ENCORE: Trisha Paytas on Fame, Motherhood and Viral Moments

Summary

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Barely Famous – ENCORE: Trisha Paytas on Fame, Motherhood, and Viral Moments

Host: Kail Lowry
Guest: Trisha Paytas
Date: November 28, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this special encore episode of Barely Famous, host Kail Lowry sits down with internet icon and self-described “troll,” Trisha Paytas. Held in the Chamberlain Hotel, West Hollywood, the conversation dives deep into Trisha’s life, touching on motherhood, fame, viral internet moments, plastic surgery, pop culture obsessions, and mental health. Both women share candid, raw, and sometimes hilarious stories about their personal journeys—no topic is off-limits, and the energy is open, relatable, and refreshingly vulnerable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Names, Trolls, and Coincidences

Early in the episode, the women riff on names and internet rumors about Trisha’s real name.

• Trisha explains her tendency to play with her identity online:

  "Wait, I just like to troll sometimes for fun." (Trisha, 01:30)

• Kail and Trisha bond over giving their kids distinctive or personal names, debating the legality and copyright implications of names like "Malibu Barbie" and "Elvis Presley."
  • "I was worried with Malibu Barbie too. I was like, will Mattel sue me?" (Trisha, 02:48)

2. Friendship Drama & Accountability in the Influencer World

Kail asks about Trisha’s notorious fallout with Bunny and Jeffree Star—a topic steeped in online gossip and cancellation culture.

• Trisha admits fault, explaining how running late in Vegas led to ghosting Bunny and a tangle of misunderstandings. She’s since made amends:

  "I definitely screwed Bunny over. Not on purpose... I was so embarrassed, and it was awful." (Trisha, 04:09)

• On closure:
  "And we talked on the phone, like, two days ago and he was, like, super apologetic for things that happened five years ago." (Trisha, 05:23)

3. Struggles with Weight, Ozempic, and Plastic Surgery

Both discuss body image, weight loss trends, and their experiences with cosmetic procedures.

• Kail shares her perspective as a mom often pregnant and considers Ozempic to prep for surgery. They detail consultations and BMI requirements for surgery.
  "When I did the consultations, they were saying that the BMI has to be a lot lower." (Kail, 06:48)
• Trisha candidly lists her surgical history (lipo, BBL, boob jobs) and the psychological aspects:
  "Anesthesia is fine. I was a little addicted plus surgery. Because I love the feeling of, like, being put under." (Trisha, 08:55)

4. Motherhood, Trauma & Mental Health

A raw exploration of connecting (or struggling to) with their children, postpartum depression, and generational trauma.

• "I wasn’t connecting… I wasn’t like, I don’t know what I did, you know what I mean?" (Trisha, 69:54)
• Trisha is open about being diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, outlining the difference between BPD, DID, and Bipolar Disorder, and how group therapy (DBT) helped her.

  "I just couldn’t control myself. So, I, like, lash out… it was like a blackout." (Trisha, 62:00)

• The two reflect on how being a parent and evolving changes their approach to online controversy, past mistakes, and public apology.

  "You can’t live in the past, but if people get mad about it, I think it’s just one of those things that you’re stained with forever." (Trisha, 55:23)

5. Viral Moments & Pop Culture

• Trisha laughs over her own viral "chicken sandwich" and "mayonnaise" moments, even as she wonders how random content takes off:

  "I don’t know if I have any iconic lines or anything. I don't even know what is viral." (Trisha, 34:28)

• They geek out over Teen Mom history, MTV shows, and Trisha’s route into reality TV—citing a Craigslist ad for My Strange Addiction and her love of spin-off fame.
• Kail confesses an obsession with true crime, especially the Menendez brothers (30:44), and Trisha shares her fandom for Jonathan Bailey (Bridgerton/Wicked).
• Both admit to spending sprees, love for Target, and the perks and pitfalls of adulthood money management.

6. Mental Health, Relationships, and Recovery

Trisha talks about her tumultuous relationship history, therapy, breakdowns, and mental wellness.

• She credits her husband, Moses, for supporting her through BPD challenges and therapy, acknowledging, "it is like abusive" and how she worked hard to change for motherhood. (65:55)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Anesthesia & Surgery:

  • “Anesthesia is fine. I was a little addicted plus surgery. Because I love the feeling of, like, being put under.”
    – Trisha, 08:55

• On Being a Mom and Feeling Disconnected:

  • “I wasn’t connecting… I wasn’t like, I don’t know what I did, you know what I mean?”
    – Trisha, 69:54

• On Online Drama and Apologies:

  • “If people get mad about it, I think it’s just one of those things that you’re stained with forever.”
    – Trisha, 55:23

• On Mental Health:

  • “I could never control my emotions... I would just go nuts. And it kind of elevated. I was very—I don’t know what the word is—I would just black out and just go absolutely insane, and I just don’t remember so much of it.”
    – Trisha, 62:00

• On Spending and Financial Literacy:

  • “I thought if you wanted a four million dollar house, you'd have four million dollars in your bank account... so I just spent hundreds of thousands a month on rent.”
    – Trisha, 22:07

• On Going Viral:

  • “I don’t even know what that is or where it came from or I didn’t surprise. It's on TikTok. I don’t even know.”
    – Trisha, 36:30

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Discussion of name rumors and trolling: 01:18–01:56
• Plastic surgery, Ozempic, and BMI real talk: 06:03–09:36
• Friendship drama with Bunny/Jeffree: 03:26–05:55
• Online drama & mental health struggles: 57:28–64:49
• Discussion of motherhood, postpartum, not connecting: 69:38–71:16
• Viral content, "mayonnaise" moment & chicken fingers: 34:44–36:41
• Mental health (BPD, therapy, medication): 57:28–67:13
• Pop culture obsessions (Bridgerton, Menendez brothers): 31:14–33:41

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The Hosts’ Dynamic & Tone

The episode is marked by humor, self-deprecation, and the kind of real, unvarnished honesty both women are known for. While appropriately messy at times, the discussion never shies from uncomfortable or dark material—and always circles back to empowerment, growth, and the ability to laugh at (and learn from) life’s messes.

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Closing Thoughts

If you’re looking for a glimpse into the complicated reality of internet fame, motherhood, and self-reinvention—all wrapped in candid humor and wild tales—this episode delivers. Trisha’s journey, from viral scandals and mental illness to family and self-acceptance, is raw and relatable, while Kail’s own reflections offer grounding and balance. Both women’s willingness to “go there” creates a conversation that is as engaging as it is enlightening.

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Where to Find More

• Trisha Paytas: Search “Just Trish” wherever you listen to podcasts or visit patreon.com
• Kail Lowry: Listen to Barely Famous and follow her on Patreon

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“I love that for you—you know, stories you’re going to be able to tell your kids so many.”
— Kail Lowry, 46:09

“You have to make jokes of it because it is such a scary thing. And especially since you’re gonna like, do it. But if it makes you happy…”
— Trisha Paytas, 09:36

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Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Kale Lowry]

Welcome to the show.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale, and you're.

[Kale Lowry]

Listening to Barely Famous. Okay, so we're filming Barely Famous Podcast at the Chamberlain Hotel in West Hollywood. And today I have Trisha Paytas on Barely Famous Podcast. All right, Trisha.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Welcome to the Barely Famous podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so excited to be here.

[Kale Lowry]

No, and I.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

You.

[Kale Lowry]

You match my colors. I'm obsessed.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't even know. And it, like, matches the water bottle and the. Everything.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, the whole aesthetic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you pick the colors?

[Kale Lowry]

Absolutely not. Wait, someone did for you?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah. Like the room. No, it's just a coincidence.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, that's kind of everything, though.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, so my name is Kale Lowry. What is your name?

[Trisha Paytas]

My name is Trisha Paytas.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Is it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think. Why? Do you know something?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Why?

[Kale Lowry]

Did I hear a rumor that that's not your real name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Did I say that?

[Kale Lowry]

I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it's probably a lie if I said it. Wait, I just like to troll sometimes for fun.

[Kale Lowry]

You're kidding. Yeah, this, like, whole bit that was like, what's your real name? Because you had said that only Moses knows your real name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. That's so niche. And I love it because it was like, I mentioned it once on, like, a podcast, and I was like, yeah, it's not my real name. It was. I just like to troll a little bit. It's my real name, I think.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, so it's like, just Trisha. Like, not Patricia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Trisha. K. Paytas. Yeah. K. I love that. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Kay is cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's kind of cute. I feel like it's kind of basic. I don't. I don't like middle names. Did you give your kids middle names?

[Kale Lowry]

I did, but my kids also go by their middle names.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Like Isaac, he is known at school as Elliot.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Whoa.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that his first name?

[Kale Lowry]

Isaac's his first name. Elliot is his middle name, but he prefers Elliot. Whoa, Wait, why?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. And Lincoln, too. Like, we just call him Marshy.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Marsh.

[Kale Lowry]

Marshmallow what's his first name? Lincoln. Lincoln.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, his middle name is Marshall.

[Kale Lowry]

Marshall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Marshall Mathers.

[Kale Lowry]

That's why I named him that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

You should have named him Marshall because that's kind of iconic. Like Marshall Mathers.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Lowry.

[Kale Lowry]

Imagine Eminem's like, this is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I almost did that with Elvis. I was gonna name her Elvis Presley paid as Hackman, but I was like, might get sued or something.

[Kale Lowry]

So can you get sued for that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I have no idea. I was worried with Malibu Barbie too. I was like, well, Mattel, sue me. I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

Do they respond to that?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but they probably like, we don't love it. But they didn't say anything, which is good.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, it's iconic. You should be doing collabs with Barbie.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love it. I don't know if I'm brand friendly anymore. As we discussed before. I don't think I'm gonna get Mattel, but.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, well, we could try. Yeah. We both have daughters. I have daughter now, so I can, you know.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Wait.

[Kale Lowry]

I have to tell you this. Don't get mad at me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh, I'm scared. I'm always so scared.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so weird to do someone's podcast. Like you mentioned before we started. I'm just like, oh, my God. I'm like, I'm so worried how it's, like, perceived, because when I'm doing a podcast, like, it went well, and then it's like afterwards, everyone's like, was so awkward. That was so weird.

[Kale Lowry]

So I was so nervous about maybe not this not happening, because I had seen Bunny and Jeffree star on her podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yes.

[Kale Lowry]

So I was like, oh, my God, is she gonna cancel?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't show up.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

But what. What was going on with that? Are you guys good now?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, we're actually all good. I literally talked to Jeffrey like, two days ago for the first time in like, five years on the phone. So, yeah, we're all good. And even Bunny and I, we talked like a couple days after it happened. It really was like, I definitely screwed Bunny over. Not on purpose, obviously. We went to Vegas in 2023, and I had gone to go interview Tony Osmond, who's like, my hero. He's my everything. And that night we got invited to the show. And so the. The idea was I was glam. And whenever I full glam, I'm like, I'm gonna do everything that day to go right, like, squeeze.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I'm not saying this tomorrow. I'm not doing it next week. Today.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hair, makeup's done today. So that was the. The goal. So we went to Vegas, but we just had traffic on the way. And so by the time we were, like, a check in everything, I, like, wasn't going to make it. And I told her. I was like, I think I'm not going to make it. I'm, like, running late. And it was my bad because I got caught up. We ended up seeing the Donny Osmond show that night. Like, I did get caught up, and then I just didn't respond. So I, like, it ended up being, like, shitty of me for sure. And I felt so bad, and I was so embarrassed, and it was awful. It was, like, the worst situation ever. And she never said anything about it publicly. And, yeah, when Jeffree was on. Yeah. Just. It was just a shit show. Yeah.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Which.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I don't blame her because I've been canceled on, like, day of, and it, like, so sucks. And, like, granted, I guess I've never been the ghost on, like, what I did was probably worse. I was like, I don't think I'm gonna make it. And then just, like, never responded. And I apologize to her since obviously that was so awful, but it rarely happens. It just, like, I got really just, like, flustered and caught up, and it was. It was just a.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

You were supposed to go on her.

[Kale Lowry]

Podcast or she was coming on yours.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was supposed to go on hers in Vegas. Oh, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you done her. You've done hers, right?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, Yeah, I did it. I think it was last year or the year before last year. I love Bunny.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I love her.

[Kale Lowry]

I've never met Jeffrey, so I couldn't say anything about that, but he's actually very sweet, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

And we talked on the phone, like, two days ago, and he was, like, super apologetic for things that, like, happened five years ago. Like, it was. He was really. He's like, one person, I think, is actually, like, a genuine person, too. And. And Bunny as well. She was, like, super sweet. She's like, I didn't mean it to come across that way. And she, like, also was, like, apologetic, even though I was the one screwed over. She's like, you know, it was. It was. It was such a blip. But both of them, I think, are very, very sweet. And I love Bunny. That's why I was, like, really sad. I was really sad because we've been, like, talking for so long in her podcast. Like, I was always inspired by hers because I loved her setup, I loved her vibe. And, yeah, I still really love her, so hopefully it'll still happen. And she's super sweet. She, like, texted me when I thought about going on Ozempic, and she's like, don't do it. I was on it. It was really like. She's very, like, sweet, and. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, so did you go on Ozempic or. No, I'm gonna go on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think you are. But you. You lost so much weight.

[Kale Lowry]

It's because I was pregnant for two.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Years in a row.

[Kale Lowry]

I think that's why it looks like that. But I don't actually think that I lost that much. Like, I'm basically the same as, like, my fourth son. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

I see. So you're just been pregnant for so long, someone just thinks, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I'm just, like, my normal weight. But I would like to go on Ozempic because I want to get a boob job, so I think I have to lose a couple of pounds.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did hear you talking about this because I want a boob job, too, and I think. I think, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

You had one.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've had two.

[Kale Lowry]

You have? You have?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But I was young. I was, like, 24, so I'm like, way due to get another one, and they're very, like, saggy. I got the lift. I got everything. But I think I heard you say on a podcast that you had to, like, lose weight to get surgery.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, I probably have to do. Because I'm like, 230 right now, so we have to put under 200, I bet, to get it.

[Kale Lowry]

So when I did the consultations, they were saying that the BMI has to.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Be a lot lower.

[Kale Lowry]

And so, like, I've talked about this on the podcast, my podcast before, I was just, like, one surgeon that I.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Talked to will do it where my.

[Kale Lowry]

BMI is, but most don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so you're like, let me be safe.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

So probably.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. I don't feel like going horizontal today.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't that. I love that term. It is scary. I feel like that is always scary. Right? Like, the surgery, but also, like, the complications after. I mean, I've done a lot of surgeries, but, like, it is always a little.

[Kale Lowry]

I wasn't planning on talking about surgeries, but what have you gotten done? Because I talk about mine all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

What have you gotten done?

[Kale Lowry]

I did a mommy makeover. Dr. Miami did my mommy makeover, but not boobs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you do a Collab?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Dr. Miami. Yeah, I want that, so.

[Kale Lowry]

Which is so crazy, because I had Seen all kinds of, like, you know, when you read reviews on things, people don't have great results. I had a phenomenal experience with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I feel like everyone does, right? Or no, he has bad reviews.

[Kale Lowry]

I feel like I think anyone to his status, you have to take the good with the bad.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Right.

[Kale Lowry]

Has to be bad with. They're not all going to be perfect. But I had a great experience with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you got What?

[Kale Lowry]

I got Lipo360 Brazilian Butt Lift with Lego360 is everything. Yeah. But I do have to get this done again because I would like to tuck it up a little bit, but I feel you don't have a double chin, which is. I like you.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't know, but I feel like that was you. I think we just see it in ourselves. Because I don't see yours. Yours is not like this. You know what I mean? Like, not that it matters, but yeah, yours.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I wiped makeup out of my creases before I came down here the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do that. Like, I don't underneath. Sometimes I have to be like, oh, you missed it underneath here.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I had it in my fat rolls. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I've had that too. So I never got lipo there. I did the lipo on my back, my stomach, my upper arms, which have come back same. The upper arms are the worst. And they won't do it on your forearms because of veins. I wanted to get my forearms done, but. And then I did the Brazilian butt lift, too.

[Kale Lowry]

I do.

[Trisha Paytas]

I had a really flat. But it was wide, but, like, flat.

[Kale Lowry]

Right? Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they put, like, look, some hips. I really, really loved my lipo and bbl. Then I got my boobs done twice. I had uneven boobs, so I got the implants the first time. And then the second time, I did, like, a lift with an implant.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

So I think I'm gonna do, like, back lipo and then boobs. That's the plan.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

And maybe this is a good one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, at the same time.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Just because I just pay for anesthesia one time and be done with it. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Anesthesia is fine. I was a little addicted plus surgery. Because I love the feeling of, like, being put under.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm terrified. I think it's because the number of kids that I have, I'm so scared of, like, not waking up.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's what stopped me, too, for so long is like, I just don't, like. I like my life right now, you know, before I Was like, I don't care if I don't wake up, whatever. And now I'm like, I should probably need to.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. I mean, our kids probably need us.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I think most of the time it goes well, like, you know.

[Kale Lowry]

And that's when I asked one of the doctors. I was like, if I don't wake, he's like, very slim chance, like, you're gonna be fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's actually the complications after, like, the infections and stuff that a lot of people go horizontal.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

As you would say, take a dirt nap.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're wild. You talk about it so casually.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, I haven't been affected by it. I shouldn't talk about it so casually. But here we are.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I. You have to, like, make jokes of it because it is such a scary thing. And especially since you're gonna, like, do it. But if it makes you happy. I don't know. I do go back and forth with it, but boobs. I think you need to get done, like, every. It's been over 10 years, so I think it's like, for safety reasons, you have to get them redone. They could leak or something.

[Kale Lowry]

You wouldn't take them out. Like, everyone's doing, like, breast implant illness and they, like, take their implants out.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what? I really did think I suffered from that. Like, maybe. Maybe I should. Maybe I should. Honestly, if I do. I love big boobs, but maybe I should. Maybe they will just be deflated if I have nothing in there. Maybe they do. Like a butt. Like a. That track.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, they can. They definitely can.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe that.

[Kale Lowry]

So yesterday I listened to your Call Her Daddy episode with Alex, and I need to ask you if you've been kidnapped between January and now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Between January, now? No, I stay in my house most of the time now. Yeah, that was. Yeah. Kidnapping. Well, I guess as an adult, it's abducting, right?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I think it's still kidnapping.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

I. I'm pretty sure because, like, you're not a kid, but you're still not.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wonder if they put out like an Amber Alert if you're over, like, 18. No one looked for me, that's for sure. I definitely was missing for like a couple of days. But why?

[Kale Lowry]

A couple of days is crazy. Is it?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but I feel like if you're like, oh, your 18 year old goes out in the world, they're living in Hollywood. You don't hear from them for a few days, are you going to be, like, concerned? I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, maybe the police wouldn't be but like, if I was your friend, I'm going to be concerned.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I know friends, okay? And maybe like my mom. But like, I think it was like normal for her to not hear from me me for like a week because I just was like horrible at calling.

[Kale Lowry]

So what happened?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Where were you?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, did you figure out where you were and who you were with?

[Trisha Paytas]

Strip club. Never. Because it's. It's always like people from the strip club, right? So, like, there was a shady one on Sepulveda that I worked at and like, that's the one where I'd be like, I guess kidnapped from. But in all fairness, it wasn't even the club's fault. It was like the. So Sepulveda Boulevard has like a lot of seedy hotels and they're like cheap and just like you can rent them by the hour hotels. So I would like walk along there and so I think that's where the abductions like took place, obviously, because I was like getting in people's car and like, you know, getting drugged, I guess. I don't know. I'm not sure. I just would like, wake up in like other places. I remember being in a back of a pickup truck one time. Like, how did I get here?

[Kale Lowry]

The bed, like to the elements. Exposed?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, yes, yes. Actually, not even fully exposed because they had a little bit like a. Like almost like a tarp. Not tarp, but it's like something that covered it halfway. So I remember like thinking like, you wake up and you're just like, oh my God, am I in like a coffin or something? Like, it was like a super scary. But I was still so out of it. So when I'm like drugged up, whether it's being adopted or like a C section, I'm like, woo. You know what I mean? I'm just kind of like, it doesn't. It affects me in such a weird way, like in a happy way almost. So I know, like. Well, it's like you have to laugh because it is actually so crazy, right?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

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[Kale Lowry]

Your life is the craziest thing I've ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I feel like we were talking. I feel like not to trauma compare, but you definitely take the cake in a good way.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, good thing for.

[Trisha Paytas]

And earn a. I don't know if.

[Kale Lowry]

It'S good or bad, but it's. It's a good thing for us because I actually got the candy for the trauma salad so we could like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so scared, but I love it.

[Kale Lowry]

I like wrote down all the things I could say. So just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, just take your time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna need to. I never did it for that reason. I was like, oh, my go. God. Like, what do I say? How dark do you go? You know?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I go all the way.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I know.

[Kale Lowry]

Going straight to hell. It doesn't matter. Okay. I saw one of your most recent tiktoks about Caitlyn and Tyler and the whole situation. So do you have a favorite cast member from the franchise.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I really did watch it. I did watch so many seasons of it. I'm trying to think, like, favorite or.

[Kale Lowry]

Favorite, like, moment, favorite scene, anything like Janelle.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, Janelle iconic. Honestly, truly. I think it's so funny. Like, now, like, the messy becomes, like, iconic, right? Like, I don't know, for better or worse. And I hope she's doing well. I don't really know, like, her situation now with David. She's iconic. Barb's obviously iconic. We love. I feel like I really loved, like, the moms of the teen moms, you know what I mean? Like, Barb was great. I probably related most to Amber. Really? Maybe that surprises me.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Why?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think because she was just so mentally unstable and I was like, oh, my God, that'd be me if I was, like, a mom. You know what I mean? And, like. And I say that, like, with, like. Because I was also mentally unstable and still could be. You know what I mean? And I think she's doing better. But it was. I just related so much because I think she gets so much, like, shit, right? For, you know, especially now with, like. Is it Leah? Her daughter? Yeah, Leah. You know, like, the stuff they show. I just don't think it should be shown on TV where it's like, the stuff with Gary and then her not wanting to be adopted, it just seems too messy when the kids get older. So I just had a lot of empathy for her and because I felt I, like, related the most to it, you know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, exposing Amber traumatizes Leah essentially.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of the whole thing is just something I feel like we shouldn't be watching sometimes. You know what I mean? It's kind of like the Caitlin and Tyler thing that I was talking about, where it's like, I like them a lot, but I'm like, oh, should we be, like, hearing all this where they're like, the. Her parents and Carly were looking for you, and I was like, oh, this feels, like, messy. I don't know. Yeah. But loved you, of course. Yeah, of course. I was telling you, like, I followed all of it from the beginning and I thought, yeah, and I remember. I remember your story was. I felt for you too, like, just anyone who, like, because you lived with Joe at such a young age and, you know, you were just very real about all of it. This was before I was, like, even on YouTube. I think I was, like, 18 or something like that, and I. Or maybe even older. And I just remember being like, wow, they're really sharing everything. But it's like, inspiring. You know, you help so many.

[Kale Lowry]

Did you do the My Strange Addiction show before or after that, do you think?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's probably after.

[Kale Lowry]

And then when was The Ellen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ellen's 2011 and my transition? 2009.

[Kale Lowry]

So is that like, My strange addiction was before my show and then Teen mom and then Ellen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, six. When did you do 16 and Pregnant?

[Kale Lowry]

I filmed in 2009 and I. It aired in 2010.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, interesting. So, yeah, I guess around the same time, the first 16 and pregnant or the 16 pregnant had already aired. And I remember wanting to be on the reality show, so I thought that was, like, so cool. And I remember thinking, like, wow, they're like, so famous, all these girls.

[Kale Lowry]

How the do you get picked for My Strange Addiction? And Ellen?

[Trisha Paytas]

Within two years, my addiction was literally on Craigslist. Like, we need someone addicted to something. And I was like, let me think of something. You know, you're like, let me think.

[Kale Lowry]

Of it on the spot. Did you go get, like, 12 spray tans?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I was actually very tan. Did you ever have a tanning phase where you were just, like, dark?

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I was just like, really? I grew up in the Midwest and it was like, tanning beds.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. You could be in there for an hour and they wouldn't care. Now there's, like, time limits and stuff like that. So. Yeah, I just. I really love to be tan. And I thought, well, I'll write in. It was kind of like what you were saying. Like, I just wanted the money to, like, I wanted to be on TV, but I was also paying, like, $500, and I was like, oh, I need that. And so I was like, yeah. And I also thought I'd get a spin off. You know, it's the age of, like, spin off.

[Kale Lowry]

So you're like, you basically did. Your whole life has been a spin off on YouTube.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess I've always been kind of like, here. You know what I mean? I feel like with a show like yours, it's, like, so massive and so big and you got book deals and stuff from it. I feel like I've never quite gotten there, but I'm still, like, holding out. I feel like when I'm like, 40 or something, I'll hit my stride.

[Kale Lowry]

Before 40, you think? Oh, yeah. Oh, easily.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would you ever do, like, Real Housewives?

[Kale Lowry]

I'm not. I don't think I make enough money.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think we probably made more than some of the housewives. I think so, yeah. I think a lot of it's for show. Well, a Lot of them are married rich. Right? So. But I think. I think a lot of it's for show, to be honest. I mean. Yeah, I don't know. I don't watch that much, but, like, from what I heard, I don't think they make, like. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe I'm, like, making it up, but.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm gonna run some numbers after this.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think maybe in, like, 10 years, you could do it. I think it'd be, like, in your 40s to do it, maybe.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, so we'll do it together. We'll be on the, like, the Real Housewives of Maryland. The Real Housewives of Delaware.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Amish women doing the Real Housewives.

[Kale Lowry]

Actually, have you seen them on Tick Tock lately?

[Trisha Paytas]

The Amish one? They're fake Amish, though, right?

[Kale Lowry]

They're real Amish. I'm smuggling phones.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think we love an Amish conversation because we talked about this on my podcast, and I was like. But, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, how do they get the electricity? How do they get the phones?

[Kale Lowry]

That's a great question.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like they might be like, maybe they're Amish, but they're like. Like, not fully practicing. I do love them on the Tick Tock, though. I do love them.

[Kale Lowry]

We should get them on your podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're there, you're in the action. You could, like, go interview them right down the street.

[Kale Lowry]

Fun's podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I would love.

[Kale Lowry]

I would love. You still want to be a talk show host?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. You do. What would you call it? Would it be just Trish or would it be something else?

[Trisha Paytas]

I always wanted it to be, like, Trish.

[Kale Lowry]

Like Ellen, Oprah, Trish, Wendy Williams.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Wendy's my favorite. I love her so much.

[Kale Lowry]

That was the documentary on Netflix.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's, like, so sad. Like, it is so sad, right? Getting older, it's like a blessing and a curse because, like, Wendy was so iconic, and then you see her in that state and it's like. But I think everyone, like, nowadays, they don't, like, make fun of people like that. They're like, have empathy again, you know, because you're like, damn. She got taken advantage of. She's, like, deteriorating. It's really sad to see. But she did comment on something recently. I forgot what it was. Something in pop. Oh, P. Diddy. She commented. So she is, like, alive and well out there. She's still, like, commenting on, like, pop culture. I love her. That was always my dream.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I Think you should get one? I think by 40 you'll have that, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Okay. I like that. I feel like. Yeah. Maybe when I'm a little older and it's there. What was your dream? What is your dream?

[Kale Lowry]

I wanted to be a dentist.

[Trisha Paytas]

Interesting.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. I wanted to be a dentist.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you know anybody?

[Kale Lowry]

No. I wanted to go to temple, and then I got knocked up, so I was like, I couldn't go to college. Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

The Temple?

[Kale Lowry]

Like Temple University City?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

No, that's byu.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. I thought temple. Mormon wives, they go to temple. So I was like, oh, oh, I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, no, no. Temple University is a college.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've never been to college. I actually did go to community college, like for a class one time, Mountain.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. So have you thought about going to visit a college campus? Like, for content, like Patreon?

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you do that?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, you. I take you to my alma mater in Delaware.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah. You'd have a good time.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what do you do, Just walk the halls?

[Kale Lowry]

You could sit down on a class. I'm sure they would love to have you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? That would actually be kind of fun. I always wanted to do as, like, a TV show. Remember? Made on mtv?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wanted to be made into a college student.

[Kale Lowry]

I also wanted to go on fat camp.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, I don't remember the show.

[Kale Lowry]

It was on mtv, I think it was on mtv.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was a reality show about fat camp.

[Kale Lowry]

It was. Yeah. And it was like, the weight. Yeah. And I wanted to be on that so bad because I remember being like, I was like the chunky friend.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Were you?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were so skinny on the first season. What? You looked skinny. When I saw the one of, like, your mom, you're, like, taking the baby from her or something. She's like, you shouldn't be. Whatever. And then you're like, you're so skinny on there.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. I wasn't. I wasn't like. I wasn't the skinny friend for sure.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

That's for sure.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but it was such a different time, too, because when I looked back at my high school, I thought I was always chunky and I was like a 140. I was like, well, it was.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, so I was average. But, like, to my friend group, it was the chunky one.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That's so awful.

[Kale Lowry]

So that was awful. But I think other than that, I always wanted to go into law.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Yeah. You're, like, really smart. Like, intellectually book smart. You are. And all around Smart. But I'm like, I'm always impressed by that.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

I was like, oh, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's like, you know about, like you're talking about like taxes and business and.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, you're very, you know that stuff too.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no. I didn't even know how you bought a house until I was 32 and I met Moses. I thought if you wanted a four million dollar house, you'd have four million dollars in your bank account. So I just didn't buy houses for so long. I was just spending hundreds of thousand dollars a month. So I'm like, I'll never save up to 4 million, so I might as well just spend all this money in rent.

[Kale Lowry]

Shut up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, so I was like renting for $20,000 a month, you know, because I was like, I won't be able to afford 40, like a $4 million house, but I can rent one. Yeah. So I didn't know, like, nothing taxes. Like, I was. So I had no idea about any of it.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I'm shocked by this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tax brackets, more money.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Gorgeous. Thank you.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's because of Moses. When I met him and I was making all that only fans money, like, he's like, you should like, save for a house. And I was like, I can never save like $4 million. Like, you don't need $4 million. And I was like, really?

[Kale Lowry]

You're like, hold on. This changes everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it really did. Because he had owned property before and I didn't. Telling me like, oh, you should get this. And so, yeah, we just like got it together because I had no money saved. I never saved money up until 2020. I never saved money.

[Kale Lowry]

You just spend it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I spent everything. I would make like $300,000 a month and spend it all in one month.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, we have that in common.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you love to spend?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, well, I'm a spender. But also, when you give a teenager large sums of money.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, you were so young, so quick and got lots of money. If I got 5,000. Because you've got 5,000 for the first 16 and pregnant. If I got $5,000 at like 17.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I would have been like, I don't know, probably dead in a ditch somewhere.

[Kale Lowry]

You'd be like, I'm out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That's wild. So what did you do with it when you got a 5,000? Well, yeah. What was it?

[Kale Lowry]

I think it was a Sunfire. Pontiac Sunfire.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I was really little. It was like. It was like that green color.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? Oh, how cute. Yeah, you Got a house pretty early on too, right? In Teen mom. Didn't you have like a house pretty quick? You moved out of Joe's parents house in.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I got an apartment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

So I was renting an apartment for a long time and then when Javi and I got married and got stuck, he got stationed in Delaware. We bought our first house.

[Trisha Paytas]

And how old were you?

[Kale Lowry]

19.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Buying a house at 19 is wild.

[Kale Lowry]

But to be fair, it was the zero percent down because he was military.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you have to put a down payment.

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

So that's the only reason why we made that happen. It wasn't because, like I had money or anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's kind of everything. So anyone in the military doesn't to put a down payment down?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, it's called the VA loan.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's actually everything you can join.

[Kale Lowry]

You're young enough.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think so.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

You can join certain branches for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

At 36 years old.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I don't.

[Kale Lowry]

My ex husband is a recruiter. So if you want me to call.

[Trisha Paytas]

Him, like hobby, can I come?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. He would be like, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, yeah, I don't see why not. It helps him out.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think I'm cut out for military life.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Physically, I don't think I could like pass the physical.

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[Kale Lowry]

What about special forces? Have you seen that show?

[Trisha Paytas]

Dr. Drew was telling me about it. Why do I know this? He was telling me about it. He said he like went to the ICU or something from it. He got injured really bad. Did you watch any of it?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

I did.

[Kale Lowry]

I was obsessed with it and I asked him if he could get me on it, but he. He couldn't.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Really? Yeah. Wait, why not?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like he has.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't think they cared about me, so I was wanting to.

[Trisha Paytas]

I still want to go on there. And she's so like, well, that's what.

[Kale Lowry]

I thought was interesting. Like, yeah, no offense, but I was like, I have more followers than her, so can I get on it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess. If you have one more kid, then you're like up there.

[Kale Lowry]

They're like, you have seven kids. You don't count. Yeah, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and you would do it? I could never.

[Kale Lowry]

You should try. No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see the one where they have to like drive the car and they drive it into like water, into the ocean to get out of the car, they have to like, literally like drive the thing off to the cliff into water and then they have to get swim out of it.

[Kale Lowry]

I missed that one. But I saw the one where they fall backwards out of the helicopter into the ocean.

[Trisha Paytas]

You would do that?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not a physical.

[Kale Lowry]

I'd cry, but I would do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I couldn't. I'm scared of everything. I honestly, my heart would give out because I'd be so scared. It's like roller coasters. Like, I just don't go on them because, like, my fear alone would Kill me, probably. Yeah. So that's not for me. Maybe, like, Dancing with the Stars or something. Have they ever asked you?

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

I am shocked because you've been on mtv. I just feel like that's. That's so, like, mainstream.

[Kale Lowry]

I did do marriage boot camp. That was a really cool experience.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I went with Javi.

[Kale Lowry]

I did go with Javi. Those therapies that they use in the show, they. I could totally see them working in real life.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Like, they were real.

[Kale Lowry]

I think, obviously, the show was for the drama, but the therapy, like, techniques and, like, the activities that they do on marriage boot camp, like, those are real. Like, those would work in real life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why didn't it work with you?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, because I think you need to do them regularly, not just, like, over two weeks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you think it helped you?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I do.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you guys were married, and you were really trying to work on it when you went there.

[Kale Lowry]

So I. I had already filed for divorce, and so it was. I think we were in the process of getting divorced for about a year. So we went during the process where we were like, I had already filed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I see. And then you're like.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, and then he, like, re. Proposed to me at the end, and.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

I said no to air.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Why didn't you just say yes for the cameras, then end it later?

[Kale Lowry]

Because I think he would have believed me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, poor Javi. I know I don't know anything about him, but I always do feel like, oh, poor hobby. They really gave him a sympathy at it. You know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I. I would agree.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you seem, like, sweet, and I'm.

[Kale Lowry]

Happy for him now. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I wish him the best.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, that's good.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you have any pop culture phenomenons that you're obsessed with right now? Like, I can't stop. The Menendez brothers have been on my mind for years and years and years before all of this. Oh, yeah, I covered this on my podcast in, like, what, 20? 20. 21. 2021.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's not a true crime podcast. It's this podcast.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

You covered it?

[Kale Lowry]

I covered it on coffee combos, and I was obsessed with it.

[Trisha Paytas]

So many podcasts.

[Kale Lowry]

I was telling Lindsay about it. I was like, you have to watch all the stuff on the Menendez brothers. Like, I'm obsessed with it. And she's like, I'm not interested. I don't care. And so is there anything that you're obsessed with right now?

[Trisha Paytas]

I love Jonathan Bailey, so I love fellow travelers, Bridgerton, Heartstopper, Wicked. Like, do you know him? Do you know anything about him?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't watch Bridgerton? No, Bridgerton's my new episode. I became obsessed with Bridgerton postpartum, so I never saw one episode. And then the new season started right after I gave birth to Elvis. And they had, like. I call her plus size, but she's not. They had, like, a fat character, because they call her that in the book, but she was not fat. Nicola Coughlan. And she was, like, the romantic lead of Bridgerton Season 3. So I was like, oh, I want to watch this. Like, finally someone, you know, because I've always been thick my whole life, and I, like, fell in love with the show. And then I rewatched all the first. First and second season. And then Jonathan Bailey is one of the Bridgerton brothers, and he's in the new Wicked, and I'm obsessed with him.

[Kale Lowry]

Have you seen Wicked on Broadway?

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw Wicked on Broadway. I also saw Wicked already. I saw the movie already. Yeah, I went to an early screening two weeks ago, like, two months before the movie came out.

[Kale Lowry]

So. Good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Amazing.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Are you.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're not a theater. You're not a musical theater girl.

[Kale Lowry]

So I'm actually taking the kids to go see Harry Potter and the Something Child.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, on Broadway. Cursed child.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm taking them on to go see the Broadway show in a couple, two weeks.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

We.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you like it or did you get invited or.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I just like it. I bought the tickets. I mean, can I get them comped or.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you can get everything comped, I feel. Although, you know what? I'm the worst person to say that, because I literally buy everything. This is the first time I ever got anything comped. When they invited me to Wicked, I'm like, this is the first work I've gotten in 18 years. Like, wow, thank you. So I don't. People always say, yeah, you can get anything comp. But I usually end up buying all my stuff, too.

[Kale Lowry]

Base has a new luggage line that's based on Wicked.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ordered it.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Shut up.

[Trisha Paytas]

I got the pink and the green.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

You got both?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I'm obsessed with base luggage. I got the Barbie last year and I got the Wicked already. Yes, I did.

[Kale Lowry]

See, I got. I had the all black one, but I should have got the. Because green is such, like, a vibe and it's like the color that you're wearing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love green. Yeah, green is definitely the vibe. Like Beetlejuice. Like, everything is green. Brat Summer. Like, it's definitely. And it's also like a money Color. Like, if you're into like, what do you call crystals?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, crystals.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like, yeah, so if you're into crystals, like, you know, the jade, like, everything is like money and I. And I like it. I'm very, like, money based. I'm a Taurus. So, like, everything is.

[Kale Lowry]

When's your birthday?

[Trisha Paytas]

May 8th.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, you're a May Taurus.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. What are you Taurus?

[Kale Lowry]

No, no, I'm a Pisces in March.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, so. But I. I typically don't get along with Taurus, but I feel like you and I are very similar.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what's so crazy too. And you also are very different in real life because. Yeah. Now on your podcast and stuff, you come across very, like, happy, bubbly. But like, I remember watching the doctor Drew ones and I remember thinking like, oh, my God, she just hates everybody all the time.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

But I was hating everybody up all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Time.

[Kale Lowry]

I was very not in a great place.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you were always pissed. You're, like, not talking about it. You were like, be so pissed on stage. I was like, oh, my God, she hates everybody.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I'm nice now.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, and your vibe is so different. That's what I thought too. But when I was like researching you, I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, we're like, so similar in, like, so many ways.

[Kale Lowry]

Someone sent me a tick tock two days ago and was like, you're so Trisha Paytas coda coded. And I was like, what does that mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I never know either.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm like, is that a good or bad compliment? And then someone, when I was out to eat and I was talking fast and they were like, you remind me of Trisha Paytas. And I was like, really?

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of love that. I'm. I love it. I see it now, especially now with our same hair. I copied her hairstyle. And I do see it. I can see it. I love it. I mean, that's a compliment for me, but I don't know for you.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, no, it's a compliment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Because people know who you are and they love you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you're an icon too.

[Kale Lowry]

What do you think is the most iconic thing you've ever said?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if I have any, like, iconic lines or anything. I don't know. It's so bad. Like, when it's you, it's hard. Like, unless it goes viral on like, tick Tock, you know, it's like, it's hard to know. I don't even know what is viral. Like, A sound like there's like a chicken sandwich one that's like huh.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Huh? Okay. But it's like not a sound.

[Kale Lowry]

I like the mayonnaise one. Can I play it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I don't know what it is.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have that same Beetlejuice case. Is it Casetify?

[Kale Lowry]

This one is Velvet Caviar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Velvet Caviar. Oh yeah. They sent me one and I forgot their name. Did they send it to you or you buy it?

[Kale Lowry]

They sent it to me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Okay. Velvet Caviar. Give me a free case.

[Kale Lowry]

When I pulled up to your house earlier, you had like UPS stuff on your thing and I was like, hey, like I was talking to your ring camera. I didn't see it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Probably saw you.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, okay. I was like, hey, like do you want me to bring up these notices?

[Trisha Paytas]

Did anyone answer you?

[Kale Lowry]

No. I didn't know if you could talk back or not. So I was like, can you talk back? So if you see that later, I'm keeping.

[Trisha Paytas]

Put it on TikTok. I love that we can see it. I never check it. I never. I turn all my notifications off cuz it scares me.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, well that could just be the trailer for the episode. It's fine. Okay, hold on. Let me pull up this video really quick. Cuz I was like. When I saw I couldn't stop laughing at this mayonnaise one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what mayonnaise? I don't even like mayonnaise. I'm just trying to think that's why there's a mayonnaise one out there. I have no idea. Usually I know all my sounds. What is mayonnaise? I heard it was like rotten pickles.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Solidified.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me laughing at myself with the lettuce.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

And when I say rotten, I don't mean rotten bad. I mean like for melded. For melted like apple cider. I think it's like for melded apples. I. Wow. Sometimes I look at myself and I'm like, I don't even know. I think sometimes I'm so delirious, especially with a wig at like squeezes my head. That's so. I don't know. I honestly don't know what that is or where it came from or I didn't surprise. It's on Tik Tok. I don't even know.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Oh, I don't.

[Kale Lowry]

I. I didn't know who posted it, but it was sent to me and I was like, I'm obsessed with this. Like I'm gonna start wearing wings.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know what mayonnaise is? I have no idea.

[Kale Lowry]

I love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Seriously, like, what's it made out of?

[Kale Lowry]

I think it's egg yolk.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

So it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that doesn't seem sanitary or healthy. Like, it doesn't seem. What is the word?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sanitary, maybe.

[Kale Lowry]

I've never personally made mayo from my chicken eggs, but I'll try and I'll let you know if it's like, if I can do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Egg yolk. And then what else is in it has to be something else. Can't be just straight egg yolk.

[Kale Lowry]

We could go to the Hellman headquarters and.

[Trisha Paytas]

To learn how to make mayonnaise.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't like it.

[Kale Lowry]

You don't like it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Never had it. I don't like it.

[Kale Lowry]

I love mayonnaise. I like extra oil egg yolks and vinegar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Egg yolks. Interesting. I would think it'd be egg whites because it's white, but okay. Oh, all of it. I do like an egg yolk, I guess, but everything else sounds awful.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you like deviled eggs?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I love hard boiled eggs, but I don't like a deviled egg. My husband loves them and I don't. I don't like sauces or creams or anything like that. Like, I just eat everything plain and dry. I eat a hard boiled egg every night for dinner and I hate the deviled egg ones.

[Kale Lowry]

My friend also told me that you can't do your ancestry DNA because you said that you can't eat for the 30 minutes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of True. Well, I always forget. I always am, like, gonna do it and then.

[Kale Lowry]

So it's not because you're eating all.

[Trisha Paytas]

The time, but every 30 minutes I.

[Kale Lowry]

Was like, no, I can.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can usually go a couple hours. I did take an eating break in between, but yeah, I do usually go. No, I forget. I drink a lot of water. You also can't drink, but I don't know if it really affects it.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, water probably is fine. But I did my. I did Ancestry and 23andMe sponsored. Absolutely not.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

You did it for free.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you want to sponsor my podcast?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. What did you. What did you find out?

[Kale Lowry]

That I'm Greek.

[Trisha Paytas]

Interesting. I've been told we are Greek, but I don't know for sure.

[Kale Lowry]

So do you know anything about where.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, no. I know nothing. But I was told once that we were Hungarian. I was told we were Greek. Okay, that's it. It sounds Greek. Like John Stamos, the Os and the as. It sounds Greek, so I'm leaning towards Greek. I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, that could be cool. We're like, probably cousins.

[Trisha Paytas]

That would be. So are you mostly Greek?

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's your main one?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

White. From where?

[Kale Lowry]

I think it's like, yeah, okay. English and Scottish.

[Trisha Paytas]

My biggest fear is to be just English or Scottish. You know, just like, so boring, you know, Which I probably. Maybe I am, but I do not.

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[Kale Lowry]

Have you been to Europe?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I've been to London twice. I did Celebrity Big Brother and that I was there for in 2017. So that was It. That was me. I've been to Greek. I've been to Mykonos.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And Dubai for a minute. To go to the Mali. I've been a little bit. I traveled for, like, a year, and then that was it. I haven't been too many places. How about you?

[Kale Lowry]

I've never been to Greece. I've been to Europe. I did. Spain, France, Germany. Oh, Spain, France, Germany. Am I missing one?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Italy.

[Kale Lowry]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Would you go with your kids or did you.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I went by myself. I actually. My friend canceled on me last minute, and because we understandably, like, looking back, I'm like, okay. Like, you didn't want to be involved with my relationship.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Like.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I was in a really toxic relationship. And she's like, I can't support you through this. So she canceled, I think, like, the day before, two days before, and I went anyway. It ended up being, like, one of the most incredible trips for me, but I was like, I'm glad that I went. Like, I tried chicken liver. I tried, like, all kinds of different.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you love it?

[Kale Lowry]

No, it was good. But then she told me after what it was because I, like, met random people there, and she was like, do you want to try something? And I was like, yeah. So she spread it on bread, and I ate it, and then she was like, do you want to know what it is? And she was like, it's chicken liver.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you had the spreadable kind. That's so interesting. My husband cooks it, but it's. It looks more like little meat pieces.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you eat it? No, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm very picky. I'm very picky. I like, like, chicken fingers and stuff. I can't eat, like.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, speaking of fingers, are we gonna ever bring back chicken fingers and light them?

[Trisha Paytas]

I am working on music. It's so funny because, like, I always had pop star dreams. Have you ever wanted to be a singer? Pop star?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I think about it all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you? Why don't you do it?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, when I heard your album, I was like, kristen, do you think I have a chance? And she's like, you could.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you sing?

[Kale Lowry]

Absolutely not.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't enjoy it?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I do, but when I turn the music all the way up, only because that's when I sound the best with them.

[Trisha Paytas]

You couldn't sing right now?

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everybody sing? Yeah. What song do you like? I love singing. I don't sing either. I'm not, like, a good singer, but I love singing.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. What song should we sing?

[Trisha Paytas]

What song? I feel like we have very different music taste, maybe. Or maybe not.

[Kale Lowry]

Who's your favorite favorite? Like, name someone that you like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Donny Asmon show tunes. Dear Evan Hansen.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I know who Donny Osmond is, obviously, but how about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know the Dear Evan Hansen soundtrack?

[Kale Lowry]

Like the Hanson Brothers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, like Ben Platt, Tony Award winning musical.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm so surprised by this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what? Okay, tell me something you like. Maybe we can wear a match. Oh, I don't know. I know their music.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like, know them, but I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

Sam Smith is one person.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, right. Non binary. I think probably.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's why I said they. Oh, I am pretty sure. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. But I love them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Has that Sam Smith.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that's not like a song. I feel like we both love Britney.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, we both love Britney.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so what's a Britney song?

[Kale Lowry]

So on tour, I've been walking out to Piece of Me, but that's not one. We can like, sing with the vocals, right? We need something with acoustic. Like, that's not what it is, but something. Wait, you sound just like her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. This is your song, basically. It's kind of our song. It's our anthem.

[Kale Lowry]

No, it is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That's a good one.

[Kale Lowry]

Can you tell me how to make an album? Like, what do I do first? Can I do it on my podcast equipment?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. You could do it on your iPhone these days, like, it's actually so easy to do an album.

[Kale Lowry]

But how do you, like, put it out and make money?

[Trisha Paytas]

That I don't know. I put it out and lose money. I spend so much money on my music production. My music videos are so expensive. But that's easy too. You can just upload it to like. Where do I upload my Symphonic? I don't know. I don't know if that's the thing. Soundcloud, like a soundcloud rapper. You could. There's like distribution sites. Like, I have Symphonic and you can just upload it and it like, blasts it out everywhere to take Tick Tock to. I think all my songs are on Tick Tock now. Itunes everywhere. And people can stream or buy. But I think it's kind of hard to make money unless you, like, sell a lot. Yeah. You know, I've only ever made like a couple thousand, like a year doing it, so it wasn't lucrative for me. But like, Tana, she like, made a ton of money, she said. I think hers went like platinum or something.

[Kale Lowry]

She made music.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Yeah. There's kind of iconic it was kind of around the same time I did it, but she's a lot younger than me, but she.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I didn't know that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I followed the cancer. I follow the canceled podcast.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

You do?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I know exactly who they are. Love, Tana. I didn't know she made music.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she has one. Your bitch. Like, I'm hefner. I take 10. Like, I rep her. Like, she was like, a rapper. She's like, I'm at the W taking W's. Like, that was her.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was, like, a little rapper for a minute. Mm.

[Kale Lowry]

She should. She should take that back up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. We had talked about doing a song because I really do love her. I hadn't. I've always known her for so long and only since we started doing the podcast that I, like, get to know her more, and I really love her. But, yeah, her music was kind of a. Kind of iconic back in the day, but.

[Kale Lowry]

You're chicken. Freaky.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

It sounded. It was. Giving Britney Spears.

[Trisha Paytas]

That one is probably my most popular. I do love that one. That was a good one. It had a hit. Yeah, that was in 2017. I just love it because, you know, you want to be, I don't know, a pop star. You want to be Britney Spears.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that video actually was inspired by Britney. The music video. It was inspired by her criminal one. It has all the same outfits. She wore everything. I love it. Actually, there's a guy in the video that was in a Britney video, and I met him on Tinder. His name was Kevin. Yeah, he was in a Britney music video. I think that's why I wanted him.

[Kale Lowry]

You have lived 100,000 lives in 36 years.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I gotta have. I love it.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that for you, you know, stories. You're gonna be able to tell your kids so many.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, not like you. You have, like, three or four memoirs already, but you're.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, making music videos. Are you kidding me? Like, I need to. No, I have to make. Make one. You just have to tell me. I don't know how to do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Super easy. And I use the same guy. He has, like, a production company. His name, Andrew Valentine. He's like a. He's a big director now, but he has a production company and he does all the work, and you just, like, show up. It's a little expensive, but. But it's worth it. It is worth it.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I do it for the experience.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I had to, like, tone it down since I had kids because I was literally spending, like, Millions of dollars on these videos. I was like, let me save some for my kids.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know if I'll spend. I don't know if I could do the music video, but I would definitely record and see what happens. I'd probably need a of lot of auto tune, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think everyone does. Yeah, I think everyone does so much auto tune. I do, too. I sound great. But they do auto tune for sure after.

[Kale Lowry]

You could have fooled me.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Truly.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you ever watch any of your old content?

[Trisha Paytas]

Never. Never. Oh, my gosh. I don't even watch my new content. Like, I hate hearing myself back. I hate it.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Do you? No, I don't.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't watch a teen mom, not with your kids. Be like, look at mommy.

[Kale Lowry]

No. If it comes up on, like, social media, I'll obviously, like, be like, oh, wow. Like, I remember that, but other than that, I don't. I can't. I don't even listen to my podcast.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Podcast back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, same.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I can't. If you ask me if I said something and you, I have no idea. But if you tell me I said something, I'm like, okay. That's why.

[Trisha Paytas]

When you're like, your name's not Church, I'm like, I probably said that at some point, but don't know what, why, or when I would have said it.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you have a memory problem at all?

[Trisha Paytas]

I do same, and it only developed recently. I wonder if it's like a mom brain thing or something. Because I always had a really good memory, and certain things I remember exactly, like, and tell you what, I weighed, how much money I made. But then there's like, certain things that, like, literally, like, oh, you said this, like, last week. I'm like, did I? I have no idea.

[Kale Lowry]

No, literally saying, I wonder what that is. I thought it was anesthesia. Like, the problems from anesthesia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, when did you have anesthesia last? When you had your surgeries?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you now. Oh, you had C section with your twins?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, but I didn't get fully knocked out. I just did the.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right.

[Kale Lowry]

They put anesthetic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah, same. I guess they can't really put you out, can they?

[Kale Lowry]

For C section? Yeah. If you freak out, they will just knock you out.

[Trisha Paytas]

They kept missing the epidural, and they're like. I'm like, you guys are gonna have to stop because I'm about to pass out from this. And then they're like, well, we can put you under, but I guess the father can't come back. If you're put under, which is so weird. They said he wouldn't be able to be there for the birth if I was, like, put under. I'm like, all right, try it again. Like, they did the epidural, like, five. I have a huge bruise, like, this big on my back because I kept, like, missing it.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

For a regular birth or just C section.

[Kale Lowry]

Always scheduled for C section?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, my first one, I tried not to vaginally deliver.

[Kale Lowry]

And what happened?

[Trisha Paytas]

Just got stuck. Her face was, like, really squished. She came out looking like a ninja turtle because her face was so squished in there. I pushed for, like, three hours. I don't know if that's like, you're supposed to push that long. When I was, like, pushing three hours straight. And they kept changing nurses. And then finally, like, the doctor's like, oh, we should probably get you in for a C section. I was like, that would have been. And it was so much easier. Like, I'm a C section mom, and I, like, stand by it. I'm like, honestly. And then the second time, it was like a 10 minute thing. The baby was out. No contractions, no laboring, nothing. And I was like, so much easier. Wow, you did vaginal.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I did. All of my kids were vaginal except for the twins. But I went into labor on my own and then did a C section.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, interesting.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Because they wanted to schedule the C section, but I didn't like any of the dates that they were giving me. So I was like, I just. Let's just do it on my own. It wasn't a scheduled C section because there was something wrong. I mean, one of the babies was breached, but it was more so just because it was like twins. And I think that's what they typically do.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

So I was like, let's just go into labor on my own. Which I did. And then I asked them, could we just wait 15 more minutes so that it's, like, honest the date that I like? And they were like, no, they're born on October 29th. But I wanted it 15 minutes later for October 30th.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why did you want October 30th?

[Kale Lowry]

I just feel like that's like a more like whole number, like 1030 versus, like, 1029.

[Trisha Paytas]

My husband's birthday's 1029.

[Kale Lowry]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I love it. In fact, next year, I was like, should we try to get pregnant on Valentine's Day so we could have a baby around your birthday?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I love that. That birthday. And he's always loved it too. Because it's around Halloween, so you can have, like, kids Halloween party. You know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, they weren't due till December.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so do all twins come early? All twins come early.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you went into labor early.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, but I also.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

They were.

[Kale Lowry]

My twins were, so my original due date was 12. Five was December 5th.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Wow.

[Kale Lowry]

They were five and six pounds at five and a half weeks early.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, that's so tiny. Were they in the nicu?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah. For how long?

[Kale Lowry]

Valley was in the NICU for three weeks, and Verse was in the NICU for just a couple days.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. And you can't be there.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I did. I went every single day.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, God, that's so scary.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, it was hard. It was hard. But I mean, now they have a Halloween birthday, which is really cool.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You can have, like, costumes and stuff around their birthday. Yeah, I think it's the best. Like you said, Scorpio is, like, so.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, so I conceived Lincoln on Valentine's Day, and then I gave birth to him in November.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what Travis and Courtney happened to. Everyone said, valentine's Day, you'll get a Scorpio in October. And I was like, okay, we're gonna try. He doesn't want another third. But, you know, I'm gonna be like, let's try.

[Kale Lowry]

He doesn't want a third.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think he's like, done. I think I'm done too. But next year is also year of the snake and Chinese zodiac. And he's also a snake and. And Elvis was a dragon. I'm a dragon. So I was like, it's so rare to have a kid the same year because it's once every 12 years. So I was like, it doesn't hear the snake and it's your. You know, we should just try your year, and if not, we'll be done.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, but I don't know. We'll see.

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[Kale Lowry]

I don't think people believed you when you said you were going to name your kids Malibu and Elvis. I don't think people believed you.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy because I've been saying it first. So I'm. I was literally like the original Jojo Siwa where I was saying it at like 20 years old. I'm like, this is my baby's names. You know what I mean? And then it always was going to be. And everyone else I've been with that I even like thought about kids with, they were like, absolutely not. Those are not our kids names. So should have known right there that I weren't the one. And, and Malboy Elvis was most like abs. Those were the like two that he like loved. Yeah. Really? Yeah. There was a lot he like didn't like, but he like loved.

[Kale Lowry]

Was Elvis for a girl or a boy?

[Trisha Paytas]

Elvis was always in my head I thought boy, girl, right? Like you think, oh I'm gonna have a boy, I'm gonna have a girl. But with when she came and when we found out we were pretty, the second one before I knew the gender, it's like it's gonna be Elvis. Because we just thought we're gonna be done with two. Which we probably, probably should be, you know. But yeah, because naming babies is so fun. Like that's why I wish I had seven. I could name seven babies be so great.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean you could get dogs.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not a dog person.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm just a little. I can't take care of dogs. Ironically, like for Me, babies were a little easier than dogs. They're a lot of work.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, so I will actually agree with that, because babies go in diapers like they in diapers. But when you're potty training a puppy, I mean, you have to clean that up out on the floor. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

And for life, they never potty train, which is, like, crazy. And like you said, you have to go, like, pick it up with your. I only had a dog for one day, and then thankfully, my mom, you know, took it, adopted it, whatever, from me, because it was gifted to me. And I was like, I live in an apartment. And I was like, I've never had a dog in my life. So I was like, my mom took it, and now my sister has it. But, yeah, the idea. I didn't know how it worked. I was feeding it throughout the night. I just kept feeding it because it would make noise. I'm like, here's some food. Like, I don't know, you know, it was so bad. But dogs are way harder than babies.

[Kale Lowry]

Peter's gonna come for you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Well, don't give people dogs. That's, like, the worst.

[Kale Lowry]

That is really weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, don't get animals in general, I feel.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that's so weird. I think I might have mentioned once because, like, he wanted a dog, so I was like, yeah, I would love a dog together if we had a house. And then, like, one day it just shows up, and then he leaves it there, and I'm like, sign up for this. Yeah. I was like, no, thank you.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you ever get mad when your old content resurfaces at all?

[Trisha Paytas]

Depends, I guess. If it's something, like, problematic. Oh, my God, I wish it would go away.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But. But thankfully, it's usually, like, funny moments or people can, like, laugh at things now because they can look at it as a more lighthearted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How about you? Do you, like. Because you're, like, documented for life, and you have, like, no control over, like, teen mom and stuff, so do you, like, cringe or.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, no, I cringe. I. You know, there's things that I've not been. Been proud of and I've apologized for over the years, and it's like one of those things where it's like, you know, I want to grow, I want to evolve, but how do I. I navigate this? When am I. Do I apologize again?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think forever.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's kind of how I am. I feel like when things resurface, it's just gotta keep, you know? Keep. I Never try to hang on to it because it's like, okay, like, obviously you can't, like, live in the past, but if people get mad about it, I think it's just one of those things that you're stained with forever.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, just keep apologizing or not. You know, there's people who are just like, I apologize once and I'm not doing it again. And I. I respect that too. But for me, I'm someone who's always. I think we talked about this. I'm just always apologizing, even if I'm not even, like, in the wrong. I'm like, I'm sorry. Just, you know, like, I just want to be okay cool with everyone, especially the Internet. Especially when you're a different person, you know.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah. I was listening to the call her daddy thing where you were talking about, like, change and evolution, that people change. I would agree. I don't think all people do change, but I think that a lot of people can change.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Some people are just awful forever. Yeah. I think it takes a while too, to, like, actually see if someone's changed. Like, even me, it's only been like a few years since I haven't been, like, you know, diabolical. So I think it's like, people are like, okay, we'll see if it lasts. But obviously being to able a parent changes you, like so much too, you know, I mean, it's different when you're like, so young, but I do think you don't want to embarrass your kids, so you kind of tighten up a lot easier.

[Kale Lowry]

And also, like, you have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, for sure. I. I had to. When I, like, found out I was pregnant, I was like, you know what? I need to, like, make sure I can control my emotions for the kid too. You know what I mean? For your babies, too. I know so many people who grew up with them. I have borderline personality disorder. So. So many people, like, grown up with moms like that. They're like, it was the worst. And she was always like, brought that.

[Kale Lowry]

I. I wrote that down.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. Let me pull this up. You have so many. I love first. I love that you have the cards too. I love those cards. It's very. Talk show vibes.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, that's like what the vibe was, you know, I was like, I'm gonna be a talk show host.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, did you love it too? Were you. Do you want to be a talk show host? Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And just like a host in general for, like, awards or, like, do commentary I mean, I'm not that funny, but if I was to do like a commentary on carpets or something, or just like ask people about themselves. Okay, I love doing that.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do we get those jobs?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I don't know. I've been trying for a long time. Long time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Every podcast I mentioned, I'm like, I would love to go to the Emmys. I would love to go to the. That is the dream job. But there's hard people who are doing it. Like, Tick Tockers are doing it. I'm like. And just the most random. Not random, but like, kind of random.

[Kale Lowry]

And I'm like, we've been around for a long time.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I've been trying for 18 years. I'm like, wow, I'm so jealous and impressed by these people.

[Kale Lowry]

So I did write down the BPD stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I don't know anything about it. Please tell me about it. I know I thought it was bipolar disorder, and then my friend Bone told me that it was borderline personality disorder.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

Not to be confused with DID Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

There'S all of those kind of get confused with each other. And including myself, I was very confused for a long time. I thought I had did. I thought I was like disassociated identity disorder. And I thought that. No, I actually found out I was borderline in like 2019. It's the first time I ever heard of it because I have.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm not self diagnosed.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, no, no. I was in three mental hospitals in 2019. So I was. They would give me pills and then I'd get out. You know, I was on an involuntary hold for like 17 hours. So they give you pills, but they don't really tell anything. So by the second time I was in the mental hospital, I was like, you know what, I should probably get this like, looked at. So I did go to a lots of therapists, but the one here, and actually in West Hollywood, he was the first person to be like, I think you have traits of borderline. And so I didn't really, you know, I didn't really like, delve too deep into it. And then he recommended me these DBT classes which like a group therapy for borderline, where it's kind of like everyone sharing their story for borderlines. And that helped tremendously. And then in 2020, Dr. Drew kind of reaffirmed it. So, like this doctor had told me, like, you know, you have traits of it, but it wasn't like to get a diagnosis. It's not. You get medication for it. So it's Kind of like you have traits of this. So I was like, all right. I've been also told I had traits of bipolar. So I was. And I got medication for it, but they don't give you medicine, at least for me, for borderline. And then Dr. Drew I saw in 2020, and he kind of, like, reaffirmed it, and I was like, oh, I actually went to, like, borderline classes. I went to diabolic, like, like the DBT classes, like all that stuff. So it kind of was like double confirmation. Dr. Drew is obviously not my doctor, but he is great.

[Kale Lowry]

He is.

[Trisha Paytas]

He is a doctor. But I think, like, legal purposes, like, I am not treating you. And I was like, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

She's like, I'm not diagnosing you. But yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, yeah, traits. And I'm like, but I have been diagnosed with it. And yeah, but you know, the whole self diagnosis, people get mad when people say it's like, I think so few people get help. And so they see people like me or anybody with borderline, like, oh, that sounds like me. And I feel like. Like it's not necessarily a bad thing because it's not something like you're harming anyone by diagnosing yourself. If you're like, that's probably what I have. I have emotional outbursts. I have this. Like, at least you're aware of it. And then when I talk about how I regulate my emotions, maybe they're like, oh, I can also do that because, you know, because therapy is expensive, you know, to get a diagnosis is expensive. So I don't know. A lot of people get for like, self diagnosing themselves, but I'm like, at least they're aware they have, like a problem, you know?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Well, I.

[Kale Lowry]

When you started talking, talking about it, I was like, do I have this?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I think a lot of people, right, like, start thinking that when you hear it. Yeah. Have you ever gone to therapy?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

For sure.

[Kale Lowry]

I didn't. Dr. Drew had told me to maybe do the EMDR therapy where they, like, use the clicker to, like, repro program your brain.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, in. Wait, why? What is.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

So it.

[Kale Lowry]

Basically, it's like the, like, retraining your brain for how, like, the traumas that you've experienced.

[Trisha Paytas]

EMDR is a psychotherapy technique. Technique that helps people process distressing memories and heal from trauma.

[Kale Lowry]

Wow. So he had suggested that to me, but like I said, I live in Delaware, so it's really hard to have resources like that. I would have to, like, go to New York or maybe Even New Jersey, something like that. But I. I don't have access to that. You know what I mean? But that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you come out here a lot. I feel like you could.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I don't know how regularly it needed. Needs to be done. Like, I don't know if it's like a weekly thing or a monthly thing or. But. So is BPD Genetics, or is that like trauma induced? Is that the right word? Is it trauma?

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. I think. I don't know on this one. I think it's usually a trauma, like, response. Yeah, it's usually something that's developed.

[Kale Lowry]

So what is it, though?

[Trisha Paytas]

Borderline personality. Like, it's a personality disorder. So it's not.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't feel like there's anything wrong with you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are, like, mentally ill and they're fine, you know, they're like, functioning. But I think there's a lot wrong with me. There is a lot wrong with me. Not to say borderlines there's anything wrong with them, but there is a lot wrong with me. And I think it did kind of stem because as far as I know, no one in my family has it.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

But they're also not people who, like, believe in therapy really, so they definitely could, and they just don't know. Yeah, I think it just comes from trauma. Trauma, abuse, like, you know, stuff like that. Like, and so much of me working through it, Like, I haven't really done therapy until 2019, so I was like 31 when I started. Is kind of what we were talking about. Kind of like remembering so many things of the past which didn't seem traumatic. And you're like, oh, my gosh. Maybe that's where it stemmed from, you know, like, it was kind of like this, like, response, so not being able to control my emotions. You know, there's like another.

[Kale Lowry]

Would your spending be part of it or no? Is that.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Not really.

[Trisha Paytas]

I asked Dr. Drew that. So funny. And that's like more of like a personality addiction. Like, he called it something where it's like. So it's like spending, eating. Those are all like, personality addictions. Addictions more so than. But maybe it's more. For me, it's more like I hyper fixate. I split. I hyper fixate on people. So, like, me, I could like, go on one date with a guy and I just, like, that person becomes my world. I'm like, we're getting married, we're having kids. You know, like, it's very. That kind of stuff. My biggest BBT Trait is just I could never control my emotions. Like, oh, my God, I would see red, you know, and it wasn't like an anger thing. It was almost like a blackout. We're disassociating, where I would just get triggered somehow. And I just couldn't control myself. So I, like, lash out. I have, like, a nasty tongue, you know, I would just. I would go nuts. And it kind of. It elevated. I was very. I don't know what the word is. Like, I just. I would just black out and just go absolutely insane, and I just don't remember so much of it. And then people would tell me stories. Oh, this is what happened. Some of it was real, some of it wasn't. You know, so some people would, like, say, oh, like, you know, she was so crazy, she crashed her car in my house. But there was, like, no police report. But for so long, I believed that. And I just was like, you know what? This is part of my story. I'm going to own up to it. That's what I did. And then, like, when you come to, which has been only like, the past couple of years for me, I'm kind of like, but did that happen?

[Kale Lowry]

And do they happen? Some of these things, did they actually happen? Did you actually crash your car into someone's house?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think so. I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

Someone said that about you. Why would they say that?

[Trisha Paytas]

To be like, you're crazy. You need help. You did this.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

And I think that's insane.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, the thing is, I remember my car being over at that person's house, but, like, I don't remember a crash. I don't know. I had a dent on my car, but was it from that? I don't know. And there's been other instances where people, like, tell me something happened, and I kind of just go with it. Some things I remember, some things I don't. And then some things you're like, did that happen? Did I hallucinate? Because I had a lot of hallucinations, too, and I was just like, it's such a. It's such a weird thing. It's such an interesting thing. Yeah, I don't.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know if that. People talk about the BPT a lot, so I. I have no idea about it. And I. That's why I was so curious about it. I wrote so many questions down.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

What led to the did get I diagnosis? Just talking to the doctors, I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it was. I remember it was 20, 19, so I had, like, a really Harsh breakup. I had really bad cancellations on YouTube. Like, everybody was, like, doing videos about me all at the same time. It was like Nikocado said I ghosted and PewDiePie made a video about me. There was just so many, like, awful videos being made about me. And I was like, God, I can't control myself. Like, I literally was just, like, hyperventilating, crying hysterically, like, on Instagram lives just, like, going and saying where the point of people calling wellness checks on me. So I was like, I should probably just talk to someone. And I would. I remember going into the therapist offices, like, May 10th of 2019, and I was just like, I can't get a. I can't get a handle on myself. Like, I'm actually, like, spiraling. And the first thing you suggested was just, like, stop going on, like, social media, like, reading comments, because, like, I just couldn't for so long, and it was hard. I couldn't break it because I was, like, addicted to that, you know? And it's like. But it did help. As soon as I was, like, able to, like, not really get on my phone, it did help so much, at least for a little bit.

[Kale Lowry]

So does Moses, this handle BPD or any. Any sort of mental health struggles that you may have?

[Trisha Paytas]

He was, like, not aware of it at all. Like, he became quickly aware when we started dating. And we, like, I mentioned we were, like, having. We had really tumultuous, like, beginning of our relationship because he just, like, wasn't aware. And I. I was. I would do things like, threatened kill myself, you know, like, those kind of things. Just so dramatic. I, you know, stopped him from leaving my house. Like, stuff that is embarrassing to talk about. But the only reason I do talk about it is because, like, I can at least show that you can get better, like, if you're going. But what it was is, like, I, like, would test people, right? Like, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna push him away, see if he, like, stays, whatever. And, like, I like, when people would stay with me, I was like, oh, they love me, you know, whatever. And so I keep doing it. I keep pushing people. So it's definitely a lot of tests. And I also don't, like, condone people staying in these kind of relationships because, honestly, it is, like, abusive.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And, like, you shouldn't have to put up with it. But Moses did, and to some degree, there was a time where he, like, blocked me and, like, didn't see me for, like, two months. You know what I mean? Like, he definitely didn't put up with it all the time. But he did come back around, and I was trying to get better, and I would have moments and when he understood. And I want to say it's all back to Dr. Drew. I want to say it was like a podcast I did with Dr. Drew where he was talking about these things where Moses kind of more understood, like, like, oh, this is a real thing. Because Dr. Drew was the first one. Shout out Dr. Drew, by the way, first person ever on YouTube to, like, understand and, like, explain where I was coming from, where everyone else was like, trisha's crazy. And when he did that for me, like, stood up for me, I was like, holy, he got it. And honestly, I think Moses got it then, too, because he never knew anyone with, like, a mental illness, especially not as extreme as mine. And so he just went to therapy with me. So we went to, like, a couple's therapy and just try to explain it. Like, try to work through it. So he understood triggers where before he thought it was me just wanting to control the conversation. If I was like, we need to stop talking about this. He's like, stop controlling the conversation. And I was like, no. Like, it's actually gonna cause me to snap. And that's when I would snap. So he started learning about triggers and when to, like, stop and, you know, so. And boundaries. We had to set all these things that I wasn't familiar with. So he just worked with it, Worked with me on it for, like, a couple months. And he proposed, like, a couple months, like, into that. And that's when I really was like, okay, I need a. I was on Xanax. I was on the stuff. I was like, you know what? Let me really, really try to, like, get myself together. And, yeah, I was like, it was the beginning stages of it.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

Good for him, though.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Good for you.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I feel like no matter what your status is on, like, social media or anything, like, that can take such a toll on you. To, like, be around someone that has mental illnesses or mental health struggles is, like, it can take a toll on you.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a lot. It's so much. If you're mentally well or mentally unstable, it's just a lot for anyone.

[Kale Lowry]

And I think I look back to my depression, like, about a year and a half. Like, full on depression. Like, I would go take my kids to school, come back and go to sleep.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

I'd sleep all day.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, it was just, like, I was showing up where I needed to be, and that is it. Like, I had nothing to give anyone. I was literally showing up and doing the bare minimum. And like, I look back and I'm thinking about all the people who picked up my slack and I just think about how much that took a toll on them, you know what I mean? And they don't have to stick around, but they, they did. And so then, then you, I feel like eternally grateful, you know, for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

You start being like, wow, people like really love me. Like, I should probably try to like love myself somehow.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And then love them back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Well, who was it?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, so Elijah picked up a lot of the slack. It was, you know, I was pregnant. Elijah was really there. I had a nanny at the time for my, for my little ones. And then, you know, Kristen, she. She runs the behind the scenes of all my businesses. And so it was like really just like making sure that I showed up where I at least needed to be. Even if I'm just like there and doing what I just have to do. I didn't do anything extra. But like, they truly picked up where I was lacking.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's like, that's like a big fear of mine is like if I had like another episode or a spiral with my kids, you know, and I did early on in Malibu, I think like in the first three to six months, like I had breakdowns. I would like lock myself in the bathroom so like she wouldn't see it. But I was like in there for like six hours. And Moses didn't know what to do because he's like trying to care for this baby. And I'm like locking myself in there. And it was, it's like such a dark thing when you're a parent going through it and it's like, like, like, yeah. Where do you like turn to? You have to be a parent, but like you're also dealing with something that you don't know how to deal with.

[Kale Lowry]

I get so, so, so scared. Like if something happens, I get so nervous about going back into a depression because I do think that one was sort of related to being pregnant, being not like newly postpartum. And then I had the back to back three babies back to back. And so I definitely think that that was a big part of it. But I, I get so nervous about slipping back into that depression because if it happened once, it's possible, impossible to happen again. And so like, I get so scared. Especially when you have kids. Like, I get it, Completely get it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And it's like, because no matter what, like it has to trauma, it could traumatize them in some way. Right? Like Even if you, like, remove yourself to go get help, I mean, they're still like, where is Mommy? You know, like, it is. Yeah, it's.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

It's.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's very scary. And I don't think it's, like, talked about enough. I feel like people don't talk about it because people are so. Whenever I talk about it, like, not connecting with my daughter the first, like, year of her life, everyone's like, almost, oh, my God, what a terrible mother. But I was like, I didn't. I wasn't connecting. I wasn't like, I don't know what I did. You know what I mean?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

But.

[Trisha Paytas]

And people are so judgy. But I feel like it's such a. Like a real thing.

[Kale Lowry]

We have that in common. I had a really hard time connecting with my fourth son, and I have been pretty open about it. But, you know, my son's dad uses against me on a regular basis, and it's like, I. You weren't pregnant, so, like, maybe you shouldn't speak on it. Like, you don't know what that's like. And obviously doesn't change how much we love our kids. You know what I mean? But it's just, like, it's a real thing, and it's an imbalance. It's not something that we can control. Why would a mother ever wish to not connect with their child?

[Trisha Paytas]

I wanted my whole life to be pregnant, and then the minute she came, I was just like, I think this was a mistake. Like, I can't be a mom. Like, it was, like, so scary. It was like, yeah, people are so. People are the worst. Especially when it's your partner. I can't even imagine. Like, Moses was very, like, sympathetic, and he, like, understood, and he, like, researched everything he could about it. And thank God I had him and, like, mom and stuff. But, yeah, it's. People are doing it alone. I mean, that's why there's, you know, those women who have, like, go into psychosis.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I was pregnant alone. Like, he wasn't supportive. You know what I mean? So it's like, I understand how they go. You know, how it happens.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you did it by yourself, basically.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, if it wasn't for, you know, I had help at that time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And Kristen and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

But so important to ask help, too, when you need it.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, for sure. And I think a lot of times people struggle with that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Way easier said than done. Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because people are, like, including me before I had kids. Like, said, I, oh, my God, you have a nanny. Like, you're so lazy. But it's like, you need. Everyone needs help. Yeah. To, like, work, you have to have some sort of daycare. You can't do. You can't. You just can't do it all.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, so if you had to go back and get a regular job, would you go back to making smoothies or would you pick something else?

[Trisha Paytas]

Definitely not smoothies. Have you ever done barista or anything like that? Oh, my God. I did Coffee Bean at Yahoo. I did Delush at Hollywood and Highland. I was doing that. It's just the worst job for me, personally, because I'm just not. First, I'm just not good at, like, cooking or anything, but, like, measurements and, like, I'm just not. I would honestly rather be a stripper. Like, shout out to the people at geometries. I love geometries. And it's just, like. It's actually way harder. I'd rather just open my legs for dollars. You know what I mean? Like, it just. It was easier for me. And, yeah, it's a hard job. Service industry is, like, the hardest job. I will always tip, like, 50 because I'm like. I don't know, like, how people do it. I did it for such a short time, and it was the hardest thing in the world.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, it's so hard. Where's your dad now?

[Trisha Paytas]

My dad and I are really close. He's so good with my daughters. He's in Southern California.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's always lived here. I was born here in Riverside. He's always lived here. We lived in Illinois for, like, 15 years, but we weren't, like, super close growing up. I saw him, like, once a year for, like, Christmas. Christmas and, like, sometimes in the summer. And then we didn't talk when I was, like, 17 to, like, 21. But now we're close because, honestly, because of Moses. Again, like, he really, really loves Moses. And Moses, like, called him to ask permission to marry me with, which was, like, crazy, because he didn't know. Like, my relationship with my dad was, like, a little rocky. But, like, ever since then, my dad, like, really loves Moses, and we've become really close. And then having my daughters, my dad's, like, so good, which is, like, so weird because he always had anger problems when I was little, and he was always, like, kind of mean. And now he's just, like, so, like, laughing and jolly. I was like, who is this person? Like, it's so weird, but it's nice to see. And, yeah, we're really close, so he's.

[Kale Lowry]

Not with my dad. In the meat. The meat freezer. The locked freezer. Did you see that episode when I met my dad? Oh, I met my dad. I met my dad for the first time on Teen mom, And I was 17 on TV. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

My God.

[Kale Lowry]

That's why he had a lock on his freezer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why? What was in it?

[Kale Lowry]

He claimed me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you ask him to open it?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I think I did. I think it was off camera, but I was like, oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, that's. I had my dad come on a TV show with me when I was 18, because we weren't talking and I was trying to be famous. I was on the Greg Baron show, and there was a therapist there named Dr. Stacy Kaiser, and they're like, can we meet with your dad? And he, like, came on, and he was like, well, I just never get to see my daughter, so that's why I'm here. But it was like a big, like. It was like therapy at, like, 18. I really did want to be a teen. I'm telling you. I wanted to be like, drama. Like, Teen Mom. I'm like, I need my own show. I need something. So I was being Raising Hell, but no one cared. At least you had cameras following you, which is kind of. I guess it's like a reward for, like, being dramatic.

[Kale Lowry]

But, I mean, I'm glad that you guys have a good relationship now, because I, you know, over the years, I've seen, like, Rocky. Not Rocky.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. We're really good now, so. Yeah. And I'm just glad he's, like, good with her. Even when I get, like, annoyed or whatever, like, I'm just like, you know, what if they have a good relationship with the kids?

[Kale Lowry]

And that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

And my daughter loves him, so.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

If you go into Target, what's the first thing that you buy?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. God, I love Target. I love to buy clothes from Target. It's not fashion Nova, it's Target.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, no, Target is so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Their sizes are very forgiving. I can get, like, a double xl, and they're just really flat. I love Wild Fable. I love, like, all. I love clothes. I will buy a ton of clothes. I buy a ton of all my kids.

[Kale Lowry]

Is this from Target?

[Trisha Paytas]

This is fashion.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, it's still cute, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love a fashion both because they both have my size. So I take anything that's in my size. Skims is in my size. It's hard to find my size.

[Kale Lowry]

And then good American is in your size.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what it is, though? Yes, but how tall Are you five' eight? You're a little taller. Because if I get a double XL and good American.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

The pants are so long, but get them tailored.

[Kale Lowry]

I'll recommend the one that I use here. No, I'll send. No, he'll come to you.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you have, like, a stylist and tailor.

[Kale Lowry]

No, no, only when I come here.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I'm not. Yeah, I can't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Last Google search.

[Trisha Paytas]

God, I have to have my phone. It's probably. I like to see. So the Wicked is happening. I mentioned that. And it's like, I'd like to see where Jonathan Bailey is doing his promotion because I'm trying to get on the podcast. So I. I look to see where he's at usually and stuff. I Google him. It's usually, like, lyrics, too. I think on the way over, I was googling lyrics. I think it was to like a tick, tick boom or something like that. I was like, do you know the.

[Kale Lowry]

Song Hot to Go? Of course I didn't know it. I just learned it on Wednesday.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what do you. Because that's, like, the most famous song in the world. I love Chapel Rome. Obsessed with her. Who do you listen to? I'm so curious. Like, current.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Current.

[Kale Lowry]

I love Russ. Do you know who Russ is?

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he popular?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I would think he was. I love Post Malone. Post Malone is like my.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, yeah, we're like, love to have.

[Kale Lowry]

Him on the podcast. We're a little different with the music.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that your dream guest?

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah, Possible.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you, like, put it out there?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, hey, yeah, he retweeted me once or he, like, responded to me on Twitter or X. I don't know, whatever it's called.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

But I think it was his team, though. I don't know it was him exactly. But, like, I would love to have him on my podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like he might. I feel like he's kind of like a podcast friendly person. Like, I think he's that person. Like, social media.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. I mean, do you think there's a chance?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. I like to put it out there. Like, every episode, I just put out someone I really love. Like, I would love Britney Spears, you.

[Kale Lowry]

Know, just like, oh, of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wild Guys Aguilera.

[Kale Lowry]

I would have.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like she's very into, like, social media. I feel like she was. She is. I don't want to show comments. People's bodies, but she is so skinny.

[Kale Lowry]

She's just a legend.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She looks amazing. She sings so good. I was just like, damn, Yeah, I used to be like always just team Britney and I'm like, I don't like Christina. You know, back in the day, both.

[Kale Lowry]

See, I never, I never. It was like NSync, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears and Christina.

[Trisha Paytas]

You love both.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I have always loved all like it was never one or the other. The only one I didn't really get on on board with was 98 degrees for like the boy band.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they were like the flop.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. I felt like they were like the less than. But they were like old too, like whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? They were they like in their 30s when they did it and we're like, okay. The other ones were like young.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. No, but like I loved Britney and Christina and Jessica and Mandy. More like I loved all of them. There was never like, like a divide for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow, that's pretty good. That's pretty unbiased of you to do that. Yeah, I, I, I do like Christina. Now looking back, what the time. Remember, like, no, we're not liking Christina.

[Kale Lowry]

Cuz you're like, we're Britney stands.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but now I love her and I, she always did slay.

[Kale Lowry]

Last question is, if you're starving, what is the first fast food restaurant you go to?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wendy's Spicy Chicken nuggets.

[Kale Lowry]

I got them yesterday. It was like 10 piece with extra ranch.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Kale Lowry]

But you don't like sauces. I get that.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. I'll give you my ranch though.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, cool. So we're besties now.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. Oh my God. Thanks.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was like rapid fire and I.

[Kale Lowry]

Was trying, I was gonna say it, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Where can people find you? Where can people find your podcast? Where can people find your Patreon?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my gosh. Thank you for all of it. Just church podcasts everywhere. You listen to podcasts and patreon.com just. You have a Patreon, I do it. What's yours?

[Kale Lowry]

I think it's just Kayl Lowry.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's actually the best because people are so dedicated. Like the people who like pay to join behind a paywall. They're so dedicated. So like we do so much special content just for them because they like, appreciate it probably more than than the regular listener.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So shout out Patreon.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

We love them. Perfect.

[Kale Lowry]

We'll put it in the description.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yay.

[Kale Lowry]

Thank you, Trisha. Thanks.

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