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Summary

Podcast Summary: WarRoom Thanksgiving Day Special 2025 (continued)

Podcast: Bannon’s War Room
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Guests: Dr. Larry Schweikart (historian), Nate Morris (Senate candidate)
Musical Interludes: Odette
Date: November 27, 2025
Episode Theme: Reflections on Thanksgiving, American history, and the evolution of American identity and values—from the Pilgrims to the present. Special attention is paid to the founding, westward expansion, contentious issues of land and conquest, and the political and cultural meaning of Thanksgiving.

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Episode Overview

This special Thanksgiving Day episode commemorates American heritage by tracing the nation's history from the Pilgrim settlers through the Revolution, touching on land disputes, relations with Native Americans, and the enduring values that shape national identity. Blending historical analysis, political commentary, and personal reflection, the episode features a discussion between Steve Bannon, historian Dr. Larry Schweikart, and Senate candidate Nate Morris. Notable musical performances by Odette bookend and intersperse the discussion with traditional American hymns.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Thanksgiving Reflections and Traditions

[00:05–01:52, 29:15–02:40, 43:15–45:51]

• Odette opens and closes segments with poetic recitations and singing, emphasizing gratitude, family, and the blessings of American life.
• Thanksgiving is framed as a time for "counting blessings," family unity, and remembering the nation’s foundational stories.

2. The Early Colonies and Founding Myths

[02:40–04:12]

• Bannon: Sets historical context—contrasts the entrepreneurial, land-driven settlers in Jamestown with the religious seekers in Massachusetts (Pilgrims).
• Schweikart: Explains the varied motivations for colonization: land acquisition (especially for tobacco in Virginia) and searching for religious freedom (Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maryland).

3. Complex Relations with Native Americans

[04:12–08:48]

• European settlers’ insistence on land deeds and titles, unfamiliar to most Native Americans, put indigenous populations at a disadvantage.
• Bannon: Emphasizes that Native American societies had sophisticated political alliances and saw early European arrivals as opportunities for leverage in intertribal conflicts.
• Schweikart: Differentiates between English and French colonial relations with Native Americans—the French treated tribes more as trading partners, the English tended toward conquest and settlement.

“It was kind of a religious movement that sparked the rise of New England into all of these colonies. But the second key element there is land.”—Larry Schweikart [04:12]

4. The French and Indian War & Geopolitical Power

[08:48–13:15]

• The Seven Years' War (called the French and Indian War in North America): Native tribes allied with both French and British; America became a “prize” for European empires.
• War’s aftermath led to new British taxes and land restrictions, sowing seeds for the Revolution.

“The English came back later and said, hey guys, we need to tax you guys...”—Steve Bannon [08:48]

• The British Proclamation Line of 1763, restricting westward settlement, angered colonists and led to governmental indecisiveness—fuel for revolutionary sentiment.

5. Thanksgiving, Land, and the Legacy of Conquest

[16:51–19:02]

• Nate Morris (Senate candidate): Pushes back against contemporary land acknowledgments, framing American history as a story of conquest and negotiation, not simple theft.
• Argues against judging America by uniquely harsh standards and criticizes apologizing for history as a left-wing tactic.

“America was conquered, not stolen. And anyone who tries to tell you differently is either trying to rewrite history or make America weaker.” —Nate Morris [16:51]

6. The Kentucky Frontier and American Character

[20:13–25:42]

• Kentucky and Ohio symbolized the American drive for westward expansion—the “old Northwest.”
• Morris: Connects his family history and Kentucky’s identity to themes of grit, self-reliance, and resistance to elite authority.
• Bannon & Morris: Link the Cumberland Gap and pioneer determination to broader themes of American “cussedness” (independence and stubbornness).

“We've been fighting since the very beginning, since we came over the Cumberland Gap...our people, we're going to fight. If anyone ever tried to invade our country... the Kentuckians, we'd be the first ones to sign up and say, we're going to fight to protect what's ours...” —Nate Morris [22:17]

7. Monopolies, Trade, and American Capitalism

[34:01–38:02]

• Schweikart: Tells the story of John Jacob Astor, who built a fur trading empire, ended government monopolies in the business, and invested his fortune in American real estate.
• Contrasts American entrepreneurialism with British colonial monopolies (like the Hudson Bay Company and East India Company), which played a role in fomenting the Revolution.

8. History, Irony, and Transformation in 21st Century America

[38:02–41:27]

• Schweikart previews his coming book: America in the 21st Century—discussing major events from Y2K, 9/11, and the pandemic to the financial crisis and the rise of Donald Trump.
• Argues: Barack Obama, billed as "transformative," was less so than Trump, who is described as reshaping American politics.

“The irony is that in the first quarter of the 21st century, the most transformational political figure has been Donald Trump. Far and away.” —Larry Schweikart [41:20]

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Notable Quotes

• Steve Bannon: “I want everybody to understand, there is warfare between whites and Indians...it’s not like these guys are savages. They have very sophisticated alliances...they see the whites originally as a strategic asset.” [06:30]
• Nate Morris: “You don’t strengthen America by apologizing for it. Our job is not to rewrite the past. It’s to defend our future with border security, national pride, strong families and strong communities.” [18:34]
• Dr. Larry Schweikart: “His term that it’s a conquest is true. But you have to understand...they were all fighting over land and territory. The Indians were fighting each other over territory. What do you think was going to happen when the last of the Mohicans was gone?” [33:01]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Thanksgiving reflections & song: [00:05–02:40], [29:15–02:40], [43:15–45:51]
• Colonial origins, motives & land: [02:40–06:15]
• Indigenous relations, alliances, and European geopolitics: [06:15–13:15]
• French and Indian War & the march toward revolution: [08:48–13:15]
• Nate Morris' Thanksgiving address & critique of land acknowledgments: [16:51–19:02]
• Kentucky frontier, American spirit, and Morris’ family history: [20:13–25:42]
• Astor, monopolies, and American entrepreneurship: [34:01–38:02]
• Schweikart on 21st-century American history: [38:02–41:27]
• Book promotions and further reflection: [45:51–47:10]

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Tone and Style

The episode blends scholarly analysis, conservative commentary, and personal storytelling with patriotic, nostalgic flair. Bannon and guests use vivid language, humor, and a “storytelling over coffee” approach. Morris’s tone is combative and resolute; Schweikart’s is wry and historically grounded. Odette’s performances add a heartfelt, traditional element.

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Memorable Moments

• Bannon’s playful skepticism about early land transactions:
  “If some guy’s gonna walk up to me and say, ‘Hey, look, where’s your title? Where’s your deed?’ Don’t you get a tomahawk in the head?” [05:50]
• Morris’s Thanksgiving message:
  “America was negotiated for, it was fought over and it was settled by ancestors who believe in private industry and law and order. Manifest Destiny.” [16:51]
• Schweikart’s fur company story and critique of “land theft” framing:
  “The biggest competitor in these areas was American monopolistic fur companies that were given fur trading licenses by the US Government.” [34:01]
• Musical interludes: Stirring renditions of Battle Hymn of the Republic and Thanksgiving-themed songs by Odette punctuate and close the show.

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Resources and Further Reading

• Dr. Larry Schweikart’s work can be found at:

  • wildworldofhistory.com
  • wildworldofpolitics.com

• Nate Morris’s campaign: natemorris.com

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Final Thoughts

This Thanksgiving installment of WarRoom interweaves American myth, conflict, and perseverance—framing the nation's story as one of conquest, struggle, and gratitude. The discussion covers both the inspiring and contentious aspects of the American experience, encouraging listeners to appreciate history’s complexity while celebrating enduring national values.

Transcript

[Larry Schweiger]

Foreign.

[Odette]

We've come to the time in the season when family and friends gather near to offer a prayer of thanksgiving for blessings we've known through the years to join hands and thank the crew creator now when Thanksgiving is due.

[Larry Schweiger]

And this.

[Odette]

Year when I count my blessings I'm thanking the Lord he made you this year when I count my blessings I'm thanking the Lord he made you. I'm grateful for the laughter of children the sun and the wind and the rain the color of blue in your sweet eyes the sight of a highball and train the moon rise over a prairie and oh, love that you've made new and this year when I count my blessings Thanking the Lord he made.

[Steve Bannon]

You.

[Odette]

This year when I count my blessings I'm thanking the Lord he made you. And when the time comes to be.

[Larry Schweiger]

Going.

[Odette]

It won't be in sorrow and tears I'll kiss you goodbye and I'll go on the way Grateful for all of the years I thank for all that you gave me for teaching me what love can do and Thanksgiving Day for the rest of my life Thanking the Lord he made you Thanksgiving Day for the rest of my life I'm thanking the Lord he made you.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Thanksgiving Day Thursday 27th November, year of our Lord 2025. I guess we're going to get Nate up, as we're going to try to work on Nate to get him up, let me know because I want to play his clip and bring him on. LARRY from actual arrival of the Pilgrims in Massachusetts, the Bay Colony and the entrepreneurs, the freebooters, the Cavaliers down at Jamestown, it's essentially, I guess, what about 170 years from that moment to the Revolution. Is that my math generally correct?

[Larry Schweiger]

Yes, I'm terrible at math.

[Steve Bannon]

So let's say 170 years to the revolution, or maybe even longer if you take it from the revolution that gets you to 1949, a lot of people learning about their country don't realize there's this vast, you know, it's over 150 years, 170 years, 175 years from when the first Argonauts arrive until we really get to the revolution. That's kind of a very, you know, people know about the first Thanksgiving, but what happened in the interim to get us to remember when the revolution starts. Philadelphia is, I think, the second largest English speaking city outside of London. What was it that drove that kind of tremendous growth in community that then you had 13 English colony?

[Larry Schweiger]

Sir? Well, in different things in Virginia, it was, as you said, mostly A quest for land. And there were good tobacco lands. Once they figured out tobacco was a cash crop, people couldn't wait to get here and start their own tobacco plantations. Of course, more than half failed, but that's. That's the way it is anytime. It was a little different in Massachusetts because so many of the early settlers there were coming in for religious freedom. They heard that the Pilgrims got there, that they hadn't been, you know, squashed or extinguished by the Crown, that they were thriving with their own religion. And so all sorts of other religious groups, sects, began to come in, whether it was the Quakers who moved out into Pennsylvania, whether it was the Catholics who came into Maryland. It was kind of a religious movement that sparked the rise of. Of New England into all of these colonies. But the second key element there is land. That you could always get more land. Now, we've kind of harped on this business of titles and deeds, but it is important that if there were conflicts with the Indians, the settlers would always say to the Indians, okay, where's your land, deed? Where's your title? And of course, they didn't have it. The Indians, with a couple of exceptions, had mostly an oral tradition, and they have written titles. Indeed. So they were at a disadvantage against Western Europeans, who in fact.

[Steve Bannon]

But hang on, but hang on, hang on. If some guy's gonna walk up to me and say, hey, look, where's your title? Where's your deed? Don't you get a. Don't you get a tomahawk in the head or hatch? And the guy goes, hey, here's my title. Suck on this. Suck on this, pilgrim.

[Larry Schweiger]

Of course you do.

[Steve Bannon]

I mean, what kind of wise ass is gonna ask the Indian? I don't think they're asking Squanto. Hey, Squanto, you guys got deeds for.

[Larry Schweiger]

No, you're absolutely right, which is why there's constant frontier warfare. Everywhere you look, there's warfare between whites and Indians. And they would draft treaties. But again, these treaties are hard to enforce because you don't have hard enforcement. But hang on.

[Steve Bannon]

I want everybody to understand, though, there is between the whites and the native population, the aboriginal population, the Indians, however, they have. It's not like these guys are savages. They have very sophisticated alliances. They have very sophisticated strategy. Some tribes hate each other. Others have gone in confederacies to make sure that they are strong. They see the whites originally as a strategic asset that one side or the other can use against other Indians. Correct. I mean, they don't start off with the Pilgrims versus the. The Tribes of the north and even in Jamestown, although they were attacks, no doubt. But the initial thing is they said, hey, how do we use these whites in leverage against other tribes that we have ancient vendettas with? Correct?

[Larry Schweiger]

Yes. It is very much like having, I don't know, a nation the size of Holland, if you want to liken the Pilgrims and the people of Massachusetts to a Holland, compared to all these other big powers, Indian confederations, whether it was the Mohicans, the Hurons, the Narragansetts, the Penobscots, the Patuxents, you have all of these different tribes. Some of them are allied with each other, some of them are deadly enemies to each other. Some of them ally with the whites, some of them oppose the whites. And it's not just the whites. It gets even more complicated because the Indians know that some whites are English and some whites are French. And by and large, the French had very good relations with the Indians because they didn't try to set up giant population centers. In fact, they greatly restricted immigration to Canada in order to protect their fur trading business and their fur trading posts. They treated the Indians more as trading partners as opposed to opponents who needed to be conquered or whatnot. So there are all these variations of relationships between Indians and whites that go beyond just racial skin color. It includes nationalities and includes tribal relations between different Indian groups.

[Steve Bannon]

This got so complicated in the first global war, the Seven Years War. The aspect in North America was the French and Indian wars where the, where the Indians were allied on both sides, some with the French, some with the British. It was that war of which Washington was a young, I think he was a colonel in the Virginia militia, that really, the English came back later and said, hey guys, we need to tax you guys. You got to do a little something for the effort here of all the money we put in. In addition, we're going to have to have frontier forts and troops to protect you from the, from the Indians. In addition, of course, the colonists. You ask any American, hey, we're going to tax you. They go, hang on. Say you're going to do what?

[Larry Schweiger]

It was not.

[Steve Bannon]

Tell me about the French and Indian War. Because that was that part of that big buildup that over those hundred some years you had Spain, you had France and you had the British all looking for the prize of this continent. Because very quickly the reports got back that this is a paradise. I mean, you know, they say that part of the reasons George III went mad is that he lost the North American empire. And it was so the reports was it was like a paradise with unlimited timber and rivers and this earth that could grow anything. Talk to me about the three geopolitical Spain, France, and then in England that fought over this for so long, leading up to our own revolution.

[Larry Schweiger]

Well, the French, as I said, saw Canada as a wealthy ground for trade of all sorts of pelts. Beaver was the most popular at the time, but of course, deer, elk, all sorts of, you know, foxes and bears, everything else. And so they established a very large empire running all the way down the part of the Mississippi River. The Spanish had come in 100 years earlier into the Mexico region after defeating the Aztecs. And they started a series of farming plantations in comiendas where they rewarded their conquistadores with. With. With land. And they were moving northward and out of Mexico eastward and out of Florida northward as well. Then you had the. The English come in. So when war broke out in Europe, obviously these colonies were going to be at war with each other in North America. And so immediately, they all scrambled to see who could make alliances with which Indian groups as well. When the English won the Seven Years War, the French and Indian War, as we call it. And of course, I have to always remind my students that the French did not fight the Indians. The French and Indian War was when the French allied with the Indians to fight the English, and the English won. They extracted a high cost, and they took all the land all the way out to the Mississippi. And so now you have this issue of land. And not only are the British saying, we're going to tax you to pay for the cost of the war that we just fought over there, but because you have so many people running out across the Appalachian Mountains and trying to settle or hunt, we're going to only give out licenses to certain groups to go over there, and the rest of you are prohibited from crossing the mountains to hunt and settle. Well, that's not going to fly to a people who were very accustomed to moving where they wanted, when they wanted, and if they could protect themselves against the Indians settling where they wanted. So there was a huge uproar over the proclamation line of 1763. And as a result, Parliament reversed itself and said, okay, never mind, never mind. You can go back out there. But it wasn't too long before they reversed themselves a second time, said, no, no, wait, those licenses are still in place. You can't go out there. As with anything, not only are taxes bad, but indecisiveness is bad. People don't like it when they have a government that they can't rely on to make regular, sensible policy. So that land ordinance helped pave the way toward the revolution, no doubt.

[Steve Bannon]

And the cussedness of the Americans. They did not like to be told what to do as it plays out to our history, particularly the Revolutionary War, or take a short commercial break. Odette is going to take us out with a magnificent rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Nate Morris joins us on the other side.

[Odette (singing)]

I have seen him in the watchfires Of a hundred circling camps they have builded him an altar in the evening dews and damps I have read his righteousness by the dim and flaring lamps his truth is marching on Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah Glory, glory, hallelujah. His truth is marching on I have read a fiery gospel written Burnished rose of steel as ye deal with my condemners, so with you my grace shall deal. Let the hero born of woman crush the serpent with his heel. His truth is marching on. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Larry Schweiger]

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[Nate Morris]

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[Odette (singing)]

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[Larry Schweiger]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Larry Schweiger]

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[Nate Morris]

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[Larry Schweiger]

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[Nate Morris]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Nate Morris]

Of the new hey Nate Morris here is my family and I get ready for the holiday season. I've got so much to be grateful for. We live in the greatest country on the earth and I'm running for the United States Senate to keep it that way. Thanksgiving's about American greatness and American settlers. The sacrifice, the determination and the conviction of our great ancestors that conquered this nation. The settlers who came here brought with them written laws, property rights, industry, and eventually created a constitutional republic that's the envy of the world. I wanted to address a growing trend on the left in their latest fad all this crap about land. Acknowledgments I've got news for you. America was conquered, not stolen. And anyone who tries to tell you differently is either trying to rewrite history or make America weaker. America was negotiated for, it was fought over and it was settled by ancestors who believe in private industry and law and order. Manifest Destiny. We bought Alaska from Russia and the Louisiana Purchase was purchased from France. And to all the people trying to acknowledge this land, notice how they aren't leaving it or they aren't talking about who these Indians really were. The left wants to judge America by standards no other nation in the in the history could meet. That's not honesty, it's anti American. They hate us for being American. We negotiated, traded and signed treaties covering millions of acres. Compare that to how Europe, Asia or the Middle east shifted borders for thousands of years. The Apaches in the Sioux, they weren't in a Disney movie. They were warrior nations. Heck, even the Comanches were cave dwellers in Wyoming until they got horses and conquered half the United States. You don't strengthen America by apologizing for it. Our job is not to rewrite the past. It's to defend our future with border security, national pride, strong families and strong communities. That's how you honor the people who built this nation. Stolen land is rhetoric and just one more left wing attempt to weaken America from within. And we're not going to let them take it away.

[Steve Bannon]

Nate Morrison joins us now. As you know, I've done this show I guess for not quite 15 years, but Breitbart radio. We did it and then here at the war room and we try to keep it non political, but I was so blown away by Nate's little clip that he did or spot that he did that I asked him to change things up when he would join us. Nate, what got you worked up on this one? Because when I saw it, I go, wow, I've been waiting for someone to say that for a long time, and particularly after coming off of Ken Burns American Revolution. Like I said, Burns has got a little bit of woke in there, but it talks about a big part of this, in fact, at the very beginning is about your home state, the commonwealth in Kentucky, really Ohio and Kentucky in those lands that were just on the other side of the Appalachian and the Allegheny that really proved what we call the old Northwest, old Northwest Territory. And in fact they have George, was it Rogers who was the great conqueror there, one of the great military figures comes out there in the battles of the revolution. So what got you all worked up on this, Nate?

[Nate Morris]

Well, Steve, one of the big reasons why I got in this U.S. senate race here in Kentucky to replace Mitch McConnell is I believe Western civilization is hanging in the balance with everything we do as a country. Steve, you may recall I've called for a full moratorium on any new immigration coming into our country until we deport every single illegal and send them back where they came from. These are some of the policies and some of the vision that we have for this campaign that we are fighting the left to make sure that Western civilization wins. America is the last bastion of Western civilization. We look to Europe and what used to be our allies and our friends. And those countries are gone. We've seen them gone right before our very eyes. And the laugh now is trying to attack America, its founding and even the premise of Thanksgiving. And it really activated me. It activated me and made me enraged that we're allowing this kind of discussion to have in our country. And I think we have to remember that we conquered this nation, Western civilization. We conquered what is North America. And we need to celebrate that. That is a thing to celebrate in this country and not be ashamed of. And we need to focus on our future and how we win in the future and not trying to apologize for the past, not trying to apologize for our heritage, not trying to apologize for what we did to build the greatest country in the history of the world.

[Steve Bannon]

You know, you see it on American Revolution, but if you studied Burns, American Revolution, I mean Kentucky and Ohio and those places just across the mountain range from the from the British colonies on the. Just hanging on the coast. When people got there, they were blown away about the vegetation and the rivers and it was just. And these were the best people in the world. The hearts. They had nothing. They brought everything with them. Talk to me about the folks in Kentucky today. Do they still honor that heritage of, really at the very beginning of the nation, of how prized Kentucky was in Ohio?

[Nate Morris]

Absolutely, Steve. I'm so proud that I'm a ninth generation Kentuckian. And my family, they've worked in the mines, they've worked in the fields, they've been farmers, they've taught in our schools, they've worked in the factories. My family descends from Morgan county, which is right in the heart of central Appalachia. Steve, our people are fighters. We've been fighting since the very beginning, since we came over the Cumberland Gap. And you may recall that famous movie, the Fighting Kentuckian, the John Wayne movie. I used to see that as a kid and get so inspired because you know what I mean, our people, we're going to fight. If anyone ever tried to invade our country, the Kentuckians, we'd be the first ones to sign up and say, we're going to fight to protect what's ours, to protect Kentucky, to protect America. And you see so many of our great citizens that fight our wars, that help build our country, and unfortunately, the left, they want to make us feel bad for our history, for our heritage and for what we've done for this country. And Steve, I've had enough. We're not going to apologize ever again. We should never have to apologize. Apologize, because Western civilization has to win and everything hangs in the balance on who we send to the Senate, on who we send to Washington and ultimately who we elect as president. Thank God for President Trump because he's given Western civilization new life again and protection. And that's what I'm fighting for, Steve. And that's why I want to go to the U.S. senate.

[Steve Bannon]

You know, you mentioned Cumberland Gap, the British, specifically Cumberland Gap, because that's the way to get really from Virginia through the cause West Virginia was part of Virginia at the time, to get through to Kentucky and to Ohio and the Ohio River Valley. They tried to set ordinances up, as Larry said, Dr. Schweiger said earlier, tell people you can't do it. It didn't stop them, the grit, determination and just plain old American cussedness. Those folks kept blowing through the Cumberland Gap, did they? They didn't listen when the British said, no, you can't go There it's kind of after the French and Indian War, it's kind of off limits. Just stay on the coast. They go. Yeah. No, no, no. The tide border aristocracy is not our crowd. We want to take a look over in Kentucky, sir.

[Nate Morris]

That's right. And Steve, you may recall I'm running against a guy that was to the manner born. I mean, this is a silver spoon kind of guy. This doesn't represent what Kentucky's about. We're about fighters, we're about grit. We're about determination. We're about rolling up your sleeves and doing what has to be done to protect and save the country. And we'll take on the silver spoons all day long because the silver spoons. And I'm sure you just saw the Cheney funeral. I looked around at the deep state and I looked around at all the people, the swamp creatures that have nearly destroyed our country. And they didn't have the grit, they didn't have the wherewithal to build like our people have built. And when we're talking about the American working class, we're talking about the people that have done the work in this country and that made it possible for everybody else. These are, Steve, these are the folks that I'm fighting for. That's why I'm in this race. I think about my family, 19 of my family members who worked in an auto plant, they weren't given anything. And so many Kentuckians have that story. And that's why we got to send somebody to the United States Senate who's not a silver spoon and somebody that has that same spirit that came over the Cumberland gap and is ready to fight like a true Kentuckian?

[Steve Bannon]

Nate, where do people go to find out more about you on social media, and particularly where they go about your campaign, to find about your fight against the Mitch McConnell leg legacy that's running against you?

[Nate Morris]

Well, Steve, you know, we're up against the McConnell machine. We're up against 40 years of incumbency. I'm asking all your listeners, go to natemorris.com chip in, make an investment in this campaign. I need your help. The campaign needs your help. And we will defeat Mitch McConnell's machine once and for all right here in the bluegrass with your help. And I'm so grateful, Steve, for all your listeners and all their great support they've given us.

[Steve Bannon]

Sir, thank you very much. Appreciate you. Appreciate you coming, and good luck. Look forward to seeing you in the future.

[Nate Morris]

Thank you, Steve. Happy Thanksgiving.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, brother. Odette's going to take us out Larry Swigert on the other side.

[Odette (singing)]

He has loosed the fateful lightning of his terrible swift sword. His truth is marching on Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. His truth is marching on. I have seen him in the watchfires of a hundred circling camps they have builded him an altar in the evening dews and damps I have read his righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps his truth is marching on Glory, glory, hallelujah Glory, glory, hallelujah Glory, glory, hallelujah his truth is marching.

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[Odette]

We've come to the time in the season when family and friends gather near to offer a prayer of thanksgiving for blessings we've known through the years to join hands and thank the Creator. Now when Thanksgiving is due and this year, when I count my blessings, I'm thanking the Lord he made you. This year when I count my blessings, I'm thanking the Lord, he made you. I'm grateful for the laughter of children, the sun and the wind and the rain, the color of blue in your sweet eyes.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. Dr. Striker, is Nate Morris the Senate candidate in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Is he correct, sir?

[Larry Schweiger]

Is he correct about What? That Mitch McConnell is a kind of undesirable character.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Larry Swigert is one of the very first guys to go for Trump. Give that story. You were one of the first. You were one of the first on the Trump train Back a lot. Many Over a decade, sir.

[Larry Schweiger]

The story was I was a cruiser in February of 2015 and I was at a Young America's event. You've done a number of those talks. I was giving a talk at a Young America's event and YF event and I met Cruz. And let's just say that the interactions I had with him didn't impress me. And shortly thereafter, about a month or so later, when Trump came down the escalator, he was giving a speech here in Arizona. My wife and I are still teaching at the University of Dayton, and we were vacationing out here in Arizona near my parents. And I noticed that they had a special news flash on the television that Trump was scheduled to speak at the Phoenician Resort, but they had to move it to the Arizona Convention Center. Phoenician holds a couple hundred, Arizona Convention center holds thousands. And I thought immediately, wow, the fact that there's this much interest so early in Trump is a very telling moment. And the more I listened to him and he was highlighting illegal immigration as the number one thing in America, first I go, he's the only one talking about this. I think he's got a real shot to win. And when I said that to people like Jonah Goldberg and you know, all of the NRO crowd, they poo, poo, oh, no, never gonna. He'll never be president. And I started following the voter registration totals and the polls and so forth, and I predicted In October of 2016, you can read it in my book, how Trump Won, that Trump would win with between 300 and 320 electoral votes. And I was within four electoral votes of that call.

[Steve Bannon]

Oh, I remember, I remember. So is Nate right, by the way? So you were early on in this. We know, dead right on McConnell. What about this whole thing about this, what their land acknowledgement? I notice a lot of times you watch these left wing things and they get people up there and they take like 30 minutes to say who owns what parcel of land. Is, is Nate's all worked up about that. What your comments, sir?

[Larry Schweiger]

Well, you know, his term that it's a conquest is true. But you have to understand that as we said over and over again in our earlier segments, they were all fighting over land and territory. The Indians were fighting each other over territory. What do you think was going to happen when the last of the Mohicans was gone? The Huron were going to take over the Mohicans hunting lands. So left wingers somehow act like aboriginal tribes or groups that were in some place before the whites arrived somehow are Magically free of this desire for control of land, well, the Zulus invaded half of South Africa and kicked out other tribes so they could control the land there. It's just kind of a natural consequence of human activity and no better or no worse for whites than any other group.

[Steve Bannon]

You've got a very special story you want to tell now about what ties all this together. Why don't you lay it out for the audience?

[Larry Schweiger]

Well, so we've talked about the movement westward, and there was great concern with furs especially. The British had a company called the Hudson Bay Company that was the major competitor to the French fur companies. After the United States became the United States, there was a guy who was selling musical instruments in New York named John Jacob Astor, and somehow he started looking into furs. He heard about it from a friend. You know, they were drinking, and he heard about it from a friend. He said, well, let me look into that. So once one thing led to another, and before too long, Astor created the American Fur Company, operating in many of the same areas where the British were. But they weren't the main competitor. And this is the amazing thing. The biggest competitor in these areas was American monopolistic fur companies that were given fur trading licenses by the US Government. And Astor said, I'm going to put them all out of business. So he developed a huge network of Indians and white, they're called engagis, people who were, you know, traveling fur trappers and salesmen. And they would bring him the furs because he paid more. And to Indians, he also paid in alcohol and guns, which you weren't supposed to do. And in a very short time, by 1819, the American government completely pulled out of the fur trading business, and we ended a government monopoly, largely due to John Jacob Astor, who built a fortune. And then he took it back to New York and he poured it into building, apartment building. Astor is unlike most other big American entrepreneurs, say Carnegie or Rockefeller, in that he didn't give away much of his fortune to charity. He almost stands alone in that way. But he did bring America into the 19th century.

[Steve Bannon]

When you say that, he brought it into the 19th century because the British or the Canadians still gave, just like the British East India Company. I keep saying the revolution wasn't just about the crown and how the crown had corrupted Parliament, but it was also about the monopolistic power they were giving, like to the British East India Company. This is one of the reasons that the freebooters like John Hancock and Sam Adams took particular umbrage with that arrangement. Is the Hudson Bay Company, they were still getting. They still got what? It's a writ from the Crown to have a monopolistic power up in Canada, where they essentially ran Canada, it seemed like, for 100 years.

[Larry Schweiger]

Right. So it was Asker, not only against the US Government, but the British government as well. And he soon came to dominate all that. Yeah, These special licenses and privileges that were given out to the British East India Company, for example, proved to be a major problem for the government. As you know, they had a Tea act that lowered the price of tea. Most Americans don't really understand that the Tea act lowered the price of tea, but it didn't matter because Americans weren't getting their tea from the British anyway. They were getting their tea from smugglers at a much, much, much lower price. So I liken it to the fact that you're on the freeway and let's say the speed limit is 65. But what do most people go? Most people go 70, 75, and the government passes an edict, a law, saying, oh, we're going to allow you to go 67 miles an hour, but we're going to quadruple our enforcement. If we're caught going one mile over 67 miles an hour, we'll throw you in jail for a year. Well, what happens to the overall speeds? They all fall. Because now the penalty for getting caught is not worth the chance of going too much faster. And that's why the colonists revolted. They said, we're just going to throw this tea into the drink and nobody's going to be able to have it.

[Steve Bannon]

Amazing. Larry, I've got a few minutes left in this segment, and then, because I want to play all of Odette's Battle Hymn of the Republic so people can go out with that for the noon hour. Talk to me about the books. Talk to me particularly. First is coming out what, six February. America in the 21st century. What is it about? I know you take, I guess, the first quarter of the century and you want to do a history book about it. What is your angle of attack on this?

[Larry Schweiger]

Well, interestingly, we started the 21st century with a virus, the Y2K virus. That wasn't what it was cracked up to be, in large part because American industry took it seriously and had already fixed their computers by then. For those who don't remember, the Y2K virus was a computer virus, supposedly where computers that only had two numerals, like 99 for 1999 or 98 for 1998. No one knew what was going to happen when it flipped over to a new century. And many insiders were greatly concerned that it would revert to 1900 and that everything would shut down. And I mean, I was hearing horror stories that, you know, the jails were going to open and the Social Security checks weren't going to go out and welfare checks weren't going to go out. Well, anyway, American industry took that very seriously and they fixed it. But we began this 21st century on a virus. And kind of at the end, not quite the end, but in 2020, we pretty much end the first quarter century with a real virus, the China virus or Covid. And it was a world changing event. You know, people say, well, how do you know what's significant in history? And my answer is always that which affects the greatest number of people over the longest period of, of time. And I think almost any observer, even now, only five years later, will say the COVID virus affected a gigantic number of people and will affect them over a large period of time.

[Steve Bannon]

So what in the, in the arc of the story, it is, it's an American perspective. So you've got the Iraq war, you get 9, 11, you got the Iraq war, you got the Afghan war, you have Katrina, you have the financial implosion of 2008, then Obama and then the rise of Donald Trump and of course the fourth turning we've been in since then.

[Larry Schweiger]

Yes. And what. So I deal in a lot of ironies in this book. And another big irony, and you'll remember this quite well, when Obama came out, became president in 2009, there was a view, especially on the left, that he was going to be a, quote, transformative president, that he was going to change our nation, he was going to end racism. Well, actually he made it worse. But he was going to do all these great things, hope and change, and nothing came to pass at all. He passed one major piece of legislation in eight years, which was the failed Obamacare bill. The irony is that in the first quarter of the 21st century, the most transformation, most transformational political figure has been Donald Trump. Far and away. He's changed everything.

[Steve Bannon]

Quite extraordinary. Looking forward. That, that's, that is 6th of February of next year. America in the 21st century. Correct.

[Larry Schweiger]

Correct.

[Steve Bannon]

And when is American biography come out?

[Larry Schweiger]

American biography comes out on Father's Day 2026. You're gonna love it. I mean, just these people's stories are incredible.

[Steve Bannon]

How many, how many total stories? I don't want to give away too much of a book, but just not the names, how many total biographies link the beginning to the current time 100. So great. Only Larry Swiger could do that. Okay, short commercial break. Odette's going to take us out. We're going to come back and wrap up on Thanksgiving Day, a day for giving thanks to God Almighty about your life, your country, your community, your family, all of it. Short break. Back in a moment.

[Odette (singing)]

Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah Glory, glory, hallelujah his truth is marching on I have read a fiery gospel written burnished rows of steel as ye deal with my condemners, so with you my grace shall deal. Let the hero born of woman crush the serpent with his heel. His truth is marching up. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah.

[Odette]

We've come to the time in the season when family and friends gather near to offer a prayer of thanksgiving for blessings we've known through the years to join hands and thank the Creator now when Thanksgiving is due this year when I count my blessings I'm thanking thanking the Lord he made you this year when I count my blessings I'm thanking the Lord he made you I'm grateful for the laughter of children the sun and the wind and the rain the color of blue in your sweet eyes the sight of a highball and train the moon rise over a prairie and oh, love that you've made new.

[Larry Schweiger]

And.

[Odette]

This year when I count my blessings Thanking the Lord he made you.

[Steve Bannon]

This.

[Odette]

Year when I count my blessings I'm thanking the Lord he made you. And when the time comes to be.

[Nate Morris]

Going.

[Odette]

It won't be in sorrow and tears I'll kiss you goodbye and I'll go on the way Grateful for all of the years I Thankful for all that you gave me for teaching me what love can do and Thanksgiving Day for the rest of my life I'm thanking the Lord he made you Thanksgiving Day for the rest of my life I'm thanking the Lord he made you.

[Steve Bannon]

Johnny Cash Thanksgiving the Thanksgiving Song Larry Sweichart where do people go about these new books coming out? You put up history every day. You were the great living American historians. Where does everybody go?

[Larry Schweiger]

You can go to either my two websites, wild worldofhistory.com and as of today, we've got a number of Black Friday sales. Most of them include Patriots history or some of the other books that are out there Right now. We have full curriculum in US History for high schoolers in US in world history. I've just completed a book in government or civics, one semester course. And I'll have a one semester course in economics ready by March. And if you want more political commentary. I follow polls and do a lot of analysis as you know of this kind of stuff. You can find me at the wild world of politics.com where at least three days a week I do today's news and I look at about 40 to 50 different news items, including some pretty weird ones and make some smart ass comments.

[Steve Bannon]

You've got a a puckish sense of humor. Doctor, thank you so much for joining us on Thanksgiving Day. Always love doing this. Thank you sir. Appreciate you.

[Larry Schweiger]

Thanks Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Everybody have a have a great Thanksgiving Day. We're gonna be back tomorrow with our Black Friday special. Got a very, I've got amazing. Sam Tannenhouse is going to join us on Saturday. You're not going to miss this. It's going to be absolutely incredible. I want to thank Denver Real America's Voice, our production team here. We love doing these, doing these special shows. Going to leave you now with Odette. The Battle Hymn of the Republic will take you out for the rest of your Thanksgiving Day, giving thanks to all. Thank you so much. See you tomorrow.

[Odette (singing)]

Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. His truth is marching on. I have seen him in the watchfires of a hundred circling camps they have builded him an altar in the evening dews and damps I have read his righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps his truth is marching on. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. His truth is marching on. I have read a fiery gospel written burnished rows of steel. As ye deal with my condemners, so with you my grace shall deal. Let the hero born of woman crush the seal serpent with his heel. His truth is marching on. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. His truth is marching he has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat. He is sifting out the hearts of men before his judgment seat O be swift my soul to answer O be jubilant to my feet. His truth is marching on. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea With a glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me. As he died to make men holy, let us die to make men free. His truth is marching on. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Glory, glory, hallelujah. His truth is marching on. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord he is trampling out the vengeance where the grapes of wrath are stored. He hath loosed the fateful lightning of his terrible swift sword his truth is marching on.