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WarRoom Battleground EP 976: Co-star of film once banned in the UK for blasphemy reverses course and defends “Christian values”
WarRoom Battleground EP 976: Co-star of film once banned in the UK for blasphemy reverses course and defends “Christian values”...
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Sam,
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To every friend of Ireland in this room today, I just want to wish you a very happy St Patrick's Day. Special day.
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Very great day.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go
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to share the big lie? MAGA Media I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is the same, Save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K.
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Bannon,
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Cornwall, here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Rooms, that spot in the week when we dive down into development in all things Christian, joined by our usual battleground guests, Jenny Holland and Joseph Robertson. Good evening to you both. Thanks for. For joining us. We had the cold open there of the festivities for St Patrick's Day yesterday primarily as being celebrated in the United States. I don't know if they dye the colors, the rivers green in Ireland. I, I don't know if they have that, that, that devotion to St. Patrick. Jenny, seeing before we, before we move forward with the show, Jenny, seeing as that you're. You live on the Emerald Isle, even if in the British part rather than the Irish part, tell us a bit. I thought it might be an opportunity just to do a refresh on the life of St Patrick, who he was, when he lived, what he stood for, why he's remembered. Tell us a bit. Obviously, people know St. Patrick's Day. It's impossible, I think, to watch the news and not be aware of its annual passing. But perhaps some of the details over who it is that we're celebrating might have been slightly forgotten in the, in the rush to get a couple of Guinnesses in at the pub. Tell us a bit about St Patrick. First of all, when was he, when was he active?
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So sorry, excuse me. Well, he came along about 400 years after Christ, I believe, and this will please you no end to stick it to the Irish. But he was not, in fact Irish. He was actually a Britain. He was a Roman Britain who was kidnapped by Irish bandits and taken over across the Irish Sea to Ireland, where he toiled as a slave, a shepherd, but as a Slave in status. And he ended up in the north of Ireland, which is. You're correct, where I am in Ulster. And he ended up in a particular part of Ulster which I'm very familiar with as I lived there myself for several years. And it's a very beautiful and mystical part of the world. So as he gradually became, you know, he. I think he was a Chris. His family was identified as Christian, as we would say today back in Britain. He. His religious religiosity grew as he was enduring the hardships of life of a slave shepherd in the very, very cold and damp countryside of Ulster. And he had the chance to escape eventually, but was called back to the same area, which is the eastern.
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The.
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The coast of county down, which is the very eastern side of the north of Ireland. And that is where he founded the Church of In. In Ireland. That is where he is buried now.
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He.
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He proceeded west a little bit to Armagh, which is the seat of the Church, the Catholic Church, and the Church of Ireland, which is a little bit further west inland, but county down, and in particular Down Patrick and the. Of hills surrounding it are truly magical. And it's sort of funny because I was living there during COVID and that is where I. My own. The first green shoots of my interest in Christianity and Catholicism really took root. And actually it wasn't until today when I was reading up on this in preparation for the show, that I put two and two together that I was living in the same neighborhood essentially as St. Patrick, as I was becoming very partial and very open to Catholicism in general. So make that. Make of that what you will, Ben.
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Spiritual. Spiritual father to you then. Is there much devotion in Ulster, in Northern Ireland, to St Patrick?
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Oh, loads. I mean, yes. I think it's funny because he must be the most famous of all the saints. I mean, I think as the only saint whose day is so widely marked across the world. And you know, a cynic could say, yeah, it's because everyone likes to get tanked on pints of Guinness. But, you know, it is something of a. Of a. Of a remarkable testament to his. His achievement. I mean, of course, because Ireland pre Patrick, you know, it was a pagan society. It was very ancient society full of myths and legends and fairy tales. And there was always this sort of spiritual, mystical aspect to Ireland. But the way that the Christianity took root here was equally fervent and foundational. And the fact that the Irish diaspora stretched all across the world and they all carried with them their devotion to their. Not just their religion, but to their homeland. Yeah. I mean it is something of a cultural festival now more than a religious one. You'll see the parades here, both here in Belfast and in Dublin are much more focused on folklore and myth and sort of puppetry and juggling and that sort of thing and, and less on this sort of traditional Catholic ethos or even aesthetic. But yeah, I mean it's, it's a national holiday here. Everyone's off, the schools are closed and both in the north and the south and it's, yeah, it's, it's a nice day. It's a day for celebration. Although yesterday I did go, I am doing Lent myself and I did go to the local pub to have a non alcoholic Guinness and just to, you know, celebrate my, my heritage. And a woman came into the pub. I'm, I'm in a part of Belfast that is Protestant, Catholic mixed. It's an interface area. And a woman came in and was wearing an Irish flag on her jacket and the bouncer politely requested that she take it off and turn it inside out because the crowd in the bar is not entirely attached to the trickler, shall we say. We'll leave it at that. So these implications endure somewhat. But overall, yeah, it's a massive celebration. Everyone loves to dress up in great green and go out and see the parades and have a couple of pints.
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I have to say here in Italy, the day yesterday just passed everyone by without even a ripple. Of course for the Italian church there were no saints outside, there were no saints who aren't Italian. Basically this Catholic devotion basically has it anyone who might have achieved anything, whose non Italians quietly put off, should I say Joseph, anything on St. Patrick's Day in, in sunny UK yesterday, sunny London?
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Well, of course I think we've probably got a larger diaspora population perhaps than, than even some of the major cities in Ireland now. So yes, London, London had plenty of festivities. They're not quite as big as they are in Dublin, but I'm sure everyone was down the pub and making it a Guinness rather than a Fosters for once. But on that topic of Italian saints, I do remember being on holiday in Sicily last, being rudely awakened by cannons firing at 1am for the local saint. So they do keep their traditions far more alive than we do.
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Sure. Any local saints that has no devotion even outside of the parish will get fireworks and cannon and the local band will be out in force and the local mayor will be out in force. And even in a, in a mountain village of 100 or so inhabitants you have national saints like Saint Patrick. However, which sort of American island will be in the UK will be remembering nothing. Nothing here in Italy. So St Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland, born in Scotland, as Jenny was saying to Roman parents around 385. When he was a teenager, St Patrick was kidnapped by an Irish raiding party and taken to Ireland island as a slave. And then he made his way back and studied for the priesthood. So he was Scottish and that's fine. I think plenty of countries have patron saints like St. George, who wasn't of the nationality of the country. I knew, of course, so he was Scottish. I knew there was a reason. I like St. Patrick, the land of my grandmother. Jenny, just stay with us just for quick, one quick moment before we move over to Joseph, tell us. I noticed that there are some positive news which we do like to cover every now and then. Again, coming out of the German Church, I hear that the number of Catholics formally disaffiliating from the church in Germany has now fallen for the third year in a row, while the percentage of Catholics attending Mass has risen for the fourth consecutive. Yeah, I know this is something that the movements in both ways that you follow and report to us every week on this. Anything here in the general developments that you want to flag up for us?
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting that the German state taxes German citizens who are officially registered as members of the Christian Church, so either the Catholic Church or a Protestant denomination. And so this is why we have these striking numbers. So in order to get out of paying the tax, which is, I think they. I think it was like 7, 8 or 9% of your income tax, not your income. So it could be several hundred euros a year. And to get out of paying that, you have to formerly go and get paperwork done and pay a small fee to renounce your faith. And in 2022, 500,000 Germans formally renounced their Catholic affiliation and that they call them exits, they exited the Church. I'm not aware of any other country that does something like this. So these numbers are actually, to me, quite stark. And yes, exits, the Catholic exits from this year or last year are down to 300,000. But that's still a lot of people. And that, yes, there are. There is a slight rise in the percentage of people attending Mass. But, you know, it might well be that sort of the last man standing is more committed and more fervent than the sort of nominal Catholics who are saying, well, why am I paying this tax and I never go to church and I don't care anymore. Interestingly, I found that the statistics overall for the religious sort of affiliations in Germany, Catholics are down to 23% and Protestants 20% of the population. The largest group is non religious or non affiliated at 40 to 50% and Muslims bringing of the rear at 7%. Now there were, I think it was, there's a German government study that says that 69% of the refugees, as they called them, entering into Germany from 2013 to 2019, 69% of them are Muslim. And among the people who are the refugees, as they, the word they use, who are religious, they, they have a high level of religious belief that would indicate to me that the Muslim population of Germany may be more committed and more fervent and that the Catholic population, while these numbers have gone down somewhat in terms of people leaving, are not all that reassuring to me. I personally don't see this as good news.
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Ginny, I think you're absolutely right on that Synthesis. There's a lot going on in Germany. We're seeing the huge exits. And I agree with your analysis that they're not really commensurate with the gains that the German church is making. And I would speculate that those gains are taking place in spite of the established institutional Catholic Church's best efforts rather than because of anything that they're doing. But the fight back is certainly taking place. It's taking place in the AfD on the political level. It's taking place as right across the West. And it won't be your or my age bracket either. It'll be Joseph's age bracket which is really doing the heavy lifting right across the world as this renewal movement that we've been narrating week by week rolls forward. Standby, folks. I'm just going to give a quick shout out to one of our sponsors, Birch Gold. Think about this. In 2006, $20,000 equaled roughly 33 ounces of gold at spot price. And today's price is 20 years on. If you sold those 33 ounces at spot price, you'd be netting, you'd be pocketing around $165,000. So $20,000 put down $165,000 you would be getting if you saw that now. That's a huge increase. And that's why smart Americans are diversifying a portion of their savings into precious metals. And that's why you need to consider buying gold from our friends at Birchgold Group. For thousands of years, gold has been a store of wealth, and today it's a crucial part of any balanced strategy. And even better, Birch Gold can help you convert an existing Iraq or 401k into tax sheltered retirement account in Gold. So just text the name Bannon, that's B A N O N to the number 989-898 to receive your free info kit on Gold. No obligation, just useful information with an A rating. With a Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers, let Birchgold help you diversify with Gold. Now that's peace of mind for you. Text Bannon to 989-898 again. Bannon to 989-898 now. Interesting development. Probably one of the most famous comedians in the western world for his and his colleagues assault on Christianity has made a somewhat surprising intervention. Before we have Joseph Robertson break this down for us, let's hear. Let's remind ourselves of John Cleese, one of his many digs at established Christianity.
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Hail Messiah. I'm not the Messiah. I say you are, Lord, and I should know. I followed a few. Hail Messiah. I'm not the Messiah. Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah. Do you understand? Honestly, only the true Messiah denies his divinity. What. What sort of just does that give me? All right. I am the Messiah. He is. He is the Messiah. Now off.
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I knew that Denver was going to edit that video. Somewhat short at the end. So Joseph, look, just to put this, I mean every, everyone will, Americans, everyone will know who John Cleese is as a comedian, part of the Monty Python's Flying Circus, made all these films always putting a dig in at established Christianity. And now he's made a somewhat surprising, unexpected intervention, reminding me somewhat of Richard Dawkins, you know, the UK's most famous ideological atheists, basically getting slightly sentimental about the lack of Christianity and what that will mean for the uk. Exactly what was his intervention and what did he say?
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Well, I think the, you know, the reality is that the so called high church atheists of Britain are beginning to realize that what might replace Christianity is a lot worse than where they allowed their imagination to drift. I think they envisaged some kind of humanistic paradise where no one troubled themselves with organized religion. But what they're really starting to find is that when Christianity is replaced, all of its morals go along with it. All of the strength and bravery that created the west goes along with it. And of course what will replace it is any other dominant ideology that can take that power. It's not that we will have nothing, it's that we'll have something else. And of course the problem with Islam in its political form is that it is a legal system. And so I think regardless of whether you are a Christian, a, you know, a Jew, a even a moderate Muslim, you may look at political Islam in its fullest form in countries such as Iran and, and other examples in the Middle east and say, well, do we really want this system of governance? Because it's not just a religion, it's a system of governance. And even the most borderline Christian or indeed church atheist will look at that and take stock, particularly when it comes to the treatment of women, of minorities and say, actually maybe what we had wasn't so bad after all.
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So this is pretty much a similar angle from, in a different scenario, look, looking at this from what Jenny Holland was saying earlier on in the show about the German situation, that Christianity is, is leaving the situation and Islam is standing in the wings, ready to come in, swoop down, because of course nature abhors a vacuum. Do you think that liberals and progressives in the west give sufficient credit to the fact that they're very liberal, progressive, tolerant, secular philosophy didn't just emerge out of nowhere, it grew and developed out of Christian and post Christian philosophical thinking. And if you kick away the support of that, then the supports of liberal progressive tolerantism as it were, collapse as well. I think sort of people like Richard Dawkins and John Cleese are coming to this conclusion probably a little too late.
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Well, bleeding heart liberalism weaponizes the fundamental tenets of Christianity against itself. And essentially what that means is that it tells you to go into all of the nice sounding principles of Christianity such as love, tolerance and, you know, the, the ability to turn the other cheek and all these other things and takes it so far to its extreme and unnatural conclusion as to allow anyone that is a dominating minority or undercurrents to essentially just hit you while you're down. And what the liberals don't understand is that they're also being used for an agenda. I write a lot about the similarity between the tenets of the Fabian Society, a left wing gradualist movement that's dominate UK politics for about 140 years, and the Muslim Brotherhood. And of course these two societies have completely opposing goals. One is for the dominance of political Islam, one is for the dominance of gradualist communism. But both have almost identical manifestos. If you replace the words communism and Islamism. And what liberals are starting to wake up to is the fact that a more, let's call it a more dominant ideology, such as a communist ideology or an Islamist ideology, will use the softest and weakest parts of a society to work against itself. And that is why we're starting to see people who perhaps 15 years ago would have considered themselves moderates or perhaps even left progressives starting to switch back to center or center right, because they realize that without some sort of pushback on their own part, they're going to be eaten alive and replaced by ideologues who genuinely believe in the plan that they've laid out for not just decades, but hundreds of years. And of course, that's a subconscious awakening at the moment, but we're seeing, even in the recent weeks, I've seen, certainly, perhaps it's only anecdotal, but more and more stories of murder, of sexual assaults, of violence from mainly illegal immigrants in this country. But I think it has ramped up in a way that perhaps we were seeing in Germany a few years ago, and. And Germany, I think, got the brunt of it a lot quicker than we did. But as these things happen and start to balloon, you know, we're really going to see a lot of progressives or moderates who perhaps do deep down fundamentally care about some of those core tenets of Christianity, but in a false kind of way, starting to push back against, you know, the other side.
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So the background of this, then is Susie hall, who's the leader of the Conservative group on the London assembly, put out a tweet where she said that we have to fight for our culture and remain a Christian country. To which John Cleese, who I think his political affiliation for many decades has been towards the Liberal Democrats, though you might correct me if there's been any changes on that. He responded to her tweet saying that the UK has always been based at the deepest level on Christian values, regardless of dogma. Despite the many mistakes made by churches, for centuries, British people have been influenced by Christ's teaching. If these values are replaced by Islamic ones, this will not be Britain anymore. Now, as we started off with the scene from the Life of Brian, which was. I think that was banned, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Life of Brian was banned for decades on British television because it was considered to be so blasphemous. If, If John Cleese now, and he must be in his 80s now, makes this intervention, I think it's. It is clear that someone of the old school liberal progressive values of. Of which John Cleese and his fellow Pythons represent, is very much now on the. On the back foot. Just give me 40 seconds before we head to the break. Joseph, what's been the response to John Cleese's intervention here in the uk.
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Well, I think a lot of free speech advocates, of course, will rally around them in saying this. And one thing you got to remember is that one of the sketches that was so famous was the Dead People's Front arguing over, you know, whether or not a man can be proper man. And of course, while a lot of people might be left on this stuff, when it comes back to fundamental biology and basic truths, all of which come from Christian moral teaching, they have, of course, held those opinions themselves for a long time. So people are rallying around him and hopefully it'll be a change for them.
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Well, I'll tell you this, when I read that statement made by John Cleese, what leapt out at me was it was a stronger statement in favor of Christianity in the UK than anything we have heard from the Catholic Bishops Conference in recent decades and anything we've heard from the Church of England in recent decades. And it was of course, a Church of England bishop that agreed that the Life of Brian needed to be suppressed when that film first came out. So that's somewhat, I think, change afoot in my beloved homeland. Folks, stay tuned. We'll be back here in just two minutes after this short break.
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Welcome back. Well, Jenny Holland, we always have you on the show telling us about developments, what's going on about young 20 year old guys in Christianity. We're going to talk to you something about an unusual topic here on the War Room which I don't think I've ever spoken to you about specifically. And this is Women in the Church in Biblical history. The ewtn, which is the largest Catholic broadcaster in the world, has been for many decades founded by Mother Angelica and the late Mother Angelica has announced is producing a new biblical TV series to depict the book of Genesis through the eyes of its best known women. Now you've been sort of briefing yourself on this latest project. Tell us a little bit about it.
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Yeah, it's very interesting. It's going to air starting on March 22 through to Easter, so imminently just in a few weeks. And yes, it's, it's going to air on Fox and it is the story of, as you said, the sort of most formative women of Genesis being Sarah Hagar, Rebecca, Leah and is it Rachel? I think yes. So yeah, Minnie Driver is going to play Sarah. So that's an A list or name that is attached to this project. So the fact that this exists at all is great, almost incredible. The fact that they've gotten an A list actress like Minnie Driver on the project attached to the project is very interesting. She's also an excellent actress and I would watch her in almost anything. So I fully intend to watch this. I think it's exactly what is needed. You know how we're always talking about Gen Z men and boys returning to the church and becoming very conservative and very right wing and girls going the opposite direction. So that might be because, I mean it's a lot of things but one of the reasons is that the Church, Catholic Church, has a bit of a PR problem, to be perfectly honest, when it comes to women. And it's, you know, the women who are been consistently in the fold are there and they're sort of squared away. But in terms of reaching for new for Fresh blood, there's, there's a lot of things that could be done. And you know, I can speak to this with some personal experience because even though I'm not young anymore, I am new to Catholicism in many ways and I'm Sort of learning a lot about it and learning it through unbiased eyes for the first time. I was raised in a very secular world and with parents who were hostile to the Catholic Church, not just agnostic. So I always got the bad side. Right. That's what I always heard. Whereas actually, when you read it with, you know, without these filters and you listen to Catholic, either clergy or, you know, teaching, there's a lot to offer women, a tremendous amount. Starting with the women in the. In they're going to be featured in the show. Their relationships are complex. They're. They have, they're full of agency. So contrary to this very sort of facile idea that the patriot. It was just patriarchy and that just keeps women down and they're, they're autonomous robots or they're, they're just appendages. These women are scheming, they are decisive, they are actors in this story. They're very, very interesting and very complicated characters with very complicated interpersonal issues that, that are really the backbone of the story, the foundation of the people in the Old Testament. And a few months ago I came across a woman called Sister Corino deliver what I thought was a very interesting speech at an event in the UK with Mary Harrington in which she talked about, well, John Paul II in particular, and his sort of teachings on women and their importance in the church. And she was quoting the former Pope and saying that women as given their role, their biological capacity to bear children and to have children, there's a reflection of that in their spiritual capacity as well. So even women who don't have children are particularly attuned, I think was the phrase to the mysteries of human existence. And this was really, really interesting to me and extremely beautiful, actually. And if you contrast it to the messaging that sort of conventional lib charred secular society is giving now, which is what is women are downtrodden, women are oppressed, or women are girl boss and women can do anything man can do. Neither of those things are true. Neither of them should. And nor should it be that women can do anything that men can do. And why would we want to. The Catholic teachings on women, and this is a great surprise to me, the Catholic teachings on women and their capacity and their role was far more empowering, far more positive and far more reflective of my experience as a woman, but also as a. As a woman knowing other women and having relations with women and growing up in a world with friends, female friends and female relatives. That those remarks from Sister Carina quoting from John Paul II was really accurate to me. And that is the kind of messaging, that complexity, that nuance and that agency, that empowerment, that role that women need to play is could. I cannot over state, I cannot overstate how important that is to get that message out into the culture. So not just in, you know, sort of algorithm rabbit holes where we're all talking to people who already agree with us, but push these truths out there into popular culture and into mainstream culture in a way, if, you know, if it could, if it could win over, like a wizened cynic, Gen X like me. It, you know, it really. The message itself is incredible and incredibly powerful.
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It's funny, it shows you how the breakdown of the traditional family has had these unexpected consequences rolling out. Because here in Italy, I'll just say that Jenny for our audience, Jenny, you, you grew up here in your formative years in Italy, you'll know that whether the traditional family model is so much more ingrained here in Italy and part of the culture, it's the mother primarily, who takes the role in the formation of the faith in the household. So here in Italy, the idea that mothers would somehow, that women perhaps have less of a role in the life of the church would be a bit strange. You go over to the uk, of course, where everything's totally different and I think where the life is also so much more secular. And your criticisms will strike, I think, a resonance with a great deal of people. But thanks for giving us your perspective on that. I did misspeak earlier. Thank. And thank you for picking up on it, Jenny. This is coming out on Fox. It's not coming out on EWTN. So when did you say this is debuting?
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March 22nd. So it's coming up very soon. I look forward to watching it. We can do a debrief.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, we'll do that. Absolutely, we should do that. I have to say, I mean, I love Genesis in the Old Testament. Who doesn't? It's got all those, those rich stories there that everyone will remember.
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Yeah.
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Sort of from their childhoods.
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Even the story of Eve, you know, which was always portrayed in liberal left lefty world, is this terrible sort of crime against women. The story of Eve in today's political climate is extremely relevant, resonant, I should say, given the commitment of many liberal white women, in particular in the United States and in the UK actually, and in places like Germany, to policies that could lead to their own destruction. You know, it's very eyebrow raising and it's, it's, it's not a condemnation, a brute force condemnation of Eve. There is that relationship between Eve and Adam and that failure for one to uphold wisdom and obedience creates this calamity. And that is 100% what is happening today with, you know, you see these Democrat women in the United States, you know, desperately and in some cases fatally protesting policies that in the end will benefit them. And yet they are determined to sort of go down with the sinking ship because of these sort of mind viruses that have taken over these women. And it's very, very reminiscent of the serpent again. It's the he promises her ambition, essentially. You know, he says wisdom that really in today's world is ambition and status and power. And those are very alluring things to all humans, not just women. But it is really, it's a very apt story for our culture today, uncomfortably.
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So let's, let's do it. Let's hit this next Wednesday and you can tell us how they handle this. I didn't see Eve in the list of the women that they're concentrating on, but let's see how they handle that. Anyway. So as you say, that's coming out on Fox, which we hate, by the way, as a network, in the war room, but it's coming out on fox on the 22nd, and we'll tune in for that series alone. Coming over now to Joseph and the close of the show, the last segment in just a few moments. But first of all, do you owe back taxes? Or perhaps you haven't filed for many years? Now is the time to resolve those taxes matters. With the national conversation around abolishing the income tax system, the IRS is fighting back and proving it's here to stay by becoming more aggressive than ever before. They're sending out more collection notices, filing more tax liens and collecting billions more than in recent years. And if you owe, the IRS can garnish your wages, levy your bank accounts, seize your retirement and even your home if you owe or haven't filed. It's not a question of if the IRS will act, it's when. So right now, Tax Network USA is offering a completely free IRS research and discovery call to show you exactly where you stand and what they can stop before it's too late. Their powerful programs and strategies can save you thousands or even eliminate your debt entirely if you qualify. Don't make a costly mistake. Representing yourself or calling the IRS on your own waives your rights and cost you more money. They are not on your side. Get protected the right way with Tax Network USA and start the process on settling your tax matters once and for all. Today, call 1-800-958-1000. That's 1-800-958-10000 or visit tnusa.com Bannon for free discovery call with Tax Network USA. Don't let the IRS be the first to act. Joseph last 10 minutes of the show are with you. Here's an interesting story that a priest in Iceland has been informed that the by the criminal authorities, the police, that they are opening an investigation, a criminal investigation against him because he spoke out in favor of LGBT conversion therapy, which I know has been banned, I think, in a number of US States. But criminal proceedings now is an indication of where authentic witness to Jesus Christ will get you in some corners.
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Yeah, well, there's a few interesting things in this story. I think the the first thing to note is, of course, the outrage from all the other denominations that are represented in Iceland to immediately denounce and decry what has been said by this particular priest. Of course, there's also some debate over what conversion therapy really means. It has different meanings in different parts of the world. And of course, there were certain practices, particularly in the United States and also I think in the United Kingdom a couple of times, which borderline abusive and nothing to do whatsoever with any form of wholesome religious pastoral care. But I think what this priest was talking about was more whether or not celibacy is required by the church to receive communion or whether being in a proper state of grace is important. And of course, that's Catholic moral code for every person in the church, regardless of whether they're gay or straight or and this is one of the problems really, with this whole debate and I think seeing the outrage and reaction from other denominations. It's important to note that church teaching is not necessarily about the form of sin. It's more to do with whether or not moral law is being upheld. And of course, celibacy is required from anyone who's not in a married state, regardless of who they are in the church. And more widely, we're seeing this problem come into question, particularly in places like Germany where bishops are becoming very liberal in their teaching on this. It's happened a few times in the United Kingdom where things are left ambiguous. And of course, we see it in the United States as well. And so I think this is part of a general trend. It's interesting that it's happening in far flung corners of the earth like Iceland, where, in fact, I think Catholics still only make up about 4% of the population. But of course, you know, this is not something that's that's unique to the Catholic Church. This is also a debate that's been had in many different denominations. And of course it's not yet a debate that spread to the Muslim world, one does not hesitate to point out. But I think in this particular instance, the most, the most interesting thing, aside from the story, is that of course Catholicism is beginning to grow even in places like Iceland, which have traditionally been very secular, of course, formerly Lutheran country, but now secular to the point of in fact trying to purge down syndrome children through total eugenic abortion.
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C
Well, let's have a look at this case in a little more detail because we're not dealing with any backwater parish priest here. We're talking about the Chancellor of the Church, the Catholic Church in Iceland, Father Jacob Roland, who gave an interview with the state of broadcaster RUV that started speaking about the church's position on LGBT issues and therefore the. The Reykjavik police, as the Reykjaviks, the capital, as I'm sure the war imposse very well familiar with, of Iceland, announced that they are going to be examining the priests remarks and deciding whether to launch a criminal, formal criminal investigation. And specifically when Father Roland was asked whether he feels compelled to follow the law on these matters because back in 2023, the Iceland Parliament passed a statute banning conversion therapy of LGBT individuals, Father Roland said yes, he does feel compelled to follow the law as long as the law aligns with God laws. It has been known in law from the very beginning that when the laws of the land and God's laws conflict, God's laws apply. So that's a very clear case, I think, of courageous witness on behalf of this priest. My question to you is are you aware of any interventions now that was, as I say, chancellor of the church in Iceland, I presume of the diocese. I don't know how many dioceses there are in Iceland, but are you aware of any maneuvers on behalf of the Holy See diplomatically to come in to defend Father Roland and his courageous position on this?
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D
Well, I've certainly seen nothing in the way of a press statement, nor will I hold my breath on that front, but I think that there has been a significant response online. It reminds me of the case of a Finnish MP who also stood up for the biblical definition of marriage a few years ago and ended up actually with the state trying to put her in prison. So we've got a similar kind of status of someone who's trying to stand up for their faith and will probably be at least visited by the authorities in due course. Now that's of course where One would hope that the church will step in if that does happen at some point. And I think I would expect at least certain bishops to start speaking out, even if there's nothing from the latent hierarchy in Rome.
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C
So all of the tradinc brigade who have been pushing the line, just give to the war room, give Leo a chance, don't box him in. This will be something for all Catholics who are interested in these issues to be following closely to see exactly what position the Vatican takes on this. Of course, taking no position whatsoever is taking a position in and of itself. Right?
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D
Yeah. I think he may be too much trapped in a large block of ice somewhere to be able to reach out at this time.
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C
As long as he's blessing the block of ice. And that will be fine, folks. That's all we have time for today. Jenny Holland, you're very active on you're both very active on social media. Why don't you just quickly remind us where people can get hold of your writings as you attempt to save culture from itself.
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Yes, I am on substack@jennyeholland.substack.com and on YouTube at Saving Culture from itself.
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C
And you're going to be back next Wednesday, are you not to give us the, the, the briefing, the debriefing on what happens with Fox's program on women in Genesis.
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E
I'm in the uk. I don't know when it's going to be released here. But yes, if I can, I absolutely will.
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C
Joseph Robertson, social media.
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D
You can find me on R types both on substack and X and Joseph Robertson, UK on Instagram and yep, stay tuned. I will be in the US Again now, next week actually. So may meet some of you at CPAC US if any of you are there.
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C
Fantastic. Catch you all next Wednesday. That's all we've got time for folks. Thanks to Cameron Wallace, our producer and to Wendell who's been holding the the fort marvellously throughout this one hour transmission. Steve will be back in the chair 10am tomorrow. God bless.
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