Grief, Grit & Game: Jemmye Carroll Tells All

Summary

Barely Famous – "Grief, Grit & Game: Jemmye Carroll Tells All"

Host: Kail Lowry
Guest: Jemmye Carroll
Release Date: October 31, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt, candid, and often hilarious episode, Kail Lowry sits down with reality TV veteran Jemmye Carroll to discuss the lasting impact of reality television on their lives. The conversation delves into grief, personal evolution, behind-the-scenes truths of MTV casting, the psychological toll of being in the public eye, and the unique friendships and rivalries formed in the genre. Jemmye offers insight into her journey from "Real World: New Orleans" to "The Challenge," reflects on the loss of her castmate Knight, and shares what it means to set boundaries and shape her own narrative as a woman in reality TV.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Jemmye’s Real World Journey & Early Days of Casting

• Jemmye recounts her spontaneous audition for "Real World" at age 21, driven by friends who saw her star potential (01:21).
  • Quote: "My friends literally made it happen for me." – Jemmye (02:15)
• She reflects on the pressure and freedom of being young and unfiltered on television:
  • Quote: "I knew walking in there that I was gonna embarrass the shit out of my family, but I didn't care." – Jemmye (02:59)

2. Impact of Reality TV on Personal Growth

• Both discuss how reality TV shaped their identities, professional trajectories, and mental health (01:21, 03:20):
  • Jemmye was on a law school path before the Real World. Her professor encouraged her to take the show opportunity, advice she now appreciates (06:09).
  • Kail highlights how uninterrupted filming (like on "Teen Mom") differs from segmented commitments (like "The Challenge") (08:01).

3. Behind-the-Scenes: Money, Fame, and Life Beyond TV

• Kail and Jemmye reveal the inconsistent and surprisingly modest financial gains from reality TV:
  • Quote: "If you're on your tenth season, you're probably bringing home, like, $90k to $100k... then you don't do a show for two years. It's not consistent money." – Jemmye (07:15)
• Jemmye works in healthcare consulting and startup tech, highlighting the need for a "real job" outside TV (06:37).
• The importance (and rarity) of having an exit strategy and real-life stability is stressed (09:20).

4. Grief, Loss, and Protecting Privacy

• One of the episode's most powerful segments centers on Jemmye's grieving process after Knight's sudden death, its public fallout, and her subsequent resolve to protect her private life.
  • Quote: "After he passed... I told myself I will never share a personal relationship online ever again." – Jemmye (16:23)
  • She reflects on the difficulty of people projecting their own narratives onto her grief (“People on the internet telling me, 'I'm so sorry you lost your soulmate.' I’m like, hello, we were broken up for years…” – 16:39).
• Kail relates, discussing blurred lines between authenticity and overexposure in sharing her own relationships (17:09).

5. Gender, Double Standards, and Reputation

• They dissect how men and women are treated differently in reality TV – both by production and fans.
  • Quote: "If a man does something bad, it is... this is so good, that's what men do... women are always punished." – Jemmye (19:19)
• Memorable anecdote: Jemmye’s suitcase-throwing incident and the repercussions compared to male castmates (19:36).
• Ongoing beef between male and female "Challenge" vets – men dismiss women’s complaints as being “angry hens” (23:12).

6. Editing, Control, and the Politics of Storytelling

• Jemmye explains why she feels it’s hard to get a "bad edit" on The Challenge if you keep personal details close, compared to more manipulatable formats like "Teen Mom" (12:28).
• Kail discusses production tricks like “wild lines” and out-of-context editing (12:48).

7. Social Media, Boundaries, and Evolving Green Flags

• Both express fatigue with sharing (and oversharing) personal relations online. Jemmye sees lack of interest in social media as a now-appreciated green flag in romantic partners (17:35).
• Discussion on "putting people on"–the risks of bringing friends or romantic interests into the spotlight, only for it to backfire (17:47, 18:08).

8. Aging Out of the Genre and Next Acts

• Jemmye openly discusses her reasons for stepping away from "The Challenge” after a difficult exit involving a family emergency and production’s slow response (25:49, 26:05).
  • Quote: “I love my father... but if that had been my mother that was sick and I couldn't get home to her, I would have blown that place the fuck up. So now... I think there’s too much PTSD to go back.” – Jemmye (26:52)
• Both explore what shows they’d do next (Jemmye’s dream: "The Traitors," Bravo franchises; 27:39).

9. Favorite Castmates and Reality TV Legends

• Nostalgic shoutouts to legendary women of Real World and The Challenge, such as Coral, Trishelle, and Veronica (28:37).
• The enduring influence and friendships stemming from the genre (28:58).

10. Essays on Motherhood and Choosing a Childfree Life

• Jemmye candidly describes her decision not to have children and society’s response (33:10).
• Kail, with seven kids, expresses her understanding and support (33:29).
  • Quote: "I have seven kids and I understand why people choose to be childless." – Kail (33:29)

11. Rapid-Fire & ‘Ick’ Segment

• The episode wraps with a funny segment rating trendy behaviors as “iconic or ick”:
  • Bows on adult women: “Depends on your tax bracket.” – Jemmy (45:03)
  • Matchy pajamas, over-lined lips, long nails, Crocs with charms, crying on TikTok, and AI baby photos get dissected with characteristic honesty and dry wit (45:28, 46:14, 47:37, 48:14, 50:20).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Edit Control:
  "If you're being a bitch, you're a bitch. They didn't edit me to look like an asshole. I acted like an asshole." – Jemmye (12:48)
• On Grief and Going Private:
  "Moving forward, I will never share my personal life online, and that's a promise I've kept to myself." – Jemmye (17:09)
• On Double Standards:
  "If a man does something bad…that’s what men do… women are always punished." – Jemmye (19:19)
• On Financial Reality:
  "People to this day, like, probably five minutes ago, someone told me, like, get a job. And I'm like, I have a job. I just don't tell you about it. Winner." – Jemmye (06:37)
• On Child-Free Living:
  "It is like what I was meant to do... I just don't want the full time responsibility." – Jemmye (33:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jemmye’s Real World Audition Story: [01:45]–[02:43]
• Impact of Knight’s Passing: [01:21]–[03:20]; deeper at [14:23]–[17:09]
• Money & Jobs in Reality TV: [06:37]–[07:15]
• Double Standards in Reality TV: [19:19]–[20:15]
• Leaving The Challenge & Family Emergencies: [25:49]–[26:52]
• Favorite Reality TV Women: [28:37]–[29:14]
• Decision to Be Child-Free: [33:10]–[34:01]
• Rapid-Fire Ick Segment: [45:03]–[51:05]

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Tone & Style

The conversation is raw, irreverent, and uniquely self-aware—combining survivor’s wisdom with plenty of pop culture shade and Southern bluntness. Both women drop their guard, discussing mental health, TV’s dark side, and nuances of living authentically in the digital age.

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For New Listeners

If you haven’t heard the episode, expect a rapid-fire, wide-ranging, and emotionally honest conversation that pulls back the curtain on reality TV’s glamour and grit. You’ll come away with deeper empathy for its stars, a healthy skepticism for what you see on-screen, and more than a few laugh-out-loud moments.

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Find Jemmye: @Jim_ (Instagram); newly active on TikTok (“I was born a hater, I'm living as a hater, I'll die a hater. And Tick tock is such a good place to get my hate off.” 51:21)

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Recommended Next Episode: Any where Kail brings on a fellow reality TV veteran—the deeper the behind-the-scenes, the better.

Transcript

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[Kayla]

Experian, welcome to the show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kayla, and you're listening to Barely Famous. Happy Friday. Welcome back to Barely Famous podcast. I'm sitting with Jemmy, and this is a long time in the making here. Welcome to Barely Famous.

[Jemmy]

Thank you.

[Kayla]

I'm so happy to have you. So you've been on TV for over a decade. You started on Real World.

[Jemmy]

Yep. Back to New Orleans.

[Kayla]

You're from New Orleans, Grew up in.

[Jemmy]

North Mississippi, so it wasn't far.

[Kayla]

And do you feel like being on TV for as long as you have because we were on TV for roughly the same amount of time has shaped you into who you are today?

[Jemmy]

Absolutely. It literally. I was just talking about this the other day on Tick Tock, like, when night passed, who was on the Real World with me? That his passing changed my trajectory online because of what I experienced so early and so soon at 22 years old and now sitting here at 37. Decisions then have shaped my life up until now.

[Kayla]

How did you get on the Real World?

[Jemmy]

Me and my college girlfriends were just sitting at our apartment, and this was like, back in the day, like, 2009. So a little thing flashed under the TV, like, casting calls. And they're like, we're taking you. And I said, okay, let's go.

[Kayla]

Well, did you have to do an interview?

[Jemmy]

So we drove from Starkville, Mississippi, to Memphis, Tennessee, in the middle of the night because we wanted to be the first people there. And that was, like, a group interview. And I was like, this shit is whack. Like, the first thing they asked you is, like, describe yourself in one word.

[Kayla]

What did you say?

[Jemmy]

Oh, everyone was going around. One girl was, like, fierce. Another girl's, like, bossy. And one guy's like, party. And I'm like, this is lame. I, like, got up to leave and the casting director was like, no, no, stay. And I was like, babe, Tim Tebow's playing in Mississippi State. Like, I gotta be back for the football game. And they, like, dragged me and then they gave you, like, a huge thing of paperwork, and I'm like, I'm not doing that on a Saturday. So one of my girlfriends came in, filled it out for me. Like, my friends literally made it happen for me.

[Kayla]

Yes, but did they also want to be on the show? No.

[Jemmy]

No. They were like, this is for you. Go do it, girl. Yeah.

[Kayla]

And so you ended up doing it. You got casted, and then what? You just got picked to live in a house with seven strangers?

[Jemmy]

Yes.

[Kayla]

And what was that like? I couldn't imagine walking into a house full of seven adults and having to get along with all of them.

[Jemmy]

And this was like, I was freshly 21, like, a party girl. Like, I knew walking in there that I was gonna embarrass the shit out of my family.

[Kayla]

Did you?

[Jemmy]

But I didn't care. Yes, absolutely. But I didn't care. And that's what made, like, OG Real World so authentic is I literally found people. It's like, I don't care what my mother sees or what my dad sees. Like. Like, I'm gonna go live my authentic life.

[Kayla]

Were they gonna watch it? Did they tell you they did?

[Jemmy]

My dad never did.

[Kayla]

Thank God.

[Jemmy]

Thank God. Yes. Thank you, Mom.

[Kayla]

Wait. Reminded. Remind me, who all was in your cast?

[Jemmy]

So I had my then boyfriend who I met on the show, Ryan Knight, who passed.

[Kayla]

Yeah, I knew that.

[Jemmy]

And then we had Preston. We had Ryan, Leslie, Mackenzie Sartin. No offense. No shade, no tea. Like, none of them were actually, like, ever cast on the challenge. Yeah.

[Kayla]

Wait, jumping ahead, how do they cast for the challenge? And why didn't they ever invite teen mom cast members on the challenge? Because we would have whooped ass.

[Jemmy]

It's so funny. Funny. Like, looking at when they decided to change the whole trajectory of the challenge. Like, if y'. All. If they were casting, then it would have been so good. Like, you would have killed the challenge, girl. Like, you and, like, wrestling.

[Kayla]

I used to be crossfit. I could have.

[Jemmy]

No, you would have.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Like, I would not want to go.

[Kayla]

Against maybe not now.

[Jemmy]

So back then, they just essentially casted, like, who's the entertaining people from the current real worlds. And you have to fit into the theme if it's exes, if it's rivals, if it's battle of the season. So you have to fit into whatever theme that is. But then in obvious, I think it was, like, 2017 vendettas was the first time they kind of crossed. They brought some big brother people in. They brought some ex on the beach, UK People in, and the Challenge hasn't been the same since.

[Kayla]

Do you wish that it would go back to the way it was, or do you like the mix up?

[Jemmy]

I mean, I think we lost a lot of it then, but also, things have to change. I just wish that they had brought in other MTV people first. And actually it was. Are you the one people on Exist, too? So they did technically bring in MTV people, but, like, imagine like, Teen mom and Jersey Shore on the challenge in 2014.

[Kayla]

Oh, at the peak of our shows.

[Jemmy]

You and the situation in the Challenge house, like, that would have been like a wet dream for mtv.

[Kayla]

Not the wet dream. I was just talking about wet dreams last night. Have you ever had one?

[Adam Rippon]

Duh.

[Kayla]

Oh, I've had them.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. Have you had more wet dreams about girls or guys?

[Kayla]

Women.

[Jemmy]

It's always women. Always, always, always. Step up your game. Men.

[Kayla]

What version of yourself do you think you'd be living right now if it wasn't for the Challenge? Would you still be the same? Jenny?

[Jemmy]

Oh, I was gonna go to law school. I had interned in D.C. the summer before I got cast, and they were filming Real World dc.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

So I'd walk by the house every day and they would. I was like, these people look like losers. Like, I'd be so much cooler on this show. So I'm, like, interning in D.C. on the, like, right life path of law school and working in politics. And then it all, like, went to shit. And thank God, because, like, now, looking at where it's, like, actually better to be on reality TV right now than living in D.C. my we.

[Kayla]

Alessandra and I went to dinner with my attorney not that long ago.

[Jemmy]

Which one? I know you have, like, plenty.

[Kayla]

My entertainment attorney. And she looked at me and she said, kale, you make more money than I do. Why do you want to be an attorney?

[Jemmy]

You know who actually told me to go in the real world and not law school?

[Kayla]

Who?

[Jemmy]

My professor, who had given up being a lawyer to be a professor. I went to him and I was like, yo, I got cast on Real World. But, you know, like, I'm supposed to take the LSAT next week. Like, it's all planned. And he was like, go on the show.

[Kayla]

You can always tell. Take the LSAT later.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, I'm on the show.

[Kayla]

No. And you could be a lawyer now if you wanted to.

[Jemmy]

I don't, but I could.

[Kayla]

How do you live a real, like, a regular life? Because you're not always filming the Challenge and you might not be casted. So if you don't fit into the Theme of the challenge, do you go get a regular job?

[Jemmy]

Thank God. I actually have a college education, unlike a lot of those of the kids. They, like, went on the show, didn't finish. My mom was like, you're getting your education. So I work for, like, startup tech companies. I do a lot of, like, healthcare consulting on the side. So, yeah, like, people don't realize, like, people to this day, like, probably five minutes ago, someone told me, like, get a job. And I'm like, I have a job. I just don't tell you about it. Winner.

[Kayla]

I think about, like, the way that we filmed Teen Mom. It was like, two seasons a year. But, like, what about the off time?

[Jemmy]

Yeah. And, like, you could go years without doing challenges. Well, that's what I was thinking.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

And no shade, no tea. Y' all took all the money.

[Kayla]

Sorry.

[Jemmy]

We got. We get paid nothing. But no, seriously, wait.

[Kayla]

Can I ask how much y' all would make for a season?

[Jemmy]

Say, essentially it's like, your 10th season. You're probably bringing home, like, 90 to 100. Like, that's not a lot, though, if you think about it. You bring home $90,000, and then you don't do a show for two years. No, that's exactly. It's not consistent money.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

And then also, like, Uncle Sam still comes and takes it.

[Kayla]

No.

[Jemmy]

People always think because we film out of the country, we don't pay taxes.

[Kayla]

Wait, what? Is that a thing?

[Jemmy]

Yeah. People like you filmed in Turkey, you don't to pay taxes on your money. I'm like, yeah, we do. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kayla]

I always think about where I would be if it wasn't for team. Like, I was able to get my degree with the money. But, like, I really think about how out of touch I am because that's what, like, propelled me.

[Jemmy]

See, I think it's so different than, like. Cause I can go live my real life for a year to disappear. Disappear for longer, that then come back on the challenge.

[Kayla]

How long would film.

[Jemmy]

You have literally been living this life since Isaac was in your stomach. That's, like, wild to me.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Like, you never got time off. A day off, a break. You can. We can walk away from the challenge and be done. And you can't walk away from a show like yours and be done. Cause you're still so recognizable. It is so. It's totally different.

[Kayla]

Really. Do people recognize you? Of course they do.

[Jemmy]

But it's so different because they don't have that spotlight into my life like you have.

[Kayla]

But you don't have to talk about your personal Problems.

[Jemmy]

Exactly. And I don't because of everything that happened with Night Passing after the Real World. Like, I can always say I could have three kids and be married and you fuckers would never know. And I could.

[Kayla]

Although I did see reports about Robin, who I always loved. I saw, like, they did, like, a Where is she now? Kind of deal. Like, that stuff is sad.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

But it's always, like. It's not about the good stuff.

[Jemmy]

She's doing better now.

[Kayla]

Good. Are you friends with her?

[Jemmy]

I've never met her. I've never done a show with her. But she was like, one of my first, like, Real World obsessions. Because I'm on the show because I was obsessed with the girls that paved the way.

[Kayla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jemmy]

She's doing better now. But, like, this can ruin your life.

[Kayla]

Reality TV in general, I think is a mental illness.

[Jemmy]

And I think that.

[Kayla]

And I'm mentally ill.

[Jemmy]

But I also think that you're such a testament of, like, getting out at the right time so it doesn't destroy you and pivoting.

[Kayla]

You don't think it destroyed me a little bit?

[Jemmy]

I think from the outside looking in, not as much as other people, but only you can answer that question.

[Kayla]

I always wonder for people like that are on the challenge or just reality TV in general, what is their plan? What is the exit strategy for when they leave? Because I look at some of the cast members that I filmed with and I'm like, what is your plan when this ends? Because it does end and it will end. So what is the plan? You don't have a degree, you all don't have investments, you all don't have a financial advisor. What are you all doing?

[Jemmy]

Well, that's the thing. They purposely cast majority of people that don't think that long, far ahead. So they purposely know we're gonna keep them in this little web. And even though you haven't done a challenge in two years and you know, you're like, working at Buffalo Wild Wings, like, we know that we can get you back like this. Like, the whole casting of the challenge is, like, needs to be studied from a, like, psychological aspect.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Because they know how to keep people reeled in.

[Kayla]

Well, because Johnny Bananas has been doing it for.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. A lifetime.

[Kayla]

And what about. What was Mark.

[Jemmy]

Mark Long? Yeah, he's, like, the reason there's All Stars. He's the one that, like, really, really pushed for the All Star seasons. Like, so he had a little bit of business sense of, like, there's more.

[Kayla]

To this, like, longevity.

[Jemmy]

And let's pull from like those cast members that people miss but are like no longer existing in the challenge casting world.

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[Jemmy]

Okay. Like regular seasons now take like three months, two to three months. You can film an all star season in like six weeks.

[Kayla]

And then you could go back home and live your regular life, get a regular job.

[Jemmy]

And again like you could be going through a divorce. You could be going through like a child custody. You could be going through like a death of a parent. You don't have to, you can go on that challenge house and none of that matters where like when you're filming things, you cannot escape your real life. So it's two different type of just realities.

[Kayla]

I don't know if I would have, maybe I would have done better. On a show like yours you get.

[Jemmy]

To portray yourself how you want to be portrayed. I guess.

[Kayla]

Do you like your edit? Do you feel like you were ever pigeonholed?

[Jemmy]

I always say, and it's, you might disagree with me. You can't really get a bad edit on the challenge. Like you only give them this much. This much. That's what they have to work with. Yours is different. They can chop and cut more. But on the challenge at the day, if you're being a bitch. You're a bitch. Like, there's been times like, yes, I was an asshole. They didn't edit me to look like an asshole. I acted like an asshole.

[Kayla]

Fair where, like, mine can be taken out of context. I've had wild lines. I don't know if you guys have this when you guys film, but, like, I've. I've said something. Like, I could say, you look like shit in this conversation with this person, and they'll take that wild line and they'll put it in this conversation with this person, and they just will show, like, your face, but it will look like the sound is coming to you. And I've had them do that to me.

[Jemmy]

And I think that's easier to. When you're filming with a couple people. Like, y' all film when we're filming with, like, 30 people, so.

[Kayla]

Interesting.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, it's. It's two totally different dynamics. Like, I would love for you to actually go on a challenge to see how different it is from the world that you essentially grew up in.

[Kayla]

Somebody called Ben and Larry somebody. What's something people always think they know about you but is totally incorrect?

[Jemmy]

People just think. Because, again, when I'm filming a challenge, I'm a guarded person. I'm there. It's a competition show. I am not the strongest. I know I have to play a political smart game. People just think I'm, like, the biggest bitch in the world. They think I'm, like, a mean girl and I'm a bitch. I'm like, I'm actually the nicest person you'll ever meet. You've never been mean to me. Yeah, I know some people, they probably think I'm mean. But no, like, I'm just really, like, not as, like, aggressive, I guess, as people think I am.

[Kayla]

Do you ever, like, train before a challenge or do you get the call, like, pretty soon before you have to leave?

[Jemmy]

Back in the day, it was all fun and games. Now, like, when I would go on All Stars, I would train a little bit. But I also was like, I'm a very realistic person. I never thought I was going to go on the challenge and win unless I had, like, an insane partner. Like, I'm showing up for the. For the money and to act, to give you all some commentary, like, I'm not here to win.

[Kayla]

We should host the next VMAs. Oh, my God, you'd be so fun. Was there a moment that you took a hiatus and you didn't want it? Like, you were casted and didn't Want to do it?

[Jemmy]

Yeah. After Night passed, we had just filmed battle of the XS2 in August, and then DM and Night both passed in November.

[Kayla]

They passed in the same month.

[Jemmy]

They passed. Okay. Weird. Their birthdays are two weeks apart in June, and then they passed two weeks apart in November. Yeah. And a weird thing again, it was Battle of the Exes, too. So you're partnered with your ex. So obviously I was with Night, DM was with ct. Everyone had, like, colorful bright uniforms and different color uniforms. They both were in black and we both were in black. Like, there's so much, like, weird shit that, like, leading up. It's like looking back on someone's death. It's like, God, there's always signs.

[Kayla]

That's so weird. Yeah.

[Jemmy]

So after Battle, the Exes and he passed. I took three years off.

[Kayla]

And did they. But they tried to get you.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, And I just wasn't ready. And I came back when I was ready.

[Kayla]

Because you did the whole experience with him or it was just.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, it felt weird. Like, even though him and I had not been together for years and like we were never going to get back together if he lived, even though some people like to tell me we would, it was just a. Like a weird. Like, that was always our thing and it just always. It didn't feel right.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Well, I think grief is weird, too. And, like, you never know how it's going to affect you. And just because you guys weren't together at that time mean that.

[Jemmy]

No, if you were still alive, we would be great friends.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. He would still be doing the show. Like, so I just need a time. Because I think if I went back too soon, that's when reality TV could have ruined me.

[Kayla]

No, I agree with that. Is there. But are you thankful that you have, like, the footage of you and him and.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, I don't watch it a lot. It's hard to watch. I've watched it here and there, but I know it exists. And I know that, like, more importantly, it exists for people that need it because there's like, I. You know. You know, you always get the. You, you doing this saved me or helped me, and you're like, that was.

[Kayla]

Just a small slip in time.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. That I didn't even realize that anything was happening.

[Kayla]

Right, right. Oh, my gosh. Well, I'm so sorry. I know it was a long time.

[Jemmy]

But coming up on 10 years.

[Kayla]

How do you protect your piece now?

[Jemmy]

That's okay. So after he passed in 2014, and I made of that at some point within probably six months of him, of him passing, I told myself I will never share a personal relationship online ever again.

[Kayla]

Why?

[Jemmy]

Because with him passing, like, I'm grieving and people on the Internet telling me, I'm so sorry you lost your soulmate. No one's ever going to love you again. And it's just like, hello, we were broken up for years. Like, he was an important part of my life, but he wasn't my son soulmate. And people, you know, to this day, people like, you know, that was your person. I'm so sorry that happened. I'm like, it's been 11 years. So. Yeah. So just from that moment, I don't know when something just clicked in my head and I was like, moving forward, I will never share my personal life online. And that's a promise I've kept to myself.

[Kayla]

I struggle with that. I go back and forth, like, after having relationships play out on tv, like, what is. Where's the line that you draw between, like, showing your authentic self and including your relationship? Because I think so often it was like, Kaylan, Joe, Kaylan, Elijah, Kaylan, Kayla. It was never just Kale. You've talked about dating and red flags online. What's a green flag that you overlooked when you were younger that you pay more attention to now?

[Jemmy]

Actually, no. Not enjoying social media. No social media presence. Not understanding, like, themes like, yes. Like, you, like, men don't need to be on social media. We're not going to send you to war, but we're going to send you back to work.

[Kayla]

Okay. Fair?

[Jemmy]

Yeah. I want to say this, like, one thing that has always, from your perspective, the amount of fucking people that you put on, the amount of people that made money off of you, that's another reason I could never do it. Because if you make a dollar off of me, you put them on.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Like, I just am not that type of person where I'm going to put you on and then you all are going to come on some disrespectful shit.

[Kayla]

Well, I think it's like when you put someone on and then they turn around and use it against you.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, See, that would fucking. Then I'd be the demon that people think I am. So I've always just purposely like. But also, I'm so lucky. The people in my life don't want to be a part. Like, like, my mom has never, like, my mom, my best friends, my people don't care about this.

[Kayla]

But what's so interesting that you say that and the people that I like, my genuine people Kristen, Alessandra, like, they don't ask me to. They don't want, they don't care to be a part of it.

[Jemmy]

They enjoy being behind the scenes and letting you do your thing.

[Kayla]

If they're on it, great. Like, that's fine. But like, they don't ask me for anything. And then I see like the people that want to make it like their full time thing and then they turn around and use it against me or something. Like, you're using my following that I gave you against me.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, that would make me like I'd be on episode of Snapped. Oh, yeah. Like the way that you've navigated the waters of these thirsty ass. Not even just men, the women attack. And that. That's where it really gets fucking complicated. Yeah.

[Kayla]

No, I agree. But do you feel like, especially on the challenge or Real World Road rules, any of that, that women are held to a different standard than men? Like, do you think that men get way better edits and they can get away with so much more?

[Jemmy]

If a man does something bad, it is. Oh, my God, this is. This is so good. Like, that's what men do. You know, we've been like the, the things that women have been through on this show where, like, for example, on Vendetta's 2017, one of my worst challenge moments, I did throw a suitcase off a balcony.

[Kayla]

Wait, is that. Is that controversial?

[Jemmy]

That's what I said.

[Kayla]

Didn't Morgan Wallen throw something off a balcony? Thank you. Did you go to jail?

[Jemmy]

I did not go to jail. I went. I kind of went to. We'll talk. Okay. So we were where we in Spain and I threw suitcase off a balcony. Drunk stupid moment. But first of all, the challenge has been built off of moments like that, right? So they immediately like, you're going to a hotel, you're gonna be fined. I'm like, first of all, if you're gonna take money out of my pocket, you're not airing this and I'm not going to a hotel. So like, and like, moments like that, women are always punished.

[Kayla]

Right?

[Jemmy]

Where then if Johnny Bananas had thrown.

[Kayla]

A suitcase, it would have been.

[Jemmy]

This was girl on girl crying.

[Kayla]

Do you get along with Johnny Bananas?

[Jemmy]

I like Johnny, but I also will call Johnny out on his. But honestly, him, because he just recently got one of my tick tocks removed. When I didn't say anything wrong.

[Kayla]

He got it. How do you know it was him?

[Jemmy]

Because I know his team.

[Kayla]

Yeah, he has a team.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, he has a team. Like, it was one of, like, what.

[Kayla]

Is he even Up. I don't even know what he's up to.

[Jemmy]

I don't know the challenges. Did traders. He's very good at. He was on that show Pop the Balloon. It's a Netflix show.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

And he was disrespectful to a woman. Spoiler alert. And it was a black woman. Another spoiler alert. I simply made a video just chronologically in order of things he. He had done on reality tv. Like this to women. Still use the word allegedly because a did almost go to law school and he got that video snatched right up offline. So. Yeah.

[Kayla]

Did you save it? Could you repost it?

[Jemmy]

Yeah, I could. And I could also post it on, like, Instagram.

[Kayla]

I'm not saying you should. It was just an idea.

[Jemmy]

So again, just. And. And when I tell you, like, MTV has protected this man when his sex tape came out.

[Kayla]

He's a sex tape.

[Jemmy]

He does?

[Kayla]

With who?

[Jemmy]

It's not that. It's not.

[Kayla]

You watched it? Duh.

[Jemmy]

This was like, years ago. I made one little tweet about a sex tape.

[Kayla]

And you have one.

[Jemmy]

Do I have one?

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

No, I mean a personal one. Yes. One is going to leak. No. Unless you take my phone away from me. No. I made one little tweet about his sex tape. And when I tell you the highest people of MTV were calling me within like 10 minutes, begging me to take that tweet down. Like, they protect him.

[Kayla]

Did they. Did the executives ever get involved in any of that stuff? Because they didn't really get involved in.

[Jemmy]

Any Protect Johnny people.

[Kayla]

Why though?

[Jemmy]

Girl, you figure that out, you let me know.

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[Jemmy]

Like, no, it's not a me and Johnny beef. It is women of the challenge versus men of the challenge.

[Kayla]

But men of the challenge don't feel this way.

[Jemmy]

They think that we're being dramatic. We're just angry hens. And that was not a quote I came up with myself. That's what they would literally call us. Like, you're just an angry hen. No, I just don't want to be treated like a villain when you're, like, elevated for the same.

[Kayla]

So there you were talking about the international people on the challenge. Do you love that or hate that?

[Jemmy]

I get that you got to keep things fresh. I just don't think they went about it the right way.

[Kayla]

Well, I feel like with all the nostalgia stuff coming back with, like, like, we're rebooting things, we're doing, like, just bringing back old shows, I feel like it would make more sense to bring back the nostalgia, the nostalgic people from other reality shows on MTV or V, even VH1.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Love and hip hop, which all used to be under one company.

[Jemmy]

Oh, God, I love love and hip. I'm such a VH1 girl. Like, love of money, people, like, I just think there were so many people they could have pulled from, like you said, to make it, like, really people drawn them in. Like, I don't know this random guy from Sweden that was on, like, America. Like, Sweden has talent. Like, I'm sorry, I don't know him.

[Kayla]

Yeah. And people love a good crossover. So I feel like it would be good to see other MTV family, like, cast.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. Again, go back a couple years. Put a teen mom, girly, and a Jersey Shore guy on the challenge. MTV would have exploded.

[Kayla]

Who's your dream challenge partner? Do you have one?

[Jemmy]

Yes. And it's very controversial because I actually don't love him as a human. And like, him and I. He said some, like, bad things to me before.

[Kayla]

But Jordan, who the Fuck is that?

[Jemmy]

He's. He's. People that watch the Challenge know who Jordan is, and he's a piece of.

[Kayla]

Let me see him. Google him.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, I was like, jordan. No. Like, he's a piece of shit.

[Kayla]

I don't think I like that, man.

[Jemmy]

Oh, I don't like him either. But if you. If I'm trying to finally win, if I was gonna go back like him, because he will get. He will. You will win with Jordan, not CT or. No, Jordan. Jordan's, in my opinion, the best guy that ever played the Challenge.

[Kayla]

I remember old school. Yeah.

[Jemmy]

And also you gotta remember the old school people are now old. I mean, Jordan's like my age, so he's not. No young bug.

[Kayla]

How old are you?

[Jemmy]

37.

[Kayla]

You had to think about that.

[Jemmy]

No, I think I'm 36. Wait, how old am I? Agent Matters. Me, I was born in 88. I'm 36. I'll be 37. Okay. Yeah, I don't think about age, I guess, like, it doesn't matter to me.

[Kayla]

If you ask my kids, they'll say 29.4.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, well, I'll be 29.3, period.

[Kayla]

Yeah, I'm not. I can't. Yeah, I can't do this age thing anymore.

[Jemmy]

It's also irrelevant. Like, we look better now than we did in the beginning. Girl, I'll get work.

[Kayla]

Until the day. Until the day I die.

[Jemmy]

I'm gonna die of some chemicals. Might as well be the ones that make me look decent.

[Kayla]

So are you. Are they casting for. Are they doing the challenge?

[Jemmy]

Yeah, they're still doing it. I haven't done one since 2021.

[Kayla]

Why?

[Jemmy]

Great question. So we were filming All Stars 3 in Panama. 2021. Ironically, Panama is where we filmed Battle of the Exis 2, where DM got sick in the last challenge. Night did. So we went back to Panama. I was like, something bad is gonna happen here.

[Kayla]

And you just decided not to go?

[Jemmy]

Well, I went. And then we were like four challenges in to, like two weeks in. And my mom called me. She's like, your dad's super sick. You need to come home.

[Kayla]

So you left?

[Jemmy]

I left. So. But the process of them getting me home, like, it took my mom and my best friend like, like over 24 hours to get in contact with production to bring me home.

[Kayla]

Do you not have phones for three months?

[Jemmy]

Oh, baby girl. You get one 10 minute phone call a week.

[Kayla]

I filmed Marriage Boot Camp and I remember that. What year was that? 2016. 2016. I feel filmed Marriage Boot Camp and they took My phone. And you could only have it at like 11pm oh, no, no.

[Jemmy]

You don't have phones for months. Like the whole time you're filming, you get one 10 minute phone call and it's over there, like on their phone. So they're listening to everything.

[Kayla]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jemmy]

It took them like, day. Like, took them like 24 hours. And then they tell me my dad's sick and I need to leave. And then they put me in a hotel for like 12 hours because I had to film my exit interviews. And, like, I don't have my passport. It's not like I can just pop up to the airport and get my own flight. They have all my stuff. And I love my father, may he rest in peace. But if that had been my mother that was sick and I couldn't get home to her, I would have blown that place. The up. So now just there's. I think there's too much PTSD to go back.

[Kayla]

You wouldn't go back at all.

[Jemmy]

I know.

[Kayla]

Ever.

[Jemmy]

No.

[Kayla]

Well, I don't think I could watch a challenge if you weren't on it.

[Jemmy]

I would not go back. No, I know.

[Kayla]

Because of that or just like a slew of things.

[Jemmy]

I also, like, you get older. Like, it's a slew of things. But that was the. This is the final nail in that coffin. Yeah.

[Kayla]

But would you film another reality show.

[Jemmy]

Or do you think totally, like, like, what show? So I'm like, really good friends. Oh, my God. Traders. I would fucking die to some traders.

[Kayla]

Big Brother. Celebrity Big Brother.

[Jemmy]

Yes, Big Brother traders. Like, I'm really good friends with Trishell from Real World.

[Kayla]

Oh, I forgot about her. How's she doing?

[Jemmy]

She lives in New Orleans.

[Kayla]

Oh, good.

[Jemmy]

Like, and she's really good friends with the cast. That was real Southern Charm.

[Kayla]

Okay. I remember that show.

[Jemmy]

Bravo. So I think, like a Bravo show.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

Like, if Trishell ever got cast in, like, Southern Charm, if they rebooted it or like a Housewives of New Orleans, like, I would be like, the perfect friend of like, come in, cut the big shout out and leave. But you still don't get to fully see into my life.

[Kayla]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jemmy]

But Traders is the dream show. But I always, like, think, like, Real World was just meant to be my show.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

There's so much other things that I would have done. Like, Big Brother would have been better. But, like, I was just meant to be a real. Like, I was what a Real World girl was back in the day. Just no given. Get me out of this small town.

[Kayla]

Who are Your favorite people from the Real World and the challenge, Veronica.

[Jemmy]

She paved the way. But, like, Real World, like Coral from back in the day.

[Kayla]

I loved Coral. Rachel, yes. Girl crush. Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Rachel's that bitch Coral. And then, like, honestly, I saw Trishell on Real World Las Vegas with her, like, annoying ass, Southern accent.

[Kayla]

She was with Robin, right?

[Jemmy]

No, she was Vegas. Robin was San Diego.

[Kayla]

Okay. Okay.

[Jemmy]

I remember watching Trishell. I'm like, damn it. That girl can be on TV. I can be on TV. Her season aired in 2002. Mine aired in 2010. So now we're, like, real life best friends because we both live in New Orleans, and I'm like, every day, I'm like. I literally got on the show because I watched her on the show. So the women really paved the way for me.

[Kayla]

No, for sure. And Anisa.

[Jemmy]

Anissa.

[Kayla]

Have you seen any of these people lately?

[Jemmy]

Yeah, I'm still, like, good friends with, like, obviously Trishell. Still friends with Anissa. Veronica Marie from St. Thomas season.

[Kayla]

Have you run into Gypsy Rose since you've been.

[Jemmy]

Oh, girl, I've been looking for that bitch.

[Kayla]

I should have hit you up while I was there. Alessandra and I were there for, like.

[Jemmy]

A day around super bowl, right? Yeah. Oh, yes, I know. I. I'm always like.

[Kayla]

I mean, I'm sure if you hit her up, she would.

[Jemmy]

Oh, she put her on your podcast, sit her on the couch, and just, like, tough love her.

[Kayla]

She was nice. I wouldn't. She was really nice.

[Jemmy]

Would you, like, have a drink with her? She older.

[Kayla]

She was pregnant.

[Jemmy]

Well, probably shouldn't drink with her, then.

[Kayla]

Yeah. And I also don't drink, but I was sitting. I mean, she. You wouldn't know. She.

[Jemmy]

She. She just a. Circumstance of her situation. I was so happy when she got free, but I promise you, I knew exactly what would happen.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

I knew she would get pregnant.

[Kayla]

How do you feel about the Menendez brothers, then?

[Jemmy]

I want them out too.

[Kayla]

Okay. Me too.

[Jemmy]

I am. I am. You. You do not get to literally, like, in whatever way it is, abuse your child, and I'm not gonna be on your side. These kids did not be asked to be brought into this world. No, no. I free them. Like, free. Free all of these children who literally are just in prison because of their parents. Yeah.

[Kayla]

I always wonder how people think that Gypsy should be free with the Menendez brothers. Shouldn't.

[Jemmy]

Thank you. I get in that argument all the time. I get in that argument all the time.

[Kayla]

Especially because people testified to, like, on the Menendez brothers behalf, their Abuse was real. Yeah.

[Jemmy]

And it's just, it's just Gypsy.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

But it's just also how women and men respond differently to abuse. She responded in a way a woman was fine. They would respond in a way a man respond.

[Kayla]

Right.

[Jemmy]

Neither's wrong in that situation. They're children.

[Kayla]

Yeah. No, I agree with you. What do you think your edit is on TV and in social media now?

[Jemmy]

I think it's always just kind of like the bitchy like. And I do talk a lot. I don't.

[Kayla]

I've never seen that.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, like people just. People do think. I mean, I guess. And that's not everyone. People. Some people like, obviously think I'm funny. But it's again, the girls sometimes get a little bit of a harsh edit compared to the guys.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

And I don't even mean a harsh edit from production. I mean a harsh edit from the fans. But if you watch any reality show, if anyone here watches the Valley, you can see how Jessica, it's crazy to me how it's a. It's a spin off of Vanderpump Rules.

[Kayla]

Oh, oh, oh, okay.

[Jemmy]

But you don't watch it.

[Kayla]

No.

[Jemmy]

Oh my God. I would just love to be in your little bubble.

[Kayla]

I don't have a bubble.

[Jemmy]

But also, you have a thousand things to do. You have to wake up and feed children. I just wake up and go online. My dog, meanwhile, sleeps till noon, so I have like no responsibilities except myself.

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[Jemmy]

It is like what I was meant to do.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. Like.

[Kayla]

Like you're the rich auntie. You're the fun auntie.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. Like, I love children and I like, I want kids in any space that I'm in. Like, I want children to be there.

[Kayla]

But you don't want that.

[Jemmy]

I just don't want the full time response.

[Kayla]

Do you get a lot of for that? It's.

[Jemmy]

People always say it's selfish. I think. I don't think it is. Yeah.

[Kayla]

I have seven kids and I understand why people choose to be childless. And I get it. And I truly think if I didn't have Isaac, I would be childless. I only had more because I had one and I hated being an only child.

[Jemmy]

I'm an only child too.

[Kayla]

Oh, interesting. I hated being an only child. You liked it.

[Jemmy]

We had different only child experiences.

[Kayla]

Right.

[Jemmy]

Like, unfortunately, my mother is the, like, mother.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

And that's how you know you're a good mom. Because my mom likes you. Because she'll come for some of the, the teen mom girlies. But I just had like an ideal mother that I never felt like I was missing out.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

But I think if I had been in your situation and had one child, I would have felt the same way. And if you have one, might as well have some more.

[Kayla]

I think, going.

[Jemmy]

You, you took it to the extreme, but I shocked. You got a girl. I never thought you were gonna get a girl. In my mind, you were never having a girl.

[Kayla]

Well, so the test, what was it, the nip test or whatever, said I was having two boys.

[Jemmy]

The universe just came.

[Kayla]

So I was in Nashville.

[Jemmy]

Girl.

[Kayla]

I was in Nashville and I got the results and it was like boy. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. And then they told me, like, depending on your ph in your body, like, you can reject certain gender. Like, it can, like, because I guess which one's stronger? Do you remember girl swimmers or boy swimmers?

[Jemmy]

Girls.

[Kayla]

And like the acidity in your body can like reject, like, kill off one or the Other. That's why. Because it's the male that determines it. But.

[Jemmy]

But it's also. Yeah, I did not know any of this.

[Kayla]

And I only got a girl that came with a boy.

[Jemmy]

I. Yeah, I remember when fight. When finding out you had a girl, I like, didn't believe it at first.

[Kayla]

Well, here we are.

[Jemmy]

I know.

[Kayla]

And she's sassy. She's a sassy girl. Okay, if MTV had Hunger Games for reality stars, who would win and why?

[Jemmy]

Oh, honestly, I have to almost go, like, can I do like a teen mom before y' all got money? Yeah, yeah. I think a teen mom before money or Jersey Shore kid before money.

[Kayla]

Anything before I had money, I would win.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Because it was purely out of survival.

[Jemmy]

That's why you should have been put on, like, seat, like after, like one season of Teen mom or right after you're 16 and pregnant. That's when you would have killed the challenge because you would have been like, ready to bury a bitch for $50,000.

[Kayla]

1,000.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. Yes. I think like a Jersey Shore teen mom. Pre money.

[Kayla]

Have you ever met any of the Jersey Shore cast?

[Jemmy]

Yeah, I've done like after shows with Vinny. I think I've met all of them at this point.

[Kayla]

Have you been to any of his stand up shows? He does comedy now.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, I'm aware of that. And you know what? Thank God for his platform.

[Kayla]

Is he not good?

[Jemmy]

Has anyone ever heard Vinnie tell a joke on Jersey Shore? Like, let's be for real. I have a soft spot for most people on reality TV as a child.

[Kayla]

Now, but what, like who?

[Jemmy]

Like Farah? Like, she was just a young kid trying to figure out with like. And what she was going through with her. The baby daddy being dead and those parents of hers.

[Kayla]

And like, dead is so aggressive. Like saying dad.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. A dead baby daddy at 16. Is that is really traumatic, calling her names online? Yeah, I'm sorry, Farrah.

[Kayla]

You heard it here first.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Build your own challenge style team with the most chaotic people.

[Jemmy]

MTV only.

[Kayla]

No.

[Jemmy]

Okay. It like we're like five people.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Okay. I want to start with. I gotta keep it to the og. I want to bring Coral back. She'll never actually come back for a real challenge.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

So I want to bring her back. I want Boston Rob.

[Kayla]

Okay. Don't remember him.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, he's from Survivor.

[Kayla]

Oh, okay.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. I'm basically just building a. This is not even a chaotic team. This is just a team of, like, reality TV stars I want to hang out and party with.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

I'm gonna put Kate from below deck.

[Kayla]

I thought you were gonna say Kate plus eight.

[Jemmy]

No, I'm terrified of her. Okay, so I have Kate from Kate from below deck. I have Boston Rob. I have Coral from the Challenge. I love New York.

[Kayla]

Blast from the past.

[Jemmy]

Yes. I. That's the best reality TV star to ever exist.

[Kayla]

What about. What was the other one's name? No, the girl.

[Jemmy]

I love him too. He was actually gonna be my fifth one because he's a swifter.

[Kayla]

Who's the girl? The girl. Tequila. Tila Tequila.

[Jemmy]

She's like a Nazi now. Yeah, she went down a rabbit hole. Yeah. So basically. Okay, so honestly, again, Coral, Boston Rob, Kate from below deck. I love New York. And then I need, like, one more, like, strategic. Because I'm, like, building a strategic team. I'm, like, blanking on other shows that I watch. Davon from Big Brother.

[Kayla]

I think mine would be chaotic people. No, it's me, Lindsay Chrisley. Who else do I watch on reality tv?

[Jemmy]

Yeah, so you don't. You're like, in a bubble.

[Kayla]

I don't watch. Who else is there on reality TV these days?

[Jemmy]

I think if you just do you and Lindsay, you're. That's chaotic enough for the world.

[Kayla]

Okay. Maybe Peter Guns from Love and hip Hop.

[Jemmy]

Oh, my God, I love. I'm a loving hip hop girl. I remember I slapped the out of.

[Kayla]

Him before I announced.

[Jemmy]

No offense if you're friends with him.

[Kayla]

I haven't talked to him in a long time, but yeah, no, I. We always.

[Jemmy]

Did you watch his show before you did this? Okay, if you're like, there's no way I could walk into a house with Peter Guns and not, like, throw a drink in his face.

[Kayla]

No. But in person, I loved him so much.

[Jemmy]

No, I know, and that's so funny.

[Kayla]

Wait, so I have a story about him. So before, when I announced my pregnancy with Lux, I never said who the dad was. Long story short, Peter commented on my picture, and then here goes the shade room posting about, is Peter Guns the dad?

[Jemmy]

I mean, not fair.

[Kayla]

Because I got pregnant.

[Jemmy]

Fair decision from the trade room because that man loves to stir the pot.

[Kayla]

And he's like, why didn't you call me back? It was like a, like, suspicious comment on my video.

[Jemmy]

He was on your marriage book count. Not Joe Budden?

[Kayla]

No, Joe was not on mine. I think he was on the camel.

[Jemmy]

My challenge.

[Kayla]

Maybe Erica Mina.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, her and Safari. Oh, God. Like, I'm just like a reality tv, like, historic. Like, there's like.

[Kayla]

Do you. You recap all those shows on your show?

[Jemmy]

No, I Don't. I just. I've watched all of them.

[Kayla]

Okay, so you, like, know what the is going on.

[Jemmy]

There's like, you cannot, like, bring up a reality. So, I mean, not, like, be able to make a connection.

[Kayla]

Are you a Kardashian fan?

[Jemmy]

I've watched the Kardashians. I wouldn't call myself a fan of the Kardashians, but, like, I know I like all their lore. Like, because I, like, watch people I don't like just because I love reality tv.

[Kayla]

Do you have cable? Where do you watch this?

[Jemmy]

I have logins. Shout out the fans that share their logins.

[Kayla]

No way.

[Jemmy]

People on Twitter, like, give me their logins.

[Kayla]

I use Kristen'.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. I don't. I don't pay for that. Like, no. Like, old love and hip hop. Like, old team. I'm like, I'm such like an og. Like Ray J. I'm adding.

[Kayla]

I do not know.

[Jemmy]

I don't care. Again, I'm separating the person and the art. Ray J is my favorite reality tv. All times. Yes.

[Kayla]

Is he really?

[Jemmy]

Yes. Ray J is my favorite male reality TV star of all time.

[Kayla]

I don't think I've ever seen him, but I don't like his music.

[Jemmy]

Well, maybe no one does.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

That's not what he's here for.

[Kayla]

No.

[Jemmy]

Ray J is the funniest. Like. And again, do I think he's a good person? Probably not. You can't grow up in Hollywood and be a good person where he comes from, but.

[Kayla]

Right.

[Jemmy]

Would I watch him on any and everything. Got an indoor pool and an outdoor pool. Oh, God, I love Rachel.

[Kayla]

Does he? Have you ever met him? You should. No. Oh, he would probably love it.

[Jemmy]

You can't meet the people.

[Kayla]

Yeah.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Who is somebody that you would want to meet but you're scared to meet?

[Jemmy]

I love New York. Tiffany Pollard. Yeah. Omarosa. Like, Yeah.

[Kayla]

I don't know who those people are.

[Jemmy]

Again, seven kids. No kids. Our times are different. Like, I'm like, yeah, okay, Frankel.

[Kayla]

Oh, no. So I asked her about caviar and she responded. So we're basically besties now.

[Jemmy]

Because you're on her level. You like, don't.

[Kayla]

Absolutely not. She's friends with Alex Earl.

[Jemmy]

You could probably get Alex Earl on this podcast.

[Kayla]

No. Girl. No. She's making like a million dollars contract.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. She's not doing Dancing with the Stars.

[Kayla]

She did.

[Jemmy]

Or she is going to be on the new season.

[Kayla]

Oh, good. That's awesome. She should also go. She. I think she did. She do the masked singer.

[Jemmy]

I don't want See, that's. That's not my type of reality show.

[Kayla]

Got it.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. I need. I need to see your personality. I need to know who you are. But no, she. I don't think the masked singer. Could they afford her? I don't know how. What they pay. Yeah.

[Kayla]

That's hosted by Nick Cannon. I'd have Nick Cannon on my team.

[Jemmy]

You have a lot in common.

[Kayla]

We have a lot in common.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. Honestly, I would love a. You and Nick to discuss. I don't like perspectives. I agree. But just curious.

[Kayla]

He was so rude to me at the 2018 VMAs. He was so rude to me, and I will never forget it.

[Jemmy]

As you should not. As you should not.

[Kayla]

But for, like, the lore. For, like, the sake of views on social media, I think he would be. What about anyone from selling Sunset? Do you watch that?

[Jemmy]

Oh, yeah.

[Kayla]

I love, like, I love all the girls.

[Jemmy]

I love Kishelle.

[Kayla]

I love.

[Jemmy]

Stands 10 toes down on the. She believes in.

[Kayla]

I love. I do love Mary.

[Jemmy]

Oh, I like Mary, too, but Mary's not, like, the most entertaining one. But you need people like Mary on that type of cast.

[Kayla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jemmy]

You need, like, this, like, you, like, that's the important thing of, like, the importance of casting different personalities to make the correct ensemble.

[Kayla]

And then I did.

[Jemmy]

Mary's hot, too.

[Kayla]

She is really hot.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Chelsea and I hosted or presented an award at the American reality whatever award show. We did. We presented award. And she. She's funny. Yeah, she's so funny. And I don't think she gets, like, a funny edit on the show.

[Jemmy]

No.

[Kayla]

No.

[Jemmy]

Because she's like the sweet, serious.

[Kayla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I. I would have her. Maybe have her on my team.

[Jemmy]

Not that you're a villain, but would you do House of Villains?

[Kayla]

I would. I would argue that I am a villain, and I would say yes in some people's story.

[Jemmy]

Would you rather do House of Villains or Traitors, or do you not know enough about either to make a choice?

[Kayla]

I would do whatever would make me more money.

[Jemmy]

Spoken like a true businesswoman. She's got some kids to send to college. Traders. Traders would be the better.

[Kayla]

And I think it's a little bit more relevant than how you get it.

[Jemmy]

Now you're getting on Traders 5.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

The film's next May because they film every May.

[Kayla]

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[Jemmy]

I'm gonna have to go. It depends on your tax bracket. Like Blair Waldo. Like Blair from Gossip Girl. Iconic.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

Some random at a dive bar, it might give me the ick. So that's attack Brax. I'm sorry, I don't make the rules.

[Kayla]

Yeah, no, I agree.

[Jemmy]

I'm not putting a bow in my head.

[Kayla]

I'm not putting a bow on me ever.

[Jemmy]

If you got if you have a real Chanel, you can do it.

[Kayla]

Matching holiday pajamas for the whole family.

[Jemmy]

Well, considering like 50 of marriages end in divorce, the it because you're gonna have to ick them out.

[Kayla]

Yeah, I don't I gender reveals with explosives or smoke bombs. Ick, ick, ick.

[Jemmy]

I'm a fan of a gender reveal when the baby pops out.

[Kayla]

Like I did that three times.

[Jemmy]

I know. I, I, I love that. Some people are just too big of like, like planners and preparers. I'm not. I love surprises.

[Kayla]

Isaac, Lincoln and Lux were all surprise births, so I didn't know what any of them were.

[Jemmy]

No, I'm a big fan of finding out the. That's the one big surprise left in life.

[Kayla]

But also, when I had the gender reveal for the twins, only one smoke bomb went off. And it was blue.

[Jemmy]

I remember the smoke bombs now. I remember this.

[Kayla]

And I was like, what the. Okay. Over lined lips.

[Jemmy]

Oh, the ick.

[Kayla]

I don't overline. I just line wherever my lips.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, and when you say over line lips, you're not going to get this reference, but Lexi from summer house does it. And it's.

[Kayla]

You mean Alabama Barker.

[Jemmy]

Oh, God. That feud between. Oh, my God.

[Kayla]

Alabama or bad baby.

[Jemmy]

Bad baby.

[Kayla]

Thank you. Thank you. Stanley cups everywhere.

[Jemmy]

Ick. Ick. Sorry. It's like, such, like.

[Kayla]

I have, like, 40.

[Jemmy]

Yeah, it's like, such an. I don't. I don't own any. It's such, like. Again, that, like. Yeah, no. Sorry.

[Kayla]

Posting your man's hand, but never his face.

[Jemmy]

He's not getting posted, period.

[Kayla]

Oh, not even a hand. Like a soft line. Nothing.

[Jemmy]

Like I said, I could be married with three kids and y' all wouldn't know. Are you married with three kids? I'm not.

[Kayla]

Baby name reveals on Pinterest boards.

[Jemmy]

It's the ick. I'm sorry again. You also. Again, I'm not a mother. This is not my. I need to. I would have to see the child to name it. Okay, like, I don't understand the naming it before, even if it's like, a family name. Because what if I name you Janie and you look like a Terry? Like, that's weird to me. No offense. No shades. Lux was killing mothers watching this.

[Kayla]

Lux was 63 days old before I named him.

[Jemmy]

Oh, I remember that. You.

[Kayla]

And nothing suited him. So I was like, what is your name? Long claw. Like nails for everything.

[Jemmy]

Ick. No, no, no. Let me raise that ick. If you cannot, like, use them correctly. Because some can do everything with a long nail.

[Kayla]

I'm not a long nail girly.

[Jemmy]

No, I'm a bear now.

[Kayla]

I like just short little.

[Jemmy]

It's kind of like wearing kills. If you can do it and do everything, go for it. If you cannot pick up something properly cut your nails.

[Kayla]

I don't know how I would wipe my ass.

[Jemmy]

That's a.

[Kayla]

Like, how do you put a tampon.

[Jemmy]

Or, like, finger yourself?

[Kayla]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[Jemmy]

That's what you were really thinking. You were just trying to keep it for sure kosher.

[Kayla]

Not no, not kosher. Keep it clean.

[Jemmy]

It is Friday.

[Kayla]

Crying on tick tock and calling it healing.

[Jemmy]

I just don't understand these that like. And again, if you're telling a story and you get emotional, it's one thing, but as soon as they press play, they're already crying. Like, don't make me laugh. Like, what are we doing online? Get offline, Touch grass. Like. And then like, you see the picture, the videos of like the moms, like getting their kids to cry on camera and stuff. I want to go through the phone and slap the shit out of people.

[Kayla]

Like, I think I cried enough on Teen Mom. I don't need to cry on the Internet story.

[Jemmy]

You're like a minute and you start crying. Like, that's natural. But if you're the tears already rolling once you press record, you're weird. Go to the bathroom.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

Fair. Yeah. No, people are. People are weird, though. People are making a lot of money off of being weird.

[Kayla]

What can I make money off?

[Jemmy]

I think we figured it out.

[Kayla]

Okay.

[Jemmy]

I think you figured out. I think you're good.

[Kayla]

Matching couple tattoos. Ick.

[Jemmy]

You can only get a matching tattoo with your mom.

[Kayla]

19 sk 19 step skincare routines.

[Jemmy]

Fraud.

[Kayla]

Don't make me laugh. Podcasting as therapy.

[Jemmy]

Hey, actually, is this the first one I'm gonna actually say, like, not an ick.

[Kayla]

It's not an egg.

[Jemmy]

No, because it's real and it's personal.

[Kayla]

But also I have iconic.

[Jemmy]

That's the word. I was like, what's the opposite of it? I haven't even used the word icon.

[Kayla]

Podcast because I have my. My Lindsay's my friend and Becky's my friend. So I will ask for real life advice. My mistake is these are real life situations. And then people are like, I know that's about me.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Yeah, that sucks.

[Jemmy]

But again, because you've been doing this since you were a child, you don't know how to.

[Kayla]

I don't know how to separate church and state. And you never went.

[Jemmy]

Like you were saying earlier of trying to figure out of like, with the relationships and stuff, you're never going to be able to be private. It's just this is who. Who you've been since you were a child, essentially.

[Kayla]

Like, it's weird. It's a weird.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Wearing Crocs with charms.

[Jemmy]

Again, it's a tax bracket thing.

[Kayla]

Like, so if someone like, you're like.

[Jemmy]

On a private jet, it's okay, but like, yeah, it's like a weird, like double stage. I'm not okay with. You can probably get away with it if you have more than like three lawyers on your payroll like me, I can't do it, but you can do it type of thing Again, tax. It's a weird, like, I don't like that it's a tax bracket thing. But some things are. Yeah.

[Kayla]

AI generated baby photos before the baby is born.

[Jemmy]

Some people shouldn't be parents.

[Kayla]

Wait, have you seen. I thought this was going to be about the AI generated. Have you seen like the Theo Vaughn podcast clip? Oh, my God.

[Jemmy]

I love the Avon.

[Kayla]

Or I love him as an adult, but the baby ones.

[Jemmy]

My dream person to do this with.

[Kayla]

No, I love. He's ignored me every single time. But I love Theo Vaughn so much.

[Jemmy]

He's a road rules challenge.

[Kayla]

I know.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Could you imagine him on like a challenge?

[Jemmy]

Oh, my God, I would die. I'll go to a stand up, like, I would die. Just. Even if it's not in on a camera. Just have five minutes with the obsessed. Yeah.

[Kayla]

Last one going live during an argument.

[Jemmy]

Mental illness. Mental illness. That is fucking insane. And I guess who's watching and judging you. Yeah.

[Kayla]

Like, I don't know.

[Jemmy]

When I make a TikTok about it, I'm a hater. Like, what the fuck?

[Kayla]

Where can people find you on social media?

[Jemmy]

Okay, it's just Jim Underscore on Instagram and I just got into TikTok. Better late than never.

[Kayla]

As you should.

[Jemmy]

But I just got Tick tock and I've been fucking loving it because, like, I was born a hater. I'm living as a hater. I'll die a hater. And Tick tock is such a good place to get my hate off. So.

[Kayla]

Yeah, make some money.

[Jemmy]

Yeah. Like, I'm loving it.

[Kayla]

I love that.

[Jemmy]

Yeah.

[Kayla]

Thanks for coming on Barely famous Podcast.

[Jemmy]

I am so happy to finally meet you again. This is a lifetime in the making.

[Kayla]

I'm so glad we did it.

[Jemmy]

Thanks for, you know, making my favorite child to ever exist.

[Kayla]

I'm gonna let him know you said that.

[Jemmy]

God, I would die for that kid.

[Kayla]

I should have brought him.

[Jemmy]

I would have lost him.

[Kayla]

I would have been able to handle.

[Jemmy]

Like, I love him so much. Like, you did such a good job with it.

[Kayla]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

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[Adam Rippon]

Hi, I'm Adam Rippon, and this is Intrusive Thoughts, the podcast where I finally say the stuff out loud that's been living rent free in my head for years. From dumb decisions to awkward moments I probably should have kept to myself. Nothing's off limits. Yes, I'm talking about the time I lost my phone mid flight and still haven't truly emotionally recovered from that. There might be too many sound effects. I've been told to chill. Will I Unclear, but if you've ever laid awake at night cringing at something you said five years ago, congratulations. You found your people. Intrusive Thoughts with Adam Rippon is available now wherever you get your podcasts.