassroots efforts and historical analogies for perseverance.
• 09:41 – Jan Jekielek exposes CCP’s human rights abuses and forced organ harvesting.
• 13:19 – The discussion of Shen Yun and US media suppression of anti-CCP Chinese narratives.
• 17:25 – Mike Lindell describes campaign challenges and grassroots strategy in Minnesota.
• 34:37 – Dr. Jeffrey Tucker explains legal setbacks to RFK’s HHS reforms and the power of the healthcare monopoly.
• 38:36 – Tucker decries “judicial despotism” in federal court sabotage of reform efforts.
• 43:49 – Details on how industry colludes to maintain control and evade democratic oversight.
• 47:10 – Tucker and Bannon compare pharma’s power to the military-industrial complex.
• 50:14 – Tucker speculates on industry desperation and the need for public optimism.
• 50:31 – Resources for activism and further reading.

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Tone & Language

• The episode maintained an urgent, combative, and unapologetically populist tone, with Bannon and his guests invoking American history, David-vs-Goliath metaphors, and moral resolve.
• The speakers embraced direct language, passionate advocacy, and a sense of existential struggle against entrenched elites in technology, healthcare, and government.
• Calls for audience action (grassroots activism, reading, sharing information, and political engagement) recurred throughout.

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Additional Resources and Action Items

• Better Future AI (Tim Estes):
  Website: betterfutureai.org
• Jan Jekielek’s Book:
  killtoorder.com
• Dr. Jeffrey Tucker & Brownstone:
  brownstone.org
  covidjustice.org

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Closing Thoughts

The episode captured the War Room’s typical mix of deep skepticism of elites, a call to grassroots mobilization, and a focus on key battlegrounds: AI oversight, the CCP threat, and particularly, the healthcare system’s vast, hidden monopoly. Notable for its real-time reaction to breaking developments in both domestic health policy and global affairs, the episode provided a rallying cry for listeners to challenge monopolistic power and protect democratic processes.

Transcript

[A]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Monday 23rd March Year Overlord 2026 we're going to go back over the White house with Neil McCabe momentarily, but I want to finish with Tim Estes. Tim, you were telling us. I hit rewind. You've been in this industry 20 some years, it's not that you're a political guy. That said, hey, I read a book on AI and here's the problem. You really know the problem. Walk me through that story again.

[B]

So all I've ever done since college, I was a UVA kid, come from Nashville, Tennessee and I started an AI company at 20 years old and that was in 2000. I mean, I don't think a lot of people knew what AI was back in 2000. And so 25 years I've been in this industry. My first company, the first use case is we were hunting terrorists after 9, 11 with this technology. We were trying to figure out a way to look at all the signals and all the pieces, use early algorithms like ChatGPT type stuff and think of something 15 years earlier than that to go and help help our troops find the bad guys and protect them abroad. And then use it after the financial crisis to actually find people that were criminals, that were actually defrauding customers in these banks in the aftermath of the Great Recession. And then probably the coolest application that we ever built was with this wonderful charity called Thorne, where we started looking at all these escort ads online, millions and millions of them, where many of them were children. And we figured out a way for the AI to detect the kids. And this is in like 2015, 2016. And that system helped identify 12,000 children that were being trafficked for sex in this country. So I've been in this fight for a while, not as anything political. When I was growing up, I was close to Senator Fred Thompson when I was a teenager and so forth, I've had the amazing blessing of having amazing senators in my state like him and like Senator Blackburn. So I've always been an admirer. But this is an issue that's just too big to stay on the sidelines. And so I started getting involved with the last three or four years more publicly. And yeah, I think that AI is the most consequential technology in humankind in our history. And that means that we as a democratic republic need to decide where it goes. It shouldn't be ceded to like six human beings that have every incentive to do what works for them and not for us.

[A]

Where do people go to immerse themselves in what you guys are putting together? Because this alliance coming from the, the pro family groups and coming forward and say, hey, not only we end this fight, we're going to lead this fight is quite powerful. So Tim, where do people go?

[B]

Yeah, so we [e-mail] you can rally there. Sign up. I'm on X. Janet Kelly, our CEO is on X. She just got done running health and human resources for Governor Youngkin. She's solid Republican, conservative of 20 plus years. We have some great people on the council. You can see about in our about page on this one. They've been riding on these subjects for some over a decade. Some are the best legal minds on the right when it comes to family policy. So we have been doing this for some time. I'm blessed to help kind of pull it together. These are the heroes. Like I said, I kind of showed up in this lately because I was busy building and doing AI to try to make a good impact. And that's probably what, you know, that's where the center of my outreach comes from. Steve, is I think it's a giant lie that you have to tolerate evil, use cases of technology to get the good ones. Okay, I don't think that's true and I think that's the lie we're being sold right now. We can shut down the bad use cases or we can regulate it, or we can, you know, create disincentives in the market and try to keep this conservative. We can do any of those things. And if we don't do it, you know who's going to do it? The socialist. If we don't protect Americans as conservatives, the socialists are going to protect Americans their way. That's going to be bad for all of us. Okay, so I'm here as an intervention with this team to say let's return to our Roots. And if I can, for a second, I was trying to share something at the break that's been on my heart. And that's this idea that we're in this country that's coming to celebrate its 250th anniversary. And one of the things about this country when you're growing up, back when we used to have really good, you know, civics and teach you the history the right way, you knew things like America didn't have a prayer. The colonies had no prayer against the United Kingdom. To England. We were outmatched. George Washington went into battles over and over again thinking he wasn't going to win. Often struggled. But somehow, miraculously, America is the most powerful and greatest country in the world. And that is a divine intervention. Okay? We are here because we have a purpose. And the thing that's resonated with me is July 13, 2024, Butler, Pennsylvania. But for a split second turn of the head, we would have lost President Trump. That was a miracle. And I believe he knows he's here for a purpose. And I think that is to protect the American dream, the American people. That's why we're coming out here supportive of what he is trying to do, but trying to make it clear that his base, his voters are not with these tech oligarchs. They are not with these people that are exploiting families. And we have to shut it down, we have to turn it around. And our leaders in Congress need to not be taking meetings with these lobbyists, need not to be taking meetings with the money from these companies. They need to be taking meetings with parents. They need to be taking meetings with church leaders. They need to be taking meetings with workers, the people that are the heart of this country country and we are here there for them because we have a purpose. And I'll tie this all up, Steve. And something you asked me earlier in this interview, you said, how do we win? How against these trillion dollar companies, this little rebel alliance that we built actually prevail. And when I think about how improbable it is for America to be here, that's the reason, Steve. In fact, I know we're going to win.

[A]

Very powerful, Tim, if we don't. I think the revolution generation shows us if we don't quit, we'll win. You just have to stay in the fight. Just stay in the fight until the end. In the end, you'll win if you stay in the fight. Tim, one more time, where do people go? What's your social media?

[B]

I'm on. So you will look For Better Future, AI on X on Instagram and better futureai.org on the web. Come sign up, push it to your friends, send it to other families. If you're a mom at home that has kids, if you're a dad at home, send it around. Let them know help is here. Help representing you is here. We are doing this because we are you. Okay? We're not some slick political consultant that crypto funded and now AI is funding going out here to AstroTurf. We are the real deal, our members of the real deal. And we are here to have your back. And we believe that's what made the Trump presidency actually happen. As you were there for.

[A]

Amazing, Tim. Honored to have you on here. Look forward to having you back, sir. Great, Great.

[B]

Absolutely. Thank you, Steve.

[A]

Great launch. They got Heritage, they've got Terry Schilling. It's just a who's who of these family groups. We're going to have more of them on. They're in the fight. And in the fight. I couldn't summarize it better myself, what Chinder said. Mike Lindell's on deck. I want to go to Jan Yan. The book got as low as 111 on Amazon. It's now 201. We need more size. And here's the reason. You just talk about AI. And one of the big things is that, oh, we got to do all this and we got to give the tech oligarchs everything because the Chinese Communist Party. No, no, no, no, no. We need to stop the Chinese Communist Party from having any access to chips or ecosystem or training or. Or education about artificial intelligence. We must block it. We have to. We have a moral obligation to do it. Why? I don't know. Read the book. Kill to Order. Why do we have a moral obligation? The Chinese Communist Party, the way they think. And this is why. The biggest torturers and murderers of Lao Beijing, the Chinese people, they've killed, I think a quarter of a billion through concentration camps, starvation, beating, cultural revolution. You pick it up, you know, a five year plan, Great leap forward. All that on top of the 400 to 500 million through forced abortions, principally of little girls. This is why they have the imbalance in China. This is a murderous dictatorship. How do I know that? I've read Kill to Order. Jan Brother, walk me through it.

[C]

Well, I think you said it really well. And the thing is that, like the big thing that's in this book, of course I talk about this horrible forced organ harvesting industry. I mean, a murder for organs industry. That's Claims we don't know how many lives, but 60 to 90,000 transplants a year done in this kill to order fashion. But the more important thing, in a way is what you were talking about. And this is in a way the punchline of the book. But I explained it in detail from multiple vantage points, like especially valuable to policymakers. I think the Communist Party instrumentalizes absolutely everything, including even people, including even human bodies and human body parts. And you pointed out this forced. A whole forced abortion and one child policy industry. Right, like that. What a horror show. But again, like, these are the most vulnerable people. There's this massive dehumanization campaign against whoever the black class happens to be. And in China, for the longest time, it was basically the most vulnerable of us. Then it was the Falun Gong on forced organ harvesting. Then they added the Uyghurs when no one did anything about that. And it looks like they might be going after Christian sex. This is when I was talking with Rob Schneider at our book launch. I'm not ready to say that, but I do see the dehumanizing rhetoric. The point is that you're exactly right. We have to cut off these kind of deep financial connections which the CCP has built with us, of course, leveraging our greed, leveraging our kind of gullibility as well, to be fair. Right. And now they've kind of insinuated themselves deep into the global economic system. And this is a problem because we may have to suffer a little bit to do this, but I think it's essential that we do that. And this book explains why in that's where you can get it. But yeah, I mean, this is the time. And the fact that it went up to 111 on Amazon, all books. I'm just completely astonished. And it tells me that this issue, which was for the longest time relegated by CCP propaganda to the fringes, is now entering the mainstream. And thank God for that.

[A]

I don't want to give it away, but the New York Post has a blockbuster story. A producer with even the major TV networks reached out to me because they watch War Room and said, look, there's a couple people don't want to come out. We're going to book all that. I don't want to give it away, but it's going to detail how a big organ in the mainstream media has been suppressing information around these heroes, Lao Bajing, these Chinese heroes that have been trying to show the better aspects of Chinese people and Chinese culture. The CCP can't have that. They have to have everything has to emanate from them. That's why this is such a dangerous. This is why there's a difference between the CCP and the Chinese people and a difference between the CCP and the nation of China. It's a murderous dictatorship that has wrought nothing but agony on Lao Beijing. The little guy, the common man in China. We're going to get even more in that tomorrow, Jan. One more time where they go for the book. The book's at 201 now. We're gonna get it back up to 111. And of course, the New York Times bestsellers will figure all that out this week. But I want people to read this book and to think about it. Against the competitor. People say it's a peer competitor. No, it's not a peer competitor. It's a mortal enemy to the United States of America, to the citizens of the United States, to the citizens of China, to Lao Beijing and to all humanity. Don't believe me? Read Kill to order one more time. Where they go, Jan?

[C]

Killtoorder.com and get it now if you can. I mean, this is the time. And I don't even know if these days, but very soon we'll know if we made it to the bigger bestseller list. And if we do, man, that'll really blow this issue out of the water. Thank you for your help in this. But let me comment one thing about this story in the New York Post about Shen Yun. This is incredibly important, okay? Because this is the quintessential, the true American dream story, okay? These are people. These are, as you say, Lao Baijang, okay? Came over to America, okay? They built a dance company that has eight troops, okay? Over 20 years, right? No external funding. They built it with their own hands. Sweat tears. They've got people who are experts, from Taiwan, people. They managed to bring people from China who had managed to keep this traditional Chinese dance. They created an orchestra and they trained thousands of young people. And the CCP has been trying to destroy them. And this itself would be an amazing American dream story, okay? Except that the CCP has been trying to destroy them the whole time. Because their tagline is China before Communism. They explain to people why, actually all the great things about China don't come from the ccp, which is the quintessential CCP propaganda. And this is the reason the CCP hates them so much and has been trying to destroy them and as you've been saying, has been leveraging lawfare and leveraging some pretty prominent American media companies. I believe at least I believe the evidence shows this against them. So, yeah, amazing story. I look forward to seeing that bit on War Room tomorrow. And again, this is like the best of America for me. The opportunity created and people taking advantage of that and building the First Amendment right. Freedom of freedom of belief, freedom of speech and freedom of conscience at the core. This is what these people are living and this is what they transmit to millions of people every year. Shen Yun, you know, actually it's coming to, just coming to New York and there's a film called Unbroken which I've been invited to a premiere of next Tuesday in New York City and just kind of an unbelievable expose on this.

[A]

No, we're gonna get it all teed up tomorrow. Unbelievable, unbelievable people. China before communism. Remember that. Jan, thank you so much, brother. Appreciate you coming on.

[C]

Thanks so much. Killtoider.com for those that didn't hear it yet,

[A]

we turned, we turned Jan into a marketing machine. The most self effacing nice guy in the world. Humble book is amazing. Mike Lindell. Talk about humble, nice guy. Mike, I've been thinking about you all day because we had this morning on the show, we had Mike Davis walking through this issue before the Supreme Court of mail in ballots. And then of course we played clips on it early in the five o' clock hour. You have dedicated, you've turned to politics now because your beloved state of Minnesota is off the tracks. And people realize that you're there giving up everything to get in this fight. And they're coming after you hard, but you're giving as good as you got. But for, I don't know, five years, you put it on the line. They tried to destroy your company. They tried to destroy you, try to put the company in bankruptcy. And I kept saying, hey, this company employs so many people at good wages, they don't care. They try to shut down big box everything. Keith Ellison, you have a charity to try to use access to the word of the living Christ that people can use to get over their addictions. And they're coming after you for that. Why they have to destroy Mike Lindell Because Mike Lindell stood in the breach when it mattered the most. And I'm talking about in 2021 and 2022, those dark years when so many people fled the MAGA movement and so many people fled President Trump. That's where Mike Lindell stood in the breach. Lindell, you're a hero to people that watch this show. And I want to hear about what's going on with you, particularly on the day when The Supreme Court heard it and judge, and the Judge Alita was so amazing. A day is a day. A birthday, a holiday for the day. Labor Day, Memorial Day. How about Election Day? Mike Lindell.

[D]

Right. Well, thank you, Stephen. And you know, it's a tale of two candidates or two candidates too. You look at Minnesota, you know, Amy Klobuchar and I had a historical agreement back in 18 and 19 when we both said, hey, we gotta get to paper ballots hand counted. She was the biggest voice in the country. But what I did then with all that election fraud, went out and spent everything I had, 70, $80 million to secure our elections. When Amy did, she went to the federal government and got about 25 billion and brought it into Minnesota only to let it be stole through fraud. And Steve, you know what they're doing to me right now? I just looked it up here, Minnesota governor's race and they've got Amy Klobuchar came in, Tim Walsh dropped out. But then they've got candidates that have already dropped out, Republican candidates. You can't even find me. They're trying to suppress me running for governor, everybody, it's a big game they play. Let's just ignore Mike Lindell. What we're going to do, we've shifted our campaign now. We're going to do rallies all across Minnesota. I'm going to use President Trump's, what his model was. We're going to break through the media and just like the last five years, we broke through the big cover up or the biggest crime this country ever had, the world ever had, they wanted to take our country without firing a shot. So I'm very excited that we're going to take this route now. And you're right, all these attacks, Tim or Keith Ellison right now is still attacking my Lindale Recovery Network. MyPillow's still being attacked, but yet we're still standing by God's grace. And all of you out there that have supported us, which brings up where we're at today, everybody, we have two days left. We moved everything, my employees over six weeks, moved everything into our new factory. And we have two days left to get the product sold that is still in the old factory. And we're giving it to you for free shipping. Mattress toppers, mattresses made in the USA. You guys as low as 99.98. Take advantage of this. Free shipping right to your front door and the best prices in history. This combined with our mega sale, you get all of our products that are still in our warehous. We're closing out up to 80% off. It's mypillow.com war room. There it is, you guys. All the clothing line I just checked. We probably have enough to maybe make it through these two days, but whatever left, we gotta move. We gotta move out of there. So I'd rather to give it all to you. Free shipping promo code, war room. 800-873-1062. Greatest promo code in history, the biggest discount, and now free shipping right to your front door.

[A]

Mike Lindell, thank you so much for coming on here, sticking around. We'll see you in the first hour of the show tomorrow morning. Keep getting that factory. Make sure that factory gets all shipped out. And the war room posse buys the rest of the products and makes it available to us at these great prices and with no shipping. Appreciate you, sir. Lindale can't be beaten because Lindale's got the spirit of a lion. Absolute spirit of the lion. I'm gonna go to the White House in a moment and with Neil, we're gonna talk about the Save America. Our no deals. Not going to do a deal. Looking to do a deal. Maybe in the Persian Gulf, in Iran. He ain't doing. He's not trading off. And I think we've got verification. The lines have disappeared. Far be it for me to say because the ICE guys show up, maybe the lines got shorter. Huh? Huh. But you also got this situation with the ICE agents there and things just moved along, so. Mark Elias, you're right. I think it's perfect training for the fall of 2026. Look what happened. They'd moved everybody along. People get there quick, they vote quick. Maybe every now and again they pull somebody line. Hey, yo. Id. Got an id? Id? Don't have an id. Can you step over here? Can you step over here? I know the mainstream media hates it, but that's what's going to happen. Because you know what? We're not going to have any more elections stolen. Not going to happen. There's $100 billion of fees every year, Medicare, for those at a certain age to use it or be a. To be available to you. Remember, this is not a social welfare program. This is all about kind of what you paid in. And this thing gets so complicated. Everybody's got to use an advisor. What most people don't know is the advisors are really paid for by the insurance company. There's $100 billion of fees out there every year and a lot of the advisory business to kind of shift those fees to the insurance companies. The company named Chapter you get a free consultation. I think this one will change your life as far as your Medicare goes because already we've gotten tremendous feedback from the Warren Posse. The CEO came on in the first two days last week. I think it was Thursday, Friday. He came on Saturday after we launched this on Thursday. He said that Warren Posse members had already saved hundreds of thousands of dollars. And if you're in a Medicare plan and you're uncomfortable with it, you think you're paying a penalty or fee. They have a free consultation. 845-war-room. War W A R room R O O M 845-war-room. Tell them you're part of the posse and get a free consultation. Just unload to them everything about Medicare. You can't give them too much information. This company didn't come out of the healthcare industry, it came out of the data industry. So they have every, every, every. I think there's tens of thousands of different perturbations on the program. This the reason it's so confusing. It's been put together over a long time and it's obfuscated I think so that the tie goes to the insurance companies. That's what chapter is to break. They actually represent you. 845 war room. Just check it out today. It's a free consultation. You don't feel comfortable obviously move on. But I think you're going to get some traction in here. War room. 845 war room. Call them right now. Neil. Neil, you've hung around for us at the we got Dr. Tucker when we come back but I want to take a minute or two save America any kind of updates. I know the president kind of, you know, had what we call in the Navy a come round with Thune last night. Say look we're not cutting deals. I don't want this thing to be kabuki theater. I want it passed. What do you got for us sir?

[E]

Well of course over the weekend one of the amendments was attempted and that was the keeping men out of women's sports. They couldn't get cloture on that. They got 49 votes. The right now the Senate is not on the Save America act right now they're on the confirmations of Colin McDonald to be the Assistant Attorney General for fraud and you have Mark Wayne Mullen to be the new Secretary of Homeland Security. Those votes are expected a little before 8 o'.

[A]

Clock. Steve on over at the John Solomon just the news. You did an interview earlier by the way. So we'll get up to. I'll get up On Get her later about what's happening on Save America. You did an incredible interview. I want to take a minute because I want when I know I got permission when John Solomons played it. You've done an incredible interview with a young man in Colorado that really comes out and kind of makes the case of what's going on behind the scenes about Tina Peters. I don't want to steal the thunder, Justin News they're going to play it, but just give me a minute on what you found out about the Tina Peters situation.

[E]

It was a very interesting dynamic inside Colorado. You have Jared Polis who's termed out as governor a Democrat who wants to be president of the United States. And he must have made some kind of calculation or he had internal polling saying that Tina Peters and her situation is resonating with people around the country and is something he cannot defend. And so he has basically sold out Colorado Democrats who want Tina Peters to die in jail and he is trying to navigate how to give her some form of clemency. And basically Scott Bottoms, who's a state rep, a pastor, he's running for governor of Colorado and he's saying, hey, he really believes that Paulus will find a way to spring her and maybe it has something to do with the Justice Department investigating some of the agencies in Colorado and maybe that will be part of the deal.

[A]

Steve Neal, we're going to keep people up to date on RAV in war room throughout the night on Save America Act, President Trump said, hey, Mike Lee's trying to get some legislation. I don't want kabuki theater. I want legislation. John Thune, you named the leader. Act like a leader. So there's a lot going on there. People don't despair. If you thought maybe it didn't have the energy. Mike Lee's fighting the good fight. Where they get you, Neal, throughout the night for your updates,

[E]

you can follow me at reporter McCabe on all the socials. Steve,

[A]

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Tucker was smart enough to realize and this has happened in a couple of different areas that are Quarter maga, our coalition with Make America Healthy Again and all the great work that Bobby Kennedy has done. Obviously people realize hey, what is up? When the roundup thing happened and then seemed like Bobby was kind of put in a cage and you heard the leaks. Oh, you know, he can't do anything for the midterms. The midterms, the midterms, the midterms. When you hear that that's all the corporatist lobbyists getting to certain people in the White House staff and on the political side, it Just is, you saw that, that Capitol Hill meeting where they leaked to the press and they were talking about, you know, drug transparency. I mean, issues that are important but are not going to move any needle when it comes to the midterm elections, which we're in the middle of a war, right? Not just the one in Iran. I'm talking about the one against the deep state and the people that did the pandemic and the vaccines, all of it. And so Tucker was smart enough, he went out and said, hey, look, I just don't believe this information. I said, I don't believe it. So he went and did a massive poll himself, right? Did a massive poll himself. And guess what it came back with, I don't know, 2/3 to 80% of the.2/3 to 75% or 80%, depending on the topic you pick. Agree with, I don't know, the moms in the country that have now come to make up the Maha movement and be a coalition partner with maga consistently what Bobby Kennedy's fighting for and quite be brutally frank, what President Trump has taken the lead on so many times, including Vax. And now we got judges making decision. We're in a big old battle over there and we gotta have these guys back. But then Jeffrey Tucker tells me over the week, he says he was gonna come over the weekend, but we got so jammed with war news. And he says, hey, this is kind of war news because what's happening here globally and what's happening particularly in these energy markets is starting to me to have a feeling like the great reset in the pandemic and Covid. So, Dr. Jeffrey Tucker, thank you. Just give us your thoughts on what's going on and particularly as it ties together with our great coalition partner, Make America Healthy Again. Because we cannot forget that. Let me be blunt. We cannot win unless Maha is an active part of our coalition. That is the lesson of, quite frankly, 2022 midterm, right? Where we took control of the house in the 2024 election where President Trump won the greatest come from behind victory in the history of, I think, democracy. And to just kind of schluff that off is people that are missing the signal for the noise. Dr. Jeffrey Tucker, your thoughts on all this.

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Sir, we got two big blows to us delivered by industry in the form of court judgments last week. The first one came out of Massachusetts. It was the American Academy of Pediatric was the plaintiff in that case. And the judge issued a preliminary injunction in which he said the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices has to be Dismantled. It's in effect illegal. And all of his judgments, including thousands of hours of works by top medical scientists and data statisticians and really the best people in the business who are not conflicted by Big Pharma, have done wonderful work. And the childhood schedule was dialed back by five shots. And some other changes were coming. Many shots were put on instead of recommended, which in effect means mandated. Was changed the status to shared decision making. So this is all going well. RFK was playing according to the rules, right? Doing exactly what the system sets up. It was totally within this prerogative. The American Academy of Pediatrics, which is backed by the eight largest pharmaceutical firms, sued in Massachusetts of all places. And this judge, Brian Murphy, issued a preliminary injunction to wipe it all out. Just frankly said, a SIP is illegal, it has to be disbanded. And all of his decisions over the last year have to be reverted. That was a devastating blow because this is the centerpiece of what RFK was doing. It was really a stroke of genius, as I say, playing within the rules to apply genuine science in ways that could make America's children healthier, but then threatened the interest of the pharmaceutical industry. So they went to the courts. And the courts, these district judges, these rogue judges, one of them in a venue they chose, decided to make a SIP illegal and thereby demoralizing and deleting the work of 1215 scientists that have been appointed to the ACIP committee. So that's one thing. We didn't even have a judgment in this case. All we have is a preliminary injunction. So it's going to be up to the Department of Justice to decide what to do. Meanwhile, the CDC has had to comply. So, Steve, what's happened now is the CDC has reverted back the schedule to what it was two years ago. And PhRMA is celebrating this as they did this morning in the New York Times, including that strange Satanist allied doctor who resigned from the ctc, is quoted all over the New York Times saying, this is just great. This is a major blow to rfk. So that's one that's out of Massachusetts. The second federal court decision, or it was a ruling from the bench. So not even. It was just some guy talking from the bench, if you could believe it, right? Not even a decision, not even a judgment, not even an opinion argued, just yammering, blah, blah, blah. From the bench said that RFK's changes to HHS policy concerning gender, child transitions, or what's also called mutilation have to be reverted. And the plaintiff, that case was blue states. And they got their way and are now overriding another major piece of the agenda that RFK put in over the last year to the cheers of the multitudes of people. So we've got now two rogue justices overriding democracy, the will of the voters, Trump's wishes, stated wishes in a press conference, and his appointee and the appointee, scientists.

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This is.

[F]

This is. This is. This is judicial despotism of the most extreme and brazen sort. I'll stop there.

[A]

No, hang on, hang on. But I want to drill down. Hang on for a second. This, folks, as you remember, we had Tuberville, Senator Tuberville on Friday was so proud, or maybe Thursday, so proud of on Saturday afternoon as they had this massive debate on Save America. They were going to add what President Trump's had to be added, no men and women's sports. And then on Sunday, they were supposed to do the transgender mutilation. Tuberville, they got blown out on Saturday. Not even close to that. I think it was 53, 47. I'm not even sure they even got to the thing yesterday, but they told them in advance. Blue states, you're not going to move this back to the panel. I just want to go back and make sure everybody understands this. In Bobby Kennedy's confirmation, of which this audience was the primary factor in making sure it got approved. Because you guys went to the Rampart station, we have to approve Bobby Kennedy in there. They grilled him about this vaccine schedule. Bobby Kennedy colored inside the lines. Everything was done methodically. In fact, of the ones that are scheduled, I think there were only five taken off with overwhelming evidence, of course, Big Pharma and the blue states. On both of these, on both setting up the panel and doing it the right way, and on the transgender mutilation. What they had to do to run to court, Dr. Tucker, is to prove that, and the courts had to step in here, that if you play by the rules, you color inside the lines, you actually do the will of the people. Because these were major campaign issues for the MAHA folks and for maga, and that's one of the reasons Trump won, that they'll refute it. They'll go to these rogue judges and they have the power of the best law firms in the country, the best research in the country, and of course, the media, as you see in the New York Times, they cheering them on.

[F]

Correct, sir, that is everything you said is exactly correct. But what happened when RFK came to HHS is that he examined the system and how it came to be, and everybody pointed to this advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which has been around for decades, it's mostly just rubber stamped whatever pharma puts in front of them. Actually, whatever pharma puts in front of the cdc, the CDC puts it in front of this committee. And the committee sleeps through the meetings. They wake up at the very end shaking off hangovers and take votes. And it's always been unanimous. Every new shot gets approved. Well, RFK looked at who's on the committee and found obvious, stated and many unstated conflicts of interest. Direct payments to these guys from pharmaceutical companies, ownership of patents and the drugs on which they're voting. I mean, this is a brazen plot. I mean, it was so outrageous that it struck RFK that, well, I'm here to root out corruption. How can this committee possibly survive? Is it within my power to fire them all? And the answer came back, yes, it is. It's up to you. So he did, he fired the whole committee and then went on a nationwide hunt to find actual experts and vaccines and medical science and data science and all these areas. People who have written and studied this issue very carefully, many high level professors and places like Brown and Tufts and many other places put them on the committee, provided they had no conflicts of interest. So this was not an easy thing to find in this world, as you can imagine, Steve, finding people who are experts on immunization practices that weren't paid by pharma. It's definitely the exception, not the rule. But he populated the committee and they've been meeting for an entire year and they've been gradually dialing back the childhood schedule, which has exploded beyond belief since the 1986 indemnification of the industry. They've been doing everything exactly according to the rules, working very hard, very earnestly, very sweetly and with great precision to look at the data, to find the data, which is a trick in itself, and come together in public meetings. We've all watched them and it's been very scrupulous and wonderful to behold. It seems like. Isn't this the way reform is supposed to happen? You vote for leaders, the leaders appoint appointees, they play by the rules, try to eliminate the conflicts, change the system. So the system was being changed just slightly on the margin, but in a way that looked like progress to me and to many people. So it was. And this next week, actually, when I say this next week, I mean this week, the ACIP committee was going to address vaccine injury, vaccine injury. For the first time in the history of acip, they're going to examine injury, okay, that was on the docket and the documents had all been prepared, the testimonies have been written. And it just so happens that a matter of days before this committee could meet a federal judge.

[A]

There are no coincidences.

[F]

Yeah. On behalf of American Academy of Pediatrics,

[A]

I wanted to have you also on the. On the war and other things. But I'm gonna get you back on this because I want to tell a story that I don't think I've really told all of it, and I don't have time to tell all but about what Bobby Kennedy's up against. And like you said, they're getting vaccine industries and you get this ruling. They're no coincidences, folks. This whole thing's rigged. It's 100% rigged. Rigged because Bobby Kennedy's going up against the power of big pharma, the big pharma distribution companies. This is why we have All Family Pharmacy now as a sponsor. He's going up against the food processors. He's going up against Big Ag. He's fighting. I mean, it's almost like it's worse than the defense industry and almost big tech. Let's go back to 2016, when President Trump first won. We had that meeting with Bobby Kennedy and of course, the whole world, you know, when Bobby Kennedy went down and said he met with the. With President Elect Trump, the whole world melted down. And we were working on getting a meeting with Dr. Francis Collins, who kind of ran the deal. Right. I think it was nih and he was the guy. Fauci was a grand Dune compared to him. This guy ran it. And I remember in setting, because I was kind of running that aspect of it up in Trump Tower, I was told by a person, point blank, he says, I'm not so sure you could get Collins to come up for a meeting. I go, excuse me. He says, yeah, I don't think Collins will be coming to. I don't think he'll come see Trump. And I go, it's not Trump. It's the President elected the United States he's coming to see. And he goes, yeah, you don't understand. He says, this guy, he says this system is set up, that they've taken all this money and they've put it in every congressional district, gets a taste, gets their beak wet on some sort of research at a university. He says, this guy's bulletproof. He says, there's nobody going to move on Collins and nobody going to move out Collins. And what Collins says is what Goes. And I said, are you kidding me? And they go, no, you got to understand the reality here. He's the man. You guys are just passing through. Like all the elected officials just passed through. You're just here for a while. They're permanent and they run the deal. And now it took a little negotiation, but he came up and saw President Trump. But when he came in there, it was like, I'm gonna give you a little bit of information. You seem like a nice guy. Glad you won. Hope you have a good time. Is my train. I'm gonna go get my train. Again, it was not like, tell me what your ideas are about this, Mr. President Elect. We're here to, you know, we're here as faithful public servants. He was like an emperor of this whole thing. And I understood and I said, listen, no congressman's gonna go against this guy because he's given him money in their districts. Each one all 535 and 435, and throw in 100 senators. He spread money all around these guys until Bobby Kennedy came on the seam under President Trump's second time. Because the first time, we didn't lay a glove on them. It was Bobby Kennedy that went to slay dragons. And he did it, Dr. Tucker, in a very specific, smart way. And they realized, we got a problem here. Let's get the best lawyers, let's pick a. Let's go job shopping. Let's get one of these super progressive judges, and we got to shut this crap down, and we got to shut it down now. Is that not the story here, sir,

[F]

that your story sounds so realistic in every way in which you told it? The industry is a hegemon of.

[D]

Of.

[F]

Of unprecedented extent. We've never seen anything like it in the modern age. Maybe the defense, Interesting comparison, that I'm not even sure about that, because the pharmaceutical companies, they own the media, the universities, the journals, the professional associations, like, it's everything. They have an unbelievable amount of power. And, And. And RFK is just this, David, against this Goliath, you know, and doing his best. Not only that, RFK has the backing of Trump in all respects concerning.

[A]

This is my point. The President of the United States won the greatest comeback. And he said, this time, I'm gonna take care of it. You get a hammer like Bobby Kennedy. And remember, in the Roosevelt Room, President Trump, I'm sitting here doing live coverage, and I go, wow, I thought I was gonna give Bobby Kennedy cover. He's ahead of Bobby Kennedy. He was bringing those people up, and he says, let me have another story come up here. I said, president Trump, this thing cuts to the core of his deep lift system. And guess what? The opposition doesn't care. They don't care. They go, hey, we don't care what Trump thinks. We don't care what the president feels. We're big pharma and you're not. And we're going to roll hard because we own the media.

[F]

We don't care.

[A]

Congress, we own the House, the Senate,

[F]

care about the people, the votes. Elections, none of it matters. Right?

[A]

They make America healthy again. Make America healthy again. Hey, you ladies out there, there, the Children's Health Defense Fund suck on this. We're in charge.

[B]

You're not.

[A]

You're just some sort of rebel faction.

[F]

Let me run something by those something that something that occurs to me about these two cases. Right. Because the Oregon case is also a pharma case. We got to remember because child gender transitions or whatever means a lifetime of sales funnel for big pharma. That's what it means and that's why they favor it. That's why the American Academy of Pediatrics has been pushing mutilation since 2018. Consistently keep renewing their push. It's a farmer's camp. But here's what I'm thinking. Stephen, let me check this comment against your intuitions to resort to these kind of brutal methods of extreme, undemocratic, unjustifiable, preposterous ruling from a bench emergency injunctions, these kinds of things. These strike me as maybe be acts of desperation like we've got to hold on. This is the only tool that we have left in our toolbox are these are these ridiculous federal judges. That's what it feels like to me. I think they would rather do anything else. They'd like to pay off the ASAP members, get a toady in as HHS secretary at nih. They'd rather work in a sort of surreptitious way not this public way with sledgehammers. So I'm wondering if maybe this is a case in some sense for optimism that they are on the run and now they're resorting to extreme uses of power just to hang on to whatever they have.

[A]

I'm a bother you to track after the show I'm going to talk to you and see if we can't get you on the next couple days on the broader geopolitical and geostrategic and how the ties back this until then you you guys are doing the Lord's work. Where do they go? I want to get all immerse people in information about this sir.

[F]

Dr. Brownstone.org is the go to place. That's where you'll see an article about the lead article right now is on this Murphy case out of Massachusetts. And then Also we've sponsored covidjustice.org which is our one means that we have of making our voices has heard over everything that's happened to us over the last five years. So everybody should sign that petition. Both those things. Thank you, Steve.

[A]

It was just totally coincidence that right before the vaccine injury, you know, discovery session when it's all going to come out for the American public, this happens. There are no coincidences. Dr. Jeffrey Tucker, Brownstone. You guys are doing the Lord's work. Thank you so much for joining us.

[F]

My pleasure, Steve. Thank you.

[A]

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You move.