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War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It is holy Thursday, the 2nd of April, the year of our Lord 2026. Thank you for being here for the second hour. An anomaly. West Texas Intermediate is about $112, I think. Brent the, the, the gauge of which we judge European oil is 108, although the spot market for delivery of physical what's on the Ocean now is 141. My point, you don't have to be an oil trader to understand that there's a lot of turbulence in what is the underpinnings of the global economy. And that would be energy now more than ever. And this is why we did the End of the Dollar Empire. Also, we're coming out with the first look, Bloomberg, I think has it, of the 2027 budget. According to the math, what they're projecting is $16 trillion in deficits. I think in the next 10 years. We'll break all that down tomorrow because as Steve Cortez said earlier, we got to keep the financial and fiscal house in order to make sure that we even have the ability to pay for these military expenditures. And I think it's a very compelling reason why President Trump said, hey, two weeks, maybe three weeks and then we're out of here to get back to the United States. This oil situation quite disturbing. End of the Dollar Empire birchgold.com promo code Bannon. You get the eighth free installment which deals exactly with where the dollar is today. So let's check that out. And as soon as they get these back in stock, we'll be sending you over to get the patriots edition of the first seven installments of the End of the Dollar Empire. But they're out of stock right now because it's such a huge demand. But you can always go and get all seven installments and you can do it for free. We want you to get as much information on this as possible to make sure you understand it's not the price, it's the process. And it's why gold has been a hedge for, I don't know, 3,000 years of mankind's history. Apollo Pappas, this Tina Peters situation. And this is why I was talking to Mike Davis at the beginning of the first hour about Pam Bondi in the context of Pam has now got relieved by President Trump as Attorney General and he's looking at a host of other people step up. I think it's a pretty deep bench. Todd Blanchard, I think, has done a very solid job as dag, is now the interim head of it. And of course, we would love to see some of the people that are over there stick around and help this situation. But it's a process where the lawfare is the left's biggest weapon because it ties into the corporate, the woke corporations, the woke universities, the woke media. And they're brutal about it. They'll send people to prison. They will bankrupt people. This is why I use examples like the folks in Georgia for the voter fraud, what they've gone through in six years. These people are heroes and patriots because they're not sunshine soldiers. They're not just people on Twitter, oh my gosh, blah, blah, blah, blah. These are people that stood in the breach when they brought criminal penalties against them, civil penalties against them, try to bankrupt them. And in Colorado, which was one of the most egregious, and Tina Peters, a gold star mother who was just doing her job, and now we understand from an appellate court, which by the way, is all left wing Democrats, they even went back and corrected the trial judge to say, look, her political beliefs and her beliefs, her First Amendment rights of what she was saying, which is throughout the trial, you can't violate that in her sentencing. And I realize people, we have a huge problem with how they've kind of went back and said, well, the seven felony convictions are correct because I think that would be ultimately overturned. What is the plan of action now and how can the Warren Posse assist you guys? You have been heroes in keeping her show going, in communication with her to make sure she's got a great legal team, both at the federal level with Peter tickton and Pat McSweeney and others. And you got a great team at the state level, John Kass and people. So how can, what's your plan? What can you tell us today and how can people assist?
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Well, number one, the plan is get her out. She should be, she should have been a Long time ago. So, you know, we're hoping that we're not going to go through another circus just with the trial court, because it was sent back to the district court where she was sentenced with Judge Barrett. Some really important things, though, that everyone watching needs to understand. First of all, you're going to see the media, and that includes Jenna Griswold. It includes Dan Rubenstein and many of these other Colorado officials say that her trial was fair, and that's simply not true. They're going to say that she was tampering with election records, that she breached the voting machines, and none of that is true. She was authorized to do what she did. Conan Hayes was there under her supervision. They're going to continue using those lies and pretend that Tina got a fair trial and she did not. There is a recording going around of one of the jurors in her trial stating that she thought Tina Peters was part of the reason she had her business sabotaged until after the trial. There is evidence that should have automatically made Tina Peters case a mistrial, and that includes the judge's actions. And it also includes issues with the jury and her inability to mount a proper defense. You can find that information on our website, tinapeters us. But what I would like everyone to do, if you see these people continuing to push these narratives that she breached election equipment, that she was unauthorized, that she deleted records, which is actually what Jenna Griswold is guilty of doing as the Secretary of State. Do not let them get away with it. If you see it on social media or in the news, you call that out because they are straight up lying. Because Tina Peters has the goods on their crimes. And you can go to her website. She needs help. She still has a very long road ahead of her. Whether or not she's actually released by the trial court in the next 30 days or so, we still need to go through that process to have her released, hopefully before the resentencing actually happens. And if you contact Jared Polls, his office, you tell him, enough is enough. This woman has been through enough. You yourself admitted it. Everyone can see that her trial was unjust. The consecutive sentences are ridiculous. The woman needs to be commuted. She needs to be allowed to go home now. And it shouldn't have to wait for the trial court that so viciously violated her rights to have to weigh in before that happens.
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Apollo, where do people go for the content? The Tina Peters show, everything that you guys keep going, and then where do they go if they want to support both the. Both the. Both her content Creation. And if people want to find out more about her legal situation and contribute
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there tinapeters us you can find updates related to Tina. You can sign up for email alerts. You'll get messages direct from our team. If you go on the homepage, sign up for the email list and we'll keep you in touch before anyone else. And her Rumble channel her X is where you can find her show, Real Tina Peters. Go there for all the latest shows from Tina. She has as much input as she can on those from prison. And if you need to support her legal funds or her personal expenses so that she can keep her house, you can do both from tinapeters us on the homepage. And thank you to your audience who've been amazing and to everybody listening. Tina is extremely grateful for all of you. Without you all and people supporting her, she wouldn't be able to keep doing this.
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This audience is amazing. But I will tell you something, Apollo. What? Tina Peters is a unique figure in American history. A gold star mother that is in a fricking prison for nine years, a maximum security woman's prison, a hellhole in Colorado where she's being intimidated every day by younger prisoners because she stood in the breach of one of the most egregious crimes in the history of this country. That's why she will go down. She's a historical figure and that's why I think this, the ballroom posse and everybody associated the show supports her and your guys work, which has just been incredible to keep the show going and to keep her case in front of the American people. So thank you Apollo, appreciate you and everybody over there and the lawyers, God
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Incredible. Eastman, you know how it is. We're going to get to the Supreme Court and we're going to get to this incredible argument because we played for all two hours of the morning show the other day. The audience was so mesmerized by this and, and they weren't happy the entire time, I will tell you. But John, you've been in maybe not the exact situation Tina Peters, but you've seen when they come after you. This is what I was saying today. I'm not defending Pam Bondi, but I think we have to contextualize what is going on here. Lawfare is they own the Ivy League schools, they own the feeders to the best law schools in the country. They own the professors, and these professors are essentially Marxist, okay? They own the big law firms, they own these state and federal judges. This is a rot in our system that will take decades to change. But right now, I will tell you, look at Trump. They were going to put Trump in prison for what, 350 years. They had a plan to have him die in prison, both at the state level and the federal level. And you see what a racket it was as we peel it away. Eastman, this show, I forget it was a couple weeks in a row. We just streamed your trial out there where they tried to destroy you as a person, they tried to destroy your profession, they tried to rip away everything you've ever stood for. And what they want to do is get the best that we have and destroy them and use that as a example to everybody else. Coming up, if you step out of line, John Eastman, one of the most respected constitutional lawyers in the country, you're going to get destroyed, you're going to get disbarred, you're going to have your profession take away from you. You're going to get fired from all the law schools, you're going to get fired from all the universities, you're going to get othered everywhere. That's what they do. And guess what, folks? It works on about 80% of the people. Why do you think in the revolution they sat there and go, hey, you got sunshine patriots and summer soldiers. Read the history of the revolution. How many people were at Valley Forge? How many people were actually that answered up at reveille for Washington and the Continental Army? How many people actually stood in the breach and won the revolution? Guess What? It wasn't 80%. It wasn't 75%. It wasn't two thirds. It was a minority that was too fricking tough and too dedicated to quit. And that's what Tina Peters and John Eastman are the best of us. But we have to understand that this is an overwhelming enemy that has really taken this republic. And it's everywhere. That's what's in the hall of Congress, because in the. In the deep state, because 2/3 of them are lawyers, this is the. One of the most significant problems we have to go after John Eastman. How was it for you when they came after you, sir?
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Well, I wish it was past 10, Steve. We've had 19 actions we've been dealing with for the last five years. I'm down to only two left, but there are still two left. The California bar action. The California Supreme Court first considered our petition for reviewing, and we asked them to reject the disbarment recommendation that came up from the Bar Court. They considered that petition Yesterday along with 103 other petitions, 98 of those petitions were resolved in a results order today. Ours was not among them. So they're going to carry it over for a little bit more consideration. We hope that that means they're going our direction or at least seriously considering it, but it's still pending. The bar trial itself went for over 10 weeks, 34 days, and I think the longest and most expensive bar disciplinary proceeding in history. And then of course, you had. I was unindicted coconspirator in the Jack Smith indictment of President Trump in D.C. jack Smith could have moved that from unindicted to indicted coconspirator anytime he wanted because that D.C. jury pool is, is so lopsidedly anti Trump and pro radical Democrat. Thank God that never happened. I was indicted in Georgia and the day before Thanksgiving last fall, that case was finally dismissed. But the corruption that's coming out of the collusion between the District Attorney there, Fani Willis, and her lover, whom she hired and paid nearly $700,000 to, and the Biden White House is stunning. You know, Nathan Wade, the lover that was hired, spent a whole day meeting with the White House Counsel's office and he testified under oath that it had nothing to do the Georgia case, but he submitted that travel expense and that time in the meeting in the White House for payment on the Georgia case. And then, you know, the Arizona Attorney General, the same radical anti Trump group that filed the bar complaint against me in California, Norm Eisen in the States United Democracy center, was hired by the Attorney General of Arizona to prepare the neutral prosecution memo. I mean, for God's sakes, that's like hiring the fox to develop your safety plan on the chicken coop. I mean, this is, this is what they do. And it's, and it's, you know, circle, revolving door circle. The folks out of government are supporting the folks in government to, to protect the deep state and go after anybody
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that daresay and don't bury the lead. Norm Eisen is down there. Last Friday in the five hour or eight hour, I think it was eight hour evidentiary hearing. Norm Eisen and Abby Lowell are sitting there. Norm Eisen's higher than that. This is what they're coming after us. This audience was mesmerized. You've been working, you've been working as our top constitutional lawyer. You've had so many of the victories. They said this is a fringe theory. It didn't sound so fringe the other day in front of the Supreme Court, this audience was mesmerized by Sauer's arguments. The question questions, the questions of the, of the justices, the intensity of it. Of course, the ACLU's bizarro theories just put us in the room. You've worked, you dedicate a big part of your life to this issue. Tell us what it was like and what do you think? Not that we can pick what the judge is going to do, but where do you think this stands right now on the outcomes?
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Well, even the rock solid liberals on the court who, you know, know, said this is so clear cut an issue back in June when they said there's no reason not to have a nationwide injunction against it, even they took seriously Solicitor General John Sauer's argument because it's historically grounded, it's textually supported. You know, the, the main arguers, the main drafters of the language of the citizenship clause said that subject to the jurisdiction means subject to the complete jurisdiction and it doesn't extend to aliens and foreigners, which seems pretty clear. The Supreme Court in the initial time it even looked at the 14th Amendment in the slaughterhouse cases said exactly the same thing. The leading treatise writer of the day, Thomas Cooley, exactly the same thing. Secretary of state in the 1880s, a child born here of German parents when they were temporarily visiting and another one born of Scottish parents while they were temporarily visiting. The Secretary of State said, no, you're not citizens, you don't get a passport. You're natives of your parents country. That's where you, your allegiance. And subject to the jurisdiction means subject, not subject to any foreign power, end of story. And I thought John Sauer did a terrific job, he and his whole team did a terrific job of making that original case. And by the way, you know, this attempt to debunk it by claiming that I'm, you know, you know, I saw one story that used a Mike Pence attack on me is as a crackpot lawyer, I mean, how many times has Mike Pence argued in the Supreme Court? And I've been involved in over 200 cases there, I've argued there, he never has. And the notion that this was a fringe theory or a crackpot theory when every bit of evidence from the Drafting of the 14th Amendment supports it. And the Supreme Court itself originally agreed with this idea that it doesn't extend to foreigners. Sojourners was the phrase they used at the time. It's not crackpot, it's originalism. And I think what's important with what President Trump did is he took that from being, it's not fringe, but certainly most lefty law professors disagreed with it until Trump came on the scene the key case is 1898, Wong Kim arc, where the Court said the children of permanently domiciled Chinese parents is himself a citizen. And during the oral argument yesterday, 20 different times in the majority opinion in that case, they referenced the fact that the parents were domiciled here. Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Alito, several of the justices pointed that out, and that's true. And most legal scholars, until Trump started pressing this issue in 2015, agreed with me that the actual holding of the case didn't settle the question of children of temporary visitors or illegal immigrants. But of course, once Trump comes on the scene, they all act like that case settled at 125 years ago and that we're therefore crazy. And the press trying to build and support this narrative starts calling it a fringe theory when it clearly is not. It's, in fact, the right answer under the original understanding of the 14th Amendment.
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Given, I take it they'll rule by June before they take off by late June. But this has ignited so much interest in this, and you're kind of the godfather of this. What do you think we do to get up to speed and get other alternatives out there just as a backup in case the court doesn't go away? I don't think it's too easy to start too early, to start working for the simple fact that people are now extremely interested in this and they realize the ridiculous, this ridiculous proposition that anybody that can come in here with birthright citizenship. The million five Chinese, the what hundred? The 10,000, you know, the Chinese billionaire has. It's outrageous. Peter Schweitzer's book spent five weeks on the New York Times, number one as the number one bestseller, principally because of this. So what should we be doing? What guidance can you give us? Where can we go to get more information? How do we get smarter? How do we get tougher? How do we start to organize on this?
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JOHN eastman well, you know, obviously it's going to depend on what the Supreme Court does. Justice Chief Justice Roberts was looking for an exit ramp that would say Congress can weigh in here and maybe fix it. And there's one sliver of a reed that would allow that to be the pathway. And that is if they say even though the Immigration act itself uses the same language of the 14th Amendment, they meant broader protections than the 14th Amendment requires. And so then our efforts would be on getting Congress to make clear in its statute that it doesn't cover temporary visitors and illegal aliens. I don't think that's where the Court's going to go if they instead Say Constitution mandates citizenship to anybody born here, no matter the circumstances, except for the children of ambassadors, then the only way to fix that is with a constitutional amendment. And I think the people in this country are so incensed by what they saw going on that if the court does rule that way, contrary to all the evidence that John Sauer put before them, if it does rule that way, I think we've got a very viable path for a quick resolution and constitutional amendment to change that. It's never going to come out of Congress. You'd never get the 2/3 votes necessary in both the House and the Senate to do that. So you've got to look at James Madison's other alternative when the problem is the federal government itself, and that is a convention of states called Limited to this one question. Should we amend the Constitution to correct the Supreme Court's mistake on the understanding of birthright citizenship and make clear that it doesn't cover temporary visitors and illegal immigrants? And it takes 34 states to call such a convention and it can be limited to that single issue. And then it takes 38 states to ratify the proposed amendment that would come out of such a convention. And I think we ought to start putting the infrastructure together to do that right now. I think we ought to partner with the Convention of States. That's more broadly looking at calling a convention to address some other issues. But let's do this one on a very laser focused issue. Let's get the convention to focus on the birthright citizenship question. If the Supreme Court rules against us and push that through, it can be done as quickly as the 11th amendment was done in response to an erroneous Supreme Court decision back in the 1790s. And they quickly fixed that with the 11th Amendment. I think we should be prepared to do that with this as well.
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Real quickly, were you happy with the arguments? Were you happy with the question of the. The justice? Did you come out of there upbeat or did you come out there saying, hey, I'm going to have to get very focused and look at other alternatives?
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Well, you know, it's very hard to predict. I mean, John Sauer, the solicitor general, went in there with three justices firmly against him. No question there was no movement, nor was there going to be any movement from Justices Kagan Sotomayor and Brown Jackson. So that meant you're looking at the other six. And I thought it was very pretty clear that Justice Alito and Justice Thomas were understood the original arguments and therefore are likely to go with President Trump's executive order. Say it's constitutional and actually clarifies the true meaning of the Constitution. You know, the other four justices, Chief Justice Roberts, Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch and Barrett, it's hard to say from their questions. I mean, there were several questions from Justice Gorsuch that looked like he was very skeptical of the government's position. But he also has a habit of playing devil's advocate to press what he thinks are maybe weak points in the argument to see how they shored up. And if the answers satisfy him, he could come out the other direction. The same is true with Justice Kavanaugh and Barrett. Justice Barrett asked some tough questions of both sides, and it's like they were probing to try and find, you know, what the, what the right answer was in this very nuanced question. I have to say, Steve, I've been to a lot of arguments, including every single one of the 80 or so when I was a clerk for Justice Thomas up there in the mid-1990s. This was the most high brow, sophisticated argument on both sides. And among all nine justices that I'd ever seen, they clearly understand the significance of it. Of course, that was highlighted by the president himself coming to the courtroom not to pressure the court. As some of the leftist media said, oh, this violates the separation of powers. Give me a break. Most of the arguments I've been to, there's a member of Congress or two sitting there. I've never seen anybody say that was the legislature violating separation of powers. This Trump arrangement syndrome just has people thinking through mud. But. But it demonstrates the significance of the issue. And with Peter Schweitzer's book hitting recently, a news last week that of those 1.5 million Chinese birth citizens that go back and get trained by the Communist Party, 200,000 young men of military age are now in the United States. That's an army. That's an army from our leading enemy on the world stage that is within our borders with claims of citizenship rights to be here. And it's, it's extraordinary that, that we would continue to let that happen if that's not what the Constitution compels. And everybody agreed that there was no discussion about giving citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants and that there was some discussion of giving citizenship to temporary sojourners, and that was rejected in 1866. So, you know, I hope the court will follow the originalist path that John Sauer and his team laid out. But if they don't, we need to be prepared to fix this, because our very survival as a country, I think is at stake.
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It definitely is. I think that's why people were so mesmerized by the highbrow argument. And people loved it. John Eastman, we got about 30 seconds. Where do people go to find out everything about you and to see if they want to support you, sir?
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Well, my Twitter account is at Dr. John Eastman. My legal defense fund where we do updates is givesendgo.com Eastman particularly today, this Holy Week. Two years ago, the California Bar disbarment recommendation came down and my children wrote a fabulous article. It's at update 843 on that GiveSendGo website. I urge people to go take a look at it. It'll be sitting down. It'll bring tears to your eyes.
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John Eastman, you're a patriot and a hero and a historic figure. Thank you for spending part of Holy Thursday here with Will and Posse. We appreciate you, sir. Tina Peters and John Eastman. Back to back. Not too shabby, the giants in this movement. Short break. Back in the moment. The dollar's convertibility into gold ended in 1971. Gold was fixed at $35 an ounce. Well, fast forward to today and the US dollar has lost over 85% of its purchasing power. Gold, on the other hand, is increased in value by over 12,000%. That's why Central banks are buying gold at record levels. That's why major firms like Vanguard and BlackRock hold significant positions in gold. And that's why I encourage you to consider diversifying your savings with physical gold from Birch Gold Group. But it starts with education. Birch Gold just announced their Learn and Earn Precious Metals event. This free online event rewards you for learning the basics of investing in precious metals. Sign up to get a free silver on your next purchase. Get even larger incentives as you go. The more you learn, the more you can earn. But you must act now, as this special event only runs through April 30th. The dollar lost its anchor in 1971. You don't have to lose yours. Text my name Bannon B A N N O N to the number 989898 to join Birch Gold's Learn and Earn Precious Metals event by April 30th. Text Bannon B A N N O N To 989898 and do it today. This year marks a critical moment for our country as the opposition grows more aggressive and more unapologetic. The fight now reaches into the everyday decisions we make. Patriot Mobile has been standing on the front lines fighting for freedom, fighting for more than 12 years. They just don't deliver. Top tier Wireless service. They are activists like me and like you in the war Room posse who truly care about this republic and saving our country. Patriot Mobile office prioritized premium access on all three major US networks, giving you the same or better coverage than the main carriers themselves. That means fast speeds and dependable nationwide coverage backed by 100% US based customer service. They also offer unlimited data plans, mobile hotspots, international roaming and more. With a simple seamless activation, you can switch in minutes, keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. And here's the difference. When you switch to Patriot Mobile, you'll be part of a powerful stream of giving that directly funds the Christian conservative movement. Take a stand today. Go to patriotmobile.com bannon or call 972 Patriot. That's 972-PATRIOT and use promo code Bannon for a free month of service. Don't wait. Do it today. That's patriotmobile.com Bannon or call 972 Patriot and join the team today. If you're 65 or already on Medicare, listen up folks, and grab a pen, maybe even a number two pencil. Call 845-WAR room. That's 845-WAR room. Call it right now. I'm serious. Call it now. Here's why. The insurance companies and their lackeys in the Washington swamp have built a Medicare system designed to confuse you and rip you off. Rising premiums, denied claims, fine print. Nobody but a lobbyist understands. Millions of American seniors are paying too much and getting too little. And worst of all, most don't even know it. Hey, that could be you. That's why if you're already on Medicare or will be soon, you need to talk to our friends at chapter. They have a team of advisors trained to serve American seniors, not the insurance companies. In under 20 minutes, they can find you the best plan for your needs at the lowest cost. Why? They're a data company. They have all the data on every plan. It's totally free. There's no pressure, no bs. Just straightforward honest help from fellow patriots. So don't wait. Call 845 war room right now. That's 845 war room. Tell them Bannon sent you. Now listen, in the first couple of days of the launch of this company with the Warren Posse, Posse members saved tens and up to hundreds of thousands collectively of dollars in these fees. Go check it out today. That's Chapter. Call 845 War Room. Do it today.
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You're so right, Stephen. That's just terrific that we're having a chance to talk about it a little bit before D day, which is the 7th of April in Austin, Texas, just to set the stage, as you pointed out and as you did so much to help accomplish, 1.9 million Texans voted on 3 March to prohibit Sharia law in Texas on 7 April, as I say, the Council on American Islamic Relations, a designated terrorist organization, better known as cair, is trying to whip up the red green axis to cause One single vote on the school board of education to flip from promoting and helping implement a patriotic curriculum framework that was adopted by the board last year and turn it into one that peer argues isn't Islamophobic or exclusionary. And these are terms, of course, that are designed to ram through the kinds of agendas that, well, their friends on the left, the aclu, the naacp, the teachers unions and scores and scores of other leftist organizations, plus the Islamists, the jihadis, they're all in for having the curriculum for social studies for K through 12 in the state of Texas be to their liking and not representative of the greatness of our country. Our founders, our founding documents, you know, the very freedoms that are embedded in Judeo Christian civilization. They want the kind that's not so free and not so inclusive as it happens that they favor and the Sharia supremacist camp. So here's the point. The reason they're fighting this so hard and the reason that this is so fraught is that it's not just the millions and millions of millions of Texan kids that are going to be indoctrinated if they have their way by their radical left slash jihadist agenda. It will be every kid in America, probably because the books that are published as textbooks in Texas because of the volume, typically are pushed by the publishers to every other school system in the country. So Julie Pickering is a hero on this. She has been fighting it tooth and tongue. The reason that we are having this fight, frankly, is because she helped engineer that pro American curriculum last year. And let me just say in this instance, there are two things that need to happen. She'll talk more about it because she'll be up there on the dais. Get to that hearing on the 7th of April, if you possibly can, starting at 8am be present because there are going to be a lot of Sharia supremacists who are going to be bused in. There's going to be a lot of leftists who will as well. We need patriotic Americans standing up for the pro American curriculum framework and the standards that would implement it. The second thing is if people go right now to ban Sharia.com, there is right on the front page there a letter. It's called an Align Act Campaign. It enables you literally with a click of a mouse to send a letter to Pam Little and Evelyn Brooks. The two most important of these votes, probably Pam Little, first and foremost, as Julie can describe, we need her to vote as she did last year, for a pro American curriculum, not the CARE curriculum, as I call it. And if that's done, I think, Steve, we will see a generation of American kids better equipped to contend with the threat we're facing from Sharia, supremacism and, well, frankly, the red green axis as well.
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Frank, thanks for the tee up and stick around. I want to have you here with Dr. Thayer about this escalatory ladder in the war. Julie Pickering, people just it almost boggles the mind what's going on. Next Tuesday, the day after easter Monday at 8am Central Daylight Time, there's going to be a Texas Education Board. Just tell folks what we're actually discussing. I don't think many people in the country really kind of understand or believe how these radical Islamists have infected or trying to infect not simply the school system of the teaching for kids in Texas, but because of, like Frank said, the economics of the textbook industry will affect and impact kids throughout this nation. Ma' Am.
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Yes, thank you, Steve, for having me on and what an honor to be on with the great Frank Gaffney, a true American hero who's been serving our country faithfully for not just years, but decades. And but yes, Tuesday is going to be the fight. So we begin Tuesday morning at 8am with discussing the literary works, the man the state mandated inside of our standards, mandatory reading kindergarten through 12th grade. And why this is so important is because these literary works that have already been proposed before the Texas State Board of Education are based in our laws, our laws that say that you must teach kindergarten through 12th grade through a patriotic lens, that you must teach founding documents, that you must teach founding fathers and patriotism. But we already have a Republican out of Houston that has offered up amendments to remove all of those things. He's already offered up amendments to remove teaching about all of the presidents, to remove the impact of Western civilization, great works, literary works from Western civilization, to remove all of the books that that are instill patriotism and a love for country in our, in our students. And so this is already a fight before we ever even get there. But the reason why, the reason why they have to remove Western civilization, Judeo Christian values, Old Testament and New Testament patriotism is they have to remove pride and thankfulness in order to indoctrinate our kids to do a complete repeal and replacement of US And Texas history, to remove the Judeo Christian values out of the US History and Texas history and insert Islam's contribution is you have to tear down Western civilization first. You have to remove Western civilization. You have to remove the impact of the Bible on the founding of our country and our founding Fathers. You have to remove George Washington. You have to remove George Washington's Thanksgiving proclamation, his farewell address as the first president of the United States. You have to remove all those things. And so we already have a Republican that's willing to carry that water who's already submitted amendments. You can go and look at those amendments on the state of Texas website.
A
Hang on, hang on, hang on. Because I got to manage my time here and I'm going to get there. But they are. I'm going to shift to your book. I'm going to do the escalatory letter tomorrow with you. I'm going to shift to your book because you're an expert on this. Julie, people understand what you just said, but I think what the problem is is that we can't comprehend that there are Americans and particularly Republicans prepared to back this. What you're saying is so black and white. There's such a huge gap between obviously what needs to be taught to our most precious asset, which is our children, our grandchildren, future generations, which has been taught in every generation since the founding of this republic versus what you're talking about. What you're talking about sounds so crazy that people sit there, go, well, obviously it'll be a 9 to nothing vote or a 10 to nothing vote or a 15 to one vote. How can this even be an issue? Why does the worm have to stream this? What is this Republican doing? You're actually telling me that there's an individual who is a Republican that is prepared to back exactly what you just said? Because that almost seems like it's unfathomable, ma'. Am.
E
Yes, sir. I wish it were, Steve. I wish when people put that R behind their name, it really meant something. But unfortunately to some people it doesn't. It just means they're going to do whatever they want and support whatever organizations are supporting them, regardless of whether it lines up with the Republican Party and our Judeo Christian beliefs or not. But you can go on the Texas State Board of Education website and already sees amendments that have been filed that remove presidents, remove patriotism, remove Western great works of Western literature from the, from the mandatory reading list that directly ties with the social studies teak. So this is going to be a fight. And I don't think it's going to be a fight between Republicans and Democrats and care.
A
And I've been, I've been. This is why I need people. We need people to show up and online also, because I've gotten these flyers that they're having training sessions The Islamists are not just sitting there and going, oh, we'll just let war room and Frank Gaffney and Patriot Mobile and Julie Pickering. They're just going to be. No, they're fighting back, aren't they? Having organizing meetings. They prep people to be witnesses at these things, show up and demonstrate.
E
Yes sir. And just in my Sboe district and two of the largest mosque in my Sboe district in southeast Texas, they've been holding trainings, they've been holding recruitment rallies to recruit people to come to the Texas State Board of Education next, next Tuesday to testify before us. And they've been training them on what to say, what are the talking points. I mean they're coming with a very well oiled machine. I mean they're very organized, they're very well funded and they are going to bring a lot of people next Tuesday and it's going to be whose voice is the loudest in the room? We need patriots to show up. Next Tuesday, 8am Barbara Jordan, Barbara Jordan building in Austin, Texas.
A
We're going to give all the details and we're going to stream it also. Dr. Bradley Thayer. So I'm going to get you tomorrow on the escalatory ladder. But this is really at the heart of your magnum opus. You've written this book and people you're going to be blown away when you see it. But you said, hey look, this is all part of a process. This has been a hundred year struggle since it first came on the scene. And I would actually say maybe back to the French Revolution, but this has been a war of these atheistic Marxists and now they've teamed with the Islamists and this is why this Red Green alliance is why we have this issue in Texas. And now people are finally waking up to it. Talk to us about how serious this is. They believe they're winning. I want people to understand this. They don't think they're losing, they think they're winning. And they think one way they're winning is that people are asleep and they're going to get in which they always want to do and control the education of the young. They can control the past by controlling the future and that is how they do it, through textbooks. Dr. Bradley Thayer.
F
Yes, Steve, thanks very much and thanks for writing the foreword to the book. This is what you've discussed tonight really illustrates the problem. John Eastman's problem is rooted in the fact that the communists have captured the ideas industry, whether it's the media, education, the law firms, the law professors all think the same way. They think, in accord with what is at root a Communist doctrine, Julian Frank are fighting Islamists in Texas and around the United States. Well, that's a product, really, of an immigration system that explicitly advanced the. The Leninist idea of revolutionary defeatism. Right. The worse, the better. Making things worse in the United States is actually what the Marxists want, what the Communists want. So when President Trump says he doesn't understand why the Democrats don't stand, why they don't celebrate the mother of the murdered, the sad story of the woman murdered in North Carolina, or the Navy veteran who shot down four Soviet fighters during the Korean War, well, that's because they have a Leninist discipline. Right. They're thinking the same way, they're acting in the same way, and they're moving in the same way. And they've been doing it for 100 years, and they've been supremely successful. And we're only waking up now to the danger, to the risks of what's happening, whether it's Julian Frank in Texas and elsewhere in the US Or John Eastman finding out that the law firms are all against him, the courts are all against him, because they've all, in essence, been captured, or the Democrats aren't standing in the State of the Union because they don't want to celebrate America. They don't want to celebrate American identity, and they don't want to take steps to strengthen American identity, because the stronger American identity is, the weaker the Marxists are. Right. That very important inverse relationship that stands there. So they attack ceaselessly, endlessly, with all of the tools at their disposal, which are formidable. Neville, Roy Singmans and Code Pink, his wife's Code Pink group, or Soros and his son's organizations, Act Blue, Tides Foundation. The Bolsheviks created what they call the Comintern, which was to spread the revolution by working through other groups, not Communist parties directly. What Neville Singham has done and Soros and his son have done and other actors, Tides, ActBlue, et cetera, have privatized the Comintern. They're advancing Marxism basically privately, on their own dime to some degree. But when you really look into this, you're going to find the Chinese Communist Party is behind it. It's not just their own money, but it's a lot of resources flowing from the Chinese Communist Party to undermine us. So for the war room audience, we need to understand what we're up against and what we need to do to act against it.
A
Hang on, we're more announcements on your book and when we're going to release it. But Just hang on for one second, Julie. Let's give the specifics. What do you need and what can Warren Posse provide? Do you need people that show up to testify? Do you need people watching online? Do you need people to show up to sit in the audience? Be very specific because a lot of people are taking off. Tonight's Holy Thursday, tomorrow's Good Friday. We got Holy Saturday, Easter, Easter Monday and then bang, we when people really come back from the holiday, it's at 8am in the morning in Austin, Texas. They're going to be a hearing that's vitally important for people to go. So tell us, we got a couple minutes. Tell us exactly what you need and how we can help.
E
Well, I hope after Christians are celebrating Holy Week and celebrating the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ that they do come to Austin Tuesday fired up and ready to defend Judeo Christian values. But yes, Steve, all the above. We need people put the public to show up. Even if you say, julie, I'm not comfortable testifying, at least just come up and sit with us and be there to support us, to pray for us most of all. And then the other thing, yes, we need people to sign up to testify. So if you're going to testify on Tuesday, you have to sign up to testify by 5pm tomorrow at sboe.texas t e x a s d sboe.texas.gov Sign up to speak on Agenda Item Number One, which is a public hearing about the literary works, and agenda item number four, which is the public hearing about the social studies standards. So yes, and we need the testimonies also sent to us. And you can, if you want to do a written testimony. If you can't come on Tuesday and you want to submit a written testimony, you can also do that@sboe.texas t x a s.gov you can also go to my website, Julie pickren.com j u l I E P I C k r e n.com for more information or follow me on Twitter at Julie the number 4TX Julie 4TX so I'll be putting out a lot of information about this, but yes, we need the numbers on Tuesday. They're going to show up with the loud voices and the loud numbers. We need patriots there on Tuesday.
A
That's my one grace. Let's make sure we put that up. Julie, thank you so much. I appreciate you. I'm going to talk to you tonight, hopefully maybe have you on tomorrow so we can meet or beat the 5pm Central Daylight Time time tomorrow where people can sign up to testify. So I'll call you afterwards. Frank Gaffney, where do people go on Ban Sharia? You're at the tip of the spear of this and the fight right now is in Texas, but we're fighting in Texas for the nation. Where do people go?
D
Yeah, I just want to emphasize what Julie said. If you are in Texas, show there's going to need to be as many bodies who love freedom in that room as possible because there'll be a lot of them that don't. In addition to that, because of the nature of this deal, that it will impact everybody, every student you can think of, K through 12 across this country, please take action. If you can't be there, go to Banshee regime. And right there on the homepage you're going to see the Align act campaign. Just click through and let these representatives on the board, Julie's colleagues, particularly Pam Little and Evelyn Brooks, know you want them to vote for freedom, not for Sharia or not for the red green access agenda. And if you do that, Steve, I think we've got a chance to beat this and thereby help a generation of students in Texas and across America love our country and not revile it as the enemy wants them to.
A
Dr. Thayer, thank you. Dr. Thayer, where do people get you?
F
Well, I would just say support Julie and Frank. So go to the Ban Sharia. Support Julie in Texas because that's essential. The ideas industry has been mostly captured. They haven't captured fully Texas yet, which is why Texas is so important.
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Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Date: April 2, 2026
This episode of Bannon’s War Room Battleground centers on two interlinking themes:
Stephen K. Bannon and guests dissect flaws in the judicial system, dive into the strategy and importance of grassroots action, and frame these issues as existential threats to the American republic.
On Lawfare as a Weapon (Stephen K. Bannon, 04:10):
“Lawfare is the left’s biggest weapon because it ties into the woke corporations, the woke universities, the woke media. And they’re brutal about it…They will bankrupt people. They’ll send people to prison.”
On Tina’s Trial and Misinformation (Apollo Pappas, 05:57):
“They’re going to say that she was tampering with election records, that she breached the voting machines, and none of that is true. She was authorized to do what she did. … There is evidence that should have automatically made Tina Peters’ case a mistrial.”
Call to Action (Apollo Pappas, 07:17):
“If you see these people continuing to push these narratives that she breached election equipment…do not let them get away with it. If you see it on social media or in the news, you call that out because they are straight up lying.”
Support & Updates:
On Lawfare Targeting the ‘Best’: (Bannon, 11:05)
“What they want to do is get the best that we have and destroy them, and use that as an example…coming up, if you step out of line…you’re going to have your profession taken away.”
Eastman on the Ordeal's Scope: (12:24)
“We’ve had 19 actions we’ve been dealing with for the last five years. I’m down to only two left, but there are still two left…The California bar action…went for over 10 weeks, 34 days; I think the longest and most expensive bar disciplinary proceeding in history.”
On Collusion in Prosecution: (Eastman, 13:03)
“The corruption that’s coming out of the collusion between the District Attorney there, Fani Willis…and the Biden White House is stunning.”
On Original Intent: (Eastman, 15:47)
“This was the most high-brow, sophisticated argument on both sides and among all nine justices that I’d ever seen….the people in this country are so incensed…if the court does rule that way…we’ve got a very viable path for a quick resolution and constitutional amendment to change that.”
On Organizing a Convention: (19:59)
“…Let’s get the convention to focus on the birthright citizenship question. If the Supreme Court rules against us, push that through. It can be done as quickly as the 11th amendment…”
On CAIR’s Influence: (Frank Gaffney, 34:11)
“CAIR is trying to whip up the red green axis to cause one single vote on the school board of education to flip…not representative of the greatness of our country.”
Julie Pickering, on Curriculum Changes: (39:17)
“They have to remove pride and thankfulness in order to indoctrinate our kids…to remove the Judeo Christian values out of the US History and Texas history and insert Islam’s contribution, you have to tear down Western civilization first.”
On Republican Complicity: (Bannon & Pickering, 41:24–43:12)
“What you're talking about sounds so crazy that people sit there, go, well, obviously it’ll be a 9 to nothing vote…You’re actually telling me that there’s a Republican backing this?”
“Unfortunately to some people, an R behind their name doesn't mean what you think.”
On Islamist Grassroots Mobilization: (Pickering, 43:40)
“They've been holding trainings, they've been holding recruitment rallies…training them on what to say…the Islamists are a very well-oiled machine.”
Thayer on the Axis: (45:18)
“They attack ceaselessly, endlessly, with all of the tools at their disposal...when you really look into this, you're going to find the Chinese Communist Party is behind it.”
Importance of Texas: (Thayer, 52:38)
“The ideas industry has been mostly captured. They haven’t captured fully Texas yet, which is why Texas is so important.”
“We need people…the public to show up. Even if you say…I’m not comfortable testifying, at least just come up and sit with us and be there to support us, to pray for us most of all.”
Bannon on Lawfare’s Purpose: [04:10]
“It ties into the corporate, the woke corporations, the woke universities, the woke media. And they’re brutal about it. They’ll send people to prison. They will bankrupt people.”
Apollo Pappas on Misinformation: [05:57]
“They’re going to continue using those lies and pretend that Tina got a fair trial and she did not.”
Julie Pickering on Education Weaponization: [39:17]
“You have to remove pride and thankfulness in order to indoctrinate our kids…to remove the Judeo Christian values out of the US History.”
Frank Gaffney on National Stakes: [34:11]
“It will be every kid in America, probably, because the books that are published as textbooks in Texas…are pushed to every other school system in the country.”
Bradley Thayer on Coordinated Marxist-Islamist Influence: [45:18]
“They attack ceaselessly, endlessly, with all of the tools at their disposal…what Neville Singham has done and Soros and his son have done…they’ve privatized the Comintern…When you really look into this, you’re going to find the Chinese Communist Party is behind it.”
This episode serves as a rallying cry for the War Room audience, connecting the plights of Tina Peters and John Eastman to a nationwide existential struggle over law, education, and American identity. The Texas curriculum fight is framed as a pivotal battle in the "Red-Green Axis" war on American culture. Listeners are urged to take action by supporting legal defense funds, challenging online misinformation, attending and testifying at school board meetings, and pressing public officials.
To all listeners: the stakes, according to Bannon and guests, could not be higher, and the time to act is now.