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WarRoom Special Coverage: The Israel-Iran War
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Stephen K. Bannon
I had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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Matt Gaetz
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Matt Gaetz
War ROOM here's your host, Stephen k.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Banner Foreign 21 June Year of our Lord 2025 Decide the President is at I guess Morristown, just getting ready to leave. Flight back to Andrews Air Force Base. He's then going to take Marine one, go to the White House on the public we have the footage. Let's go ahead and watch. Is it B roll we have anybody there? Let's go watch B roll there we have right there. Let's go ahead and cut it in. There we go. I want to thank by the way we're putting this together as you can imagine on a on the first day of summer. We have a couple three of our starters on the production side. They're off with family. So we're putting this together right there. President leaving, coming back. He's in the air right now. There we go right there. President United States I'm gonna get to there's some unconfirmed media reports are they're up on Israeli media right now but the Israeli media saying they're unconfirmed. We're gonna get to in a second. There's President Trump heading up the steps of Air Force One. Short trip to Bedminster. Return back there's a little bit no salute, no wave at the top. Okay welcome here. We're gonna get some of our folks in here. Matt Boyle is going to try to drop by from Breitbart. Jack Bo is going to join us if he can tear himself away. There is there's unconfirmed reports up on Israeli media right now that there may be some activity by either the IDF or the Israeli Air Force either There's actually a couple of things up on Twitter have not been confirmed but Israeli TV is picking them up saying these are unverified about potential activity. Kinetic activity at fordor by the Israelis, not by the Americans. Looks like maybe Israeli Air force or commandos. We'll find out on the outer security door and we're going to we're going to get to that as we possibly get to it. Here's the the Reset from this morning, President Trump has given, you know, two weeks extension to the, to the ayatollah and the Iranian regime. It's very difficult to kind of find anybody to negotiate with. They're very slow in getting back. We understand State Wyckoff has been very frustrated and actually trying to get somebody to sit down. A lot of, you know, a lot of rumors about Turkey, other people trying to get involved and try to make something happen here. Of course, one of the, one of the officials from, although not on the official negotiating team was in Geneva with the Europeans. And right now, President Trump is saying, hey, you got two weeks, but we got to see some progress. There's also reports that the, the Persians have come back, the Iranians have come back and said, look, there's got to be a ceasefire. We can't do this. While we're getting pounded, we're getting pounded clearly by someone who has air supremacy or air superiority. And folks are saying, hey, if you can get them to a cease fire, maybe we can get some people at a negotiating table. President Trump is saying, look, it looks like they're winning. I'm not so sure they're going to give you a ceasefire. And so there we have it. President Trump's heading back. He's supposed to arrive here momentarily. We started here at 5. President Trump is supposed to be back, I think at 5. 40. We have David Zier at the White House. We are also real. America's voice is in the pool for the arriving of Marine One. And so we're going to get David Zier up as soon as we can get him up. Also trying to get Erik Prince to join us, maybe even General Mike Flynn. I'm both producing at the same time that we are, that we are putting this together. We said earlier, and this came from the classic movie Bridge Too Far, if you remember, if you haven't seen Bridge Too Far, it's about a, an attempt in September of 1944 to try to expedite and bring the war to an end. Remember, we had had d day on the 6th of June, and then afterwards, after the great invasion of Normandy, and we got a toehold there, we clearly had air superiority already over, over France and over Nazi Germany. We had a very difficult time breaking out of the hedgerows. Patton then was brought back. He had been cashiered for a while. He was brought back, led us out of the kind of the hedgerow situation we'd gotten bogged down in. The British army had gotten bogged down to our north. And what happened, I Think we took Paris in August, in mid August, but it was slow going. People were thinking how do we actually use maneuver warfare? How do we actually get smart and do this? I came up with a plan to have a massive, I think 35,000 drop of airborne because airborne had done a pretty good job at Normandy behind the lines. Or the came up with the idea of doing the 82nd, 101st, you know, the revered 82nd. President Trump was just down there last week. The 101st Airborne, also a Polish brigade. I think it was a Polish brigade of paratroopers and I think it was the British 8th paratroop unit. It was famous. It was their paratroop division. So to use all the parachute assets we had and really do a series of taking these, I think five or six bridges across these different, these different rivers in the Low Countries and really get right up to get right up against the Germans quickly. There was a controversy about how quickly it was going to go. And when they had these series of meetings and the intelligence people came, the intelligence people came and said, hey, we think there's a problem. The Panzers might have been pulled back. So the Germans were retreating. They're going to be right in the line of some of these, some of these bridges and we need to do more intelligence. We are delay this. And there's a famous scene where the, where the British general says the party is on. That was a phrase that was used in, in World War II, I think was also in one of the movies in Normandy by Cornelius Ryan, the, the writer of the Longest Day and also the writer of Bridge Too Far. And that's what we were saying this morning. There's something clearly happening right now. President Trump has already said, or I shouldn't say he said he has. It has been reported and Mark Caputo this morning reiterated that, that the president looked at a range of alternatives and that if he feels because he's already said under no circumstances are they going to have a nuclear weapon or the ability to make a nuclear weapon. And in that he was trying to, to do it via negotiations, but he said, hey, if I have to go kinetic, I'll go kinetic. They've looked at a range of alternatives and President Trump at least has been reported, has signed off in a plan. If he's prepared, if he's, if, if that's the way we have to go, there's no way to do negotiations. It in that, in that plan you have to have assets. And it looks like they pre positioned B2s. They pre positioned some of the Tankers that everywhere from, from Guam to other areas around the, around the Middle east that certain assets are in place. If President Trump was going to, was actually going to, was actually going to here they're changing my clock even as we speak that if you're going to go and have go kinetic that you have those assets, you have those assets set up right away those assets. It looks like many of the assets you would need have been pre positioned. So President Trump would just have to issue an order the strike plan would be promulgated. There is reporting on Twitter early looked like it was pretty well verified that no strike plan has been issued by the Pentagon. So it looks like on the American side it's pre positioning of assets. As best as we can tell, like I said, there is reporting on Israeli TV and they're the first to say this is totally unverified. But they're hearing and, and I'm hearing from, from other folks right now. There actually may be the party is on and it may be the IDF and the Israeli Air Force. We've been a huge advocate of this. In fact I said today I've got a, got a tweet up. I should say that Getter that I posted on Getter and I ended the show this morning. The party is on but who's going to be the host? And we've been a big advocate for that. The Israelis ought to be a host and we're a big advocate that the Israelis, they should go for it. Whether they do it through commando raids, whether they do it through a series of peeling bombs or to peel layer by layer. Understand they do not have the throw weight of the weapons systems we have in this regard. They also don't have the stealth capabilities totally that we have. It would be much more dangerous. But this is their mission and I think, I don't know, we may be getting some kinetic activity that I think would be a good sign. It would show that they're very serious in getting this done and at least going to take a stab at it. President Trump was pretty, I don't say adamant, but he was on the tarmac yesterday. President Trump addressed this. President Trump addressed both the situation of a ceasefire and he said hey, the Israelis look like they're winning right now. The Iranians are not. I don't know how we're going to get to a ceasefire if someone's winning. And like I said, the back channel has been the Iranians are not prepared to sit down even if he can find the people to sit down with. Right. Not prepared to sit down until there's some sort of cease fire. Also, President Trump reiterated, he says, hey, look, I'm not so sure the Israelis actually have the military capacity, the military capacity to do this. And so that's where we stand. Although I think there are many, many, many wheels in motion when I say that I think there's negotiations and contacts all over the region. I think the Arab nations are very involved in this. Turkey is very involved in this. I wouldn't be surprised Russia, how involved they are and trying to get people to the table and maybe get people to say, hey, stand down here and let's see if we can't get a real negotiation. President Trump is very adamant on the diplomatic side and he's saying he's not going to get tapped along again. He's not there and he's really not there to do a verification, a verification program. He wants something that totally deconstructs their capability of making a bomb or if they have a bomb or close to a bomb, takes all that pulse. So that's very different than, you know, some of the, some of the deals you heard in the future we are going to take as we go through these next couple hours. We are going to take our traditional commercial breaks now, if things happen and President Trump's arrive and all that will float the break. So we'll just, we'll just avoid him as real America's voice always does. Like I said, President Trump is on his way back to the White House. There's some controversy about how was this previously scheduled or was it not or, and definitely the National Security Council briefing. It looks like that'll be his top people, be the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State Pete Hegseth, Director of the CIA John Ratcliffe, others. There's some controversy about who actually gets in the room and who doesn't get in the room. They were, it's quite interesting. They actually put on the public schedule. It's going to be in the Oval Office. So at least the way it was published, it's not going to be down in what's called the Kennedy Room in the national security area, which is really on the first floor of the, of the White House. So it, they've been pretty public about stating they're going to have this briefing. And, and actually where it's going to be, one of the controversies is who's in the room. This whole controversy over the last couple days is Tulsi Gabbard, is the president getting alternatives? The big controversy about the CIA's intelligence we found out this morning from Marc Caputo that 80% of it dovetails with the Mossad's intelligence have been a big controversy. Is the President getting a broad range of of access to intelligence or is it all coming through essentially 80% through one source? Both the Mossad and the CIA seem to be in agreement. Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break here. I want to thank every real America's voice, Robin Parker, Sig, the entire team, Wendell and Denver, everybody had pulled this together. As you can imagine. Most people had weekend plans, but it looks like something if not underway, right. Maybe, maybe people rethought this. There's something definitely happening in that regards. I mean that the wheels are turning with various alternatives. I don't think that either Israel or the United States is just going to sit there and have these attacks and not really go after for now. Right. So I think we'll see some activity, like I said, unverified, but it is on Israeli media that the Israelis have look like they've made some I think there's a couple of security doors in Ford or there may be some aspect of either air and or commando. Like I said, totally unverified. We're gonna try to get more. We've got hopefully I think we got General Flynn, maybe Erik Prince, maybe Jack Bosobic maybe. I don't think we'll go for three there. So we'll have some really good talent here. Plus the great Matt Boyle will be with us all also. He's out and about in D.C. he will actually be in the War Room. Short commercial break by the way, maybe it's time to take your phone out. Birch Gold Big sponsors of R and War Room love them. Philip pattern team text ban and b a n n o n 989898 the ultimate guide, which is the ultimate guide and it's the ultimate free guide to investing in precious metals and gold in the age of Trump. Check it out today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Let's go to our own David Zier at the White House. David, what are you hearing there? We're waiting the President to land at Andrews and then take Marine One. What do you got for us?
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David Zier
Yeah, waiting for the President's arrival here. He'll go into the Oval Office for a closed national security meeting. We've got a large group of protesters gathered across the street from the White House here with Iranian flags, it looks like. So a lot going on and we're trying to follow reports on, you know, further strikes by Israel on Nuclear facilities inside Iran. A lot going on overnight. Taking out ballistic missile launchers, more UAVs. They attack the port of Bandar Abbas. A lot of activity going on. And yesterday, you know, Iran dropped a missile into Israel that wounded 45 people here. But there doesn't seem to be any give with Iran. They're saying they're going full on. Israel saying they're going full on. So there's no break in the action here.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And it continues, the New York Post reported today. David, what we're going to do is finish with David, letting you get back into position for the arrival of the president. Great shot right there, though, in our traditional on Pebble Beach. Real quickly, the New York Post reported, Bibi said, hey, and they report we're not going to wait forever for the Americans to make their mind up. Thank God. Right. And we're going to go and we can do this ourselves. Any sense of that? David Zier.
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David Zier
They are saying that and Danny Dannon said they're going to do whatever it takes to continue. The ambassador to the UN For Israel also here. But Russia chimed in and said that they would not support taking out the supreme leader of Iran, especially if the US Is involved. There would be consequences for that. And, you know, a lot of action going on here. And I just wanted to talk about regime change for one second. You know, I don't see a lot of revolutionaries in the street. I see a lot of pro government people, even though they shut down the Internet over there. So IRGC is entrenched in their oil business and everything over there. So I don't think Iran's going to back down. And are they just doing it to fight it out, to draw this thing out? Did they just entertain Europe yesterday to draw this thing out with no intentions of backing down? And now the Houthi rebels are threatening our commercial shipping and our US Warships again, you know, through Iran, through. So I want to, I want to try to ask Trump about that. If I get to in a few minutes.
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Stephen K. Bannon
You'Re going to be in the poll, so you get to toss a question. We'll see if you're as good. 0 this is your, this is your challenge to see if you're good as our own Brian Glenn. Right. Brian always gets a, gets a question in there. So make sure, make sure you ask the president about this. I know people in this town, I know there's people in this town, David, are right now working through the consequences if the Israelis either won't do it or can't do it and it Looks like there may be some potential activity potentially if the Americans have to get involved in a combat situation as a combatant more so than we are now. The blowback into the region, you know, we've got, we've got 50,000, I think, troops and sailors in the general area. That does not include what we have in the carrier battle groups. I know people are quite concerned about the Iranian potential to hit that because I think Iran has surprised people with their ballistic missile capability piercing the Iron Dome. And David Sling, sir?
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David Zier
Yeah, well, about a thousand ballistic missiles have been launched already. Israel is claiming to have taken out over half of their ballistic missile launchers. But the worry is will it spill over to the Gulf states and will they attack US Bases and US Interests over there and can they successfully hit them? I don't know if they want to go that route, but I guess then, you know, we're in it for sure. And we added our fifth destroyer. I know you were saying you served on a destroyer. Our five destroyers now helping Israel defend against missile attacks in the Mediterranean right now.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, you have five or six destroyers in the Arleigh Burke class. Also in the East Eastern Med. They're providing, you know, anti air assets and missiles and radar, fire control. Radar that doesn't even include, I think it's now with the Nimitz arriving, three battle groups in the North Arabian Sea, in the Red Sea. And then we have B2s that are heading to Guam. We have them heading to Diego Garcia. We have them on the other side, folks. You know, we got, it's plenty of assets. I think you're going to have plenty of ability to make a strike here, not even including the Israelis. So. And I think that gives President Trump a bigger range of options. But I know people are very concerned about, about the blowback and I think people are working through those scenarios. David, you got to bounce. I want to make sure you and our cameramen get back into position so that you're fully, you can ask your question right. As you become the new Glenn of our weekend. If we had to put it, if we have to put anybody, if we hadn't put anybody as a replacement, as a backup, we want David Zier there asking the question. So why don't you and Austin get positioned and, and we'll pick you up as soon as you're ready. This is where he's taking them from me before. So yeah, the, the assets are provided for us, by the way, in the White House, for the White House coverage and other coverage. Just been extraordinary. We want to thank everybody. You hear right there from just our mic, those are the protesters that are right out off of Pennsylvania Avenue right there in Lafayette Square where the, the statue of General Jackson is. And protesters and they're quite vocal today. They're protesting. I think they're, I don't think these are protesters about the war per se. I think there are obviously some aspects of Gaza, but you're seeing the red green merger and you know, it's interesting we're here doing a special on a Saturday afternoon. Want to thank everybody's pitching in to make this happen with a, with a skeleton crew. And just, you know, remember we're supposed to be spending time two weeks ago it was in Los Angeles focused on the mass deportations. I still argue that as important as is and higher priority it is to stop the nuclear program at whatever stage it is for the, for the Iranians, for us, you know, if you got a rank order, strategic concerns, the vital net and vital national security interests of this country lies with us making sure that the 10 million, 10 to 12 million illegal alien invaders that came here on Biden's, the illegitimate regime, Biden's watch have to be deported. That is the big fight is the fight in the courts. It's a challenge to President Trump as commander in chief, his powers as commander in chief to essentially repel the invasion. This is a central front of what we call the Third World War. You already have a dramatic kinetic part of that going on on the Eurasian landmass everywhere from Kursk and Ukraine all the way through this arc of instability in the Middle east and particularly in Gaza, going all the way down now to Iran to Persia, all the way to North Arabian Sea, the Persian Gulf. People should not be lost in the fact that folks are really very concerned about the Straits of Hormuz. In case anything happened now, the Iranians would be blocking the easiest way they can transport their oil to the Chinese Communist Party, which Remember is about 22% of the total energy of the CCP. The KGB, Russia and the CCP are allies of this regime. Particularly the CCP has done a long term output deal. They've actually done it as has been reported. It wasn't, it's not done in petrodollars. It was not done in US Dollars. This is where the Chinese Communist Party in Iran both as two prominent BRICS nations have, have set up to try to, to try to break the US Dollar. And we know from the New York Times reporting, the finance minister of and associate with the bank of China said the other day they're coming to, they're coming to Rio and they're coming with an alternative because they think, quote, unquote, the world is too. The world is too unstable depending upon just the American dollar as a prime reserve currency. They want to give an alternative. When we talk about the BRICS nations, you should think broadly of the Global south, kind of the anti, you know, Judeo Christian west or advanced industrial economies. And you throw in, you can throw in a couple of other nations in there too. And although we have some strong allies in the BRICS nations like India, you just saw what happened in the India Pakistan standoff in Kashmir. That's another hot zone right there. And of course, I think India has 100 nuclear weapons. Pakistan, which has never been that stable, and isi, their intelligence service is replete with radical jihadists. I think they have 181 nuclear weapons. People say all the time between North Korea and Pakistan. They're shocked that Iran doesn't already have a couple of three hot ones right now, given their relationship with those guys and given how advanced in nuclear technology those countries are. As a reset, we're getting David Zier and our cameraman who's part of the pool back over to cover the President arriving. He's going to be at Andrews, I think, in a moment, and then he's going to be taking a Marine One. The helicopter coming to the White House, supposed to land I believe at roughly 5:40. He's immediately going into the West Wing, I think through the south entrance, going to the West Wing. It's been publicly reported now on the schedule. He's going to have a national security briefing by his at least some version or some truncated version of his National Security Council, his primary advisors in this. And then that's all supposedly closed to the public. We're going to stay around for as much of that as we possibly can. Like I said, there are unverified reports, but enough to make some of the TV stations in Israel, that there's been potentially some kinetic activity by the Israelis, either IDF with the commandos or potentially even air assets around the nuclear processing facility of Fordor. The Israelis said many times a day, hey, we are not going to wait forever. The President of the United States thinks he's got an alternative, you know, go with God, do what you can do. But we're not going to wait for the two weeks we're going to go when we want to go. So far to date, they haven't really checked in with many people as they've gone. We're a big advocate of the Israelis finishing what they started. So we hope that it's true that they've gotten on with it. It's going to be a, it's going to be very difficult. We understand that a lot of lives are going to be at risk. This will be a very audacious and bold move. But the IDF and the Israelis have a history of bold and audacious military activity. They also don't, they don't telegraph their punches just like President Trump. President Trump doesn't do a long wind up as you saw with what Solomon and so many others, even the taking down of isis. As I say, President Trump pitches from the stretch done to a full windup. You get you when you're not not you're not watching short commercial break. You're hearing the war room in a special edition real America's Voice. The war room on a Saturday awaiting the commander in chief to return to the White House. Take out Fordo, for example, has it really damaged Iran's nuclear program as much as it says that it that it wants to?
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General Mike Flynn
Well, as that piece demonstrates, Prime Minister Netanyahu has been very alarmist for a long time about the Iranian nuclear program. And, and obviously in hindsight a lot of that alarm was exaggerated. But I think it is the case that the Iranian nuclear program has accelerated since President Trump's disastrous decision in 2018 to exit the Iranian nuclear accord. At that point, we know that the Iranian breakout time, the amount of time they would take to have enough fissile material for a bomb was over a year. Now, I think everybody agrees, including US Intelligence, it's down to a week or two. I think the question mark is how long would it take them to actually weaponize that material? And that's I think where you have a dispute between the Israelis who are saying they could weaponize very quickly and the US Intelligence community, which is saying would take a longer period of time. But I think you're onto a key point here, Abby, which is what happens if the Israelis do not or the US or somebody does not take out the fort outside. And the reality is the Iranian nuclear program will pretty much continue despite all the damage that the Iranians are are suffering this Israeli air campaign. So that's why but even, but keep in mind, even if Fordo is taken out, that doesn't mean that Iran will never be able to get a nuclear weapon because the know how probably a lot of the enriched uranium, all that stuff will remain still in Iranian hands. But clearly Fordow is is a very big deal. And I Think what, what, what President Trump has to calculate is, is it worth going after Fordow given the risk that. That the Iranians, who have so far been refraining from attacking US Bases or shipping in the region, given the risk that they will escalate? And so, you know, you see all these US Bases, which are very close to Iran and in fact, much closer than Israel. And so, you know, Israel is about 1,000 miles from Iran. These bases are much closer. So Iran has a lot more missiles that they can shoot at them. They have drones. They also have the capability to sow mines in the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. So there's a lot more damage they can probably do even in their weakened state. And so that's what I think President Trump has to balance here. Is it worth the risk of going after Fordo if it means getting the US Involved in the middle of these hostilities?
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Stephen K. Bannon
There's tons of conflicting reports coming out of Israel right now. A lot of those are being blown up as being false. Israeli media are putting some up as unverified. There's other people talking about a massive drone attack tonight. So there's a lot going on, as you can imagine, as the Israelis. I do think what is quite positive from the special relationship with Israel and with the United States is that clearly the message has gotten across that this is their fight. They started it. We have a special relationship. We clearly agree that. That Persia should not have a nuclear weapon. Cannot have a nuclear weapon. President Trump was trying diplomacy as he is wont to do. Right. Make sure it's peace to strength. You've got the strength to back it up. I think you've seen the assets no nation on earth could bring, the military assets that. That we have brought to the region. Now the question gets to be, is this just empire maintenance or is this national security? Right. I do think there is still a big question about the viability of the Iranians actually delivering a nuclear weapon on top of the United States. And you have to rank order the threats against the United States, where that really stands. That being said, we've made a decision. President Trump has basically made a decision. Ten years ago, he started saying that they can't have a nuclear weapon. Now he was in the middle of negotiating that. They had a meeting scheduled for, what, Sunday, a week ago, last Sunday with Steve Witkoff in Muscat, Oman, to continue the sixth or maybe the seventh round of negotiations. And it was not going as quickly as President Trump liked. I think he believed he might be getting tapped along by the Ayatollahs particularly some of the public comments they were making. That being said, the Israelis on their attack Thursday night and on Friday did kill all the negotiators. President Trump was pretty open about it on, on Friday when he was talking, says, hey, we had a meeting scheduled, but I think everybody is dead. Now. It turns out a couple of those guys may not be, but the Persians being very, very, very bureaucratic, right? Very bureaucratic, has been. And ayatollah seems to be in hiding and not exactly readily available because I think probably his belief, his thought process are anybody else that was readily available has been killed. So maybe I'll make myself not so available. Be that as it may, it's been very tough. It's been reported Wyckoff really can't find anybody to negotiate with. Either they don't have a mandate, they've been killed, or the Ayatollah will not, will not empower them. President Trump, I can tell you he is the two weeks is to see if there's a diplomatic in a way to do this without getting kinetic. But, you know, President Trump's not a guy that's going to wait around forever. So you get back to the kinetic part of it. President Trump has already gone out of his way to say we're not doing regime change. He did not authorize when the Israelis did come to him. And I say it's an upsell from the very beginning to let's go to regime change. Said he didn't want. He wouldn't sign off on the ayatollah being killed. Although the Ayatollah is one of those guys that, as I said in Outlaw Josey Wales deserves killing. Right. He said he wouldn't do it, I think because of the chaos that might, that might entail. Remember, the United States did not execute Hirohito the Emperor Japan. We did not bomb the Imperial Palace. We went out of our way to make sure that there was no damage, bomb damage there for a host of cultural, societal and religious reasons. I think here, although the mullahs have been insane, I think President Trump is taking a prudent thing to say, hey, look, we don't want to break this thing and then end up owning it. Our mission is to, if we so choose, is to make sure that we can finish what the Israelis maybe not be able to. And that is to take down all of their 100% capacity to actually make a nuclear weapon. Now, the Israelis, I think Bibi Netanyahu came out today in the New York Post and said they can actually finish it, there's a report in agency, agency France Press, afp. One of the, it's like the Reuters of, of of Europe that said there's IDF individuals that are at a high level that are saying they've already, they've already crushed the, and hit the Urania. The Iranian bomb making capability, weaponization capability, enrichment capability that they said push it back two or three years already. So then that calls for, hey, what does Four Door actually bring you? Now obviously this facility is so complex and it is the heart of their operation. And I believe, I think you've seen a sea change, right? The way I see it and seeing people interacting is that the Israelis instead of kind of very much from the beginning, oh, the Americans are going to give the coup de grace. The Americans are going to be here because of, I think President Trump's prudent nature when it comes to military engagement. Remember the Soleiman and other things are thought through for a long period of time and then kind of come out of nowhere to hit the target. This is why I say he does not telegraph, traditionally does not telegraph or does not do a long wind up before he delivers the pitch. He kind of pitches from the stretch and you really don't see it right until it's actually the cruise missile or whatever the kinetic activity is right upon you. That's when you become aware of it. He has a little bit kind of walk through now. He hasn't talked to specifics. There's been all types of plans thrown out there and a lot of loose talk about how easy this is, how it's done. It's enormously complex. It's very dangerous obviously to the people that are going to be on the business end of it, the receiving end of it, but also for our pilots and anybody else involved, these are complex military evolutions that, you know, you've, you've had a chance to do rehearsals of these and exercises, but clearly you haven't actually gone and had a chance to do it near the, near the location that this will actually be pulled off. And this is one of the problems in the hostage rescue that I was involved in as a junior naval officer, at least in the workup and the rehearsals for it. You're off the coast. We were, I think, relatively close to to where the carrier battle groups are today. We were on a place, navigational settings of called Gonzo Station and Camel Station too, where we had two battle groups that was off the coast you really couldn't get inland to actually do. Now I'm sure they had some commando Helicopters and others go and do terrain checking as the military often does. People go in to check. But that's different than sending a bunch of pilots there in the middle of the night into a foreign terrain thousands of miles away. And so the workups for that, which were months and months and months, I think all the way from the time first people started arriving in late November, early December, all the way until the spring of when the assault was given. But even with all that practice and rehearsal, things went awry and they went awry relatively quickly at really the rally point where everybody was going to get all the helicopters, were going to get together, refuel and then do the final assault launch into Tehran. Here, obviously you haven't had the opportunity to do overflights consistently. There might have been a couple. We haven't been able to do overflights over Tehran. One thing that's quite positive here is that the Israelis have, I'm not so sure, air superiority. I think they have air supremacy. It looks like they've been able to knock out most of the anti aircraft around Tehran. At least what we're hearing and what we're seeing in reporting that's coming back. In that regard. In that regard, this should make it at least marginally easier. Although I realize this has stealth, it's at an altitude, but those are one of those things you want to make sure are taken care of. Like I said, unconfirmed, unverified reporting in, online, in Israeli media. There may be actually some kinetic activity. And I think you see the reception of this. I think the Israelis are excited about this. I think they're excited about actually taking this and getting it done themselves. You know, the IDF and others have these mottos that we essentially don't need your help. We're going to do it alone. And that's one of the reasons they're one of the greatest fighting forces in the world. If you think about it, you go back to the 7th of October and we remember the 7th of October, folks, those who are here, we did it live on the show. Pasopic. I got pasopic on here. We actually went live that day. If you think about since then, particularly with Hezbollah, I think Hezbollah, the proxy of the, of the, of the Persians proxy, Hezbollah, which had such an amazing reputation, quite frankly, an earned reputation because they had been a role, you know, on a roll that in Syria with Hezbollah, really in Gaza with the Muslim Brotherhood, in Hamas, they've delivered some death blows to, to these organizations and either terrorist organizations or really paramilitary groups that have been incredibly tough to defeat. In the, in the future. I think that is one of the reasons, not just simply Bibi's political situation with all the, the madness that entails oftentimes Israeli domestic politics, you know, it is a, that is politics the hard way. They're very, very contentious all the time that it was a time to strike. They had an opportunity and maybe they could box Trump in or maybe they get a commitment at Trump right now. And I think a lot of that is coming from the pushback of the Tucker Carlson's and the, and the Jack Posovics and the Charlie Kirks and the Benny Johnson's and many War Room and many others say, hey, look, you know, even for those of us that are big supporters of Israel, this is something, you started it, you got to finish this. I think that's been positive. For those in the audience, Mark Levin has something up on Twitter tonight. I think let's just speak for himself. It's so revolting and disgusting, particularly somebody who's never served his country and is not a veteran. His use of language is so inappropriate for someone who's too gutless to serve his nation. Right. What he does in trying to smear people about their patriotism and their love of country and their commitment to this nation. Like I said, I think he, and I think many people at Fox and the whole network in the Murdoch should be put under investigation as under far investigations as basically agents for a foreign government. I think it's quite clear that he's not pitching this in the interests of the United States of America or American citizens and particularly those in harm's way. Right. Since he's never been in harm's way and I don't think any of his children have been in harm's way. Right. It's not a super, it's not a very patriot. His love of country and patriotism is just as solid as his being maga, which, you know, he was one of the most vicious voices of President Trump when we ran in 16 and then in 21, he's one of the first people to bail with all the people at Fox taking paychecks from Rupert Murdoch who bailed to go to decimp and Nikki Haley and that whole crew of neoliberal neocons. President Trump is quite different. And President Trump is returning the White House, going to get a briefing by his National Security Council on the situation and we'll see how this develops tonight. Special edition of the War Room. Back in a moment. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. Okay, like I saying, we're Trying to get people. People are out doing their things on Saturday, but many are coming back and we're going to have them up as we plow through this. We have a footage now of the president at Andrus Air Force Base and getting on Marine One. Is that case? Can we go and play that right there? Playing right there. As you can tell, I don't have my glass on the hammer. There's the president United States coming down the, coming down the forward hatch of, of Air Force One there. He's, he's great. He's got some of his military escorts there because a sharp salute to President Trump. I love those salutes he was given at the parade that day. I don't want to say his salutes were the best of all, but Pete Heg says I might check into a couple, three of those other salutes I saw around there. They were not too shabby. President Trump was given a very sharp snapshot this President Trump going with one of his military aids. He's going to Marine One. It's just a, I don't know, seven or eight minutes. I think it's eight minutes, nine minutes. I, I might be off in that, but I thought it was seven or eight minutes from, from Andrews to thing it's under 10 depending on who's flying right to, to the White House South Lawn. Our own David Zier is there. Also one of our crack cameramen. I think we're in the pool date. We may be the pool camera. And so there you see President Trump very graciously, if you're able to watch this home, very graciously shaking the hand and thanking the reception by the military commander there he is in Marine One is going to be taken off momentarily heading to the White House. There is scheduled in the Oval Office a national security briefing. There's a lot going on. My sources in Israel are talking, telling me they expect a long and bad night. They think there's going to be additional hits by the Iranians. A lot of these is, like I said, the Iron Dome. The Iron Dome and Davis Lane, which had done so well. It is, you know, mathematical probability. And the Iranians have been hitting them with a number of ballistic missiles and other missiles. One of the reasons that, you know, B.B. netanyahu gave, in fact, the second, first reason was the nuclear weapons program. The second was that, hey, there are so much more advanced and ballistic missiles and building at such a rate that we're not going to be able to withstand a constant onslaught. So the ballistic missiles became a thing. And you can see that, that is obviously an issue because I think a lot more of these have gotten through than people anticipated. And it's done some real damage. Israeli civilians are particularly folks in Haifa and Tel Aviv are really under assault. If you see some of this footage, particularly some that's not making it to the American media, it's very, very, very brutal. Dave Brat, you are have joined us. Thank you for changing your plans around Dave Brat, Your your thoughts as President Trump, the commander in chief, heads to the White House in a national security briefing, Sir? Yeah.
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Matt Gaetz
Well, the events of the last week, to me as a former congressman and as an American citizen, are very frustrating. We live in a representative government, representative republic, where the representatives are supposed to listen to the people, but when the people are not informed about anything that's going on and when we're not given intelligence, and I'm going to get into that word in a minute, this intelligence, intelligence is not that intelligent. Right. So a week ago, Bibi Netanyahu, I'm all pro Israel. I want them to get rid of the evildoers in Iran. That's all great. But then things pivoted to regime change and Ed Beebe went on the TV and said, hey, we're doing Israel first. America, you do America first. I was like, okay, that sounds good to me. But then the regime change started pivoting to the United States of America are going to be in on regime change. President Trump has made clear he wants a negotiating posture of some sort. Right. That's key. So where does the president of the United States, the leader of the free world, fit in to Bibi's plan here? And then things get really complicated with the bunker buster bomb, right? So then we're asked for help on that or I don't know how that took place. But then that became the issue of the day. And of course, that's to make sure the United States gets on board with the program today. Bibi says, okay, we, we can handle that part. And Eric Prince was brilliant on that point. Right. Fifteen years ago. And I can build one of these things in my backyard. I'm exaggerating, right? But that, that is not the complicating factor that that puts us in the war. Israel can handle that for 15 years and they can't. They want us in the middle of this again. And then Bibi comes out again and says, don't worry, we've got it. But now it's real problematic because where they've got it and they're being bombed and they're bombing and so There is a war going on. And where does President Trump's initiative fit in here for a dialogue to bring peace? And maybe like Posovic has been saying, a grand, you know, triangulation with Russia, Ukraine, Iran, all of it bringing about peace. And boy, I want that outcome. But it looks like Bibi has foreclosed that. There's no way Iran is going to agree to. You know, I don't like the word cease fire, but some window of opportunity where President Trump sends our representatives when Israel is in the middle of Bominal. If it's one on one Israel to Iran, you know, the mullahs are never going to save face in that case. Right. So the key to peace is President Trump does have to be in the middle of this. He's got to broker the deal. There's. That's our only prayer for peace. And the CIA guys and the Congress guys, I would like them to go over to Al Assad Air base right across the water where the biggest troops, American troops are and be forward deployed, right? When you're making your decisions on this intelligence and you say, hey, this is just a little strike, this is just a little targeted myopic thing, it's not a war, good, well, put your money where your mouth is and go make that decision on the base with the young boys and girls who are going to die. If we get this thing wrong, then we'll know, Right. If you go over there and make your forward deployed decisions, then I'll know. Okay, you got the situation in hand. Without that, I don't buy it. This idea of intelligence. Right. That word needs to be carefully monitored. I'm not getting any intelligence about what's the polling and the intelligence. If we lose 200 young boys in our troops over there, what do the American people think about that? Right? Where do the American people get to weigh in? They weighed in to elect President Trump.
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Stephen K. Bannon
This happens in every war. This happens in every war. When the poll every time a couple weeks into it. There's a couple of weeks into it when, when, when the reality of it anyway, looks like there's a lot of activity, also a lot of activity. They've been hitting. The rain has been hitting hard near the, the Israeli nuclear facility down at Dimona. We'll get into that next. President Trump heading to the White House. Your war room special crew is here. You got brat, you got Bannon balls in route. We're going to get Poso, hopefully General Flynn, hopefully, maybe even Eric Prince, a whole cast of characters here in the war room on A Saturday night. Back in a moment. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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Matt Gaetz
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Matt Gaetz
War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, welcome back. It is a Saturday, the 21st of June, year of our Lord 2025. I believe it's already the 22nd of June in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Some folks there are telling me they think it could be a long night as Israel and Iran continue to slug this out. Israel clearly, with the surprise attack and then their kind of momentum at the beginning. But then the Iranians have hit back, I think has surprised actually some, if not officials, definitely some civilians about the hard hit that the Iranians have given with their ballistic missile and other programs. Dave Brat, you know the Israelis very well. You think that some of them are quite surprised by how much fight the Iranians have had in them, particularly with some of these weapons that can actually reach places like Haifa and Tel Aviv and do such damage to civilian, civilian populations.
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Matt Gaetz
Yeah. I think we're all surprised. We're all learning the Iron Dome is built for, you know, small, smaller scale missiles, etc. It's not built for an ongoing long war. Right. And so they've been very protected. You know, they have the smartest people in the world, the best intelligence in the world, likely. And so, yes, and the people now they're living underground in Haifa and up north and they're saying we can't do this forever. We can't live this way forever. Right. I mean, it's just the necessities of life. And so we're starting to see the fog of war already. And so, you know, Bibi needs to list his objectives very clearly. What is his end state very clearly. And what is the role? I mean, why is he leading? President Trump is the lead. He is the president. He's the CEO of this country. And he needs to take over the process here because Israel is putting us in a bad spot. Right. It's this latest turn that's real problematic as well. Bibi just says, you know, today in the New York Post or somewhere, I can't remember where I saw it, but he says I got it now at the last minute. So these are major pivots in the last week and our intelligence agencies aren't equipped to process that and make all the secretaries. Can you imagine the scrambling going underneath the presidency and every sentence coming out of Israel matters for them, of course. And we want what's best for them. And I think they're doing themselves some long run damage. We haven't even mentioned the rest of the world. Where's the intelligence on that? From our CIA. Right. Where's Pakistan? They have nukes. They weighed in and they said no. Russia was kind of on the side. Now they weighed in, they're saying no. And there's more and more and more. And Turkey is a major power.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, when you say Iran has 90 million people, Turkey's got a huge Russia. Russia and Pakistan have come in on the side at least softly of supporting Iran. I mean the Chinese economy party. More than that. I mean that alliance. Let me breaking for the New York Times and let me just read this. Several US Air Force B2 bombers appeared to have taken off from a base in the United States and were headed across the Pacific as President Trump was scheduled to meet at the White House with his national security team on Saturday evening to discuss joining Israel's attacks on Iranian nuclear sites. The Trump administration has not told the Israeli military whether the United States plans to join the war on Iran, Two Israeli defense officials said on Saturday. Okay, so the Trump administration has not told them they're prepared to come into the war, according to Israeli defense authorities. But the two officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss security matters, said that after conversations with their American counterparts over the last two days, they believed Washington was likely to enter the war in the coming days and was already making preparations to do so. Dave, brat your thoughts on that? We're not there. We're clearly looking at alternatives, putting assets so they can be used. And as you know, once assets are there to be used, oftentimes people feel a little more itchy. Trigger finger, trigger finger to do them. But that New York Times report that says do we have is the pool camera out on the South Lawn yet? We're trying to get it. My very frustrated producer is giving me stink eye and says go back and focus on Brad. He'll take care of the pictures. So Brad, Yeah. Yes, Brad, you see right There where President Trump hasn't made a decision. They're leaning, I think in that direction. He has said that he has a military option that he's quite. Can we go to that right now? There's the presidentized states coming in on the South Lawn. That's not the, that's not the president states. Okay, there we go. We're going to land it right there. Let's bring it down. For those of you watching at home on the live stream, Isn't, isn't, isn't it magnificent? The President's going to come pass, I think a pool of reporters, our own David Zier. There we go. Look at that audio. No questions. Okay? No nothing. It's pretty serious. Look at that perfect landing right there. Boy, that's magnificent. What a beautiful day. Hot day, Hot all throughout the United States. Brett, right there you're seeing the President, United States Marine 1. He will exit here momentarily. He will go into the. Well, you know, maybe we gotta check it out. Maybe he goes into the, maybe he goes directly to the Oval Office. You can go to the Oval Office and President Trump does that on occasions. Or you can walk right off Marine One and go right to the, and go right into the south under the South Portico of the White House. And you go there, down there near the, there are various beautiful rooms down there. Take a left and go through the portico past the Rose Garden and into the, into the West Wing and into the Oval Office. That way we'll have to see. So the President is back. That was a quick trip. Less than 24 hours to Bedminster. I don't believe he took any questions at, at Dave. I don't think he took any questions at Morristown. Just got on the plane and let's, let's go and we'll see right now if he takes any questions from the, from the, from the reporters on. David Zier is down there and others as the pool back. National Security Council has reported the Director of Central Intelligence is John Ratcliffe from Texas. You got Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, former U.S. senator. You also have Pete Hexith or Pete Hexith is, is their Secretary of Defense. There'll be a couple of three others. President Trump does not have these huge briefings during the first term. He was all, every now and again he would go down to the Situation Room and there'd be many, many more people. Deputies, principal deputies, all that. President Trump is not into that. He's not into having a ton of people sit in these meetings. And so this is one of the reasons he downsized. He downsized. The National Security Council a couple weeks ago, thought it was unnecessary to have some of these people, particularly these people that. Dave, Brad, as you know, are seconded from the apparatus, or what we refer to as the deep state. I want to give real America's voice a heads up. We might want to blow a break here. If the President goes in and we follow it all the way to the. Follow it all the way into the Oval Office. There's Marine One on a hot, sunny afternoon in June. And you would think it would just be another day at the beach, but it's not. President Trump's coming back here. Of course, as the New York Times is reporting, they're weighing and measuring the most important thing a president can do. Daybreak, that is Commander in chief, is actually the. The decisions to put American combat troops, airmen, sailors and. And soldiers in harm's way for the vital national security of the United States. Yes.
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Matt Gaetz
Yes.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Nope, that's not the President. I don't have my glasses on. I have one. I can't see. My screen here, folks, is microscopic compared to yours. The gonzo nature of the actual war room is not, you know, this is not a. As Dave. Brett knows, you got to really squint to see that. To see this. My charts.
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Matt Gaetz
The charts are hard to read.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Charts are very. You got to know the charts. Hang on. Can we actually have. And we're a little staffed here. Can we take a short. Can we take a short break and let. Yeah, no, no, no. Can we take a short. You take a short break and let Matt Boyle in. Hang on. Yeah, just hang. There we go. We got a cameraman. We got the president. There's President Trump. President Trump right there is looking at his flagpole and the new flag. When you're there, there's waving to the. He's pointing, right? He's very proud of that flag. You see that magnificent, huge flag and think we've always just had a very small flag on the top of. Top of it. You.
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Matt Gaetz
You actually, I was in the other day when he was in. I was sitting in for you when he was installing it, and he was smiling from ear to ear.
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Stephen K. Bannon
He loved it, didn't he? Yeah, he absolutely loved it. It was just. It was just absolutely extraordinary. You, you, you asked the qu. You know, you asked. When you're there or you see it, why did no one think of that before? Why was it. I mean, this is another genius move of Trump. You know, you don't have a. You don't have a. You don't have a flag. Now you've got a big, beautiful flag. Magnificent. And President Trump just absolutely, absolutely loves it. He's there exactly, I don't know, 15 or 20 minutes late from what they thought. He is now going to go gather his, gather his folks and he'll be in the Oval Office, which is, he went in actually under the South Port. He did not go directly to the Oval Office. He went to the South Portico. That's why he went right back, right by the flag. What did you think about the. By the way, we can go ahead and take the break. We don't need to blow it. We're directing and producing as we go here. Brad, your thoughts on him coming back, returning on a Saturday. You just heard the New York Times saying these decisions haven't been made, but Israeli officials, defense officials, believe that the United States is coming closer to a decision to join as an offensive combatant in this. Your thoughts, sir?
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Matt Gaetz
Well, you put your finger on it when you close the sentence of the New York Times. The language is very loose for our national security interests. Oh, really? Could someone please define what that is? I mean, we're all dying to hear that. Sam Faddis the other day had an incredible argument about Fordo and all that. The Fizz op material is already, that's a done deal. Either they got it or they don't got it. Right. And it's. If we're scared of an immediate urgency this week, intelligence of nukes, the Fizz on material is not even play. So Fordo's not in. So then the logic is inescapable. They want us in for one reason. They want the United States of America in the game for what? And that's. I have not heard a reasoned answer to our national security interests. I feel like President Trump is having his legs cut out from what he is trying to achieve with negotiated talks. If those fail, then, then it's another game. Okay. Then it's, you know, game on, as you're saying.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Right.
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Matt Gaetz
That's the thesis.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I've got the, I've got a, a great, this is a great thing about having the word room right in back of the Capitol in Supreme Court. We've got. Can we. Yeah, momentarily. By the way, you're gonna, if you, if I can get your earpiece in, if you at least listen, you can hear the great Johnny Khan. We go out with Johnny Khan. We go out with American heart. And in the A block, we always go out with the great. Matt Boyle joins us. Matt Boyle, you're in D.C. thank God, you're here this weekend. You were doing we're going to hook you up officially. You don't have to get. No, no, no. We're gonna put it in back to your collar. We got just you can take it out.
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Matt Boyle
Okay.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I just wanted to tell Johnny that we're negotiating with his agent right now the copyright for this. The great Matt Boyle joins us. We're going to leave you with American Heart when we return. We have Dave Bratz with us. Matt, Bo Bowles just joined us. Matt Boyle, the national political editor for Breitbart News with a lot of to say about what's currently going on. And then hopefully we're going to have General Flynn maybe, maybe General Flynn, maybe Erik Prince, maybe Jack Bosovic. All the military national security types are out and about as they are often want to do on a Saturday. We're trying to track them all down. The President United States is back at the White House. He is heading towards the Oval Office. He's about to have a briefing by his National Security Council. Central Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, of course, the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, who's both secretary of state and national security advisor and a couple of three others will be quite interesting. Who is there? Matt Bowle, Tulsi Gabbard maybe, hopefully the Secretary of Treasury, Scott Besant, maybe throw in there the economic impact of all this. Short commercial break. We're here at a special on a Saturday evening in June as the nation's on the precipice of war or peace. Back in a moment. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. You know, I don't want to jump jump ahead, but I kind of think Monday, if the rest of the weekend goes as it's going, I kind of think Monday may be a little turbulent in world capital and financial markets. You know, we try to be the still point in the turning world. One of the reasons we do that is our partners at Birch Gold want to make sure you get all aspects of it's not about the price of gold, it's the process of how it got there. Why has gold been a hedgehog for 5,000 years of man's history? Go to birchgold.com Bannon the End of the Dollar Empire 4 years, 7 free installments the 7th south the Rio Reset talks about the Brics nations and as you know, the Iranians, the Persians, the Chinese. Everybody's trying to get everybody riled up. Chinese Foreign the head of the bank of China and their senior finance minister came out the other day said they're going to present in Rio an alternative to the good old US Dollar because. Because they said the world is too unstable now because we're depending upon one currency. So make sure you learn and find out all about. Talk to Philip Patrick and the team. Matt Bowle, the great Matt Bowell joins us. Matt, you've been out and about. Let me go to David Zier at the White House. David, you were right there. The president did came in through the South Portico. He gave a hat tip to his favorite, the new flag pole. He loves that big, beautiful flag. I mean, that's the first thing he wants to show you when you're there. David, get us up to speed on what's happening, including some breaking news, still a little bit unverified, but being reported on some of the TV stations in Israel about some kinetic activity. What do you got, sir?
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David Zier
Yeah, it seemed like Trump was running behind on his way to the Oval Office. Did not step stop for questioning, but did tip his hat to the American flag and his beautiful new flagpole here. But Axios was reporting about an hour ago that there was a potential meeting between Erdogan, Trump and Trump and Erdogan are both coordinating, coordinating a meeting with the supreme Leader Khamenei of Iran, but that the supreme leader went dark on them and couldn't do it. There's also a report from the Israeli government that there was a terrorist plot broken up in Cyprus. I don't have any further details. And there's chatter on like the Israel war room site that Israeli fighter jets were opening the paths for potential B2 routes into Fordo, but I cannot verify that Ford you There's a lot going on and two more IRGC commanders were taken out and one of them was taken out. He was the supply guy to all the Middle east proxies in Yemen. And like Mark Caputo pointed out, you know, Trump may Iran may have tipped their hand too far here because, you know, they had a lot of power with Hamas and Hezbollah and in Syria and in Yemen, and now they've lost all that. So maybe they got nothing to lose now. Now by prolonging this war. I'll be following things as close as I can and I'll give you some more info.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, folks I know in Israel have been telling me that they expect a long, difficult night there again in that the nuclear facility and research facility at Dimona, that Beersheba has been hit constantly all week and they expect more barrages tonight. David, hang on, Brett, hang around. Matt, you've Covered this a lot. Are you surprised by the amount of. Of tonnage of ballistic missiles that have gotten through the Iron Dome and actually hit Israeli civilians? I mean, Israeli civilians are frontline combatants in this thing, are they not?
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Matt Boyle
It's definitely very, I think, rocked Israel a little more than they expected. And so, I mean, the narrative, if you will, from the Israeli government has been that the Iron Dome was impenetrable, and that's not been the case. And I think that they know that there are serious costs to doing what they're doing here. That doesn't mean it's wrong. Right. Like that doesn't mean that what they're doing is wrong. And in fact, I know a ton of American leaders that are rooting for the Israelis in a big way right now. I spoke to the Senate Majority leader, John Thune, this morning.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, we're rooting for the Israelis. We want to get them. Get, get. You got to go through hell. Go through as quickly as possible.
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Matt Boyle
Exactly. But I mean, and by the way, the Israelis have been through hell. Like, I mean, they've been through a lot of hell the last several years, I mean, dating back to October 7th, you know. Yeah. And since then. And frankly. But I do think that they're a little bit caught off guard about how aggressive these Iranian responses have been and.
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Stephen K. Bannon
How tough it's going to be. David, what is your. Do we have that. Is that shot right for Matt with the. Should the microphone be down a little over. I'm going to start direct. I'm going to start directing again. There we go. David Zir, I know you have tons of contacts in Israel. What are the thoughts of, you know, from people there, particularly civilians?
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David Zier
I have clients from Israel. They're very worried. They're digging in. And I think it was the foreign minister in Israel who said, this is going to be a protracted war. This is going to be long and drawn out. It's not going to end overnight. I think everybody's concerned, especially, you know, maybe with another thousand ballistic missiles in play. All the Iranians have to do is get lucky once. Right. And there could be a mass California casualty event. I think everybody's on edge.
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Stephen K. Bannon
By the way, a report of an attack on a missile depot down in Bandar Abbas, which you know is near the oil fields down there.
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David Zier
Yeah.
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Stephen K. Bannon
All you got to do is knock out the oil field. All you gotta do is knock out the oil fields or sink a couple of these cargo ships in the streets of Hormuz, and next thing you know, you're gonna have A world economic problem here, sir?
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Matt Boyle
Well, one of the things I would say getting back to what are your other correspondent here was just talking about, about the Republican Axios, about Erdogan and about the issue in Cyprus. First off, Erdogan is extremely tied up with the Chinese Communist Party and there have been reports all over the last week and a half that the CCP has been sending planes into Iran. I'll tell you, the entity that is loving this, the fact that America is distracted in Israel is the Chinese Communist Party. And it's worth noting I have not independently confirmed the report of Cyprus, what happened there of apparent attack from on Israeli citizens in Cyprus. But I have spoken to the president of Cyprus in the past not that long ago and also the prime minister of Greece. Greece and Cyprus very close and Cyprus is right down the middle of Greece and Turkey. Right. And so I think there's just something.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I think both of those would argue actually Cyprus is theirs. Right?
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Matt Boyle
Right. The Greeks would certainly and the Cypriots would argue that they should be fully but the point is that there's something going on here with the Turks and the Chinese. And I think that President Trump needs to be very careful who he trusts in these moments.
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Stephen K. Bannon
They're trying to reach out to Erdo I 100% agree.
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Matt Boyle
I don't think he can trust Erdogan.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I have David, Brad and Dave jump in here with Boyle and I. I have argued now for a while that as lethal as the threat is from Persia, that Israel's too big I think right now are the axis between Turkey and Qatar. Right. Because Turkey Erdogan wants to re establish the Ottoman caliphate. That's what he wants to do before he dies. And the key to the Ottoman caliphate is to control the two holy sites which they had before Lawrence of Arabia in the Arab revolt, In World War I, in the British army taking Damascus when that whole Jerusalem and Damascus, he is adamant about reassuring that and Qatar would be at the top of the top of the chain as someone to help them because they would love to make sure that the Saudis did not have control of the two holy sites of Mecca and Medina. Now you're playing with fire, right. This whole region, this is what's so all this loose talk. You see some of the other networks about you know, we're going to do this it's just one swoop away. This is a powder keg. This is a tinderbox. You light the match on this thing, you have a great and as Thayer, Dr. Thayer who Maitre Gieb. He says now we're not in the global war in tyranny with. This is a great power struggle. You have the Chinese Communist Party, you have the Russians, you have the Americans of the Judeo Christian west with Western Europe. Right. And you're sitting here in the Middle east. And this thing could go up. And once it goes up, the law of unintended consequences is because of vengeance. And I want to get back in wars of attrition. It's what's happened in Ukraine and Russia. You can't get it. President Trump's having a tough time getting to the table because you have a million dead and one on either side. So the whole thing of vindictiveness and vengeance and, you know, not just territory. I want to get you back for killing my family or torturing my son. This is the type of thing that can spin quickly out of control.
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Matt Boyle
Matt Boyle, I agree. And I think that the geopolitical consequences here, I think that if you're talking about a new axis rising, it is abundantly clear that Beijing is pulling, pulling the strings. Xi Jinping. So Trump shouldn't even waste his time calling Erdogan. Erdogan is Xi's lap dog. He needs to be called Jinping every day.
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Stephen K. Bannon
President Trump is obviously thinks very highly of Erdogan. I think.
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Matt Boyle
I think he does more highly than.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Matt Boyle and Steve Bannon.
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Matt Boyle
Right. And by the way, similar type of a situation with Putin in Russia. But, and this is one of the things, if you go back and look, there's an interview I did with Secretary Rubio shortly after his confirmation when the peace talks were just beginning.
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is before Ukrainian peace talks.
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Matt Boyle
Yes. This is before even Zelensky came to the Oval Office with that whole blow up of a meeting which did not end well. That'll go down in history as the worst Oval Office meeting of a foreign leader ever. I don't think anyone is that stupid to date.
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Stephen K. Bannon
There may be. We have no idea in front of us today. Right.
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Matt Boyle
Like so. The. By the way, after that, I think we saw, what was it. Keir Starmer came with an invitation from the keg that he pulled out of his pocket. Class act. Right. Like so. And I think Mers from Germany came over with like a little side that he gave him. Framed.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And in a suit.
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Matt Boyle
Yeah. And in a suit. Right. Like so. But the. But the thing is that if you go back and look at that interview I did with Rubio way back in, it was early February, early to mid February. I asked him if what Trump is trying to do here with Russia in Ukraine is almost a reverse situation of what Nixon did. Remember, Nixon went to China to get them off of Russia. At the time, the Soviet Union was the power. Now the CCP is the power. So is this a reverse Nixon goes to China, Trump goes to Moscow.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Now that these things have come up, are we. Not so far. Look, 90 days ago, we would talk every day on the show about a Russian rapprochement, that. A rapprochement with Russia. Russia. Both Ukraine and the Persian situation got solved because they're part of that now. We're so far removed for that. We're here on a Saturday night. The president United States is in the Oval, which you've been many times. Zir is going to report who's not at Bedminster, not at best minister, where.
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Matt Boyle
He liked to be.
- [74:24]
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, he always loves doing the cookout for the people. I mean, he's a, you know, he's a, he's a guy that not just entertains. It makes you feel so welcome.
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Matt Boyle
It's like Rocky Balboa in his restaurant.
- [74:34]
Stephen K. Bannon
Exactly. He wants, he wants. Now he's at the last place on earth Donald Trump wants to be on a Saturday evening in the summer, is in the Oval Office having a national security briefing on war and peace, on are we going to commit combat troops? And that some of these young men and women may not come back from this, that this is at a vital national security level. He's doing this because obviously he's President of the United States. He's a dedicated patriot. But this shows you the intensity of this moment. And I've said of coming down the escalator ten years ago on last Sunday, with all the victories and defeats we've had, all the good times and bad times, the tragedies and triumphs, all of it. This audience, everybody, particularly the folks that stuck all together and in 21, said, hey, it's not Desantis, it's not Nikki Haley. It's him. That's just a preamble for the next 200 days. This is where the legacy, because you're.
- [75:27]
Matt Boyle
Facing awards, it's a legacy defined moments like this is a legacy defining moment.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Take a short commercial break. Matt Bull is in the House. David Ziers at the White House, Dave Bratz riding shotgun, maybe a couple, three others. Short break. Back in a moment. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. I'm gonna go back to David's ear for an update. By the way, the audience, some of the audience is asking, is Dave Brat wearing pink tonight? Dave, I know it's a weekend but don't go crazy on me, okay?
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Matt Gaetz
It's light up there. I got on some tan Brad Pitt shirt.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Salmon. Salmon. It's salmon. I'm sorry. It's a salmon. Salmon color.
- [76:05]
Matt Boyle
Salmon's completely defensible.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Salmon's totally defensible. Also, Mad Boyle, we're hearing already from some of our international correspondents in Turkey. We're going to make you. We're going to make it a Mad Bull edition of my free Constantinople shirt. That should sell millions.
- [76:21]
Matt Boyle
Oh, yeah, no, by the way. And we'll take it. As soon as Kimberly Guilfoyle is confirmed as US Ambassador to Greece. We'll take it to Greece. We'll sell him there. We'll sell 10 million.
- [76:29]
Stephen K. Bannon
Unbelievable. David Zier, can you tell us anything about what's going on in the Oval Office? Have you seen anybody coming and going? Do we have any sense of how one of the controversies Matt and Dave Brat has been who exactly sitting in these meetings now? Right. Is Tulsi Gabbard in there? Is Joe Kenner chief of staff in there? Is he getting a broader range? I think JD Is on his way back. Is JD on his way back from Los Angeles? Have we confirmed that?
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Matt Boyle
Not spoken to the vice president staff about that?
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay. J.D. was in L. A doing, by the way, which is the most important battle in this front, which is repelling the 10 million illegal alien invaders and telling the Neo Confederate Governor Newsom that we don't care how you sue us in court, it's not working. We're going to. We're going to ship out of here.
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Matt Boyle
So great. If everybody was focused on that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Right. It would be fantastic. Right? This is what so zir give us up the date. What's happening at the White House?
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David Zier
Sir, there's a pretty tight lid on everything. There's no word. There were very few staffers outside with us and inside when we were going to wait for the helicopter Marine One to arrive here. But Steve, if I could just add, I would agree. Don't trust Erdogan. And he's been trying to, like, unite the Arabic world, right? South Saudi Arabia and Bali and Salafi. 1% of the world's Muslims are Salafi. Qatar, big Salafi state. Right. Cooperation with the International Brotherhood of Muslims and Saudi Arabia. My friend Phil Haney always used to tell me, God rest his soul, you know, he always told me that the Saudi government. He was wonderful. He was a great friend. And he told me that the Saudi government was actually bombing Salafi terrorists around the world. And in Egypt and in that area and cooperating. So, like you said, I think you're correct. It's a very complex situation here and Erdogan is probably not to be trusted.
- [78:18]
Stephen K. Bannon
Is this one of the criticisms from the Arab world? I mean, one of the things I've been advocating is that given President Trump's recent trip, the first person I would make a phone call to would be mbz. I think he's the most stabilizing character in that region in uae, right? Yeah. And I know he and President Trump have a very close relationship. He's also that that military is probably the same one notch down from the idf. In other words, they punch way above their weight like the IDF does.
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Matt Boyle
They're also the most Western of the.
- [78:49]
Stephen K. Bannon
Arabs, by far the most.
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Matt Boyle
Right. They join the Abraham Accords, very close.
- [78:53]
Stephen K. Bannon
To certain of the Israelis. A lot of Israelis now, actually shouldn't say a lot, but a number of young Israelis, I think actually live or have cards to live in Dubai to work in finance.
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Matt Boyle
You're a member of the IMEC corridor as well, which is the big Western led trade corridor.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Also the quite controversial advanced artificial intelligence and advanced chip deal we just did with you. He would be someone I would use as an anchor, because I think you need. First of all, we need basing rights. We need flyover rights, which I don't believe have been granted in this. In this activity right now, which I think you need. Right. I know we have certain rights, but we don't have overall rights, particularly to be a combatant against another, not Arab nation, obviously, but another Muslim nation. So I think that's a consideration that has to be given. Erdogan is an interesting character here because unlike Iraq, Right. Maybe even unlike the Gulf Emirates or even like Afghanistan, Persia and Turkey are too ancient civilizations that the Romans fought constantly on their eastern flank. Right. One was for them, the Greeks. For them, the Greeks. Right. And the Romans kind of inherited from the Greeks. Right. So there's the great Thermopylae and all these battles. You see, that's why I refer to them as Persians. And the reason is that. Can you, by the way, just. We're going to get General Flynn up now. Can you get General Flynn up or get his. Right here. I'll give that to you right there. You just called me. If you want to just pick that up. We'll produce this as we go.
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Matt Boyle
What I would say, Steve, is that these ancient civilizations are. We're Talking about America's 250th, right. Like we're coming up July 4th is the beginning of the 250th year of the United States. They're waiting us out. They've been around thousands of years. They think that we're the new kids on the block, we're the, you know. Well, they are not gonna make it.
- [80:45]
Stephen K. Bannon
But they are waiting out Trump. There's no doubt about that.
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Matt Boyle
That is a clear and convincing strategy. I've talked to people who are in communication with the Chinese in other governments around the world. Their intent right now is to wait out President Trump. They want him distracted. And they think that if they can ride out this three and a half years left of Trump, is there a.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Better distraction to get sucked into another war in the Middle East? Particularly not with like an Iraq or scan, but with an ancient civilization like perspective, Persia, where it's a 30 year war. And even though maybe you're not, maybe you're not responsible for regime change, you're at least a co combatant in it. And somehow the whole world, the whole region's blaming you.
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Matt Boyle
Loving it right now. They're loving it. They're loving what, what's, what's happening right now. The Chinese are, Beijing is, is like applauding it and cheering it on. But the, but the fact is, is that I said this earlier. Trump, the biggest moment of Trump's first term. I said this on my radio show earlier, Steve. The biggest moment of Trump's first term, and people think I'm a little crazy when I say this, is that when Jean Claude Junker from the European Union came over to the White House and they announced a trade agreement between the United States and the European Union. Now I think that Trump had less leverage than he has now in the trade agreements and the trade fight that he's fighting worldwide. But this could change with a really complicated a war like this. But the fact is, is that what did that agreement with the European Union and Trump's first term do? It set the stage for the eventual phase one deal with China. What did the phase one deal with China do? What did they do right after that? Within weeks we were affected by Covid. Right now, whether the virus came out of the, the virus came out of the lab, but whether the virus was intentionally released or whether it was accidentally released and they covered it up and used it to, to attack the West. Regardless, the outcome is the same. They. So the fact is, is that that first trade deal, that first. Which wasn't even the greatest trade deal, by the way.
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Stephen K. Bannon
It was, okay, well go back in time. And that was the call the skinny deal, the real deal was the Lighthizer Navarro. Two years that took care of all the original in May of 19, where they had the one belt, one road with Putin, and then kind of spit, tore it up and spit in our face. Lee Ho said, you know what? Upon further review, why don't you. And she said, we can't do this. Afterwards, they declared a people's war. And then in August and September, in the Wuhan Military Games, people started getting sick. Right? And so this is why the CCP has targeted Donald Trump from the beginning. He's the one they fear. Right?
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Matt Boyle
And what's been happening here in this second term since Liberation Day is Trump has been with more leverage and more. Trump likes to say he's got the cars, he has the cards in a bigger way than he ever did in his first term. He has the cards, he's got the leverage. In the second term, he has been again making all the right steps towards eventually forcing the handed. This first deal that Besant and these guys went over to negotiate with the Chinese in London, that's the beginning. That's the beginning of something bigger eventually, because Trump's already got the deal with the United Kingdom, and I know they're deep into talks with, with the EU and India and South Korea and all these other countries. Once those deals start coming out, that really puts the heat.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, hang on a second. By the way, I think I'd like the first 10 days after liberation Day that I'm liking now, but we'll get into that discussion later because he had them all backed up, right?
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Matt Boyle
He could blow the whole thing up.
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Stephen K. Bannon
That's reciprocity. Okay, hang on. Matt Bogat. General Flynn. General Flynn, the President's come back to the White House. He's in the Oval and the national security security meeting. Can you walk us through? We hear unconfirmed reports out of Israeli media that maybe the Israeli either commandos or air assets are taking a shot at Four Door. Can you guess up to speed on what you think's going on, sir?
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
Yeah, so here, here's, you know, I laid it out this morning, and, and I know, I knew earlier that this is probably going to occur today. What they have done, I believe, is the Israelis have given a much greater level of detail about their campaign plan, what I call their campaign plan, to the White House, specifically to Trump, and my guess is also to Eric Carrillo down at centcom. So what is likely happening is there is an assessment for a targeting solution being done on for now to make a determination what will it take, if there is going to be a decision to destroy it, and I mean destroy it like send it back like into the next to the last century, that that assessment is being done on the ground right now. And keep in mind the time zone differences. So your early morning hours are occurring right now. So you've probably got very specialized forces, human beings on the ground in locations with some very sophisticated communications and targeting capabilities to be able to, to make a run at this thing. If that decision is going to be made. My guess is that the President is going to get a full briefing. He's probably gotten a little bit more information over the course of the day from, from, you know, from the Israelis is my, you know, my assessment. And, and he's probably got a much stronger idea about his decision making process at this point. So that's where we are. He's going to gather some more, some more information, get a sense of where his team is at. One of the other things, Steve, is our readiness to be able to conduct this operation. Forces positioned in Guam, forces position in Diego Garcia, forces positioned in theater in case if we, if in fact we did fly airplanes, also escort aircraft in case something went down. You got to have the resources to do pilot rescues on the ground. So there's a lot of moving parts right now that have to be in place and more than likely we are there and the President is getting that update.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Mike, I want to, I'll get to the intel in a second, particularly the Mossad, CIA. You were head of dia. The Tulsi Gabbard looked like maybe on the outs. But I got to ask you, Bibi said today, and there's obviously been a lot of pressure here in the United States. Finish what you started. Bibi came out and said, hey, if we got to do it, we've got to do it. And in fact, if the President doesn't make a decision here within the next two weeks, we're going to go do it. What's the probability that the Israelis can at least get the ball in motion and take a crack at this?
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
Yeah, very high actually, Steve. I mean, so the, the three objectives, okay, folks, three objectives is no nuclear capability for Iran. The second thing is really the diminishing or the destruction. And the Israelis have already done quite a bit of that, of the three primary surrogate forces of Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas. And the third thing, which is really a more difficult task, and that is going to be if, if there is a regime change, who takes over. And you know, what we really want is we want the Iranian people to make that decision. But clearly, clearly the nuclear capability for Iran is no longer going to be, they're no longer be able to do that. I can guarantee that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And you. But that has to come with a total destruction of for now, right? If you don't accomplish that, you don't get to that objective. You don't check that box, correct?
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, the destruction of Ford, Owl and Arak and a couple of these other spots, but principally that one, you know, you put a hurt on that you conduct such extensive levels of damage that the ability to be able to recreate that will take years upon years upon years. So I don't have any doubt that the Israelis are going to completely negate the ability for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, period.
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Stephen K. Bannon
If they take a shot at Fedora and it starts going well in the next day, if they like do it tonight, start tonight. But it's obviously going to be a process. Do you think that that leads to a stand down from at least where we are in President Trump thinking of going kinetic here?
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
You know, I don't and I want to remind people when we went into Iraq, and I think it was the, well, in the 2003 time frame, our bombing campaign, US bombing campaign, with all the sophistication that we had then, which was significant, we didn't have the drones that we have now, but that was, that lasted six weeks, Steve. Six weeks. So, you know, don't think that this thing is going to end anytime, you know, in the next 24 hours. So, so this is going to go on for a while. The Israelis are, to me, are clearly on a, on their campaign. They're being very effective. You know, the Iranians are definitely moving forces around that they have remaining some of their ballistic missile launcher capabilities. I got some of those reports today. The intelligence community is aware of a lot of this stuff. I think that Trump is going to just get another update on where our positioning is at in the Middle east and in other parts of the region. But the other side is, is also, this is for the, the thing that you must look at is one of their, one of the Iranian reactions that some of these threats coming out of the regime. You know, we have to also take a look at what our homeland security posture is from a military, a defense and a law enforcement perspective. Because if all of a sudden, if we get some other information that these guys have capabilities already here in this, in this country, we have to be ready for that, too. And I guarantee that the president's asking those questions.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Are you surprised by the ballistic missile capability? Matt and I and the guys were talking earlier about how the Israelis have hit pretty hard given the volume of ballistic missiles hit at them. Has that surprised you?
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
No, no. And I, and I can tell you that they have, they have a lot of. They got a lot of these ballistic missiles and they got a lot of the launchers. And there's, there's different types of launchers, too, ones that can launch, you know, up to, I think it's three to five missiles at one time. So there's a lot of sophistication in this country, and they've had a long time to prepare that. I mean, just look at the Houthi capabilities that came out of Iran. I mean, Jesus, they almost took out an aircraft carrier, what, two months ago, so US Aircraft carrier. So I'm not surprised one bit. They, at a certain point in time, that ability is going to not be as, as substantial as it. As it. As it was at the beginning. And I do think that even though we see pictures of, like, the hospital being destroyed in Israel, the Israelis have, you know, their Iron Dome system, you know, with, with some other sophisticated air base capabilities has been actually very effective. I actually think that they've been very effective. And Netanyahu, on the very first night, he basically instructed the people of Israel to go to ground. And, you know, and they did.
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Charlie Kirk
They.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
They followed. They followed. And they're. The people of Israel are for their, their government, where the people of Iran are not for their regime. And that's a problem for, for internal security right now, domestic security inside of Iran. That is definitely a problem that they're having to deal with.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Is it, general, about regime change? They've already decapitated much of the military command structure. They have taken out a number of the secular leaders, including the negotiators that Steve Wyckoff were dealing with. Is your definition of either regime change or regime destruction means that the ayatollah and the senior clerics all have to be taken out?
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
Yes. I mean, I think the Ayatollah has to go is my personal opinion. Steve. The ayatollah has to go. I don't care if he goes to Beijing, Moscow or Paris. Doesn't make a bit of difference to me. He's got to go. I do believe that there are some generals see, there's two armies in the, in. In Iran, right? There's the ROGC and there's also the Iranian army. And the Iranian army is not, you know, they're not as, as tight around the, the security of the regime because the IRGC is what has basically kept these guys in power. But there are, there are leaders in that country that are sick and tired of living the way that they do. And, and that's always been the case. We've all, we've known that for a long time. They just never had an opportunity to, to take advantage of a situation like this. So, so you've got some people there that I know that the, the Israelis have to be aware of and they probably have, have considered some of these people and have probably, you know, there's probably been some covert operations to talk to them. So I'm interested in that part of this campaign and this, in this conflict right now is who will rise out of the ashes to take over Iran.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I want to make an announcement. We real America's voice. We're going to stick around another hour because we have so much more to go through. We have some other people want to come on too. David Zier is obviously at the White House for us. Dave Bratt is my co host. As always. Boyles in the, in the co captain chair right here, General Mike Flynn, former DIA and former national security adviser, President Donald Trump. General Flynn, you know, MacArthur and Truman made it very specific, well thought through not to take out Hirohito because of all the cultural, religious things related to Japanese society and culture. If we are to get into the situation of supporting and clearly, you know, Bibi tried to upsell us in the first 48 hours for regime change or regime destruction. I would say here because I don't think anybody's got an idea who's, who's going to, who's next. Do you think that we're opening Pandora's box? And let's say, let's say in the next week we don't even have to get involved kinetically that the Israelis, however they do it, take care of four doors. So we're here, we've aided them on air defense. We're clearly their big sponsor. But do you still think we're opening a can of worms? If, if, if, if people in particular the Israelis go through and actually do regime destruction, is there, is there any path back from that? General.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
You know, I don't think there's a path back from that, Steve, for, for Israel unless, unless all of a sudden Bibi Netanyahu realizes that, you know, we bit off too much here. I don't think that they've decided that yet, but I don't think there's a path back from getting rid of this, this, this tyranny that exists in, in Iran. And frankly, Steve, you know, as far as I'm concerned, that's, that's kind of my, where my head is at now. How do we do it? And, you know, the one thing that I definitely trust right now, and it's, you know, it's from, it's from, Good, good. You know, it's from my own analysis, but it's also from knowing who we're dealing with is I trust the instincts of Donald J. Trump. His instincts on this have been really good and he hasn't been pushed into anything yet, and he won't be pushed into anything. So, so I believe that he's, he's doing exactly what he needs to be doing. He's very steady on the tiller here, and, and he's gathering all the information. He'll make the right call, and when he does, it'll be what's best for this country.
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Stephen K. Bannon
We just heard from the White House. They put a lid on. So the President got a briefing. He ain't going to come out. He's not going to not let anybody go in the Oval Office, ask any questions. Right. Not a night for questions. Matt Boyle.
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Matt Boyle
Well, lid means that they're done for the night. Right. So they're sending the reporters home now. They can always lift that, by the way. So that's happened before, believe me, with world events, so it's possible.
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Stephen K. Bannon
But let's tell you what, we're going to hang over, do another hour. We got so many to go. General Flynn, we're going to let you bounce, but General Flynn, let me ask you, because you've been very, you've been very focused on the Chinese Communist Party in your assessment of where we stand today. How is this aided and abetted the CCP and their rise to actually take over from America as a global hegemon?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
So people have to understand that Iran is being used as a hub and spoke for a giant chunk of the Chinese Belt Road initiative into Europe and into Africa. So this is a big deal. The port facilities from Haydar in Pakistan to Bandar Abbas. So the Chinese have taken big advantage of this. Now, what's going to happen, though, Steve, is that the Chinese, they are going to feel the pressure because 90% of the oil that's coming out of there, coming out of Iran right now goes to China and they get 40% of their energy resources from, from Iran. So, so there's a lot at stake here for China. The Chinese are, are going to try to play the, you know, a mediator here on the world stage. They're in, they're in a tough spot. I think the Chinese are in a tough spot. And I like the, I like the position that Trump has put in them, put them in with, with the tariffs on one side and then just being, you know, the smart warrior that he is right now on this side, you know, like waiting to see what this thing is going to do when they, when the Israelis play this campaign out. Very, very shrewd as far as I'm concerned, on Trump's behalf.
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Stephen K. Bannon
General Flynn, where do people go for your content? How do they get to you? And all you, I know you're doing a podcast. You got these sit reps. I ought to read the sit reps every morning.
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Dr. Bradley Thayer
Yeah, I'm on the 10th sit rep. I just, I decided to do it because I couldn't find anywhere where people were actually talking about the different issues. So at Jen Flynn on X and then I cross post those on every other platform that I got. I'm also, I also got a great new book out, Pardon of Innocent Innocence. It's a great book about warfare, actually. So at Jen Flynn, I'll, I'll be putting reps out sometimes at least once a day, if not a couple of times a day on what's happening.
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Stephen K. Bannon
General fund. Thank. I tell you, there's a lot of chatter, General Flynn, as you leave that there are members of the media and other people that are talking to people, people around saying, I don't know either Israel or America. The party could be on tonight. So we're going to stay here for another hour and break it all down. General Flynn, thank you and thank you for the sit reps, Grace. We got to make sure everybody gets them. Thank you, sir. Boyle's going to stick around. Zir's at the White House. Although they put a lid on it. Put a lid on means the President's not going to say anything else tonight. Right there. Officially, the comms appointed apartment said things.
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Matt Boyle
The reporters can go home.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Go home. Then President Trump worked the phone and talked to 200 reporters. He's actually the comms director himself, of course. Dave Bratt in his salmon. It's salmon, right? It's not pink salmon. Salmon. Okay. Dave Brat or Brett? Brett. Dave. Brad Pitt, as he calls himself. Gonna stick around. We got a lot more. Bradley Thayer, hopefully Eric Prince, hopefully Jack Bastard. So. But a lot going on as we now get into the evening of the 21st of June in the year of our Lord 2025. Another historic day. Remember Lennon said there are decades in which nothing happens. And there are weeks in which decades happen. Folks, I think this week has been one. And guess what? We're about to start another week here in a few hours. And I think we're about to face another one. You're here at the still point in a turning world, the War Room. Back in a moment. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Cuz we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that. But you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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Matt Gaetz
MAGA Media I wish in my soul.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Matt Gaetz
War Room here's your host, Stephen k.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Ban Saturday 21 June Yerville, 2025 in the fading light the gloaming. Let's go to David Z. David, I might mention that Brian Glenn I think took your lighting package. Also want to make sure the President give you time to ask a question for your for your big star turn here on Saturday on the on the path to war sir, getting closing comments before we let you go.
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David Zier
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. I tell you it's been an exciting few days here and I just wanted to add, you know that Houthi cruise missile that almost hit the Harry S. Truman came within like a half a mile. Mile or a mile. And if it wasn't for that phalanx close in weapons system, that carrier might be gone. Very serious stuff here. And I just want to report us. CENTCOM was saying now according to Israeli media that Iran was a week away from nuclear grade uranium before the preemptive strikes here. And I just want to add one thing about Erdogan. He was the benefactor of the Syrian takeover. What? By hds, Right. Another Salafi group. And he's trying to concentrate his Sunni power and was even behind some uprisings in Iran because of the Shiite contingent. But looks like Erdogan is like you said, maybe trying to make some moves himself.
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Stephen K. Bannon
You know David, and you're the expert in this and by the way, that Phalanx gun system is basically a wall of steel it's like a Gatling gun, right? It's advanced technology for fire control and target acquisition. But it's kind of old fashioned. When it's past everything else, we just put up a wall of lead and shred it. Right. So it's, that's how close it got to a aircraft carrier of actually taking it down. But as you mentioned that, David, it's like flashbacks and you get the sweaty palms. I mean, do we want to go back? This is the problem with getting involved in this. We should be talking about Vice President J.D. vance out in Los Angeles doing mass deportations and federalizing the armed forces. We should be having a debate. We should have Mike Davis on here and Julie Kelly and Boyle and all of us arguing about Posse Comitatus and Breyer's brother who's taken us now to, you know, judge. We should be talking about the big beautiful bill. There's such a big gap between the bid and the ask. There's so many huge issues on the tax and spending bill right now that they're working on that people are not. The reason is we spent two hours this morning and two hours and four hours already in the war room with the top people and we're getting into the details of Persia and this and you mentioned that right there. And we talk about Erdogan and Turkey and Qatar and all you bring up and all the different tribes and dude, this can suck. I'm telling you, this is what people don't want to do. I don't want to go back to that place. You know, you're the expert on all the 90s. If I wind David Zier up, he can go for two hours on just the attacks in the United states in the 90s. We don't want to go back to that place, David. And here's the reason, here's what's going to happen. We're getting sucked into this and actually drawn back into a Middle east war that's going to take all the attention of Trump. Trump just came back on a Saturday evening and he's had a briefing and they put a lid on it. You know, he's thinking, he's having other meetings. They're probably giving other details. War and Peace, he may be making decision on that right now. When you're that occupied with these kind of big issues, you're not focused on anything else. You can't focus on anything else. This is, it's the opportunity cost, not just the direct. What does it take to fly the B2? And you know, we've got all these young men and women in harm's way and all these other costs. It's also the opportunity cost, the big opportunity cost, right? As sure as the turning of the earth, this is where we're going to be focused. And guess what? The Chinese Communist Party and the Progressive Democrats and the deep state, they want Trump mired down and focused in Persia on, you know, taking on this ancient civilization. Am I wrong? And this is one of the reasons I said we can't do this. No, we can't do this.
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Matt Boyle
By the way, I think that this is a huge moment for President Trump and I think he deserves an enormous amount of credit here. Right? The fact that he is slowing down big time.
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Stephen K. Bannon
If this was George, the apparatus, if.
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Matt Boyle
This was George Bush, I mean, he probably would have bombed them like 50 times already. Right?
- [105:39]
Stephen K. Bannon
Like, you see the intensity.
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Matt Boyle
President Trump may end up making that decision. And by the way, if he does, he's the commander in chief.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Look at Fox News. Look at Fox News. They hyperventilate. They hyperventilate every. You grew. They hyperventilate every day.
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Matt Boyle
Fox News is totally absurd. And I, I saw your comments the other day, Steve, about that, that there should be a, like a fair investigation or something.
- [105:56]
Stephen K. Bannon
Am I over the top on that? Is that logical?
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Matt Boyle
You're 100 and right. Like, I think that Fox News has been totally ridiculous. And frankly, look, at the end of the day, the President may make the decision to do that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Exactly.
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Matt Boyle
If he does, he's the commander in chief. He has every right to do so. And by the way, he's been very consistent over the course of a decade. Plus, I remember, I don't know if he did it in the speech where he announced his campaign, but very shortly thereafter, I think it was in September. He was here in September 2015. He was doing a big event here in Washington, D.C. and Senator Cruz was there and Mark Levin, who was on Ted Cruz's side against Donald Trump, by.
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Stephen K. Bannon
The way, whoa, I remember that.
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Matt Boyle
Yeah. Was super.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Never Trump.
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Matt Boyle
They all came and did a big rally right over there across the street at the, at the, at the U.S. capitol against the Iran deal. Right. Like back during the Obama presidency, President Trump's been remarkably.
- [106:46]
Stephen K. Bannon
Actually, I think you, I think you and I were part of it. And Trump showed up.
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Matt Boyle
I remember interviewing Mark Levitate, Mark Lewitt.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I think I was Master ceremony or something. And then Trump shows up. It's gotta be 99 degrees and 95% humidity. Even Ted Cruz thinks show up in a shirt. Trump shows up. The blue suit, the Red tie, the full thing. And he goes, that gives the whole thing of how they can't get it. So he's been. That was in 14 or 15, first.
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Matt Boyle
Time to D.C. after he announced his campaign. But that was in 15, I think. So it was right after he announced his campaign. So the. But the fact is, is that President Trump's been remarkably consistent about how Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon his entire time in public life. So if the President and the Commander in chief makes a decision to strike Iran, he's well within his right to do so. But at the same time, he needs to weigh the consequences. And the fact that he's doing that, as we're seeing play out over the course of the last 10 days since Israel started their bombing campaign, is responsible. It's very.
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is what MAGA appreciates. He, he didn't get steamrolled by these guys. He said two weeks. He's thinking about it. Everything he's doing is weighing and measuring, Right? Measure twice, cut once. Is the great Jack for service. Hang on for a second. David Zier, I'm gonna let you wrap up, brother. Give me your closing thoughts. Loser. David Zir still there is gone. Okay, fine. We shut him down. Okay, fine. That's okay. White House threw him out, right? When they put a lid, they put a lid. They put a lid. That's not a kid.
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Matt Boyle
That's not a kid.
- [108:19]
Stephen K. Bannon
Poor David. We might get him in the penalty box. He may be in the fight.
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Matt Boyle
They love the world over there.
- [108:25]
Stephen K. Bannon
David. Zero. Okay, fine. We're moving for any daylight that's left. Brad, give me your, Give me your thoughts, sir.
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Matt Gaetz
Well, you just stole my thunder a little bit. We haven't mentioned domestic policy at all. It's not in the headlines at all. The stock market's forward looking, right. And they. No, no significant blip from going to war. And I think they're interpreting it as a strike. I don't think it's going to be a strike. If you go to war, you go to war. The war since 911 cost the US economy $8 trillion according to Brown University. Hang on, that's without Russia, Ukraine in there.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I want to be, I want to be very specific. I want you to go back and be very specific about this. Because when the president thinks about this at all and he knows collateral damage bull. He's thinking about a highly focused hit that takes care of a tactical problem that the Israelis themselves cannot complete to complete the four door. Take it down and make sure there's no more program. Brat. You're saying by definition because they'll hit back or something. Once you're a combatant, you're a combatant. Is that the advice you've got to the President, is that once you're in, you're in. It doesn't matter if you just do one, one tactical strike, you're a combatant and you're going to be treated like a combatant.
- [109:43]
Matt Gaetz
Sure. And the proof war is all consuming and I'm not discounting war here. He's the commander in chief. He's the head of it. It's existential. So of course it's the number one issue, the most important to the President. But he knows, right? Afghanistan, Iraq, $8 trillion. He's trying to save 200 billion, 500 billion. There's no discussion of the big beautiful bill which is going to frame his legacy and his agenda going forward. That's going to be what's remembered at the end. In 10 years from now, when you look back at this war, what, what good is going to come out of this war? If you spend $8 trillion on war, that's totally wasted money. That is not productivity enhancing. His, his brain. Manufacturing back his trade policy is productivity enhancing. That will be his legacy. And by the way, why do you think it is that the United States is in a position to fight this war? Because we've had massive economic growth and we're the most successful country on the earth. If we lose that and we're, we're losing it. Right. I mean the left is just kind of silly in the reporting on economics and finance. Right. So, oh, they all of a sudden they notice debt. $37 trillion in debt and oh, they've even discovered the bond market vigilantes. And that's a real problem, right? That's a problem paying back the debt. The Federal Reserves in the headlines, but they haven't put it together. What's the cost of this war in added deficits just going to be coming up this year. It's all encompassing. Like you said, every secretary he has will shift their entire agenda because of this war. It's not a little targeting exercise.
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Stephen K. Bannon
We're going to get seer. Yeah. You stick right there. You hang. I'm going to come back to bolt. We're going to Dr. Thayer, hopefully Prince. I'm going to lose zir. David, you sent chills down my spine as you start going through all the details, you know, of all the different groups that are fighting in this sheik and that sheik and that just. I said, oh my God, we can't go back there, but we're going to go back there. David Zier, the question to you is as we close for your segment, even a limited tactical strike by President Trump just to take it out. If the Israelis can't do it, does that make us a major combatant in this war? Is that going to suck us in to a new Persian war?
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David Zier
Sir, aren't we already shooting down incoming missiles in Israel? And the Iranian leadership said it's a non starter. If they got to give up ballistic missiles and end their nuclear weapons program, they're going to drag this out and prolong this. And I just would close with when you talk about Clausewitz and the fog of war here, we lost $200 million in fighter jets just on the Truman since December. And we have the best military in the world. But by having three carrier groups and 40,000 troops over there, things can go wrong. Unexpected events. And I wish our guys Godspeed. It's an honor to be here at the White House the last few days. And I think even though your get a chat was lit up with some divisiveness, you know, some people want it, some people don't want to do it. You know, I, I think that they'll rally behind Donald Trump and I think a lot of people have faith in him that he's a true leader.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you. David Zier. David zier, Social media Where do people get you over the weekend? You're one of the best guys of understanding this region and understanding all the vendettas and everybody that's at each other's throats constantly.
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David Zier
Thank you so much, Steve. I'm avezier on X. I'm at David Zier on Getter and on Facebook and David, David W's ear on Insta. Thank you so much.
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Stephen K. Bannon
No matter how we do it, we've got a minute before we go to break. Two minutes. Brad, hang on. No matter how you try to do it in the discernment that President Trump is clearly doing as commander in chief, you're kicking over a hornet's nest. Right? I mean this is a bad a place in the world as ever. And this is our third turn here since the beginning of this century. This century defined America is Middle east.
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Matt Boyle
Empire is not Iraq. Okay. Like, I mean this is a, a very, very, you know what's interesting? I watched, I know that everybody freaks out about the handful of clips they see go online, but I watched the entire two hours of Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz's interview. And one of the, but one of the clips that did go viral was when Tucker was asking him about the population and the demographics. Maybe not the most important moment I thought it was.
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Stephen K. Bannon
It was widely important if you don't know anything about it.
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Matt Boyle
But, but the fact is you're talking about a country has 90 million people, 92 million people. That is as big as, I mean, it's bigger than Italy, it's bigger than Germany.
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Stephen K. Bannon
It's bigger than in size. It's three times the size of Texas.
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Matt Boyle
Right.
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Stephen K. Bannon
It is a massive place.
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Matt Boyle
It's like the, one of the top 10 countries, population wise, worldwide.
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Stephen K. Bannon
It ain't Iraq.
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Matt Boyle
Right? It ain't Iraq.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Right.
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Matt Boyle
Like, this is not going to be okay. Walk in the park. And they're going to fight back.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And they've been listening. That's why I call them Persians. He dropped the CIA name, Iran. Yes. They got other groups, but they're Persians. This is the same group against the Romans and the Greeks and then the Romans for two or three millennia. I mean, they've been at it, right. And you know, the Romans didn't put that big a dent in them.
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Matt Boyle
And there's going to be that. We need to be on guard for possible sleeper cells. We need to be on guard for every type of thing. Look, I just saw a report in the last half an hour that CBS News reports that U.S. state Department has begun evacuation of Americans from Israel. So the, the, the State Department is evacuating Americans from Israel right now. That is a big deal.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Game on. Okay. Short commercial break. Stick around. There's a lot more here on a Saturday evening in the war room. Short break. Back in a moment. So I suggest you take a look inside. Cause I think you changed already. You went and lost your pride. But I'm American made. I got American power. I got American faith in America's heart.
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Matt Gaetz
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Alexander Ward of the Wall Street Journal reporting that the Marco Rubio, Secretary of State Rubio has been on the phone yesterday and today talking to leaders in Europe and saying, quote, President Trump's preferred option. President Trump's preferred option is a diplomatic, negotiated deal talking in there, including France, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Italy and Cyprus. And Cyprus are kind of deal guys here. So it's important they're in the loop. Matt Gates, former congressman and one of the leaders of this movement, joins us. Matt, you've, you've been on fire on the COVID on the coverage of this. Where do you think we stand on this Saturday night, sir?
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H
I want to thank you, Steve, for running the power leg of the relay for peace. Our friends, you know, like, like Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson have spoken to the president since your meeting. I have encouraged the president, speaking directly to him, because there is no greater force for peace in this world today than Donald Trump. That man deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Because you and I both know, Steve, if any of the other serious contestants in the last presidential election had won, if you had a president, Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis or Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or, you know, God forbid, Mike Pompeo, there would be bombs in Tehran tonight. They would have been. There would have been bombs in Tehran a week ago, and there would be 20 to 40 million war refugees on the move, toppling governments, destabilizing Middle Eastern countries, and creating the greatest hotbed for terrorism that the world would have ever known. It would have made, it really would have made ISIS look like the JV team in comparison to the terrorism that would have arisen had anyone other than Donald Trump won this election. Now, I wish I was getting better news from the Arab world right now about the Iranian reaction because frankly, if those folks had any sense at all, they would do exactly what Donald Trump is saying right now, save their regime, save their lives, and save an entire region from falling into ruin by their hands. That would be their blood stain for all of history. And, you know, if they don't do that, the big question, Steve, is can this happen more akin to the Soleimani takeout? Now, we supported the Soleimani strike because it was President Trump very clearly re resetting deterrence, making clear his desire was not some extended conflict, but resetting deterrence on his terms. And the cascade of horribles didn't happen. So could that happen with a very limited U.S. engagement? I think that's something that's on the president's mind right now.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Matt. You know, today, and bull's going to jump in here in a second today, Bibi finally came into the post and said, hey, we can get this done. Do you think it behooves us to continue to press the Israelis to finish what they started here and then leave us with at least not getting involved in offensive combat operations? Although we've been very involved in the defensive to date. Do you think that that is a course of action that we should continue to push?
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H
This is where you and I may diverge. But what exactly does this mean? Like, does this mean an Israel caused regime change in Iran? Because here's my theory of the case. If you really study this target package from the IDF and how the target package has really changed since the first few days of this war. This is not a denuclearization campaign by Israel. This is a decapitation campaign. If you look at who they are killing, who they are taking out, I mean, if Trump didn't, if Trump wasn't so wise as to see the consequences of this, they would have already killed the Ayatollah. I'm sure you don't dispute that. Left to their own devices, without Trump, they would have killed the Ayatollah. Now, what would have happened then, Steve? A country of 90 million people would have broken out into civil war. Now, why would Israel want that? Why would Israel want chaos in Iran, which is definitely what would happen. Okay. I think it is because there is such a jealousy and resentment over Trump's first trip to the Middle east, highlighting these emerging capital markets in Riyadh, and I've got my problems with the Saudis, but in Riyadh, in Doha, in Abu Dhabi, and, you know, more and more people are looking at, like Oman and this type of Gulf oriented. And I think the Israelis believe that a Middle east in chaos with tens of millions of war refugees is one that will stop the world from positioning towards some of those capital markets.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Wow. So you're saying that as they move forward, it's not just simply to take Efrador and make sure they limit the thing we said on Friday morning after they, the first night of the strike, it struck us that taking out so many, so many military leaders that are not directly involved in the nuclear program look like a decapitation.
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Matt Boyle
It is something. I want to, I want to get back to something. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
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H
You have heard.
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Matt Boyle
Go ahead.
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H
You have heard all of this stuff from Bibi for decades about the need for regime change in Iran. That is, that is what he has preached since the 90s. And if you all believe that he woke up and is going to have a successful denuclearization campaign, have total air superiority because Mossad brilliantly took out the SAM 400 air defenses. They have total, total control of disguise. They're going to pursue regime change unless Donald Trump stops them. And by the way, Donald Trump already did. Why are we even debating.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yes.
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H
Do you all dispute the reporting that they wanted to kill the Ayatollah? If you don't dispute that reporting, then why are we debating what this is about?
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Stephen K. Bannon
There isn't maybe even worse than regime change. It's regime destruction and just let it fall into chaos. Matt Boyle for a Matt.
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Matt Boyle
Yeah. So I want to go back to something the congressman said a couple of answers ago, which is about President Trump. And thank God that he's there as the president and not one of these other people, because just in the last few weeks alone, we've had some major developments in peace in other places around the world thanks to President Trump. In fact, just today, I believe, or in the last couple days, we've seen the Pakistanis offer up President Trump to win the Nobel Peace Prize for the war that he averted between India and Pakistan. And it's thanks to President Trump, I think both sides would admit that. And his intermediating between the two sides, mediating between the two sides, that stopped that from spiraling out of control. And then in addition to that, President Trump announced last night on Truth Social that he and Secretary Rubio have been able to negotiate a mediated solution between Congo and Rwanda in Africa. So these are major conflicts around the world that President Trump is solving. And so I think that as the president makes his decision here, and again, I know he's going to make a decision however he's going to make it. He's the commander in chief. We elected him for this moment. I think he's just going to trust his instincts. His instincts are right. Like he knows that when, if something feels funny, don't trust these people, ask the right questions. He doesn't need to be pressured in making.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Matt, we got a couple of minutes. If you had him on the phone or an hour in the Oval, give me two or three minutes of your advice to President Trump on this night. Where do you take, where do you recommend he takes it from here?
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H
I think President Trump always sees the full maps. So many of these other leaders have only seeing the next step. President Trump plays chess, not checkers. And what I know is that President Trump seeks to avoid a circumstance where tens of millions of war refugees destroy borders, destroy nation states, topple regimes, drain resources, erode investment and opportunity. I mean, President Trump just got $4 trillion of investment in this part of the world. He does not want to see it fall into chaos. And regime change in Iran with no plan equals chaos. That is an easy formula that if we, we know that formula because President Trump rescued us from the neoconservative lies of the Bush era. And so there is no plan. Repeatedly, I've had congressman on my show from the Foreign Affairs Committee, from the Armed Services Committee Committee saying zero planning has gone into the day after the regime falls in Iran. And I think I've laid out to the two of you without any pushback from either of you, that Israel's goal is regime change. And so President Trump has got a lot of headwinds here in a complex environment. Matt Boyle correctly pointed out where, where his skills have really, really saved the day in the past.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Congressman Gates, how do people get to the show? How do people get to your Twitter feed? You've been quite on fire this past week, sir.
- [125:11]
H
I make a show Every night on One America News. It's 9 Eastern, 6 Pacific. It's called the Matt Gates show you our app on live. I post a lot of our clips at Matt Gaetz and at oann on on social media. And again, the reason I was calling was to thank you, Steve Bannon for running the most important leg in this relay. Everyone's had their part but you ran the most important leg. Now President Trump can deliver the victory.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, Matt, thank you. But it was you. I mean it's Tucker, it's you. By the way, your producer, I will say your producer has been in train but you've got the second best producer in all television and back of my own camera and you got Vish Burra who is a man on fire also. You've done such a magnificent and to be your content this week has been both eye opening and head turning and I think that takes real courage, sir. The courage that many, many people don't have. So thank you and go with God.
- [126:02]
H
Thank you, Steve. Much, much appreciated.
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Stephen K. Bannon
A young man who is a leader. Do we miss Gay? I love Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi's. I love her. But I do wish that Matt was the attorney general. Right.
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Matt Boyle
Maybe we need him back in Congress.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I think President, President Trump. Hang on. President Trump tweeted out, right? I don't say it was after my lunch, but President Trump tweeted out on Truth Social that it's time to get a special prosecutor on top of the stolen election of 2020. Now we know the CCP is in there and that would get into. Well and that would get into the 6th of January. It would get into, you know, all of it. I can't think of a better guy than Matt Gaetz.
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Matt Boyle
Can you not off the top of my head.
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Stephen K. Bannon
He's a warrior.
- [126:48]
Matt Boyle
That's a good idea.
- [126:49]
Stephen K. Bannon
His show is a much washed show also. I mean the content's incredible. Vish has done a great job but Matt is a unique personality. Okay, we got Brad. Dr. Thayer is with us. Matt Boyle is in here, is in the war. Thank you for dropping by. You had a full day today. Really appreciate it. I did you know Boyle's claim to fame he's the only man on God's earth that worked for in sequence, Tucker Carlson, Andrew Breitbart, and then Stephen K. Bannon is a better man, as he tells himself, I think I'm a better man for it, right?
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Matt Boyle
I think so. I think so.
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Stephen K. Bannon
In fact, many, we had many of those great meetings right here in this this the Breitbart Embassy right here with Tucker and Andrew and Matt, all of it. Okay, short break. We're back on a special. Want to thank the Real America Voice team for letting us roll into the evening. Short break. Back in a moment. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. I want to thank if we start clipping because Matt Gates was dropping one bombshell after another right there, was he not? Gates is, Gates is, Gates is on it. I want to go now to Dr. Bradley Thayer. Dr. Thayer, you're a military historian and strategist. You focus at the Chinese Communist Party. But put in perspective, where we are tonight is this is this getting to be like a Cuban missile crisis moment for the president as we roll through this weekend?
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Charlie Kirk
It is, Steve. It certainly has. As some of your guests in previous days, he's argued it certainly has an inflection point moment and much is at risk here. I think three points need to be kept in mind here, Steve. First, first point is this is a regional war between Israel and Iran, but it also takes place in the context of a great power cold war between the CCP and the United States. So what's going on between Israel and Iran matters greatly because it's going to impact directly and US Actions are going to impact that great power competition with the ccp. The second point is US Interests have to be well defined here, and it's not we need to go back to the Weinberger doctrine or later the Powell Doctrine, right. With an emphasis that there have to be clear, vital national interests identified and advanced. Importantly, that's significant because we cannot allow the CCP to win this war. The CCP is on the ropes. Obviously, they're under enormous pressure. Many actions that President Trump has taken. The February 24th memorandum, Steve, you'll remember that obviously, focusing, trying to cut off investment, taking other measures against the ccp, obviously the tariffs, other measures that have been taken. So in this conflict, we cannot allow the CCP to win it. Right. US has to be clear about what its interests are and it has to win this conflict not only in the sense of the regional tension or the regional war between Israel and Iran, but in that great power cold war with the Chinese Communist Party. So when we're thinking about that, the last point, third point, is power is the coin of the realm in international politics, and power is relative. It's not just about how much we have, but it's how much we have in comparison to the ccp. And so in the course of this conflict, we cannot allow this regional conflict, really, to damage our regional, the relative power that we have with the ccp.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on. Bold, jump in here. And Brett, jump in here. By the way, I want to get some breaking news. The House and the Senate are going to get a classified briefing finally from Tulsi Radcliffe and raising Cane on Tuesday when they're all back.
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Matt Boyle
Well, that means they're not calling them back this weekend to do it tonight, which means we're probably not going to get a decision tonight would be my guess.
- [131:05]
Stephen K. Bannon
This is a pretty good tell for us, right?
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Matt Boyle
I think so. And I look, this is a proper use of the, the DNI and the CIA director. They should be going in to go brief the lawmakers because the lawmakers make decisions. But the fact is, is that I do think that this would signal that there's not some kind of a rush from the President. He's still, you know, gathering input and listening to people. I always tell this about, to people about President Trump and a lot of the establishment media people I tell it to, they laugh at me whenever I say it. But I think that they're wrong because they don't know Trump like I do. Trump's best quality, hands down, is he, he's an incredible listener.
- [131:44]
Stephen K. Bannon
Big time.
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Matt Boyle
Right. He's an incredible listener. He builds in feedback channels so that way he can make decisions better. So that way he listens. He's, he's, it's the best quality that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
He has meetings when he's having these meetings, he doesn't say a lot. He lets the, he lets you argue your point out. He kind of weighs and measures the combatants there about the, he wants the best idea to win.
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Matt Boyle
Yes.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So he's a listener, which is other.
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Matt Boyle
People, and he'll ask you questions back as well. And he asks great questions back in response. So I think that, you know, getting the members of Congress, the, the accurate intelligence that Tulsi Gabbard and Director Ratcliffe both have, that's a good step.
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David Zier
Right?
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Matt Boyle
Like these are good steps.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah.
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Matt Boyle
And then maybe the members of Congress can go talk to him about it and so on and so forth, more people weighing in the.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And he wants a broad look. Charlie Kirk was at the White House a lot on, on Thursday, right? On Wednesday and Thursday, Matt Gaetz said he just talked to the President. He's taking input. He's taking input from the maga. Right. He's always looking for input. I want to go back to Thayer. One thing. Are you saying that we can only. This is a regional conflict between the Israelis and the Persians. Right. Our third turn in the barrel over there. But that we must view every action we take in the broader context of the great power struggle with our mortal enemy, the Chinese Communist Party, sir.
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Charlie Kirk
Right. So this is. This event, this regional war, which could escalate, of course, to bring in others or escalate vertically as well, has to be seen in the context of the defining event of the 21st century, which is the battle between. Between the CCP and the United States. So we need to see obviously how this regional conflict is going to be impacting that. And there are lots of ways. Matt Boyle was great earlier in the show at really identifying those, as was General Flynn. Right. There are a lot of. Xi Jinping is dancing in the street. Right. If we get involved in this, he's going to be dancing in the streets. If we get sucked into this war in a way which causes us to lose the focus, lose the center. As Jim Fennell stresses time and again. Captain Jim Fennell, the great Captain Jim Fennell, stresses the CCP is the main thing, and we need to be keeping the main thing. Keep the main thing. The main thing, and focus on that. And we cannot lose focus on that. Yes, you can chew gum and walk at the same time. That's certainly the case. But this is a Cold War with the CCP and regional wars. Right. As Weinberger identified, Reagan's Defense secretary, Cap Weinberg identified in 84. Right. There are principles that have to define how we react to regional conflicts, and we need to keep those in mind.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So, no, because remember, a regional war, a regional war between the ancient and falling apart Austro Hungary Empire and the Serbian nationalists that were allies to Russia. They took a regional war that had an assassination on the end of June, and five weeks later, all the great powers are at each other's throats. And we have the kickoff to really something that's never ended. The First World War led to the Second World War, that led to the Cold War, that then led to the Great War on Terror. And here we are now in another great power struggle in the 21st century. And so you gotta watch these regional wars, particularly one, as Matt Gaetz just said, you could have 20 million. I mean, this makes Syria look like a Sunday afternoon church Picnic. I mean, this is a. This has 92 million people. It's an ancient civilization. You start spreading the. Where they're going to go. They ain't marching through Syria. They're going to go to uae, they're going to go to Saudi Arabia. I mean, they're going to put pressures on where all the oil resources are right there in the Gulf.
- [135:47]
Matt Boyle
So dare I say, Steve, that the vast majority of people that are advocating that President Trump should get the United States involved in this conflict between the Israelis and the Iranians, most of them are globalists who don't like President Trump's tariffs. When I was in Greece earlier this year and I interviewed the Prime Minister, it was right in the aftermath of Liberation Day. And one of the things I said in the panels I did over there was that Liberation Day, that moment from President Trump was like his version of Ronald Reagan's Evil Empire speech and calling out the Soviet Union. And it was only a few years later that of course, we finally won. But the globalists kept removing those last lines from his speech in the Evil Empire speech all the time. Right. Like, so I think that the globalists that are trying to entangle us in this war in Iran, and again, the President's going to make his decision. I'm not trying to influence him one way or the other, and I fully support the President, whatever he goes with. And I think that most of the America first movement will agree with that. But that being said, the globalists who have been trying to introduce in another war in the Middle east do not like the tariffs, and they want China to not be the focus. They like the status quo of the second Cold War that we're 40 years into, 30 years into. They don't want to see the United States win it or frankly, China win. They just like the status quo. They don't like the terrorists. They don't like anybody pushing back against it. And I think that that is a big part of what's driving them right now.
- [137:19]
Stephen K. Bannon
You, Gates and Thayer are going next level. I mean, this is like high, high order magnitude.
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Matt Boyle
That's why I had to be here on Saturday night, I tell you.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Hey, Brad, it got a couple of. Brad, it got a couple of minutes. If you were there in the Oval, able to address the President after the meeting, when he's getting his papers ready, ready to go up to the residence. You got three minutes, sir. What do you tell the President? United States?
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Matt Gaetz
You know, I agree. Boyle there just said, you know, it's the globalist, and we all know that's true and that's kind of high level thinking. But Mr. President, the most powerful force on this earth is the American people. And you got them, you got them on your side and they're particularly located here in maga. Right. And so people in the past, I differ just a hair with, with Matt in it. I think most of the people that are for this are well meaning, but they just have no idea what this war involves and will entail. They don't know the history of Iraq and Afghanistan standing $8 trillion. But now the MAGA crew, if me or Matt were Gates, Gates just connected some beautiful dots. But you got to be very sophisticated to understand those dots. But basically he said Israel has a different agenda than the United States does. And we stopped him at certain points and we got to get back in the process. And so Mr. President, I would not let anyone hijack your agenda. Use your tuition has been correct from the get go. No foreign entanglements. It'll slow down your economics, it'll slow down your trade, it'll slow down the energy policy. It'll bring your entire agenda, the big beautiful bill. No one even is looking at it. We're not improving it, making it better, pushing it forward. The bond market is all going to collapse if we spend more trillions on this war. We will get entangled. Once you attack, once we bomb. This is Iran's homeland. They have egos like everyone else has egos and they have to save face. If we bomb them, end of story, we're at war. They will respond. They will have to respond. And our boys are sitting right off the coast and we will lose young boys. I know from your comments on Ukraine and Russia that is your number one concern. You've said, why am I doing this? I don't have to do this. Why am I doing this? I'm doing this because I hate the loss of life. Because you're a good man. That's why you're doing it. Same thing applies here. Your agenda. In 10 years, if everything went great here, nothing happens. It's a non story, right? If we achieve peace and you just keep growing the economy and that's your agenda, that's good news. But if this thing blows up, that's your agenda. Trump too. The agenda got blown up because we got sucked into a war that the American people do not want. Go ask the American people, how many boys are you willing to sacrifice for this war and this foreign entanglement? And I think the answer is zero. So hold to your course. I'm hoping and Praying, that's what you do, inform the American people. There's all this technical lingo. The CIA is dropping bombs on you by the day. Oh, we got new intelligence of this process going on. Really well, please explain to that real slope, why did it just come now? Right. And what process are you talking about? Right. Draw me a simple 8th grade chart. Where in the nuclear enrichment process are you talking about? I got to take out Fordo. Why? Right? Why do they have nuclear weapons ready to go? Because that ford out things earlier in the process. And then please explain it to the American people, because your fans, your mega crew follows every word you say and they are smart people, the American people. I trust them. You trust them. The war room loves them and they love you back. And so, Mr. President, keep us out of war and keep us on your full agenda, which is a plus.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, Dave, hang on for a second. Matt Ball, hang on for a second. Dr. Thayer, hang on for a second. We got one more segment. Want to thank real America's voice, louder than us to be here three hours. The party is on, as they said in World War II. Who's hosting the party? I think is the question is it going to be Israel or is it going to be the United States of America? President Trump is wrestling with that issue at the White House even as we speak. Short commercial break Back in the War Room in just a moment. War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, Matt, as I said, the party is on. It's who's going to host the party. President Trump answered that question, did he not, right when I said that. Matt Gates read what happened.
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Matt Boyle
You want me to read it? Okay, so, yeah, President Trump just announced on True Social, he says, quote, we have completed our very successful attack on the three nuclear sites in Iran, including Ford, out Natanz and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran airspace. A full payload of bombs was dropped on the primary site Fordo. All planes are now safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American warriors. There is not another military in the world that could have done this. Now is the time for peace. Thank you for your attention to this matter. That's the end of the quote from President Trump. So, yes, the US United States has this evening attacked Iran. So we were getting signals, mixed signals. They called the lid, they, they called the briefing with the Senate and the House leaders next week. That was kind of a smokescreen, if you will. But then they went and did this and I would imagine that we're going to hear from the president and Others soon.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So it will be a briefing, it will be a bomb damage assessment. Here's what. Read that again. Slowly. Folks. We're going to stick around through this hour. We're going to take a break at the top of the hour. We're going to stick around and I think Erik Prince is, is going to join us. As we've just learned that the United States of America has become a combatant in the what I call the Persian war with an assault on the, on all the nuclear facilities, including Fordor. But it doesn't look like it was a concentrated. Let's continue to hit bomb after bomb after bomb and take it out. Correct.
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Matt Boyle
He says, quote, I'm going to just say what the President says. He says, quote, we have completed our very successful attack on the three nuclear sites in Iran. By the way, three nuclear sites is bigger than what we were talking about.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Right? Right, right. But that means the Israelis had not taken down the first two, which they said they had were pretty far down.
- [143:43]
Matt Boyle
So, and then, but anyway, the President says the, the, we have completed our very, our very successful attack on the three nuclear sites in Iran, including Ford out Natanz and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran airspace. A full payload of bombs was dropped on the primary site. All planes are now safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American warriors. There's not another military in the world that could have done this. And he says in all caps, now is the time for peace, exclamation point. Then he says, thank you for your attention to this matter. So the fact is, is that while the President is going to push for peace, we'll have to see if there will be any Iranian response, what the response will look like, what the next stages of this are. Obviously it's the middle of the night in Iran, so I don't even know what time it is there. I have to check. I, I've been checking.
- [144:36]
Stephen K. Bannon
It's getting googling.
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Matt Boyle
What time is it getting closer?
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Stephen K. Bannon
It's getting closer to dawn, right? 4:00am 4:00am it's getting closer to dawn there.
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Matt Boyle
Yeah, it's, it's, it's three, about 3:30 right now in Iran. So the, the, the point is that the, so we'll see the response from the, the Iranians in response to this and what they do next.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Dr. Bradley Thayer, you said, hey, if we get, if we get there, even on a tactical, limited tactical attack, this will suck us in as a combatant in a shooting war. Do you still, now that the President has done it, what are your Thoughts?
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Charlie Kirk
Well, it's clear he's focusing on the counter proliferation, right. He's focusing on the nuclear aspect, not the regime change. That to me that's clear in that truth, which is very important. So as I read the statement of US interests it was to stop the Iranian nuclear program at this time to arrest it and prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons, not to advance regime change. So that's positive. I think if he's identified that clearly that's a clearly defined mission and it's one that it seems it has been accomplished. We'll have to see obviously about the assessment, but that's important. Matt's point about retaliation I think also deserves to be noted. But again this takes place in the context of the Cold War with the Chinese Communist Party and everything has got to be seen through that light. We can't allow China to win this war. We can't allow the CCP to win this war. Our interests have to come to the fore and be triumphant here. So again that layering of the Cold War has to be is a very important lens to see all of these events. Steve.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So just to reiterate Matt, I tell you one more time, can we read the President's only true socials come out. There's no other. We just reported that Marco Rubio and others the preferred path was trying to get a negotiated deals. We sat at the top of the show this morning and and this evening one of the issues President Trump has had is nobody to negotiate with. Right. They, they've had a very tough time having the Ayatollah get back to anybody. Steve Wykoff has said hey, we're trying to negotiate with somebody. We can't. We've got a couple of minutes to break. Can you take your time and just read because we essentially went to war tonight.
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Matt Boyle
Again this is what the President says, quote, we have completed our very successful attack on the three nuclear sites in Iran including Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran airspace. A full payload of bombs and he puts bombs in all caps was dropped on the primary site Fordo. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American warriors. There is not another military in the world that could have done this. Now is the time for peace. Thank you for your attention to this matter. So Steve, if the President's saying this, this means that when we've been live here on this show, this has been happening. So we were, we kind of had some good instincts here cuz we were, we were literally.
- [147:46]
Stephen K. Bannon
That's why we went live. That's what we went live.
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Matt Boyle
Yeah. We were literally thinking this was gonna happen. Then they started sending out some mixed signals that maybe it wasn't.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, as I said earlier. Yeah, President Trump doesn't do pitch from doesn't wind up, although he's wound up. He pitches from the stretch. He wants to make sure that, you know, it's like Suleiman. Okay, we're going to leave you with the right stuff. We're going to take a couple of minute break. At the top of the hour. We're coming back. We're trying to get Eric Prince, maybe Jason Miller, Matt Bull is going to stick around. Dr. Thayer, where do people go for your for your social media and all your content?
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Charlie Kirk
Sir Bradley Thayer, Truth and Get her and Bread there on X. And God speed obviously to the military, Steve, tonight.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yes.
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Charlie Kirk
You know, there's a lot obviously it has to come out of that, but let's hope that everyone is essentially all of our combatants, all of our servicemen and women are, are safe. Godspeed tonight.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And it sounds like thanks very much. Thank you, brother. Guam, Diego Garcia, don't know where these hits came from. Obviously. B2S short commercial break Charlie Kirk's going to join us. Hopefully Jason Miller is going to join us. Us Eric Prince Boyle's gonna stick around. All next in the war room, Sam.