BF Gets Expired

Summary

Barely Famous Podcast Episode Summary: "BF Gets Expired"

Release Date: April 4, 2025

Hosts:

• Kale Lowry – Host of Barely Famous
• Macy Bookout – Co-host of Expired Podcast
• Natalie Deshain – Co-host of Expired Podcast

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1. Introduction and Podcast Background

In the episode titled "BF Gets Expired," Kale Lowry welcomes Macy Bookout and Natalie Deshain, the dynamic duo behind the Expired Podcast. Kale expresses excitement about the crossover, highlighting the unique blend of true crime expertise Macy and Natalie bring to their collaboration.

Quote:

"I'm so excited to go on expired." – Kale Lowry [49:30]

2. Origin of the "Expired" Podcast

Macy and Natalie delve into the genesis of their true crime venture. Macy shares how her encounter with a semi-celebrity at an event in Chattanooga led to unexpected connections and the eventual creation of their podcast.

Quote:

"We did the radio thing, and then we just stayed in touch, like, on social media... She was like, 'I'll be your co-host.'" – Macy Bookout [03:56]

Natalie adds that their shared background in radio and TV, both having attended the same program at Chattanooga State, facilitated their seamless partnership.

Quote:

"We've got TV background, I've got radio background." – Natalie Deshain [03:46]

3. Discussed True Crime Cases

Macy and Natalie discuss significant cases they've covered on Expired, particularly focusing on the Solomon case, their inaugural multi-episode series, and the ongoing Gavin Anderson case.

Solomon Case: Macy describes the Solomon case as a pivotal moment for their podcast, marking their first deep-dive into a complex true crime story.

Gavin Anderson Case: Natalie provides a chilling overview of the Gavin Anderson case, emphasizing the mysterious circumstances surrounding his death.

Quote:

"He was found dead. The only breakers were turned off except for the AC and the refrigerator." – Natalie Deshain [07:24]

Quote:

"They also like there's body cam footage of his parents telling them that they want an autopsy." – Macy Bookout [08:20]

4. Challenges and Backlash

The hosts address the backlash Macy and Natalie have faced for their investigative work, underscoring the importance of bringing lesser-known cases to light.

Quote:

"We piss people off because they don't want you guys to discover any truths or find anything out." – Kale Lowry [08:45]

Macy emphasizes their commitment to giving a voice to victims and their families, striving for justice even when facing public criticism.

Quote:

"Giving the local cases a voice and the victims a voice and hopefully trying to find justice for the family." – Kale Lowry [08:57]

5. Dynamics of Friendship and Collaboration

A significant portion of the episode explores Macy and Natalie's friendship. They discuss how working together has strengthened their bond, despite not seeing each other in person for six years.

Quote:

"We just click. Like, it's easy for us to be around each other, whether we're working or having fun or on vacation." – Macy Bookout [24:45]

They also touch upon the challenges of maintaining friendships while juggling podcast responsibilities and personal lives.

Quote:

"We're like family. We're more than friends." – Macy Bookout [37:00]

6. Personal Lives and Parenting

The conversation shifts to their roles as parents. Macy shares insights into her bustling household with her 16-year-old son, Bentley, and discusses the dynamics of parenting multiple children.

Quote:

"Bentley just turned 16... It's been crazy since he turned 16." – Macy Bookout [12:17]

Natalie talks about her own family, including her cats and her relationship with her sister, adding a personal touch to the discussion.

Quote:

"Jiggy and Jagger are my cats." – Natalie Deshain [21:05]

7. Future Plans for "Expired" Podcast

Looking ahead, Macy and Natalie express ambitions to expand their podcast’s reach, aiming to cover more national and potentially international cases. They contemplate exploring haunted locations and collaborating with paranormal teams to diversify their content.

Quote:

"We could just do like this haunted tour of some sort." – Kale Lowry [32:21]

8. Reflections on Life and Growth

The trio reflects on personal growth, particularly the transition into their 30s. They discuss how their perspectives have evolved since their early days as teen parents and the continuous journey of self-discovery.

Quote:

"Life in our 30s is so weird... we're starting to understand all of the things." – Kale Lowry [41:24]

9. Conclusion and Social Media Details

As the episode wraps up, they provide listeners with information on how to follow the Expired Podcast and engage with them on social media platforms.

Quote:

"Anywhere you download podcast, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, Instagram at Expired Podcast." – Natalie Deshain [48:51]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "We all have PCOS. All three of us do. That is insane." – Kale Lowry [02:51]
• "The spiderweb is a lot bigger than anyone could ever fathom." – Macy Bookout [10:25]
• "She could have been my mom easily." – Natalie Deshain [43:19]
• "It's like, we're more than friends... we're like a family." – Macy Bookout [37:00]
• "Everyone needs a support system... without judgment or being hateful." – Kale Lowry [37:44]

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Key Takeaways

• Collaboration and Growth: Macy and Natalie’s partnership demonstrates how shared passions and backgrounds can foster successful collaborations in the podcasting world.

• Importance of True Crime Storytelling: By spotlighting local and complex cases, Expired Podcast serves as a crucial platform for justice and awareness, despite facing backlash.

• Balancing Personal and Professional Lives: The hosts navigate the challenges of maintaining friendships and personal lives while managing demanding podcast schedules.

• Future Aspirations: Expansion into broader geographical territories and diversifying content signifies the podcast’s commitment to growth and reaching wider audiences.

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Where to Find "Expired Podcast"

• Platforms: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube
• Social Media:
  • Natalie Deshain: @ExpiredPodcast (handle: @fourtwo_three)
  • Macy Bookout: @macydesanbookout

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Final Thoughts

"BF Gets Expired" offers listeners an in-depth look into the world of true crime podcasting through the lens of Macy and Natalie. Their candid discussions about challenging cases, personal growth, and the intricacies of friendship provide a rich and engaging experience for both existing fans and newcomers alike. As Expired Podcast continues to evolve, audiences can anticipate more compelling content and insightful conversations in future episodes.

Transcript

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[Kale]

Welcome to the show.

[Unknown]

Things are going to get weird.

[Kale]

It's your fave villain, Kale, and you're listening to Barely Fam. All right, y'all. Welcome to Barely Famous. Thank you for joining me. Natalie and Macy. I'm so excited to talk about the Expired podcast.

[Macy Bookout]

Very excited.

[Kale]

No, I'm so excited. Yeah, Macy and I were just talking. We haven't seen each other in person in like six years.

[Macy Bookout]

It's. We're a whole different people now.

[Kale]

No, Truly and I. I feel like I know Natalie. I don't know you. So can we talk about this on the podcast?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Okay. So you are. You guys do the Expired podcast together here in Chattanooga?

[Natalie]

Yep.

[Kale]

How did you guys meet?

[Natalie]

Do you want to tell it or me?

[Macy Bookout]

Go for it.

[Natalie]

Okay, so I'm a radio personality here and I've been doing it for years and we had an event where we had a semi celebrity come into town at the Lookout Stadium. And she loves the games and she had just. She was just there and I went up to her and asked her, do you want to come meet this person that we have? And she did and I took her picture and that was that. Just trying to be friendly. And so then I just emailed her business account, the picture. And then a few months went by and then it was PCOS Awareness Day, September 1st. And I didn't know it at the time, but I have pcos.

[Kale]

We all have pcos. All three of Us do. That is insane.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Not. We're, like, bonding over this trauma.

[Natalie]

Bonding. Yeah, it's nice.

[Macy Bookout]

You literally.

[Natalie]

Literally. So she was like, can I come on the radio to see if we can get the whole town to be lit up teal for the, you know, PCOS awareness?

[Kale]

Lit up. Did you guys do it?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

She got the tallest building in Chattanooga.

[Macy Bookout]

I busted my ass for that, like, for months. And I was like, what if I go down there and nothing's lit up?

[Kale]

And it was.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah.

[Kale]

I do the same thing. I'm going to take a. A page out of Macy's book, and I'm gonna go back to Delaware and be like, hey, let's do this.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah. So we did that. We did the radio thing, and then we just stayed in touch, like, on social media. And then one day I posted, would anyone listen to a Chattanooga Bass true crime podcast? And she comments, call me right now. And so I called her, and she.

[Macy Bookout]

Was like, I'll be your co host.

[Natalie]

Let's do this. Let's do this together. And I was like, perfect. Cause she's got TV background, I've got radio background. We went to the same program at Chattanooga State, just at different times.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

So we went through the same program. We had the same teachers, same degree.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Oh, that's awesome. That's so exciting. So then expired podcast was born.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

And I saw that you guys just celebrated two years, obviously. That's so exciting.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Kale]

And I immediately, for those of you who don't know, this entire production has ensued because I reached out to, I think, both of you at this, like, at this point, and I was like, hey, I'm in the podcast world. Like, let me. I want to dabble into.

[Macy Bookout]

Do your podcast magic.

[Kale]

Well, because I think that what people don't know is the best way for podcasts to grow is to go on each other's podcasts. And so I've actually had scream queens on the Girls from Morbid podcast, which I'm obsessed with. And so I've had them on. On my shows. And so I was like, wait a minute. If you guys are doing true crime, like, we could definitely collab. So that's how all of this even occurred.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes.

[Kale]

And then obviously, Caitlin and Tyler are about to launch their podcast. I was like, we have to just do a big crossover. Okay, so you guys started the True Crime podcast, and do you guys only local cases, or do you kind of, like, dabble in everything?

[Macy Bookout]

We did. So in the first year, all of our. It's all Tennessee. Like any Tennessee case. In the last year we've branched because in Chattanooga it's like Tennessee Georgia state line. Like literally we are five minutes away from just being in Georgia. So this year we've done a few different north Georgia cases. I think we're ready to like branch out. Yeah, but at first it was like, you know, we live here so we can go investigate and research. Like it's easy to like go. Go the. To these places.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

But yeah, I feel like we're transitioning into more anywhere.

[Kale]

No, there's so many ways that we could get sprinkle in some podcast guests for you guys. That would be really cool.

[Macy Bookout]

It would be really cool. But we also need like a few. Even if it's like from other areas. It's actually preferred if they're from other areas but like expert with people that could be expert witnesses and stuff.

[Kale]

Yeah, that would be really cool. So is there a case that you guys have had that has like really just struck a. How do you.

[Natalie]

Yeah, the Solomon case was really big.

[Kale]

What is about that one?

[Natalie]

It was our first.

[Macy Bookout]

The series series, like where we did multiple episodes on the same. On the same case.

[Natalie]

And we got to interview the mother. I don't want to give too much away because we're gonna so.

[Kale]

Well, people can go listen to this on expired podcasts. Okay. So it's already out. Yeah. Okay, cool. So we'll definitely. I'll put that in the description.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, that's a three part series. And then I'd say that's the one we. We're gonna tell you all about. And you're gonna. Your pants. Probably multiple times.

[Kale]

I hate that. And I've said this before to other guests. I've had on Barely Famous. I. I had Valerie. Valerie Borlein. Are you familiar with her? She was right in the center of the Murdaugh murders. Oh, and I had her on the podcast. She wrote the book the Devil at His Elbow. Yeah. And I had said to her this was a couple months ago, but I was like, it's so fascinating to me how fascinated we are by true crime and like, why the rest of us are just so like, I don't get it. Like, why. Because we're all addicted to like ID channel and things like that. But she would be a really great guest for you guys too.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes, for sure.

[Kale]

She knows that case like the back of her hands.

[Macy Bookout]

That one's fascinating.

[Natalie]

It is.

[Kale]

Agreed.

[Natalie]

I'd say so much to unpack with it.

[Macy Bookout]

The other ones that stand out, the one that we're like, it's ongoing right now. Gavin Anderson, he was 25 year old and this happened two years, just over two years ago. He's a healthy 25 year old kid that was found dead in his apartment. And there's just a lot of stuff.

[Natalie]

He was found dead. The only. All the breakers were turned off in his apartment except for the air conditioning which was set to the lowest possible setting and the refrigerator. So two things wouldn't spoil things slow.

[Kale]

The process of Brigamortis.

[Macy Bookout]

The only things that would still work were the refrigerator and the AC and it was turned all the way down.

[Natalie]

And the only two pieces of evidence the police took was his body and his phone.

[Macy Bookout]

That's it.

[Kale]

That's really weird.

[Macy Bookout]

They also like there's body cam footage of his parents telling them that they want an autopsy. Like even if they have to pay for it. They were told that an autopsy was done, they approved cremation. No one did an autopsy.

[Kale]

Have you guys received any backlash for talking about cases like this? Because I feel like people were.

[Macy Bookout]

We piss people off. We stay pissing people off because they.

[Kale]

Don'T want to know that. Nobody wants you guys to discover any truths or find anything out. Yeah, that's actually like fascinating but also heartbreaking because it's like let's not do shitty things and then there's nothing to be found out. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's actually really sad. But I'm sure that the, the victims families feel like you guys are giving oh yes. Voice to their cases. Because I feel like so many cases, especially local ones that don't make big headlines like the Lacy Peterson or Casey Anthony. Like you want to know that your loved one matters just as much as you know, the Lacey's and the Kaylee's. You know what I mean? And so that's no disrespect to them. I'm just saying like giving the local cases a voice and the victims a voice and hopefully trying to find justice for the family.

[Macy Bookout]

Not trying to be hateful. But anyone with common sense knows that corruption exists to whatever degree. But that's one of the things I've been the most, just shocked. Like it is way gnarlier and like so much more of that goes on than anyone could ever fathom.

[Kale]

Well, I think a lot of us just think that it exists in movies. Like it's just for like drama on TV or drama in movies. But when you see cases like the Murdoch or the one that you guys are just Gavin Anderson, you have. You're forced to see it. Right. It's right in front of your face and you can't look away from it. You have to acknowledge.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. You can't pretend like it's like, oh, that. That was just a one. Like they just made a mistake. Like. No, no. And it's. It's a. The spiderweb is a lot bigger than.

[Kale]

People think to like the trickle down effect. You mean, like how many people are actually involved and how many people are.

[Macy Bookout]

Connected to who and who owes who this and who needs to be owed from somebody. So you know what I mean? It's like, it's a whole. It's just way. It goes way deeper and way wider than I ever thought.

[Kale]

Like, once you realize I was in it. Yeah, for sure.

[Macy Bookout]

No, but their family, Gavin's family has been amazing. And his friends, like, God, we did a couple months worth of episodes on that and talking to his friends and family and like, just calling people out on their.

[Natalie]

Like, only one of his friends came on and he wanted to remain anonymous.

[Kale]

Why?

[Natalie]

I don't know. Did he ever give us a reason? He kind of called himself out on social media and then.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. And then.

[Natalie]

And then wanted to be anonymous.

[Macy Bookout]

It was weird. It was.

[Kale]

That's actually really weird.

[Macy Bookout]

There's a little. It's.

[Natalie]

Go listen.

[Kale]

Because I will go listen. It's a little weird.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

So now what you guys do the podcast. You got, you have your family, you have your cats. Do you guys. You also are a news anchor or radio personality. Traffic. That's really cool. I thought that was so fascinating because I have no idea how, like, you just tap into the cameras and you get to watch them so you could see stuff before anybody else sees it. That's fascinating.

[Macy Bookout]

It's. It's so funny because I'll be like on the way, taking my kids to school, and I'll be like, hey, Siri, text Natalie and tell her that it's really foggy on Chalaford Road. And she's like. And then I hear it on the radio. All right, Be cautious of heavy fog on.

[Unknown]

That's so funny.

[Kale]

I love that though. You're like, you have to give her the inside scoop before she takes the kids to school.

[Macy Bookout]

Like, where's the traffic?

[Natalie]

If I know there's an accident near one of her kids schools, I'm like, hey, there's an accident here. Here's an alternate route. I'll even give her an alternate.

[Kale]

How are the kids? They're good.

[Macy Bookout]

They're keeping us busy. Bentley just turned 16.

[Kale]

I saw I saw that every. Actually, my entire tick tock feed was about Bentley getting a car, so I didn't watch it because I wanted to talk to you about it. What did he get and what was his reaction?

[Macy Bookout]

So he got a Jeep gladiator.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Macy Bookout]

It's like really pretty, bright blue.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Macy Bookout]

It's his favorite color. It's not as cool as mine. It's prettier.

[Kale]

But you're like, I get the cool one.

[Macy Bookout]

It's definitely. Mine's definitely better. His just looks cooler. He is still playing sports. I feel like the first. So he got his driver's license just a few weeks ago, and it was a Monday and goes to school. And Bentley's like, he's very much a homebody. And, like, doesn't really say the night places. Doesn't really have people say the night. He won't. He, like, doesn't want to take friends on vacation. He's like, I don't want to have to worry if somebody else is having fun or, you know, if they, you know, have. If they're picky about eating. Like, he's like, I just don't want to worry about it. And I'm like, well, I mean, at least you're self aware, you know? But yeah, gets his license. It's homecoming week. We get rolled two times. Like, rolled.

[Kale]

What does that mean?

[Macy Bookout]

Like, teepeed your yard.

[Kale]

Oh, toilet. Oh, we call it rolled. I'm thinking, like, we call it rolled. Like your jeep rolled. Like, I was very concerned.

[Macy Bookout]

No, yeah, we got rolled two times that week. I'm like, what the hell? He asked if a friend could stay the night on a school night. Which I was like, yeah, sure. I was just like, holy crap, you're inviting.

[Kale]

There's so much happening in one week. Turning 16 and asleep.

[Macy Bookout]

Get a driver's license. Just live your best fucking life. Like, knock it all out in one week. My guy, like, what? Yeah. So it's been crazy since he turned 16.

[Kale]

That's insane.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

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[Macy Bookout]

Just the smartest human being I know.

[Kale]

She looks like such a badass on social media and like wrestling. My kids are also in wrestling.

[Unknown]

When I see girls.

[Kale]

First of all, I asked to wrestle when I was a kid and it was no because it was a very, very male dominated sport. And so it was like, no. When I went up to the high school wrestling coach, he literally laughed in my face like he thought it was a. I was being dead serious. And he was like, what? What?

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

So to see now, like, I saw Jade wrestle on social media before I got my kids involved in wrestling. So I didn't know that there were as many girls now as there are, which is huge. Have you gotten backlash from that or do you feel like more people are supporting it?

[Macy Bookout]

And I think definitely more people are supporting it for sure. And even so, like just in the last two years, like it is. Girls wrestling is the top growing sport in America by bar.

[Kale]

Like, we'll save all of her stuff because I have a bar now. So I'm like, I'll be. Hey, do you have any old wrestling shoes for Valley?

[Macy Bookout]

Oh, we do some cool ones too. And some cute like, like singlets that are like, really?

[Kale]

I've had customade ones already with like Lux and Creer Mexican. So I put like the Mexican flag on the back and then like they're badass.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes.

[Kale]

Val, she's going to have to wrestle now.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, no, it's. It's literally my favorite sport. Like, and same for me. So my brother wrestled, my older brother and I was. I would play softball and volleyball and wrestling season was like in between seasons for me and I would have to stay in the wrestling room because my brother drove me to and from school. And I was like, let, let me wrestle. And they're like, girls, it's not for girls. And I'm like, but I would literally beat your 103.

[Kale]

We're more. I mean, I'm not. But most girls, I feel like, are more flexible than boys.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. But I also like, my bro wrestled in college and I was like, I have to go home with this guy and he whips my ass like, I will beat your 103 pounder. Let me wrestle. And it was like, no, girls can't wrestle. I'm like, yeah, I can.

[Kale]

So did Jade want to wrestle or did you kind of introduce it? Did you introduce her to wrestling?

[Macy Bookout]

We were kind of already just in the wrestling room and at tournaments because of Bentley. So they kind of naturally, it was like, can I go run on the mat? Like when they're little, you know, two and three years Old. And it's like, yeah, sure, just take your shoes off, whatever. So they kind of just fell into it naturally. Jade, it. Jade, definitely. I would say she. She at least acts like she likes it more than the boys because it's really hard. You know, it's a really tough, very humbling grind.

[Kale]

And it's more of an independent sport, I would say, than it is for, like. Like, you obviously need to show up for your team, but it's more.

[Macy Bookout]

It's all on you and how much work you put in. But she. She at least acts like she likes it more than the boys. I don't know if it's because she really likes it or she is very much a tomboy, and I think she likes to prove that girls can do anything.

[Kale]

She should.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, go on, sis. I love that. Yeah.

[Kale]

What is the dynamic between you guys with you not having kids and her having kids? Do you guys still get to do a ton of stuff together?

[Macy Bookout]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh. We just went on family vacation.

[Macy Bookout]

Natalie's like, my kids. Even my nieces, like, she's their favorite person.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Stop.

[Natalie]

We went trick or treating together.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. If Nat's there, like, nobody else matters.

[Kale]

No. Because my best friend doesn't have kids. Kristen doesn't have kids either, and she's been my best friend for, like, 10 years. And so I'm. It's so interesting because I feel like a lot of my other friends have kids or I meet moms through sports that my kids play, and so I always wondered, like, the dynamic between you two, especially for the podcast, like, does it give you stuff to talk about too, or. No.

[Natalie]

She tells me about her kids, and I tell her about my.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Okay. So let's talk about your cats. How many cats do you have?

[Natalie]

Two.

[Kale]

Two.

[Natalie]

I have two dogs or one dog. One dog. I've seen Alaskan malamute.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Natalie]

And then Jiggy and Jagger are my cats.

[Kale]

Jiggy and Jagger.

[Macy Bookout]

Isn't that awesome? Stop.

[Kale]

Yeah. Oh, my. Wait, you have an Alaskan malamute.

[Natalie]

Huh?

[Kale]

Are those. Aren't they, like. No. That's not the ones that are really hard to train, is it?

[Natalie]

They're those. They look like a husky, but they're all white.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Macy Bookout]

They can be kind of stubborn.

[Natalie]

Oh, he's stubborn.

[Kale]

And you guys. And you also live locally.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Okay. That's so cool. So it works out. You guys have a good dynamic and.

[Macy Bookout]

A friendship going, and we even accidentally instacart to each other's houses all the time.

[Kale]

I love that.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

But at Least you're close enough. My. My best friend lives two hours away from me, so I'm like, yeah, if I accidentally to cart something over there, just screw it. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Have you filmed for Teen Mom? Am I allowed to talk about this?

[Natalie]

Okay, so, yeah, I was on season eight.

[Kale]

Season eight, yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

And we filmed the radio thing.

[Natalie]

That was season eight.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. Then we. We had filmed a couple years ago a little bit of the podcast stuff, but, you know, it was one of those. It didn't make it.

[Kale]

Well, I just think it's important to show the audience of expired and also for anyone that's listening here, like, we want to know who you are. You know what I mean? Like, it's important for people to, like, resonate with you as well. We know Macy. Right. But we want to know Natalie as well, so I think it would be cool to, like, I don't know, get to know her on a deeper level.

[Macy Bookout]

So mtv, she's pretty great.

[Kale]

Yeah. I don't know why we're editing those scenes out.

[Natalie]

I love that. So Kristen came upstairs yesterday, and I was in the massage chair, and she goes, macy nailed you right on the head. She said, Natalie is the most chill. Not, like, nonchalant, non problematic.

[Unknown]

No.

[Kale]

So you mean you don't fall out with every single one of your friends publicly like, I do?

[Macy Bookout]

No.

[Kale]

Oh, okay. Just me.

[Macy Bookout]

Got it.

[Kale]

Got it. I. I feel like all of my friendship fallouts have been public, and none of the other girls from the show have had that experience at all.

[Macy Bookout]

That's interesting.

[Kale]

Don't you. Do you feel like that? Have you ever. Have you seen kind of all my. I don't know what comes up on your feed, but.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, no, I've. I've. I think you're right about that.

[Kale]

But, like, we've all grown apart from people. You know what I mean?

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. That's interesting. I do also wonder, though, because your friends are always such a big part of the show, you know, versus, like, I feel like a couple of my friends that were even filming, like, when we filmed 16 and Pregnant, like, they'll make occasional appearances or whatever, and people know them because they've been watching the show for so long. But I feel like your friends are a much bigger part of the show than everyone else's, too, and a. Like a bigger part of your story.

[Kale]

That's actually a really good point. I'm gonna talk to Kristin about that afterwards.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Can we dissect this for a second?

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Because Becky and I just rekindled and so that's sort of why I invited her on this trip. And I wanted to talk to you guys about, like, your friendship and working.

[Macy Bookout]

Together and that friendship breakup made me sad.

[Kale]

Did it?

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Because I've known Becky before.

[Macy Bookout]

I just met her through you, like, in New York and stuff. And I always really liked her. And, like, her energy was just always genuine and, like, very light. Like, just. I don't know. She's one of those people that, like, you. Can you just feed off their energy? Yeah. So I was like, oh, no. Like, I. I really liked her.

[Kale]

I really liked her.

[Unknown]

Also.

[Kale]

Do you feel like working together has changed the dynamic of your friendship at all, or no?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

What do you think?

[Kale]

In a good way or a bad way? Or do you have a good balance? I, like.

[Macy Bookout]

I don't know that at all. That we would be near as, like, close as we are if we didn't start working together.

[Natalie]

That's true.

[Macy Bookout]

You know?

[Natalie]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

[Macy Bookout]

We're just both. I don't know, we just click. Like, even just from the get go again, it's like an energy thing. Like, it's. We're just. It's easy for us to be around each other, whether we're working or having fun or on vacation. And we're so different. Like, we're very, very different. Yeah.

[Natalie]

We are kind of opposite.

[Kale]

Cat lady. Kid lady. Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

I feel like we learn from each other. We, like, can just tell each other anything. No judgment. Like. Yeah, it's easy.

[Kale]

And how are you in a relationship or. No, no. So how do you fit into, like, when you guys go trick or treating together, does Taylor also come? And also, how is Taylor?

[Macy Bookout]

Oh, he's great.

[Kale]

I think I only met him once or twice. Like, ever. I think.

[Macy Bookout]

Dang, he's a cool guy.

[Natalie]

He's great.

[Kale]

He's a cool guy.

[Macy Bookout]

People only, like.

[Kale]

I guess I'll stay very.

[Macy Bookout]

They just, like, pretend to like me so they can hang out with Taylor. They tolerate me. No, Taylor's one of those guys, like, if somebody were to, like, have a bad thing to say about him, I would. I would think something was wrong with them.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

It's like, what did you do?

[Kale]

Like, you're not a good person. You're talking about this innocent man.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. I already don't trust you. Yeah, for sure.

[Kale]

That's so funny.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. It's kind of annoying, though, because he also, like, makes friends and I don't like no new. I don't like talking.

[Natalie]

I'm surprised I made it through. Yeah, it's Hard. It is hard when you get older.

[Kale]

Being on a show that has run as long as this has, you have to wonder what people's intentions are. And also, you know, where that. What that looks like. Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

I just really don't. I don't. I don't feel like I, I can hard. I'm hardly keeping my head above water with all my, like, I don't want to say like, oh yeah, I can be a great friend and handle all your too. Like, I can't promise you that.

[Kale]

So have you have people from your kids sports tried to befriend you and it just hasn't worked out or do you have like a friend group?

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, we do. We. I would say we have pretty solid friends from our kids sports.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

And they don't care like about the show or anything at all.

[Kale]

Yeah, that's. I've actually found that too. Like the friends that I've made from my kids sports are definitely more unique than the other friends that I have. Not that they're better or worse, just very different.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. It also seems like it's. It's like you're in the same like phase of life. So it's. It. I feel like the genuine connection can kind of happen around your kids first and then you kind of get to know the ones that it's like, oh wait, I could hang out with you like without our kids.

[Kale]

Right, right, right.

[Macy Bookout]

Like, and be. That would be cool.

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[Kale]

At my Lux's school, and we were talking about, like, a Disney trip and, like, just having those little things in common I feel like are really nice. But I also really envy some of my friends that don't have kids because I'm like, I literally am run ragged. Landed from Disney, came right here, and I was like, what is. I don't know which way is up at this point. Like, what's going on?

[Natalie]

Every.

[Macy Bookout]

Oh, Natalie gets to, like, take naps when she wants to.

[Kale]

You get to just like, hey, I have to run to the store really quick. And you don't have to worry about buckling seven kids in your car literally trying to figure out how to custom make a suburban so that the seats in the middle are not captain's chairs, but, like, pushed together so there's like an aisle to get in the third row. And I'm like, what? What is going on?

[Macy Bookout]

What can we do?

[Kale]

I don't know how you had. Cuz your Maverick and Jade are a year apart.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes.

[Kale]

Rio and my twins are a year. Not even a year apart. So they're all one right now.

[Macy Bookout]

Dude, it's the Irish triplets. The trenches man.

[Kale]

But who takes care of the animals when they're sick?

[Natalie]

Me.

[Kale]

Oh, no. Jason has six dogs.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

That's a lot.

[Kale]

So my best friend and you have that in common.

[Macy Bookout]

I think they actually have a lot in common.

[Kale]

No, they have a lot. Yeah. Alessandra also doesn't have kids yet, so, I mean, that's. I think you guys all have that in common.

[Macy Bookout]

We're kind of like their kids.

[Kale]

If you have to manage our schedules and, like, get together for us, make.

[Macy Bookout]

Sure we even remotely have our together.

[Kale]

No. That's so funny. So what are the big plans for expired podcasts moving forward? Grow the podcast, explore more cases, Explore more national cases, maybe even international. I mean, I'm down to go to Salem, Massachusetts if you guys are. Yes. That would be really cool.

[Macy Bookout]

That would be.

[Kale]

That's like, I told the kids that. I was like, we're not going to Disney next year. We can go to Salem because that's what I really want to do.

[Macy Bookout]

That would be awesome.

[Kale]

Like haunted.

[Macy Bookout]

Have you been to the Reed House here?

[Kale]

The what?

[Macy Bookout]

The Reid house.

[Kale]

Is it books?

[Macy Bookout]

No, it's a Hotel. Like an old hotel.

[Kale]

Is it haunted?

[Natalie]

There's a room there that's haunted.

[Macy Bookout]

It's legit.

[Natalie]

Story is this woman named Anneliese was found almost beheaded in the bathtub. And they don't know if it was a boyfriend or a lover or if she was a sex worker, what the situation kind of was. But they only rent out the room. We could probably get in there.

[Macy Bookout]

I bet we could.

[Natalie]

But they only rent out the room the month of October. And every night it cost $666 to stay there. Except for Halloween night, which is $999. You know, like the 666. Flip it upside down.

[Macy Bookout]

It's not spooky.

[Kale]

I committed a B and e for the Dr. Perelson house in LA like two weeks ago. I jumped the fence and I like went into it. What is it? The look up the case. You'll be this doctor.

[Macy Bookout]

Did you do this by yourself?

[Kale]

Kristen filmed it on her phone, but the cops came. But I like jumped back over the fence. I up my brand new Converse and I was pissed.

[Macy Bookout]

It was worth it.

[Kale]

It was this. It's this murder. Murder Mansion. Dr. Perelson was an inventor and a doctor of sorts. And where is this in la?

[Macy Bookout]

La. Okay.

[Kale]

It's actually right down the block from the Menendez brothers home. Oh yeah. And also the Black Dahlia's home.

[Macy Bookout]

Oh.

[Kale]

So I was. They had like barbed wire, but I found like a little gap. So I climbed on top of the rental car and then I hopped the fence. This is all on video. I'll have Kristen show you.

[Macy Bookout]

Amazing.

[Kale]

Maybe don't air this on Teen mom, but like, we'll put it on the podcast.

[Macy Bookout]

Allegedly.

[Kale]

Allegedly.

[Macy Bookout]

All of this. Allegedly.

[Kale]

Yeah, allegedly. And I like, got in because I was like, I have to see this. But he beat his wife to death with a ball peen hammer and then attacked one of his kids. And then he killed himself in the house. And then it's just been bought and sold like 10 times over since then. But only one family officially lived in there after him, and one of them died in the house.

[Natalie]

Oh my God.

[Macy Bookout]

We need to get like a paranormal team.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Oh, I'm down. We should just do like this haunted tour of some sort.

[Natalie]

Yeah, we should go on the Chattanooga Ghost Tour while we're here.

[Macy Bookout]

Oh, yeah, that would be cool.

[Natalie]

You can see underground Chattanooga. It's crazy.

[Kale]

Under underground.

[Natalie]

Yeah, we're. Our city is built on our old city. Yeah, pretty much.

[Kale]

That's actually really cool.

[Macy Bookout]

We like, you can areas like that too, where they were purposely Flooded?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Purposely flooded. For what? To build on top of it or to cover up.

[Natalie]

Like, you go down into like, say like a parking garage where you go down and you can see where like. Like windows were at the bottom.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, we just put the parking garage right on top. You can see.

[Kale]

No big deal.

[Natalie]

Boarded up windows.

[Macy Bookout]

Like it just never existed.

[Kale]

That's actually really weird. I kind of want to see it, though. Maybe if we have time. So you see it. You've seen Kate and Ty already? How do you already met them? No, no, this was the first time.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

This whole trip is like a ball of hers. Yeah, I love that. Okay, so how'd the recording go? And I don't know what order they're gonna air in, so.

[Natalie]

It was really good.

[Macy Bookout]

It was fantastic. They did a great job.

[Natalie]

So proud of them.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

They've already got like a. Something to bring back to every. Every episode. It's Blue Monkey. I'll have to tell you about it.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. Wait. Wait till they make a bit out of Monkey. Yeah.

[Kale]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Macy Bookout]

It's fantastic.

[Kale]

When was the last time you had seen Kate in person?

[Macy Bookout]

June.

[Unknown]

Late May.

[Macy Bookout]

Early June.

[Kale]

So do they still do teen mom reunions or. Not really.

[Macy Bookout]

They didn't do one this year.

[Kale]

They didn't. I wonder why I should be the host.

[Macy Bookout]

You should. Yes.

[Kale]

I'm sure people, some of the cast members would not love that, but. Oh, yeah, but I could ruffle some feathers. I'm good at that.

[Natalie]

Good tv.

[Kale]

Yeah, we're like TV gold. It's fine. So when did you guys get together? And over the summer, like, was it just for a personal.

[Macy Bookout]

Me and Caitlin went to visit Amber.

[Kale]

Oh.

[Macy Bookout]

She's having a rough go of it this year, so she's doing the best she can, you know? Yeah. There's a lot going on and honestly, I just. It's not really my place to, like, say all the things, but. Yeah, she's had a rough go of it, but she's. She's. Honestly. I will say, though, because I'll call him out all day long. I'm sure you saw the press and like, all the things about her fiance, like, going missing.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

And like, apparently he just ran away. Taylor calls him gone. Gary Taylor, my husband is the nicest but the most petty mother witty on the planet, if you will. Yeah. But yeah.

[Kale]

Do you know, are they still together? No, they're not.

[Macy Bookout]

I think he's engaged to someone else or something.

[Kale]

I don't know this for sure because my memory is absolute trash, but I Think I only met Amber one time.

[Macy Bookout]

Really?

[Kale]

When we did the book tour together. Right. Fresh out of prison. Prison?

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah.

[Kale]

Yeah. And that was, I think, the only time I. Maybe I've seen her, like, in passing at a reunion, but I think that was the only, like, time I ever spent with her. And I and Becky was with me on that tour, and we had a great time. But I see a lot of hate towards you and Kate for your support of Amber.

[Macy Bookout]

Oh, for sure. Yeah.

[Kale]

And why?

[Macy Bookout]

I don't. I don't know. I don't really care.

[Kale]

Okay. You don't. You don't need to spend time on that.

[Macy Bookout]

I think based on what the audience sees, I can kind of understand a little bit of, like, how it could be perceived in such way. But, you know, at the same time, it's like, well, that's on them. You know, anyone's opinion on the type of friend I am or how I show up for my friend doesn't matter to me. You know, Like, I'm not going to stop caring and showing up for anyone that I love because you disagree with it. You know what I mean?

[Kale]

Like, I have nothing but good things to say about Amber based on my time spent with Amber. She was so funny. Obviously. This was literally 10 years ago. It was 2014, so she's probably a different person now. But the time that I spent with Amber was always. It was. I mean, Becky and I have funny stories that we still tell to this day that happened on that book tour. So I can't ever. When I see the things that I see online, I'm like, I just sort of like you. I don't care. But it also is interesting to me that people feel a type of way. Yeah. Because I feel like no matter what sort of tragedies or. Or trials and tribulations that people go through, everyone needs a support system of some sort. And by support, I think that that also. That could include people that don't agree with your choices but are still there.

[Macy Bookout]

To be a support system.

[Kale]

A support system for you.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes. And I think that is one of the things that that's, like, almost never shown is that between the three of us, like me, Kate, and Amber, we will always be there for each other and support each other. But we are also the first people to check each other, you know, and be like, hey, you have to do something about this. Or like, hey, that's not right. Like, what are we doing? Come on.

[Kale]

But maybe that's not public.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, it's like one of those things that's like, it's almost like never show. And. And honestly, it's. I'm. It could be because it's something that doesn't really happen on camera maybe, but I just.

[Kale]

I feel like no matter what, everyone needs a support system. Right. Like, you don't have to agree with what people do, but you still need support.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, for sure. And I think sometimes support looks like checking someone and. And showing them a different point of view or how maybe just how. How they could alter their behavior a little bit. Yeah. But without judgment or being hateful. Like, it's very possible for all of those things to simultaneously exist and all be true. But, yeah, Kate and Amber and I, it's. We're like. We're more than friends.

[Kale]

Like, it's like a family. And it's so hard for me to describe to other people. Like, I feel like I haven't seen you in 10. In 10, six years, but I feel.

[Macy Bookout]

Like where you left off because there's.

[Kale]

Such a unique dynamic between, I think, all of us. I mean, even the ones that we haven't seen in 10 years because of the show and everything else. And so there is this.

[Macy Bookout]

Like, we get things that other people could never understand. Like, there are so many things that I could talk to you about, and it's like you 100 understand and you get it, and you know where I'm coming from. And you've probably been there and done that a thousand times, just like I have. Whereas I can talk to Natalie about it, and she can be supportive and she can hear me, but she's never gonna understand it, like, ever. Yeah. It's just such a extraordinary thing, a unique relationship. Yes. It's just built on such a different. Just not an ordinary foundation.

[Kale]

Agreed.

[Macy Bookout]

Very crazy and really special, actually. But we also like everything everybody sees on. On the show. There's like a thousand other things and so many other times that we're together that we're talking. So it's not. That's. That's one thing that does irritate me is like, oh, they're just. They're just friends. Has the show or on the show.

[Kale]

I'm like, no, that's where it started.

[Macy Bookout]

Right.

[Kale]

That's not where it ends. Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

And I mean, at this point, me and Caitlin and Amber have known each other longer than we haven't.

[Kale]

Oh, wow. How old are you? 33. Wow.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

That's insane to think about. And we've also been, I think, parents. I think we've been parents longer than we haven't.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Already.

[Natalie]

Crazy.

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[Kale]

Bentley turned 16.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes.

[Kale]

Teen mom franchise turned 16. How does that feel?

[Macy Bookout]

It's. I don't even know. Like, I really. I don't know any different. I don't know how I feel because on one hand, I feel like I blinked and I got here, and on the other hand, I'm like. I feel like a billion lifetimes have gone by.

[Kale]

Yeah. You've been like, 100 different people in the 16 years.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. I feel like I'm just now growing up. Like, how could he be. How could. How could the show be growing up?

[Kale]

I feel like life in our 30s is so weird, too, because just in general, without being a mom, we're learning all of the things that our parents and elders and like, like, parental figures told us growing up. And then we were, like, not listening to them. And now we're coming to the real in our 30s, not even in our 20s, not becoming a mom. Not any of that. It's like, not until our 30s. And I'm like, I literally sound so dumb. And I don't. Like, my son is not listening to me. There's no way he's gonna grow up and be in his 30s and be like, oh, mom was right when I was 16.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes.

[Kale]

It's so weird to be here in this place.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes. Bentley. And I joke about it all the time because I'll be like, you know, I'm gonna say this. I know you're probably. You might take it in.

[Natalie]

I hope you do.

[Macy Bookout]

You might not. But A, B, or C, and I'll say, and trust me, when I was your age, my mom was telling me the same thing, and I was like, mom, shut up. Like, you don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like. And now I'm like, my mom was right about everything. She. I swear she hasn't told a lie in her life. For real. I'm like, oh, my God, Why? She was right about everything. I'm like, one day you're gonna be like, damn, my mom was right.

[Kale]

What is it like to have a mom? Do you have a mom? Oh, you do. Or do you have a good relationship with her?

[Natalie]

Yeah, she lives four houses down from me.

[Kale]

Shut up. What a dream. That's what I. I bought 20 acres in Delaware because I would love to have, like a little cul de sac with all my children, but I was like, is that, like, tops a toxic boy mom or is that like.

[Macy Bookout]

No, I think it's cool. We're doing the same thing with like, my parents say, yeah, parents.

[Kale]

Do they live close?

[Macy Bookout]

Taylor's family actually is in Texas, but his parents just retired. But we bought a bunch of land and we're gonna all just build on it.

[Kale]

That's so awesome. I love that. What's it like having a mom?

[Natalie]

Amazing. I love my mom so much.

[Kale]

Do you have siblings?

[Natalie]

I have a sister who's 26 years older than me.

[Kale]

I'm sorry, what?

[Natalie]

My sister was 26 when I was born.

[Kale]

26.

[Natalie]

26. We have different moms.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Same dad.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Natalie]

So my dad put my sister through college. She was graduating from UGA and I was born in April and he started all over.

[Kale]

Do you have a relationship with her?

[Natalie]

I do, but it's more of a. Like, she's like my mom. Like, she could have been my mom easily, but I would, like, go stay the night with her and shut up. Yeah.

[Kale]

Becky is the youngest of five, and I believe her oldest is also much older.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

I don't know by how much, but I always think it's interesting because I have, you know, Isaac's almost 15, and then I have one year old twin. Well, three one year olds at this point. So like, even that age gap is so crazy to me. So that's so interesting. And you have a brother?

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, I have an older brother.

[Kale]

Just one. Okay.

[Macy Bookout]

He's three years older than me.

[Kale]

Okay. So you guys were kind of close and you guys went to high school and stuff together, which is really cool.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah, we're super close relationship.

[Kale]

How is Bentley with Jade and Maverick?

[Macy Bookout]

Oh, they're super tight.

[Kale]

Really?

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. Bentley's really close with all of his siblings. I mean, all.

[Kale]

How many siblings does he have?

[Macy Bookout]

A crap load at this point?

[Kale]

He's like, Lincoln. Lincoln has nine siblings.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. He's got Jade, Mav, Jagger, Stella, and then he's got a little sister on the way with Ryan and Amanda.

[Kale]

So that's five or six.

[Macy Bookout]

1, 2, 3, 4, 6.

[Kale]

He's the oldest of six.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I think that's what you said yesterday.

[Macy Bookout]

So he's 16 and his little sister will be born. I'm like, yeah. Could you imagine having to, like, move out and take care of this baby right now?

[Kale]

He's like, wait, that's such a good. Wait I. That to my kids. Because that's essentially what it is. Isaac won't touch the babies. He loves his siblings. He doesn't want the spit up, the burping, the crusty face, the booger. Like, he's repulsed by it. And so, like, even if they hug him, he wants to check their hands on their face before they even touch him.

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So I just.

[Kale]

What's gonna be sticky? Yeah, he's like, if it's sticky, it's not for me. But that's so interesting. So he'll. But, I mean, I will say that I think between the generation. What is it? Gen Z? Are our kids Gen Z or Gen Alpha?

[Macy Bookout]

Gen Z? Well, the older ones, I think. No. Are they Alpha?

[Natalie]

I think the. Your older kids are Gen Z. Yeah. Your younger kids are Alpha.

[Kale]

2025 starts a new generation also. But what's really interesting is between, you know, us being teen parents and then also Gen Z as a whole, they just, like, don't want to have kids young, let alone, if any at all.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Which I think is we. We've done our job. But also, I think society is doing its job as well.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. I think our kids are like, wow, everyone is. Is so dumb.

[Kale]

Like, kids are hard. Yeah.

[Macy Bookout]

They're like.

[Kale]

They're hard.

[Macy Bookout]

That's what I like.

[Natalie]

Just being a cool aunt.

[Kale]

Yeah. No, I don't. When people on social. I see people on social media talk about how they don't want kids and they get harassed for it. And I'm like, I love my kids to death. Like, I would move the world for my kids. But I also understand not wanting to have kids. And I also, like, so proud of Isaac because I'm like, I don't. You don't need to have kids right now. Like, literally wait till you're 30 when you're starting to figure life out and you're starting to, like, understand all of.

[Unknown]

The things that I've been telling you.

[Kale]

For the past 15 years.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Then maybe think about it.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. So I have to say, too, I absolutely love watching the. Watch Isaac do the ASL video. Oh, my. Gosh so cool. She's so cool. I'm, like, jealous.

[Kale]

I want him to teach me about school because he's Bentley. A sophomore or freshman?

[Macy Bookout]

Sophomore.

[Kale]

Okay, so Isaac's one year behind. He's a freshman. And he started ASL club because his new school that he transferred to. I don't. How are the schools here? Because he got he In Delaware. You can pick any school you want to go to.

[Macy Bookout]

They just started that this year, at least in our county, where you can choose where you go, but there's still, like, a capacity and you have to, like, be on a list and get it approved. Okay. But up until this year, you had to go where you were zoned unless your parent taught, like, at another school.

[Kale]

Okay. So the last school that Isaac was in, he had ASL class. Like, a class for it.

[Macy Bookout]

That's cool.

[Kale]

At the new school for high school, he wanted to go to a different school district. They didn't have it, so he started a club. That's so and so. He's not really a sports kid, but he's like a club kid.

[Natalie]

So he does get him to do sign language at concerts.

[Kale]

Oh, he wants to be an interpreter, which is a whole degree. So he wants to do. That's what he, like, wants to do. But he's so. He's does ASL club, debate club, and then he just auditioned last night for Beetlejuice, which I was like, that's so cool. What the heck? Like, you're old enough to be auditioning for something.

[Macy Bookout]

Also, he is like, him and Bentley both have, like, great hair.

[Kale]

They do. What is that? Because I didn't have that. I have a cowlick. I have to style, like, very specifically, right in the front of my head.

[Macy Bookout]

And mine's just like. It's a cowlick. And it's just, like, flat and straight.

[Kale]

Like, I also feel like Bentley is the perfect mix of between you and Ryan. Like, it's so weird. He stands next to you. I see you. But when he stands next to Ryan, I also see Ryan.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah. It's very interesting.

[Kale]

How do genetics are so weird?

[Macy Bookout]

It's fascinating.

[Kale]

Are you also, like, a not half sibling person? I. I get so mad.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

I don't anyone refers to my kids as half siblings.

[Macy Bookout]

Me. Yep.

[Kale]

Drives me.

[Macy Bookout]

No step. No. Half.

[Kale]

No.

[Macy Bookout]

They're just brothers.

[Kale]

Even the step ones are just siblings.

[Macy Bookout]

Yes.

[Kale]

Because you grew up with them and that's. They matter.

[Macy Bookout]

Absolutely.

[Kale]

I love that.

[Macy Bookout]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Well, I can't wait to continue seeing where expired podcast goes. And I'm excited for the rest of this crossover.

[Macy Bookout]

It's gonna be a good. A good year.

[Kale]

Where can people find expired podcasts? And where can people follow you guys on socials?

[Natalie]

Anywhere you download podcast, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, Instagram at Expired Podcast.

[Kale]

Four, two, three.

[Natalie]

Yeah, four, two, three. And Natalie's post is my handle.

[Kale]

Perfect.

[Macy Bookout]

And mine is Macy desean Bookout.

[Kale]

It's desean.

[Natalie]

I know. Isn't that crazy?

[Kale]

I'm pronouncing it wrong for, like, I.

[Natalie]

Call her Deshain all the time.

[Macy Bookout]

Everyone does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Deshawn.

[Kale]

Are you serious? This entire. My entire life, I thought it was to Shane.

[Macy Bookout]

I. I think even like people that have been my best friend since like elementary school still say to Shane.

[Kale]

Yeah, I wanted to get the backstory on that. Anyway, well, thank you for joining Barely famous Podcast and I can't wait to go on expired.

[Macy Bookout]

Thanks for having us.

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