WarRoom Battleground EP 984: Further News On The Revival, Which The Washington Post Attributes In Part To Charlie Kirk’s Death

Summary

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War Room Battleground EP 984: Further News On The Revival, Which The Washington Post Attributes in Part to Charlie Kirk’s Death

Date: April 8, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon (and WarRoom.org team)
Guests: Frank Walker, Jenny Holland, others

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Brief Overview

This episode investigates the unfolding revival of Christianity among Gen Z, focusing particularly on a recent Washington Post article highlighting the surge of young men converting to Catholicism. The panel critically analyzes the Vatican’s response to U.S. political actions, the new Pope Leo’s controversial stances, and the broader religio-political confrontation between Christian revivalism and globalist ideology. The panel also reflects on Charlie Kirk's assassination and its role in galvanizing faith among young people, as well as contrasting narratives between pacifism, Christian nationalism, and just war theory.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The New Pope Leo and the Geopolitical/Religious Battlefield

• Pope Leo's Position:

  • The Vatican under Pope Leo (Robert Francis Prevost) is characterized as left-leaning and globalist, drawing ongoing opposition from MAGA circles and traditionalist Catholics.
  • Frank Walker: “Leo is leaning into his role as heading the international opposition to the Trump administration, doing it from a spiritual, religious background, which of course gives him the protection of untouchability.” [07:01]
  • MAGA political leaders (Trump, J.D. Vance) largely ignore Leo’s provocations, but grassroots opposition is ramping up.
  • The hosts emphasize that the real engine of resistance is the movement’s laity, not only political or religious elites.

• Conflict Over Iran

  • Trump’s threat to Iran is condemned by Leo and mainstream Catholic media as “civilizational destruction,” but the War Room frames Trump’s strategy as calculated and ultimately peace-seeking.
  • Frank Walker: “Pacifism never brings peace, that the war is not really necessarily unjust at all… he [Trump] gave them a warning, he gave them a mercy, he told them what he was thinking of doing and they responded with peace. He brought the peace.” [09:32]

• Pope Leo's Theological Authority Questioned

  • Leo accused of political, rather than spiritual, motivations.
  • References to scandalous photos of the Pope’s alleged participation in “idolatrous” rituals are cited as evidence of his lack of Catholic orthodoxy.

Notable Quote:
“He’s going to use his position for political purposes, not for Catholic purposes.” – Traditionalist Commentator [12:20]

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2. Gen Z’s Revival: Data and Anecdotes

• Washington Post Coverage
  • The episode references a Washington Post feature that identifies a spike in Catholic conversions among Gen Z, especially young men.
  • “So it really does show yet again that this observation that we have been continually making really has legs — young men in particular, but not only, young people in general and Gen Z, are finding refuge from secular bankruptcy, moral and spiritual bankruptcy in the Catholic Church.” — Jenny Holland [21:38]
  • St. Joseph’s in Greenwich Village: Conversions increased from ~15/year pre-2020 to 88 this year. Social events after Mass attract up to 200 young adults.
  • The “theobros” phenomenon: Some young men are attracted to Catholicism for rules, order, and traditional values; others seek community/service.

Memorable Moment:
[20:04] (TikTok clip) "There were 25 young adults who are going to get confirmed this Easter... Gen Z is turning back to God and young adults are putting Catholicism on the rise."

• Charlie Kirk’s Assassination
  • The Washington Post notes that Kirk's death inspired some young men to reevaluate and reconnect with their Christian faith.
  • Host observes: “That would definitely corroborate the thesis that we had on the War Room...that the Holy Spirit will bring about fruit out of that heinous evil act.” [25:32]

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3. The Battle for the Meaning of Christianity: Pacifism, Nationalism & Just War

• Christianity and Political Violence
  • Debate between pacifist interpretations (Pope Leo, his defenders) versus MAGA-aligned “Christian nationalism”.
  • Contrast in public prayer styles (e.g., Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth quoting Psalms to bless U.S. troops: [31:48])

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth:
“Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle...” [31:48]

• Reaction from Catholic/Pacifist Side

  • Critics claim such rhetoric is un-Christian, invoking Jesus’ call for non-violence.
  • Commentator: “One of the positions here is actually rooted in the New Testament, and the other is Christian nationalism, which in my opinion is a contradiction in terms.” [32:31]

• War Room’s Counterargument

  • The hosts and guests defend just war theory and denounce what they see as the Vatican’s selective, out-of-context use of scripture to promote a “globalist” pacifism.
  • “The problem with today’s Vatican is that it doesn’t measure everything, it’s just like a superficial, particularly targeted extract of a quote, always in a globalist, pseudo-pacifist interpretation.” [37:52]

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4. The Church, Rules, and Rebellion

• Perceived Institutional Failure

  • Institutional church leaders are seen as responsible for decades of decline (“driving the Church into the ground” [05:40]).
  • Revival comes from laity and the grassroots, not bishops or officialdom.

• Gen Z’s Attraction to Rules

  • Contrary to popular wisdom, it is stricter rules and traditions (not watered-down “progressivism”) drawing young people back.
  • “People who grew up with very permissive parents tend to not be permissible of parents themselves because all humans need rules. Young people especially.” — Jenny Holland [50:32]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• On Movement vs. Leadership:
  “MAGA is a movement and its power and political influence comes from all of you, the War Room posse… It doesn’t matter if the political leadership sits it out.” [03:59]

• On Catholic Revival & Charlie Kirk:
  “A couple of people in this article are mentioned as crediting the assassination of Charlie Kirk for their rediscovery of their Christian faith. That corroborates our thesis that the Holy Spirit will bring about fruit out of that heinous evil act.” [25:27]

• On Gen Z’s Turn to Faith:
  [21:38] “Young people in general and Gen Z are finding refuge from secular bankruptcy, moral and spiritual bankruptcy, in the Catholic Church.” – Jenny Holland

• On Institutional Decay:
  “It's going to be the laity that will correct course on the Church, it won’t be the hiding shepherds, because all those Hylian shepherds have been responsible for is driving the Church into the ground.” [05:40]

• On Pacifism vs. Just War:
  “Pacifism never brings peace, that the war is not really necessarily unjust at all…he gave them a warning, he gave them a mercy, he told them what he was thinking of doing and they responded with peace. He brought the peace.” – Frank Walker [09:32]

• On Rules and Revival:
  “The fact that young men are seeking out the harder aspects of Catholicism, that is the strict rules on moral behavior, is important.” – Jenny Holland [22:44]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–03:00: Setting up the show, context on the “vacuum” in opposition to rising right-wing, ethno-nationalist narratives.
• 03:00–06:00: Analysis of Pope Leo’s election and the non-response by MAGA political elite.
• 07:00–12:00: In-depth criticism of Leo’s interventions and the Vatican’s relationship to American politics.
• 20:00–26:00: Jenny Holland unpacks the Washington Post article and the “Gen Z Catholicism” phenomenon. TikTok viral clip.
• 31:48–33:05: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s public prayer for military victory vs. Vatican/CNN position.
• 34:09–37:00: Effects of new clergy and “Christian nationalism” debate on the revival movement.
• 41:00–44:00: The hosts discuss clerical authority and the controversial public interventions of Leo and CNN-friendly priests.
• 44:00–51:00: Deep dive into generational shifts, Gen Z’s spiritual search, rules vs. community, and the failure of modern church leadership.
• 51:27: Jenny Holland and Frank Walker share social media handles as the episode wraps up.

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Additional Themes & Takeaways

Generational Shift

• Gen Z’s unique upbringing (digital native, exposure to social/cultural crises) primes it for a more radical return to faith with an appetite for structure, challenging the “everyone is equal, everything is permitted” platitudes of institutional religion.

Media and Narrative Control

• Ongoing contest over who gets to interpret and invoke Christian values: grassroots movements versus clerical/media elites.
• Concern over selective use/misuse of Scripture by the Vatican and liberal media.

Bottom Line:

• A robust, youth-driven revival is underway, sparked in part by the perceived martyrdom of activists like Charlie Kirk and a deep backlash against rootless secularism.
• The War Room frames this revival as the true future of Christianity — reacting against both institutional church decline and globalist, pacifist narratives from Rome.

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Socials Mentioned

• Jenny Holland: YouTube @saving culture from itself; Substack at Jenny E. Holland Substack
• Frank Walker: canon212.com; daily updates on Rumble and Warrior TV under “Stumbling Block”

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Transcript

[Frank Walker]

That I think Poppleo is aware that there's a vacuum in terms of the opposition against the ethno nationalist narratives. That's not just in America, but also in Europe. The entire discourse is dominated by the question of how far the right will go in conquering European countries. Hungary, Ireland, Italy, France, Germany. And there's not much talk about the alternative.

[Steve Bannon]

And so here we are. The Pope is poking the bear in the White House, and for now, Trump and the MAGA machine are not fighting

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

back for such a time as this.

[Steve Bannon]

Is Pope Leo, formerly known as Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost, aware he now occupies a very, very unique position?

[Frank Walker]

I think he's perfectly aware that this started from the very beginning. If you remember the first few days, Leo's election in May, we had Steve Bannon saying that Prevost was the worst possible choice because he was a socialist, he was a globalist. All of that so far, Trump himself and J.D. vance and other top, top officials, they have avoided, they have ignored the arguments made by the

[Caller or supporter]

this is the primal scream, dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Steve Bannon]

And where do people like that go

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

to share the big lie?

[Steve Bannon]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Caller or supporter]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my

[Guest or commentator (possibly a Catholic traditionalist commentator)]

country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

Good evening, Harnwell. Here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. You'll notice it's not the usual VOAM background for me this evening. That's because I have returned to my beloved homeland on mission, on assignment, and that's where I'm going to be for the next few days. We played that clip which has had a bit of engagement on social media. Deutsche Welle is one of the large German broadcaster. And you've got the guy, the talking head there saying how Steve. Which is absolutely true, Steve Bannon led the opposition to Pope Leo in the first few days. And there hasn't really been much said by JD or by the rest of the administration. And I just want to, you know, I would address Deutsche well and all of the commentators on this point because It's a point that is made from time to time. And it's basically this. Firstly, we're just getting started in our opposition to, to the, the pontificate of Pope Leo. We're just getting started. And the more outrageous and lefty and globalist he is, you know, you're going to find that the War Room is going to be there at the cutting edge, as is Canon 212. I'm absolutely delighted to be born and living at this moment in time in order to be able to make that contributions. The first thing is we're just getting started. And the second thing, it doesn't really matter if President Trump or the Vice President are just taking all the incoming that the Vatican chooses to fire in their direction. It doesn't really matter because the importance is this, is that MAGA is a movement and its power and political influence comes from all of you, the War Room posse. Certainly people like Steve Bannon, when they step up to the plate, can give voice to that movement in their own particular way. But if the President is sitting this out and JD Sitting out, that's fine. That's absolutely fine. The importance is, is that believing, especially because we do this one hour a week show, we have a largely evangelical audience, but it is the editorial policy specifically to bring news for traditional Catholics. As long as those traditional Catholics feel empowered and feel their agency, which is something that Steve talks about basically every, every hour of his four hours of programming per day, that's, that's fine. It doesn't matter if the, if the political leadership sits it out. So this is a movement based opposition. And in the end, and this is something we've been asking for since this show basically started five, six years ago, in the end, believe it's going to be the laity that will, that will correct course on the church, it won't be the hiding shepherds because all those Hylian shepherds have been responsible for is driving the Church into the ground. From its heyday in the 1950s to now, basically diocese is having bankruptcies right across the west, closing seminaries and what have you. There are some green shoots showing and we'll be talking about those a little later with Jenny Holland in the show who very diligently follows these developments. But I'll make the point later that what we're seeing here needs to be understood in its context. The green shoots have a very particular purpose. Okay, but we'll come to those points later. Let's start. Frank Walker, having spoken about. Not my Pope VII just now, and he is definitely gearing up and making his opposition ever more clear, ever more visible. He really just, I think it's true. I think he's leaning into now, I'd say he's leaning into his role as heading the international opposition to the Trump administration, doing it from a spiritual, religious background, which of course gives him the protection of untouchability. He came out and gave what even the mainstream media that often carries his and his immediate predecessors water is calling an unprecedented attack on a head of state. He basically said that Trump's threat to destroy Iranian civilization is unacceptable. Now, I have to say, I wasn't a big fan of that comment myself, to be honest with you, but I think it's unacceptable that a religious leader is coming in here and using certain political events to enter the narrative and trying to get the story all about him. I think, quite rightly, Frank Walker, tell me, quite rightly, the administration's response will be, you know, your holiness, perhaps get your own house in order first. Right.

[Guest or commentator (possibly a Catholic traditionalist commentator)]

Well, that's certainly what you hear from the leader of the ICE program. He says that all the time. You know, as a Catholic, you need to get your own house in order. I think what happened with Trump and this, he's, he's had a couple very incendiary things that he has thrown out there lately. And you know, all of the left and the people that in the press, in the Catholic press that were supporting Leo and saying he's okay, and he's very Catholic, against all evidence at the beginning of his pontificate a year ago, they're all very, very never Trump right now, they're all very against Trump. So what you're mentioning the way Leo is never Trump all the time, and the mainstream press always likes to say his interventions are rare, but he makes them every single day. His most powerful interventions are always directly against Trump policy. So as soon as Trump came out with this civilizational, this will cause civilizational death to Iran. Yesterday, everybody, Leo was out there immediately to jump, and all the Catholic press was against it. And Leo said, you can't kill a whole civilization. Well, he wasn't saying that. What he was talk. He was just being colorful and talking about blowing up power plants and bridges. And as we see today, you were, every single person in the category is going to say, you're going to go to hell if you follow Trump. We need to, we need JD Vance to become the president right away. We need to have the 25th Amendment. We need to have him, him removed. Leo's out there. You can't kill a whole civilization. And you know, of course, all of the bishops, now, the top American bishops were saying, this is unjust. You can't do anything like this. Everybody was on top of that. And the very next morning, we have a peace agreement, we have a so called sort of a ceasefire, a situation where the peace is there. And so Trump brilliantly has used all his opposition to make his point. They've made his point because he's proven to them that pacifism is not the solution. Pacifism never brings peace, that the war is not really necessarily unjust at all. You know, there's only been about. I've only seen maybe 2,000 people have died in Iraq based on these combined American and Israeli attacks. But there's been almost 50,000 people that died protesting the government that's there. So you have a war that has been fought with limited casualties against military targets, and instead of just doing by surprise bombing the other civilizational targets like power plants, he gave them a warning, he gave them a mercy, he told them what he was thinking of doing and they responded with peace. He brought the peace. And all of the people that were against them have been made to look like they didn't really want the peace at all.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

So I'm looking at these developments, Frank Walker, and I see the Pope's intervention and I'm assuming in his promotion of peace, you know, blessed are the peacemakers and what have you. That's. I'm assuming when the Pope was making his political intervention, he was doing it in the name of Jesus Christ, right, Prince of peace, and saying the secular, unconverted world, that you're not going to have peace unless you convert to Christ. Because I'm assuming he said that and the press just missed it out. Because all I see here are references to international law in the Pope's intervention here. Can you help me with that? Because I thought the Pope is supposed to be sort of Christ's vicar here on earth, the head of the institution that is obviously Christ is the head of the Church. The Church is Christ's mystical body. But in terms of earthly leadership, that's the Pope. I'm assuming that he was invocating, invoking the Prince of Peace here or no,

[Guest or commentator (possibly a Catholic traditionalist commentator)]

unfortunately, I have to say that I think the answer to that is no. I think that he does not act like a vicar of Christ because he's clearly demonstrated that he doesn't hold the Catholic faith. Over and over again, he's demonstrated that he doesn't hold Catholic teaching. Just in a couple of weeks ago, they, they had evidence of him a couple decades ago bowing down before a Pachamama demon, which is, you know, it may seem like nothing to some people, but it's very important in the Catholic faith. We are in a situation now where we have Popes Francis and Leo, who are not Catholic, but they're there sort of as a stunt in order to use for political purposes. And that's what you're going to, that's what you have to understand about, about Pope Leo. He's going to use his position for political purposes, not for Catholic purposes. He's going for mention.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

You just mentioned something that we have to wheel back because I don't think we've covered it yet on the show. That is very important. Tell me about the photos that emerged a couple of weeks ago of supposedly showing then Father Bob before he was made a cardinal, before he's made a bishop. I'm assuming that those photos were taken quite some time ago. But the young Father Bob prostrating himself with others, prostrating themselves to this false idol. Tell me, do you think this photo is even true? Is it AI, Is it doctored? Has it been verified? And what does it mean if the present papal pretender was prostrating himself to idols, what does that mean for the Catholic Church?

[Guest or commentator (possibly a Catholic traditionalist commentator)]

Well, it is true. It's been verified by people that were there and it's part of his, they call it enculturation, but a ceremony. And Pope Francis also participated in a ceremony to the same idol. It's really a demon that uses human sacrifice, the kind of demon that they worship when, when the, you know, the conquistadors came to Latin America and converted it. Well, this is sort of an anti conversion, but, but things like that and things like this, well, that was completely overlooked in the current press. When Francis did it was at the Vatican. Things like this demonstrate that the Pope is not a Catholic. And when you look at the bishop appointments which mean so much, one after another after another after another, there are people with bad histories, people that support anti Catholic doctrine, things that are not Catholic and support also, you know, the problems with abuse in the church, they create more abuse. So that's what I was referring to. So you have to remember that Leo cannot be expected to be Catholic. Now what we have, he represents globalism. He represents the people who pay him, not Christ's church. And so we have, with this war going on, so much force against globalism with a flood of the zone. So Leo is full time against it. It's sort of like a propaganda war. And he's a propaganda tool. And all the people on the left are using it, including the people, the controlled resistance on the right, the people that were attacking Trump just yesterday, Taylor Marshall, Michael Matt from the Remnant, Bishop Strickland himself, Lifesite News, Catholics for Catholics. These are MAGA people, Kerry Baller and Candace Owens and also people on the left like Michael Lofton, Lila Rose, all the traditional Catholics, everybody flooded the zone against Trump yesterday. Today, they're going to start to get quiet. And Leo is just a part of that. He's just like they want him to be the leader of that cause. And people from the hard left, like Lawrence o' Donnell are going to help Leo. And so that's what you have. You have a tool of the left acting as a Catholic pope. And you can't be taken in by, and I believe that Catholics like you were mentioning earlier, MAGA Catholics that are discerning and faithful, they're not going to be taken in by Leo.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

Well, not if they're watching the war room, they won't be doing. I think we've had his number since day one. But just to synthesize this, because I think the juxtaposition is perfect, the guy currently acting as the honorary chaplain for the New World Order decades ago was prostrating himself down to an idol, a demon. And that's the same Pachamama that the young Alexander Chugo went into to the church upon the Via della Reconciliatione, tucked all the idols in his arms, filmed himself on his social media going down to the tire bone. He threw them all in. Folks on the wall will remember that it's the same idol, a demon that accepts human sacrifices is what the present guy, in the name of peace, in the name of the Christless peace that he's offering, is now putting himself forward as the leader of the international opposition to President Trump. All right, well, we'll continue to monitor this. Frank Standby, we're back with you on a similar but related theme. In just a few moments in the second half of the show, then we're going to come to Jenny. But first, folks, think about this. Back in 2006, 20 years ago, if you'd have put down $20,000 and bought gold at spot price, you'd have had about 33 ounces while selling those 33 ounces. Today, 20 years on, you'd be selling them at a spot price, around $165,000. Massive, massive increase there. That's why smart Americans are diversifying a portion of their savings into precious metals. And that's why you need to consider buying gold from our friends at Birch Gold Group. For thousands of years, gold has been a store of wealth. That's a simple fact and today it's a crucial part of any balance strategy. Even better, Birch Gold can help you con an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered retirement account in gold. Just text the name Bannon to the number 989-898 to receive your free info kit on Gold. There's no obligation, just useful information with an A plus rating. With a Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers, let Birchgold help you diversify with gold. Text Bannon to 989-898 that's Bannon B A N O N to 989-898. Do it today and Philip Patrick and his team are standing by waiting for your call. Before we go to Jenny, let's have a quick play of the clip that Jenny herself had highlighted for her introduction on the show.

[Anthony Gross]

I think I just found the third best Catholic church in New York City. My name is Anthony and for the past five weeks I've been visiting and ranking every Catholic church in the Big Apple. We're on a mission to make church fun again and highlight places with a good young adult community. And what happened this week is going to shock you. My friend told me to check out Our Savior. It was a cozy Mass and the priest is pretty inspirational. But the crazy part happened before Communion. There were 25 young adults who are going to get confirmed this Easter. Guys, that's a crazy number for some random church in New York. And it makes me realize one thing. The pendulum is swinging. Gen Z is true, turning back to God and young adults are putting Catholicism on the rise. So because of that, our Savior gets beat here. So let's keep this momentum going and drop a follow to be a part of the movement that turns Gen Z back to God.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

Jenny Holland, Gen Z is coming back to God. This is something that I think you're one of the world leaders on on the phenomenon on this, watching what's going on on social media. Tell us, tell the war in posse exactly what was in I think it's the Washington Post article right on exactly this phenomenon.

[Jenny Holland]

Well, if I am the world leader on this, then God does indeed work in mysterious ways. Ben yes. So that is a very interesting Instagram TikTok Sorry, video from an account of a young man called Anthony Gross who was profiled in a Washington Post style section article entitled why Catholicism is Drawing Gen Z Men In. And I wanted to share that with you that particular TikTok video. Because what surprised me about it was as he mentions this much smaller congregation, not the St. Joe's that we have referenced multiple times now in our weekly look into Catholicism, but a smaller congregation admitting or welcoming in 25, he said, young adults at Easter as converts. So it really does show yet again that this observation that we have been continually making really has legs that young men in particular, but not only young people in general and Gen Z, are finding refuge from secular bankruptcy, moral and spiritual bankruptcy in the Catholic Church. The Washington Post article is very interesting and I do suggest you go read it, especially if you can put it in an archive link and get it for free. It's very interesting because. Well, one, one small tell is that it's written by not a religious religious affairs correspondent, which of course would give it some sort of gravitas as far as the Post is concerned, but rather a sort of style section trend guy. But what they say, what the people profiled in it say very interesting things. One young man who asked not to have his full name given made a point about what they call theobros. So there is this online trend that kind of maybe is sort of a spin off of the quote unquote manosphere young men looking to instill their lives with discipline and morality. And some of those offshoots are kind of a very warped manifestation. But in terms of the Catholicism he gave this very interesting sort of juxtaposition between theobros who are looking to the Catholic Church for rules and power based sort of reasons versus people like himself who are looking for community and service. You know, my point though is in that, in that observation is that the rules and power base part of this is actually very, very important. And I wrote a substack about this last Sunday for Easter specifically that actually the service and the community are very, very valuable and crucial and foundational. And you can see that with this article specifically mentioning St. Joseph's in the. In Greenwich Village in New York. But the rules and power are necessary as well, and we can't have one without the other. And I think the fact that young men are seeking out the harder aspects of Catholicism, that is the strict rules on moral behavior is important. A very, very interesting fact point in this article though is that St. Joseph's again in Greenwich Village, New York City, the heart of sort of left wing inspired, sexually profligate counterculture that has then started out as counterculture but became the dominant culture of mainstream America in the, in the course of my lifetime. And My lifetime went from having about. I think it was 13 or 13 to 16 converts per year in up until 2020 to 35 last year to 88 this year. So more than doubled in one year. People joining the Catholic Church and taking the rights of initiation. That is incredible. Again, I cannot emphasize this enough. This is not just America. This is New York City. It's not just New York, It's Manhattan. It's not just Manhattan. It's Greenwich Village. People are flocking to this church. Up to 200 people or sometimes more than 200 people stay for the social event after the Sunday evening mass. It's really something to behold. And I know that people are leaving, young people are leaving in greater numbers. But it's very important to note that the people who are joining are going to be more traditional and more foundational than the ones who are leaving. So it might be a quality over quantity or a quantity over quality phenomenon that's happening right now.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

That's exactly what is. It's the yeast that makes the bread rise. I did notice in this story, Jenny, that a couple of people in this article are mentioned as crediting the assassination of Charlie Kirk for their rediscovery of their Christian faith. And that would definitely. That would definitely corroborate the thesis that we had on the War Room right at that time that there will be fruit, the Holy Spirit will bring about fruit out of that heinous evil act. And that would contribute to the revival. And you come on every Wednesday and you give us these. These developments. And this article in the Washington Post, it's not a negative article. That's what really surprises me. It's very positive article in its. Recognizing this trend, right?

[Jenny Holland]

Yeah, I would say so. I mean, I think, first of all, if you don't want to be part of a club that is the Washington Post, that's number one. Number two, though, is that I always find that there's always backhanded compliments given in these. When an establishment organization sort of deigns to descend among the common muck and the rabble and. And try and give them a fair shake by representing them somewhat correctly. They do try to tie it to the manosphere in ways that I don't think is fair.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

But, Jenny, hold. Hold on. We'll continue this point in two minutes after this short break.

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[Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth]

Snap the rod of the oppressor, frustrate the wicked plans, and break the teeth of the ungodly. By the blast of your anger, let the evil perish. Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle. May the Lord grant unyielding strength and refuge to our warriors. The providence of our Almighty God is there protecting those troops, and we're committed to this mission.

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So talk about the significance of that language, especially when discussed in the context of this conflict with Iran.

[Commentator or analyst]

Well, it's really significant because Pete Hexseth is praying for overwhelming violence against those who deserve no mercy at a Christian worship service. I mean, the Pope comes back with, what about Gethsemane? I mean, Jesus rebukes the disciple who draws the sword. I mean, Jesus of the Gospel refused the sword even to save his own life. So I think one of the positions here is actually rooted in the New Testament, and the other one is Christian nationalism, which in my opinion is a contradiction in terms. So I think it's really very interesting that the Two are pitted against each other and the Pope is kind of taking it on, you know, heads on.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

Welcome back. We're going to finish the point with Jenny in just a moment. Talking about Gen Z, Frank Walker. Jenny's talking about all these young guys, these 20 year old guys, the gym bros, the Catholic bros, right, Coming to church for the same time for the first time. I think that's as we made the point before on the show, this is really in spite of the Bishop's best efforts and not because of anything they've been doing to encourage this revival that's taking place. What are they going to think, these 20 year old guys, right, when they're fired up with the faith and they see priests like this. Where did, where did CNN get this guy from? I gather he was what, he's Chris Cuomo's favorite priest. But I reckon that the, the influence influences the, the, the bros are going to be bringing people into the church and just as fast as they're coming in, priests like this are going to frighten them all off again.

[Guest or commentator (possibly a Catholic traditionalist commentator)]

Yeah, they will. And, and I think that the, I think that the apparatus of Leo Church is at work trying to find ways to take these young men and twist their idea of what Catholicism is. They're going to kind of swoop in there and give them the wrong ideas a lot, but they're going to have to use their own. Like they have the power of the Internet to find their way through that. This priest here knows exactly what the game is. And you know, both of those guys in that clip, they have a permanent frown on their face. His manner is so off putting. I think he's from a parish in fancy Scarsdale, New York or something. But that idea of Christian nationalism is just, it's put out there to sort of censor the, the more power related aspects of, of Christianity. Like the real teaching, you know, he's appealing to God to, to strike the evildoers, to strike people that, that, that are the bad guys really and use his power against them and to protect their own troops. There's nothing wrong with any of that. But he makes it look like what they're saying is not Christian because he's advocating for violence and he says that Christ himself told Peter to put away the sword, but that's because Peter was trying to stop him from actually sacrificing. You know, that's Jesus. Jesus gave his life voluntarily as a sacrifice for all of us. But that doesn't mean that we all need to be victims of unjust violence, which is what Pope Leo and his pacifism and Father Beck, who's defending him, are trying to get everybody to do, say that it's illegal to defend yourself with the sword. You know, they're defending people in Iran, a lot of people, those soldiers, they're killing people, but they're also risking their lives and for other people that are weaker, for people all around the world geopolitically, to give them power. Like the Trump administration writes about people being sovereign in their security document, that, you know, being, being people are independent and sovereign countries and they're trying to help the Middle east become that way. So Pope Leo is all against that. Father Beck says something here that's very key to understand Pope Leo. He says, I think Christians have to ask in particular Catholics, who do you align yourself with? Where do you stand? Do you accept the Pope saying that Jesus is non violent, that this war is immoral, or do you look at people who really are having very difficult, I think, issues trying to allow Christian scriptures to justify their positions? They're not doing that. They're simply praying by using the Bible like many good Protestants do. I wouldn't agree with him at all about that.

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I don't agree with him at all either. And you cited our Lord's words to Peter, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. You know, that's, that's a very powerful expression and it has been sort of considered, theologians have been looking at that sort of basically 2,000 years. And of course the Catholic Church has just war theory under its belt, which is a, which is a key part of sort of Catholic teaching. I, I say this because he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword isn't necessarily the pacifist mantra that you could, you could, without studying it, easily assume it to be. It's simply saying that, that if you, if you, if you, if you resort to violence, that violence, that circle of violence is going to continue and it's going to consume you as well.

[Jenny Holland]

Right.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

And that's the proper context. Oh, by the way, it's a very pertinent warning, I think. And all people, all Catholics, all people of goodwill need to have that thought percolating at the back of their minds all the time because, you know, where there is a circle of violence, we need to get out of it. But as I say, just war theory suggests that at times fighting is a legitimate, bearing arms is a legitimate response. That's what you don't get from today's Vatican fact. I basically say this. The problem with today's Vatican is That it doesn't measure everything. It's just like a superficial, particularly targeted extract of a quote, always in a globalist, pseudo, pacifist interpretation.

[Guest or commentator (possibly a Catholic traditionalist commentator)]

He says that Pope's never made these kinds of interventions with Americans before, but they always do this. They interview on wars. They say something. I think that Pete has said quotes of the Bible are carefully selected. I think he's teaching the world about what a just war is. He's trying to help us see the big picture, the full scale of picture, not this abridged thing like you said. I mean, the astronauts are praying to Jesus. Vance is over in Hungary talking about Jesus and Easter, and Trump's putting up a picture of Jesus and the White House and giving these great Easter statements. It's all very appropriate to bring Christianity back into the place where it belonged. Trump is even every day, he's. I mean, he's saying that. He's noting what you and Jen were just talking about, the incredible growth of religion. They're supporting it, they're encouraging it, and they're praising it as it happens. This is the kind of people that America really are. They're giving us back what our birthright is, which is our Christian ability to have Christian heritage and Christian power and brave men who fight for the country and fight for everybody else, too, with their. It's heroic. And what Pope and what Leo and this Father Ed Rebecca are promoting is cowardice. They're calling it justice. They're saying it's an unjust war, but really what they want is failure. They're advocating on the side of the enemies of this project, just like they did, you know, they do in Ukraine, too. What they want is cowardice. And they're teaching it and calling it, you know, war, just war theory.

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They dress, they're dressed. They are dressing up cowardice. And with the veneer of religiosity. Let me just throw this because I do want to continue the point with Jenny that we're talking about before. Let me just conclude then with this. Well, first of all, here's what Pope Leo said. He said that God does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war, but rejects them, saying, even though you make many prayers, I will not listen, your hands are full of blood. And I never hear him ever saying this, by the way, to representatives of Islam when he gets together with them. Right, Point one. But I tell you what I found most objectionable about this segment on CNN is the Father Beck and Pamela Brown, the CNN journalist, attacked Pete Hegseth's, in their words, unqualified use of the Christian language. It's just so patronizing to it owned but only to certain Christians that they could say you, you, you are unqualified even to, to, to, to, to use Christian formulation. This belongs to us. We are the, we are the clerical class. And I don't mean by in the religious priestly clerical class because you've got the CNN woman there, but we are the superior social clerical class, which of course they are when the state itself has assumed the role of the church. They are a priestly class in the medieval mold and they are saying who can use Christian language or not? And obviously Pete Hegseth can't.

[Guest or commentator (possibly a Catholic traditionalist commentator)]

Yeah. And Pope Leo in that quote where he says your hands are full of blood, he took that out of context. That section of the Bible said the prophet is condemning that society before him as being corrupt in every way, not just in unjust violence, but in every single way. God says, I don't want your sacrifices if you can't even be good people, I want you to be good people and virtuous first. So it's really not about war and it's not about violence. So it's been taken out of context of misunderstood, used. Ed Rebecca has many lies like that in this picture, including saying that he's not qualified. And of course, Leo is the one that's qualified.

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Leo is so qualified, he's not, he's allowed to talk not just about religion and use Christian language. He's also qualified to talk about politics as well. And that should never be questioned. We'll be back with you in 10 minutes for the socials at the end of the show. Very quickly, what if you had the brightest mind in the war room delivering critical financial research every month? The War Room posse knows that that person for us on the warm is Jim Rickards. He is our wise man, former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor with unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets. His late Jim's latest book, Money GPT, exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos. So right now, War Room members get a free copy of MoneyGPT when they sign up for Strategic Intelligence, Jim's flagship financial newsletter. Time is running out. Go to ricardswarroom.com now and claim your free copy of Mini GPT. That's Ricards war room.com special landing page, folks, just for you. Check it out now on your browsers. Jenny, let's go back to the point that you were saying before the break. Just finish that and then we'll talk about this Article by Lord Frost in the Daily Telegraph, you were saying something that you. That you don't subscribe to all elements of the manus. The manosphere agenda on social media.

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No, not at all. It's not meant for me though. Anyway, I'm a middle aged woman, so it's not really.

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I don't think you are the intended audience.

[Jenny Holland]

I'm definitely not the intended audience. I'm old enough to be their mother. But. No, actually, but to tie the Gen Z point to what you and Frank were just talking about, like this is the reality. There is a parallel to this debate about Iran happening in a domestic social. In the domestic and social sphere. And I'll tell you exactly what that is. So someone like that priest who was interviewed on cnn, I mean, check out the optics. He's literally a gray haired old man talking to one of the most cosseted and protected and materially spoiled women ever to exist in the history of mankind. And they're sitting there giving forth these platitudes about what constitutes justice and what constitutes the proper application of force, as if either of them had ever been anywhere close to the wisdom that is required to make that determination. But do you know who is much closer, in fact? Young men. Young men are the ones who are going to face the reality of a potential ground war. But at home, young men are the ones who are facing what some people are calling an impending economic apocalypse. In terms of jobs, they are facing certainly huge amounts of economic crisis. In terms of cost of living, they are facing a sort of social extreme ostracization in woke, which is a demonic thought system that has to a very large degree supplanted Judeo Christian values in every single institution, unless Trump has managed to root it out, which he hasn't fully despite his best efforts. So young men are in a much better place to determine what is the best moral direction that these questions should move towards. And in the second article that we were going to talk about, which was in the UK Telegraph, not by a Gen Z person, quite the opposite. By an old sort of august establishment figure who's asking his readership to take seriously the issue of Christianity and whether or not it's true. And he's remarking sort of anecdotally that he's seeing a rise in an interest in this among young people. And one of the things he mentions is, yes, progressive wokeness is obviously a huge issue, but also is a very sort of insurgent and confident Islam. And who amongst the British population are the people who are most affected by this young people, young white British people. Do I have to remind people about the rape gang? Ongoing horrors that have not been fully addressed and they have apparently not even been fully rooted out as in many people are saying that they're still ongoing. So if you're faced with it's young people who are at the coal phase of the spiritual war that is happening and it's absolutely no wonder that they are not going to listen to the establishment church figures, especially not in the Church of England for the love of God. I mean what an absolute holy show that is all of these platitudes. And we welcome everyone, everyone's equal and everyone has value. Well then what's the point of even being a church? Obviously humans are all equals in the equal in the eye of God. But again going back to my point with this rules based versus community based perception of religion, you know, you need both. But what many people need now is the sort of harder application of rules to protect, to protect our own home and to protect our own hearth. And that is what the Gen Z Christian revival seems to be seeking out.

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You know, it seems to me because you mentioned this anecdotally in my empirically, in my own life when I'm talking to people about Christianity I often get the, get, get the response that people say I don't like organized. I don't know where the expression comes from but people say it as if they thought it up themselves even though they always use the same word. I don't sort of, I believe in God they'll say but I, I don't believe in organized religion. And then some people hit the rules thing that you're mentioning and I get the idea, especially when I hear something about their private lives. It's not the rules that they're particularly the idea about there being disciplined or the rules. It's the fact that they're on the wrong, their private lives are on the wrong side of the rules. That's really the antagonism. But they wanted, they dress it up again with the veneer of intellectualism

[Jenny Holland]

and

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

it's just not sustainable. And I think, and I think it's like, it's like, you know, because you and I, Jenny, we're of an age and, and Frank as well that, that there was some remnants of institutional Christianity when we were at school, when we were to the grow, growing up, the present generation, the Gen Z had literally had nothing. It's grown up in a wilderness and they know how barren that wilderness is. Right? That's why they're coming back and they've been frightened off by, by the, by, by our generation as parents talking about the rules and their discipline and the church wants to tell you what to do and all the rest of it. And they're looking for themselves and they're saying actually it's, it's a, it's like the reality is a lot deeper than what we've been sold and they've been attracted to this reality, right?

[Jenny Holland]

Absolutely. And the Gen Z are the first people to grow up fully digital. I mean, I know a lot of millennials have as well, but Gen Z are the first generation to not remember a time before the Internet. And so they're also the generation that has been exposed from early, very, very, very early on in their years to the horrors of online pornography, to this shallow competition and performative nonsense of social media. And also, and then, I mean the positive side, as the Daily Telegraph article mentions to the kind of Catholic and maybe evangelical as well, I suppose you could call them influencers, people who are just speaking even basic truths about religion, that has huge resonance to young people who have grown up without it. I mean, I know from personal experience, just anecdotally, people who grew up with very permissive parents tend to not be permissible of parents themselves because all humans need rules. Young people especially the pendulum always, the

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pendulum always swings back. The article in the Daily Telegraph, by the way, by Lord Frost is Britain is quietly awakening to full fat supernatural Christianity. We'll try and get the link out very, very quickly, guys. Jenny, what's your social media 20?

[Jenny Holland]

My YouTube is at saving culture from itself and myself. Substack is at Jenny E. Holland substack.com

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

and I very strongly recommend both those Frank Walker, where do people go for the stumbling block?

[Guest or commentator (possibly a Catholic traditionalist commentator)]

And canon212canon212.com and the daily update is on rumble and warrior TV and all at stumbling block two.

[Host (possibly Steve Bannon or a co-host)]

Frank Walker, Jenny Holland, many thanks.

[Jenny Holland]

Thanks.

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