Bad Examples-Barely Filtered

Summary

Barely Famous: "Bad Examples – Barely Filtered"

Podcast: Barely Famous (PodcastOne)
Host: Kail Lowry
Guests: Tracy DeMarco & Jessica ("Jess Hottie"), co-hosts of the Bad Examples podcast
Date: September 12, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this candid, unfiltered episode, host Kail Lowry welcomes Tracy DeMarco and Jessica ("Jess Hottie"), best known from the reality show Jerseylicious and now co-hosts of the Bad Examples podcast. The trio dive into their shared reality TV roots, the "fakeness" of early reality programming, navigating public judgment and personal relationships, sex and body stories, motherhood, dating after divorce, and the behind-the-scenes truths of life as women in the public eye. No topic is off limits—expect intimate admissions, raunchy humor, and a refreshingly honest take on everything from butt plugs to heartbreak.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Meeting on Reality TV & Early Career Days

[02:10–06:40]

• Tracy and Jessica recount meeting for the first time on Jerseylicious; Jessica was originally an extra, but Tracy advocated for her to be brought back (“I preached her to all the producers… she’s so good.” – Tracy, [02:44]).
• Reflections on their “green” beginnings in reality TV, and how over-produced the scenes actually were:

  “We did it like seven times… the whole show was so fake. Everything was staged.” – Tracy, [03:27]

• The nature of their friendship—rooted in working together, filming, and sharing personal details, but not always socializing outside of their projects.

2. Launching the Bad Examples Podcast

[05:02–05:53]

• Started before podcasts were widely popular, based on Jessica’s instinct that it would become big.
• Their dynamic is compared to "Pinky and the Brain," with Jess steering the content and Tracy reacting in the moment for authenticity.
• Approach: Get genuine reactions over scripted content—a trick learned from reality TV.

3. Impact of Reality TV on Personal Lives

[05:57–06:47]

• Tracy talks about the intrusive impact of fame, even on her family who avoided the spotlight.
• Early internet popularity from MySpace segued into TV fame, podcasting, and social media presence.

  “I was kind of popular on MySpace…” – Tracy, [06:23]

4. Pizza Influencing, Dave Portnoy Encounter, and Origin of "Two Girls, One Slice"

[06:48–11:14]

• Jessica recounts a mortifying meet-cute with Barstool’s Dave Portnoy while filming their pizza review series.

  “I behaved as my mother said… you would have thought Paul McCartney walked in, the way you were behaving. I was so embarrassing.” – Jessica, [07:09]

• Discussion on getting paid for food reviews and why pizza became their niche (“After Covid, I felt like pizzerias needed the boost.” – Tracy, [09:03]).
• Naming origin story: "Two Girls, One Slice," playfully referencing viral internet lingo.

  “I feel like that’s a porn. Two girls one… something. Do not look it up.” – Tracy, [09:30]

5. Candid Sex, Body, & Motherhood Talk

[16:05–20:12]

• Kail and the guests discuss openness on their podcasts about taboo topics—everything from shitting pants to anal sex—emphasizing destigmatizing these conversations for women.

• Hilarious and blunt takes on anal (including hesitations, mishaps, and “pick me” culture):

  “My ex was in my butt… I was like, ‘I don’t know if I like this.’ And he’s like, ‘I never wanted to do this.’” – Kail, [16:53]

• Tracy’s “butt plug tip”: Add glitz to doggy style for aesthetics (“…the smallest one you can get. Butt plug. Diamond.” – Tracy, [19:07])

6. Navigating Divorce, Dating, and Blended Families

[23:00–38:18]

• Tracy’s vulnerable retelling of her recent breakup—her partner’s abrupt exit after promises, and the unique difficulties of dating as a mom.

  “I promised my dogs a backyard…” – the ex, relayed by Jessica, [29:04] “You made promises to four people who believed everything you said. Two dogs are not going to need therapy after this…” – Tracy, [29:15]

• The struggle of trust post-betrayal, how breakups impact kids, and the fear of introducing partners to children.

  “I want love so bad. Like, I want to be in love tomorrow. I want the fairy tale.” – Tracy, [35:52]

• Issues of personal boundaries, public opinion, and judgment—especially around single motherhood and “collecting” baby daddies.

7. Trolls, “Villain” Stereotypes & Public Backlash

[51:23–55:43]

• Tracy's experience being cast as the “villain” and why she's learned to embrace the persona instead of seeking redemption.

  “I could save a child from a burning building and… ‘she could have done it faster’…” – Tracy, [52:58]

• The toxicity of hate-bonding in online communities:

  “Bonding over hating someone where you would have otherwise never been friends is the weirdest fudging energy.” – Tracy, [55:33]

8. Lawsuits, Lisa Frank, and Business Burnout

[42:03–47:14]

• Jessica opens up (as much as she can, due to ongoing litigation) about being part of the Glitter and Greed docuseries, her legal struggles, and being let down by business idols (Lisa Frank).

  “Never meet your idols—it’s a thing, they’ll disappoint you.” – Jessica, [43:17]

• The pain of losing her cosmetics line (Glamour Dolls) and re-finding purpose after professional ruin, compounded by fertility struggles.

9. Motherhood, Mental Load, and Gender Double Standards

[48:07–51:58]

• The taxing emotional labor expected of mothers; double standards in praise and criticism compared to dads.

  “When dads pick up a baby, they're… what an active dad! That's your sperm in your arms!” – Tracy, [49:19]

• Venting the daily challenges mothers and working women face; humor as coping mechanism.

10. Never Have I Ever: Raunchy Lightning Round

[55:51–64:36]

• Hilariously honest “Never Have I Ever,” covering anal mishaps, butt accidents, fake orgasms, nudes gone wrong, and wild hookup stories.
• Tips for faking “wetness” over text (“just spit on your fingers and go like this…” – Tracy, [59:03])
• Candid discussions on long-term relationships, what they wish for in future partners, and the mystery of men who love social media.

11. Recurring Themes: Raw Sisterhood & Realness

• Throughout, the women re-affirm their commitment to radical honesty and connecting with listeners as real people (“Our listeners are our best friends… we connect with them. If you DM us, it's us, not an assistant.” – Jessica, [65:36])
• Owning their flaws and failures as credentials for good advice:

  “Why would you take advice from someone who’s never lived [through] that experience?...We just suck at taking it!” – Tracy & Jessica, [66:02]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I behaved as my mother said… you would have thought Paul McCartney walked in, the way you were behaving. I was so embarrassing.” – Jessica on meeting Dave Portnoy [07:09]

• “Do not look up Two Girls One… anything!” – Tracy on the origins of their pizza review name [09:30]

• “I could save a child from a burning building and… ‘she could have done it faster’…” – Tracy on being the perennial villain [52:58]

• “Pick me energy… Did absolutely nothing for me.” – Kail on women faking enjoyment of anal for male validation [17:46]

• “My ex was in my butt… I was like, ‘I don’t know if I like this.’ And he’s like, ‘I never wanted to do this.’” – Kail [16:53]

• “All you have to do is spit in your fingers and go like this. And it looks like you’re wet and you’re not.” – Tracy’s sexting tip [59:04]

• “Our listeners are our best friends… If you DM us, it's us, not an assistant.” – Jessica [65:36]

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Highlight Timestamps

• [02:10] – The real story of how Tracy & Jessica met on Jerseylicious
• [03:27] – “The show was so fake. Everything was staged.”
• [07:09] – Jessica’s embarrassing run-in with Dave Portnoy
• [09:03] – Why they started pizza reviews after Covid
• [16:21] – Kail’s anal sex story (“He was in my butt and I was like, I don't know if I like this.”)
• [19:07] – Tracy’s “diamond butt plug” advice for doggy style
• [29:04] – “I promised my dogs a backyard.” The wildest breakup line
• [36:48] – Tracy: “That’s your love language.”
• [49:19] – “That’s your sperm in your arms.”
• [55:33] – On troll bonding: “Bonding over hating someone… is the weirdest fudging energy.”
• [59:04] – Faking “wetness” over sexting (“Just spit on your fingers and go like this…”)
• [65:36] – Listeners are like friends; DMs are truly answered by Tracy and Jessica

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Conclusion

In "Bad Examples – Barely Filtered," no subject is taboo. Listeners are treated to the real talk and behind-the-scenes confessions that made Bad Examples a cult favorite: the pitfalls of fame, the grind of motherhood, heartbreak and resilience, and the liberation that comes with being "the villain." The chemistry between Kail, Tracy, and Jessica is marked by unfiltered humor, empathy, and raunchy banter—creating a space where women can laugh, commiserate, and feel unapologetically themselves.

Where to find Tracy & Jessica:

• Bad Examples Podcast: @badexamplespodcast (Instagram)/ Patreon
• Two Girls, One Slice: @twogirlsoneslice (Instagram)
• Tracy: @TracyDeMarco_ (Instagram)
• Jessica: @JessHottie (Instagram)

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End on this note:
"If you DM us, it's us, not an assistant… our listeners are our best friends." – Jessica, [65:36]

Transcript

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[Kristen]

Welcome to the show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain Kale, and you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous podcast. I'm sitting with Tracy and Jessica, the co hosts of the Bad Examples podcast.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I'm very excited to be here. This is, this is wild.

[Alessandra]

This is the collab nobody knew they needed, but everybody needed.

[Kristen]

Well, I'm ready for it and I'm so excited. If you guys don't know who Tracy and Jessica are, they first started on Jerseylicious, which was what year do you guys remember them?

[Tracy DeMarco]

2000. It's 15 years this year.

[Kristen]

So you guys started on Jerseylicious when I started Teen Mom.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yes.

[Kristen]

Roughly the same time. Because I remember.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

When was Teen Mom? What year was she?

[Kristen]

2010. Holy 2009, 2010.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Wow, they were really together.

[Kristen]

The peak of reality for sure. So now you guys have bad examples podcast. But catch me up to where you guys are today and did you guys become friends before the show or after?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Okay, so this is the funniest thing. The first day I ever filmed the show, Jessica came on as an extra and she sat in my chair and I was like, I in love with this girl. I need her to be like an extra on our show all the time. I preached her to all the producers over and over. I was like, you've got to keep bringing that girl back. She's so good. And then they gave her a spin off with.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Do you remember, like before filming, before you knew what filming was like? We were so green to it. Is that the right word? Green or blue? You're green.

[Kristen]

What does that mean?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You're green to something. You don't know.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh, I didn't even know that was.

[Kristen]

A. I never heard of that.

[Alessandra]

Okay, well, I did.

[Kristen]

We're green to this.

[Tracy DeMarco]

You're great.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You're green to green.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You didn't know. Like, you didn't know. And I just remember we're sitting there and they're like, redo it again. And we're like, what the. The do you mean?

[Tracy DeMarco]

We did it like seven times.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

We had no idea.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, oh, the whole show was so fake that everything was staged. It was like, take two, we need to put you back in those outfits because we missed a moment. Like everything was so produced.

[Alessandra]

So produced.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Over produced.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

And.

[Tracy DeMarco]

But I loved her.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

We bonded over that. We were like, what the is this?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

You had not met before?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, no. It was our first day filming and she was just an extra there. And I was like, we gotta bring this girl. You were, bitch, you were a extra.

[Alessandra]

You sat in my chair and then you were such a good extra that they fucking gave you your own show.

[Kristen]

I love being the ancillary cat. I don't want to be the main event.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, but she was, she was so good that they were like, no, we love her.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

We got the.

[Kristen]

You brought. We're brought back.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I call myself the star of the background.

[Alessandra]

You know, that's exactly what you are.

[Kristen]

I love that.

[Alessandra]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

We instantly clicked and love it from. I mean, we've been friends for so long now, it's actually insane. Yeah, but we've only known each other in this like weirdness of our lives.

[Tracy DeMarco]

We don't know each other outside of filming of any kind.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Cuz we've always filmed something.

[Kristen]

But do you guys hang out and you have, like, a relationship outside?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, like, we're at each other's kids parties and stuff, but, like, we're not hanging out. Like, on a Friday, we film and that's it. Like, our relationship is so. Like, she knows everything. I think out of all my friends, she knows the most details about the most everything, like, because I tell her everything.

[Kristen]

But isn't that so weird? Because I feel like. And you guys might be able to relate to this. I feel like so often in this industry, we come across people who we absolutely love, but after you meet them that one time at the event or at the podcast or at whatever you're at, you never speak to them again.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Well, that's why I was so happy that they gave her her own show, because I was like, she deserves this. And then, like, we get to continue doing this. It's so fun.

[Kristen]

So what. What caused you guys or inspired you guys to start Bad Examples? Podcast.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

She did, but we didn't even know what a podcast was. I heard about it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No clue was before podcasts were out. Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, what?

[Alessandra]

We had no idea.

[Tracy DeMarco]

She's like, there's this thing called a podcast. And I'm like, okay, what is that? She's like, I think we need to do it before it get big. Yeah. And I was like, whatever it is, let me know.

[Kristen]

That's so fun. That's how that was me and my first co host started. She was like, do you want to do a podcast? I was like, not really.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No. She's the evil genius behind everything. I'm like, the. It's Pinky in the brain. I am so. You just totally just. I just show up.

[Alessandra]

I am so evil. All I do is. With her. It's so bad.

[Tracy DeMarco]

She doesn't even tell me what we're filming until we're out, though.

[Kristen]

I love that, though, because you need that. It's like the. The Pantser and the Planner.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah. If I learned one thing from reality tv, it was that it's just better.

[Alessandra]

To get, like, the lie.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

The real reaction.

[Kristen]

No, for sure.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

As scripted as it is, you did get raw reaction. I can't say Raw Jersey. It's.

[Alessandra]

Again, that was.

[Kristen]

That should have been one of the reactions.

[Alessandra]

I.

[Kristen]

So how much of your personal life then blew up because of Jerseylicious? Like, you were. Your ex was on there. Your. Your family. Everything was on there.

[Tracy DeMarco]

My family didn't want to be on the show, so they weren't on there. But, like, people go up to my mom at Target, and they're like, oh, my God, you're Tracy's mom. And she's like, I don't even post her that often, so people are really paying attention.

[Kristen]

Did people know who you were before you started the show and that's how they found you?

[Alessandra]

It was so weird because I was.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, kind of popular on MySpace.

[Kristen]

Shut up.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. So people would come up to me on the boardwalk, and they'd be like, are you from MySpace? And then, like, it just, like, continued to Jerseylicious, and now it's two girls, and now it's Bad Examples, and, like, it just keeps happening.

[Kristen]

So for people who don't know, you guys need to go subscribe to Bad Examples podcast, But can we talk about two girls, one slice really quick? And you guys just met David Portnoy or Dave Portnoy?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, she did. Not me.

[Kristen]

Oh, how was he? First of all.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

When I tell you, like, I've done some, like, kind of cool in my life. Yeah, of course I don't care. I'm not as big celebrity, because when.

[Kristen]

I saw it, I was like, oh, they're gonna go to. They're gonna go to barstool.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I.

[Alessandra]

She didn't even mentioned it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I.

[Alessandra]

So stupid.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I. I behaved as my mother said, because my mother's me. She goes, you would have thought Paul McCartney walked in the way you were behav. Lost. I was so embarrassing. I. He asked me. He goes, oh, what are you doing here? And I went, I'm a pizza influencer.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, she was.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

So I called myself I'm so embarrassed influencer. I'm not a pizza influencer.

[Kristen]

You've never done that in your life.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

An influencer. It's the most embarrassing thing you could say about yourself. And he was like, cool. Like, I crumbled. I was so embarrassing. I didn't mention two girls, one slice. Like, we have.

[Tracy DeMarco]

We do do pizza reviews.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I didn't mention that. I didn't mention the podcast. Didn't mention that. I was so embarrassing and cringe. And I'm like, please, God, have them cut it out. I will say offer to pay for his food. Super nice guy. He has what the kids call Riz. Oh, and that Riz.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Jizz.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yes.

[Kristen]

Not the jizz. Wait, is he nice?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

So nice.

[Tracy DeMarco]

He has, like, daddy energy. You know what I mean?

[Kristen]

Okay. But he seems like such a dick online.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, but that's what daddy energy is. It's like, he's like a dick to everybody, except for, like, I feel like.

[Alessandra]

He'D treat his girl really well.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I can't explain that he was sexually.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It was sexually confusing to me because he is not somebody I normally find attractive. And I'm looking at him like, would I fuck Dave Portnoy? Like, maybe. I think so.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. She called me and she was like, bro, Dave is standing next to me.

[Alessandra]

I am such a weirdo.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And also, like, daddy energy.

[Alessandra]

Did you just.

[Kristen]

Do you own the restaurant?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

No, I was reviewing.

[Alessandra]

I was doing it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Literally. She was in the middle of a.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Pizza, and he came in to do his own review.

[Kristen]

Two Girls, One Slice is pizza reviews. And why. Why did you start that? Good.

[Tracy DeMarco]

So, okay, so we. I have been doing restaurant reviews for, like, a really long time now because restaurants will pay you to come and, you know, promote it on. Right?

[Kristen]

Why didn't I know about that?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Right? No, no. They pay you big money for.

[Alessandra]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

To go eat for free and post.

[Kristen]

We do that.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yes.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You should come with us.

[Alessandra]

It's fun.

[Kristen]

Okay.

[Tracy DeMarco]

So then I was like, jess, like, we should be doing this for pizzerias. Because pizzerias, like, after, like, Covid, I felt like they needed, like, the boost. That's why Dave did it. Small businesses. So I was like, we should do this. So we get paid to go to pizzerias, eat their food, and make videos and whatever and post it on our pages. So I was like, let's come up with a name for us. Because all these other people, like, pizza reviewers, they'll have, like, cute little, like, MySpace names.

[Alessandra]

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

So it's like, come. So she asked our following on bad examples, like, what we should come up with. And we got all these ideas or whatever. And she goes, I settled on two Girls, one slice. And I remember being like, I feel like that's a porn. Like, two girls won something. And I looked it up. Do not look it up.

[Kristen]

I abort mission. Never heard about it again.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No. And it's never been talked about because once you do, you'll never be the same.

[Kristen]

No, it'll live. It'll be your Roman Empire.

[Tracy DeMarco]

So now we go by two Girls, one slice. And every time we say it, it's almost like our icebreaker.

[Alessandra]

Because they're like, wow, what a great name.

[Tracy DeMarco]

So they think we're lesbians because they're like, it's. She's got to be. If they're doing Two Girls, one. And I'm like, no, it's just because neither of us can finish a full slice of pizza, so we just share one. Yeah. So we take one bite of every food that we try. Yeah. Two girls on Slice. And now they refer to us as two girls. Oh, that's. Is two girls coming? Like, that's.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Wait. So again, I've done some cool stuff in my life. The pizza re is not supposed to be that cool. I met Chuck E. Cheese with my kids, and a man comes up to me, hey, Jessica. I'm like, yeah. He goes from two girls, one slice. And I'm embarrassing.

[Alessandra]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

You're like, I'm a pizza influencer.

[Alessandra]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Come on.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

Did you make a video with David? Dave. Dave.

[Tracy DeMarco]

He. She was in his review that he does for barstool.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It's so.

[Kristen]

It's so embarrassing. Did you ever talk to him since. Did you get his contact information?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Did I get his contact. I had a lisp. I list.

[Kristen]

You said it with a lisp. I thought you were just joking.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, she was like, I'm a pizza influencer.

[Alessandra]

Like, like, weird.

[Kristen]

Please do it one more time.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, he's like, oh, so what do you do? And I'm like, I eat pizza. Like, I'm here supporting the girls.

[Alessandra]

So stupid.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

And he's just like, okay. Like, he was horrified by me.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Who wouldn't be?

[Alessandra]

I'm horrified that I had to witness it in his personal life.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I did a Runway show with little Kim. Like, I. Yeah, we've done. I did cool shit in my life. Dave Portnet is the one that just. He took her out, took me out. And I'll never be the same. And then for. I couldn't sleep. So I'm like, he'll never be the same because he comes in with the camera.

[Alessandra]

You guys heard it, right?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You know, he follows the pizza. You know, he's got the camera guy.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

So my whole reaction is that camera crew.

[Tracy DeMarco]

The whole crew. No.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah, that's all I'm thinking. I couldn't sleep, and I'm like, oh, my God.

[Kristen]

Sleep at night.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, this took her.

[Kristen]

If you were there, what would you have done?

[Tracy DeMarco]

So cool. I would have been, like, me and him would have been besties by the end of the time. I kept saying to her, I was like, I wish that I was there, just so we didn't look so useless, like. Because I really, like, I don't get weird. I really don't.

[Alessandra]

Like, I was at parties with Kardashians.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Nobody makes me, like, awkward like that. And I feel like Dave is, like, chill. Like, he just wants someone who doesn't make him feel weird.

[Kristen]

And she was like, did you guys like the pizza? Was it good?

[Alessandra]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

Spinach.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

That was the other thing. I'm In North Hailed in New Jersey. Like a place I've never been in my life.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Why would he be there?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

That was what it was.

[Kristen]

Where's he from?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I don't know, but we don't expect.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Oh, don't worry, I did ask him. Yo. It brings you into town. What? What am I. I wish he was joking.

[Kristen]

I want. Can you please say hey fuckers, welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Hey fuckers, welcome to another episode of Barely Famous. What brings you into town? What am I a 50 year old woman that like I have no game? What brings you into town?

[Kristen]

Do I want to deep portnoy?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I don't know.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah, I guess.

[Alessandra]

Why? I have no shot of it. I blew it. Yeah, but in the comments they were like the girl in the back is with the brown hair, is an 8 or a 10 or whatever they were saying about you, like period. Yeah, I would take that, be like I like repost.

[Kristen]

Did he tag you at least?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

He thinks, he thinks I may. I sit at that pizza place and he pizza all day like he has no idea.

[Kristen]

No, we're gonna reach out to him. Listen, David, Dave, Davey, if you're listening, Jessica is more than just a pizza influencer. Yeah, it's fine. He'll know now we're gonna tag him until nobody. Until nobody can deny that he saw it. You know what I mean? All right, let's talk about Higha kids vitamins. Because I started giving these to my kids years ago and now that the twins are two years about to be two years old, they're going to start getting Haya children's vitamins as well. These are kids vitamins and we love them because they're delivered straight to our door. I don't have to think about ordering or adding them to our shopping list. Takes the guesswork out of everything. So Haya fills in the most common gaps in modern children's diets to provide the full body nourishment kids need to grow. And they're formulated with the help of nutritional experts. Haya is pressed with a blend of 12 organic fruits and veggies, then supercharged with 15 essential vitamins and minerals, including vitamin D, B12, zinc, folate and many others to help support immunity, energy, brain function, mood, concentration, teeth, bones and more. I love that about them. But what I love even more is that these vitamins are non gmo, vegan, dairy free, allergy free, gelatin free, nut free and pretty much everything else that you could imagine. But highest designed for kids two and up and sent straight to your door so parents have one less thing to worry about. Like I was saying, the twins birthday is next month. They're going to be on these. I absolutely love that they come in little jars that the kids can decorate with stickers. So I know my twins are going to be obsessed with that as soon as they come to door. I need these to fill in the gaps. I've actually worked out a special deal with Haya for their best selling children's vitamin. You'll get 50% off your first order but to claim this deal you have to go to HIA health.com famous. This deal is not available on their regular website so go to h I y a h l.com famous and get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults.

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[Kristen]

But you guys are so open. On your podcast you talk about everything which is very much on brand for me. I talk about shitting my pants. I talk about anal. I talk about all the things, you know what I mean? And the shitting my pants is not associated with the anal.

[Alessandra]

Okay.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I didn't know because of the anal that you were. No, the anal story is pretty good.

[Kristen]

Okay. Thought I needed to spice up my life. New anal first time, anal second second time. And this time, well, I was. He was in it and I was like I just don't like this isn't for me. And he Goes. I never wanted to do anal.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh. So there was no conversation. There was just like, insert.

[Kristen]

Well, so some like. I was like, let's spice up our life. Let's do anal.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh, okay.

[Kristen]

And he was like, if you want micro talks. He was like, if you like it, I love it kind of thing. And so we did it. And then when we did it and he was in my butt behind me, I was like, I don't know if I like this. And he's like, I never wanted to do.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I never wanted to be here.

[Alessandra]

Thank you so much.

[Kristen]

Oh, wow. But then the. My pants is unrelated.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Okay.

[Kristen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Okay.

[Alessandra]

So thank God for that.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

So I have a question. Because I offered my anal virginity on my wedding night.

[Kristen]

Anal virginity. Alessandra literally just said that she will offer it up on her wedding night, but do you really want to be having anal on your wedding?

[Alessandra]

That's what happened is we got there and we were like, this feels inappropriate. And then I was like.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

We'Ll do.

[Alessandra]

It on the honeymoon.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

And then like, I chickened out on the honeymoon. I couldn't.

[Kristen]

Did he want to do it?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

He was kind of like. He was like, okay, I will do it, but I'm also not. I don't need it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I think guys get weird and nervous to ask for anal, but I really.

[Kristen]

Think that people lie about let liking it. I'm not saying.

[Alessandra]

Oh, no.

[Tracy DeMarco]

She has a friend who strictly like her Bumble account should say anal only.

[Kristen]

I don't believe it. I feel like women are saying that to attract men.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, pick me energy. Yeah.

[Kristen]

Because they, like. I mean, it did absolutely nothing for me.

[Tracy DeMarco]

How'd you get.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

How'd you get it in?

[Kristen]

Like, we used lube. Like, it was expired, but we used it nonetheless.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Who knew?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Lube expired?

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Alessandra]

What does it mean that expires on it?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Louvie?

[Kristen]

I don't know. I don't typically use lube, but we just. It was a gift. Like, someone sent it to me, like, as a brand deal sort of deal.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, I have that.

[Kristen]

And it was expired.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It's in my draw still.

[Alessandra]

I have yet to use it.

[Kristen]

I hope that it isn't bad to use when it's expired. I don't know. I'm like, I don't need a butt fungus or something. I don't know what's going on.

[Alessandra]

Can you please title this episode Butt Fungus?

[Kristen]

I told my best friend that if she eats someone's ass, she'll get E. Coli.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Is that true?

[Kristen]

I also don't know, but I told them.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I told her if it gets too close to your eye, I don't want anything.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Sounds legitimate.

[Kristen]

Yeah. No, no. I'm not into butt play. And so I asked my friend yesterday. I was like, hey, like, what do you think about anal? And he was like, I don't have any interest in that. Like, I'm not into it. So I do think that people are lying about it.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Do you want to know a Tracy hot tip for butt play? I'm so sorry.

[Kristen]

You stick a finger in it first.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, no, I. Okay. So what happened was I learned from men that say that when you are in doggy, that they're literally staring at your. Yes the whole time.

[Kristen]

100. I hope you wiped well.

[Tracy DeMarco]

So no small. The smallest one you can get. Butt plug. Diamond.

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Little pretty.

[Alessandra]

She puts a diamond in her ass.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Because if you're gonna stare at something, it should be, like, listening, glistening. And it shouldn't be the wrinkles of the face.

[Kristen]

Right. Like a wristar face.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Right.

[Kristen]

No, I get that.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Something pretty, like a little rose, maybe. I don't know.

[Kristen]

But do you not feel like you have to poop the whole time?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, no. It's so small. They have, like, different size.

[Kristen]

They have, like, a really skinny one. Should I.

[Tracy DeMarco]

One? Yeah.

[Kristen]

Okay.

[Tracy DeMarco]

You know, just so glimmer it up a little.

[Kristen]

Okay. So do you insert it before doggy, or how does that work? Just so.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, I would. I'll probably just start, like, if I know, like, he's a big doggy guy, I'm like, all right, let's get it in there.

[Kristen]

Like, before you have sex.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

So does he know you're putting it in, or you just like, well, there's.

[Tracy DeMarco]

A diamond in there.

[Kristen]

So should I, like, take a shower, put in the butt plug, and then initiate? Okay. I actually love that.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Just bend it over. Because when he just sees that, he's like, wow, Something nice to look at that. I just feel like there's no way these men are getting turned on by, like, the wrinkles in your bleached or not. There's no way.

[Kristen]

Have you bleached yours?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I haven't. I don't need to, but I don't think that. I feel like a little. A little sparkle never hurt.

[Kristen]

I agree. I would agree with you. I would. And you guys talk about this stuff on your podcast.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

Thank God. Because.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. Because we feel like there's a lot of girls who can't that don't have friends like that, so they need somewhere to talk.

[Kristen]

I don't have zero filter, so people love it or hate It.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. Well, the ones who love it, like, are really thankful that they're like, oh, we spend our drive to work laughing at you guys and, like, being like, yes, girl. Like, and then the other ones are like, unsubscribe. And I'm like, oh, it's okay. We don't want you here anyway because we don't like sensitive.

[Kristen]

True.

[Tracy DeMarco]

We want you to want to listen to our embarrassing sex.

[Kristen]

Have your exes ever used something against you that you've said on the podcast?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, because I really don't think anything that I've said. I don't have text proof of or blatant, like, evidence of. Yeah, Like, I was talking about text.

[Kristen]

Messages before we started recording. And which one of you said that you don't delete text messages?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Her. But I save them and send them to her. Everything I have immediate, immediately, as it happens. I screenshot it and then she.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I went to look for something, a text from me and her phone. They were. There was no text. Dude, she deleted our text because we text all day.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And send. I don't have room in my phone.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I have our text from 2016.

[Tracy DeMarco]

God. Because you're the reason that I did.

[Alessandra]

Well when I needed the receipts.

[Kristen]

That's Kristen. Yeah, literally.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No.

[Kristen]

And Becky, she left. She has every. Like, we've got into a fight in 2020 and we stopped talking for five years. She saved our conversation from that fight. Like, she still has it. And I was like, I am going to jump off that balcony.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Right?

[Kristen]

Yeah, like, probably don't.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Don't ever just delete it now.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Do you delete your text?

[Kristen]

It depends who they're from. I also think that we have to be careful with group chats because that is where the information lies.

[Tracy DeMarco]

So then I don't know who to blame. I often tell one person one thing and then I'll var creation of it to other people just so I could tell who it came from. I also low key for men who have nudes of me. Don't ever post them because I wrote your name really small in the bottom corner. So if you post it, I will sue the out of you for porn because I know which ones are sent to who.

[Kristen]

You can also, if someone sends you an image, you can save it, go to info and see what. How many people they sent it to.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Whoa.

[Kristen]

Yeah, so like if you have a nude and you send it to multiple people and then they turn around and. And save it, they can see how many people it was sent to it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It also could see, like, the date it was taken in the location. Right. Yeah, I know that.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Wait, so some one of your exes sent one of your nudes?

[Kristen]

Yeah. Well, the, the craziest part of this is I didn't even know he took the pictures. But he has no money, so I couldn't sue him.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

That's why I gotta stop messing with.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, broke dick is great, but you can't.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It is.

[Kristen]

Oh my God.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Every time it really does.

[Kristen]

And you're just like, why does it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Have to happen this way?

[Kristen]

Because they have the nothing else going for them.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, it's like God was like, listen, you're gonna be poor, but like you're gonna have fire dick. So like it's a trade off.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Alessandra]

Like fire dick.

[Kristen]

Okay, so catch me up to speed. Where you. You're married?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

You're not married.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I am not.

[Kristen]

That's okay.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Recently broken up with.

[Kristen]

Okay. And we weren't going to talk about it until we got on this podcast. Do you want to talk about it?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I mean, I think because people know that it happened, we can just like lightly brush.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

Yeah, for sure. So I saw him on your social media, I thought y' like this, I didn't even know you guys were together for like a year and a half. I thought you guys were like five years and was like in it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

You know what I mean?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I thought so.

[Kristen]

I know, that sucks.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It's so weird, you know how hard it is because you have kids. Like anybody introduced into your life, like, it's a big deal. So like after Tracy's divorce, it took. I mean, how long you been divorced? Five years.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, it.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I was to meet children is a big deal. Yes.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Trying to date somebody that I knew would be like, like my kids would be safe around, that they would be good for that. Like, I'm like, I don't know. I just like I felt like I tried so hard and then I found somebody that I was like, said all the right things on paper was perfect. Like, and like checked boxes to b. Like to. You know, like when you date, like.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Let'S say you're meeting a guy that like doesn't know who you are. Okay. So Tracy, I know some women won't tell guys till the third date that they have a family or children. Whatever. Tracy, up front, I have kids. This is where I live. This is my life. I'm not having any more kids. I mean, first conversation, it's heavy, but you have to do it right at.

[Tracy DeMarco]

This point, I'm always like, listen, I don't want to make it weird, but, like, just so you know, so you don't waste your time. I never want kids. I'm not having any more. Like, we're not doing that. I have three of my own. You don't want that. No problem. Enjoy dating. But, like, not me.

[Kristen]

I. I actually respect it. I understand the mentality of waiting until the third, fourth date, but for me, I have to say it right up front. Right.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Well, also, like, Google me for two seconds and you're gonna find out anyways. Why would I not just tell you?

[Kristen]

Right? Because you don't want someone Googling or, like, sending the. You don't want him to send you to the group chat, and they're like, wait, you don't know who she is? And then they tell her.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Right?

[Kristen]

Yeah, I get that.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I try not to mention, like. Like, when they're like, oh, do you have social media? I'm like, let's wait on that. Because, like, I don't want you being like, oh, I like her because of that. But I do, like, line up the kids real quick.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And, like, I have, like, three. I'm not giving details about my kids, but I'm like, I have three kids I do not want anymore. And that's it. Just so you know.

[Kristen]

So it was going well.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It was going, like, amazing. My family loved him. His family loved me. We were all in. Like, all in. He was telling me, like. Like, this is forever. Like, we started a business together. And I said to him, like, I'm not gonna jump into a business with somebody if this is not forever, so please just make sure you know for sure before we do this. And he was like, I'm not going anywhere. Blah, blah, blah. Worked forever. Whatever promised me up and down, left and right. I'm gonna move closer to you. The trigger for me. He. He took me out for my birthday and wrote me, like, nine promises. I promise to always protect your daughters. I promise to help Julian be a father that he'd, like, be proud of. I promise to never make promises I can't keep.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Oh, you're making me ill. You're making me physically ill.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Literally. I was like. I was just feeling like something was a little off. My grandmother had just died. Stood up with my family at the funeral. Stood up with my family. Literal.

[Kristen]

Literal.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And then I was like. I just felt like something was off. So I was like, maybe I'm just really emotional from, like, my grandma dying, so let me just bring it. I'm like, listen, I feel like something's a little off with You. I can't figure it out. Maybe I'm being emotional. Just tell me, like, no, everything's fine, and I'll move along. And then he hits me with. Well, if I'm being honest. And I felt everything in my body shut down. And, like, I'm a very combative person. But with him, I was so subdued, so submissive, so understanding. Never raised my voice. Like, I just. Because I was like, if you don't disrespect me, I'm not going to disrespect you. Like, I will match your energy 100%. And he was like, well, every time I come to Jersey, I hate it more. I don't like being there. I hate the traffic, I hate the people. I hate the this. I don't like the anything.

[Kristen]

Where did he live?

[Tracy DeMarco]

He lived upstate New York. Yeah.

[Kristen]

Okay.

[Tracy DeMarco]

He lived upstate. So quiet, small town, a little bit of an older community.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Super desirable.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It's like, you would have to skin me alive before I moved to a place like that. No offense to anybody that lives upstate. Me, as a outgoing person, I would physically die there. There rot. I would rot in my house. Like, I can't understand it.

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[Tracy DeMarco]

Was like, I never want to live there. And I'm like, but you've been promising me since the day we met you're gonna move here. Like, how can I be with you if you're not gonna move here? And he was basically like, I don't know what you want me to tell you. It's just not for me. There was never. And I'm so sorry for dragging you along. There was never empathy. There was never emotion.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

May I?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I call it the post it note breakup. Because it wasn't just, I don't want to move there. He. Can I say it?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I don't know where you're gonna.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

The dogs.

[Kristen]

We can edit it out if you.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Don'T said, I promised my dogs a backyard.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Take it in.

[Alessandra]

Okay.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I promised my dogs. I said to him back, you know they don't speak English, right? Because I didn't have an answer for that.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You made promises.

[Kristen]

Human beings.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, I said. I was like, you also made. Prom is to four people who believed everything you said. Two dogs are not going to need therapy after this if you don't give them a backyard.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

He got her a promise ring, like, less than a promise ring two months ago. Called me, I'm getting her this promise ring. And I'm like, yeah, it. I think it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It was sweet. It was sweet because you didn't have.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Kids, but it's sweet because he meant to your children.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Also, I'm an overthinker, and I need a lot of reassurance. So I think he felt like if I give this to her, it's a constant reminder every time she looks at it until we're at that point and the goals.

[Kristen]

It's interesting.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And I don't want to rush an engagement. That's not what I was looking for.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

She asking for any of this? She didn't ask for the promise ring. It was him. Like, I want to be the father Julian never had.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

He has no male role models in his life. And he.

[Kristen]

Literal chills.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

He promised to be that I don't want. I could cry, right? I'm not gonna cry, but I could cry, like, because it's. You don't Do.

[Tracy DeMarco]

You know, I was so careful.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Kids. And she. And you did everything right.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I know people are gonna be like.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Why did you know you did Everything right this time. And I like same. And I liked him because his energy, like, they were yin and yang. Like, he was so chill.

[Apartments.com Advertiser]

Whatever, whatever.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

But, like, that conversation when he said, like, he wasn't gonna move the children. Not brought up once. Not once during the breakup conversation, not once did he say, you know what? I love those children and I'm so sorry. I will talk to them.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, I will sit down with them.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

And tell them, like, sometimes things happen, but they weren't brought up once. Hell, and he knows everything she goes through with the baby daddy. Like, he knows everything. And the coldness of it was scary.

[Kristen]

When was he gonna tell you if you didn't say something?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Bingo.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Bingo. Ready? I said to him, when were you planning on telling me this? And he said, and I quote, indirect quotes. I wasn't going to. I was just going to ride it out. So you were just going to continue to lie to me until it inevitably. I was like, hey, like, give you an ultimatum. Like, when were you going to tell? Like, I was so blindsided. I. I just. I don't. I can't even put into words. I was like, this was my husband. I. I was so clear about not posting him for so long.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Wrong.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Because I was like, I'm not posting you until I'm sure. And then when I did, he was like, he gained like 6, 000 followers from it, as you would like, you know, And I kept thinking, like, there's no way that's why he's in it. But then, like, we broke up three days later, he wiped me from his Instagram like I never existed. And now, like, on Bumble, he's back on Bumble. Not just on Bumble, because anybody could be back on Bumble after a thing. You Photoshopped me out of all of your Bumble pictures. So you have photos of health, but you chose to use the photos of me and you together. And like, this is not an easy Photoshop. He recreated doors in the background.

[Kristen]

No, like, I know you're lying.

[Tracy DeMarco]

He re made a new arm for himself in one of them. I was like, yo, this took energy out of your life. Like, you consciously sat there and were like, oh, let me take all of the photos me and you have and use them.

[Kristen]

I feel like. And I'm speaking from experience, anytime that I've done something like that where I immediately start dating someone else, it's because I already had chemistry with someone before we broke up. And so immediately, immediately following that relationship, I was able to get into another one. Do you think that There could have been someone else.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I actually don't. And the reason I don't think there was anybody else is because he went to work and went home and wanted no socialization. He was not a social person. Okay, like even me going out to like offering like let's go on a double date. His response would be, well, just because your friend has a husband doesn't mean I'm going to be best friends with him. And I would say though, like hey, but you are going to have to be around people for like. I feel like he got so used to used to being with him and his dogs alone in the house that that's all he ever wanted. And like low key was trying to get out of that with me. Maybe it's like, I don't know what it is. It's something that needs to be addressed. I feel like it's the situation and the coldness to which it ended. Needs is undiagnosed for sure. Something is wrong.

[Kristen]

You can't invest 18 months almost with someone and just cut them off like that and say I was never gonna tell you.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I was never gonna tell you wild.

[Kristen]

I promise. My dog's backyard is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I didn't even know how to respond to it. It cuz I was like, you know they don't speak English.

[Kristen]

Was, was it.

[Alessandra]

She literally said that.

[Kristen]

Was it in person?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, it was over the phone. Cuz I had just been like, hey, I feel like you're off. Is everything okay? Like we were on FaceTime and he was basically like, you know, whatever. It is what it is. And it was very. There was never. I never got an I'm sorry.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

No ever.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Not in the whole conversation.

[Kristen]

So how do you take that and explain it to the kids?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I only told my oldest daughter because I was on the phone with him five times on FaceTime a day and like now they're starting to pick up that I'm not on the phone with him anymore. And so my oldest was like, are you okay? Something wrong? And I was like, listen, I have to talk to you about something. We're no longer together. And she was like, what? Like the way this child transformed into from 9 to like 16. Like in the response that she gave, she's like, bet un removed him from her pinned conversations in her phone because they talked, you know, and like was just like no problem, unfollowed him. She's like, I don't want anything to do with him now. And I was like, this is trauma. That I feel like you're going to experience later on in life because you really thought and I really thought, but I haven't told the other ones yet because I don't want to break them. And my little one is still talking about him.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

And this is what. Like, this is what he knew, that these children were abandoned essentially by their father. They haven't seen their father in how long. Right. And he knows. So he came in, pretended to be this hero, and then to leave the same way the dad did, to put them through the same thing again. And then I said to Tracy, like, how do you trust after this? Because she did everything right.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Right.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, she was honest. These are my needs. These are my wants. Wants. So you did everything right, and it's. How do you trust again? Because he verbally. He gave you everything you wanted to hear.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. It wasn't just on paper.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, where do you go from here? I. I don't know. And I don't know. And it's just the broken, like, it. As a married woman, I'm like, Like, I'm. Do I look at my husband's phone right now? Like, I. I don't trust anybody anymore.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, no.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

He broke my trust in people. Like, I don't know.

[Kristen]

Well, it's one of those things, too. I talk about it on my podcast all the time, is like, when to introduce somebody to your children. And when you go this. And it. It's sort of. It's a blessing and a curse. Right. Because we're glad that you didn't go through years and years and years with this person for him to just ride it out. You don't love me then. Or what is what is going on. Right. But then the other side of it is if you were to meet somebody else who is serious about you, at what point do you know it's serious enough to. To invite them into your children's lives? You wait until you have a ring.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

Do you wait until an engagement ring? But at then, at that point, it's like, what if they don't like him?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Right.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, I. So you.

[Kristen]

How do you balance?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I'm terrified. I'm terrified to anybody.

[Kristen]

No. And. And rightfully so. And I know that it's so fresh that we shouldn't be thinking about your next relationship. But. But when you're a mom, you have to think like that.

[Tracy DeMarco]

But you know what? It is like, I. I come off so cold. I really do. And I'm the first person to be like, I don't make love. I don't do Any of that, right? I. I ski the word. I skip the word. But I am such a romantic. All I want is, like, I feel like I believe in love because of the way I love, like, and I want to give that so bad. So, like, people are like, you know, do you want to be in love again? Just not right now? And I'm like, no, I want to be in love tomorrow. Like, I want that so bad that, like. Like, I don't know when it's going to happen, but, like, I want it to be like, I want the fairy tale.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And, like, I really do love all that mushy stuff. Like, anybody that's super corny, sign me up. I love it. I love it. I want you to text me good morning and good night and, like, check on me in the day. And, like, I like the attention. I want you to touch on me all the time. I love that you. Yeah. I want you to be kissing on me. Like, I love that. If you're not doing that, I feel like they're. I'm unattractive to you.

[Kristen]

That's your love language.

[Tracy DeMarco]

That's what I need.

[Kristen]

Like, well, if anyone is serious and likes Tracy and. And. And want.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Do you like bigger children?

[Kristen]

Loves big tits. That's your girl.

[Alessandra]

So then I'm like, what the is now? Every time I look at a man, I'm like, oh, he looks undiagnosed. That man definitely likes children. Like, I'm, like, terrified of every man now.

[Kristen]

Would you date men with children? Children?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. I mean, the thing is, my son is deaf and legally blind, so, like, he is not. Not that the girls are not, but he is such a priority to me. Like, I never want to, like, try so hard to get other children to like us or fit or whatever that, like, it doesn't blend properly. I would obviously prefer not, but if I would open to anybody, because I can't expect people to accept me with children and me not accept them with children. It's. It's a lot. Because you're a blended family is really hard. The kids could hate each other. The kids could resent each other for you being anything. It's very. Dealing with emotional children and, like, especially ones who have seen neglect in their life, I feel like, is wild.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

But are you going to have any more kids? That's. That's the problem is that a lot of these people, these guys, they're young. They want families of their own.

[Kristen]

Baby daddy.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You keep doing.

[Alessandra]

You're collecting them like super bowl rings, Pokemon.

[Kristen]

People get so upset about it, but I'm like. Because I end it when I don't feel like the relationship serves me anymore.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Or anybody to be upset of. You're setting boundaries.

[Kristen]

But at the point that it gets to like, okay, we're at 2, 3, 4. I should also not be having children with them. So it's like, oh, catch 22.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. I mean, but that's your life. So whoever has an opinion about it, if it doesn't bother you, who the.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Cares and your kids don't care. You let you.

[Tracy DeMarco]

You're like, they're getting more and more family every time you do that. So it's like they have to be excited to be like, oh my God, I get another sibling or whatever. Like, they're not gonna look at it like, oh, we don't have the same dad. They could not care less.

[Kristen]

They don't know any different.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Whatever you.

[Kristen]

There's everyone else more than us.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

No.

[Kristen]

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[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It'S. It's hard being a a single parent.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Dating is a insane. I never knew dating pool.

[Kristen]

Would you ever go on Raya?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I'M on a waiting list, bro.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

How are you on a waiting list?

[Alessandra]

Why don't we.

[Kristen]

We should pitch a reality.

[Tracy DeMarco]

You won't accept me. Am I not good enough for you?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

They've asked her to do dating shows.

[Tracy DeMarco]

She won't do them.

[Kristen]

You won't.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

She wants, like, control.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, because I feel like men really, like, nowadays, men want. It's disturbing how men want to be treated like princesses so badly. Like, they want to be famous so badly.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And it's so weird to me, the second a guy says to me, like, oh, what, you got a lot of followers on Instagram? I'm instantly turned off.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Because I'm like, ew. Like, you're such a skeev. Like, you're definitely the guy in every girl's likes because all you care about is social media. I need a guy who's, like, so boring that he doesn't post anything.

[Kristen]

How about a woman?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, I say this all the time. I just said it to my cousin. I'm like. She's like, I'm so sorry about Anthony. And I was like, no, it's fine. I'm a lesbian now. And she was like, no, the.

[Alessandra]

You know, I'm like, I know. I wish. I wish.

[Kristen]

I don't know.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, I feel like it's so much easier. I see all these happy lesbians, and I'm like, this is all them.

[Kristen]

All the lesbians in this room are like, no.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Happy.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I feel like it's just the. It's dick. Dick is making you stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Stigmatizing is such a thing.

[Kristen]

I know. I know it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I'm so pro dick. I hate it. I hate it. I love that big, giant, masculine energy. Like, I love that.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, where are you going with this?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I love all big, giant dick. Yeah.

[Kristen]

I was like, oh, that's not fitting in your butt.

[Alessandra]

No, it is not. Exit only. This is not an entry.

[Kristen]

I can't. Okay, Jessica, can we talk about a lip? Just touch on it, dust on it. A little. Little glitter and greed. I know. Sprinkle, you're in the middle of a lawsuit, so we can't say much, but people may recognize you from glittering and greed.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, it's.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It's crazy because we have so many other things going on, and people are like, did I just see you on.

[Alessandra]

A Prime docu series? And I'm like, yeah, you did.

[Kristen]

I have not watched it because I don't want to hurt my own feelings, but I knew about it. We talked about it on my other podcast. My co host watched It.

[Alessandra]

Did you?

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Alessandra]

Did you watch it?

[Kristen]

She watched it and I told her, I said, I'm not watching it. We were, were just devastated. We were absolutely devastated because we've always talked about Lisa Frank throughout the years. We've had the podcast since 2017, and we've always talked about Lisa Frank because as a child, I never could afford it. So I bought all this for my daughter, like, backpacks, wallet. I bought all this stuff thinking, oh, my God, she can use it. Even though, like, I know that Lisa Frank was like, not a thing for years and years, but I bought all.

[Alessandra]

This stuff for us.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It was, it never stopped.

[Kristen]

No, it never stopped for all of us.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

So I bought like the alien backpack. And like, I still have them, but.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It'S hard to get. I, I feel your pain. Because the reason that I wanted to work with her is because she was a role model to me, like, especially back then, like, to be a woman entrepreneur. So successful. And, you know, she's an artist like me. I was like, gosh, the first time I met her. Are you kidding me? I, I, Lisa Frank. And she's a real. And she's a real person. Like, yeah, crazy.

[Tracy DeMarco]

They never meet your idols.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It's a thing. It's a thing. They'll disappoint you. They'll disappoint you. And I hate. I have seen like a lot of the comments. Like, I like you. I won't watch it. I don't want it to be ruined for me. And I get it. I get it. But that being said, you guys should watch the documentary on Prime.

[Kristen]

It's on Prime.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Think for yourself. See for yourself. What is it? But we are in the middle. We're like pre trial shit right now. So I really can't talk about it. But when I can, I do have a lot to say. A lot of tea to spill. I'd love to do it here. I also have some thoughts about Morphe.

[Kristen]

And you got a makeup girly right here. So I don't know much about Morphe. I don't know much about anything in the beauty industry. Industry. So you don't. No.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You're so pretty.

[Kristen]

Oh, it's because of Stevie and the other girls. I don't do this. I just, I hate that that's where we are today is like finding out people that we love and were inspirations to us growing up. And we have such high hopes and then they let us down so hard. And that's like everyone's childhood. I feel like every anyone I knew that grew up around our ages. Loved Lisa Frank. Even now, I just sold crocs on Poshmark and Posh Peanut, did the pajama line with Lisa Frank and I bought that for my daughter. And I. And I just. It's so hard.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I will say it is a crazy story. It is a crazy chapter of my life that it ruined me for a long time. Like, I was in a really, really bad place. Like a really bad place financially, mentally, everything. I mean, I didn't. Like, where do you, you know, when you're a creative person, you put all your energy into something and then it gets just overnight taken away from you. You're like, where do I go from here? What am I good at? What am I? You know, who am I really? It's like a.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Somebody who has that much power takes everything you love away from you. There's nowhere to go except for looking what you have left. And that's the most devastating thing because they could not care less.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

And my makeup line, like glamor dolls, is my baby. Like, I said this like, I am an older mom and I am an older mom because I was like, I can't do both. Like, I'm a businesswoman. Like, I really didn't think you could do both. Like, now I know better and I'm. But then I was like, no, I can't. That would be a distraction. Like, I put my life, my world into this, you know, to the point where I, like, help put. Push my family back, which, as you all saw, did not turn out well because it took me a long time to get pregnant and start my family. So it's all, like, it kills me. It kills me. But I do want to come back and tell you more about it because absolutely. You know, like I said, we're pre trial stuff. I have an attorney now, so I.

[Kristen]

Have high hopes that you'll be able to bring back glamour dolls at some point, if that's what you want to do.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

That would. Amazing. And so many, like, social media has been so nice. They were like, we will support you. Like, it has been amazing. Like, the, the story has turned. It's been nice to tell my side because, you know, for the longest time, I don't even think you knew. Really.

[Tracy DeMarco]

You wouldn't, you wouldn't tell me because you were like, I just can't talk.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I couldn't talk.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It's so draining. But, like, I still, in my makeup kit, have Athena, Like, I live for this color, this shadow, Athena. I lived in it. And I, I won't Let it go. And the kitty kisses is like, my kids still use her lipsticks because they're like. It was such great quality. It was so good, and we loved it. You need to bring back.

[Kristen]

You need to bring back, like, a pizza palette or bring. When you bring back glamour dolls, do, like, a pizza.

[Alessandra]

Do we have to copy that right that before we leave this. Does my lipstick smell like pepperoni? You're making out with a guy. Like, did you see the pizza? The grease on your lips? Yes, it is.

[Kristen]

I mean.

[Alessandra]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen]

Oh, that would be awesome. Oh, I love that. Well, you guys could do a collab. A Jersey themed one. Pizza, pizza collab. There's so much, so much you could do with it. It just sucks because, like, when you get, like you were saying, when everything is ripped from you, you don't have a choice. You kind of have to look at the pieces and decide, am I gonna try to put back together what I can or do I start over or do I not bring it back at all? And that's really hard.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It's crazy because I thought that was, like, the, like, worst thing that's ever happened to me. And then, like, building my family. Family and like, having fertility issues, like, that became. Don't cry. What is wrong with you? I can't even say it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I know it was hard watching you through that because it was like she was the girl who never. She was like, I don't really want kids. And then all of a sudden, podcast.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Episode, I was like, how do you have kids? What do you feed them? Like, I don't know.

[Kristen]

Pizza?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, no. She literally is like, so when it comes to all that and all of a sudden, like, she's the best mom ever. It's wild to watch. Who am I so wild. I don't know. I tell you all the time, I have no clue who you are. Every time she like, Joel.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Thank you, Kristen.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Paper towel, though.

[Alessandra]

Really?

[Kristen]

Sorry, Sorry. That's all we had.

[Alessandra]

Let me just dly get my eye eyes with his paper towel.

[Kristen]

That was me. I've been crying all week, so I completely understand. I. I just. I hate that for you because also going through fertility issues is a whole other can of worms. And so in the midst of everything, you're like, what the. Where do I go from here? Yeah, where do I go?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Are you okay?

[Kristen]

I'm okay. Can we talk about if you're okay?

[Alessandra]

Are you okay?

[Kristen]

I don't have a cry log like Becky does, but I do cry a lot. Yeah. How did you guys feel about that? Would you ever make one of those? Cryog, Crylog.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I would be overwhelmed. I struggle to keep three kids alive every day.

[Alessandra]

Cryog just seems like a part of that survival technique. Three o', clock, when the kids come home, cryog begins. Yeah, it's like, when does it begin? Every day I see a pattern here. Like I said, she starts crying all day. You know how she keeps the log of like, what she was doing? It's just like made eye contact with a child, like, cry.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

So there's such a devil.

[Alessandra]

Like, I am so grateful and blessed to like, have children, a family. But then like, sometimes it just like, why?

[Kristen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And kids will test us and make us cry all in one day.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

All I wanted tonight was just like, time to get ready. Like, yeah, give me 20 minutes to just be my own person. And I'm curling my hair with the baby on my hip. Like one handed, curling. Like, she's attached to me. What am I supposed to do? Do? Like, I need to be a person and a mom. How are you supposed to do it all? It really is hard. Like, we live in a really crazy age where we're supposed to do it all and, like, nobody even bats. And I just. What we're supposed to do.

[Kristen]

But they don't ask dads to do that. They're not asking.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Nobody's asking dad when they do anything.

[Kristen]

Oh, my God.

[Tracy DeMarco]

When they touch a baby, pick them up. They're what? What an active dad. And I'm like, bro, that's your sperm in your arms. Get it together and take care of it.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I, I seen a thing that was like, you take your kids to McDonald's and everyone, everyone's like, oh, God, you're the worst mom. Dad does, he's so fun. Like, he's the best fun dad. It's just, it's different. And, and you know, this morning was the. I was like having a mental breakdown because I.

[Alessandra]

Can I just get ready? I was like, are you okay? She's like, tracy, I'm having the worst day. I'm in the worst mood.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And I'm like, wrap it up, wrap it up.

[Alessandra]

We're gonna, we're gonna prioritize. First we're gonna get dressed, then we're.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Gonna, then we're gonna pack our bags. Then you're gonna come back and do your hair after and you're gonna do your makeup in the car.

[Alessandra]

Literally. I had to like, step her through it. She's like, okay, I'm in a better mood now. See you later.

[Kristen]

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[Tracy DeMarco]

I don't. I never.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I'm very lucky. I have my parents, my in laws, everybody. It's a rotating cast of characters in my home.

[Kristen]

Rotating cast of characters is a really good way to put it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

Okay.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I'm not against them. I love one.

[Tracy DeMarco]

My parents live a little bit far, so we visit them every weekend because I like, you know, my parents are very young still, so they're active and they want to do stuff with my kids. So I'm like, I'm gonna take advantage of that now. I want them to remember them as like super involved for their grandparents for sure. But, like, I don't have any help during the week. None.

[Kristen]

Have you seen people on social media talk, like, rip people to shreds for having nannies?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I don't pay attention to any of that. I'm very good at like, of like, I have a really thick skin, so anything they say, I'm like, I basically laugh at and block them sometimes. If, like, they catch me in a mood, I'll give them, like, something that I get, you know, like, flagged for.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Are people Pretending like if they couldn't afford a nanny, they wouldn't do it.

[Kristen]

Because of course they are 100%. Because I have child care at my house from 9 to 4.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

Consider it a nanny.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Right.

[Kristen]

But after 4 o', clock, she goes home and I don't have help on the weekends. But people think that I do everything that I do. But that would be daycare hours. Like I have.

[Tracy DeMarco]

You just have daycare in your house?

[Kristen]

Correct. And I get ripped to shreds. So I didn't know if you guys also experienced that.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

But I also do, though, when you're.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I get ripped all day.

[Kristen]

Why though? For what?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Because you're with your parents or.

[Tracy DeMarco]

The way my kids dress. The way I. Well, like, apparently, like bathed, well fed and dressed. If it's like something inappropriate, dress. Like my kids are in cheer. They live in shorts and a crop top, like sports bra. That's like what they wear. And then I'll bring them out and get them a thing of ice cream. And they're like, wow, she really brought them to get ice cream in a crop top. And I'm like, we're on our way to cheer. Like, I don't really. Those. That is the attire for cheer, like, and everything. The. The wrong dress. She looks too mature.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

No matter what I do, Tracy was the villain.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I am the villain of my show. I could be the best mom ever. I could save a child from a Bernie building. And it was like, well, she could have done it faster or she could have saved other things, memories that she didn't get for the family. Like, it doesn't matter what I do. I'm always going to be the bad guy.

[Kristen]

Do you feel like you want the redemption story or do you not?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, I don't care. I don't really care. You have to just be like, beat down. Yeah. I've been beat down for so long that I think I'm just numbing.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It's not a great place to be.

[Kristen]

I think it's really to, like, internalize the villain story. And so I was basically speaking it into existence where. Where the villains. The villain's story was not. It was created for me.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I didn't do that.

[Kristen]

And so then I was pigeonholed there. And so then I became the villain because I was the villain for so long.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Right.

[Kristen]

And I don't know how to like, redeem myself, I guess, or how to talk myself out of it. I don't know. So I just wondered if. Do I just get used to it and just.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I'm Always. Like, I was silenced for a long time as a child from, like, an incident that I dealt with for a really long time, and I didn't say anything. And the second that man died, I was so vocal and rude and nasty to everybody who tried me. So, like, I naturally became the villain because I was like, I'll never be quieted again. Like, that's not gonna happen to me.

[Kristen]

Right?

[Tracy DeMarco]

So now, like, they're like, oh, my mom. She's like, oh, you're so abrasive. Like, it doesn't. You don't have to be nasty about it. I'm like, no, nasty is how I survive, because I need people to know. Like, I am not the one. I'm not the two, and I'm not the three. Like, find somebody else. Go play where it's safe. I'm not it. Like, and because that man died, I then had this, like, drunk with power, and I ran with it. And so I'm instantly the villain because I have a mouth. I have a voice. I'm not gonna let anybody push me around. So I'm always the villain. Even my friends. Like, if there was, like, something went wrong in a. In a relationship relationship, even if that girl did what was wrong, I am somehow the reason that the relationship failed because I'm the natural. Go to villain.

[Kristen]

I feel like we're so aligned there.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. And I just don't care. I don't care anymore. I'm like, go ahead. Think whatever the you want to think, and think it again, because I don't care. Whatever you want. Whatever works for you. Like, whatever helps you sleep at night. Following me is crazy because I'm like, these people. Like, don't you have a husband to go or a child to, like, change a diaper of? And you're on Instagram watching my every move and then writing, rewriting about it.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It.

[Tracy DeMarco]

And then collecting friends who also hate me. Like, that's the weird, sociopathic. Like, I need these people to, like, refill their meds immediately.

[Kristen]

Bonding over hating someone where you would have otherwise never been friends before, ever. You would probably would have never talked. You don't like each other. You've talked about each other. But now that you bonding, you're bonding over hating me is the weirdest fudgeing energy.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It's so scary because it's like, these are the people that are, like, out and about in the world. Like, it's so weird.

[Kristen]

Okay, I want to play a game.

[Alessandra]

Yes.

[Kristen]

Never have I ever.

[Alessandra]

Oh, I lose this every time.

[Kristen]

So I didn't Put these questions together so they're gonna be as surprising for me as they are for you.

[Alessandra]

It's okay.

[Kristen]

Okay. Do we put out five hands? I mean, five fingers.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh, ten fingers. Oh, ten.

[Alessandra]

Oh, boy.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Just let Tracy win.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, I'm gonna lose is the problem.

[Alessandra]

You're gonna win. Oh, okay. I got the game.

[Kristen]

Never have I ever tried it in the back door at least once. You've never tried anal?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No.

[Kristen]

Are you kidding me? We just had a whole conversation about it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, no. So what I did was I just.

[Alessandra]

Just the tip, like prom night, and.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Then let him come in my ass. But I didn't.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Oh, my God. Put your finger down.

[Tracy DeMarco]

That's not your. That's not the same. He wasn't fully in, but.

[Kristen]

So wait, are we letting them finish in our butt? Like, they just slip it in?

[Tracy DeMarco]

I just. I was not on birth control at the time, and I thought it was a solvable solution, so I was like.

[Alessandra]

Let'S try it one time.

[Kristen]

No, no, no.

[Alessandra]

And I was like, all right, this isn't awful.

[Tracy DeMarco]

But it was a lot. Only just that, like, little, you know, just the tip.

[Kristen]

Like, Tracy, I want to know, how does that work? Because I don't think anyone I've ever been with in my entire life would have enough time to come in your ass. To come in my ass. To pull it out and slip it in the way that my would rip wide open if they went such a.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Little, like, Right, like, what's it.

[Kristen]

No, the tip is the worst part.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh, well, that's all I got in.

[Alessandra]

That's why I say, put your finger down.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Okay.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I need you here when I record.

[Alessandra]

Because she never would have put her finger down. That counts as a finger down. The way the casualness of Became in my.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Okay.

[Kristen]

Just so nonchalant.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah, like, we would just like, oh.

[Alessandra]

Look at the blue sky. He came in my ass.

[Kristen]

Came in my ass. My pants as an adult.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen]

Oh, thank God.

[Alessandra]

I was driving home with my kids, and I was like, guys, this is gonna be a problem.

[Kristen]

Did they rat you out to your camera crew? Because that's what mine did.

[Alessandra]

No, I literally just ratted myself about just now.

[Kristen]

I myself in jeans like that. Could you imagine the coming out of the ribs? Okay. Faked an orgasm because I had to do.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, I don't fake anything. If you suck, I'm gonna boo in your ear.

[Kristen]

Oh, boo.

[Alessandra]

Do better.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I'm not faking anything.

[Kristen]

Sent nudes to the wrong person.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Oh, yeah, you've done that.

[Kristen]

Who did you send them to on Accident. Accident.

[Tracy DeMarco]

The wrong guy that I was texting.

[Alessandra]

And he was like, oh, this is a surprise. Just ask me for them. And he's like, no. And I was like, lol. I was just joking.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Okay, Tio. Okay, you sent. Who was it? Just take a step back. You sent nudes to the wrong guy. Then you had to do a whole thing with your fingers anywhere on the highway in the car. What was that story?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, no, no. I sent a screenshot of a conversation I. I had to my ex husband.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Oh, and then why'd you pretend to be fingered?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Wait, what?

[Alessandra]

I don't remember this.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I do. I'm traumatized by it. You showed like, oh, my God.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I don't want to reveal this. I'll reveal it off camera.

[Alessandra]

But like I said, reveal it. No, he's not gonna hear it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, because somebody's gonna hear it and the next time I send it, they're gonna be like, that's not right. You're lying.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Reveal it. It's worth it.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Okay, so.

[Alessandra]

So if a guy.

[Tracy DeMarco]

If you're texting a guy and he's like, how wet are you? All you have to do is spit in your fingers and go like this. And it looks like you're wet and you're not. And you're. I'm in a fucking penguin onesie and.

[Alessandra]

He'S all turned on and I'm fucking frying pancakes.

[Kristen]

Not the penguin ones.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, like, he's like, oh, what are you wearing? And I'm like, black lingerie and it's a fucking penguin hoodie.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, oh, that was a text.

[Alessandra]

You said your ex. Oh, that's so embarrassing. I love that for you.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh, it. Right now.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Oh.

[Kristen]

Oh, my God.

[Alessandra]

But if you take a photo and the guy's like, wow. And I'm like, yeah. Meanwhile, I'm like, oh, I'm so.

[Kristen]

No, because I'm going to do that. I'm going to do it on my ride home.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

You put another.

[Alessandra]

She says you fake her orgasms. Put the other finger down.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, I don't.

[Alessandra]

I won't fake.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I'll just.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Just fake your fingering.

[Alessandra]

Okay, got it.

[Kristen]

Had a one night stand and never learned their name?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No. No.

[Kristen]

Okay. Same. Hooked up with someone while someone else was asleep in the room.

[Alessandra]

Yes.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Wait, asleep in the room or I've.

[Alessandra]

Hooked up with people with other people.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Awake in the room.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Kristen]

Put your finger down. You in the room with me? With who? I did not.

[Alessandra]

You being reminded.

[Kristen]

Were you there too?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

No.

[Kristen]

Were you there too?

[Alessandra]

Was the whole room there? All the girlies, like, posted a third.

[Kristen]

Posted a thirst trap with the sole purpose of ruining someone's night.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah. I also delete it the second that person sees it. Like, if it's on story and I know that person that I wanted to see it, sees it, I'll just delete it.

[Kristen]

Love that. Love that the job has been done. Pretended to be asleep to avoid sex or fake sleep after.

[Tracy DeMarco]

No, I'm the one who's like, round two, round three.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I mean, I'm married.

[Alessandra]

I've had to have done that at some point. It's like I did it while.

[Kristen]

I for sure did it while I was married. Had a full meltdown over a man I knew damn well wasn't, and.

[Alessandra]

Oh, yeah, all the time.

[Kristen]

Several of them.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Several.

[Alessandra]

Pretty much cheating on.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Why are we like this?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Every man I've ever dated.

[Kristen]

Did you ever. Unrelated to this, have you ever done something up to someone you were dating and had a mental breakdown and cried in front of them about it?

[Tracy DeMarco]

No.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

What did you do?

[Kristen]

Like, I cheated on my ex girlfriend and then I cried about it to her and was like, you know what I mean?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Oh, like, how did she take that?

[Alessandra]

Like the victim.

[Kristen]

She took me back.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

She did?

[Kristen]

Yeah, Several times. That's for. No. Because I got my karma over and over after that. If I saw her, I would say, sorry, sorry, girlfriend got back with someone just to prove a point and then left again. All my hands are down for that.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, I would say. I don't really remember the details of. I had to have got back with somebody just for the sake.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

I don't know. How long have you been with your husband?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

It's embarrassing. It's a long time.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Since high school.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

No. Ew, Stop.

[Tracy DeMarco]

You guys went to the same high school?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

We went to the same. I was not with him since high school.

[Kristen]

You guys knew him.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

I think I've seen more than one dick in my life, Tracy.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh, well, that's not what I meant.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

No. But I did know him in high school. But then I got drunk one night, like, way after high school, and that's how that happened.

[Kristen]

So five years, 10 years.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

So probably like 15 years.

[Kristen]

When did you marry him?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Since I met you.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

2017. But we were together for 10 years before that. Like, I was living my best life.

[Tracy DeMarco]

So 20 years almost.

[Kristen]

Damn.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

A dream.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah. So married a long time, but, you know, a lot of wisdom to be learned every day.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

It's something like a power couple, though, because she's so unserious and he's so chill. So it works out really well. Like, he'll come home from the boy, like, a night with the boys, and she'll just be like, you gotta tell.

[Alessandra]

Me something funny that happened.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Instead of being like, we're there girls. Where like, she could not give a less. And he does not entertain anyone, so. But he don't even, like, answer people's Instagrams.

[Kristen]

Like, he has no as he shouldn't.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, he's just so chill. Like, really great human.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

When you find a man that does not care about social media, it's so freeing. It is so nice that, like, he doesn't even know what the I'm up to. It's wonderful. Like, it's. It's nice. Like, well, I want a man to be a man. I want to go back to there. Guys posting selfies for me is, like, not hot. Like, it doesn't do it for me.

[Kristen]

No, I think actually think men posting selfies is the most cringe thing that I. It's like, what are you doing?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

What are you doing?

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, what are you doing? We've recorded episodes. And he. He'll be like, do not use that. And she's like, okay, no problem. And then we upload it, like, the next day. And he'll never hear it.

[Alessandra]

Yeah, well, because he just doesn't.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

So part of bad examples, kind of what you do, which I like. Like, we bring in the people in our lives. Like, they become characters. Right? In a way. So we made a segment for my husband.

[Alessandra]

It's like, Denny's do's and don'ts.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Alessandra]

And it's like, you hear a little.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, cop, but he fucking hates it.

[Alessandra]

I pretty much force him to do it. He'll be on the job, like, arresting someone. And we're like, denny, quick second, do you think? And he's like, I literally have someone in cuffs. Can you call me back later? It's like, I hate you guys. He hates us so much.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

What? Oh, he talked about the girl he.

[Alessandra]

Fucked with the back brace. So mad.

[Tracy DeMarco]

He fucked a girl in a back brace because he thought it was a corset. And I've never died harder in my life.

[Alessandra]

I'm like, is she okay after, like.

[Kristen]

Y' all are married, though, right?

[Alessandra]

Like, we were like, tell us your most embarrassing story. And he was like, yeah, I. A girl on a back brace.

[Tracy DeMarco]

I'm telling you, I could not breathe.

[Alessandra]

We have the. But, like, what? The clip went viral.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

And he was like, I don't want.

[Alessandra]

The back brace girl to hear it.

[Kristen]

I know. Did she hear it? Did she reach out?

[Alessandra]

I don't know. We don't know. He wouldn't know because you don't check his DMs.

[Kristen]

You don't know.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

That.

[Alessandra]

So good.

[Kristen]

That's all I have for today's episode. Where can people find. Find you?

[Tracy DeMarco]

So bad examples podcast on Instagram.

[Kristen]

Yes.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Two girls, one slice spelt out tw o on Instagram. And then we're on Patreon.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Patreon.com Bad examples.

[Kristen]

Personal Instagram.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Oh, mine is Tracy DeMarco. Underscore D I M a r C L. And Jess.

[Kristen]

Jess. Hottie.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Just hottie.

[Kristen]

Jess Hottie.

[Tracy DeMarco]

The most.

[Alessandra]

Just hottie. I was gonna say here lies just hotties.

[Kristen]

I kind of love it, though. That's, like, the thing.

[Alessandra]

It's become an embarrassing thing.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

But, yeah, I hope your audience. I feel like our listeners are the same.

[Kristen]

Yes.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Like, they are from the same breed. Same old. Yeah, we want new besties. Like, that's. Our listeners are our friends. And I think what makes us different than other podcasts is, like, we connect with them. And so, like, our podcast, the way it grew and the way we grew and how we've kind of. We talk about everything, about ourselves is because of that. Because.

[Kristen]

Because.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Yeah, they'll ask us.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

They trust us.

[Tracy DeMarco]

More of this. Can you. Yeah. We're, like, noted. We got it for next episode 100. We. The people that you're dming on Instagram is us talking to us. We don't have people running it because we want you to feel that personalization from us. Like, anything you want, we will try to get back to you. We work really hard to, like, make that connection.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

And I think Tracy and I, people are like, why would we listen to your advice?

[Tracy DeMarco]

And we're like, no, we're really good at giving advice. We just suck.

[Kristen]

You don't take it because you lived it. And that's what I always say. Why would you take advice from someone who's never lived that experience? Like, when you have these crazy stories and, like, you've been through wild or, like, really hard shit, why wouldn't you listen to us?

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Yeah, and we're. We take you for everything. Like, Tracy's divorce is super hard. We. We talked about it all. Like, my miscarriages.

[Tracy DeMarco]

Like, then we've talked about swingers. We give blowjob tips.

[Kristen]

Oh, we can use some of those.

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[Kristen]

Love that. That's it for today's episode of Barely Famous Podcast. See you next week.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

Thanks for having us. Thank you.

[Alessandra]

So fun.

[Kristen]

Thank you so much.

[Jessica (Jess Hottie)]

We're not leaving.

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What do you think makes the perfect snack?

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Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

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