Growing Through It

Summary

Barely Famous Podcast – "Growing Through It"

Host: Kail Lowry
Guest: Isaac (Ike) Knight
Date: June 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Barely Famous dives deep into Kail Lowry's evolution as a public figure, mom, and businesswoman, examining the challenges of growth, boundaries, transparency, and personal change. Co-hosted in parts by her partner, Ike Knight, the discussion is open, raw, and often unfiltered, covering everything from struggles with chaos and privacy, to parenting philosophies, personal regrets, and the complexity of living a vulnerable life online. True to the show’s promise, Kail explores “uncomfortable” territory with honesty, humor, and her trademark self-awareness.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Myth of Calm, the Reality of Chaos

• [03:10] Ike asks: “Do you feel like you're entering a calmer phase of life or just a different kind of chaos?”
  Kail: “I don't feel any ounce of calm right now. 2026 has surpassed the mess of 2025, so things are not calm in any way… We are in the trenches.”
  • Kail describes life as perpetually busy and “in the trenches,” especially as both a public figure and the matriarch of a blended, large family.

ADHD, Medication, and Daily Functioning

• [03:43] Medication, especially Adderall, provides clarity:
  “My Adderall and being medicated… that was the only calm in the storm. Life is easier when I’m medicated… I need to be focused because there’s a lot of things I have to pick up."
• [04:16] Ike: notes, “You actually being a lot more in tune with the operation… allows you to open up your eyes and see things in a clearer mindset.”

Body Acceptance & Cosmetic Temptations

• [04:36 - 05:30] Kail discusses insecurities over her nose and the decision against cosmetic surgery.
  • "I get called Miss Piggy a lot, so I briefly thought about thinning out the bridge of my nose... but you can't undo a bad nose job."
  • “Ultimately, I came to the conclusion I don’t need a nose job. So, yeah, I’m pretty much perfect. So there’s nothing else.” (Mock arrogance, tongue-in-cheek.)

Parental Imperfection and Forgiveness

• [05:41] Kail reflects on the inevitability of making mistakes as a parent:
  “Having seven kids... every single aspect of parenthood... is trial and error… I don’t know that it will ever be possible for parents to raise children that are not traumatized by something.”
• Openly discusses the guilt and learning that comes with being a parent to many, acknowledging that even well-intended actions can have negative consequences.

Dealing with Critique and Public Intrusion

• [08:16] On advice she used to ignore:
  “You can’t pour from an empty cup… I have been selfish. I think all parents and all people across the board have to be selfish in certain aspects of their lives…”
• [10:01] Admits she doesn’t do her own laundry and the small acts of “self-care” that matter.

Drawing New Boundaries

• [10:46] “The names Joe, Javi and Chris, I would like for them to not be in my vocabulary anymore. I would love to never mention them again. But because I live a public life... I have to take accountability because that has been my storyline from the beginning... that is all people know to ask me about.”
  • Kail discusses the struggle of moving past relationships and how public scrutiny is hard to dodge, especially when the audience is trained to associate her with past partners.

Privacy, Control, and Navigating “Outed” Relationships

• [16:34] Kail: “I would have probably announced that I’m in a relationship, but I kind of was hoping to leave it at that… I wanted my relationship with you to basically be known, but private. And that’s not how it happened.”
• [18:38] The impact of Javi (her ex) publicly outing their relationship:
  “I liked my little bit of privacy… When that hit the fan, it just brought me back to all the madness and the chaos.”
• [19:41] Ike: “There was no extra stress… except what was to eat.”

Growth, Conflict, and Rebuilding

• [21:48] Ike: praises how they learned to regulate together amidst chaos:
  “This is something that… could be challenging for both of us, but we’ll come together and… collectively get through this.”
• [22:18] On ‘Controversial Kail’ returning:
  “In 2026, controversial Kail is back… But now I’m controversial for the wrong things—back to the conversations about the baby dads… I wanted to talk about [racism, implicit bias], that’s more so what I meant… that is not how things are going.”

Online Negativity and Protecting Mental Health

• [24:12] Ike: “How are you able to cope when you're like, this never happened, or this is false?”
• [25:28] Kail: “For a good two years… I was not feeding into any of this… now I’m scrolling and I’m engaging in all the negative.”
• They discuss strategies for cutting screen time and retraining algorithms to avoid toxic online content.

Parenting Rules & Real-Life Application

• [32:42] Rules Kail ignores:
  • Lets kids have soda.
  • Allows multiple boxes of cereal open at once.
  • Doesn’t force kids to finish meals if they’re not hungry.
• [34:02] Past experiment with letting kids swear openly:
  “If I let them cuss… they’re desensitized to it, so they probably won’t do it… That backfired. They were cussing all the time… I don't recommend.”
• [36:13] Now stricter about gaming and iPads; TVs are less restricted.

Identity, Example, and Growth for Her Kids

• [39:42] "I want [my kids] to understand I have made mistakes…I want them to know they are allowed to form their own opinions, and… don’t have to operate solely off of where I stand on certain things."

Evolving Boundaries & Teamwork

• [40:35] Building boundaries, especially regarding people in the house and being more involved (and less delegating) with her business.
• [43:35] Feels now she works “with” her team and not just they “for” her. “Now I feel like I’m working with my team, and my team is not working for me.”

On Saying "No" & Protecting Herself

• [47:00] “I’m working on saying no… I can’t help you. Here are some resources…”
• Discusses people treating her like a “loan officer” for money.

Changing Needs in Friendship

• [48:11] No new friends, just focusing on growth with existing ones. Group chats are for business ideas, not gossip.

Work, Mental Health, and Burnout

• [50:01 - 51:32]
  • Primary work stress is food timing.
  • Burnout manifests as compulsive online engagement instead of reading/self-care.

Persistent Public Misconceptions

• [52:00] “Something people think about you that's completely wrong? That I sleep around. Like, I literally have kids with half the people I’ve slept with.”
• On regrets: Wishes she learned sooner that not talking about things means producers can’t force it into storylines.

Lifestyle Choices: Laundry is Non-Negotiable

• [52:48] “I pay someone else to do my laundry, and I have for several, probably more than five years... I would sell my body on the corner to not have to do my laundry ever again.”

Location, Career Impact

• [58:46] Acknowledges her career would be even bigger if she lived in LA or another media hub, but she prefers suburb/country life.
  • “My career doesn’t fit in Delaware… but I’m not a city girl.”

Protection, Parenting, and Race Conversations

• [60:44] She becomes much more protective as a mom given her multi-ethnic family, raising Black and Hispanic children.
  “I have to have these hard conversations with them… especially with the ICE raids and the blatant racism… I’m still undoing implicit biases that I had growing up.”

Giving Back Quietly

• [68:30] “In 2025, I funded an inner city football program… And honestly, I’ve done Barely Famous givebacks for Christmas for the past four years…out of my own personal money. That’s not money that I raised, that’s not profit from my company… Just balance the narrative.”
• Proud of "clear the list" efforts for teachers and Christmas sponsorships; feels most of her good deeds are ignored by media.

Real Success & What She Protects Now

• [72:00] Success now is running her business smoothly and regaining some privacy, versus the past where success meant business independence.
• [73:40] Now quietly protects even those who've wronged her:
  “There are two people in my life that have done very foul things to me recently… and I have not shared that. If it came down to it… if y’all knew what they did… you would not be able to pick up your jaws off the floor. But I just know in my heart of hearts… karma will karma, and I don’t need to do anything. That’s growth, because five years ago, Kale would have blasted this everywhere.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There’s nothing calm about Kale Lowry, LLC.” (Kail, [03:13])
• “Even though I have seven kids, I’m doing everything for the first time, right?... every single aspect of parenthood... is trial and error.” (Kail, [05:41])
• “You can’t pour from an empty cup… I think all parents across the board have to be selfish in certain aspects of their lives, because if they don’t… they cannot pour into anybody else.” (Kail, [08:16])
• “I’m working on saying no… I cannot help you. I think people in my life look at me as a loan officer… and I don’t know you from a can of paint.” (Kail, [47:49])
• "I want them to understand that they are allowed to form their own opinions, and they're allowed to come up with their own thoughts." (Kail, [39:42])
• “I don’t have anything in my life that I did that I’m like, Oh my God, I regret that so much… It does not consume me.” (Kail, [52:55])
• “I have seven kids and I have a full team now that also depend on me and the success to be able to do make their world go round.” (Kail, [67:39])
• “If it came down to me telling a story or them telling a story, you guys would believe them over me... but I just know... karma will karma, and I don’t have to have a hand in it.” (Kail, [73:40])
• “I would sell my body on the corner to not have to do my laundry ever again.” (Kail, [52:48])
  (A bit tongue-in-cheek, emblematic of her candid humor.)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:10 – Chaos vs. calm in Kail's life
• 04:36 – Body insecurities and the decision against a nose job
• 05:41 – Parenting as a perpetual “first time”
• 08:16 – Realizing you “can’t pour from an empty cup"
• 10:46 – Drawing boundaries about discussing past relationships publicly
• 16:34 – The challenges of keeping her private relationship private
• 22:18 – Return of “Controversial Kail” and shifting what controversy means
• 24:12 – Coping with rumors and negativity online
• 32:42 – Parenting rules broken: soda, cereal, meal completion, and cussing experiment
• 36:13 – Stricter approach to gaming and device use
• 39:42 – Raising kids to be independent thinkers
• 43:35 – Teamwork and being more hands-on in her business
• 47:00 – Saying no, especially when it comes to money
• 50:01 – Stress triggers and burnout for Kail
• 52:48 – Laundry: the luxury she’ll never live without
• 58:46 – Effects of location on career and success
• 60:44 – Protectiveness as a mom to Black and Hispanic children
• 68:30 – Pride in behind-the-scenes charitable giving
• 73:40 – Quietly protecting those who’ve wronged her as a mark of personal growth

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Episode Tone & Style

The episode is classic Kail: frank, vulnerable, sometimes irreverent, but always self-aware. She’s equally quick to joke about never doing her own laundry as she is to reflect deeply on issues of race, boundaries, trauma, and growth. Ike brings lightness, gentle teasing, and an ability to ground some of the more emotionally charged confessions with humor and understanding.

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Summary

"Growing Through It" is a candid portrait of Kail Lowry at a pivotal point—balancing personal growth, public scrutiny, and the nonstop realities of a big, blended family. If you want an honest look at the mess, magnitude, and meaning of Kail’s modern life (plus the rules she’s breaking, mistakes she’s owning, and boundaries she’s building), this is essential listening. You’ll find yourself laughing, empathizing, and reflecting on both the weight—and necessity—of growing through it.

Transcript

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[Kail Lowry]

I'm Kiana and I leveled up my business with Shopify. Once I figured out that Shopify was a thing, I never turned back. I can create a site with my eyes closed. Shopify thinks ahead of us, you know, and it thinks about the customer more than anything. Every day I'm thinking about some other new business, but Shopify is doing it to me because it's so easy to use. It's like, I can't stop. I'm addicted.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

To start your free [e-mail].

[Kail Lowry]

okay, guys, we're back. You asked for it. And we're delivering. Killer is going on tour. We're super excited for the fatherless behavior tour. 23 cities, three countries, all in one summer. And you guys can check out tour dates and see if we're coming to a city near you on killlowry.com. and if you want early access to information and announcements, head over to Patreon because you might get it before everyone else. Welcome to the show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale, and you're listening to Barely Famous. Hey, welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous podcast. I'm sitting here with Mr. Ike night in. Welcome to the show.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Welcome to my show. And I do have a couple questions for you.

[Kail Lowry]

Okay.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

And hopefully you are able to provide us with magnificent answers.

[Kail Lowry]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

So tell us a little bit about yourself.

[Kail Lowry]

Actually, Isaac, please shut up.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I'm shutting up. Yeah. Immediately.

[Kail Lowry]

Alessandra goes.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah.

[Kail Lowry]

And that's how we like it. Yeah. Yeah, I know.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I'm gonna shut up. I'm gonna shut up.

[Kail Lowry]

I'M gonna shut up.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

You got it?

[Kail Lowry]

Okay, let's go. Let's keep it going.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Let's get it going. So I do have some questions for you, and here are. We'll. We'll start it off. E. Not easy. Like, light. Do you feel like you're entering a calmer phase of life or just a different kind of chaos?

[Kail Lowry]

I don't feel any ounce of calm right now. 2026 has surpassed the of 2025, so things are not calm in any way, shape, or form right now. We are in the trenches. There's nothing calm about Kale Lowry, llc.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Are you able to provide just an example, an example of why. Why you're on your ass in 2020?

[Kail Lowry]

No, I can't.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

All right. What feels easier than it used to be?

[Kail Lowry]

I'll tell you one thing that is a silver lining in all of the madness is that my Adderall and being medicated, that was the only calm in the storm. And I think that's a lot easier for me to manage. I see how chaotic my life was off meds. As if it wasn't chaotic enough, my brain was also chaotic. And so that is one silver lining. Life is easier when I'm medicated. And by medicated is I just have adhd, so I am medicated. I'm doing much better with my meds. I need to be focused because there's a lot of things that I have to pick up, and I need to kind of get my ducks in a row.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

So I also think you actually being a lot more in tune with the operation, it allows you to open up your eyes and see things in. In a clearer mindset. You know, Instead of putting 5% into this and 5%, you know, you're actually able to focus and do more. What's something you used to think you'd fix about yourself that you've accepted instead?

[Kail Lowry]

My nose. I get called Miss Piggy a lot, so I briefly.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Well, they probably say that because you got that ham on that ass.

[Kail Lowry]

No, it's my nose. Oh, sorry. So I thought about thinning out the bridge of my nose right here because this is like. So if I thinned it out a little bit, and then it just makes me really nervous because, like, I already had my double chin cut off. I do get Botox, so, like, it's probably best that I don't touch my nose, because you can't undo a bad nose job. And even the best rhinoplasty surgeon in the world could it potentially give me results that I'm not happy with like, what if.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

What if your nose was, like, too pointy?

[Kail Lowry]

Well, so one of the common thing. One of the common things that happens is that sometimes, like, the snouting that I have, like, where it is, like, up, like, tilts up, that gets worse with a nose job. And so that is what my biggest fear was, that ultimately I. I came to the conclusion I don't need a nose job. So, yeah, I'm pretty much perfect. So there's nothing else.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Oh, okay.

[Kail Lowry]

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. That's fine.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

We'll come back to it if need be. What's a mistake you made that secretly made you a better parent?

[Kail Lowry]

Everything. I'm just doing, like, I'm just do. Even though I have seven kids, I'm doing everything for the first time, right? Having my first kid for the first time, having two kids for the first time, having four, five, six twins for the first time, right? Like, everything I'm doing is for the first time. And unfortunately for my children and truly every parent's children, every p. Every person's children, globally, you're doing everything for the first time. Every single aspect of parenthood, mother, father, two moms, two dads, whatever that looks like is trial and error. Even if you have the best upbringing, the best childhood, the best parents, yourself, even when you become a parent in that situation, you're trying something and learning, and you're up and you're learning, and I don't know that it will ever be possible for parents to raise children that are not traumatized by something. So with all that being said, I think every single thing that I do, unfortunately, my mistakes may turn to be trauma for my children in whatever way that looks like, right? Like, having seven kids, right? Like, is very, very challenging. But I tried. I do the best I can. That may traumatize some of my children, right? Like, well, I'm trying to be the best parent I can to four different. To seven different kids. So I think everything.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Okay, I. I know that Elliot has stated, you know, he was like, I never want kids, right? And I've asked Elliot. I'm like, well, why? And he was like, you know, just. Just trying to learn everybody's personality, you know, on top of emotions as well.

[Kail Lowry]

That that's not where it started, okay? Elliot not wanting kids started because he's a germaphobe and he's very disgusted by drool and boogers and snot and even food. Like, if he is talking to an adult and food comes out of their mouth. Or like, he sees chewed food. Like, he's very, very disgusted by that. That's where it started.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Okay.

[Kail Lowry]

Yeah. So I don't blame him for not wanting kids. Obviously, the older he gets, there's more reasons why he doesn't want to have kids, right? Like, yeah, our house is chaotic. He's only gets to see. He only gets. Well, tell him that he only gets to see his sister at his dad's house half the time. He only gets to see our siblings half the time. I actually read a text message that he said to. Sent to his dad that said that, hey, can I please stay at mom's? I really miss Lincoln. Yeah, it killed me. Broke my heart. And so in some ways, I think that that has also, like, added to the reasons. But also, like, out of all my kids, I never pictured Elliot having kids anyway, so, like, it never surprised me. Okay. Yeah.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

What's some advice you ignored that you now understand?

[Kail Lowry]

You can't pour from an empty cup. People say that all the time, and it applies to a lot of things outside of motherhood. You cannot. And so, like, I do get a lot of for, like, being selfish. And at times, I have been selfish. I think all parents and all people across the board have to be selfish in certain aspects of their lives, because if they don't do something for themselves, whatever that may be, it might even be a mistake. But unless they learn the hard way and. And grow from it and learn from it or, you know, do something for themselves, they cannot pour into anybody else. And so yesterday, last night, I mean, you weren't home. You were in another state. And I'm looking in the mirror, I'm getting ready for bed, and I'm like, do I read for myself or do I go see if Elliot wants to hang out? Right? Like, I can't focus on my kids if I don't do something for myself. But last night specifically, I ultimately chose the kids. I could read it another time, but things like that, where it's like, you really can't pour from an empty cup. And I didn't fully understood. I never fully understood what that meant until I was in a situation where it's like giving to everybody else, and then there's nothing left for me.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I mean, I think you give and you give and you constantly give. You make sure everybody else is okay before you check on yourself. And then when it's time for you, time, right? Time for mom time, time for kale time. And if that just involves you laying in bed and just trying to close your eyes, you're thinking, oh, wow, you know, I forgot to, you know, forgot to pack the kids.

[Kail Lowry]

School.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

School lunch. Or I forgot to, you know, take the laundry from the washer and put it in a dryer so you're mine.

[Kail Lowry]

Everybody knows I don't do my own laundry.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Well, you have. I've seen you do it three times.

[Kail Lowry]

Towels.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah, but still. Still, like, you try. You try. It's not like you. In the kitchen.

[Kail Lowry]

I also try there.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

You tried. Yeah, you did. You. You had a solid four days.

[Kail Lowry]

It was a week.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

You did make baked Mac and cheese, but that was the first time.

[Kail Lowry]

Or chicken cutlets. Twice. Chicken cutlets, potatoes and something else. There was a couple days in there.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

You got to get you back in the kitchen, though, because, like, we'll see.

[Kail Lowry]

All right.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Okay.

[Kail Lowry]

Okay.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

But what parts of your life do people assume they're entitled to that you're actually done sharing?

[Kail Lowry]

Honestly, I like, and I've said this so many times over the years, like, truly, honestly. And then something will pop back up and I feel like I need to discuss it and then something else will pop back up and then I need to discuss that. But I'm, I. The. The names Joe, Javi and Chris, I would like for them to not be in my vocabulary anymore. I would love to never mention them again. But because I live a public life and certain aspects are like, that is something that I just need to deal with on my own. I don't. The public does not need to know those things. Like, regardless of how I feel about it and regardless of the resentment that I have towards it, I do not need to explain to the public. I don'. Know what the, what the mental conflict is like. I don't know why I can't just ignore some of those comments about my kids. Dads. Like a. It's. It. It is so annoying to my own self. Like, and I'm not blaming other people. They don't know any different. But to like, bring them. Bring these things up. The other thing, I would say that they're all. They always feel entitled to know what is going on with my relationships. And in some ways I, I have to take accountability because that has been my storyline from the beginning of time on. On 16 and pregnant and teen mom. So when I'm constantly having to talk about them, that is all people know to ask me about. And so I feel like every time I'm like, okay, I'm not going to talk about them anymore, something happens. I have to bring it up. I have to address it. I have to speak on it. I have to. Because that is all people know to act like. It's almost like they were sort of like wired to associate that with me. So they don't even know that they're doing it either. But like genuinely and from the bottom of my heart, like I don't like talking about them and I don't want to talk about them. And I know it's, well then just don't. Easier said than done because we get on live or we get on a podcast and like this certain situation in my life might apply to the conversation about an article about a parents.com, you know, the ma. The parents.com article or like something that comes up on Tick Tock or whatever and then it relate. I can relate it directly to one of my situations. I don't know how to separate them.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Okay.

[Kail Lowry]

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How do you decide what stays private now?

[Kail Lowry]

I mean, if I'm being honest, I feel like I was hoping that your your relationship with me would be private to some degree. Not that I wanted to hide it from social media at any point but like very early on it was outed. I think I'm gonna speak for both of us and you can let me know if you disagree. But like I, I would have probably announced announced that I'm in a relationship, but I kind of was Hoping to leave it at that. Like, I wanted my relationship with you to basically be known, but private. And that's not how it happened. And that wasn't to anything that you and I did, I don't believe. And so because of that, and because of you being in the picture and because, you know, it was an, you know, went public in a very negative way too. I feel like because of that, I'm back to sharing every single aspect of my life. Where I did take probably two years of like being mostly private, not pro. Let me not say private. I've discussed things in a very careful way.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I had like, you censored yourself.

[Kail Lowry]

Censored myself a little bit. But also like my team was helping me. Like, if I was emotionally charged on a podcast episode, they were removing all of those conversations unbeknownst to me. And. And in a good way, I would vent to Lindsay or I'd vent to Becky on a podcast about one of my kids dads, and they would remove it.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah.

[Kail Lowry]

And I didn't know, and I'm so thankful for that. But then when Javi went live and opened up the can of worms about our relationship, it sort of. It's like, okay, well, if it's going to come out anyway and people are going to out my shit anyway, let me fudgeing do it. It's my life. Why are you outing? And so then it becomes, well, now I'm going to monetize. And then I get shit for monetizing. And it's like, well, it's my life and everyone else is exploiting it for me. If I don't do it myself, somebody else will and they'll monetize off my life. So I might as well just do it myself and make money off of it.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

When back in, what was it? May? June? Ish.

[Kail Lowry]

June. When June Hobby went live.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Okay, so we'll. In June. What did you learn about yourself at that point?

[Kail Lowry]

That I don't have a great track record.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

What did you learn, like, mentally about yourself, like, when everything was hitting the fan?

[Kail Lowry]

Honestly, I think the thing that I realized in that moment was like, I liked my. A little bit of privacy. Like, I actually loved where prior to Javi going live, literally, what was it, like, 2024? I guess I'm not gonna say I was completely private. Right. Like people who listen to my podcast, like, I was, I. I talked about things on my own terms, on my own time, and I felt pretty good about that. And so when that all. When that hit the fan, it just brought me back to all the madness and the chaos and, like, all of those things. And so I realized that I actually did like, some level of privacy.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I. I will say, like, I personally, like, I'm a private person for the most part. And the privacy that we had in the relationship at that time before, you know, everything was aired, we were flying under the radar.

[Kail Lowry]

We had a good time.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah, we had a good time. There was no extra stress at all. No stress. I mean, the only stress we had was who was cooking or what was free, what was to eat.

[Kail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

But I think, you know, and I'll answer my own question, what I learned about that, you know, mentally, it was like, okay, well, this is something that, you know, could be challenging for both of us, but we'll come together and we'll talk to each other and be able to collectively, you know, get through this together. Although it may be challenging, but you sometimes not being too emotional, emotionally regulate yourself. And then me trying to emotionally regulate me emotionally regulate you. Correct. It's like, okay, let me try to balance her out. Because if I'm able to balance you out and you're like, okay, cool, then my anxiety goes from up here to, all right, cool, she's regulated now we may proceed.

[Kail Lowry]

I did not handle that live well in real time. Like, I did, but I didn't. Like, I didn't. I obviously didn't address it publicly or anything. And then I. But I was crying. Yeah.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah, you cried.

[Kail Lowry]

That was like our first, like, thing. And it was so early on in our relationship that I was like, okay,

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

did you think it was going to make or break us?

[Kail Lowry]

I've always known you to be pretty private. So I was worried about the kids first because obviously they only, like, the older they get, the more they can see, the more they know, the more opinions they have where, like, when they were younger, they weren't seeing the Internet. And then over time, things get, like, not buried, but they're less relevant. And so, like, I felt like I was in a place where, like, okay, things are pretty calm. And so, like, my first concern was them, like, Lincoln's gonna see this, you know, and then my second concern was like, okay, but now we're back into this, like, huge drama filled thing. And I had worked so hard to, like, leave teen mom and stop talking about the dads on the podcast. And then now I'm with somebody who is mostly private. Yeah, it was. It was just a lot. It was so much.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Well, I want to say, you know, you handled it as best as you could. You know, Also, I think us conversing about what our steps would be also for me at least, you know, help regulate it. To say, you know, this too shall pass. And, you know, how can we grow from this? Do you ever miss full on controversial, Controversial Kale or are you grateful she's kind of retired?

[Kail Lowry]

The one thing I will say now is, like, because I said, In 2026, controversial kale is back. And, like, I joke about it. It's like a. Proceed with caution. Yeah, controversial kill. But I will say that, like, I don't know if regret is the right word, but it's like, I'm not now I'm controversial, but for the wrong things. Right. Like, I thought that we were moving away from the conversations about the baby dads and the conversations about my relationships and the conversations about, you have four baby dads. You suck. Like, you aren't good with relationships. You can't be alone. Like, I thought we were moving away from that. I thought controversial Kale was coming back, but with a purpose. Yeah. I feel like right now in my life, I'm right back in 2022 on Teen Mom. It's surround. Like, I'm on all the T pages. My relationships are being scrutinized. My track record with my kids dads, like, and that is, like, not the controversial Kale that I was planning on bringing back. Like, I was talking. I wanted to talk about, like, my stance on ice. I don't. With them teaching people what I know about implicit bias and racism and white supremacy and things that I've learned from mistakes I made right. In the past. Like, I was reading books. I was. You know, I wanted to talk about that. Those type of controversial things. Like, that's more so what I meant. And that is not how things are going. Do.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

How do you feel when there's this false narrative about you when you open up any social media platform that you have? Right. So I've opened up Tick Tock, and it's been, oh, Kale, she's. Her and Isaac are prepping to have baby number eight. Right. Or are we.

[Kail Lowry]

How's your sperm count going? How many appointments have you been to?

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Zero. Oh, I've never got it checked.

[Kail Lowry]

Okay. Yeah, I've been. How many IVF appointments have I been to?

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

12.

[Kail Lowry]

Oh. So I'm doing my part and you're not doing yours. Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

But it's. It's just, you know, all this when you open up social media and you read all these lies, like, how are you able to cope when you're like, this never happened, or this is false, or.

[Kail Lowry]

But that's part of you.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

You have two other baby daddies out there.

[Kail Lowry]

When I say that my life in 2026 so far has been crazy. I've not been able to focus enough to read my books. And when I'm not reading my books for kale time, I'm scrolling and I'm falling into the trap of commenting on the T pages, arguing with people, looking at things that people say about me. For a good two years, a solid two years before you came into my life, before Javi went live, not came into my life. You've been in my life for a long time, but in a relationship for a good two years, I was not feeding into any of this. Like, this is not. For the past two years, I've worked so hard to channel all of my time and energy into, like, reading books, bettering myself, educating myself to fill my time in a productive way in 2026, even slightly before that, on and off since the live. Right. Like, I know this is so dumb, but, like, the goals I set for the books that I read every year, like, I read more books in 2024 than I did in 25 because of. It started with the hobby live.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah.

[Kail Lowry]

Once that sort of happened and it, like, reopened and, like, 12 steps backwards, I read less books in 2025, which going into 2026 has been awful also. And I'm just scrolling. I'm engaging in all the negative.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

When you're engaging in. In the negative and your comment and you're feeding into all of this shit that people want you to.

[Kail Lowry]

Yep.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

For me, it's easy to just block them. Or for me, it's easy to just keep scrolling like, this is. This is fucking false. Like, where. Where do people come up with these lies or clickbait and things like that? I think, you know, if you're able to find the time and mentally, you know, mentally get. Get in a good spot, I think that's something that we should work on in 2026.

[Kail Lowry]

Not changing the password.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

No. But just less. Less screen time.

[Kail Lowry]

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[Kail Lowry]

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[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Unbelievable.

[Kail Lowry]

Okay, I accepted the offer. They're picking it up Tuesday from the driveway. I haven't even left my chair. It's done. Done. The car is gone. I'm holding a check anyway. Carvana, give it a whirl. Love ya. So good you'll want to leave a voicemail about it. Sell your car today on Carvana.

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[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

What's a parenting rule that you don't follow?

[Kail Lowry]

I let my kids have soda. I'm like, what? A parenting rule that I don't follow?

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah, I'll give an example. For me, growing up, you could only

[Kail Lowry]

open one box of cereal at a time.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

One box. And that box of cereal had to

[Kail Lowry]

be clean before you open another one.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah, something like that.

[Kail Lowry]

We have at least three boxes of cereal open at the same time on every single day. I don't make my kids eat everything on their plate. If they're not hungry, they're not hungry.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I. I used to not be able to get up from the table unless that place cleared. And it didn't matter if I sat at that table for 30 minutes or three hours. You ain't. You ain't moving.

[Kail Lowry]

I think that comes from a place of. That's like financial insecurity and also food insecurity. That's like a very. Like, we don't have that at my house. So I think that that's why I'm able to not operate that way. I do understand where that comes from. It's like people who grow up with not a lot of funds and they're paying for this food. You got to eat it. Like, I do understand that.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Like, there was no options. Today's meatloaf and mashed potatoes.

[Kail Lowry]

You're eating it.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

This is it.

[Kail Lowry]

I'm trying to think of another parenting rule that I, like, don't follow. Okay, let's talk about the kids cussing thing, because you don't know this about me, but years ago.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Here we go.

[Kail Lowry]

I had this theory where I got it from. Couldn't tell you, but I was like, if I let them cuss, they're desensitized to it, so they probably won't do it. It. They'll get it out of their system. Just hear me out, okay? Stop judging me. You're judging.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

You're.

[Kail Lowry]

You're judging.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I' ma shut up, but you're judging. I'm gonna shut up. Go ahead.

[Kail Lowry]

I thought if I let them cuss within reason.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

What. What is the.

[Kail Lowry]

They drop a Stanley on their foot and they say, that hurt.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

That's like the mother load. That's the. That's the big curse word. Not damn. Just having a damn.

[Kail Lowry]

That hurt.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah.

[Kail Lowry]

Okay. You let.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

You're letting them say.

[Kail Lowry]

Just listen, listen. So I'm like, all right, if they're allowed to do it, you know, I think this is where I got it from, the alcohol thing, right? Like, if you let. If you. 21 and now they're in college and they're binging and they're developing alcoholism. I don't know. That's sort of what my mentality was. Because other countries, there's. Their drinking laws are much, much lower, and people are exposed to it, and so they're desensitized more to it where, like, in America, it's like, oh, like, you're hiding it. I'm gon sneaky all the things, right? So I was like, oh, that might apply to cussing. So if I get it out of their system, then they're not going to want to do it, and it's not going to phase them. So, like, they can cuss. That backfired. They were cussing all the time. They were cussing inappropriately. They were calling each other names. They were. I mean, it was bad.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Like, imagine sitting at the table and it's like, hey, Lincoln, pass me that pepper.

[Kail Lowry]

Yeah. So, like, that's essentially what Lincoln and Lux were doing.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Okay. Just free.

[Kail Lowry]

We. Are we surprised by which ones were doing that? Absolutely not.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I mean, I would. I was cursing, like, to my friends.

[Kail Lowry]

Exactly.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Outside of the house, but.

[Kail Lowry]

So my theory was, if I let them cuss at home, they're not going to cuss to their friends.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

How'd that go?

[Kail Lowry]

It completely backfired. So I had to get back on Coffee Combo's podcast and tell Lindsay, this is not going well. I got to take this back. I got to walk this back. Well, let me tell you something. It was way harder to undo it it than it was with my theory of like what it was going to do. It did not work and I don't Recommend. Well, here's 0 out of 5.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Here's a follow up question then regarding that, something you're stricter about now.

[Kail Lowry]

Gaming.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Gaming.

[Kail Lowry]

When I had Elliot, he was a gamer. Not when he was born, but like when he was old enough to have a game. He was a gamer. And he, he did spend a lot of time on the game, sort of. And then I was like, I don't love this. Lincoln has never been addicted to the game. He kind of has like his periods of time where he does, but then he does so many other things that it's like not a thing. It's like not a big deal for him. Lux has adhd, so you have to consider like the dopamine and things like that. And so he's a little bit more like wants to be on the game. Creed never wanted to be on the game until he saw Lux on the game all the time. The meltdowns and the things that I experienced with the game and taking, you know, taking it away, giving it back, taking away. They just don't need it.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

It.

[Kail Lowry]

So Lux doesn't have one. Creed doesn't have one.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Lincoln's barely on his game.

[Kail Lowry]

Lincoln is barely on it. He did get on yesterday with his dad and his cousin and his brother. And I was like, okay, that's fine. But like, Lincoln is barely on it. So I feel like comfortable with that.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I've went upstairs and just check, checked on the kids. They were too quiet for too long. Went upstairs just making sure, you know, everybody's alive and safe. And Lux is laying in his bed and Creed's laying at the bottom of the bed and Lincoln's playing the game with his dad and his brother and everybody's just watching. So that's.

[Kail Lowry]

I don't mind that much if they're watching. But like Lux will also be like when I went in there last night while Lincoln was on the game with his dad. I don't care about them like watching the game. But the other thing is, and I've said this before on coffee combos, my kids had Elliot, Lincoln and Lux had iPads. At one point, before Creed was born in 2018, I bought Lux. Lux was born in 2017. We went to Mexico in 2018 by myself. I took all three kids by myself. And I had gotten them iPads, new iPads for the plane when we got back from Mexico, I let them die, and I never let them use them again. So we don't have. We don't do iPads. My kids don't do iPads. Only Elliot and Lincoln have phones. Only Elliot and Lincoln have PlayStations. And that's something that I really don't with. Now, on the flip side of that, I don't give a about tv. So if they want to watch tv, I don't care.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah.

[Kail Lowry]

So some people are like, well, all

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

screens, what they're watching.

[Kail Lowry]

That's the other thing too, is like, the TV is forever. Like, it's me. You pop up, see Yamada, all the kids. It's like, how, first of all, there's nine of us plus pop up and see Yamada. There's 11 of us sometimes in the house. So how much TV are they really watching? Like, yeah, it's on. It's in the background. You know, the babies might want to watch Spider man or whatever, but, like, kind of like unlimited screen time with the tv, but, like, they're not really watching it anyway, so, like, whatever. And I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else because of the screen time thing, but I'm telling you what, the meltdowns and the first two weeks might be. Hell, I did not. I let them die. And I basically just put them away in a drawer, and they were out of sight, out of mind for my kids. My kids don't ask for iPads. They don't know how to operate them. Like, the younger ones don't really know how to operate them. Like, it was pretty seamless for us because they died. I put them away and they're in drawers somewhere. Yeah. Like, I still physically have them, but it's like they have not asked for them at all. It's like they completely forgot. So if. If that's something that you're looking to do, tell the kids you're going to charge them. Charge them. And then don't charge them. Put them in drawer and never, never have them out again. Okay.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

What kind of woman do you want your kids to see you as an open book?

[Kail Lowry]

Honestly, I want them to understand that I have made mistakes in my life, and I've never, ever, ever claimed to them that I'm always right or that I. My opinion is better than their fathers or my opinion is better than anyone else's. I want them to understand that they allowed to form their own opinions, and they're allowed to come up with their own thoughts. They do not have to operate solely off of where I stand on certain things.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I think you do a very, very good job with allowing kids to. Allowing every child in the household to have their own, I'm going to say, beliefs or thought process and things like that. You. You haven't pushed anything that you are hellbound on onto any of the children. So I think, you know, that's very good for you of a lot. Allow you allowing them to, you know, form their own opinions regardless of, you know, whatever it may be. What boundaries change your life the most this year?

[Kail Lowry]

I'm still working on that.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Okay.

[Kail Lowry]

One of the boundaries that I'm setting right now is, like, people coming to the house, that's been really challenging because people just walk in and out and it's been really hard. That's something. And it's kids. They're good people. Right? Like, they mean well. They're good people. I love them. I want them around me sometimes. But, like, our house, to me, feels. It's. It's a lot. I'm not. I won't keep saying it's chaotic because I feel like chaotic can have a negative connotation, but, like, it's a lot sometimes be overwhelming. So adding other people in has been challenging. And like, as much as I would love for someone to stop over when I'm in the middle of, like, bedtime and baths and trying, and as you know, I have to lay with all my kids individually. So it is, it's. It's. And I love it. And I'm not complaining in any way, but it is draining because we're talking about seven kids, so, you know, going through bath time and showers, and then I'm laying with each kid, I'm drained. I don't need someone at my house at 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, 9pm hanging out when I'm trying to do these things.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

We have a whole operation going on.

[Kail Lowry]

Yeah, it's a lot so that I would say. And then also the other boundary that I'm really working on, and I don't know that it's an actual boundary, but all the way up until the end of 2025, I always let my team do a lot of things for me. I would delegate, delegate, delegate, delegate, delegate. And never be in the know about what was going on. It's just kind of like, oh, Kristen will handle it. Oh, Rebecca will handle it. Oh, Alessandra will handle it. They'll let Me know, and maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't, maybe they wouldn't. I'd forget. I wasn't medicated. So it was everybody else handling everything, and I had no idea what the was going on, and it was just hoping for the best. And so the end of December into January into February, specifically, Alessandra and Rebecca have literally. I mean, and Kayla, too. I have to give Kayla her flowers, too, because.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Give the whole team their flowers. Yeah, give the whole team not.

[Kail Lowry]

Yeah, well, I. I name those people specifically because they're the ones that are in, like, my personal life, where, like, I have other team members as well, but they don't know my personal life life. It's strictly business. Alessandra knows my personal life. Rebecca knows my personal life. Kayla knows my personal life. And so I have never known what was going on. I'm talking accounting, my financial advisor. I'm talking about schedules, business relationships with companies that I, you know, that I work with regularly. I had no clue what was going on. And so now that I'm one medicated and two, like, we're just shifting and having better goals, that's changing. Like, Rebecca's literally texting me every thing about my life. Hey, is this okay? Hey, can you approve this? Hey. And I didn't know that before. I didn't know what was being sent. I didn't know if there was communications. I was just hoping that it was being done and just flying by the seat of my pants. And so far, it's worked out mostly.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah.

[Kail Lowry]

I mean, Alessandra made a comment earlier, and she said we were talking about some things, some changes that we've been making. And she said something about working for you. And I looked at her and I said, no, you work with me. And it just doesn't. Now I feel like I'm working with my team, and my team is not working for me. Yeah, they're. They're helping me. They're supporting me. I want to. I want. That's the type of, like, you have

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

a direct line of communication with them instead of having to go through two or three people and then find.

[Kail Lowry]

And then also, maybe I wasn't even doing that. Yeah, wasn't communication. Let's talk about vitamins, because my Valley girl does not play about her vitamins. And because of that, neither do Verse and Rio, which is so nice. Here. Here's something that might keep you up at night. And it's our kids, the first generation, who are growing up on almost entirely processed food, which is so annoying. But that is why Haya exists to give parents a real solution in a market flooded with kids vitamins that prioritized more candy like appeal than actual vitamins. And some children's vitamins on the market today can actually contain up to 7 grams of sugar per serving and are stuffed with artificial additives and petroleum based dyes. But Haya took the opposite approach with zero sugar, zero gummy additives and just clean nutrition. And the crazy thing is that kids actually love them. The taste, the experience, all of it. My kids absolutely have loved to decorate the little jar that comes with your first box. Haya is different because of how thoughtfully it's designed. They took, they looked at what modern kids are actually eating or not eating and then formulated around those specific nutritional gaps, which is really nice. Nice. We're talking about vitamin D, B12C, zinc, folate, all the foundational nutrients that support your immune health, brain function, mood regulation, concentration and the development of strong teeth and bones. But here's the kicker. So Haya products are actually non gmo, vegan, dairy free, allergy free, gelatin free, nut free. They've pretty much thought of everything, which is so nice. And I'm telling you, your kids will love to decorate the little jars. I did just see a themed situation for Haya. The new Spider man movie is coming out. I saw that. I also seen the Lion King version, so you guys can keep your eye out for that. And if you guys want to try Haya for your kids, I've worked out a special deal with Haya for their best selling children's vitamin where you receive 50 off your first order. But to claim the seal you have to go to hayahealth.com famous this deal is not available on their regular website, so go to H I Y A H E a l t h.com famous and get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults. Finding the one can feel impossible. And in today's world, it's even harder. False profiles, inaccurate pictures, incompatibilities, ghosting on dates. Is this sounding familiar? But if you're ready to make the move to a new place, it doesn't have to feel like dating. All it takes is a simple search on apartments.com to find your perfect match. Whether you're looking for a three bedroom condo downtown, a two bedroom duplex in a quiet neighborhood, a cozy studio in a walkable city, or even a single family home in a cul de sac, you can find a place that checks all the right boxes. So whichever stage of life you're in. Settle down in your perfect home by using apartments.com. no more swiping or awkward first dates. Make it easier to get a place that gets you visit apartments.com. the place to find a place who

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

lost access to you because you finally said no.

[Kail Lowry]

Oh, you want me to, like. Do you want me to, like.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

I mean, you don't have to name drop.

[Kail Lowry]

I'm working on saying no. That's something that I started working on in 2025, and it. For a little bit, it was fine, and then I kind of fell back and then I. Now I'm sort of, like, back to saying no. So nobody has lost access to me necessarily, except for, like, when it comes to, like, my finances. I'm saying no to people borrowing money. Somebody recently, over the last, like, four months, reached out and wanted financial help, and I basically was like, hey, I. I'm sorry, I can't help you. Here are some resources that may help you, but I've learned my lesson as far as money goes, and I. I cannot help you. I think that people in my life, like, whether they're super close to me or they're not close to me, but I know them.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah.

[Kail Lowry]

They look at me as, like a loan officer, and I'm talking about.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah, and you don't charge interest. That's the problem.

[Kail Lowry]

Like, I'm talking about people who. It's like they. I'm their fallback plan. And I don't know you from a can of paint.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Now here's. Here's my final question to you before I step up. What do you look for in friends now that you didn't before?

[Kail Lowry]

I don't want any friends any more friends. I'm not looking for anything in new friends. I don't want any new friends. What I'm looking to do with my. The current friends that I already have is to focus more on growth, building each other up, not talking about each other. Kayla, Alessandra and I have a group chat where we send ideas back and forth for, like, business podcast, like, marketing. That is what I want from friendships moving forward. Because, I mean, where do we get talking about each other?

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

No way.

[Kail Lowry]

Like, if I want to talk about somebody, I could go to you. Because you're not in the friend group. Like, you know them, but you're not in the friend group. I can vent to you and be done with it. I'll just be quiet and you just listen. Yeah, I. What? It doesn't get me anywhere by talking about Kayla to Alessandra or talking about Alessandra Rebecca. Like, I get nowhere doing that.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Well, just in general. Right. Because, like, there are a lot of people in life who will just vent openly and then you will be able to see who actually runs and actually talks.

[Kail Lowry]

Okay, but hold on for a second, though, because I do want to mention that sometimes that is not somebody's character and it's who they surround themselves with.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Understood.

[Kail Lowry]

And that is also a lesson in and of itself. You're not going to be your best self if you're surrounded by people who do those things. And so you get kind of dragged into doing those things, and that's not actually who you are. And then, unfortunately, you'll get known for that. But that's not who you are. It was the crowd you were with.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Yeah, it's. You are the company you keep.

[Kail Lowry]

Absolutely. But sometimes it's too late. Like, you realize and you're like, oh, it was these people all along. And now I'm in this friend group. And that clearly is a stark contrast between the two. But now that has followed you over here and people still think you're that way. So that's challenging. Well, thanks for interviewing me.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

Well, listen, it's been a pleasure.

[Kail Lowry]

All right, so I'm picking up where Ike left off. He had to step out. And so I'm going to answer the rest of Yalls questions. For me, the next question in this sort of segment of it is it's the mental health and professional work. What are your current stress trigger triggers? I don't really have any current work stress triggers at this moment outside of, like, if my food gets delivered on time. So yesterday during recordings and today during recordings, my stomach was just growling in the middle of the recordings. And if you've ever had food insecurities in your life, you know, it's really hard to focus when you're hungry. And so. So I was texting the girls in the middle of an interview, like, can we order food now? So it's here. When we were ready for a break. That is my biggest stress right now for work. Personal. It says mental health and personal work. I would say personal triggers, if anyone's curious about that, is just I'm working on my children being less last minute. And so that is a little bit of a stressor only because my. My work life is pretty chaotic with guests and recordings. So we record a couple days out of the month back to back, and then it opens up the rest of my month, thankfully. So during that one week a month when I'm doing the back to back recordings, it's sort of not. I won't say it's chaotic, but there's a lot going on because it's like, okay, there's a guest at this time, and then I eat, and then there's a guest, and then we have to go get the kids, and then we have to film, and then we. So it's. The one week out of every month is very, very filled with things. So at the last minute, it's really hard to, like, like, stop what I'm doing and run a T shirt. We'll make it happen. But it's. It can be challenging. So that's a stressor for me. What does burnout look like for you and how do you catch it early? I would say kind of what I said to Ike while he was still here. Like, the burnout for me is like, I can't focus. Like, I know that I'm sort of being pulled in too many directions. Can't focus. Now I'm engaging in toxic online activity, not reading. And so then I'm scrolling. And I think that is burnout for me. When I've reached. Reached a point where I'm not doing what is best for me and I'm doing things that are kind of sloppy and all over the place that's not really great for me. Random round these. This is the first time I've ever seen these. So thanks, Alessandra and Kayla. What's something people think about you that's completely wrong that I sleep around? Like, I literally have kids with half the people I've slept with. So let that sink in for you. Do with that what you will. Not that I give a If you slept with 20 people. I don't care. I don't judge you. But, like, people genuinely me think that every single male that I've ever been attached to in a picture or that is online or that I knew immediately I've slept with them immediately I have secret baby dads immediately I have slept with every single person, male or female, honestly. And that's really frustrating because it's not fair to those people either. Right? Like, I get so worked up and caught up in, like, I didn't sleep with that person. But, like, it's also not fair to those people because you're actually digging into who they are and you're accusing of them. Them. You're accusing them of sleeping with me. And it's like, it's not that deep. It's not that deep. So that's frustrating. The other thing I would say is just that I'm the villain. I'm always villainized. And I played into it for a long time because that was my pigeonhole for teen mom. So I acted accordingly. And then for some time after, I believed it, so I played into it. And so that's another thing. Do you ever regret being so open on TV and podcasts? Regret is a strong word for me. I don't really have people ask me about my regrets a lot. Like, what is your biggest regret? Regret, Regret. Maybe I look at regret differently than other people. There are things that I wish I did differently, but it doesn't consume me. Like, it does not. I don't wake up thinking about, oh, I shouldn't have done that. You know what I mean? Like, if you ask me and I have a minute to think about it, I might have some ideas of, like, what I could have handled better, what I shouldn't have done or said. But, like, I don't have anything in my life that I did that I'm like, oh, my God, I regret that so much. And I dwell on it and it consumes me and it takes over, like, most of my thoughts. Like, I just don't have that. The closest thing that I could say about regret regarding TV and podcasts is when I was on tv, on reality tv, especially in the early years, I did not know that I could just not talk about something and then I would never have to film about it. And so towards the end of my run on reality television, that's where I started to kind of butt heads with the producers and the directors and things like that, because I didn't want to talk about those things and I was forced to talk about them because if I even slightly mentioned it in any way, shape or form now it needed to be an entire story arc now it needed to be discussed. And now we're going to discuss it for three episodes back to back, and then we're going to still talk about it more after that. And so the closest thing I will say is to regret is that I guess I just wish that I never mentioned it at all. I wish that I never spoke about it even briefly or in passing or anything. Because the way that reality TV works is, like, they look for stuff like that and then they hone in on it, and then that's the story arc for the next three episodes. But I didn't know what I didn't know. I didn't know that if I just didn't say a single word, I just kept my mouth shut, I wouldn't have to talk about it. Because if I didn't talk about it, then they didn't know about it. And so that's the closest thing I can think of for regret. And then as far as podcasts go, the closest thing I can get to regret. And I think regret is a strong word. Probably anything I've vented about on my podcast regarding Javi and Lauren before my team started editing things out to. To protect me, to protect the kids, to protect the kids, dads, to avoid the conflict, to avoid the fighting and things like that. I just wish that I never went there. It just like, wasn't necessary, didn't get us anywhere. It didn't hurt or help my ratings in any way. So a lot of times people. People are like, she has to talk about them to get ratings. I think I get more ratings when I don't talk about them because people want to know what. What's going on with us outside of those relationships. They've seen it. They have seen all of it play out on tv and like, I don't know, like, I don't need to talk about them for ratings. And so it was more so like a. Like a verbal diary trauma dumping. And it just wasn't necessary. What's one luxury you now refuse to live with? Probably doing my own laundry. I pay someone else to do my laundry, and I have for several. Probably more than five years. I know that that is a luxury that I will never like. I would sell my body on the corner to not have to do my laundry ever again. Because, I mean, you're. We're talking about if it. Because I don't do Ike's laundry. That's one thing. I don't. And I don't pay for his laundry to get done. He does his own laundry. So we're talking about me plus seven kids. That's eight people. I'll sell my body. 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[Kail Lowry]

Are you happier living somewhere quieter versus chasing bigger cities? These this one's hard because my career doesn't fit in Delaware and I would have been way more successful somewhere else. Louisiana, Dallas, maybe even Miami, Louisiana. I would have been so much more successful for a lot less money. Right? Because the people and the resources would be available to me right there. So yes, I would probably pay more in childcare and housing, but I would pay less on the work front with like podcasting and stuff. So a lot of the bigger podcasts that you guys are familiar with, they're in studios with their networks, right? So Podcast one backs Killer Network and so they are in la. If I was in la, I could use their studio for free. I wouldn't have to pay for this space. I wouldn't have to. You know, in 2024 Alessandra and I were all over the nation for Barely famous podcast in 2024 and so I wouldn't have had to do that because in bigger cities people are doing press runs. So we wouldn't have had to spend money on spaces in LA or New York or Dallas for those things. And so my career that exploded from us traveling in 2024 would probably have exploded far before that if I had the resources available to me. I also don't think I'm a city girl, so I, I do prefer like a. More like suburb life or like a country life a little bit. But I know that there are some, there are some places like that in la and so I, I think that my. I probably would have made a lot more money than I have if I lived in a bigger city. Because. Because I think I would have spent. If I had to guess, I probably have spent more trying to make this work from where we are at and traveling. I spent more. Yeah, yeah, Alessandra was. She's not on a mic, but she basically said like the people would be in those bigger cities. I would have the resources there. Right? So, like, for example, I'll use Trisha Paytas. Like she lives in California. People are more willing because they're already there for press runs, they're already there for red carpets, they're already living there, they're working there, they're traveling there. So she probably has way more, More. Way more options, I would say, for booking or more like nobody's flying into Philadelphia airport and then driving an hour and a half to Delaware and recording for an hour and then leaving. Like, that's a lot where like you could travel to LA and you could do so many press opportunities within the same area, within the same trip. You come to Delaware, there's no other press opportunities here. So that's been really, really challenging. So like, if you live in LA or you live in New York, you're gonna frequent, frequently be asked to attend these things. And you're building a regular and, and frequent relationship with, with your agents, with your whatever, because they're there. And I know it's like first world problems, right? But what's a random daily habit that keeps you sane? I don't even need to answer that. Just. Oh, yeah, I forgot. I forgot ghost energy drinks. That keeps me sane. And it's not even because I need the caffeine. I just like the taste and the carbonation. So do you feel more protective or relaxed as a mom? Like, lately this one is a little tricky because some of my kids are Hispanic and so I feel very protective over them. Especially with the ICE raids that are happening and the blatant racism and treating Hispanic people specifically through all of this is like, we're not talking about ICE raids on people from Europe, immigrants from Europe. We're talking about ICE raids to target people who are Hispanic and, or, and, or who look Hispanic. And so my kids have Hispanic last names. And then, you know, Lincoln is second generation born here. He's a. Javi was the first generation American. His parents came over from Guatemala, and so specifically him. But also Elliot, because Rivera can be. You know, just because he's from Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States doesn't mean that he's necessarily protected. They're still sort of looking at Puerto Ricans the same way as they are looking at Mexicans, Guatemalans, anyone who kind of fits that description. And so in that way, I'm more protective because I have to have these hard conversations with them. And then further, I have to have hard conversations with my children who are black. And so it's two separate things, but sort of one in the same. Like, you have to be careful because you guys are black and brown. And I wasn't always this knowledgeable. And I'm still learning and I'm still undoing implicit biases that I had growing up. I'm still undoing all of the things that, I mean, you've. You guys have watched it on Teen Mom. You've heard comments that I've made that I didn't even realize were racist. And so, so I'm acknowledging that, and I'm seeing what other people were already understanding. I'm seeing that. And so in those ways, I'm more protective of my kids. I want them to be in the know. I want them to know their rights. I want them to be careful when they get. Especially with Elliot driving now. He gets pulled over and they see his last name is Rivera. That's terrifying to me. I have to have these hard conversations because if I don't, who will? I don't know what their dads are talking to them about. I'm very protective in that way in terms of, like, an everyday life, not regarding race and ethnicities and ice and those types of things. I'm pretty relaxed, I feel. Do your best in school. Get good grades. Do what you have to do so you can do what you want to do. And by that I mean, you know, Lincoln's in Spanish club. Do your Spanish club. Do your stuff. That was willingly. Right? Like he wanted to do that. But you're not going to just not show up because you don't feel like it. Like, you signed up, you're going to participate. You do sports, you signed up. You have to commit to it for the end of the se. Until the End of the season, if you never want to go back, fine. Elliot is, you know, ASL club, drama club, taking ASL classes at home. Separate from that, he's learning how to drive all those things. Things like do what you have to do so you can do what you want to do. But outside of that, like, if your homework's done, you read your book, whatever, I don't give a. If you go watch TV for two hours. Like, that doesn't bother me. So, yeah, I would say it's like a mix of both. Something you stopped doing this year that changed everything. When I got the news that Hobby was moving and that Lincoln would be staying with me for the school year, we had to change the entire structure of my job and my career. 2024, before, anytime I didn't have Lincoln, I was gone. I was not home. I was not. And. And there was some days that there was overlap. Not a whole lot, but there were a couple days where it was like, okay, I'm still on a trip. I'll be home tomorrow. But I got the kids back, and I'm not home until tomorrow. So I think that changed everything for me. We got this content house. We have to bring guests here. It's been very challenging to get guests to come here, Making the shoot days a little bit more complicated. Um, we've made it work, but not without hardships, obviously. Would you ever take a step back from podcasting if life needed it? No, unfortunately. This is my job. This is how I get paid. This is how I feed my kids. So there is no way that I would be able to stop podcasting in any way unless I had. So it says if life needed it. Well, if life needed it, I would need another job. So in theory, I could quit if I had another. Like, another option that paid as well as podcasting, because that's the other thing. In theory. Theory, I could quit podcasting and go get a corporate job. That corporate job is not going to pay me what this pays me. I have seven kids and I have a full team now that also depend on me and the success to be able to do make their world go round. So, no. Maybe if I got enough shows on the network that were like, I was running the network, and then it was like, I don't need my own shows. Yeah, maybe in that way, but I don't know. What does success look like to you now versus 10 years ago ago? 10 years ago, this is what I would have wanted. This would have been success to me. Like, if I think back to Kale at 23. And. And you guys were like, oh, what does success look to you? I'd be like, oh, like, I'd run my own business, and I could quit teen mom, and I'd have my family and do all the things. And now success looks to me like the goal is for my business to run more smoothly moving forward and to go back to sort of being slightly more private. That looks like success to me, where I can have the best of both worlds. I have my podcasting company, and then I also have some privacy in the nicest way possible, like giving you guys what you want, but also maintaining some things that just need to stay home. And within the walls of my home. What's one thing that you're secretly proud of that nobody talks about? In 2025, I funded an inner city football program. All their uniforms, you know, pretty much whatever they needed to get the season started, I funded it for them. And I'm really proud of that because my kids didn't end up playing for them. So it was something that I still wanted to do even though my kids were not. Were not playing for them. And in the past, I've only really funded the teams associated with my kids. And so this was really cool for me to be able to do that. For kids that are not. I'm going to cry. Kids that are not privileged like mine. My kids are very privileged, and they don't even recognize how privileged they are. And. And being. It does come with a price tag. Like, there are things out about my life and my personal life that my kids have to pay the price for, unfortunately. But these kids that I funded have nothing to do with me or my kids or anything. And so, you know, if. If I could fund them to play sports, I want to do it. You know, I can. I. I remember being a single mom and not having the extra funds to do things. Just when I first started going to check it out to see if Lux would play, I remember seeing some of the moms and just remember, like, I don't know what their financial situation was, but, you know, if. If this was the first time their kids got to play a sport because a lot of it was funded by someone else, I want to do that for them. There's so much talent in kids that grow up in poverty, and they'll never have the chance to. To show their talent and do things because, you know, their family is busting their asses trying to make ends meet on a regular day. They don't have hundreds of dollars to dedicate to them playing Football or them running track or them playing soccer. And the shit's expensive. I think Lincoln's last soccer, this new soccer team that he's on is, was like two grand or something. It's like these inner city kids that have parents working so hard and barely making ends meet will never be able to do something like that. And so I want to do more of that in. And honestly, I've done barely famous givebacks for Christmas for the past four years. And that's thousands of dollars out of my own personal money. That's not money that I raised. That's not, you know, profit from my company that I can afford to just give that is from my personal bank account. That's not a business expense like truly. And nobody has ever really talked about my give backs right. Like they talk about a lot of the, that my bad decisions. And then I think it not this past Christmas, but the one before that. I let my kids pick the families. So with that meant that they had to read their stories, they had to read the submissions of, you know, what their life looked like. And so for me that I was really proud that I could show my kids that other, other families do not have Sometimes, you know, the, the things that I have and I'm. I am able to afford my kids and nobody. I don't, I don't think there has ever really been press around any of my give backs at all.

[Becca Tobin]

All.

[Kail Lowry]

And no, I don't need the, I don't need the. To Alessandra's point, if you guys can't hear her, she said it's about balancing the narrative. Yes, I'm aware I have a really shitty track record. I'm very aware that I have not been perfect in any of my relationships with my kids, dads. But I also do a lot of good. I had, you know, the scholarship at DSU for sophomores and above to apply because a lot of times freshmen, freshmen already have funding or scholarships. But what about the upperclassmen? So I had that and then four years of give back give backs for Christmas. Every single year for the past six, seven years, I've done clear the list for teachers where I clear as many lists as I possibly can. And we're talking about the clear the list and the Christmas stuff. We're talking. That's. They're, they're not very far apart, right? Like August clear the list and then November, Christmas, what was that like three months. So I'm doing thousands and thousands of dollars out of my personal pocket to try to help people. And I Don't need the credit for it, but, like, just balance the narrative. Like, that's, you know, nobody talks about that. And, you know, one year, we did all the podcasts, got together and did the give back so that we had more money. And again, this is from our personal funds. Like, this is not. I think we did one year. We did one where people could donate to help. We. We had a set amount, and then people don't asked to donate, so we opened it up for them. Okay. But it was. That was in addition to my personal stuff, and so that's been. I. I'm really proud to be able to do that because I just think about, like, would Susie have put me in basketball if someone else paid for it? You know, like, just little things like that. And so I, you know, even If I had 500 to, you know, put towards a program, I'll do it. You know, whatever. Whatever that looks like. Last question, and it's the season I'm in right now. And this says, what are you quietly protecting right now that you wouldn't have protected five years ago? There are two people in my life that have done very foul things to me recently with. I would say within the last year or two years. I mean, I'm talking so foul that most people would never recover from it. And I have not. I have not shared that. I've not shared what they've done to me. I've not shared what I. I like, if you're gonna do me dirty, make sure your hands are clean. Right? Like, I wouldn't have protected them five years ago. Kale, five years ago, would have immediately. Alessandra said it earlier today. Five years ago, I would have immediately jumped on the Internet, jumped on stories, jumped on Tik Tok, jumped on Facebook, talked about it on Teen mom, the things that they did. These are two people that you guys would probably never guess. Yes, these are two people that you guys trust. These are two people that you guys believe over me. And. And I have put on a pedestal. And no, it's not people that I've referenced recently in regards to putting people on pedestals. But if it came down to it today when this episode airs, if it came down to me telling a story or them telling a story, you guys would believe them over me. And if y' all knew what they did and what type of people they really are, I don't think y' all would pick. Pick up your. You would be able to pick up your jaws off the floor and quietly protecting people who have done me so dirty. But I just know in my heart of hearts, I genuinely believe that they're going. Karma is going to karma and I don't have to have a hand in it. It's going to happen to them regardless. Karma will karma. And I don't need to do anything. I don't need to badmouth them. I don't need to tell the story. I don't need to do any of that. They will get what they get at some point in their lives, whether it's now or 20 years from now. And so for that, I feel like that's on growth, because five years ago, Kale would have blasted this everywhere. And on that note, see you next week. Okay, guys, we're back. You asked for it. And we're delivering. Killer is going on tour. We're super excited for the fatherless behavior tour. 23 six cities, three countries, all in one summer. And you guys can check out tour dates and see if we're coming to a city near you on killlowry.com and if you want early access to information and announcements, head over to Patreon because you might get it before everyone else.

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

At first I didn't think it was real.

[Kail Lowry]

I woke up to this blinding light

[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

and I was transported to another place.

[Kail Lowry]

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[Isaac (Ike) Knight]

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[Becca Tobin]

Hi there, it's Becca Tobin. I am currently the mother of a four year old, which means I have have been through it. But I still have questions and maybe even a few answers. From surrogacy to toddler chaos, I have learned a lot and also not nearly enough. That's why I decided to launch Baby Gang, a six part series from the Lady Gang where I'm getting real about fertility, parenting and all the stuff nobody actually tells you. I'm bringing in some experts for the tough stuff and some other celeb moms and friends for parenting survival stuff. It's honest, it's messy, it's emotional, and yes, we are definitely laughing through it because whether you're in it, thinking about it or just curious, we've got you. So join the Baby Gang wherever you get your podcasts.