Ray Clark (2:35)

No.

Kail Lowry (2:35)

No, you never did. Okay, interesting. And then has anyone ever submitted tea to you about me?

Ray Clark (2:42)

No.

Kail Lowry (2:43)

Really?

Ray Clark (2:44)

Really.

Kail Lowry (2:44)

Like this person said this, but then it like got back to this person. Yeah.

Ray Clark (2:49)

So I was kind of like, I've never heard tea about you. Never. It's more so like this and this went down.

Kail Lowry (2:56)

Okay.

Ray Clark (2:57)

You know, like, push me up on it. But no, not like insiders.

Kail Lowry (3:00)

Okay, fair. Have you ever been a kale hater?

Ray Clark (3:06)

Once, yeah.

Kail Lowry (3:06)

Oh, what.

Ray Clark (3:07)

What did I do when the whole. It was the whole like Isaac and the hair thugging. Yeah.

Kail Lowry (3:16)

That was completely understandable. Everyone should have hated me.

Ray Clark (3:19)

Yeah.

Kail Lowry (3:20)

That was implicit bias. And I feel like that. That part of my life. I have really tried to like, educate myself since then and really do the work with therapy, but also like the books that I read and stuff. And so I. But people don't ever really forgive me for that, so.

Ray Clark (3:37)

And I see that. Right. So it's. I can't just go based off of one thing. Right, Right. So if I'm like, okay, well, yeah, she said something because somebody even brought it up to me. Like, how can you defend her? She called like Isaac's haircut a thug. Ok, well, but what else has she done to improve from that? Like, clearly she's not racist. That's what people love to say.

Kail Lowry (3:56)

But I definitely think it was implicit bias, though, educating myself, because I didn't know what implicit bias was, so I couldn't know what I don't know. Right. So I. I feel like I've done a lot of work to sort of eliminate that or at least be more self aware.

Ray Clark (4:11)

Right.

Kail Lowry (4:12)

And so I wish that more people would give me the chance to like, talk about it. But now we have the. This episode. I guess that was fair though. Like, I. When people did judge me for it, and even when they do now, like, I hope to always have a conversation about it because I do feel like I've learned from it. But I could see why someone hates me for that.

Ray Clark (4:30)

Yeah. Aside from that. No.

Kail Lowry (4:32)

Okay, fair, fair, fair. Okay. So how did you first get started with like reporting on just like reality stuff? I see people pop up in this space that I have never heard of. So how did you get started?

Ray Clark (4:44)

I had always been on Tick Tock when it initially came out, and I was always trying to find like my niche. Right.

Kail Lowry (4:50)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (4:51)

And nothing was ever working, so I would delete it and start over again.

Kail Lowry (4:54)

Okay, fair.

Ray Clark (4:55)

And eventually my wife was the one that Brought it to my attention because I would watch something, and I'd be like, oh, my God, like, did you hear about blah, blah, blah, blah? And she's like, look, like, I love you, but I don't care. Like, I'm sitting here because you want to watch the show, so I'm watching it with you. I don't give a shit about everything else.

Kail Lowry (5:15)

I feel like that's a lot of relationships, though, so.

Ray Clark (5:18)

Yeah. And so I was like, okay, fine. I'm just gonna, like, go on TikTok and talk about it and see what happens.

Kail Lowry (5:25)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (5:25)

Just blew up from there.

Kail Lowry (5:26)

So it started on TikTok.

Ray Clark (5:28)

It started on TikTok.

Kail Lowry (5:29)

Oh, interesting. Okay. I feel like I was late to the TikTok game. Like, I wasn't really making them. I was just kind of consuming TikTok.

Ray Clark (5:34)

Right.

Kail Lowry (5:35)

Did you think that it was gonna make you money at any point, or did you just do it for fun?

Ray Clark (5:39)

No, I only did it for fun. I never thought I'd be here. Like, never.

Kail Lowry (5:43)

That's exciting, though. It is, because it's like a passion project turned into, like, your job, you know?

Ray Clark (5:48)

Yeah.

Kail Lowry (5:49)

What was the first thing that you remember? Like. Like, talking about Janelle. Oh, it started with teen mom. You only. You don't only do teen mom, though, do you?

Ray Clark (5:58)

No.

Kail Lowry (5:58)

Oh, my gosh. Okay. What did she do?

Ray Clark (6:01)

Well, it was.

Kail Lowry (6:01)

She might say, we need. We need to talk about this for view. She might say that, first of all.

Ray Clark (6:07)

I started because the bitch got divorced from the man that was, like, ruining her life. Ruining her life. So that's what I was talking about. Okay, so does she want to say that she started my. My ladder up? Sure.

Kail Lowry (6:21)

Okay.

Ray Clark (6:22)

Okay, no problem. But I didn't just start with Janelle. Like, I was talking about, like, housewives. What really blew me up was talking about Gypsy Rose, like, for.

Kail Lowry (6:34)

For you, who is, like, reporting on housewives, Teen mom, Gypsy Rose, all of the. All of the things. How do you. Because surely you're not unbiased. Like, you have to have, like, favorites, people you like, you don't like. So do you let that come through in your content, or do you try to be unbiased? Or how do you.

Ray Clark (6:49)

I do try to be unbiased. But do I come off as biased sometimes? Yeah, sure. Like, I'm human, you know, I'm not perfect. I'm not like, a. A newscast. Even though sometimes I may come off as, like, reporters, hoarder, news, vibe, you know, for example, Gypsy Rose. I was all for Gypsy Rose coming out. Like, I was really excited for her to start this new venture. And so when people were like, who cares? She's a murderer. Like, shame on you for defending her. I'm like, look, until somebody gives me a reason not to, like, I'm for it.

Kail Lowry (7:23)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (7:23)

And I would talk. I've DM Gypsy. Like, we were talking all of that jazz. Right. But it wasn't until we started conversing more.

Kail Lowry (7:33)

Right.

Ray Clark (7:33)

And I started to see more of her true self come out.

Kail Lowry (7:38)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (7:38)

That I was slowly pushing myself back, and then everything else kind of just fell into place.

Kail Lowry (7:45)

That's so crazy.

Ray Clark (7:46)

Domino effect.

Kail Lowry (7:47)

I don't watch Housewives. I know very little about it. But have you talked to some of the girls on there? The women?

Ray Clark (7:53)

I've talked to a few of the housewives on there. Yeah. Like, they're very chill, but you. You can tell because they've been doing this for so long, and I'm so upset that I'm late to the game. But you can tell that they are very careful with what they say, like, how they say it.

Kail Lowry (8:08)

You don't have to worry about that. With the cast of Teen Mom, I think I have a hard time with reality TV because I was on it. So I kind of know, like, okay, that was probably set up or like, that was sort of, like, it was more, like, produced. Yeah.

Ray Clark (8:19)

Yeah.

Kail Lowry (8:19)

And I will say, though, like, people ask me all the time if Teen mom was produced, and it was. It's the least produced reality show that I've ever participated in, but it still is produced.

Ray Clark (8:29)

Well, when you watch, like, Housewives, when you watch OG from the very beginning.

Kail Lowry (8:33)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (8:34)

That is hardcore 100. I think that goes across the board. It's just that as time has gone on and people have broken the fourth.

Kail Lowry (8:41)

Wall, and I was in favor of breaking the fourth wall for Teen mom because it was like, sometimes my friends would put up such a fight, they didn't want to film. We didn't have a choice. So it's like, who am I going to have this conversation with? Because my friends weren't getting paid, they'd have to call out of work, whatever, things like that. And so then they have to sort of produce it like there was no other option.

Ray Clark (9:00)

Does MTV miss you?

Kail Lowry (9:02)

They've asked for me. They did ask for me back twice after I officially left, since I left in 2022. And Alessandra can attest to this. Like, producers have cold. Called me out of nowhere, specifically from Teen mom, to be like, hey, what are you working on? What can we talk about? Like, is there Anything that you're doing right now that we could, you know, film about. And I'm like, sometimes I toy with the idea, and I maybe would go back, but then other times I'm like, I'm so far removed from it that I just can't picture myself living that sort of life anymore. Like, the. In real time.

Ray Clark (9:31)

Can I say that, like, my hopes and dreams for you is to have a killer network.

Kail Lowry (9:38)

That would be so fun.

Ray Clark (9:38)

Tv.

Kail Lowry (9:39)

We've. We've said that.

Ray Clark (9:40)

Listen, rags to riches, babe.

Kail Lowry (9:43)

I just think it would be cool because there's so much that goes on behind the scenes, and there's tons of work drama, like, anywhere. Everyone has a story here. And we all sometimes fight and we all sometimes don't. And sometimes it's great and sometimes it's not. Do you think that when you talk to someone from a show that it sort of changes your perception of them, or is it hit or miss? Does it depend on the person?

Ray Clark (10:03)

It depends. But I definitely do try to keep an open mind, right? So if I didn't like you, like, look, I even, for example, I did hit up Janelle, right? And I was like, hey, I'm going to be in Vegas on. On these Days for the these days. I still was talking shit about her, but I was like, but do you want, like, do you want to meet up? Like, do you want to meet up? Maybe I can hear your perspective, right? She didn't respond. I said, okay, fudge it. I'm gonna keep talking my shit.

Kail Lowry (10:27)

I read something I want to say. It was like, last week, and it was that Americans were consuming more news and broadcast via TikTok than they were any other platform. And I find that so interesting because I'm like, it's so bite size on TikTok, which is really nice. Like, we don't have to turn on the news to, like, learn it. Yeah, but how do you get some of your information that you know to be factual? Because I think that sometimes sources can be weird because you're like, okay, this person was close to this person. Can I really depend on what they're saying?

Ray Clark (10:56)

No. When you come into my DMs and you're telling me some, like, you need to back it up.

Kail Lowry (11:00)

Okay. You're not just gonna report on any.

Ray Clark (11:02)

No, I'm never gonna say now if it's like a. A rumor, right? I'm like, yo, like, word on the street, right? This. This was tea. This was a drama. I'm not saying it's true, right?

Kail Lowry (11:13)

Okay. I'm here to say I've heard.

Ray Clark (11:15)

Okay, but. But aside from that, no, I like if you're telling me something that's really serious, like back, back it up. Like I told Caitlin, show me your work. Because I'm not going to go on here and get myself a C and D or you know, get sued because y' all want to run your mouse over something that's crazy.

Kail Lowry (11:37)

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Ray Clark (13:59)

Because I've always been 100 honest. If I up, I'm gonna tell my followers, hey, I up. Okay, I was wrong. I fucked up.

Kail Lowry (14:06)

Update. Here's what I actually learned. Here's the truth, right?

Ray Clark (14:09)

I'm never, I'm never going to hide it. I'm always going to be 100% truthful.

Kail Lowry (14:12)

Okay?

Ray Clark (14:13)

So, but I'm always like a. Take me as I am. I'm very black and white.

Kail Lowry (14:17)

Okay, that's fair. So if you're like, okay, I reported this earlier in the week, but this is what I just learned. You're going to just be transparent, right? Okay.

Ray Clark (14:24)

And that's, that's why I've learned, I've definitely learned not to make multiple videos back to back to back to back and just wait for everything to subside so that I can come to the full story.

Kail Lowry (14:35)

Especially when it comes to like breaking news and like breaking information. What if someone gets to the breaking information before you do? Does that impact how you do your videos or you would rather let it see, like sort of let the dust settle before you report on something.

Ray Clark (14:48)

So generally what I would do, like I did yesterday, I was like, yo, like Kale was saying some shit.

Kail Lowry (14:55)

I did not tell my team I was doing that. I just did it. And I was supposed to take a break from Tik Tok. I don't know, like, I was supposed to take like a one day break. And I just posted that video. And I don't, I didn't warn anyone. I just did it.

Ray Clark (15:08)

But listen, I was like, this is real. This is what? Yeah, like this is real time.

Kail Lowry (15:12)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (15:12)

Now if some other shit's popping off, I'll let you all know later, right? But for now, stay tuned. I think I'm always, but I see I'm always somebody that like goes to the source. Like, I.

Kail Lowry (15:21)

Do you have good success with that, though?

Ray Clark (15:22)

Like, yeah, because, listen, my aunt Tina, like, my auntie was, like, basically like another mom to me, right? Like, she helped raise me. And her idioms are, like, top tier. But she was always like, you. Did you hear from the horse's mouth? Okay. Did you hear it from them? No. Okay, let's. Let's move on with life.

Kail Lowry (15:43)

Right, right, right, right.

Ray Clark (15:44)

Always, like, it's just always been that way. Yeah. Her idioms are like.

Kail Lowry (15:47)

I mean, that is true, though. I. It's hard because you don't want to spread, like, what is Fallacies. Fallacies. How do you decide what you're going to talk about? Like, if it's Teen mom housewives. How do you know when something is serious enough to talk about?

Ray Clark (16:02)

I think when it. If it comes down to, like, legal or. For example, I was. I was just. I made a video a couple days ago about Stephen Anthony Lawrence, right?

Kail Lowry (16:13)

Who the hell is that?

Ray Clark (16:15)

Have you ever watched Even Stevens?

Kail Lowry (16:17)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (16:18)

Remember Beans? Yeah, that's Beans.

Kail Lowry (16:20)

What happened to him?

Ray Clark (16:21)

He accused a coworker of being a pedophile, and he claimed that Universal Studios fired him.

Kail Lowry (16:30)

Fired Beans or fired the pedophile. Okay.

Ray Clark (16:33)

For. Out of retaliation. Which I was like, this doesn't make sense, because you'd be able to sue Universal if they sued you for retaliation. Like, you went to human resources. So that doesn't make sense. So I started, like, trying to uncover more. I noticed that TMZ immediately swapped it. Like, swapped their headline as soon as Universal made a statement and said the allegations were false. And then I have still right now, like, people in my DMs that are former employees have worked with alongside him that were like, no, this is the truth. These are the receipts.

Kail Lowry (17:08)

His. What he was said was the truth.

Ray Clark (17:10)

What he said was false. Like, they were like, this is. He's lying. This is. This is who he really is. This is what we've had to deal with. And these are the receipts to back them up.

Kail Lowry (17:21)

Dealing with people like that in real life is incredibly stressful. When you're in front of them and you're around them, you believe what they're saying, and they sound credible, and they sound like, oh, wow. Like, okay, maybe I do need to look at this a different way. And then you take a step back from them and you're like, oh, no, I hate them again, because you realize who they are, and it's. It's so interesting to be around people like that in person because you. You want to believe them.

Ray Clark (17:45)

Yeah, well, I feel like those kind of people are dangerous.

Kail Lowry (17:47)

They're so dangerous because you. It's sort of like not quite narcissism because they believe what they're saying.

Ray Clark (17:54)

On that note, I'm going to share something. So my therapist told me, because I had told her, why am I always dealt a shitty hand? Why am I always. I mean, my wife excluded, why am I always with or why do these people always fucking find me? Why am I always.

Kail Lowry (18:12)

Why do I attract this.

Ray Clark (18:13)

Right?

Kail Lowry (18:13)

What.

Ray Clark (18:14)

What am I fudgeing doing? So I know not to fudgeing. Do it. And she told me, she says, listen, there was a project that happened with prisoners, okay. They had women that had gone through trauma, abuse, rape, all of that. Walk through a hallway. They also had women that had literally lived behind the white picket fence. No problem. Also walk through. The prisoners could tell every single time that a woman that had trauma passed by every single time. And when they asked them, how did you know? How, like, how did you know? They were like, I don't know. It's something in their. Their brain chemistry that they are still trying to figure out. It is not that you seek them, it is that they seek you.

Kail Lowry (18:57)

I think if I teach. If people teach their kids to know that, and I'm not saying it will never happen to them, but I think growing up, when you instill some level of confidence in your children and start it from really young age, they sort of know their worth.

Ray Clark (19:10)

Yeah.

Kail Lowry (19:10)

Growing up.

Ray Clark (19:11)

Yeah. No, I get it. I mean, I was. My mom was an addict. My dad was hardly ever around, so, you know, I had abandonment issues for sure. And so my thought was, well, it doesn't matter if you treat me like you're still here.

Kail Lowry (19:24)

Right. Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah. Well, it's like, what we know, what we're comfortable with because we know it.

Ray Clark (19:30)

Right. Because you think that that is your worth, because they made you feel like that was what you were worthy of.

Kail Lowry (19:34)

No, that makes sense. So now that you sort of know, like, that aspect is that will. Do you think that'll shape the way that you approach, like, reporting on certain things? Because it's like, how in depth can you really go if people are not willing to talk to you?

Ray Clark (19:49)

So I. I am always somebody that wants to hear people out. People out.

Kail Lowry (19:55)

Right.

Ray Clark (19:55)

Always. Like, I will always have my door open regardless of whether you love me or hate me.

Kail Lowry (19:59)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (20:01)

I have definitely tried to be careful with how I say things, because my biggest fear, especially in today's society, everyone's whole life they make it social media. And if I don't want to be the reason why anybody causes self harm or anything like that because of what I say, like, that would destroy me, you know, Um, I, I don't want to be that reason. So I do try to be very.

Kail Lowry (20:31)

Careful, but if you don't have people telling you all sides, it's like you can only report on one.

Ray Clark (20:36)

I can only go based off what I see, 1,000%.

Kail Lowry (20:38)

And that's where it gets tricky because you're like, obviously there are things I want to cover, but you don't know what. Like, I would imagine it would be hard to decipher, like, his side, her side, and the actual truth. How do you decide? Like, when certain allegations come up about. I, I can only think of my own scenarios, but, like child abuse, addiction. I know there was recently this thing online about Ryan Edwards and his girlfriend with the vape and the baby or something like that, his wife, Amanda. Did I say girlfriend? Are they married?

Ray Clark (21:07)

Oh, yeah.

Kail Lowry (21:08)

Like, how do you decide what to cover?

Ray Clark (21:10)

Oh, never mind.

Kail Lowry (21:10)

Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. I don't know who she is. I have no idea. I know her name. Amanda.

Ray Clark (21:14)

Yeah. So Amanda and Ryan were together when he was in the rehab facility. I'm pretty sure Amanda doesn't care me about me saying this, but basically they were in, they met in the rehab facility. McKenzie allegedly was already with another married guy. And so when she was done having her fun and she wanted to go back to Ryan, allegedly, Ryan was like, no, girl. Like, I already fucking moved on.

Kail Lowry (21:41)

So. So, like, how do you decide what you report on when it comes to stuff like that? Or you just report on all of it?

Ray Clark (21:47)

I try to report on all of it. There's times, though, where, you know, like, I think that a lot of, a lot of viewers think that I don't have a life. And so they, I shit you not. They literally think I am sitting on my phone all day waiting to see what you're going to do. Literally all day. Right. And I, I, I do have a life. So there's times where I'm like, it's not that deep for me. It's not that. It's not that big. I have my own shit going on. So what?

Kail Lowry (22:20)

Yeah, so what happens if you have something going on, but you need to report on something in real time? Do you stop what you're doing and go do it, or do you step away?

Ray Clark (22:27)

If it, if it's big enough, I will step.

Kail Lowry (22:29)

Okay.

Ray Clark (22:30)

And luckily, my wife is very like, go ahead.

Kail Lowry (22:33)

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Ray Clark (26:18)

I mean, we were at a, we were at a family friend's like retirement party and my all my in laws were there, everything. And I told my wife, I said, I'm gonna go step away, I'm gonna go to the car. And all she does is tell people like, oh, she went to the restroom or oh, whatever, she'll be back.

Kail Lowry (26:37)

Okay.

Ray Clark (26:38)

You know, like we have luckily worked as a team, right. So that she understands. Now I will say when it comes to date nights or whatever, my phone is on pause and everything else can wait. So I have learned that yes, it is important to make the money, but it is more important to be present because the Internet can be gone tomorrow and my wife will still be there.

Kail Lowry (27:01)

Right? That's hard. That's really hard. But it like, I get what you're saying. I just, when I Built my entire. I've been on.

Ray Clark (27:09)

Because it's your whole life.

Kail Lowry (27:10)

My whole life. My whole life. So I feel like if you, like if the Internet goes away today, you could probably go get a job somewhere if you wanted to. I don't know that I would have that same. I would try. I just don't know if I could because people.

Ray Clark (27:24)

Yes, you could.

Kail Lowry (27:24)

I mean I would, I would try.

Ray Clark (27:26)

Well, you already have, so you've already built it. But that's why I asked you, like, if the Internet were gone, like, that's why I asked you, would you have a network, write a book, do a tell all? Like do more tell alls that you. Because you have started from the beginning. You have not only empowered people to have a tick tock and, and do those other things, you've empowered them to do so many other things. You absolutely can.

Kail Lowry (27:56)

It's such a weird.

Ray Clark (27:58)

You have a freaking degree.

Kail Lowry (28:00)

In theory. I wouldn't be able to go get like a regular 9 to 5 or work in the corporate world.

Ray Clark (28:03)

Because everybody would know who you are.

Kail Lowry (28:04)

Because everyone would know who I am and it would be hard. Like, I'm not saying that, that that's 100 true. I'm just saying like that's sort of where I'm at. Where like if the world were to get rid of the Internet today, like what would I do? I don't know.

Ray Clark (28:14)

Could you retire?

Kail Lowry (28:16)

In theory.

Ray Clark (28:17)

So if you could. Dude, if you could retire, go live in the mountains and enjoy your life.

Kail Lowry (28:22)

Imagine a log cabin in the middle of nowhere.

Ray Clark (28:24)

No, seriously, I, I know I like it sounds dramatic but like I go camping like we go camping all the time. Like that is my getaway. Even though I still have to record when I'm camping like that. I, I love it. I live for it. Like my wife gets higher in four years to Arizona.

Kail Lowry (28:40)

Oh wow, you came all the way from Arizona.

Ray Clark (28:42)

Yeah. I would like talking to when I'm DMing me.

Kail Lowry (28:46)

Well, it depends where you're. Where are you DMing TikTok. That's me. Okay.

Ray Clark (28:49)

Because I did hear like that. I heard that you don't do like your own social media.

Kail Lowry (28:54)

I don't.

Ray Clark (28:55)

Okay.

Kail Lowry (28:55)

But somebody so TikTok DMs. Hold on, hold on. I'm going to clarify. I read Tik Tok DMS and Instagram DMS. I don't always respond on Instagram DM. Sometimes it's my team responding on Instagram DMs. Because if it's like podcast related or business related related, I'm not touching it.

Ray Clark (29:14)

Okay.

Kail Lowry (29:14)

If it's email, it's not me. And. But that usually it's their email with their name. Like, everyone has their own email with their own. Like Alessandra at Killer Network or Kristen at whatever or Rebecca at. So it's them.

Ray Clark (29:25)

Okay.

Kail Lowry (29:25)

Posts on social media, not me comments, sometimes. Well, story. Okay. Just it for clarity. Because that post yesterday was not me. Stories are me. Because it's like, quick and I can do it.

Ray Clark (29:41)

Right.

Kail Lowry (29:41)

Posts that are more like. You have to put more thought into like a post. Not me comments, me. But DMS are me. Unless it's a business thing that I'm not touching it. And mainly the reason why I had to do that, though, is because, like the. Just.

Ray Clark (29:56)

It's overwhelming.

Kail Lowry (29:57)

Huh?

Ray Clark (29:57)

It's overwhelming.

Kail Lowry (29:58)

Yeah. And it's just to the point where it's like, okay, I can't. I can't do this. It's also not good for my mental health. And like, once I click on one, I never stop.

Ray Clark (30:06)

Okay.

Kail Lowry (30:06)

And usually people can tell in my real life, like, Ike knows when I'm not. I should not be on social media. And it should. I should leave it to the team. But sometimes I insert myself.

Ray Clark (30:16)

Okay.

Kail Lowry (30:16)

And it's not good.

Ray Clark (30:17)

Yeah. Because I was like, wait, I did.

Kail Lowry (30:18)

Not know you lived in Arizona. I had no idea that anything like, related to that. Like, when I think you sent me voice notes on Tik Tok, that was me respond, like, talking to you. Okay, yeah, that was 1,000% me. But when it comes. No, I don't think. Do people read TikTok DMs? Like, I feel like it's like, across. They do, Yes. I only just read and I only do it to people I know. Like, I knew who you were. So I was like, I'll open this, but typically I won't because I don't know what the. Like, I don't know what's going on in there. If it's just like another basically comment section, I don't want any parts of it.

Ray Clark (30:45)

Well, I, I have to, though.

Kail Lowry (30:47)

You have to 1000%. Right? Are sources coming directly to you and then telling you information about themselves and then you report on it? So should I start? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Like, you know how, like, celebrities allegedly call the paparazzi on themselves?

Ray Clark (31:03)

Yeah.

Kail Lowry (31:03)

Like, do people do that with you?

Ray Clark (31:05)

Yeah, Like, I, I mean, I. For example. Right. Because you'd mentioned Ryan Edwards.

Kail Lowry (31:12)

Right. So, like, yeah, yeah.

Ray Clark (31:13)

I was talking to his ex wife. I was talking to her, but she came into my DMs. I didn't go into hers. Amanda's. I went into hers because I was like, I'm talking about you. So if you want to clarify.

Kail Lowry (31:26)

But I think that's fair. Like, if you're talking about someone and you want them to, like, say what they want to say. If you watch the Diddy docu series that 50 did, it's like they reached out to Diddy and his mom and whoever else. If they wanted to comment, you're more than welcome to. Right. I think when you don't give people the opportunity to speak up, that's where it gets a little tough. Because like that one report, I'll call her a reporter T page. She doesn't want to hear anything I have to say at this point. So it's like, okay, so you're just as biased as we'll say Rey, who might be more biased towards me than you're against.

Ray Clark (31:57)

I even know who this is.

Kail Lowry (31:59)

She's a. She was so cool with me and we were mutuals. And then she started talking about me and never gave me an opportunity to clear anything up at all. And it was just like, that is not how you should operate as somebody who's like, trying to be unbiased. Like, that is not like I said, I've invited Brianna on the podcast, I've invited Janelle on the podcast. I don't fucking like them, but come speak up. Let's talk about it.

Ray Clark (32:18)

I have had. The only person that has not responded back to me is Janelle. And I. I've never reached out to Leah, but all the other teen moms, like, I reach out, hey, like, so and so and so and so. If you want to respond, cool. If you don't, I'm gonna keep going with whatever I got.

Kail Lowry (32:37)

I just remember a time when teen mom was at its peak. And like, we would get. I can't speak for everybody, but I would get text messages from people from like, Radar, okay, magazine, starcasm. I don't even know how they got my number. And they would text me or call me to verify information that they were going to run with or without me. Right. And I just remember, like, that being a thing was like, at least they're trying to fact check. Would you say this is like opinion based journalism? It needs.

Ray Clark (33:06)

It has to be.

Kail Lowry (33:07)

I feel like there needs to be a new category for what it's called because it's so popular and this is how people get their information.

Ray Clark (33:13)

Well, the thing is, there's law, right? So there's First Amendment.

Kail Lowry (33:16)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (33:16)

We have the right to be able to give our opinions based off of what we see you do. Absolutely.

Kail Lowry (33:24)

Right.

Ray Clark (33:24)

But there is a line. When you start defaming it is a problem. You can now, you can now get sued for defamation.

Kail Lowry (33:32)

There was. But it's. It has to be provable. That's the other thing is, like, you can defame someone opinion if it's opinion based.

Ray Clark (33:39)

Right.

Kail Lowry (33:39)

You're allowed to do that.

Ray Clark (33:40)

But if you're losing, if you're losing followers, if. Now that is all people deem you as right.

Kail Lowry (33:46)

Have you ever had, like, somebody's team reach out to you or, like, PR and be like, hey, can you take this down? Or hey, can we clarify?

Ray Clark (33:51)

The only person that's asked me to take Something down was McKenzie Edwards.

Kail Lowry (33:55)

Was it negative? Did you take it down?

Ray Clark (33:57)

No. This is the thing, like, like I said, unless you give me a reason to not like you. Like, I'm. I'm chill. Like, I'm cool. Right. But when you start, for example, she. There was some random person that went into her DMs and said that Ryan Edwards got this other chick pregnant and he made her sign an NDA so that she's not to disclose that he has another child.

Kail Lowry (34:23)

Wait, is that true?

Ray Clark (34:24)

No.

Kail Lowry (34:24)

Oh, that's not true. I believed it. I believed it. I was like, oh, my God, it's not true.

Ray Clark (34:29)

And then when I said, because mackenzie's like, oh, I'm gonna talk about this, I said, do you have the paperwork? No. Then why the are you going to talk about something that you don't have proof of?

Kail Lowry (34:38)

Fair?

Ray Clark (34:39)

And then I. And then listen, I asked Mimi, Mimi, is this true?

Kail Lowry (34:44)

Is this.

Ray Clark (34:44)

Is this a grandchild that you're not claiming? I thought you. You claimed all your grandbabies. She's like, I. You think that I would defend my son over my grandchildren? Like, I fight for all my grandchildren. It's not true. She said it to ignite. And I knew it was going to happen. And I was like, why would you do that? Like, I called her. I was like, why would you do that? And she was like, who cares? Who cares?

Kail Lowry (35:07)

That's insane.

Ray Clark (35:08)

She's nuts. I don't talk about, like, even then, like, the. That was coming to me, like, I didn't say anything because I'm like, well, he's. Not. Until you show your face and you come out and say something, I can. I cannot say anything. It's not fair. It is not fair for people who are not on TV or not putting themselves out There, it's just. It's not fair.

Kail Lowry (35:33)

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Ray Clark (37:37)

Right. The moment you choose to step on and have a platform is a moment.

Kail Lowry (37:42)

That you allow critic, criticism and all of that. But I think until you do that, right, why are you putting all this information out about him? And he's never come forward and said a word. Like, you don't even know. There was no fact checking. There was no. Or they were like half truth. They were like almost true. Was like, oh, that was sort of correct. But here's the real.

Ray Clark (38:04)

But that's how I feel like about my wife. Like, my wife is a blue collar worker. Like, she just works to protect her community and she just wants to retire and live a quiet life. And I want to respect that, but she also wants me to do what I want to do, you know, so. And that's why I didn't bring her, because.

Kail Lowry (38:24)

Yeah, but she wouldn't have had to be on camera. I just. Some people travel with, like a support person, so that's true.

Ray Clark (38:28)

But she had to work, so that's fair.

Kail Lowry (38:30)

That is fair. How often do you feel like people who are villainized on tv, no matter what show it is, you talk to them and then you're like, okay, my entire perception has changed.

Ray Clark (38:40)

It's happened a couple of times.

Kail Lowry (38:41)

Did it surprise you?

Ray Clark (38:42)

Yeah.

Kail Lowry (38:43)

Would it surprise us to know who. You don't have to say who it is, but like, would it surprise people to know who. You're like, okay, they're villainized on tv, but. Or on social media. But I actually really like them in person.

Ray Clark (38:52)

There was a cast member from Love is Blind, okay. And his name is Steven. He was like on season seven and hilarious. Really down to earth. Like, very nice guy. He, he throws like that little bit of shade, but he's very playful. But all in all, he's just a normal guy. And so to hear his side of things, it was like, holy shit. Like, Love is Blind really fucked you over. And he's like, I know. And he's like, I don't want to do shows ever again. Like, he's like, now I just want to work. And I didn't interview with him, but he's like, I just want to, like, work, do what I gotta do, live a normal life.

Kail Lowry (39:31)

I kind of respect that though, because I definitely think it's like you're mentally ill if you continue with teen with. I was gonna say definitely mentally ill if you were. If you keep going with Team Mom. But like, reality TV in and of itself is like, you have to be mentally ill to keep Going because the people that are in it and then they see what it like, Bristol Palin was always like, I had so much respect for her. She did one season and was like, this is not for me. I don't like the edits. I don't care how much you're paying me, I'm not coming back. I have so much respect for people like that.

Ray Clark (40:00)

Well, she's also like a racist, so I really don't care about her.

Kail Lowry (40:03)

Okay, fair, Fair.

Ray Clark (40:05)

I'm glad she didn't come back.

Kail Lowry (40:06)

I don't know anything about her. I know nothing about her, so. But I just respected that she didn't come back to Teen Mom.

Ray Clark (40:13)

You know, nobody. Nobody gave a. When she didn't come back, just so.

Kail Lowry (40:17)

You know, people didn't care. Nobody gave a. Oh, interesting.

Ray Clark (40:21)

Yeah, everybody was that.

Kail Lowry (40:22)

Yeah. I think people would have loved to see Jamie Lynn Spears.

Ray Clark (40:25)

Oh, my God, people.

Kail Lowry (40:27)

Pioneer of teen motherhood.

Ray Clark (40:29)

People would have thrown her through the ringer.

Kail Lowry (40:32)

Well, people are throwing her through the ringer right now because she gave her daughter, who almost died by an atv. She gave her an ATV for her for Christmas or something like that. That.

Ray Clark (40:39)

Well, yeah, but she's also like a piece of sister to like.

Kail Lowry (40:42)

Oh, fair. That's fair. That's fair. Why do you think that certain scandals, we'll call them, damage people's careers indefinitely? And then certain people, like, I saw something last week and it was like, did you ever notice it was somebody who does, like basically what you do, but not really reality, more like celebrities? And they were like, did you ever notice how nothing sticks to Kylie Jenner? Did you ever see. Did you see that Tick tock. It was like, nothing sticks to Kylie Jenner. The astroworld stuff. She was dating Travis Scott when that happened. Doesn't stick to her. The whole lip lip stuff. Doesn't stick to her. Like nothing sticks to certain people. And then other people, they have one thing happen and it ruins their entire career. Why do you think that happens?

Ray Clark (41:21)

I think that cancel culture happens. If you are a perfect example is like Nicki Minaj.

Kail Lowry (41:30)

Right?

Ray Clark (41:31)

People absolutely love Nicki Minaj. I spoke a whole lot of about it. A lot of people don't right now. A lot of people are like, seeing who she is. But cancel culture will happen when it affects everyone as a whole. When it only affects one community, then people don't give a shit because maybe they don't agree with that community.

Kail Lowry (41:56)

Right. Can you give me an example?

Ray Clark (41:58)

Okay, I'll just say it. So Nikki had started and she was praising trans like all the LGBTQ+ community and how much she loved them. Right. She used them as the community to build herself up. Right. She called them barbs.

Kail Lowry (42:14)

Oh, yeah, I remember that.

Ray Clark (42:15)

So then she went to not trying to make this political, but she, she went on a stage with Erica Kirk, who doesn't agree with the LGBTQ community. And then you start saying on your ex that you don't believe in same.

Kail Lowry (42:35)

Sex marriage, but you built your whole platform off of. Right, okay.

Ray Clark (42:40)

And so now it's not just, it's not just the black community that sees her, you know, on stage. It is now the LGBTQ plus. When I was like, listen, she's not for the gays. Like, I'm just telling y', all, you knew that.

Kail Lowry (42:51)

Oh, yeah.

Ray Clark (42:52)

And everybody came for me. Like, everybody was coming for me. They're like, you're a liar. I'm still a barb. I don't care. And then once all this other came out, it was holy. What the.

Kail Lowry (43:02)

Do you think that that's going to affect her career long term?

Ray Clark (43:05)

Like, well, yeah, because when they started digging. So I, I, I never liked Nikki because she married a man who is on the sex offender, offender registration. Like, and then she's trying to get her brother out of prison for the exact same thing. Like, what do you mean? Like, you're a piece of shit.

Kail Lowry (43:26)

But then she still has, she's still super successful. So I guess it really didn't affect her career. Like, she might have lost money. Do you think that for Blake and Justin Baldoni that that is going to negatively impact or, and I guess Ryan, Ryan Reynolds. Do you think that that whole scandal that happened with Justin and Blake will negatively impact her for good?

Ray Clark (43:49)

I think it has.

Kail Lowry (43:50)

Like, you, you don't think she, there's a comeback.

Ray Clark (43:52)

You can never look at her on a movie, on a movie screen and think, oh, my God, that's a great actress. You will only now ever see her as the person that accused Justin Baldoni.

Kail Lowry (44:03)

So why do you think that happens to people like her or Nikki, but it doesn't happen to people? Like, I mean, who's another person who's like, like you're saying, is it though. Because, like, nothing to do with Astro.

Ray Clark (44:13)

World, that that's not life changing. It doesn't impact people in a negative manner. I mean, it's like, it's like Kim Kardashian, right? I made a video saying, Kim Kardashian does not have a Hollywood star. It is not to degrade her. It's not to say that she hasn't put in hard work. Right. But there's a reason why she's coming out in movies. There's a reason why she's coming out in shows. It is because Hollywood doesn't have a specific place for reality tv. She became popular because of being popular. Right. They don't have a star for that. She has to have a certain amount. Kanye tried to buy her star for her. All Hollywood has to. They all have to buy their star. But Hollywood, you have to be hit.

Kail Lowry (44:55)

Certain, like, have certain credentials, like acting or what?

Ray Clark (44:58)

You have to have a certain credential. But people also have to be like. What's the word? Like, no. They have to, like, promote you or what's the word? You have to have sponsors.

Kail Lowry (45:09)

Oh, for a Hollywood star.

Ray Clark (45:11)

Yes.

Kail Lowry (45:11)

Oh, you have to sign me up.

Ray Clark (45:12)

You have to have sponsors. So. Because, yes, she could have sponsors. Kanye was one of her sponsors. Hollywood still said, no, she does not fit the criteria.

Kail Lowry (45:21)

Interesting. So now. But now if she's in shows and movies and things like that, she could potentially hit the criteria.

Ray Clark (45:28)

Right? So. And that's why. That's why she's in movies. That's why she's in shows. Now. When I watch the show that she was on, like, all's fair in the beginning, I was like, this is.

Kail Lowry (45:38)

So what were your thoughts on that? I saw that people hated it the.

Ray Clark (45:41)

First couple episodes, so my followers were like, dude, you have to, like, follow through.

Kail Lowry (45:45)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ray Clark (45:46)

So watching the first couple episodes, it was it. If you continue watching it, the story lines are really good. So.

Kail Lowry (45:53)

Well, also, she's new to acting, new ish.

Ray Clark (45:55)

Right.

Kail Lowry (45:55)

So she has to get comfortable.

Ray Clark (45:57)

If you push through it, you start to forget that she's on reality tv.

Kail Lowry (46:01)

Okay.

Ray Clark (46:02)

So it is worth the watch.

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Ray Clark (47:51)

Because people love a scandal.

Kail Lowry (47:54)

They don't love my scandals, but they do. They put me on my ass. No, I made. Started making less money, less views, less.

Ray Clark (48:00)

Everything because they want a scandal.

Kail Lowry (48:03)

Well, what do I. Sign me up. What's the next one?

Ray Clark (48:07)

You already signed up when you said 20, 26. I'm holding nothing back.

Kail Lowry (48:11)

Fair. Fine. But I'm just, I'm so curious because it's like certain people get canceled. Certain people don't. Certain people, it affects their career and definitely they can never come back. Certain people are like, oh, these scandals are building them up.

Ray Clark (48:24)

When I. When I became friends with Caitlyn and Tyler, I lost so many followers. Really? Oh, yeah. But I didn't give a. Because I stood to my truth. I know the truth. So I'm standing 10 toes down. I don't give a. Unless they give me a reason to give a. Right. So I'm standing 10 toes down. And everybody, like I told you from the beginning, everybody knows I'm always going to be 100, transparent.

Kail Lowry (48:48)

So if some, if you guys did have a falling out or you no longer agreed with them, you would say it to them. Like, it's not like you're.

Ray Clark (48:53)

As a friend, I'm always going to tell you to your face.

Kail Lowry (48:56)

Yeah.

Ray Clark (48:56)

I'm like, look, I'm gonna talk about it, but I'm gonna tell you first, you know, I. I respect my friendships enough to be 100 transparent.

Kail Lowry (49:05)

Yeah. Interesting. Okay. I just never know what the hell is going on. I don't know why certain things stick and certain things don't. Like, I am fascinated by it.

Ray Clark (49:14)

I'm surprised that you don't see. Like, I think that you. Maybe your money has dropped, maybe followers have dropped, but I don't think that it is because of you. I think it is because of social media and just general.

Kail Lowry (49:22)

Okay, that's fair. I mean, I'm. I guess I was surprised though, because.

Ray Clark (49:26)

I mean, like, Tick Tock, even like with. In payment wise, like, Tick Tock has gone down.

Kail Lowry (49:33)

I think it's gonna get worse.

Ray Clark (49:34)

Oh, yeah.

Kail Lowry (49:34)

So if Tick Tock doesn't stay where it's at right now, and it's kind of like iffy right now, where will you move your platform? Do you have a lot of success on, like, Facebook and Snapchat?

Ray Clark (49:44)

Yeah. So I had like a really big following when I had reality TV with Ray on my Facebook. And then I got hacked. Hacked. And the hacker took over my payment. They stole thousands.

Kail Lowry (49:55)

Same.

Ray Clark (49:56)

Yeah. And Facebook would not. They were like, well, sorry. So finally, after I was dealing with for like six months.

Kail Lowry (50:02)

And were they posting the craziest videos and then collecting money on it?

Ray Clark (50:05)

I was posting the videos. They had access to my funds, so.

Kail Lowry (50:09)

I was posting videos and they were posting their own videos. Like really random, like cooking meat in the streets of India like crazy. I swear to God. And they were taking the money on my videos and their own whatever they were posting. And this went on for years. Years. I'm that the Kaylin Lowry verified Facebook page has never made money until. I think maybe we just got it monetized like yesterday.

Ray Clark (50:30)

Dude, I. I spoke with Meta.

Kail Lowry (50:32)

They were taking it.

Ray Clark (50:33)

Yeah, they just told me. They were like, well, sorry. Basically you have to ask the hacker to give it back to you.

Kail Lowry (50:37)

Great.

Ray Clark (50:37)

If you found a way to fix that, please let me know.

Kail Lowry (50:40)

I just got it back. So I, like, literally within the last couple days. But for years and years, I've had that page for, I don't know, years.

Ray Clark (50:46)

Because everyone started with Facebook and everything.

Kail Lowry (50:49)

So you would have to start over on Facebook.

Ray Clark (50:51)

I had to start over. Yeah. So I'm not from. So I'm going from like 80,000 to 5,000.

Kail Lowry (50:56)

What about. Have you tried Snapchat?

Ray Clark (50:59)

No.

Kail Lowry (50:59)

Try Snapchat.

Ray Clark (51:01)

I don't think people care for me on Snapchat.

Kail Lowry (51:03)

Really?

Ray Clark (51:04)

Like, I don't think I'm. I'm popular enough Okay, I will try Snapchat, but for now I just have Tick tock and Facebook and Instagram and.

Kail Lowry (51:11)

All right, so where can people find you? Where can people find what you report on and what shows shows you watch and who you what you cover?

Ray Clark (51:17)

Yeah, it's like so tick tock, Facebook and Instagram is all. Ray Clark.

Kail Lowry (51:22)

Perfect. Thank you so much for coming on. Barely.

Ray Clark (51:24)

Thank you for having me.

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