From Combat To Conservation (Part 2) With Jimmy Armel

Summary

Barely Famous: From Combat To Conservation (Part 2) with Jimmy Armel

Podcast: Barely Famous
Host: Kail Lowry
Guest: Jimmy Armel
Release Date: May 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

This deeply raw and candid episode of Barely Famous continues the inspiring and complex journey of Jimmy Armel, a former Army Ranger turned fishing charter captain, psychedelic therapy advocate, and founder of the not-for-profit Not Lucky. Host Kail Lowry and Jimmy dive into the realities of post-military life, addiction, mental health recovery, the genesis of Jimmy’s fishing business, and how trauma, purpose, and unconventional treatment have shaped his path from combat to conservation. The conversation is gritty, emotional, and uplifting, breaking stigmas around veterans’ struggles and healing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Starting Over After Addiction & War

• Jimmy’s Initial Recovery and Entrepreneurial Drive
  • After cold-turkey withdrawal, Jimmy started a fishing charter business while dealing with overwhelming debt and mental health struggles.
  • “I didn’t want to die. I wanted to stay alive. … There’s no other way to put it. You just figure it out.” (Jimmy, 02:54)
• Unexpected Support and Divine Intervention
  • A chance conversation led to Skeeter Boats offering him a brand-new boat under improbable terms after a candid phone call about his struggles.
  • “It took one person to give you a chance, basically.” (Kail, 04:21)

Building a Business & Coping Mechanisms

• Grit-Based Guerrilla Marketing
  • Jimmy hustled business in Tybee Island bars, directly pitching tourists. His relentless drive came from desperation and a lack of alternatives.
  • “I would sit at bars and listen to people's conversations… I had a T-shirt on, I had a business card, and I'd start selling.” (Jimmy, 06:18)
• Ego, Emptiness, and Retail Therapy
  • Outward success didn’t heal inward pain. Meanwhile he spent excessively for dopamine hits — sneakers, cash handouts — while battling growing emptiness.
  • “I was empty inside and was trying to fill that emptiness with outside stuff.” (Jimmy, 08:11)

The Mental Health Spiral and Suicide Ideation

• Relapse & High-Functioning Addict
  • Jimmy relapsed for 8-9 months. He described the internal battle between wanting to quit and not being able to say no at the bar.
  • “In my head I would say, ‘no.’ But what would come out is, ‘yes.’ … This is sick. Something’s wrong.” (Jimmy, 09:27)
• Pivotal Moments at Sea
  • Despite outwardly “living the dream,” Jimmy shared a harrowing story of being 80 miles offshore with suicidal intent, only stopped by a sudden spiritual experience.
  • “If you would’ve asked me to build my dream life, it would have been the exact life I was living. And I felt nothing.” (Jimmy, 12:52)

Psychedelic Therapy: Ibogaine & Beyond

• Seeking Deeper Healing: Ibogaine Explained (16:24-24:00)
  • After years of therapy, he traveled to Tijuana for medically supervised ibogaine and 5 MeO-DMT treatments, leading to profound healing.
  • Jimmy stresses these are not casual substances and must be administered in reputable clinical settings.
  • “Ibogaine is one of the most powerful psychedelics in the world... It removes scar tissue from the brain. … It grows gray matter. It also reverse-ages the brain an average of 1.33 years per flood dose.” (Jimmy, 29:06)
• Psychedelic Experiences and Recovery
  • He describes intensely introspective experiences, emotional purging, and physiological changes — including relief from cravings and addiction.
  • “I was a two pack a day smoker. I was abusing Molly, mushrooms, marijuana, Xanax… The next morning, I want coffee and a cigarette, and I was like, why does that sound gross?” (Jimmy, 31:21)

Transformation into Non-Profit Mission

• From Charter Captain to Full-time Mental Health Advocate
  • A catalyzing DMT trip revealed his new purpose — to help others instead of chasing his own adrenaline and ego.
  • “I shut down the thing that saved me — my charter business — and decided to help people full-time. Everybody thought I was crazy.” (Jimmy, 35:43)
• Personal Sacrifice and Loyalty
  • Jimmy provides 24/7 support — housing, legal help, community — to struggling veterans, like Eric (a fellow Ranger who survived being shot in the face).
  • “You put your house up for collateral for your guy? … For a dude I'd seen once in 13 years.” (Kail & Jimmy, 59:24-59:26)

The State of Veteran Care and Broken Systems

• Critique of Big Non-Profits and VA Shortcomings
  • He contrasts grassroots direct support with massive organizations like Wounded Warrior, arguing most donations don’t reach those in need.
  • “You don't even have to be a veteran to be a member of Wounded Warrior. And guess what? You don't have to be wounded either… It's an absolute mess.” (Jimmy, 62:24-64:11)
• VA Mental Health Gaps
  • VA waits for psychiatric help are dangerously long, and the system relies too heavily on medication over personal support.
  • “They gave her an appointment four months away… Not, ‘do you need to sit down?’” (Jimmy, 65:19-65:27)

Not Lucky: The Mission and The Model

• What Not Lucky Does
  • Provides fishing charters and community for struggling veterans, often at sea for white shark tagging, deep-sea fishing, or simply healing on the water.
  • Offers "full immersion" — real-life support and camaraderie, not just an hour-per-week therapy.
  • “The boat’s incorporated. Everything’s purpose. That’s all I want to do.” (Jimmy, 67:10-67:20)
• Open to Civilian Support
  • Civilians can’t yet join nonprofit charters, but paid trips will be available soon.
  • Donors, businesses, and supporters can help via notlucky.org.
  • “If you could do like $10 a month… That would just, honestly, mean the world.” (Jimmy, 75:51)

Conservation, Sharks, and Deeper Meaning

• Shark Tagging as Metaphor and Mission
  • Shark conservation parallels veteran recovery. Both live on the edge of survival, struggling after violence, often misunderstood.
  • “If you really look at a white shark, they’re born in violence… trying to find their way. It’s kind of like a vet.” (Jimmy, 73:07)
• Details for Participants
  • Trips run from Savannah, GA, targeting different species by season. Info, merch, and donation links are at notlucky.org.
  • Solutions for seasickness (start Dramamine three days before), and plans for inshore trips for those less seaworthy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On High Functioning Addiction:

  • “As long as alcohol’s not in the picture, I’m 100. I’m on. … If I took half those things, I could sit here and do this interview just like this. I’ve been on live TV on Molly before.” (Jimmy, 38:22-38:44)

• On Healing and Desire:

  • “I am just a dude. … I am a perfect example of like, if I can do it, anybody can. … It takes work, it takes a support system.” (Jimmy, 42:00-43:05)

• On Military Recruitment and Class:

  • “They’re not [recruiting] at a $20,000 a year private school… it really is an income thing.” (Jimmy, 51:31-52:30)

• On “Not Lucky” and Redemption:

  • “Not Lucky is not a one-time thing. You know, sometimes people come and I fish once and I never see them again. And I always say I got guys that show up and just never go away.” (Jimmy, 75:52-76:10)

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Important Timestamps

• Jimmy’s Charter Business Origin Story: 02:19 – 06:40
• Addiction, Relapse, and Survival: 09:10 – 12:52
• Ibogaine, Psychedelics, and Healing: 16:24 – 25:46
• Turning Point: From Captain to Non-Profit Leader: 33:43 – 36:42
• Case Study: Saving a Fellow Ranger (Eric): 37:11 – 60:22
• Critique of Big Charities & VA: 62:24 – 66:14
• Details on Not Lucky’s Mission and How to Help: 67:07 – 78:10
• Where to Find/Support Not Lucky: 77:45 – 78:26

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Connect and Support

• Website: notlucky.org (spelled K-N-O-T)
• Social Media:
  • TikTok, Facebook: Jimmy Lee Armel (Armel)
  • Not Lucky Veteran Fishing (Facebook)
• Podcast: Not Lucky Podcast (featuring stories from Jimmy and guests, including his mom's perspective)
• How to Help:
  • Donate at notlucky.org ($10/month goes a long way!)
  • Merch available for purchase to support operations

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Host’s Closing Thoughts:

• Kail praises Jimmy for his candor, resilience, and commitment to breaking stigmas:
  • “You’re kind of like stripping away stigmas to various different things. … I think so many people could learn so many things from you.” (Kail, 41:14)

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Final Word

This episode is a call for empathy, courage, and tangible action. Jimmy’s journey from combat and addiction, through entrepreneurial survival, to innovative healing and heartfelt service illuminates the power of community, vulnerability, and finding purpose beyond pain. The mission of Not Lucky is a living testament: with the right support and openness, even the most wounded warriors — and all those who feel “lost at sea” — can heal and find meaning again.

To get involved or support Jimmy’s work, visit notlucky.org and follow along on social media.

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(Ad reads, intros, and outros have been omitted for clarity and focus.)

Transcript

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[B]

So I started a for profit business While in withdrawals. So Skeeter Boats took it.

[A]

Timeout. Timeout. Okay.

[B]

So you're.

[A]

So you. You cold turkey. Did. Did you stay sober?

[B]

Yeah, for a year and then I relapsed.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Uhhuh.

[A]

But you start your business in that year that you're sober.

[B]

Yep. And killed it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, you did great.

[B]

And so it out ended up on Discovery Channel on a fishing show my first year. Ran 176 trips my first year, which is unheard of.

[A]

But what made you decide to do this charter situation and how did you start it knowing that you didn't have any money and you were in debt?

[B]

Cuz I didn't want to die. I wanted to stay alive.

[A]

So you figured it out?

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Like there's no other way to put it. You just figured it out?

[B]

Yeah, I just didn't want to die yet.

[A]

So did you buy a charter boat? Did someone give you a charter boat to use, to borrow? Like how. What did that look like?

[B]

This is like, this is like, this is kind of where the story gets really good, right? Like I'm a Christian. I know not everybody is. I don't try to shove it down people's throats, but God's had a huge impact in my life. And I was, you know, going through it. Right, because your brain's all jacked up from addiction, you know. And I was like, man, I need to start this charter business. You know, you can't, you can't use a cosigner remote normally. This, that and the other. And I went down and looked at some used boats at a dealership and he, the owner hit me back up, was, you know, pitching a sale to me and I was still withdrawing. I was pissed off that day. And I was like, sir, I don't have time for this. I'm just going to be blunt with you. I was like, I just went through withdrawals, dude. I just got out of the army. I was like, I'm just, I'm just trying to make it. I can't afford anything at your shop. I appreciate what you're doing, making your list, living. Have a good day. And got off the phone and then he emailed me, was like, I want to talk to you more. And had me come down there. And then a rep from Skeeter Boats was there and they gave me a boat at a brand new boat at a very, very, very, very, very unreal deal. And they had a finance guy that allowed my mom to co sign out of state. And

[A]

it took one person to give you A chance, basically.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then, yes, I just started running and gunning. Right? It was my coping mechanism. I was only sleeping two hours a night. Some nights I wouldn't sleep at all just because, like, you know, everything I was dealing with and like, you know, every time you close your eyes, you see a kid you killed. And then every, every day you turn around, it seems like. Or every week, you know, multiple times a month, you got. You got buddies that are killing themselves. And, you know, this guy is off the rails and this is going on and I'm like sitting here trying to figure out, you know, I had a terrible self image and like, I'm trying to figure out, like, how do I do this, you know, charter business thing? And, you know, I watched all these. I watched in everything I could get my hands on about Pablo Escobar and of all people, Adolf Hitler. Because evil, evil men. But both of them came from absolutely nothing. And within like a 10 year time span, literally almost took over the world.

[A]

I. I actually had that conversation with my kids not too long ago. We were talking about Germany and Hitler and stuff. And I said, the problem with Hitler is that he's a really hate, like a leader qualities as a leader.

[B]

He's a complete psychopathic.

[A]

He just did a piece of trash the wrong way. Like, if, if he would have done that for good, imagine what he could have accomplished. You know, like, it just, it sucks because he used it for. For bad. But. So you're looking at. How do I start this? Were you watching YouTubes? Were you reading.

[B]

I was so, like behind on, like technology like that, especially with social media and stuff. So I started by sitting in a bar on Tybee island, which is where all the vacationers go, and whenever somebody would say something about what to do around here or the water or whatever. I'd had a T shirt on, I had a business card, and I'd start selling, you know, I'd go up and I'd wait, Jimmy.

[A]

Essentially, like wait for tourists to come around. Oh.

[B]

I would sit at bars and listen to people's conversations.

[A]

While you're sober?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I was only like two months sober too. Yeah.

[A]

But you're like, I have. This is. How else am I gonna.

[B]

Because at that time, I didn't know another way. I was like, what is the shortest, you know, shortest distance between here and here? And I was like, I know tons of people go to that bar right there. And I know they talk about fishing. I'm going there to get people to

[A]

come on the Boat.

[B]

Yep. And that's how it started. And then a guy reached out to me and was like, hey, you need a website? I was like, I don't know how to do that. And he was like, call this lady. I met up with her. I was like, yo, what do you need to get started? She was like 500 bucks down. I ran a $500 charter that day, gave her that money, put a burger on credit at the thing because all of my disability money was going to bills and the debt. So put a burger on credit. She built my website. She taught me. The people that I was on the addictive fishing show with, they have a show on discovery now called RV there yet? Patrice and Kevin McCabe. They. Patrice taught me social media a little bit, like, or they did their best. Some of it took, some of it did. Started doing that, and then just, you know, one thing led to another, and then the next thing you know, I'm like charging more than anybody. I'm booked out all the time. And life was good. Right. Like outside looking in. I had, I had the. I had the sexy girlfriend, I had the big go, fast boat, you know? Right. Former army Ranger, now awesome charter captain. Yeah. Right. And like, my ego is like out of control because, like, I hated myself and I'm. But at the same time, like, I'm trying to like, convince myself that I'm this big bad dude. Right. Like, my identity went from being a gunfighter to just charter captain. I got to make more money, I got to catch more fish. All of this meaningless stuff. Right. So what I was doing is I was empty inside and I was trying to fill that emptiness with outside stuff.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

Which is what everybody does.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We all have to give it a shot. You gotta dip your toe in it. Yeah. And. And that doesn't work. Right. So, you know, fast Forward and I'm 80 miles offshore. And at this time, I'd started the non profit, but I was funding it myself because I was making good money. I was also spending the money as fast as I was making it because for me, like, retail therapy was like a thing with my mental health. Like, I've got. I think I've got like, I've got like 55, 60 pairs of sneakers or something like dopamine.

[A]

You're just looking for dopamine. You're looking for.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, Ye.

[A]

Anything that will give you some sort of hit.

[B]

Anything, Anything. I. I mean, I would go to the bank and like, get a couple hundred bucks in vibes and like go downtown and just hand it out like poor people because he's trying to do something to what? Just whatever, man. Just whatever, dude. I was abused. Like, I was. I shouldn't say. Well, yeah, I was abusing because I shouldn't have been on him, not because of my doctor. She was watching me.

[A]

Xanax, okay?

[B]

So I. I'm taking a mental health downturn, so I. Xanax.

[A]

Not drinking anymore at this time.

[B]

No, but you are. Came off.

[A]

How long was the relapse?

[B]

Yeah, like, eight, nine months. It didn't get. Yeah, yeah, because of course I did the thing where it's like, I can have one beer.

[A]

Like, you thought you could control yourself at that point, right? So then what. At the point that you get to the end of that relapse, what made you change your mind and go back

[B]

to being sober when I was. Because I was getting off the boat every day, going straight to the bar, drinking IPAs and chilled tequila. And she would. The bartender would look at me and be like, do you want another round? In my head I would say, no. But what would come out of my mouth is, yes. And I was like, this is. This is sick. I was like, something's wrong. And so I quit again. Went through minor withdrawals. They were nothing like throwing up and little. Little diarrhea. That was it. So got through that and then kind of saw the world with new eyes. Started taking guys out on my boat here and there. Not lucky. Kind of came to fruition in there. A guy, a local anchor, wtoc of Andrew Gordon. He's a good friend of mine now. He wanted to do a story on local fishing industry and was like, hey, man, you're like, top social media dude around here with it. Like, I want to do it on you. I said, well, you can. Can I talk about ptsd? And he's like, I'll ask my producer. Sure.

[A]

Did they let you.

[B]

Yeah. And then, like, my social media overnight blew up with vets wanting to hang out and stuff. And so I started doing that. And then. So, like, I'm helping guys, I'm running this business, but I'm not taking care of myself.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And you can't pour from an empty picture, Right. Thank God I didn't damage anybody or anything, you know, but they weren't getting what have gotten from me either, right? So I'm 80 miles offshore. Won't by myself one day and we trolling for mahi, so. And I felt nothing.

[A]

And I know.

[B]

So I'm sitting there and I'm like, I feel nothing. And I'm Like, I'm like, thinking about, you know, my life and, you know, I'm 39. This, at this point, right? I'm like. It's like, man, dude, I had a pretty. Pretty wild childhood. And those teenage years, wow. You know, and you go through it and all the war things, you know, like, just thinking about all the adrenaline rushes and, you know, liberating women that were being sexually assaulted. Like, what do you do beyond that? What do you do beyond that? And I'm like, well, you fish. And it's like, I don't. I just wasn't feeling anything. And so I got the. I get. Get the same pistol. Same exact pistol. Pull it out of my yeti bag, and I'm like, yeah. Like, this is the way to do it. Because if I'm downwind and I lean over the gunnel, you'll go overboard. Yeah. And, like, I can go this way. And as I roll out the back of the boat, pull the trigger. Blood spray goes away from the boat. Like, you're 80 miles offshore. They're never going to find your body. You're going to be your fish food immediately. And. And I'm sitting there and then, you know, God comes back in and he was like. It was like, what are you doing? And it said the thing, man. It's like, yeah, you gotta. You got the. You got the hot girl. You got the go fast boat. I mean, I had company. Sending me 30 fishing rods a year for free. Didn't pay for a fishing line. I got people paying me to make. But you didn't feel it? Nah, man. Felt nothing. Nothing. And I'm an emotional dude, man. I'm pretty same.

[A]

I cry every day.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I'm a crier. Like, I'm happy. Like, I like all the feels and. And then, like, really dawned on me. I'm like, okay. Like, I'm a slow learner, Clearly. I was like, okay, Something is really next level wrong. I've got everything in the world I could ever want. Because if you would have asked me to build my dream life, it would have been the exact life I was living. And I felt nothing.

[A]

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[A]

How did you get your website to look like that? Mine's so basic. Thanks. I just used Wix Harmony. What's that? It's wix's AI website builder.

[B]

You just tell it what you want

[A]

and it builds you a whole site. But you can also switch back and forth between chatting with AI and and editing things yourself. Ah, so you're not stuck with whatever

[B]

the AI gives you?

[A]

Nope. I mean, the results are pretty nice, but you can jump in and mess with whatever. Oh, that's neat. Try it for [e-mail] Harmony My new

[B]

website's been getting a lot of attention lately, and here's my secret. I used WIX Harmony. It's one of my favorite tools because it feels like such a natural way to create. And I have so much control over my website. I can just tell Aria, my AI agent, to create whatever I'm imagining in my head, or I can click anywhere on my site and change things myself. Try it for [e-mail] harmony that's wix.com harmony. And then that's what. That's what led me to taking ibogaine at Ambio Life Sciences.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

Ibogaine is one of the most powerful psychedelics in the world. It comes from the root bark of the iboga bush found in Central West Africa, predominantly in gaboon.

[A]

How the did you find out what that is like? What's.

[B]

Special operations community, man. It's a big.

[A]

So you already knew about it?

[B]

Yeah, I'd found out about it recently.

[A]

I only found out about microdosing on shrooms within the last two years.

[B]

Oh, no, no. So ibogaine. So it's very unique. Right? So I've done. I call it the Holy Trinity. You got ibogaine, ayahuasca and five meoasca. So those are. Those are the three big ones. And I've done. I've done ibogaine four times. Ayahuasca 13 times and five meo. DMT probably 80 times. Maybe with.

[A]

With. Was it like, guided or like monitored? You just do it?

[B]

No, no. Well, there's no guiding on ibogaine.

[A]

Okay. Is it. What is it, like an oil? What is it?

[B]

They. So it starts as a root bark. So if you take it in the raw form. Well, if you take it in the raw form, traditionally it's rebar. With I have a gain. They take out a couple of psychoactive alkaloids and they concentrate them. Okay. And they put powder and then they just put that in a capsule and then down the hatch. There's medical professionals there. You're hooked up to a EKG machine. Very, very, very professional. You're in a beautiful house in Tijuana. You got two cooks. You get a massage the day of the medicine. You do some yoga.

[A]

What the does it do to you? I'm. Sign me up.

[B]

It is. Oh, yeah, everybody.

[A]

No, no, sign me up. What does it do? And you.

[B]

Only in December. Let's go.

[A]

I don't have my Kids the whole week of Christmas. Like, sign me up.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

Wait. Okay, so, but what are the benefits of doing this? And how often. And, like, are you, most people, coherent? Like, tell me about it.

[B]

Oh, man. You. This, this is like one of my favorite things to talk about. So when you. You take the medicine, you. It takes about. Well, everybody's different. I'm gonna talk. This is strictly my. I want people to know that experience. Yes. Because this is not a blanket.

[A]

Also not medical advice. This is not medical advice. This is not advice on how to take drugs. Own experience. Please do not take any medical advice about this.

[B]

Also, do not go to any bootleg facilities. Go to reputable, reputable facilities where they're legally allowed to operate.

[A]

Okay, thank you for that. Okay, so you go to Tiana. What? You take a pill, but Are you coherent? Four pills.

[B]

Yeah. Do you take them like one, and then they wait like an hour, hour 15. You take another, and then it's like 15 minutes. 15 minutes.

[A]

What is the purpose? Like, are you coherent? Do you know what's going on around you? Do you go to sleep? Is it like a Xanax? Like, I have so many questions.

[B]

I know. I love this. So to answer your question, yes to everything and also maybe no. Okay, Right, right. Because it's different for everybody. Okay. So, like, and. And I'll. I'll. I'll tell you how it is for me, and then I'll. I'll give you. I'm only going to give you examples of stuff I have actually seen. Just. Just for the viewer. And so if we're offline and you. So, you know, you take the medicine and once it kicks in, you know, and I have a lot of people that have experience with psychedelics. Like, well, is it like acid? Is it like mushrooms? Is it like this? The answer is no. It's like ibogaine. It's like nothing else. And there's nothing you can do to replicate it. Okay, so you take the medicine. You know, for me, once it kicks in, this is kind of a common thing. You may hear buzzing. It's the bees. So, like, well, I've got. That's an ibogaine molecule on my penguin. There's obviously a story behind that one. We'll get to that. And then I got the 5 Meo DMT on the toad back here. Yeah. These molecules are near and dear to me. I wear a bee around my neck because you hear the bees when it kicks in, because it's all like, it makes you vibrate. Like, you'll Shake a lot on it. And as they say, the vibrations heal you.

[A]

Does it hurt?

[B]

Not at all.

[A]

But it's just like involuntary shaking.

[B]

You don't feel like you're shaking. Like, you'll look at your neighbor and

[A]

they're like it, but they're fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do they. Can they talk? Yeah, you can talk on it. Yeah. And have a normal conversation.

[B]

It depends on who you are and how the medicine's affecting you, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you take your eye, it's very. So ibo gain is very internal. So you're going to put an eye mask on, right. So once it kicks in, you go up to the. What I call the journey room, and there's like a bunch of mattresses laid out and, you know, fresh clean sheets. And you got a mirror. Everything's dark. They got the. It's called the booty music. The booty tradition music, traditional music. 1. It's like African tribal music, but, like, really wild. So when they make the music, they're on iboga. When they. When they build the instruments, when they write the music, and when they. When they perform it. So you're listening to that, you're staring in this mirror and you're shaking the shaker they give you. You're just staring in this mirror. And then obviously, a lot of times that's when the psychedelic stuff starts. You know, you might start having thoughts, whatever.

[A]

What kind of thoughts?

[B]

It's introspective. You're about to. Like a lot of people. Like, so, like my. My first time, you know, all the very first thing that happened, I put my eye mask on and laid down, and I was front row of a movie theater watching a movie screen, and I watched every violent act of my life, from, like, pushing my little cousin down when I was a child up to killing people.

[A]

Like, it does it. And fast forward, kind of like repressed memories come forward.

[B]

They can. Yeah, yeah. But you're going to deal with it. It's not the medicine. We always say the medicine is going to give you what you need, maybe not what you want.

[A]

Like the neuropathway situation.

[B]

So on a physiological level, yes, you're. So that's where ibogaine is also extremely unique. So you know what. How addiction works? Like the addiction receptors.

[A]

No, I'm still confused by all of that, to be honest.

[B]

Okay, so I'm. I. I think I might be able to help. Okay, so you have a. You have an addiction receptor. Okay, right now what? Right now they're in the off position. Okay, so you smoke A cigarette that it kicks that addiction receptor on. All right? So obviously your addiction receptors are in your brain, okay? So that addiction receptor likes it. So it tells your body to feel good when you're taking in that nicotine. And this goes for alcohol, cocaine, Cocaine, etc. So it tells your body to feel good and that makes you consume the nicotine again. Right? Because it feels good. Now when you're like, this might not be good for me. I'm going to stop.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Well, that receptor, you just made it angry. That receptor wants that nicotine. It doesn't care what you want. That receptor wants it. So it's going to give you a headache, it's going to make you angry, it's going to mess. Unbalance your brain until you give it what it wants. Okay? So with physical addiction, right, when that receptor is kicked, opioids, it's on and it's next level. Okay? That's the. That's that one in the booze one are the worst ones. Ibogaine goes in with one flood dose, turns it off.

[A]

We need to go.

[B]

They can sign me up. You can. They. They've brought people off of heroin. One with zero withdrawals. It's incredible.

[A]

I smoked a cigarette when I was nine. And I hated it.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Nothing about that made me want to. I don't know if my addiction receptors are not working my whole life. My mom's an addict and an alcoholic, but I started smoking cigarettes when I was nine and I hated every minute of it and I still hate it. So I don't know. Like, that analogy was really helpful because I would assume that some people's brains probably keep that up. And then maybe for me specifically, I look for dopamine, but I think my addiction receptors don't work.

[B]

Well, the. The dopamine receptor, that's a. It's kind of like an addiction receptor. You can get addicted to dopamine. Oh. That's what most drugs released extreme amounts of, dopamine, meth, mdma, which has a kind of a molecule.

[A]

I'm on Adderall.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

I'm. I'm on Adderall.

[B]

Are you. That's one molecule away from meth, actually.

[A]

Yeah. I say I always call it medicated.

[B]

I've never heard that, but I love it, so. Oh, but, but I mean, if it works for you, that's awesome. Yeah, I don't. You know, once again, I mean, it's a. It's a stimulant. I'm sure it matters, you know, the amounts and all that. You know, I was around a young lady. I did not date her. Let's say that right now.

[A]

I don't know what he's about to say that he needs to make that.

[B]

She was on 90 milligrams a day.

[A]

90 is crazy. 90. I'm on 15. Okay. So you go and you do this and you feel good.

[B]

Well, the journey can be rough. Rough.

[A]

The journey. Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In. In the mental. Like a mental way, or do you mean like.

[B]

I mean, I'm. I'm what they call a purger, so I. I throw up a lot.

[A]

Okay. I've seen that. I watched a documentary on ashwagandha. I think it was ashwagandha and ayahuasca, and that was part of it. Like, when some people go to do that, they throw up and they purge and things like that.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

Okay, but does it hurt?

[B]

No. I mean, it can be uncomfortable, but, like. So, look, this is the way I see that. You know, my. My best friend, man, Ryan Davis, I told you about, he's a triple amputee. Hemopol vector it only has half a hip. He got blown up in 2019. You know, was on the ground bleeding out for three hours before they got the man to the operating table.

[A]

Where did he get blown up at in 2000? In 2019?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. We were rangers. We never stopped banging.

[A]

That's literally like six years ago. But I didn't know it was still ex. Like, I didn't know we were fighting with explosives in 2019.

[B]

We had over. Nobody died that deployment, but we had 30 or 40 casualties. Right. And right here in Savannah in 1st Ranger Battalion. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I thought that the most, like, the war that we just ended. Just ended. I thought it was more of, like, a verbal argument.

[B]

To me, it can be Ranger. Ranger battalion has killed and captured more people than anybody in the history of the world.

[A]

So we're talking just six years ago he got blown.

[B]

Yeah, he was banging it out, man. Yeah.

[A]

No, no, because I, I'm. I'm not being funny. Like, I, I, I don't think that half of America realizes that there were still people being blown up six years ago.

[B]

No, they don't. They don't.

[A]

So did your friend, you said he was a paraplegic? Quadriplegic.

[B]

Oh, triple amputee.

[A]

Triple amputee.

[B]

So he is lost. All this is gone. Hip, this whole leg gone. Kn. Below the knee and then to here. He's got his left arm.

[A]

Did he go with you to Tiana

[B]

to do this the second time? I went, he went, he went. It got rid of his chronic pain.

[A]

It really did.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know where he's at with it today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He wants to. I'm hoping, I'm hoping he goes back again. You know some people, most, most people only go once. It's usually a one and done. To me once again it's a journey. I also get better each time I do it. My body improves. I used to not be able to run without being in extreme pain. I can go on jogs now.

[A]

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[B]

Because you said now I wouldn't be here. So another thing. So this is an interesting thing. Another thing ibogaine does is it removes scar tissue from the brain. This has been proven by standards Stanford University. This isn't just gunfighter hippie stuff. So it removes scar tissue from the brain. Okay. And then you know what gray matter is? Yeah, it, it, it grows gray matter. It also reverse ages the brain an average of 1.33 years per flood dose.

[A]

I have to do that because one of my biggest fears is Alzheimer's. My grandmother had early onset dementia and it, I don't, we don't have to talk about it, but sounds like I need that. I have to go there.

[B]

They haven't proven that it prevents dementia clinically, but in theory. Because it grows gray man.

[A]

Well, I think because my. If you ask anyone that knows me, you, I. You could have a conversation with me yesterday and I have no recollection of it. You could not convince me that we had this conversation. But I will believe you because you're saying we had that conversation, but I have no memory of it. I will almost argue and say that never happened.

[B]

There's a 76 chance that you will no longer take Adderall after you leave ambio life sciences. So I think it's 76. Call it 70. We'll say 70 in case I just made 76. No, but like it is. It's like 70. It's over. 70% of people don't go back on their meds after they leave. One out of three people, 30, 30% of people don't even have a psychedelic experience. I took a buddy of mine who was prescribed opioids for 22 years by the VA. He never had an experience and it completely changed his life. Dj.

[A]

Dj. Oh, dj.

[B]

Yes. Gosh, I'm like sitting here like, yeah, dj, that's him. So he was there the second time too, with my buddy Ryan.

[A]

You have another suicidal ideation on this boat. You decide you're gonna go to Tijuana and do this experience and it changed your life the first time you did it immediately.

[B]

And that's how I started running the non profit full time. Right. So after this, this night, you know, I'm purging and like when you get up to go to like pee, you need help walking because you're shaking. You don't know you're shaking. Like you feel like you can walk, but you can'. So like you have to do like arm and arm. Like they hold here and you hold their forearms. You do like baby steps. Okay. So you go through this the whole night. And then like with me, I always, it always kicks in with me before everybody else and I always come out first.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like my body just chew stuff up and spits it out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so like the next morning I wake up. You know, I was a two pack a day smoker. I was abusing Molly, I was abusing mushrooms, which is. Yes, you can do that. That. I was abusing marijuana. I was abusing Xanax.

[A]

But sober from alcohol.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sober from alcohol. And then.

[A]

And trying to run your business.

[B]

Oh, and I was, I was killing it. That's what was so bad. I was high. I was so high functioning.

[A]

High functioning. Would you have, would you consider yourself an addict at that time?

[B]

I mean, by definition, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, by definition, okay.

[A]

So by definition you were an addict at that time. But then you go do this trip and you have a journey and then you come back and you're fine.

[B]

Yeah. So, you know, you wake up that next morning, you're like, I want us coffee and a cigarette. And I was like, why does that sound gross? And you're growing like you're still in the medicine a little bit. Like you're, you're. I mean, some people are intoxicated for 24, 48 hours. You're just not in the journey.

[A]

Are they making sure you have water during the.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're, you're, they're, you're monitored. There's medical people. Like, you're good.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's the safest thing not say, they've taken. It's very safe.

[A]

Okay. Because you're, you're being monitored.

[B]

I have never. And the only people I've ever heard of passing away on it are coming off of fentanyl.

[A]

What the.

[B]

Do you see what I'm saying though? So like, okay, like if you say like ibogaine, you know, could have done something to somebody at a facility, like, okay. Or was it the fentanyl coming off like, come on, man. Like you're going to have things happen, right? Yeah, but yeah, as far as, like, because you, you send an EKG in all your labs and stuff before you go, they piss test you when you

[A]

get there so they know what you're on, they know what to expect, they know how to treat you, you can't

[B]

be on alcohol, you have to be off ssri. I think you can be. Might be able to go on Aderall, but they ask you to lower it down. Maybe I don't remember that. I can't. I don't remember. But you have to be off benzos because it'll interact with the medicine, could be bad.

[A]

So when you get home, what's different for you? Do you start to feel something inside like you you described?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You know, if you could have verbally stated what your dream life was, you were living it, but you felt nothing inside. When you get back from first trip to Tiana and that journey that you started experiencing, do you feel like you came back with a new sense of p. Purpose? Do you feel like you felt something? You started to feel something?

[B]

Yeah. So when I took the 5 Meo DMT after the I again, it's like a 10, 15 minute outof body experience. They call it the bliss molecule or the God molecule. It's. You basically feel like you're laying in Jesus's lap. So I, you break through, you come back. I had this crazy, you know, I've done that medicine like 80 some odd times or whatever and I've. Each time has been different. Nothing has been remotely close to this. I actually had like a crystal clear vision of like a Mayan empire, right? And I see like the civilians and like the warrior class, like intermingling and they're leading together and it's this harmonious existence and. And I'm like, what am I looking at? And I heard my buddies, my main sponsor, my best civilian friend, and he, he had, he told me one time and he was like, he's like, you're building something special here, you know, you're building an empire. And at the time he said that, I thought he meant like a financial thing or something, was like, whatever. No, he meant of people, of these guys we were helping these warriors. So I take my eye mask off, I'm on this cliff overlooking the Pacific, and I look at the guy who gave me the 5 Meo DMT, Trevor Miller, the owner, and I'm like, why did I ever want to die? So I'm crying and I'm like, I've. I gotta quit my job. Job. I know what I'm supposed to do. So I went home and I immediately shut down. What was my purpose? I shut down the thing that saved me, my charter business. And I decided to help people full time. And everybody thought I was crazy. You know, my people closest to me because you get on the plane and you're this route up. Angry dude, confrontational, chain smoking. Two packs a day of Newports. Like, I can go down the laundry list, right? And then you get off the plane and you're like, hey, guys, I'm Jimmy. I'm happy now, so this is cool. I've never felt this, you know, I'd never felt internal happiness. I'd never felt happiness for no reason, right? And I had that now. And then I was like, hey, guys, so we're gonna. We're gonna shut down the business, and now we're gonna help people.

[A]

Why not just give the business, like, let somebody else run it?

[B]

Because you had the boat. You paid the.

[A]

You paid for the boat.

[B]

I live my life now. And this may sound crazy, especially if you guys ever get to know me, because, you know, I cuss us. I admit, I like killing bad guys.

[A]

You take drugs?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, call it what it is, man. You know, I'm a little rough around the edges. I live my life how I believe. God is telling me to live my life. And in that moment, when I took that 5 Meo DMT, he told me to drop everything and get to work on that, and that's what I did. And I think everybody kind of thought it was crazy, you know, that was April, the week of April 20th. That happened three years. And. And it was they were like. Because they were asking me, like, why aren't you. Why don't you just run a few charters? I was like, I'm not supposed to. And they're like, why? I'm like, I don't know. I was like, I don't have the answer. I'm like, God, I know I'm not supposed to take it up with God.

[A]

You know, that. That sounds crazy.

[B]

I know that sounds crazy.

[A]

If someone said that to me, God told me I'm not supposed to, I would be like,

[B]

okay, yeah, no, that's okay. Yeah.

[A]

But that's what you went through.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not judging you. I don't think people will think that 100%.

[B]

And that's okay.

[A]

Okay. And so you just did it.

[B]

Yeah. And then what's funny, you know, for people that may think that's crazy, because I didn't even know why.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then that was April 23rd. Then I get a phone call on June. June 4th. Okay.

[A]

Same year.

[B]

Yeah. Right. Less than. What is that? Less than 60 days? Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Get a phone call, unrecognized call. I just gotten off the road with my buddy Ryan we had visited the mother of the. The. We renamed our first white shark Christopher Shane. Right. The guy that's t on my arm here. And we had visited his mom. Very emotional visit, you know, So I took a nap, was going to the gym. Phone rings, I'm walking out on the porch. I'm like, who is this? It's like, hello. He's like, is this Jimmy? And I'm like, yeah, right? And he's like, is this. Is this Eric Cox's ranger buddy? I was like, yeah. He was like, he always said you're the most reliable guy he knows. I'm thinking he's going to ask for

[A]

money or something, which, no offense, Jimmy, don't take offense to this, but that's a wild statement to make that you are the most reliable guy after everything that we have just heard.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That's a wild statement.

[B]

I know, I know. I'm not saying he's right. I'm just really in the story here.

[A]

No, I know, I know. But I'm like, okay, you know, so.

[B]

And.

[A]

And having some struggles, but you're reliable, which is a great thing to. It's a great quality to have.

[B]

I'm very. And I'm loyal and I. And that's. That's what that you're like.

[A]

It doesn't matter how I up. I am. I'm loyal and I'm reliable. So, like, you're high functioning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Through all of this.

[B]

Very high functioning. Well, and I'm clean at this point. This is after I began. So I'm like, I'm good to go, you know?

[A]

But it sounds like they thought you were reliable even when you were in the trenches.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was still not drinking. As long as alcohol's not in the picture. I'm 100. I'm on. I'm on.

[A]

So even if you're doing Molly or Xanax or any of the other things, you're still reliable, you're still loyal?

[B]

Oh, 110%.

[A]

That's not. That's not easy to come by.

[B]

And honestly, if, like even that, like, if I took half of those things, like, I could sit here and do this interview just like this. Yeah. I've been on live TV on Molly before. Doing an interview. No,

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[A]

I love you so much. This is. You're like one of the coolest people I have ever talked to in my whole life. Means a lot coming from you. So fascinating and cool, like, because I just. I do feel like so many people could learn so many things from you and all of your experiences. And, like, I think you're kind of like stripping away stigmas to various different things. It's not the vet and the war and the politics and the, like, it's a lot of things that you're sort of trying to peel back those stigmas.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's silly, man. Like, I, I don't. I don't get it. Like, we're all human. All things. Like, things happen. Right. Like, life happens. Right.

[A]

But I think you have to experience it to have that perspective. And I think so many people that are placing the stigmas are the people that have not experienced it, but you've sort of literally experienced all of it.

[B]

Yeah. You know, you Know, I told you, like, and I. It probably sounded like a joke, but, you know, we. I part time sold cocaine when I was a kid. That's a lifest. And then, you know, I have, I've gone into people's houses and, you know, taken life with their friend, with my friends, and you know, liberated sex slaves with my buddies. Like, you know, almost overdosed, almost died of withdrawals. Like, and, and the thing is. And like, this is what I try to explain to people and like vets I meet and even civilians that I talk to anybody. This is for everybody, right? Like, I think a lot of people you see with these stories, a lot of times they're like real famous people and stuff, right? And it's almost a very. It feels like a very unobtainable thing. You know, I remember when I was going through it as a vet, you know, you'd see these other vets or you know, this person that went through addiction and you're like, well, yeah, dude, you got endless money. You got this. And you're just special. And dude, I'm. I am, I am just a dude. I'm special in the way God made me. Just like you're special in the way God made you. But as far as me being more special than somebody else or having more of an ability to do these things that I'm doing, like, that's not true. Like, I am a perfect example of like, if I can do it, anybody can. And I'm. It's. It's a fact, man. It takes work, it takes like a support system. But you know, a lot of. There's a grassroots organizations out there, like mine, that take this stuff very seriously, man. You go to these psychedelic facilities, the ones that I go to, and they take care of you, like family. Family. And like when you have those helps and you have. All you have to have is the desire, man. And I don't think people realize that and I don't think a lot of people. I think it's forgotten, right? Because it's proven now that our attention span as a society is actually lower than a goldfish. And it was higher as a. Higher than a goldfish is just five years ago. So I think people have lost what desire is and they're just like, well, I want to be sober. No, you don't want to be sober. You want the benefits of being sober, right? Just like, people are like, well, I want to go on vacations and I want to live this kind of life, but you don't want to do the hustle. It takes to get that kind of

[A]

life, period, that part, right?

[B]

So. And it's. It's the same thing in a healing journey, man. If you want it band, you got to work for it, right? So it's like, just. Just put it in, you know? And this. That guy that called me, that's what he was like. He was like, yo, bro, this dude, the Eric, you know, I was on my 2009 deployment with Eric. So Eric took his back. He broke his back on a jump, took his back brace off early so he could deploy because he didn't want to lose his job. So, you know, since deployed with a broken back. And that was that 09 deployment. The one told you is on History Channel, right? So we're getting in gunfights, crazy missions, we lose guys. It was a real rough deployment with losses. 2010, Eric is a sniper. They go to do this mission that. I'm going to say it because I don't care. That they shouldn't have been doing. And they get ambushed. Daytime. There's two things Rangers are afraid of. Daylight and the cold. Like, we like the dark.

[A]

Dark.

[B]

We operate in the dark. We're very good in the dark. That is home. Yeah, the darkness is our home in

[A]

a lot of ways, figuratively and literally, right?

[B]

So they get in this ambush, and Eric's a sniper at the time. He's covering down the rear of the formation. He has this, like, SEAL Team six guy with him with some Afghan soldiers, right? The Afghan guys are, like, not shooting back because that's what they do. And they're, like, freaking out, praying, and it's pure chaos. Bad things are happening. Already lost one guy, the SEALS interpreter gets hit. He's like, I gotta go get this guy. And Eric's like. He's like, you gotta stay here. You're not supposed to ever be by yourself. He's like, you gotta stay here and lock down the rear so we don't get overrun. He's like, okay, send the first group of guys. Send one back to me. The SEAL never sent a guy back. They moved out without Eric. Eric realized they left, takes a knee. Me, all the hair stands up, ear starts ringing, looks over his shoulder. There's tally ban creeping up on him. Maroon man dress, AK47. Eric gets up. Sniper rifles are heavy. Not really good for close engagements. This is inside 50ft, heavy wooded terrain. They start slugging it out. Pow, pow, pow. Right? AK versus sniper rifle. One on one, Taliban dude falls down, right? Eric's like, I hit him. You're not supposed to Be by yourself. That dude ain't by himself. So Eric starts running. Eric takes off running. Looks to back to where homie was to make sure his homies. That guy's homies weren't following him. Never hears the shot. Gets shot in the face.

[A]

Survives ping.

[B]

Doesn't even knock him off his feet. He had a choice to go down a goat trail or run off the side of the mountain. He chose the mountain. Tumbles head, feet, head feet, 300ft. Loses his gun, this, that, and the other. Somehow lands on his feet. Dies in his thorn book bush. Dies, dives, dives like. Sorry. Dives into this thorn bush, right? So jaws hanging off, right? He's like trying to assess himself. He's like. And then realizes, like, everything's like jacked up. He looks down, blood pours all over him. So he gets. He has a radio. He get on a radio because he didn't have time. By the time he realized they were leaving before he could radio anybody, he's in a gunfight. So he's like, you know, gurgling on the radio. And they're in a gunfight down the way.

[A]

They probably don't even hear him.

[B]

No, they heard him because we have headphones and so we. Oh, yeah, yeah, you can hear. We have push to talk, so we can actually talk to you. We talk at the same time while we're fighting. Yeah, yeah, we're pretty. We're pretty good at what we do. Like, when I'm not. It's not an ego thing. When I say we're the best in the world at what we do. Like, that's a. That's 100. Yes, yes, ma'. Am. That's a fact. I mean, we train on it non stop. So Eric is calls them, and they're like, which way did you. He's like, they're like, where are you? He's like, well, they didn't give snipers garments back then. He's like, they're like, give us a grid. He's like, I want no garments sermon. And they're like, oh, my God. He's like, which way did you go? They're like, north.

[A]

Well, that's off a mountain north.

[B]

North is very big. When you do land navigations, A compass is 360 degrees. You're supposed to give an azimuth. So you're supposed to say, I don't

[A]

know how to read a compass, Jimmy.

[B]

That's fair. That's fair. Well, so it would be. And imagine. So if I give you an azimuth, you can find that tiny little tree in the middle of the woods. If you say north, north is this way way. And Eric had to go over 400 meters, which is over a quarter mile on the worst terrain in the world and the thickest stuff you could imagine.

[A]

Did they find him?

[B]

He found them. He was bounding to. He was going through the woods, having outof body experiences, watching himself run. And his wife was pregnant. He gets up to him, radios, he sees him. He's like, hey, I'm coming up from this side. Don't shoot. He's running up. One of the homies goes up, throws him down on his face. Lights up two dudes that were about to capture shrimp. Yeah. So then they get up and then they call danger close support by fire. So they're dropping these giant bombs in a danger close proximity. So you're laying down undercover and your body comes up off the ground from the impact and. Yeah, and it rattles everything. So then they put him on the medevac and he's loaded next to his dead best friend that was just killed. So this guy had. Saw. I'd seen Eric one time face to face and that third. Thirteen years or whatever it was. Yeah, 13 years. And he was a shell. I saw him two years before that and he was a shell of a man. He came fishing with me one day. He was overweight, alcoholic, on the.

[A]

Sort of dealing with the same like script dead inside.

[B]

It's a script. We all. It's. It's literally like a script. And so this guy hit me up and I'm like, yeah. And he was like, eric's in jail.

[A]

And I'm like, like jail? Yeah.

[B]

Eric's not a. He's a great guy. He's like one of the. I call him one of my. One of the sweet rangers. There was three guys I called sweet rangers because to me they were so. Didn't know how they did their job. And they were all absolute savages. And two of them are dead. One died in a training accident. One, Chris Ethan died.

[A]

You can die in training.

[B]

Oh, God, yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're jumping out of airplane. We're parachuting, we're jumping out, we're blowing stuff up. We're doing live fires, we're shooting over each other's shoulders.

[A]

So you're basically practicing war all the time. Literally practicing.

[B]

Yeah, non stop.

[A]

No, but I. Again, I. I don't think Americans know that.

[B]

Yeah, it's a.

[A]

It's a life with two military men and. And I never knew that.

[B]

Yeah. Ranger regiment's a Whole another level man. Like it is like you're dealing with the tip of the spear Elite. Like you're the only place you go after that is Delta Force in another organization. And that's not correct. Action.

[A]

Correct me if I'm overstepping.

[B]

No, no, you're not at all. Go, please do.

[A]

Would you say that something like that dying in a training accident or do you think that training in general for something like that could cause PTSD in and of itself?

[B]

Elf.

[A]

You're for a ranger, you're practicing with your guy and you accidentally kill your guy in training.

[B]

Oh, well that could. Yes. I thought you meant training without an accident like that. I was like, well I'm sure. I guess it could for some people.

[A]

No, I mean like you're training, you're practicing war and you, you, your, your buddy dies.

[B]

Yeah, I mean anytime you're going to lose somebody like that, like anytime you lose somebody really it's going to have an effect. And you got to keep in mind, you know, most of these guys weren't losing, they're 20 something year olds. Right. They're first guy we lost on that first ranger mission, he was 19 years old, his first mission ever.

[A]

But that's a man's frontal lobe is not even developed by that time.

[B]

Correct. Bingo.

[A]

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[B]

This is something interesting and I've never met anybody that's that's thought about this which granted this is all I think about. Look at where the military recruits from. They're not at a twenty thousand dollar a year private school.

[A]

No. So you're picking people from kind of lower income. Maybe that is a stigma in and of itself too because I always have known, I've grown up around military and I've always known that like the military can be a great option for some people. But I think that the problem lies when we're exploiting or kind of taking advantage of people who don't know what they're getting themselves into.

[B]

Yeah, well see there's so many jobs in the military like I think at this point in the information age I think most people, quote unquote, know what they're getting into. You never know what you're getting into into with, with war if you're in a combat arms job. But like the support jobs, you kind of know now, now the culture and everything, you probably don't know. I don't really know how you would prepare anybody for that. Like, that's hard. Right? But is, is, but why do you

[A]

think they're not recruiting at the $20,000 private school? Because,

[B]

because those kids have a higher income. Right? So let's look at, let's look at what happens with income.

[A]

So taking advantage of, advantage of poor people, essentially, yes.

[B]

When we were, when you brought up like, like race early on, one thing, the, the race things has led me to, since I started looking into that in like 2000, whenever I got beat up. 2010. 2010, what I've really come to notice is, and clearly racism is a real thing. But what I've come to notice is it really is an income thing. Because if you go to like Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee and some of these poorest counties and stuff in the nation and you see all the bad stuff that's happening to the African American community in the bigger cities, you see it happening there and that's the parallel. And now I'm not saying the African American community or whatever isn't going to have more additional issues. Okay? I'm not. But it's an income thing, right? So traditionally lower income families, what do you have more of? You have more divorce, right? That has an effect on mental health because a lot of times you end up in a fatherless household, right? Then you have history of addiction. There's way more addiction and lower income. All right? Typically there's going to be less purpose because of a, you know, you have a broken family, all this mental health issues are way worse, right? So, so what's an easier pick to say? Go stand for something, be bigger for yourself.

[A]

The military.

[B]

Boom. What are they doing now with politics? To everybody, this is the most important fight of your life. Serve. Like what? Like, bro, chill out. It's like, hey, hey, 45 year old dude that hasn't seen his toes in 10 years yelling at the TV screen. Relax, bro. Your ship sailed. You, you getting this rich white dude elected or a rich black dude or a rich brown dude. I don't care, woman, whatever. Like you ain't changing anything. But you know, like that's why it's

[A]

more like a systemic.

[B]

Yeah. And like that's, that's the way I like I see it and you know, as my, you know, as things have evolved with me, as I read things, you know, my psychedelic journey, you know, you get, you get a broader. Your mind opens up a lot. And I really think, I'm not saying completely ignore race stuff, obviously, but I think we need to look at less at that and look at the. Follow the money and the poor people are the ones typically, typically getting oppressed across the board.

[A]

So was Eric the one that was in jail? Was he poor and he started off this, this way?

[B]

Yeah. So like I. That's where I was saying, I think God wants me to do this.

[A]

Didn't when, when you found out that he was in charge.

[B]

Jail, Right. Because he was. Eric said I could talk about whatever I wanted if this came up. So we're going to send it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. Eric's got. Eric's had one of the hardest lifes I've ever heard of. Okay. He's been hungry as a child. He's been without heat. He joined the Rangers, broke his back, shot in the face, nearly captured, ruptured. He speaks very highly of everybody, almost too much, right. And his wife is what I would call that Jimmy would call abusive. When he came back, taking pain pills from him when his, you know, he's got his jaw wired shut and he stayed with her. That was his choice because his life got really bad when his father was out of the picture, right? So. So when he was a young kid, it was ingrained in him. If you keep the family together, everything's okay. Creates a dependency, a very toxic cycle. They get into it like they always do. Eric. Anger, blacks out, rage, ptsd, brain damage, all the above. Whatever you call it. Fires three rounds into a car door. Not at anybody, whatever, right? Not, not justified. It. You can't do that. That. And it's bad, right? Really bad. Comes to inside and is like what's going on? Like SWAT team's calling him, right? Because they know, of course, you know, comes in that there's an army ranger who. Bronze star with metal with valor. You know, Eric went into a room one night and when we were all in this big ass gunfight, killed two dudes immediately. Ran through a hail of gunfire to get there there, killed two dudes immediately. A guy popped up with a suicide vest on with his thumb in the pull string. And Eric shot him in the head six times before the guy could pull the pill string. Like, this dude is a gangster and he's the sweetest, most quietest, nicest human being you'll ever Meet. And his brain broke, man. He didn't get the help he needed, and he takes the blame for the stuff that was his fault.

[A]

Is she. Is he still in prison?

[B]

No. No. So I. I went and bailed him out. He had. I didn't know. The guy didn't know anything. He just knew that he was arrested. So I called an attorney for. Friend of mine. I'm surrounded by a bunch of.

[A]

Did he kill someone?

[B]

No, no. It didn't hit anybody, didn't shoot anybody's empty car. I call it the ranger equivalent of punching the wall.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Bad. It's a bad joke, but kind of, right? Like, yeah, he. It was. That's all he was doing because like, I asked. I talked to his wife after it happened before I talked to Eric, and I said, you need to tell me exactly what happened. I'm sorry, but I need to know step for step, because she wanted him to get help and stuff. And I was like, I can do that. And I was like. And I said. I was like, did he follow it? She was like, yeah, I think he thought I was in the car. I said, did he follow his shots? She said, what do you mean? I said, did he shoot to the car, keep his gun pointed at the car and go to the car? She said, no. I said, good. She said, what? I said, we. We always follow our sharks shots. And after we kill somebody, we shoot him in the head to make sure they're dead. If we didn't shoot them in the head, the first one place.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because people will play dead and then kill you. So if you can't see the inside of the head, open up the head, you know they're dead, right?

[A]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, if you're walking around, like when we were walking through that terrace training camp, and there's, you know, bodies all over the place, literally. And, like, there's a dude and he's laying there and he. His head's intact. You make it not intact anymore.

[A]

But he didn't do that.

[B]

No. So that told me. That told me he was not trying to do anybody.

[A]

He was in.

[B]

Because he was in autopilot. His brain broke. But if your brain breaks, you're doing everything training does, right? So if he followed him, that tells me I need to leave him where he's at and go from there. Not following him. His brain just simply broke, man. So I call an attorney friend of mine. She gets there, there. We find out where he's at. 75, 000 bail. I called my. My Inner circle, I get. Because you only have to pay 10 in South Carolina, so I do 7, 500 bucks. I put my house up for collateral.

[A]

You put your house up for collateral for your guy?

[B]

Yeah. Dude I'd seen once in 13 years.

[A]

So when they say you're loyal and you are reliable, you're. They mean that?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. That's not a. That's everything that me and I moved him in, and, you know, I. I sat down with my counselor at the time. My attorney scheduled a visit with him, so it was, you know, just us. And, like, popped open the laptop, and there I am. I was like, what's up, Ranger buddy? And he's like, Jimmy.

[A]

He's like, he didn't know you did that?

[B]

No. He had no idea any of this was going on. And he was like, what's going on? I was like, I'm getting out of there, buddy. He was like, what are you talking about? And he had nowhere to go. He was homeless. He's literally homeless. This guy's family isn't getting him, obviously. His wife's not, and she shouldn't have, but his immediate family, nothing.

[A]

So now you want to help people?

[B]

Yeah. So I got him in there and, like, I was like, listen, man. You gotta listen to me when you move in, like, this mental health thing, like, I've learned a lot. I've learned what not to do. I've learned what to do. I'm getting you an internal attorney. You ain't worrying about, all right? You just listen to what I say. And he was like. He's like, roger that, bud.

[A]

Did he listen?

[B]

Yeah, he did. Yeah. So he's gotten his. Like, we're two years past that, or almost. Well, almost three years past that, and he's got his kids back. He hasn't gone to ibogaine yet, and he's already doing great, so. And he's still on an ssri, but he's on a low dose. So we're going to get him off that before we go. And then that's really going to. Well, not complete. Your healing journey is never complete, but that's really going to start bringing things into. Into perspective even more for him. But he still lives with me. Yeah. Yeah, so he still does. You know, my goal is, like, we struggle in finances like any grassroot nonprofit, but I'm trying to put an addition on my house. You know, I got a SEAL Team six guy that's getting ready to move in with me, and we're going to be at Max Capacity, right? I just had a guy stand with me that's facing charges in la. If he doesn't go to prison, he's moving in with me. We're out of room. But like, like, nobody else is doing anything, man. Like, yeah, and like, it's like, what do you do? You know? And. And that was clearly why God was telling me not to work. Right? Because, Eric, I couldn't have worked having him there. That was a 247job, dude. You know all these programs and. Right. Like, you take a guy was shot in the face and almost captured, and you want him to. You want him to go to a. A civilian, like maybe an inpatient place or the va where they just pump, pumping you up with drugs. Like, get out of town, boss. Like, you want him to go to counseling. One hour a week.

[A]

That's not gonna combat any thing like, you're dealing with.

[B]

You're dealing with, like, childhood trauma that I can't imagine. You're dealing with war trauma that I can't imagine. You're dealing with a man that was shot in the face, left alone by the unit, who doesn't leave anybody behind. And then we go in and get other people's dead bodies and he gets left. Then he gets loaded next to his dead best friend.

[A]

Friend.

[B]

And then you just. You want to give him some pills in an hour, a week of counseling? That's. That's the solution. Throwing. Throwing. Just throwing money at these pointless organizations. I mean, hell, man, we got. And I'm not saying they do no good. They do do something good. But we got Wounded Warrior that has lobbyists for Congress getting millions and millions. You don't even have to be a veteran to be a member of Wounded Warrior. And guess what? You don't have to be wounded either. Oh, spoiler alert. You don't ever have to have gone to combat. You can be a family member of a active duty or veteran and join Wounded Warrior program and get the benefits. Yeah, while.

[A]

While.

[B]

While we're out here and I'm out here doing everything I can, shooting from the hip, learning just to try to make a boat run, to try to get a couple people. You know, I, I depleted pretty much our account count in November because I was told by people that I thought I could count on with it. Business people. These aren't just random people. Like, I'm. I didn't fall off the last boat, right? And you know, I, I never count on money until I see it. But these people, I was all like, oh, I ain't worried. About them. I was told I was getting 29000 between these. These number of people. And so I spent over 20 grand getting guys to the ibogaine. Don't regret it at all. But you know, now I'm hustling trying to keep everything running and going and then I look at an organization over here like Wounded Warrior. I mean a gas station chain in town worth probably hundreds of millions is, is called Parker's in Savannah. Awesome store. Love the store. This guy's been putting himself all over the news saying I'm supporting local veterans by donating all this money to Wounded Warrior. That's not a local charity, bro. Like I'm over here trying to. What's that?

[A]

It's not going into the pockets of the people who need it. It's going into pad the pockets of the people who run those organizations.

[B]

Unfortunately 110% the average.

[A]

Average.

[B]

The average salary. And I'm all for you getting paid if you're. I hope to get paid eventually at my non profit because what I'm doing is not sustainable.

[A]

The, the idea though behind it is not to make them millionaires, right? Like no.

[B]

And your average salary at an organization like that should not be a hundred and seven thousand dollars a year. And that's the average salary. And you're talking a non profit. Yes. This isn't the CEO making that. This is like people that aren't. I mean it's, it's a mess man. It is an absolute mess. Like, and as much as I hate politics, thank God I've made friends with like a politician who's also a vet that's also a good human and you know, like I'm trying to broaden my horizons a little bit and try to figure out like what we can do because you know what? The VA has had 20 years to show us what they can do with mental health, man. They do a lot of good things. They do some things that are good. I don't know their mental health, the mental health. They're not.

[A]

No, I would agree because my ex who is a veteran and goes to the va. I mean they're offering him counseling once every two weeks.

[B]

It's a miracle you can get in. I had a girl go in and tell them she's having suicidal idealations. They gave her an appointment for four months away.

[A]

Yeah, sounds about.

[B]

I went and asked if she needed anything to take in the meantime. Yeah, not. Hey, do you need to sit down? Let's talk about your prescription options. What do you want?

[A]

Yep, that the same thing. Happened to my ex. I mean you walk into his area and I mean we're talking 20, 30 prescriptions, bro.

[B]

I would, I, I, I had to dodge the police when I was freaking slinging drugs. And these just get to sling them to us and then get bonuses for it. And oh yeah, we're supposed to thank them for their tremendous care. And you know what? Like, and we can about it all day. Like I'm done bitching about it with them. I'm just like, hey, I can do better with that money. You know what I'm saying? Like, like if I have like these guys. What we're doing is working you not

[A]

lucky Lucky non profit. And do you, are you doing charters now again or.

[B]

No, we're getting ready to start back up because of the, because it is hard because like you know, I'm, I, I'm not going to stop doing less good. I, you know, I, I can't. So we needed to figure out something like if I just wanted to take vets fishing and active duty, we would be just fine.

[A]

Yeah, but there, it's, there's more work.

[B]

There's more to be done, man. And when I saw what happened with Aaron, Eric, moving somebody in, showing them love. Listening, right? Keyword listening, providing guidance, having hard conversations that worked. You're talking a father, you're talking three boys that would have never seen their father again.

[A]

But you're talking about your, you essentially did. We're doing the 247 care for that. Like that's not a one hour a week therapy and a couple drugs to help you out. Like that's, that's full time care to get him where he needs to be.

[B]

Yes, yes. And like the boat's incorporated. Right. Everything's purpose.

[A]

So my, my point in asking that is that not lucky, both the, the charter and the nonprofit is to do more of that. Right. Like you want to create.

[B]

That's all I want to do.

[A]

Okay. So that's what I, I just wanted to clarify for the listeners. They can understand what not lucky is. So for people like me, I'm not a veteran, but I want to go see what you are doing. So can people who are not veterans go on a charter? Can they donate to not lucky? Can they be this to help the greater cause?

[B]

So we're going to be able to start taking people on paid charters again. It should be by this summer, summer 26.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's the game plan. It's going to depend on paperwork. You know how that goes. Because we got to get government stuff done. They they cannot come on the nonprofit charters right now. We're, we're talking about working some things there as far as donating. They can go to notlucky.org okay. There's a donate page there. There's a shop page. We got these, these awesome shirts. Yeah. We got like a tie dyed shirt with my face. It says psychedelic fisherman and feeling the vibe and all this.

[A]

Okay. And so then people can. Because I think we were talking about maybe going in August with you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So we're going to go, we're going to do that. We're going to see what it's about, we're going to film it. I want to put it everywhere. And then that money will go directly into helping actual people in real. Not padding the pockets of an organization, but rather going directly to the corporate cause.

[B]

Yes, ma'. Am. So I'm, I'm a oneman show right now. Like I have support, but like I do everything. I'm the, I'm unfortunately the face. Like I, I tried early on to get, get my buddy Ryan to be the face, so I could just do the, the nitty gritty stuff. But, you know, I'm the face. I'm the fundraiser. I'm the marketer.

[A]

Like, you're doing it all.

[B]

I do, I manage all eight social media pages. I answer emails. You know, this morning while I was doing my cardio, I had, I had 62 text messages to answer from last night.

[A]

Full disclosure. When I found out about Jimmy, I just cold called him. Just literally in this chair, in this house. I just cold called him, left him a message. Hey, Jimmy, I got your contact from so and so. You know, I just was interested in what you're doing and he called me right back. Like you called me right back. So I thought that was pretty cool. I mean, he's a one man show, but. And it's all based out of where. Where is the charter boat? Where is the. Like, where can people go if they're.

[B]

Or where.

[A]

Where do the charter boats go so people know what they're signing up for.

[B]

So you're. We leave out of Savannah, Georgia.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So if you visit Savannah, hit us up. We're easy to find online, not lucky. And then Jimmy Lee Armel on Facebook.

[A]

And then I walked into this room before we started recording to a conversation about drama. Mean. So don't let seasickness scare you from doing something like this because Jimmy has informed us that you start taking Dramamine three days before you go out in the water, which I did not know. So I've done plenty of shark dives in Hawaii just for fun. I didn't tag them. I didn't. I was just watching like looking at them. I did cage free shark dives and I was obsessed. Like I, to this day I still talk about it. My, it took my son to do one cage free. It was amazing. Anyway, I say all that to say that sharks are incredible, incredible creatures. And you can. I got seasick because once you anchor the boat down and I wanted to get in the water, the waiting period from anchoring and then getting in the water and then getting out of the water before you take off, I'm just sick. The boat is rocking and I'm just nauseous. Nauseous. Nauseous, you're saying? Take the Dramamine. Starting three days before, two before you

[B]

go to bed every night. Three days before a half one to hold one the morning of. It'll build up in your system like an antibiotic.

[A]

Okay. And then you can go out deep sea and not really get seasick.

[B]

Yep. And it'll help mitigate the drowsinesses as well.

[A]

And then when you guys are going out, it's not just shark tagging, it's multiple things. Right.

[B]

When we, during the winter we tag the great white sharks. That's all we do now the rest of the year we're chasing kingfish, cobia, mahi. I mean just go down or throw them back. If the, if the vets want to keep them, we'll keep them. If it's, you know, legal catch. I do like to eat fish. I've gotten very much into just keeping with what I, keeping what I eat personally, you know, I think it's natural for a fisherman. As you progress, you get much more conservation minded. You know, early on you don't know. And you know, I tried to promote that when I was, when I was a charter captain as well. Like hey guys, we don't need to,

[A]

you know, keep every single fish that you catch.

[B]

Now if you're, if you're a big family and I know you're going to use all the meat, we'll kill every legal thing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[B]

But you know, right now from, we, we take trips every once in a while. We did a, a bluefin tuna trip this winter at Outer Banks was not lucky. So we got, I've got probably 150 pounds of bluefin tuna in my freezer right now.

[A]

But you're gonna eat it?

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I eat, I eat that twice a week and yeah, it won't it won't go bad. Not my house. I give it out too. Yeah. Come by.

[A]

Yeah, that's cool, though. Okay, so then how long would be a fishing trip be with you both for the shark tagging and then also just like the deep sea fishing.

[B]

So the, the, the, the white shark tagging is a little bit more serious. Not the vibe on the boat, but we need to make sure you don't get sick before you get on. We're leaving before it's light out, getting back around dark, and it's a grind.

[A]

No, I have to do that though, Jimmy. Like, I have to do it.

[B]

I want to keep. I want to keep this going. You know, the only thing, the only thing slowing us down with that is, is obviously the budget. Okay. Starbright buys the tags. You know, I'm hoping eventually that. My hope is, is that people will start fundraising for just the tag on their own, and then I can foot the bill for, like, fuel and all that.

[A]

But this goes back to our conversation that we were having about, like, the deeper rooted things. Like there's a huge shark problem right now with people killing sharks and not having the knowledge and the awareness around sharks. And in order for people to survive the way that we survive, we need sharks in the ocean. And that is an entire conversation and a whole episode in and of itself. Itself. So that's. It's really important what you're doing, not just for the vets, but also for literally our world.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's really cool how it all works. And if you really look at a white shark, you know, they're. They're born or they're. Excuse me. When they're conceived, they're in the womb with their siblings, and they feed off their siblings. And then once they're born, they're basically by themselves getting beat up, scarred up, going by themselves, trying to find their way. And it's kind of like a vet. Right, Great. You're in this world of violence in this warm, like in this womb. It's your comfort space. All this violence and then you're just out trying to figure out where to go through life. You know, it's kind of a pretty tight correlation there. Both of us are really apex predators. Right. They're the apex predator of the ocean. And if you really look at it like, we're apex predator of the land. You know, the only thing that kills a gunfighter besides, like natural cars is our car accidents. Another gunfighter. It's pretty apex.

[A]

You know, that's a wild thought. So a Couple days at sea for the shark tagging?

[B]

No, we do it well, sometimes we'll do an overnight or so typ, but typically it's about a 12 hour day and then the other trips are like basically whatever they want. You know, if a vet can't get out, we're actually, I got a private donor that's talking about giving, giving us an inshore boat. So for those that get seasick, we'll be able to stay in the rivers and stuff and fish.

[A]

Oh, that would be cool.

[B]

Yeah. And I'll take people over to like the Usky. It's a little island to hang out on if they can't go offshore. I've taken couples on cruises. I've put vets on the boat and we've just gone on a ride. Yeah, there's really, really not much I won't do with the water in a vet. No.

[A]

But I love that. So I wanted to just explain to the listeners and the viewers like what it is that they, what options they have and they can all go to. What's the website?

[B]

Notlucky.org spelled knot the like a knot

[A]

like that you're tying in the Mercury Marine Marina.

[B]

If people would go to the donate page.

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah. Of course.

[B]

If they would go to the donate page on notlucky.org there's a subscription button for. And if you could do like 10 bucks a month, like that's what I'm really looking for is, is, is a steady flow of that coming in, you know. And what I'm looking to do is to cover all the base boat expenses with running for profit charters again. And that's going to give me a lot more money, money that'll be coming in from donors to spend on actual mental health healing, you know, because I'm going on another hayahuascular treat this summer down in the Amazon with Arcana and then I'll be on my yearly trip to Ambio Life Sciences for Ivy Gain in December.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I would love to be able to be in a place to sponsor a couple of vets again. But you know, we really, really, really

[A]

need rely on the donations help.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So, you know, and obviously if you want to do more, that's great, but just something as simple as, you know, $10 a month. I think a lot of people, you know, skip two coffees or have two coffees at home instead of coffees out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and I mean that would just honestly like that would, that would mean the world and, and it means a lot. Like I I share with our regular group because not lucky is not a one time thing. You know, sometimes people come and I fish once and I never see them again. And I always say I got guys that show up and just never go away.

[A]

Oh, that's me when I did one ocean diving in Hawaii with the sharks. I think I've been three times now. Every time I go to Hawaii I have to go do it.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

But like it's for a greater cause and I think a portion of when I, when you pay for that also goes back to like shark conservation of sharks and things like that. I'm not entirely sure, so don't quote me. But yeah, I, I think this is great. And it's also nice to know that the money is going directly to somebody within that immediate, immediate like your, your company for the vets. You know, it's not floating in the abyss of some foundation where you don't know if your donation went directly in the pockets of somebody who works there or if it went directly in the pocket of somebody who needs to reap the benefits of a program.

[B]

And we, we recently started applying for grants. We haven't had any luck yet. But that being said, if there's people out there that do want to donate a little bit larger amount of money or they are a business, we have a packet that we can give them that shows where the money has gone. I think in the last three years. I forget what she put, put it together for but, but we have all that. Okay, so I'm, I, I am very, very transparent. I don't respond to some hater that wants to know where their money goes. But if you're a donor, especially a big donor and you're just genuinely curious because you don't know me and I just sat here and told you I have brain damage and done drugs and sold drugs and done all of the this. So I'd probably be leery of maybe of giving me money at first.

[A]

Well, you understand that though, like you see why someone would ask.

[B]

I know exactly who I am and how, like how I look.

[A]

So, so can you just tell me where people can find you on social media where people can donate one more time and anything else before we go.

[B]

So for socials, Tik tok, Facebook, all of that Jimmy Lee Arml looks like Armel A R M E L so on my personal page you're going to have stuff. Obviously for me there'll be non profit stuff. But I, there's a lot more content on there, a lot more variety Than we have the veteran Facebook page of Not Lucky Veteran fishing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So if anybody would go and like those that would be greatly appreciated. We. We're very active on their post. At least minimum, once a day. Today I put. I've got a little podcast, the Not Lucky podcast that we started doing. We have Eric's story on there.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we have. We have a withdrawal from Afghanistan story I think your listeners, I think, would really like. It's called a Talk with mom on Spotify. Not Lucky podcast. My mom and I sat down for over two hours and we talked about what it was like being my mom through everything that we just talked about. And my mom even heard of me. And I. I was on a satellite phone call with her in Iraq when we started taking machine gun fire. So she was on the phone with me and I was like, mom, I got to go. She's like, are you getting shot at? I was like, yeah. She's like, I love you. Have fun. I was like, love you too. So she's been through it, you know, we talked about. There was no.

[A]

I need to interview her next.

[B]

If you're being serious, she'll do it. Okay.

[A]

No, I literally am, so maybe. But she lives in Virginia, right?

[B]

Yeah, she'll come here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I. She went.

[A]

She also have hippie vibes.

[B]

No. Her license plate says.

[A]

I love that about you, by the way. I'm not making a dig at you.

[B]

I did not take it as.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

No, no, I always. I. I like the term gun fighting hippie, right? It's a. It's a cool little term. That's what I call. I'll call all my buddies. No, she's. She's got a very open mind. We're very much alike. She's very inquisitive, like I am. She's very open, very straightforward. But she's. I don't even know if she's ever been drunk now. Smoked a cigarette, never smoked. She didn't know what pot smelled like. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Has there been a DNA test?

[B]

Once you see her, you'll be like,

[A]

oh, okay, maybe she needed a son like you.

[B]

Ah, you know, there's. There's. I needed a mom like her, man. I mean, God custom made her for me. If it wasn't for her, and I do not say that I would. You've heard enough about me without hearing everything yet. And it's like, I'd be in jail or I'd be in prison or I'd be dead without my mother, plain and simple. Like, I mean, there was nights that I wanted to off myself, and I'd call her. I mean, my mom would be talking to me when I'm blackout drunk on the phone, weeping, telling her stories about Iraq that I probably wouldn't even share on a microphone just because of how bad it is. Right. And, you know, she. She dealt with all that. She dealt with the addiction. She dealt. You know, when I didn't want to see my dad as a child, like, young child. Child. And he was. He had a lot of pool in our town. And she knew she was going to lose that fight, and she still fought. You know, I just can't say enough good things about her.

[A]

Well, I would love to meet her.

[B]

Yeah, if you will. You will. You will. If you want her on this show, she'll come.

[A]

I'll have her on the podcast.

[B]

I promise. She will.

[A]

Okay, well, everyone go follow Not Lucky on social media. We'll post it in the description on my social media so you'll know exactly where to go. And thank you so much for coming on. Barely.

[B]

Thank you, guys. It's been awesome being here.

[A]

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