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Absolutely.
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And you're promoting your new movie. Do you want to talk about it? So dateless to Dangerous, and it premieres June 21st on Lifetime.
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Yeah, Lifetime at 8pm 7 Central. And, yeah, I'm really proud of it.
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Okay, well, let's talk about it. I don't know anything about it. Obviously, it's not the 21st yet, so tell me about it.
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So the movie is date to Dangerous, My Son's Secret Life. And it is about sort of. Well, not sort of, but it is about the incel culture that we're really dealing with right now and a lot of the really toxic masculinity and racism, misogyny that are taking hold of different corners of the Internet. And I play Noelle, who's a mom who's kind of going through a separation with her husband at the time, and she's got two teenage kids, Miles and Haley. And Miles is really struggling. Dad's out of the house, and he's kind of struggling to connect, find friends, find his place, and he, you know, gets rejected by a girl, and things just aren't going his way. And he starts kind of finding in the gaming community and in the online, you know, manosphere sort of thing. Really, really dark and uncomfortable and misogynistic. Racist. Just the thing. The worst things that we see on the Internet, and we're seeing it happen more and more. And so this really addresses, you know, I think a lot of times we have seen them as, you know, the school shooters or the sort of disaffected young men, and we're seeing it just more and more often, and that's really what this movie was about. And, you know, having teenage daughters myself, I was, like, really interested in bringing this to life.
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So is that what sort of drew you to want to audition for this?
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They actually sent me the script, and I read it, and. And I was really interested in it. One, because I think it's an incredibly important topic that we need to address, and two, because I was just excited to be able to, you know, do something so different than what people have seen me do before.
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How was it different than doing, like, sitcoms or.
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It's. I mean, it's different in every way. Yeah. But it's. It's nice because I. I. I love performing. I love acting. I love doing comedy, but I also love doing stuff that's a little bit darker and, you know, more along the lines of stuff I watch because I definitely don't watch sitcoms and things.
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Yeah, you don't watch sitcoms?
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No, I don't.
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Oh, My gosh.
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What do you watch a lot? I watch a lot of weird documentaries.
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Okay.
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And, yeah, I don't watch a ton of television.
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Okay, fair.
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I read a lot of books. I'm a nerd.
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Oh, okay. What's your favorite book?
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Ooh, there's a whole series of books by an author, a Spanish author named Carlos Ruiz Zafon, and he wrote an entire series of books called the Cemetery of Forgotten Books. And it is an incredible journey through Civil war era, like 1930s Spain. And it's got elements of like, sort of that magical realism and like some dark kind of gothic tones, some historical fiction, you know, I love it. And he's an incredible writer.
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My friend Emily and I also run a book club, so we're big book girlies. And actually just had a couple authors here yesterday, so that's exciting. I didn't know you'd read.
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Yeah, yeah.
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What do you remember about growing up in la? And you still live there?
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I do. I still live there. Growing up in la. I remember when you used to be able to get from Orange county to LA in under an hour. I remember the days of less traffic. That's what I remember. But no, I mean, I honestly, I remember. The joke is always. I remember, like, reading a Thomas Guide, like, the paper maps as a kid, because my mom would be taking me to auditions all over la.
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Yeah.
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And I was five years old, sitting in the passenger seat, like, all right, we gotta get to La Brea, you know, and looking it up and. Yeah, I just. I remember a lot of time in the car in la, going back and forth to auditions or back and forth to, you know, the Full House set.
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Yeah.
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And we lived, like I said, a little bit outside of la. So it was a lot of time in the car. Me and my mom got.
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Growing up. Did you ever. Did you always want to do Hallmark films or Lifetime movies or did. Or was that just sort of.
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That was. You know, it sort of came about after I came back and was doing a lot of Fuller House stuff. And one of the things that Hallmark loves to do is bring back, you know, a lot of fan favorite stars to do their movies. People that, you know, were in the 90s that everyone grew up with.
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Yeah.
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You know, it sort of brings that sense of comfort. And I know that Hallmark movies, Christmas movies, rom coms, all that, that's something they definitely like to capitalize on.
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Well, I think people love a good crossover, and so when they see their favorite, you know, sitcom stars or whatever it is, you know. Come on. I think I had. Tamara Mowry was. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she was in a Hallmark Christmas movie, which was cool. And so that makes sense that they would pick people from.
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Yeah, they pick people, I think, that have that. That have a following, because one thing I know, too, about, like, Hallmark and. And Hallmarkies, as they call themselves, I think they really attach themselves to a particular star or celebrity of the different movies, and they're just excited to watch anything that they do. So it's. You know, the fans are really great and give us a lot of opportunity to keep having fun and working. Yeah.
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When you were filming Dating to Dangerous, what was the set like compared with, like, a sitcom? Like Full House or Fuller House?
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Well, I mean, a sitcom, you're shooting four cameras at once, so a sitcom is more almost like a. Like a. Like a play because you have your live audience or just sort of your camera row so everything faces out like a theater would.
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Okay.
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When you're shooting, like, a Lifetime movie or something like that, they call it single cam. There's usually two cameras, but it is more done in a space like this. So you are setting up different cameras, and then we've got to get coverage of you. So now we've got to move all the cameras and the lighting and everything. When you're doing a sitcom, everything is lit. You've got four cameras, and you're trying to get all the shots that you need of everything that's happening at once.
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Okay.
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So single cam world, movie world, is much slower.
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Yeah.
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And it's a much different pace than, like, a sitcom. A sitcom is kind of a machine that's running. And, like, single cam is like a lot of the Hurry up and wait, where you're like, we need you on set right now. And then it's two hours because they're relighting something or.
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And more in, like, a realistic setting where. Like a sitcom.
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Yeah, more in a realistic setting or more. What I'll say is like a. Almost like a 3D set.
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Okay.
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Like, it has four walls, typically.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Or at least. It's just. You're bringing the cameras in a lot closer. So. Yeah, it's a. It's a different thing. And I directed an episode of. Of Fuller House, so I got to direct a sitcom, which is. You know, it's a lot of moving parts to that.
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Well, what was the difference between acting and directing for you then?
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Oh, my gosh. Well, I was acting and directing that week, so I was. It was like, different hats, but, I mean, I loved it. And I Think, you know, it was interesting. What I realized is the second I would stand behind the director's podium and be watching the scene sort of play out and giving notes or whatever, I immediately would start referring to everyone as their character name.
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Okay.
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But when I was on the other side and in the scene with everyone, it was like I referred to all of them by their normal name. And it was almost like when I took myself out of it, it became distant. You know what I mean? It became more of like a tableau that I was playing with and directing. And then when I would be in it, I was like, oh, no, no, now I'm in this. So. Yeah, but it was. I mean, it was a lot because it was a very heavy step episode. There was, you know, quite a bit of scenes that I was in. So it was a lot of kind of running back and forth. But I like doing that stuff. I like to keep my brain over occupied.
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Well, sometimes that's how we have to do it.
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Yes.
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But through all of it, whether it's sitcom, lifetime, anything, do you ever run into people calling you by your charact name instead of your name?
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All the time.
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Does that bother you?
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No. No. Because I also know that, like, most people have grown up seeing my face of associating it with the name Stephanie.
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Right.
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No, I don't care.
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It's no resentment.
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No, no. I get to do what I do and continue to do it 37, 38 years later because people fell in love with Stephanie. Like, I'm not mad at that.
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Oh, I love that.
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I call people that I've known my whole life by the wrong name. So they've never met me before. What do they know?
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Do you ever talk about your childhood and how you were raised and being ad. Yeah. Okay, can we talk about it a little bit?
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I was adopted before I even remember. You know, I was like 14, 15 months when it was finalized. But I, you know, I spent my first Christmas with my mom and dad that adopted me. So I've really always known them as my parents.
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Right.
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But, you know, I always talk about being adopted because one, I think, particularly in the 80s and prior to having a lot more open discussions about reproductive health and IVF and all these things, being adopted was kind of a thing that people didn't really talk about. It was kind of like, you know, there was not a shame to it, but it was like, oh, that's not your real kid. And people would say. People would say, oh, that's your. That's your adopted kid. That's not your real kid. That's your real kid.
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Right.
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You know, and, and I think my parents just never really wanted that. And they also, you know, never wanted everything about my life history coming out at 5 or 6 years old when I had no control over it.
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Right.
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But no, my parents were always very open about me being adopted. And you know, I think once I had, once. Well, I know that once I had kids of my own, particularly my older daughter, and was still kind of struggling with trying to get my shit together and get sober, I had a whole different experience and realization of sort of the fear and all of the things that go into why someone would give a child up for adoption.
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Sure.
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And it had nothing to do with the baby. You know what I mean? And I, it wasn't until I was the parent and realized like, oh, this is all my own stuff, you know, that, that I was like dealing with and I suddenly was able to give that sort of consideration to my birth mom at the time of like, oh, yeah, your life was a mess. Like, this had nothing to do with me. In fact, you, this was the best thing you could have done for me.
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Sure.
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And it, you know, it just gives you a little bit different perspective. And I find that talking about being adopted, so many people are like, oh my gosh, me too. And immediately it's, there's a, there's a link and there is a connection and there is, you know, there is something different about being adopted and knowing that you're in your family and you love your family, but that at the same time people like, oh, you look just like your mom and you're like, do it. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, you know, or the assumptions that people make like that. And you know, oh, did you get that from your mom or your dad's side? And you're like, I don't know.
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So, growing up, did you always know who your birth parents were?
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I didn't know them. They. My. My. My birth father was in prison when I was born, and he was actually killed in a prison riot in Soledad Prison when I was about nine months old. And then my birth mom was in jail when I was born in la, and so she gave birth to me at USC county hospitals, where they take all the female inmates. And she had. So my biological dad's cousins were my adopted dad's children.
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Hold on.
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I know I need to. I always say I need to draw, like, people like, oh, so he's your uncle. Like, no, he's not my uncle. So my dad's ex wife.
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Okay.
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My adopted dad's ex wife.
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Okay.
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She was my biological dad's aunt.
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Okay. So you are related.
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So, weirdly, I'm not related. So I'm not related technically to my dad by blood or anything. And he was. And they were right. Split at the time, but technically I am related by blood to his kids.
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Oh.
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Because they're my husband.
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Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
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So it's interesting because I do have some information and some connection about my birth dad that I've been able to ask. But, you know, my parents also didn't know them really, like, very well. And it was, you know, again, it was a different time. So it was like, you know, you knew you were adopted, but it wasn't like, let's not tell anybody. Right. You know, but yeah, I always knew who. You know, I knew that I was adopted. I knew I was, you know, that I didn't grow in my mom's belly, but I grew in her heart, that kind of stuff. But it wasn't until I was like, maybe, I don't know, 11 or 12 that I. I started finding out kind of all of the backstory information about my mom and dad being killed and, you know, all this kind of stuff that, you know, you don't really tell like a seven year old.
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Right, right, right. But you were on TV at that time. So how much of your childhood or your knowledge of your childhood or, you know, where, where you came from shaped your life at that time?
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I mean, I. Probably more than I know. You know, I think, I mean, I, I was, I did some thing with attachment style the other day and they were talking about, you know, some of the most formative times in your Life, the first 18 months of your life. And so I think a lot of the, you know, maladaptive skills, shall we say, that I had for dealing with pain and trauma and uncomfortableness were sort of stemmed from, you know, that first bit of life when it was insecure and there weren't, there were different people coming in and out. I didn't have that secure attachment and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And I, it was. All I knew about my biological parents was that they both struggled with some addiction issues.
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Okay.
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And so I think there was also a weird part of me that. Because that was kind of all I knew about them when I was younger. It was almost like a weird connection to them.
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Okay.
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And I knew the second that I started drinking, like I was not like other people, but I was like, oh, but I'm like them. You know what I mean? So, yeah, there's. And as you're 14, 15 year old, you don't know who the hell you are anyway. And then add that on and add on being on TV and all of that. It was. Sure know it was. It's been a long journey of self discovery.
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Even now, I'm sure today you're still.
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Yeah, yeah, I, I mean, that's kind of the whole point of this whole life thing is you keep growing and digging in there. But at 43, I am much more secure and happy in myself than, you know, ever. 20.
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Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah. But you started acting when you were five.
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I was about four when I started acting, like four and a half.
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Did you just go to your mom and say, hey, I want to do this or how did that come about?
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So I started out in dance when I was three. I loved it. I also was a very early reader. I was reading at 3 and so, you know, I was able to read scripts and, you know, read books and things like that. I love performing. I was very animated and you know, people would always tell my mom, like, oh, she should do commercials or something. And my parents had zero interest in the business, zero connection to the business. Like, my parents were not the people that Were like, we want you to be famous, so we're included. My mom was like, absolutely not. Do not point the camera this way. Yeah. And, yeah, you know, I started doing it at like, at 4, but it became about. Because I told my mom I wanted to be a modeler, which is what I call people on tv. And I started doing dance and like my first dance recital when I sort of wormed my way up from the second row into the front because those bitches weren't doing it right. You know, I got up to the front and my mom was like, maybe we should put her in. So she seems to really like this.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, I just always loved it. I loved performing. I did commercials, booked a ton of commercials, and then did a guest appearance on another sitcom that was the same producers that would eventually do Full House. And they had Full House in development. It was just kind of an idea at the time. And they were like, that's Stephanie Tanner. And I got cast from doing that one episode of Valerie with Jason Bateman and Valerie Harper. And yeah, I got cast on Full House from that. And then everything else is just sort of history.
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Were you able to live a normal life and go to public school just like other kids your age? Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, I. I sort of went back and forth. But our producers were really. I mean, our set was such a great place to grow up. And it was such an anomaly in sort of the world of child stars, you know what I mean? We had such a close, connected cast and crew. Our producers, everybody looked out for the kids, loved the kids. It was not. We were never looked at as like, commodities. It was like, what's in their best interest? And then let's try and figure out how we can work around that. And so for me, you know, I. They were able to let me go to regular school three days a week. So Mondays we didn't work after like the second season. We had a four day work week. Tuesday through Friday. Mondays I'd be in school all day. Tuesday. Wednesdays I would be there till lunch. And then Thursday and Friday I was school on set. So I got kind of this hybrid thing. But I went to a public school in Orange County. Nobody else was in the business. I had normal friends. I still, to this day, like, most of my friends are not in this business. If they are, they're like crew. Cause we're crazy actors. But I, you know, it's. I just like life was very normal other than this. This thing that I did that other people watched and I never watched the Show. I didn't care. I wasn't impressed by it, like being on tv.
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Yeah.
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So for me, it was just very normal.
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That's so interesting. And you don't have the same experience then as some of the actors on, like, quiet on set and stuff. So how does that.
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Oh, God.
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Now, how do you, I guess, empathize with them? Because obviously it didn't happen to you, but that doesn't.
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It didn't happen to me, but I. I know plenty of people who it has happened to. And I also know that, like, maybe it wasn't. It wasn't painful. It wasn't an uncomfortable situation, but being a working child actor comes with a lot of responsibilities and a lot of shit that gets put on your shoulders that I don't think you really kind of pick through until you're a little bit older. And, you know, I wouldn't change anything. I love what I did, but I definitely am like, oh, yeah. There's a lot to being a child actor that is placed upon, you know, sort of the shoulders of very young people. And I'm really glad for some of it. I have an incredible work ethic from it. I love it. I've. I get to do what I love to do. But it's also like. Yeah, but at six years old, I knew, like, you don't get sick days. You. You know what I mean? You gotta get up. If you. If you're not feeling it today, it doesn't matter. You've got 250 people that are counting on you, and you've got. You got to do.
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Right.
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And so you, at a very early age, learn sort of, okay, my needs come second to what has to get done. And that does. That isn't always great because then you continually put your needs to the back burner, right? Because you're like, oh, that just feels normal and comfortable.
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But you didn't know any different either.
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No, I didn't know any different. And, you know, again, like, my parents were very normal. Our producers tried to make it the most normal experience possible, but, you know, it is. You're working, but there's no bad days.
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You said there's no days off, but there's probably no meltdowns. You can't have meltdowns. You can't.
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Yeah, and I wasn't that kid. Anyway. The only time I ever got upset, my mom still talks about it and I joke about it with Jeff Franklin, our creator and executive producer. There was, like, some dream sequence thing that Stephanie was doing, and there were costumes.
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Okay.
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I love A good costume. And there was. They custom made this like very 1930s, 40s Busby Berkeley sort of turquoise satin gown with like boas at the bottom. And I was dancing, so I was loving it and I loved that dress. But in the dream sequence, I. Then there's like another part of it that's like a little sort of hot pants, cute, like little onesie sequined outfit. I didn't like that as much because it didn't twirl. And so I was like, I don't know, 7, 8? And they were like, okay, you have to change that. And I was like, I really like the other outfit. And my mom was like, you gotta do it. You know? And it was the first and only time that I was like, but I really like this outfit. Usually I was like, yeah, whatever. I don't care. And for whatever reason, I was real stuck on that. And I think because it was. They created it for me. I got to go to the wardrobe department at Sony Studios, which was where they did wizard of Oz and all, you know.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, this is cool. Like, this is so important. But that was like the only time that I really ever. And our producers were like, you've got to go change.
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We have.
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This is. You know. And he pulled my mom aside, was like, I can't have an 8 year old, like freaking out and we gotta do it. And she's like, I know, Jeff, I'm trying.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. Did you get to keep the dress?
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No, I didn't get to keep the dress.
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Oh, damn.
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No, I didn't get to keep the dress. But that's okay. It was all stuff like that they keep for wardrobe.
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Like, makes sense.
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You're technically not supposed to take anything with you, but we would. Fair season. Fair.
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You're like, if I really love something.
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Yeah. If we loved something, our wardrobe people would give it to us. Back in the days when, you know, shows had money.
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Well, cables. Cable is weird now.
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So I feel like cable streaming. Yeah, yeah. Can you do it all for $5?
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Yeah.
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When you graduated high school, so what was the deciding factor for you? You were like, I'm an actor, but I still want to go to college.
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I'm a big nerd. I love learning, I love school. Would probably be going to school for something right now, getting my master's in something if I weren't doing this. I, I don't know. Maybe I will someday, who knows? But no, I, I always, I always loved school. I was always really good at school. And you know, the show ended right after like my eight, right around my eighth grade year. And so I started high school and went to performing arts high school, did musical theater and, and really loved that, but was like, okay, well I'm, I always always planned to go to college. That was always the thing. I didn't know what I wanted to do or what I was going to do. But yeah, that was always something that I, I wanted to do and I like learning.
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A
And you had a little bit of a break between when you finished Full House and you went to college, but did it still feel like a break?
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B
I did. I never really walked away from the business entirely. Even when I wasn't working consistently, even as an adult. It was like, I never was like, oh, I don't want to do this anymore. It was like, well, leave the door open, but Bill's gotta get paid.
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Right.
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B
Time to get a job.
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A
Yeah.
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And, you know, there was some time in between, but I did, you know, episodes of. I did like four or five episodes of Party of five with Lacey Chabert, and I did a show called yes Dear. And, you know, I did like, bits and pieces on different things, but really just was kind of enjoying like the normalcy of going to school and just being there every day.
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Yeah. No, that makes sense.
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Yeah. By the time most other kids were like, I hate school. I'm here every day, I was like, oh, my God, I get to go every day.
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You know, you kind of live the best of both worlds, right? Because you got to still do what you love, but also go to school and live a normal, normal life. Yeah.
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And I also realized, you know, as I got older and, and got my ADHD diagnosis and all of this stuff, I was like, oh, I actually was set up for success in a way that I didn't even understand at the time because I would always get in trouble. Talking, getting up, passing notes. I could like, I. I would get all the work done, but I was like, oh, my God, this is so interminable. Why are we still here?
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Yeah.
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And I'd be talking to friends and always in trouble for that.
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A
Yeah.
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But getting the work done two days a week with a tutor, it was like, it was me and a teacher in a classroom. I'd be tipping back in the chair. She was like, can you do your math, please? You know, But I got attention and tutoring and one on one focus, and it really helped. So I learned, like, this whole sort of set of skills that I don't. I think I would have really struggled with in school had I not been sort of doing this hybrid thing where I got some one on one focused attention and normal school environment stuff.
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Well, that brings me to my next question. Was there anything that stuck with you from your education specifically? But I think you just answered that with the one on one. I think it's so important, especially, you know, for kids that have ADHD or any sort of.
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B
Both my girls, both my girls have it. And I, I was like, I would score higher on any of these questions than they would. I think it's me, the calls coming from inside the house, you know. But it, it, I think is one of the things that actually made me really successful in this business.
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Yeah.
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Is being able to do multiple things at a time and being. Enjoying being busy and going and, you know, being able to focus on a bunch of different stuff at a young age. Like, that actually worked really well for me.
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Yeah, it did. Did you think growing up that you would still be acting in your 40s, or did.
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B
You know what? I never really thought about it. Yeah. I'm still, to this day, people like, so, what's your plan for the next 10 years? I'm like, I don't know. Do we ever know some people have plans? I am not a planner person. I am. This is not how I live my life. Obviously. Four divorces later, but I, you know, or three divorces in a marriage. Four marriages. I'm just not. It's not how I, like, operate. I'm like, I don't know. Life is weird. Who knows where it'll go?
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Yeah.
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But I, you know, I knew that I love to do this. I knew that as long as I get opportunities to do it, I will keep doing it. I love every aspect of this business. I have such admiration and love for Cruise and the art of doing anything in entertainment. It's just. It's fun. It's a weird little group of, like, a. This carny family that you sort of travel with, and it's fabulous, you know.
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A
So you directed an episode or episodes of Full Fuller House? Yeah.
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B
Yeah. Fuller.
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Would you ever direct a Lifetime movie?
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B
Absolutely. I would love to. Yeah. I would love to get back to directing more. It was a really wonderful opportunity. And I. I found. I've just really, like, again, having 9,000 things going on. And, you know, I was like, oh, this is my. This is my happy place. Little controlled chaos.
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Yeah, I love that.
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B
But I do. I love it. I love creating, and I love working with actors. And as a director, you know, that's one of the most important things that you're doing is really working with actors. And having been on the other side of it, you're like, I know what works. I know it doesn't ask questions. Don't you know all those kinds of things that you just get from being on the other side of it. But, yeah, I would love to direct more. That's kind of where I want to go. I don't always want to be in front of the camera.
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I would imagine it would be nice to be on the other side.
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B
I want to get tattooed and just be like, well, I'm very tattooed on places you can't see. But, like, you know, I'm like, that's. I Just like. Like, at some point in my life, I'm like, I don't. I don't need to be the face of stuff.
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Yep.
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But I love creating. So would.
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A
If you got tattoos on your arms, would that prevent you from getting.
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I mean, I have a couple here now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I got one on my back. I got one big thigh piece. I've got both ribs done. I got my low back. I got. Yeah, I'm slowly. I'm running out of space, basically. Yeah.
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But if you had them visible, would it prevent you from getting a roll somewhere? Would they cover it up? Or how does that work?
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Cover it up? They. I mean, now you can cover. Cover up with airbrush and all the stuff, but it's more that. It's like, do you want to spend two hours every day covering up your tattoos when you already have to come in two hours early for hair and makeup? Like, do I want to come in at 4:30 in the morning to cover all that up or do I want to go? You know, I'm gonna give it time until maybe my hallmark careers or lifetime careers, you know, gone through a little bit and I'm behind the camera, then we'll do it.
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You know, I guess that makes sense. Yeah.
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B
But I basically, I'm like, I just, just, I. I love this business and anything that I can do to continue creating, whether it's directing, writing, comedy, doing standup, performing, you know, all of it, I just, I love it.
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A
What were the biggest differences from filming Full House as a child and then filling. Filming Fuller House as an adult?
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B
I mean, definitely having more creative input, which was so cool. You know, as a kid, you're. It's just kind of like you do what's written, but, you know, and getting to come back to characters that had been part of us for so many years, you get to fill in the blanks in between, you know, and like, you don't usually get to do that with a role. Like, you never go away for 20 years and then go wonder what the hell she's been up to, you know, and we got to do that. And yeah, it was. That was really different was getting to have a voice and like a voice in how we wanted scripts to go, what we liked, what we didn't like. It definitely gave me a much greater sense of how to stand up for myself and how to say what I wanted and say, this is what I'm doing. This is not what I'm doing, or whatever. And it was also really cool to be the adults now in a Situation working with young kids in the business who this was also kind of their first time and being like, dude, I get it. I've been there. And I connected with the kids really well. And particularly Elias, who played Max on the show. You know, he was a hyperactive little boy, and so sometimes he would be just all over the place. And I was like, bro, look, come here. You wanna go home? I want to go home.
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Yeah.
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Chill out. Let's do this and let you know. And he'd be like, okay. And he'd get it done and get it done. And it's like. But there was a nice understanding and relating to, like, I know it's a long day, dude. Yeah. And you've had to do school. Like, it sucks.
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Yeah.
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B
And I felt really glad to be able to offer some of those, you know, of advice and, like, understanding and comfort and, you know, full circle.
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A
That's really cool. Is it? You have the same wiggle room in a Lifetime movie that you do for, like, you said that for Fuller House, you sort of had a say. Did you? Do you get to.
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B
Yeah, you know what I do, I often wind up either producing or executive producing a lot of most of the movies that I do. And, you know, at this stage in the game, I do get more input. And it's also, you know, as an actor, as you get older, when you're a kid, you're like, I don't know. I'm just having fun. Like, as an actor, when you get older, you're like, oh, yeah, no, I'm. I'm breaking down a character. I'm, like, thinking about stuff. And so a lot of times something will be written and you're like, I just. That's not who she is.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And they listen, so it's great. And I, I love collaborating, rewriting, do, you know, like, working to create the best, most authentic things possible, even if it's something that's not super serious or whatever. You know, this project, you know, the Dateless Dangerous, happens to have a much more serious tone. But, yeah, I like, I, I just like to be able to work with others and have input and talk to the director and the writer and the producers and be like, how do we. This isn't working. How do we make it work?
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A
Yeah. How does it feel knowing that you can do all the things, like you can do the sitcom and you can do the Lifetime movie and you can do something serious and you can do something funny?
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B
You know, I, I, I love it. Like I said, I love performing, entertaining, bringing human connection to life on screen or in the theater or whatever. Yeah, I mean, I sing, I dance, I act, I just. I love it. It makes my. I never feel more at home than I do when I'm on set.
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B
Oh, Jody and Stephanie are very, very close in who they are partly because as a kid they sort of wrote around what, who we were as kids. Like, oh, cool, you know, Stephanie was a dancer because they were like, what's your special skills? And I was like, I can dance. So it, it makes it much easier to make a kid who is a dancer a dancer than like you're going to do, correct? Yeah, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So you know There was a lot of who we were as people sort of tied into our characters. But, yeah, you know, I. Steph and I are very similar in some ways.
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A
Do you ever feel like you were typecasted? Is it called typecasted when you're like, okay, I'm Stephanie and I can't go anywhere else?
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B
Oh, for sure. I mean, when I first ended the show, you know, I really wanted to do other different stuff. And I was in acting classes and, you know, loved performing and would go out on things that were more serious or dramatic or whatever. And, you know, oftentimes you'd walk into a room back when you walked into a room to audition, and it's not self tape, it's all self tapes anymore. You don't see any humans. Oh, it sucks. But you would walk in a room to audition, and they'd be like, oh, my God, I love you on flop. Can you say how rude? And you're like, I should just leave.
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Maybe this was a bad idea.
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B
I don't. Obviously you can't see me as anything else. And, you know, for a while there, I think actors, when you get known as something, you're like, you love it, but you're also like, but I. There's so much more. There's so much more. And, you know, I think that it took a little while, but it also. I was glad I got a little bit of time to kind of walk away. And, you know, even as an adult, I worked in drug and alcohol treatment for, like, six, seven years. I kind of walked away from the business and loved that and found a whole other skill set of things that I'd never even attempted to do or thought. You know, I was director of operations and doing logistical planning for, you know, a staff of 120 people. And all of that stuff came in really handy when I went back and directed. But it was stuff that I never thought of, like, you know, and I was just happy. I'm like, cool wherever I am. I'll bloom where I'm planted. I'll have fun. And, yeah, so it was like coming back to do all of those things was. It was a real learning experience that kind of all of your life will come together sort of.
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At one point, point when you took a break from the business, what was the deciding factor for you?
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I have bills to pay. I had two kids and bills to pay and, you know, burnout part of
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Because I hadn't been when I was young, I was still continuing to audition and do all that I never, like. I said, I never really walked away and was like, I'm not doing this anymore. It was like, well, I'm not auditioning as much, and now I have kids, and I can't, like, just drop everything, you know, whenever I want. So how do I find something else that I'm good at that I love? And, you know, I went into mental health care and drug and alcohol treatment, and I loved it. I would probably still be working on my master's or, you know, doctorate or something in that field.
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Right.
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But it was more so that it was like, okay, like, we gotta get a job.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, I started at the bottom. I was, like, making 10 bucks an hour, like, you know, washing dishes and, like, emptying trash cans and stuff while I was in school. And people would be like, like, are you. You know, you look like. And I was like, yeah, I'm here. They're like, why are you here? I was like, why wouldn't I be like.
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I was about to ask you that. I feel like I'm working, even myself. Like, I don't feel like I could leave this world and, like, go work.
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B
Yeah.
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Like a restaurant or something, because I wouldn't even know where to. How to. Where would I start? So how was that for you?
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B
Yeah, you started the bottom. You worked.
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You were just like, it, I'm gonna go do this.
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I don't. I have zero ego about any of it. Like, I don't care that I was on tv. I don't think that there's anything special about people who are in front of the camera. And I was like, I. I gotta get a job.
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Yeah.
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Why wouldn't I? Okay. I'm not gonna walk in and expect to go into an entirely different field and be like, because of who I am, I should start ahead of everyone else. I was like, no, I gotta start at the bottom and prove myself just like anybody else.
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And people were shocked by that.
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Yeah, of course.
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I think I would be shocked.
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B
Yeah. It was also kind of a trip, though, because people were coming in and they're, like, newly detoxing. And then they're like, wait a minute.
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A
Did you.
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B
Am I really. Am I really up? Are you the girl from Full House? And I was like, no, I am. Yeah. They're like, God, I thought I was having some sort of a, you know, like, a detox dream. And I was like, no, no. I mean, you might be, but also. Yeah.
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A
Did you ever read about yourself? Like, would people post about it and did that ever, like, freak you out? That People would see you working at, you know, the detox center.
- [48:48]
B
Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, I had exes sell stories about all manner of things, and I'm like, I don't care. I don't, I don't care. There's nothing.
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A
How do I get there?
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B
How old are you?
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A
33.
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B
Oh, girl, you got about 10 years. It's true, though. But I also, I was just like, why am I going to let someone else's perception of what I should or shouldn't be doing or what my status in life should or shouldn't be because of something I did as a kid? It just didn't make sense to me. Like, who cares? Yeah, just go get a job. Do what you got to do.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I loved it and it was fun. And I, Yeah, I, you know, 10, 12 bucks an hour, like I was making. And I'm not making a ton of money, but it was something.
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A
Yeah. You know, stand on your feet.
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B
I was like, okay, this is what we're doing.
- [49:39]
A
Oh, my gosh.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And you have been married four times, is that right?
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B
I have, I have my, My, my husband, Mescal, now this is it. As. I'm too old for this, but I. No, but I. But truthfully, like, it. It took all of that and again, a lot of self discovery, a lot of digging through my own stuff to figure out who I was and then who I was in relationship to other people.
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A
Yeah. So what was that like, trying to figure that out?
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B
I mean, it was three divorces and very messy.
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A
I have four kids, dads, so I got similar.
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B
I get it. Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's. It's not. Not.
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A
I get it.
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B
And I guess I, having grown up in this business and having people always have made assumptions about me going to school that like, oh, she must be stuck up, or, oh, she must be this. I had to learn at a very early age. Like, I can't base myself on what other people think of me because it's not true. And so I think in a lot of ways I was just always very determined to be like, I'm just gonna do me.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And screw what everybody else thinks. And. And, yeah. And so I just kind of have lived my life and it's been messy sometimes and it hasn't been pretty, but I've done a lot of work. Like, I've done a lot of digging and a lot of therapy, you know, same. Yeah. And. And I'm like, so grateful for it, though, you know, and people always ask, like, oh, would you. Do you regret it? Do you. I'm like, look, are there things that, like, you're like, I am so sorry that I did that to somebody. Absolutely. But I don't think. Think I would change it or that I regret it because even those really painful, awful, ugly things I had to look at in myself. That's exactly why I am so comfortable with who I am today. You know, it was because I went, oh, wow, you can be a real. Let's look at that, you know, and then suddenly you're like, oh, it's not. What's so scary? Okay, so I made a mistake. Like, big deal.
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A
Yeah. My therapist said that their impact and influence are different than traumatized being traumatized. And one of the things that I always read is like. Like, my relation, my track record, we'll call it, in relationships, is going to traumatize my kids. That's what I read most about myself.
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B
Yeah, me too. And I'm like, oh, cool.
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A
Do you think that it. Do you think there was trauma in there? Do you think it was more. I mean, I.
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B
Definitely not. Not from. You know, I. I've had several exes who were incredibly emotionally abusive to me, and I, you know, tried to protect my kids from that as much as possible, and they weren't, you know, my kids, dads or anything. But I'm sure that there's. I mean, you can't help but go through life and be affected by what goes on around you. I don't know if there was any trauma. I mean, trauma is also a relative term. What traumatizes one person is also. Can also be very normal or, like, sort of overlooked by someone else.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I don't know. I hope not. But I know that one thing I've always done is talk very openly and honestly to my girls, even when I've made a mistake or when I have, you know, we've had to go through something that hasn't been easy. I'm like, I screwed up.
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A
Yeah.
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B
This is. But I'm really so. But we're gonna make it through, and I've got you, you know, And I
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A
think that's different from how we grew up. Like, we didn't. Maybe I can't speak for you, but I didn't grow up with parents or adults apologizing to kids.
- [52:51]
B
No, not at all.
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A
So that's different.
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B
Not at all. Yeah. And I think. I think, you know, I don't ever apologize to my kids in a way that, like, I need their permission.
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A
Right.
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B
But I apologize to them when I know I. I've been Wrong.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And that happens all the time. It happens all the time. As a parent, when you snap at your kid or you tell them like, absolutely not. No, you're not. And you walk out and you're like, why did I say that? And you're like, oh, I, I'm stressed, I'm tired, I'm overwhelmed, I'm. This has nothing to do, it had nothing to do with them. And I'll walk back and be like, I'm sorry I snapped at you. This has nothing to do with you. Let's talk like, what was the question again? You know, or whatever. Or months later I'll be like, yeah, I handled that really poorly. And that's all I hope is that my kids learn that you can be wrong, make a mistake and move on.
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A
Yeah. No, I've actually seen like in my 7 year old, he'll calm down and then he'll come talk to me because that's something that he's seen me do. My girls too. But speaking of your girls, have they expressed any interest in acting?
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B
My younger one? Yes. So my, my 17 year old is much more of an athlete.
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A
Okay.
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B
When she was younger, she was a little more like kind of into the performing stuff, but as she's gotten older, she's been a little more like, nah. But she is an athlete, really great soccer player and. But my younger one is she has the performance bug for sure. She's in a performing arts school program, musical theater. And she is, and I'm not saying this just because I'm her mom, she is an incredible singer. She's really impressive. I saw her do something recently and I was like, you know when you don't see your kids practice at home and you're like, oh no. Like, I knew she could sing, but I was like, oh, this is gonna go well. And literally audience was like, she sang Last Midnight from Into the woods and absolutely nailed every note in it and killed. And I was like, oh, so then
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A
what do you do? Does she want to go to auditions? How would you support her?
- [54:45]
B
Well, right now she's happy where she is. She likes going to school, she likes having a normal thing. You know, there were times because she was, was like this. When she was four or five years old, she got up. I remember one of our first tapings of Fuller House got up and sang Katy Perry's Roar in front of the entire audience and like nails just for fun. 5.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And she just, she loves it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I though saw in her that she didn't have that thing that you need as a child star, which is that you are willing to put your needs or whatever you want in the moment aside for the longer term goal.
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A
Okay?
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B
And so I was like, that's not who you are. I'm not gonna make that who you are. Enjoy being a kid. You've got all the time in the world to be in the business, and the business is very different now than it was. You know, I. To be a kid in this business, with social media these days, I don't know how to do it. And I wouldn't. I really don't. It was hard enough to not have that stuff and grow up in that world. And I can't imagine having to put yourself out there like that and, you know.
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A
Because of the scrutiny, you mean, or because I guess any.
- [55:54]
B
The cruelty, the. The constant pressure of having to be relevant new. What are you posting? What are you doing? Like, it's. It's a lot.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And that is what people's careers rely on now, particularly young people, you know,
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A
and it goes away so fast.
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B
Like, it goes away so fast. And so you're constantly like, I need to. I need to do more. I need to do more. And I'm like, I'm not putting.
- [56:13]
A
Sounds like me, actually. I mean, I get it. I.
- [56:15]
B
Look, I am notorious for being like, you lazy piece of shit. You need to do more.
- [56:18]
A
More.
- [56:19]
B
You know, I'm like, I'm doing seven jobs.
- [56:21]
A
That makes sense. Because I feel like the urgency maybe in the 90s, wasn't. You don't have to worry about what you're doing between filming seasons or tapes.
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B
You had to worry about something. You had to worry about tabloid reporters.
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A
Okay.
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B
But you didn't have to worry about someone taking a picture of you on your phone or of you posting something stupid in a drunken stupor. You know, like there's just. And as a young person, like, you make so many mistakes. You're so dumb. And now you have the opportunity to share with everyone just how dumb you are. And we should all have the space and freedom to go be dumb and learn things when we're young and work through it and not have to do it on a public stage. And now it's celebrity or not, your life is ruined if you say something or do something that a lot of young people do. Stupid things.
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A
Sure. And if you don't post it yourself, someone else will post it.
- [57:15]
B
Exactly. Someone else will post it. I'm glad I did all my stupid partying. Right. In the days the cell phone cameras were just coming out like the BlackBerry could take a fuzzy photo. You know, I'm like, ooh, miss that.
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A
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B
I mean, not when I was like, not when I was a kid kid, but like in my 20s. Yeah. And you know, because people know who you are, it never kind of goes away from it being in the public eye. And also anything that you go through because you're in the public eye, people just want to pay attention to it, regardless of if it's something that millions of other people are dealing with, somehow it becomes more sensational and it must have to do with the business. And you're like, no, not this. I, and I always say, like, I would have struggled with addiction issues regardless of being on TV or not. And to be fair, that gave me some of the ability to be able to get find treatment and find help in ways that I might not have had I not worked as a child.
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A
Right.
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B
But it's hard, you know, you don't, you have to make all your mistakes very publicly. But yeah, I, I just like looking back on it now, I'm like, I'm glad I did it then.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And not in these later years.
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A
What was, what was the, where was the line for you where you were like, okay, I do need treatment. I want to get treatment. And then also just, just like essentially rebranding or getting your career back. What was that like for you?
- [59:21]
B
Well, I went to treatment in my early 20s and I had gotten, I had been sober before that. I had, you know, I got sober the first time at like 18. It was, it was an up and down thing. It was a lot. And you know, as a young person, you're like, I'm never gonna have any fun again, you know, and so I had kind of ridden that wave A little bit. And then when I went to treatment, the story came out. Someone basically sold the story that I had been in treatment. So the choice was sort of taken away from me. Whether or not I get to come out publicly about this, it was, okay, this is out there publicly. How do you want to deal with it? Do you want to hide from it or do you want to. Are you just going to face it and be like, here we go? I chose to just face it because it's not going to go anywhere. And the more you try to not talk about something, the more people want to talk about it.
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A
Right.
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B
So, you know, after that happened and, and you know, kind of everything got blown up, I was still really struggling with getting sober and having to navigate all of that, you know, in my early to mid-20s, on top of the fact that people still know you so they assume things and you're. We're a child star. So they're like, oh, you're one of those fucked up child stars. And yeah. You know, and you're like, no, I'm just a regular person. I'm just a regular person. You know, I, I lived in a neighborhood that was, you know, middle class neighborhood and, and there were five other kids in that neighborhood who either went to jail for drugs, OD'd in their house in our neighborhood. You know, nobody knew about them.
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A
Right.
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B
But it happens all the time. And you know, I always say that because I'm like, it doesn't have to be someone famous. This happens all the time.
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A
Right.
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B
So I just felt like, okay, well, I guess then I'll talk about it.
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A
Right, Right. And so you did. And then how, what was it like getting, you know, going back into acting after your final treatment, Going to treatment?
- [61:11]
B
Well, I mean, I had gone to treatment in my 20s and then I had kids and then I got sober and then I got drank again and then I got sober. You know, it's been up and down, but it's been, God, 16 years since I've drank alcohol and 13 years since I relapsed on meds with a, a car accident that I was in. Meds, pills were never my thing. And then they prescribed me Somas for which is a muscle relaxer first. And I was like, oh, this is fun. But yeah, I, you know, getting back into acting, it was, it was hard for a little while because it was, you know, again, the only thing that people wanted to talk about. So it was, there were times I was like, oh, why didn't I just keep my mouth shut? Why didn't I just say I don't want to talk about it because now it's all that people want to talk about. But. But, you know, through it, I got to come back to Fuller and, you know, I just never gave up knowing that I had more to offer than just being some salacious story.
- [62:13]
A
Yeah. And did you ever have to, like, spend time rebuilding trust with, like, producers or anything because they looked at you differently or.
- [62:19]
B
No, no, I. No, because I never. I was. I. I didn't come to set loaded. I didn't. Well, that's. I mean. I mean, hungover, sure, but I didn't. I never screwed anything up. And, you know, when I first was going through all this and I wrote my book, I was doing these speaking engagements about being sober and going through treatment, and I still hadn't gotten completely sober yet. And so I was saying I was this person and I was not, but nobody knew. And, you know, sometimes when you can get away with stuff for a long time like, that self loathing is almost worse because you're like, oh, my God, I'm such a liar that nobody can even tell that I'm lying. You know, and it was really hard, and it. I felt, like, terrible about it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then when my book came out, I hadn't told my speaking agents, actually, about some of the stories. And then it was in the book, and so they called and they were like, wait, what? And I was like, oh, yeah, I should have told you guys about that. But honestly, since then, I've done more speaking engagements. Same people, they've come back. I have great relationships with everyone that I work with, even my friends that I used to get loaded with. I've apologized, and they're like, you weren't always, like, a terrible. Like an asshole. You were just insane. And we never knew what. What Jody. We were gonna get. And I was like, that's part of my charm. Yeah.
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A
You still.
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B
Now I'm sober and I'm gonna remember it all. Yeah.
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A
How much of your. Your past, your childhood, your. Your recovery do you talk about with your girls a lot?
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B
Yeah, my girls. I mean, you know, again, there's no hiding from it. They have access to the Internet. They Google everything they want about me.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, and. And it's not like their dads haven't told them stuff about me. So it's like, okay, I'll be honest, because I also think, like, I know me growing up, I had this idea that my parents had never done anything. Anything wrong.
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A
Right.
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B
And I think parents then, like, we Were talking about, you know, we apologize to our kids now, and we have a different relationship. I think parents then it was like, you had to be this sort of this figure in your child's life that was authoritative and knew what they were doing and all that, you know? And so I was like, oh, it's me. I am a horrible person. You know? And as I got older and talked to my mom about certain things, I mean, she was never like I was. But getting to know your parents as people.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Really gives you a whole different experience of them. And so I'm like, I don't want my kids at 30 to be like, oh, you were this, or you. What was going on? I'm like, let's just talk about it now. Like. And we have a much more open, honest relationship. Look, do I think my kids tell me everything? They're 15 and 17. Absolutely not. I know they don't because I see their social media sometimes, and I'm like, you didn't tell me that. But, you know, I also am like, there is nothing that you could do that I probably haven't already done multiple times and gotten through or gotten myself out of. So, like, I'm not gonna judge you. I don't.
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A
It does create a different dynamic, I think, between the parent and child when they. They see you as human and not just a parent. Right, right. Because I have that sort of relationship with my oldest son. Like, he just will come to me about anything and everything because I think that he's seen me be human and not just a mom. And some people will say, well, you have to be a parent before you're a friend. I'm not his friend. I'm just a human.
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B
Exactly. That's. And that's what I was gonna say is like, I still am. Like, I'm still the one that sucks and has to be like, no, you can't do this, or taking the phone or no, whatever.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But it's a different relationship in that they just see me as a person who is fallible, who can make mistakes, who is trying their best, who's willing to say when they're wrong.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Those are the things that I want my kids to learn. So that's what I want to exemplify for sure. All of these ways to go about in the world, and just nobody's perfect. So, like, if you screw up, be like, oh, my bad. Sorry about that. Let me do better. Let me not do that again.
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A
Right.
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B
Don't just say, I'm sorry, and then fuck off and do it. Again, Right. Make your amends. How do we do this? You know, And a lot of that Too came from 12 step programs and 12 step principles that I've learned over the years of like just being honest, taking accountability for yourself. Like, those are things that I have tried to teach my daughters. That's more important to me. I don't, I don't give a shit about grades. I don't, I don't care if you're going to go to a four year university. I don't like, none of that matters. I just want to raise good humans.
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A
Yeah. And I want them to be to
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B
themselves and good to others. That's all I care about.
- [67:01]
A
About when people ask me, like, what my kids want to do. I just want them to be happy.
- [67:04]
B
Yeah. I'm like, I don't know, they could go to college. I'm like, maybe they're going to go backpack the world. I don't know. Let them have fun. You know what I mean? Like, go live your life. I. None of your life is attached to anything that I need from you.
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A
For sure.
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B
And I think sometimes parents forget that
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A
you were a dancer.
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B
I was.
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A
And then you went on Dancing with the Stars. What was that like?
- [67:23]
B
Oh, my God. It was funny enough up until I did a couple. A show in, in Panama where I lived in the jungle for two weeks. It was the hardest thing I'd ever done physically. And then I really wouldn't live down the jungle. But it was, I mean, and because I wanted to work really hard, like I would dance six days a week and there were no days off. And we worked, you know, Easter Sunday, we worked. It was. When you're in it, you're in it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And you go from, you know, maybe working out to being like, you're gonna do like five hours of intense cardio for every day. For, you know, six days.
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A
Every day.
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B
Yeah. I always wanted like hours a week. It was so much fun though. And I loved it. Like, I used to go watch ballroom competitions when I was in my teens. Like, I always wanted to do it. Any, any reality show that I've ever done. I've only done like a couple of them. Has always been because it's something that I wanted to learn how to do anyway.
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A
Right.
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B
And so I'm just getting the opportunity to do it and I'm like, okay, well, sure, I would do this anyway.
- [68:21]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the jungle one?
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B
It was called beyond the Edge and it was a show where it was sort of like a Survivor naked and Afra esque thing. We lived out in the jungle on our own for two weeks and every day we competed in like crazy like iron man competitions.
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A
Would you do that again?
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B
Probably, yeah.
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A
Would you do special forces?
- [68:45]
B
Have you seen that has to do that. And I think it was probably like too close to Panama and I was like, I've done that.
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A
You're like, come back.
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B
But honestly, I'm like, nah, I'm good. I've done it. I did and I liked it. The jungle. Jungle is beautiful. I had some amazing moments in the jungle where I. We didn't have our phones and I had a different relationship with my phone and with electronic devices after I came back from the jungle.
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A
I'm just like, it changed for you. In what ways were you, are you just like putting your phone.
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B
I was finally so free of it and so able to be present and in nature and just like in my own self, pushing myself to do things that were hard or challenging, that didn't depend on anybody else in the outside world. I didn't need to comment on anything. I didn't need to read. I, I just came back and I was like, oh, plus I got kicked off Facebook while I was back or while I was gone. My personal page. I'm very political and. And so I was like, you know what? Okay, cool. Yeah, that was several years ago and I just, I'm not as in it anymore.
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A
Just that two weeks completely changed.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What day do you think in that two weeks was like the turning point for you?
- [69:48]
B
I remember it clearly. I was standing. It was a day that we, it was, was. So we'd work for, we'd go for like four or five days and then we would have like half a day off that or a day off that was. We'd be doing interviews and stuff in the jungle like you do for the reality shows. And it was on that day and we were so sore. I mean I almost drowned at one point doing this long ass swim and all this stuff. And I just remember I was standing there and like our little village area was kind of empty and I just looked, looked up and all I could hear was like the ocean kind of on the other side of the little sand dune. And the trees were just this beautiful canopy and there were birds and there were monkeys and I didn't hear any people and I was like totally not stressed. And it was 2021 and we'd all spent a lot of time on the Internet the year before and I went,
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A
oh, this is what it was supposed to be.
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B
This is different. And I was like, I need more of this and dip my toe into the other rather than the reverse of living in that all the time and dipping my toe into like nature and taking a break from it. And yeah, I just, I. And I guess also it's my age. I remember life before all this crap. Like, I remember when you just used to go out and do stuff and have fun and I hate taking pictures of stuff. So like, I just go live life. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Everyone that's like younger than me is like, oh, but you got to take a picture of it. And I'm like, I, I don't. That's not me. Like, I live in the age of like, you know, the wind up cameras. And half of them would have your thumb over the lens and you were like, oh, well.
- [71:25]
A
So you feel like you still hold on to like not going on social media as much or like.
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B
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like there's definitely. I am, I am a sort of what I call like a drop in post now where like I'll post some stuff. I don't care about the comments. Comments. I don't need you to agree with me. I don't need you to like me. I'm very political in what I talk about. So I will post stuff about that and then just be like, okay, I'm out. Bye. You know, because I'm like the, the. I've spent time arguing with people on the Internet.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it's just diminishing return. Right. It's diminishing returns now. And I literally notice, I open it up and I'm like, oh my God, I feel so anxious. And I'm like, I'm much better. Feeling like I'm taking action. So I'll dip in there and be like, where's the protest? Where's something I can take action on? Where's something I can learn? Learn? And then I'll be like, okay, bye. I'm not reading the comments. I'm not gonna argue, I'm not gonna change anybody's mind. But I'm gonna be who I'm gonna be.
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A
And you haven't always been like that.
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B
No, I think, I think it took a while to like kind of be like, oh, I actually don't like social media all that much, you know. Yeah, it was really fun. When we first started. We had a great time, everybody collectively. And I think now we just have gotten really away from the connected part of it. And it's just, I mean, it's, you know, it's become sort of AI Corporate bot slop, and we've just become cruel to each other.
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A
Yeah. No, I could agree with that.
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Yeah. I'm like, I could be mean to somebody in person. I don't need to do it on the Internet. You know, why waste my time? You might not even be a real human.
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A
Yeah. What was your favorite role that you've ever played?
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B
I mean, I guess it would have to be Stephanie.
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A
Really? Yeah.
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I love Stephanie. And again, she's like, like, sort of the closest to me. So it's always been like, yeah, that's. That's an easy role to slip into.
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Yeah.
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B
And, you know, she's. She's loved.
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A
Yeah, she is.
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I. I love Steph now. I think as a teenager, I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, I know. I was on the show. Now I'm like, I love her. I love that show. I love what it was about. I love how connected people are to it. I mean, I was. We were in Harlem last night for Juneteenth, and. And I passed by this young kid on a skateboard, like, you know, nose piercing, all this stuff. And he was like, are you that lady from Full House? And I was like, can I give you a hug? And he was like, 17, 18. And I was like, absolutely. And what other characters give you that response? Yeah, other than something that people have grown up with and lived with their whole lives. So I consider Steph to be, like, a special little conduit of, you know, love and change out there in the world.
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A
Is there a dream collab or a dream role that you want to play?
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B
I don't know if there's a dream role. I like doing more serious, dark stuff, but I would love to do, like, a show like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia or Arrested Development and sort of irreverent, witty, layered, single cam comedy. Yeah, I love it. I. I watched that. Those are the kind of comedies I watch. I don't watch sitcoms, but I will watch.
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A
I mean, do you watch the Office or did you.
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B
Yeah, I did. Yeah, I watched, like, the Office. I didn't watch it, like, all of the time, but yeah, again, that kind of stuff. I just. That would be really fun to do. But I also. I really want opportunities to direct more.
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A
Would you ever do like, a book to movie or book to show adaptation?
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B
Absolutely. Yeah.
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A
What are you most looking forward to? To book to movie adaptation? Did you read Verity?
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B
I didn't.
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A
Don't.
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B
Okay.
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A
I mean, do. But if you have a weak stomach, don't.
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B
I don't. I'm I'm a very dark. I'm like this. There's nothing that can shock me or if you feel weird at this point,
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like the dark stuff.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Still Beating is supposed to be a movie. And that's by Jennifer Hartman.
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B
Okay.
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A
I'm trying to think what else.
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I'm usually one of those people. I'm like, once I've read the book, I'm like, I don't care about the movie because I'm like, it's not gonna be. Be as good.
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A
But you might. You could be in it. You could be casted.
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B
That I would do. Yeah. Oh, there. Well.
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Remarkably, remarkably bright creatures. Have you seen Love? That is going to be a movie that's going to.
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B
You know who's in it?
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A
No.
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Sally Field. See, she's playing. Why can't I think of the character's name? She's playing the main character.
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The octopus.
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She's not playing the octopus. She's playing the. They're cgi. Sally Field's face onto an octopus. It's the flying octopus. No, no, she's going to. Tova.
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A
Tova. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't know.
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I read that book. I was in Yosemite and I read it after a horrible bout of norovirus, which was a real bummer. But I was reading that book and just crying at the end of it. I loved it.
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I loved it. Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo. Did you read that one?
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B
No, but I've heard about that one. You have to read it. It's on my. I think it's on my, like, wish list of my books to buy that one.
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A
I feel like I related in a different way because I have for.
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B
Right.
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A
My kids have four dads.
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B
It's always complicated.
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A
I feel like what you've talked about today, you could maybe relate to parts of it, especially because the public eye aspect of it too, is in there and I think it would be really cool.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay.
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B
I'm gonna move that up to the top.
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A
It was really good. And I didn't listen to the audio, but I. I heard really good things about the audio. So if you're traveling.
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B
Okay.
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A
That would be.
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B
I can't do audiobooks, so I am not an auditory learner.
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A
Okay.
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B
I am a person that has to physically touch it. I don't read ebooks either.
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A
Okay.
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B
Because if I don't have that tactile page, it does not absorb. It's like it just doesn't happen. Same thing with scripts. I hate using e scripts all read through. Yeah. But you get most of the scripts now. You download them on an iPad or whatever. But I always like to have, I always print my script out.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because if I don't have it in my hand when I'm trying to memorize it, it doesn't, it's like it doesn't exist.
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A
We're missing that in for school these days. Like, my 7 year old came home with a chrome, like a computer, and I'm like, I can't. This is why he's not entertaining anything because he's like just clicking.
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B
I hate it. I hate it all. Yeah. I'm gonna live in a yurt in the woods in a couple years. But I, I, I, I am a book nerd, so I love it. I the series of books that I was telling you about, Carlos Riza Fon. I, I always, I was like, oh, my God, this would be you. It would have to be like a big budget giant HBO that Because there's so much that you'd have to be able to afford to create and do. But I also am like, oh, but it's so good. Don't touch it.
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A
Yeah, well, because they have to remove so much.
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B
Right. And I think if I remember right, I think I remember there were a lot of people that had come to him to like purchase rights and to his family. He passed during COVID to purchase the rights to that series of books. And he was like, now. And I get it.
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A
Good for him.
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B
Yeah. I was like, no, don't let him. This is special. And you could, couldn't.
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A
You couldn't replicate it if you tried? No, for sure. Where can people find you on socials?
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B
You can find me on Instagram at Jody Sweeten. You can also find the podcast I do, which is the Full House rewatch podcast with Andrea Barber, which is called How Rude Tanneritos. And you can find us online at how readpodcast on Instagram. And I'm trying to think what else? I think that's about it. I think I'm on TikTok. I don't ever go on TikTok. I think my social manager posts on TikTok. Maybe, maybe. I don't know. I've literally never opened Tick Tock in my life and I plan to keep it that way.
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A
I was gonna say keep it that way for sure.
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B
I mean, at this point, we might lose it anyway. So I'm like, why get attached to something that's going away? You know?
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A
This is true. And you can watch the movie Dating to Dangerous on Lifetime on June 21st at 8pm Eastern. Sam. Okay, guys, we're back. You asked for it and we're delivering. Killer is going on tour. We're super excited for the fatherless behavior tour. 23 cities, three countries, all in one summer. And you guys can check out tour dates and see if we're coming to a city near you on killlowry.com and if you want early access to information and announcements, head over to Patreon because you might get it before everyone else. Foreign hi there, it's Becca Tobin.
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