
This week Kail is joined by Tik Tok sensation Kylie Pitts. A 21 year old SAHM of an adorable three year old boy that shares her day to day relatable life. Kail and Kylie discuss what it was like being young moms and how the world views...
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Kale Lowry
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry, and you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, Kylie, welcome to Barely Famous Podcast.
Kylie Pitts
Thank you for having me.
Kale Lowry
Thank you for taking your second flight to be here.
Kylie Pitts
I was scared, but I came anyways.
Kale Lowry
It's so crazy to me. So you flew to Houston before and then this is your second flight ever?
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
So you brought Landry first flight?
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
We love that for him. He's gonna be a little traveler.
Kylie Pitts
I hope so.
Kale Lowry
I was so surprised when I walked down and I saw him. I was like, this is so cute. Actually, someone messaged me and was like, I think she's gonna be on your podcast, but make sure you ask about Landry. And then he was here.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yeah. I've never left him before, ever.
Kale Lowry
Are you serious? You've never left him?
Kylie Pitts
I've never left him.
Kale Lowry
That is actually really cute. So do you ever feel overwhelmed then?
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yeah, all the time. But I just. I can't bring myself to leave him anywhere, though.
Kale Lowry
And how old is he now? Three. Three? Yeah. Okay. I also. I have a two year old. I have a four year old. I have to leave my kids for work. But you are a stay at home content creator.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, so. And I only have one, so it's kind of easier.
Kale Lowry
I agree. There was a time where I was traveling with my third son because I had him all the time. And so just like I brought him to every single podcasting, even if we podcasted in Georgia, Texas, anywhere, I brought him everywhere. So I do understand. But hopefully there's a time you do get a little bit of a break. Maybe you and your man can go on vacation.
Kylie Pitts
Maybe one day.
Kale Lowry
I have to know when you started content creating because I was scrolling through your Instagram, not your Tick tock, but I was scrolling through your Instagram and I noticed that he's not really in a whole lot of your content. And I also don't have Elijah in mind. So when you started doing all of your content, did you. Did it sort of just take off and then you told him about it or did you were like, I think I'm going to try to be a content creator. And you had a conversation with him about it?
Kylie Pitts
No, I actually started doing like little videos, but I never took it serious. Like I would just do a couple here and there. A couple of years ago I was actually probably just when I first had Landry, but it was just kind of like just to give me something to do. So I wasn't so bored.
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
And like, he would see me doing it around the house, but then I, like, started taking it. Serious. Serious. And I always had a tripod out and I always had a light out. And then I. I don't know, he just moves around, gets out of the way and.
Kale Lowry
Did he ever ask you about it? Was he like, what are you doing?
Kylie Pitts
I mean, he kind of knew, I guess because, like, I. He would see me editing them and he would just. He didn't ever ask. He knew, like, he knew where it was going, but he just got Tick Tock, like six months ago. Like he.
Kale Lowry
Okay, so I was gonna ask you.
Kylie Pitts
He doesn't even have an account.
Kale Lowry
I was gonna see if you, like, showed up on his for you page. You know what I mean?
Kylie Pitts
He didn't even have a Tik Tok account until I started, like, really kind of getting a lot of traction. Then he was like, I guess I'll download it to see what people are saying and see what you're saying.
Kale Lowry
And so he keeps up with Kylie on Tik Tok?
Kylie Pitts
No, he don't even get on there anymore. Like, he got on there for a little bit and then he's off again.
Kale Lowry
So how do you decide whether you're going to include him or not?
Kylie Pitts
I guess if he gets in the way and gets in the camera and then he's in there. But, like, I mean, if we're out and about, I'll be in there. But, like, if we're at the house, he's usually not in there because, like, he'll see the camera and, like, kind of dodge it.
Kale Lowry
But how did you know how to create content? Because I've been doing this. I, you know, I was on TV for 13 years and then I started Tick Tock. Just. I don't even know why I started Tick Tock. I just did. But I still am not. Like, they gave me. They had to give me a shot list for what I need to get to come to New York. And then while I'm in New York and I still will miss half of the things that I need to get. So what, what are the tips and tricks? Because I need to know. Unless Tick Tock goes away, obviously.
Kylie Pitts
Well, I mean, I used, like, honestly, I don't know. I just feel like I was just made to do it. Almost like, it's just so natural. But I also, when I was little, I would be like, in my bedroom with a little camera and, like a little tripod when I was like 7 years old. And I'd make little YouTube videos. I didn't know how to post them though, so they never got posted. But.
Kale Lowry
But you made them.
Kylie Pitts
But I made them. Yeah.
Kale Lowry
I love that. So you were born in 20 or 2003.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
So you're 11. How. Let's. What's the math on that? Nine years younger than me. So I was. I'm 92. So would you be considered Gen Z?
Kylie Pitts
I think so.
Kale Lowry
Or Gen Alpha Z?
Kylie Pitts
I'm pretty sure it's Z.
Kale Lowry
Okay. So did you even know what Teen mom was?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah. Cuz my mom is a teen mom and we used to watch it together.
Kale Lowry
And her mom's here. For those of you watching, her mom is here. So. Okay. This is so crazy to me because I think of Gen Z is like really young, but really we have a lot in common.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, I think so.
Kale Lowry
Because you have. I mean, you're 21.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
And you have a three year old, so technically you were a teen mom too.
Kylie Pitts
I had him when I was 17.
Kale Lowry
Was he the inspiration behind starting Tick Tock or. Sort of. Or you just did it and it just was a coincidence that it was around the same time that you became a mom?
Kylie Pitts
I think it was really a coincidence because I always like, wanted to, like, I would always film my days in the life, but I would never post them because, like, I kind of really didn't have much going on. Then when I became a mom, I was like, dang, I actually have something going on.
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
Like, I have stuff to do.
Kale Lowry
People are obsessed with you. I cannot tell you, before you came on this podcast, how many people were like, you need to get her on the podcast. And then I think we talked about it.
Kylie Pitts
Really?
Kale Lowry
Oh my gosh. People tag me in your stuff all the time and they're like, get her on the podcast. And I was like, okay. Like, chill out. No, but I love that Instagram is not like Tik tok. I don't feel like I can post the same.
Kylie Pitts
I don't feel like I fit in on Instagram because I feel like Instagram is so picture perfect. Everybody's got to have like the most perfect put together live.
Kale Lowry
Yes.
Kylie Pitts
And I feel like Tick Tock is just all over the place. You can really be.
Kale Lowry
You can cry on that.
Kylie Pitts
You can be yourself on there and nobody cares. But like one wrong thing on Instagram, like, I post the same videos because I do post on Instagram, post the same content. Plus I'm like, I'm on my stories and everything. So I do like Instagram for that. Like, I can actually post More of my stories and interact a lot more.
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
But I'll post like the same video on Tick Tock and I'll post it to Instagram and the comment section is so different. Like, Tick Tock is like, oh, my God, we love you so much. We love you. We're so supportive. And then Instagram is like, oh, my God, your car's a mess. How do you live like this? Or you're cleaning a clean house. What is wrong with you? And I'm like, okay, then whatever y'all say.
Kale Lowry
And then we have Facebook, which is also a free for all.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, I want. I don't post on there.
Kale Lowry
I do post. I'll use the same video and they all perform very, very, like, wildly different. But I. I will also say that I feel like Tik Tok has been so life changing for people and I appreciate that about it because it's like you can be real and raw and get paid for it. Right. Like, I also saw, I think it was on your Tick Tock that you. Did you buy a house?
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
Are you excited?
Kylie Pitts
I am.
Kale Lowry
How far is it from where you live now?
Kylie Pitts
Well, it's actually on like the same piece of land, so we're like on 60 acres. And it'll be like just right across.
Kale Lowry
What? Yeah. How did that. How did you manage that?
Kylie Pitts
Well, we live by my mother in law, so we're like, we're all on a family land on like a little family compound.
Kale Lowry
Okay. So that was my plan for my land. I bought 20 acres of land and I was like, oh, like each kid can have a. A acre. And then Delaware was like, no, you can only build one house on this. 20 acres.
Kylie Pitts
Really?
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, they don't care what we do in Mississippi. We could have 50 houses on there. If we want to say, wait, I.
Kale Lowry
Have to tell you whose accent you remind me of. I said I was going to tell you. Do you ever watch Young Sheldon?
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
Georgie.
Kylie Pitts
Okay, cool. Okay, good. Because I thought you were going to say, like, Tiger King or something.
Kale Lowry
Tiger King, like something crazy. Wait, how's he doing? Should we Google him?
Kylie Pitts
I don't know what he's doing.
Kale Lowry
Let's see how Tiger King is. Imagine I'm like, hey, can you come on this podcast?
Kylie Pitts
I don't know. I hadn't heard of him in a while.
Kale Lowry
Is he out of jail?
Kylie Pitts
I think that he was getting out, I thought. Or maybe that was just like a lie on Tik Tok. I seen. Cuz they, they say a lot over there.
Kale Lowry
As of yesterday, the big Cat rescue fame goes up for sale in Tampa. Oh, Big cat rescue of Tiger King. Yep. Goes up, goes up for for sale. Is that in Mississippi?
Kylie Pitts
Where is that? I don't know where that is.
Kale Lowry
Florida. I don't know about.
Kylie Pitts
I guess I didn't know where it was.
Kale Lowry
Okay. Well, speaking of the hate that we get on Instagram versus Tick Tock, do you ever see hate about showing your son at all?
Kylie Pitts
Not really, because I guess I don't show him much. Not a lot. So I guess I don't really say much about it. Yeah, so not really.
Kale Lowry
I go back and forth with my kids on social media, and I also just don't think that at first, when I started Teen Mom, 16 pregnant, and Teen mom, that wasn't really a conversation, was like exploiting your kids. And once they've been on the Internet for how long, I just. At what point do we pull back? I think naturally, just seeing all the hate comments that other people were getting and understanding, you know, their right to consent and, you know, knowing what they want or don't want, I sort of pulled back naturally. It just, like, wasn't something that I was putting as, like, the forefront of my content. And now I just sort of let them decide if they want to be on it or not. But do you think that you'll show more of him in the future, or do you think that that's kind of.
Kylie Pitts
What I do now? Like, I mean, he's not in a lot of it, but he is in obviously my daily life, and I don't hardly leave him right to do anything. So he is there 24 7, so it's kind of hard to not get him in anything. But, like, if he's. I don't want you to video me, obviously, I don't put him in it.
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
But usually it's not his face or anything. It's him. Like, I'll push him in the stroller, and I have that in my vlogs or something, so it's not much.
Kale Lowry
I hope that you can teach me how to vlog like you, like, before we leave New York. We. I need you to help me because I truly, like, you literally walked in with the tripod.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
So do you just bring it everywhere?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, pretty much.
Kale Lowry
I don't react funny to it.
Kylie Pitts
I don't really get nervous when I'm, like, in other places, but, like, when I'm in my hometown, it's like the population's like, very, very small, so. And they're like a lot of old people or people that don't really know about it. So then they're like, what is this weird girl doing?
Kale Lowry
Wait, so do you feel like you don't really fit in? Do you feel like a fish out of water in Mississippi if it's such a small.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, no, I feel like I fit in.
Kale Lowry
Oh, you do?
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yeah.
Kale Lowry
Okay.
Kylie Pitts
But I feel like I'm just like.
Kale Lowry
I've never been to Mississippi, but I want to do a show on for my Patreon where I can go do wild ass and like record it. And there's this girl, Hannah Barron that does these, like, water things in Mississippi. I think it might be Alabama. Would you ever do anything like that?
Kylie Pitts
Like, what do you mean? Water?
Kale Lowry
She like goes and she like scoops the fish up with her arm.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, hand grabbing.
Kale Lowry
Excuse me?
Kylie Pitts
Yep, hand grabbing.
Kale Lowry
You've done that?
Kylie Pitts
No, I hadn't. But people do it all around Mississippi and Alabama. Like they go underwater and we go do that. You can if you want to get on a snake.
Kale Lowry
A snake?
Kylie Pitts
What if you go and dig your hand in that hole and the snake gets you?
Kale Lowry
I don't think they get Hannah.
Kylie Pitts
Well, Hannah's lucky.
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M I D I dot com. Okay, so your content resonates with so many people because it's authentic, but it's just natural to you.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, it is, but I also feel like, don't really try to do stuff that's like kind of out of your comfort zone. Out of my comfort zone? Like I really am just me.
Kale Lowry
What are you cooking on socials?
Kylie Pitts
Like, what do you mean?
Kale Lowry
I heard that you cook a lot.
Kylie Pitts
Do people say that? Yeah, my husband says I don't cook much at all.
Kale Lowry
Does she cook at all?
Kylie Pitts
I cook, but just, you know, he cooks a lot more, so.
Kale Lowry
But somebody's cooking in the house.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, somebody is cooking at all times. Mostly Colton.
Kale Lowry
But she does cook.
Kylie Pitts
I do cook.
Kale Lowry
So have you made Mac and cheese on. On Tick Tock?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
See? Okay. Then I asked you, you were like, what do I cook?
Kylie Pitts
Well, I mean, I do cook, but I don't know. I guess I don't cook as much as I think I cook. It's just because it's. I guess it's just normal, you know.
Kale Lowry
I can make chicken Alfredo. I tried to make Mac and cheese homemade and it came out like soup.
Kylie Pitts
Did you bake it?
Kale Lowry
I tried. Oh, it was not good.
Kylie Pitts
See, I'm gonna die, so I can't have it right now.
Kale Lowry
Diet.
Kylie Pitts
But. But it is good.
Kale Lowry
Someone told me yesterday to get on Ozempic like an adult.
Kylie Pitts
They in my PO box, they'll send me diet pills.
Kale Lowry
Like, what kind?
Kylie Pitts
I don't know because I throw them away.
Kale Lowry
Don't throw them away. Send Them over here.
Kylie Pitts
I'm scared. They're like, what if it's like, something crazy? And like, I.
Kale Lowry
Wait, you're. You might be too. You might be too young. So when I was 16, you would have been, like, 6. These green tea pills came out, and, like, I was. They came probably from the black market. And we were in high school, and right out of high school, just taking these green tea pills. We have no idea where they came from. Like, that was the thing. And we'd be in the bathroom all day, but we were doing it because we were dying to be skinny. Like, it was just like, well, it.
Kylie Pitts
Was probably getting you skinny if he was in the bathroom all day.
Kale Lowry
Oh, yeah. We had no. No other life. How do you decide what you share versus what you don't share?
Kylie Pitts
I guess maybe. I really don't know, because I guess it just comes natural. Some things I'm like, oh, yeah, I would not put that on the Internet. But there's not much that I don't put out there. Honestly, like, I'm really open book. I just kind of put it all out there.
Kale Lowry
Will you put your move on there with your. Yeah, I love that. So will you rent out where you're at now?
Kylie Pitts
No. Colton's grandparents are going to live there.
Kale Lowry
Stop. That is the cutest freaking idea. So who owns the land? Kelton's mama owns 60 acres.
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
And then you live on it, and then you're gonna move from your house to the new. Are you building it or you're buying it?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, well, where it's being built. But it will be able to be moved to our land since we already have, like, our shop established in our lake and stuff.
Kale Lowry
I love that so much. That's literally. People tag me in compounds all the time, and I'm like, no, that's a dream.
Kylie Pitts
I know. I don't know why they won't let you on Delaware. That's kind of crazy.
Kale Lowry
I don't. I think it's like a farmland thing. But even if I took. Okay, I have seven kids, and then. And then my house. So really, if we have eight houses on 20 acres, one acre a piece, we would still have over 10 acres to keep farming.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, that'd be like a little subdivision.
Kale Lowry
Okay. So do you think that Tick Tock has contributed to the ability to move, to buy a house, to build a house, to do any of those things?
Kylie Pitts
I mean. Yes, definitely contributed, but we were talking about building before I even started Tik Tok, so. Oh, we were going to build last year, so.
Kale Lowry
And what happened?
Kylie Pitts
Well, the market was so crazy and everything, you can't find a builder where we're at because they're so booked out. Like, I guess everybody's trying to build a house right now because we'll be on like the wait list. And the wait list is like a year long, two years long. And then once they start to build the house, then it's still like a year till you get in the house. So then it's like two to three.
Kale Lowry
Years even if you go private. I built my house with a private.
Kylie Pitts
Builder and that's what we were going to do.
Kale Lowry
Yeah. Because I, I have. The house that I built now is on farmland, but it was through a private builder. And I mean they'll give you a time frame, but you actually won't get into it until like six months after that.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah. So it's crazy.
Kale Lowry
But has. So your grandma. Not your grandmother, your grandmother in law, basically your mother in law, does she live on the land?
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
And then what about your mom?
Kylie Pitts
No, my mom lives about 20 minutes away.
Kale Lowry
Okay. That's still not bad though.
Kylie Pitts
It's not bad.
Kale Lowry
And what do y'all do for fun in Mississippi?
Kylie Pitts
Yep. There's not much to do.
Kale Lowry
Cook Mac and cheese.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, that's really it. We cook and that's really it. We have to drive like an hour to go do anything. Like the nearest Target's an hour away. Any if you want to shop, you have to drop an hour or over an hour.
Kale Lowry
Okay. That's sort of similar to me too.
Kylie Pitts
Like we, yeah, we don't have nothing but Walmart.
Kale Lowry
Yeah, the, our Walmart is a good 20, 30 minutes away. So I, I definitely understand that. Do you find that you're seeing comments on any of your socials that are from like mean comments from other moms?
Kylie Pitts
It's usually old men. It's always an old man. Usually moms don't really say much, especially stay at home moms. There is some moms, like working moms that kind of. They're like, oh, you're about to have to get a real job. And well, that's just.
Kale Lowry
But does Tick Tock pay in Monopoly money? Because what else? What is it? But that's also, like you said, that's not going to make or break you if Tick Tock goes away. That's just extra cash flow to you guys. But you're, you know, Colton works.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
And was working before you were making.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah. I don't think people understand that. They think that I quit a job to do Tick Tock. Full time. But I didn't. I never did that.
Kale Lowry
And there are people who did. But even still, it's like, I don't think that people. I don't think that the government, maybe they do, maybe they don't. They don't realize. Or people who are not in the Creator fund or on Tick Tock the way that we are. I don't think they understand how much Tick Tock contributes to the economy in terms of.
Kylie Pitts
I don't think they do small business.
Kale Lowry
And you know what I mean? Just like, in so many ways, truly.
Kylie Pitts
It is because so many small businesses have taken off and they are not small anymore because of Tick Tock.
Kale Lowry
And they'll be like, because of Tick Tock, I have extra funds to donate to the California wildfires. So I've donated thousands of dollars to those wildfire, all those foundations, the programs, the animal rescues, because I was using my Tik Tok money. So I just. Did you see. Have you. Are you a fan of Spencer Pratt?
Kylie Pitts
Who Is that from the Hills?
Kale Lowry
Maybe your mom knows. Your mom might know. Have. Do you know? Did you watch the Hills or Laguna Beach? Spencer and Heidi are.
Kylie Pitts
I seen something about them, but I don't know who they are. Okay.
Kale Lowry
So they were on a show on MTV called the Hills, and I think probably. I don't know if they were on Laguna Beach. It might have been just the Hills. Was it Laguna Beach? Just the Hills? So they were on this MTV show called the Hills, and they were sort of like filmed as the Villains. And people really loved them or hated them, but mostly hated them. And they used all of their money to record Heidi's album 15 years ago. And then their house burned down in the wildfires. Like, burnt to the ground. Ashes, the whole nine. He started this whole thing on Tik Tok, getting people to stream his wife's music to money to be able to, like, get a new house or rebuild their house or whatever. And the album is 15 years old, and it is now number one on the charts and for album and for song. And people are just all over the place with Spencer. You'll have to look him up. But he's so funny.
Kylie Pitts
Wait. I kind of love that, though. He spent all his money to make his wife's album.
Kale Lowry
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I. And I was like, you're his. You're your wife's number one fan. Number one fan. But he's not asking for monetary donations. Y'all already have Spotify and itunes. Like, just play it, and then that helps them out. It's number One. It surpassed all the Bad Bunny's new album.
Kylie Pitts
Now we'll have to go stream it because I don't. I have not even seen that. I did say that their house burned down and it was like a big thing on Tick Tock, but that's it.
Kale Lowry
What do you think has surprised you the most about being a social media influencer?
Kylie Pitts
How the people that are strangers will be more supportive of you than like your friends?
Kale Lowry
Have you have. Have you had friends that are not supportive of you or they're like sort of haters?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, kinda. Not many though, really, honestly. But like, I guess that's when you find out who your real friends are.
Kale Lowry
Oh, I've had people that I considered almost best friends of mine that don't support my content or the things that I do.
Kylie Pitts
Oh yeah.
Kale Lowry
And that's like, what the. You know what I mean?
Kylie Pitts
And then there will be people that used to hate you. And then like they say like, you're actually something now. And then they're like, want to be friends? And I'm like, no.
Kale Lowry
Oh no. My sixth grade bully messaged me. Yeah, I don't know if you remember me. And I said, yeah, I remember when you bullied me. That was my response.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, that's how they are.
Kale Lowry
You don't get to come back and tell me, oh, hey, I hope you're doing well. You.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, basically. And then I gotta get left on red.
Kale Lowry
Wait, when I was 19, I had this bully who went to school with my ex and she messaged me like five years later asking me to sign up for her mlm like situation, like the direct sales. And I was just like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
Kylie Pitts
Did you text direct?
Kale Lowry
I. I don't even remember what the response was to that. I. I think I either just did left her on red or I was like, no, thank you.
Kylie Pitts
I wouldn't even said no thank you. I just sort of blocked her.
Kale Lowry
Do you ever get accused of being a sellout?
Kylie Pitts
No, not really, I don't think.
Kale Lowry
Because look, I haven't seen too much hate. You don't get a whole lot of hate, which is amazing.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, I don't get too much hate. People were mad that I bought my car, but that's it.
Kale Lowry
What kind of car did you get?
Kylie Pitts
Just a Yukon. It doesn't crazy.
Kale Lowry
Me too.
Kylie Pitts
I mean, that's really it.
Kale Lowry
Wait, what color is yours?
Kylie Pitts
Gray.
Kale Lowry
Mine too. It's like I bought it thinking it was black because I did the whole thing over the phone and like online because it was like last Minute. Did you get the XL or the regular?
Kylie Pitts
Just the regular.
Kale Lowry
Okay. I got the Denali. I got it literally the day before I got surgery. Didn't get to drive it for two weeks. But I love it.
Kylie Pitts
Brand new.
Kale Lowry
Oh, brand new. Yeah. And I'm getting. Elijah texted me, was like, what kind of tints are you? Do you want. Because he's going to get tinted out. Tint it for me tomorrow. But I love it. I went from suburban to Yukon, and I. I like it.
Kylie Pitts
I know. I love.
Kale Lowry
So good.
Kylie Pitts
I do.
Kale Lowry
But see, Tik Tok is doing major things.
Kylie Pitts
I know. I think so.
Kale Lowry
And, like, Landry needs to drive in a night. Like, he needs to be in a nice car. I mean.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, he will be regardless of what happens to Tick Tock.
Kale Lowry
Do you feel like Tick Tock has made you out of touch at all?
Kylie Pitts
No, not at all. I feel like my hometown's definitely kind of humbled me because, like, it don't matter how much I could put on on social media. I still live in a tiny, small town. There's nothing to do. Nothing house.
Kale Lowry
How tiny is like, what's the population? Give me a number.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, wow. Oh. What do y'all think the number is? It's tiny.
Kale Lowry
22,000, I believe.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, I don't even think it's that big.
Kale Lowry
My hometown is 4,000.
Kylie Pitts
That's how small it feels. For real. Like, it's. It really is tiny. We have.
Kale Lowry
It's like 5,000. The county is the one that's like 22, 000 in the county.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, that's the whole county, though. The city. Yeah.
Kale Lowry
I don't feel like I give small town vibes, but I think it's because. I don't know. I just don't get. People told me that 4,000 was not small.
Kylie Pitts
That is small.
Kale Lowry
I feel like that's.
Kylie Pitts
That's really small. It don't sound small when you think of, like, 4,000 people, but that is small.
Kale Lowry
The college I went to, I think, had more people than that, though.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yeah.
Kale Lowry
You know what I mean?
Kylie Pitts
I. No, it's a very small town. Like a Mexican restaurant. Two. That. That's it.
Kale Lowry
Really?
Kylie Pitts
Walmart and two Mexican restaurants and, like, one other place. State. That's it.
Kale Lowry
Yeah. Our Red Robin just closed, unfortunately.
Kylie Pitts
Oh. We don't even have that. What. What is that?
Kale Lowry
It's like a chicken place. Chicken and burgers, but it's a chain. Like, we don't have mom and pop restaurants where I live, but I don't live in my hometown. I live in A different. My ex husband was military, so we moved here. And I know I would not be opposed to leaving Delaware, but it is kind of cute. Like, there's no. Whatever, it's fine.
Kylie Pitts
I've never been to Delaware. I don't like. Is there nothing for you?
Kale Lowry
No. Like, if you're gonna go to the beach, you're not gonna pick a Delaware beach. Alessandra's over there shaking her head like, absolutely not. Absolutely not. So who are your favorite content creators or celebrities on Tick Tock?
Kylie Pitts
I really love watching, like, smaller creators. I feel like, like, obviously, like, I love my girl Courtney Mosley.
Kale Lowry
Oh, who's that? Let me look her up.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, my gosh. I love her. She' at home, Mom. She lives like an hour and a half away from me. I love her.
Kale Lowry
So are y'all friends in real life?
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yes, we are. I've had like a little friend group from Tik Tok and like, we are friends in real life now. And like, we got Macy and we got Madison.
Kale Lowry
Y'all could do like, what are the moms of Utah, but in Mississippi.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, Southern. Southern. Yeah, we did something. Southern wives or something. We called it something. I don't remember what we called it, though.
Kale Lowry
Y'all should really do that.
Kylie Pitts
I really want to.
Kale Lowry
Would they do it?
Kylie Pitts
I don't know.
Kale Lowry
Because we're like, she's so cute.
Kylie Pitts
I love her. She is. She's really sweet. But I do like to watch smaller creators too. But I think, like, some of my bigger creators. I love Emily Kaiser. I love Avery woods. And I love Avery.
Kale Lowry
Avery Woods. I don't know. Nobody could make me hate Avery Woods. I don't care. I don't care.
Kylie Pitts
I love her.
Kale Lowry
I don't.
Kylie Pitts
I like how she speaks her mind. She does not care what anybody thinks.
Kale Lowry
And it is. It is sort of like a double edged sword, right? Because you want to be authentic. But if you say everything, then you could get canceled and cancel culture is still very real. And that's where it gets frustrating because it's like, I do think that people can grow from what they say or grow from something they did or. Or said in the past. And I just. I don't know. It gets. It gets really sticky.
Kylie Pitts
It does. Yeah.
Kale Lowry
Yeah. What is your. Who's your dream collab? Dream sponsor?
Kylie Pitts
You know, I really don't know. Maybe like gmc. Honestly.
Kale Lowry
Did you drive a GMC before your gmc?
Kylie Pitts
No, but I love it.
Kale Lowry
I love it. I love it.
Kylie Pitts
This is my first one, but I love gmc.
Kale Lowry
Would be a good Collaboration.
Kylie Pitts
I think so.
Kale Lowry
I love Skims and Good American.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, I do too.
Kale Lowry
I'm trying to think what else I. Oh yeah, that would be good.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, that would. Airline would be good.
Kale Lowry
That would be really good. Not JetBlue though. Said people die on their flights or whatever.
Kylie Pitts
What?
Kale Lowry
They were found in the cockpit, I think.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yeah. But I thought that that was people trying to sneak on the plane that didn't want to like pay for a.
Kale Lowry
Flight and they died.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, because you ain't supposed to be down there or up there or somewhere, wherever that is.
Kale Lowry
That's diabolical. Like, I'm not dying for a flight.
Kylie Pitts
No, it's never that serious.
Kale Lowry
That's why. So you've never been out of the country?
Kylie Pitts
We went to Mexico on a cruise.
Kale Lowry
Oh, okay. So you're out of the country, but I don't think you need a passport for a cruise, right?
Kylie Pitts
No.
Kale Lowry
Okay. I love that. Well, if. If skims or Good American wants to sponsor Kylie and myself, feel free to hit us up. We would absolutely accept. Same for GMC, honestly. I'll take McDonald's as well.
Kylie Pitts
I made me too. Honestly, I mean, I would never try today.
Kale Lowry
I'll take a double cheeseburger, add Mac sauce.
Kylie Pitts
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Kale Lowry
What are your guilty pleasure shows? What are you watching on Netflix, Hulu, anywhere?
Kylie Pitts
I don't watch tv.
Kale Lowry
Me neither.
Kylie Pitts
I don't. I can't get into it, I think because Tik Tok has made my attention span so short, if it's over a minute long, I can't, I can't.
Kale Lowry
I. So I got surgery last month and I'm a reading girly, so I typically read sometimes 10 books a month. It depends on the month. I got surgery, I didn't read for two weeks. Now I can't read. I've been scrolling on Tik Tok so much that I cannot focus when I'm trying to read. So I'm like, what is going on? I could not show to save my life at this point.
Kylie Pitts
No, I couldn't either. I mean, it's honestly that sounds really bad. But even if it is like a 1 minute video, I had to put in the 2x speed to listen to it.
Kale Lowry
Isn't that crazy?
Kylie Pitts
Yes, that's terrible.
Kale Lowry
Well, we'll do better. We'll try. So you don't know. So you don't watch like selling Sunset or.
Kylie Pitts
No, okay, okay. Like I will watch Keeping up with Kardashians, but if that's. If I want some background noise in my house, like if it's too quiet.
Kale Lowry
Right. Background noise is a different conversation. I mean, Young Sheldon is always on at my house. We love Big Bang Theory.
Kylie Pitts
I actually did watch Young Sheldon. That's the only, I guess, series that I could really get into. Was that a series? It was some. Was that a series?
Kale Lowry
It was a series.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
I don't know how many seasons. I think six seasons, seven seasons, something like that.
Kylie Pitts
But I was able to get into that. I don't know why I like that so much.
Kale Lowry
I. And it. What's crazy is if you look it up, it's like for 10 year old. 10.
Kylie Pitts
I know. And I was like, dang, is that trying to say something about me?
Kale Lowry
I'm like, if I emotionally stunted, like, mature did. Yeah. I don't. I have not watched tv. I went to the reality awards and they did like a whole like red carpet moment. They were like asking me what I binge watch. I'm at the reality TV awards, and I was like, I don't watch tv.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, I would have.
Kale Lowry
It's like, can y'all edit that out?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah. Because you wouldn't even be able to come up with anything.
Kale Lowry
I couldn't come up with it on the spot. I just, like, didn't think about it. I couldn't. I also, speaking of collabs, would love to go on ridiculousness.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yeah.
Kale Lowry
You would be good for that. I feel.
Kylie Pitts
You think?
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
Okay. Maybe we need to manifest that, like.
Kale Lowry
Hey, Rob, if y'all are looking for anybody, looking back on your social media journey, is there anything that you wish that you didn't put on the Internet? There's a lot that I wish I didn't put on the Internet, I guess.
Kylie Pitts
Maybe because I was like, already kind of knew about social media and knew how, like, from watching other creators, like, what they did and messed up on. I kind of like learned from it without posting myself, almost.
Kale Lowry
Okay.
Kylie Pitts
Because like, I didn't start posting until. Well, I didn't start consistently posting until like March of this year. So I was like watching through others and living through them and seeing what they post. And I'm like, I wouldn't have posted that. So then I kind of like learned before I started posting.
Kale Lowry
Okay, okay. There's definitely things that I wish a teen mom too, like, also I wish there was some. Not some things that were not on the show, but once it's out there, there's really no going back.
Kylie Pitts
But stuff that was accepted back then is not accepted now though, like, so.
Kale Lowry
I would also agree. So, like, it came back. Yeah. To get canc. Like, you didn't get canceled the first time. You're definitely getting.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
So when it resurfaces, which is a scary place to be because you're like, okay, but that was 10 years ago. And I'm not saying that everyone can change and grow, but I do think that a lot of people can.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
You know, the people who want to grow and the people that want to change will. And that's what's scary is like, I do think that Cancel culture has become a little bit too much and. And that's a scary place to be. I will say that. Yeah. So I saw on your Tick Tock also that you have a lot of projects that you are sort of talking about or not really talking about. So can you tell me?
Kylie Pitts
We are building a lake right now.
Kale Lowry
What does that mean?
Kylie Pitts
Like, what do you mean?
Kale Lowry
Like building a lake? Like a man made lake?
Kylie Pitts
Yes. Like fishing. Yeah, there will be fish eventually.
Kale Lowry
So cool.
Kylie Pitts
Just really to like look at when you're on the back porch.
Kale Lowry
No, absolutely.
Kylie Pitts
So.
Kale Lowry
But that's on this. The land that you guys are. Yes. Okay.
Kylie Pitts
That's what we're doing right now. And then we'll be moving soon. And I think that's really the only big thing.
Kale Lowry
Okay. I mean, that is a huge.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah. We don't have any like trips planned or nothing.
Kale Lowry
Are you gonna do all of your like, home decor and inspo stuff on Tick Tock? Yes. Like what people get. Be able to follow it.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yeah.
Kale Lowry
Okay. I didn't really do that whole process of designing the inside of my house. And I feel like I list missed out on a lot of money not doing that. But I did like film the process. I wish that it didn't go as fast as it did, but I also did not love it as much as I thought I would.
Kylie Pitts
How long did it take?
Kale Lowry
About a year.
Kylie Pitts
It's a long time.
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
Especially when you have like, kids that you know are excited too.
Kale Lowry
Well, because I had bought. I lived in like a 6, 000 square foot house and then it was only me and just three kids. And I only had two of them half the time. And so I was like, we don't need this much space. And so I built the house that I'm in now, which is like slightly smaller, but it was like perfect.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
Then I had three more kids and I was like, now I wish that I did not sell the other house because that's nine people. That would fit. Yeah. Nicely. You know what I mean? But I. Yeah, it's. It's a. Some people love it, some people hate it. I thought I was going to love it a lot more, but I. I would do it again. Still, I think.
Kylie Pitts
I mean, I feel like everybody needs to do it at least one time in their life.
Kale Lowry
They say if you build one, then you have to build another because you know what works and doesn't work. And so I will say that, that, that's been true for me. But you, I saw on your Tick Tock too that you still have plans to build, but like a different house, but not right now.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah. Because I feel like I'm also still so young. Like I'm only 21 years old. I have so much, which is so.
Kale Lowry
Crazy to me because I feel like you've lived a thousand lives in 21. Like just in this short time on Tick Tock.
Kylie Pitts
I feel like I have like.
Kale Lowry
You don't strike me as a 21 year old.
Kylie Pitts
No, I don't think so.
Kale Lowry
But maybe becoming a mom so young has sort of not given you an old soul. But like, I wouldn't relate to another 20 year old, 21 year old that doesn't have a child. I feel.
Kylie Pitts
No, I don't. All of my friends are like in their 30s. Like all my friends are older because.
Kale Lowry
They have kids, I'm sure.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
So do you have friends in your 20s that in their 20s that are not moms yet?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, I have one friend that is.
Kale Lowry
20 and so is it a boy or a girl?
Kylie Pitts
This is a girl.
Kale Lowry
Okay, so what. How does she, I guess, interact with you and Landry then?
Kylie Pitts
Oh, she's. She's fine. But I guess maybe because she's not like a crazy 20 year old, she's in nursing school and she works at the hospital. So she's like an old soul too. Yeah, like we can relate.
Kale Lowry
I just, even though I. Because I was the only pregnant girl in my high school and I had a really hard time with that because I mean, even still some of those friends that I had at that time, they to this day don't have kids. And we're in our 30s, so it's. I do find it hard to relate to people, but like I said, I have a four year old and a two year old, so Landry's right in the middle of that. I also have raised kids before and so I think now just hanging out with like minded people, the age of the friend doesn't actually matter. It's what you have in common.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Kale Lowry
You know what I mean? So that's so interesting because I just would not have known, I would not have guessed that you were 21 if you didn't. If you didn't tell me.
Kylie Pitts
I feel like I've always been kind of an old soul though. Like I never wanted to do anything like that people my age were doing, like ever.
Kale Lowry
When I hear about people partying in high school, I was like, I never did that.
Kylie Pitts
No, I didn't.
Kale Lowry
But I was having sex. I. I definitely was having sex.
Kylie Pitts
I never wanted to go out. I never wanted to party. I had no, like, once I got home from school, I did not want to really leave. That's it.
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Kylie Pitts
We met at a football game when I was high school. No, 13. We've been together since I was 14.
Kale Lowry
Wait. Okay. I cannot imagine being with the person I lost. I lost my virginity when I was 14 years old. I could not imagine still being with that person today.
Kylie Pitts
Oh my gosh. Me and Colton are like, not even high school sweethearts. Like middle school sweethearts.
Kale Lowry
Was there ever a time. And if you don't feel comfortable sharing, that's perfectly fine. Was there ever a time that you guys like broke up, got back together? Like, you weren't sure that you wanted to be with him? Or was it always you knew you were gonna be with Colton?
Kylie Pitts
No, we've never broke up. We were like always together.
Kale Lowry
From 13?
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
And what was your parents reaction?
Kylie Pitts
Oh, they didn't really have nothing to say.
Kale Lowry
I don't guess, like, is that normal in Mississippi? Like that's common, like to have a boyfriend or just like, I guess, small town romance, sort of. That's a trope I would read in one of my books.
Kylie Pitts
No, I don't guess it was like normal because all my friends were like, had like multiple different boyfriends. And then it was just me and Colton.
Kale Lowry
But that is so cute.
Kylie Pitts
I think so.
Kale Lowry
So did you. You had Colton in high school then or when you graduated, but you had Landry? Oh, sorry, sorry. Yeah, I. Did I say Colton? Yeah, I meant injury. My bad. Okay. So did you have Colton in high school? It would have been what, 18?
Kylie Pitts
Yes. I got pregnant at 17. I had him at 18. But I dropped out of high school before that.
Kale Lowry
Okay. And then just like, I'll just be a stay at home.
Kylie Pitts
Well, I dropped out of high school, but that was before I got pregnant with Landry. And I went a little bit of 10th grade and I was like, you know what? This is really not for me. I decided that I was actually gonna just go get my high set and then I went straight to college.
Kale Lowry
What is high set?
Kylie Pitts
It's kind of. It's basically like a gd. It's like, it's called a high high school equivalency diploma.
Kale Lowry
Okay.
Kylie Pitts
But I'm pretty sure it's the same thing.
Kale Lowry
Sure, sure, sure.
Kylie Pitts
And I went straight to college after that. Like within getting my high set. It was like a week gap. Gap of like me not doing anything. Then I went to college. And I completed all my prerequisites for nursing. I got accepted into nursing school.
Kale Lowry
What?
Kylie Pitts
And then I got pregnant with Landry.
Kale Lowry
You dropped out of high school and then got immediately accepted into nursing school?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah. After I did all my prerequisites for nursing. And this is all while helping my mama because she was in nursing school at the time.
Kale Lowry
I hope my kids call me mama for the rest of their life. Like, that is the sweetest thing I ever heard.
Kylie Pitts
And that's what everybody calls them in the south is what.
Kale Lowry
What do you call your grandparents? Parents?
Kylie Pitts
Nana and Paw Paul.
Kale Lowry
I've heard granddad, Granddaddy. Like, I've heard, like, though, like, I'm. That's not something in the Northeast that we would say.
Kylie Pitts
No, we just. Everybody's like, papa, Papa, Mama and Nana. Like, yeah, me, me, Papa. That's like, really?
Kale Lowry
So, yeah. What is it?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, my mama is Honey and my mother in law is Nene.
Kale Lowry
No, Honey is this. I literally just got done saying on a podcast, I want to be called KK as a grandma. Don't call me grandma. Don't call me me Ma. Don't call me none of it, because I'm never going to get old. So I'm not doing it.
Kylie Pitts
I know. And these are like, young grandmas now. So, like, they didn't need, like, a grandma name, right?
Kale Lowry
No. Honey is so cute. That is the sweetest. Okay, wait, we need to go back to this conversation because I think that there's such a stigma surrounding young mothers in general. Not just teen moms, but young m. Young moms in general. Right. Like, I had this, like, preconceived idea before I became a teen mom that, like, I would look at girls in high school, other high schools, because I was the only one at mine, and I would be like, what is she going to do with the rest of her life? Right? Like, what is she going to do? How is she going to get by? And I was judging, and then I turned around and I got knocked up. And then I was like, okay, the number one thing that is important to me besides my child is finishing some sort of some. Something. So I finished high school. I tried community college. That wasn't for me. I tried dental assisting school. I ended up finishing that. And then I went to a four year degree to get my bachelor's degree. But I just think that so many, so many times people are like, teen moms and young moms don't do anything. But that is absolutely incredible because I could not even pass chemistry to be a dental Hygienist. So that's why I went to dental hygiene. I went to dental assisting school. So for you to have dropped out of high school and then got accepted to nursing school is just like, it doesn't even compute for me.
Kylie Pitts
See, it really don't make sense because I do love school so much. I don't think I liked the high school that I was at is the reason that, like, I didn't want to go. But I do love school. Like, I would go back to college in a heartbeat, but I want to be a lawyer.
Kale Lowry
But me too.
Kylie Pitts
I don't want to go. I just don't want to. That's a lot of school. It really is.
Kale Lowry
I think too. It also has to do with your interests. Right. Like, I don't want to learn about things I'm not interested in. But I do understand the idea that it makes us well rounded and we need to have like the full circle, you know, know a little bit of everything. I do get that, but I do think it is. It does have something to do with, like, being interested in this stuff. Right. Like, I don't know about chemistry. I don't want to learn about this.
Kylie Pitts
Like, not me neither.
Kale Lowry
I don't want to know about chemistry. But I feel like. Does Mississippi have the apprenticeship for lawyer? Because you could just apprentice under somebody.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, I don't think so. I've never heard of that.
Kale Lowry
Yeah, I'll have to look into that in California.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, is that what she was doing?
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
Okay.
Kale Lowry
You still have to take the bar. Yeah. I was going to take the LSAT during COVID because I think it was online. So I was like, oh, perfect. And then I got pregnant again. So everything is just a little setback. I'm like, okay, when the twins go to kindergarten, then I can go to law school. But there's no law schools near us. It's like, like an hour and a half away, so.
Kylie Pitts
Oh.
Kale Lowry
Oh, that's so interesting. So then what made you decide that you didn't want to go to law school? Or what made you decide that you didn't want to go to nursing school or you weren't going to finish nursing school?
Kylie Pitts
Because they told me once I got pregnant with Landry that I would only be able to miss two days of school when I had him. And I was like, well, that's not going to work because I'm not leaving a newborn. So then I didn't go because of.
Kale Lowry
Like, clinicals and rotations and stuff.
Kylie Pitts
I guess so.
Kale Lowry
Because the other thing is too. And maybe this is a hot take. I don't know. I feel like if you get the work done and you pass your exams, it. Attendance should not matter because you're the one paying for it. So if you pay to go to nursing school and you miss half the semester, but all of your work is done, all of your rotations, your clinicals, your. All of that is done and you're doing well. Why does my attendance matter?
Kylie Pitts
I think it was because it was during the, I guess, clinical or something. You had to be there. Like you cannot miss, I guess, for your hours or something.
Kale Lowry
Would you ever go back?
Kylie Pitts
Back, not to nursing school? Like, I'm so glad it turned out the way it did because I have no interest in it now.
Kale Lowry
Divine intervention. That's what needed to happen.
Kylie Pitts
Because it, it is what needed to happen. Cuz I don't feel like I would be working as a nurse right now. I have no interest in it whatsoever.
Kale Lowry
I actually think Avery woods was a nurse or she was a nurse.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, she was.
Kale Lowry
I could never do it. I get queasy. Like, don't show me.
Kylie Pitts
I used to. Not until I had laundry. And now it's like, I don't want to say nothing nasty. I don't want to say nothing gross.
Kale Lowry
Motherhood changes us, I swear. Because there are certain things that I could stomach before I became a mom. But as I had more children too, it progressively worse. Like nurse. Anything related to like the health field. Don't. Don't show me. Don't tell me, don't ask me. I don't want to know. But also my pain tolerance changed the more kids I had. You would think it would go up because I have so many kids. It went down.
Kylie Pitts
Really?
Kale Lowry
Yeah. Like, I can't sit for a tattoo. Don't. I'm not going to get a tattoo.
Kylie Pitts
I feel like my pain tolerance is pretty high. But like back to the thing where like you're. I guess you're how sensitive you are to stuff. If it was like on my child, I. I could do it anytime. Like, throw up does not bother me. Nothing like that bothers me. As long as it's him.
Kale Lowry
Oh, see, no, I can't even. My son the other day fell and smashed his mouth, knocked his teeth back. I didn't want to look at it like I did because I'm his mother. But I was like. Like in my head I was freaking the out.
Kylie Pitts
No, I would be freaking out too. But like I feel like I could. I don't know. It's just different when it's Your own kids?
Kale Lowry
Yeah. I mean, like, I could. I don't like it, but I'll still stomach it for my child. I'm not gonna.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, like, if it was somebody else, you would have to go somewhere else. Like, you can't be around me with that.
Kale Lowry
Oh, my gosh. So plans for law school? Maybe.
Kylie Pitts
I don't know. I really would like to do it, but it's got to be, like, way down the road.
Kale Lowry
I mean, when Landry goes to kindergarten.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, I have thought about doing something when he goes to kindergarten, but I'm not sure what yet. But I really would love law school.
Kale Lowry
Have you watched Suits on Netflix?
Kylie Pitts
No, I don't watch tv.
Kale Lowry
I know. You should, though. That one. That one's a good one.
Kylie Pitts
I. I could probably get interested in that.
Kale Lowry
That one's about, actually, and I think Meghan Markle's in that. If you're a fan of Meghan Markle, she's in there. But it's so funny. It's. It's a lawyer show. I was obsessed with it when I watched it. I think there's like, eight seasons. But it's so good.
Kylie Pitts
I could probably get into something like that.
Kale Lowry
Do you follow Rev Maisel?
Kylie Pitts
No.
Kale Lowry
Oh, my God.
Kylie Pitts
I'm like, under a rock. I really am. I don't scroll on social media hardly.
Kale Lowry
Okay, so Reb is an attorney, and she does. She reads iconic transcripts. She does way more than this. But this is what I think really got her to pop off was she would get the transcripts from court hearings, and she would read them in, like, a really funny and, like, condescending, sometimes way sarcastic way.
Kylie Pitts
I feel like I have seen this on my for you page before.
Kale Lowry
Oh, my God. It's so, like, the people that say these wild things to the judges, and you're just like, what is going on? So funny. You have to follow her name. Reb R E B. And then Maisel M E M A S E L. I'm gonna have to.
Kylie Pitts
Go look her up.
Kale Lowry
Oh, yeah, she's so. I think she's like. She is a practicing attorney in another. And she also has a podcast.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, okay.
Kale Lowry
Yeah. So I don't know. Aspiring lawyers podcast up. I don't know. What kind of lawyer would you be?
Kylie Pitts
Oh, I have idea.
Kale Lowry
I don't think I could do family law.
Kylie Pitts
I don't know. I think I would want to do, like, criminal, like. Like murder cases or something. I don't know.
Kale Lowry
I could see that.
Kylie Pitts
Like, I wouldn't want to be on the murderer side.
Kale Lowry
Could you yeah. Could you defend a murderer?
Kylie Pitts
No, I couldn't. I'd have to be, like, on, like, the family side or something.
Kale Lowry
See, that's where it gets tricky for me. I've always wanted to know. I think it was Rob Kardashian that ended up dropping out of the, you know, O.J. simpson's dream team because he felt like O.J. was guilty.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
I personally don't think that I. I would be intrigued by the murderer.
Kylie Pitts
I would, too. Like, I would want to talk to them and see, like, what is going on inside their.
Kale Lowry
But I don't think I could defend them knowing. No.
Kylie Pitts
Like, what do you do? Like, if you deep down, like, if you are the lawyer to this person and, like, you know that they're guilty, like, what do you do?
Kale Lowry
You come up with other theories?
Kylie Pitts
I couldn't. I don't think I could do that.
Kale Lowry
I don't know if I'm smart enough to come up with another theory.
Kylie Pitts
I think I could maybe come up with something, but I would not be confident in defending that.
Kale Lowry
Just like, a little bit of reasonable doubt. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Do you follow true crime?
Kylie Pitts
Yes. I love true crime.
Kale Lowry
What's your favorite case? Or, like, the Roman. Your Roman Empire?
Kylie Pitts
I don't know. Anything that Bailey Sarian covers.
Kale Lowry
Oh, my God, I love her.
Kylie Pitts
I love her. Anything that she covers.
Kale Lowry
All of it.
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
And I started watching her when she was doing the Get Ready with me and she was talking about true crime.
Kylie Pitts
Her makeup Mondays.
Kale Lowry
Makeup Mondays.
Kylie Pitts
I Murder mystery Makeup Monday.
Kale Lowry
Don't understand. Also, that's another piece of content that I just cannot figure out is the Get Ready with Me. I have already told the story, and I've only done step one, which is the foundation. So, like, how.
Kylie Pitts
You have to pause because I can't. I can't do it. I tried to do that this morning in my vlog. Saw that I couldn't because, like, yeah, I was doing my foundation and done told the whole story, and then it cut, and I was like, okay, well, here's. Here's what I look like.
Kale Lowry
I don't know how to do it. I don't get it.
Kylie Pitts
I guess you just, you know, I don't know. I need to, like, study somebody that's doing it because I don't get it.
Kale Lowry
So it's funny you say that their social media is a major at school now.
Kylie Pitts
Really?
Kale Lowry
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Kylie Pitts
Oh gosh.
Kale Lowry
Or this or that. What does a typical day of Kylie look like?
Kylie Pitts
It's kind of changing a little bit now, but I wake up, fix my coffee, get Landry dressed, we go to workouts. He comes with me, we come back home. I usually fix him some breakfast. We'll get dressed for the day. And usually I love to get out of the house. I don't like being at home. I'm a stay at home mom that does not like to be at home. So we'll find something to do no matter if it's going to Target or going just to the grocery store. Yeah, anywhere. And then we just usually spend the rest of it at home.
Kale Lowry
I'm also a homebody that might want to run out to Target, but that's actually. It's Dick Sporting goods for us that I live at. I know other people love Target, but. Yeah, same. I feel like that's pretty relatable. I feel like.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, like I don't want to be out of the house for very long because then I got kind of get overstimulated. There's a lot of people out. Landry is usually fighting asleep or something. I'm like, okay, I did my one errand. I'm ready to go home now.
Kale Lowry
Like, one thing a day is perfect.
Kylie Pitts
It really is.
Kale Lowry
I love that, though, though. Okay, favorite. Favorite food. Mexican or Chinese?
Kylie Pitts
Probably Mexican only because that's all we have. We don't really have a good Chinese restaurant.
Kale Lowry
Are you serious?
Kylie Pitts
We have one, but it's not good.
Kale Lowry
Oh, no.
Kylie Pitts
So.
Kale Lowry
But you like Chinese? There's probably.
Kylie Pitts
No, I do.
Kale Lowry
I love Chinese here in the city.
Kylie Pitts
Is it good?
Kale Lowry
I'm sure I'm. I think New York and. And New Jersey are like two of the best places to get food.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, okay.
Kale Lowry
I. I don't know. That might be a hot take. People might be pissed off by me saying that iced coffee or hot coffee asked. Okay. I make hot coffee at home. Iced coffee when I go out. Because I have not found a way to make iced coffee without making the ice melt.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, my God. Instant coffee.
Kale Lowry
What do you mean? Isn't it hot?
Kylie Pitts
No, you have to use it.
Kale Lowry
What is it? Is it. Does it go in the fridge?
Kylie Pitts
No, no, no, no. It's coffee grounds. But like instant coffee grounds. Like you just put like a couple tablespoons or teaspoons. However much, however strong you want it, it dissolve it in, like a little bit of water. It don't even have to have to be hot water. Dissolve those grounds and then, like, you know, fill it up with some milk. Put whatever sweetener creamer you want. And your eyes. And it's cold. I've been doing that.
Kale Lowry
And it doesn't water it down because I have. I got this one, this one iced coffee machine, but it still was hot and it melted the ice. So it was like.
Kylie Pitts
I know you've got to get instant. A lot of people don't like instant, but it's so good. And it's strong. Strong. The one I use is really strong.
Kale Lowry
Okay, I'm gonna need the link.
Kylie Pitts
No. Yeah, you're gonna have to or tell.
Kale Lowry
Me what to buy.
Kylie Pitts
If you look up Cali coffee on Tick Tock. It's just, it's a whole rabbit hole.
Kale Lowry
We probably don't have it in Delaware.
Kylie Pitts
It's, it's, it's like the old folks coffee. Like Nescafe.
Kale Lowry
Not old folks.
Kylie Pitts
It really is. It really.
Kale Lowry
You know what your next, your next project is you coming out with old folks coffee brand. I'm freaking crying. Okay, so mountains or beach?
Kylie Pitts
Probably mountains.
Kale Lowry
Really?
Kylie Pitts
I love the beach. I really do. But we go to the mountains and we go to the beach every year.
Kale Lowry
What do you do in the mountains?
Kylie Pitts
It's really a lot of sightseeing. You can, like, ski if you want to. It's just like a. The atmosphere. I love the atmosphere of the mountains.
Kale Lowry
Okay.
Kylie Pitts
Like, the beach is hot, sweaty, sandy. I don't like it. I will not get in the ocean. I don't like to get in the ocean. I don't like sand to be on me, but like to be at the beach.
Kale Lowry
What if you went somewhere that you could see through the water?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, I would love to do that.
Kale Lowry
But because that's the only water I'll get in. Don't ask me to get in no brown New Jersey water.
Kylie Pitts
No.
Kale Lowry
Although LBi is kind of clear. Yeah, it can be. My cousin has a house on LBi and that's pretty clear.
Kylie Pitts
No, I do love the beach. I just don't like the actual beach. Like, I don't want to be out on the beach for hours.
Kale Lowry
Yeah, I'm not. I want the vibes, but I want the actual sand.
Kylie Pitts
You know what I mean?
Kale Lowry
Like, not always, at least. Okay, what is a deal breaker for you in a relationship? Like, if Colton was like, I'm going to be a content creator full time.
Kylie Pitts
I know he couldn't do it full time, but if he wants to make a video, like, he has made a couple of videos. I'm usually just cooking, though. He loves to cook.
Kale Lowry
See, Elijah loves to cook too. Every time I get him on camera, he's cooking. He's doing something.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, Colton loves to cook, but like, if he was going to say, hey, I'm going to do this full time, no, I don't think I can do that.
Kale Lowry
Client Elijah better not. He better not become a full time content creator. I won't even let him open up his socials. He want, like, he is all private. I was like, we're not doing this. We're not. Because he is just such a man of very few words. And I don't know Colton's personality, but like, Elijah doesn't say much. So if he was to get on socials and talk a lot, I'd be like, who the are you? You know what I mean? Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
That's kind of how Colton is. I have to like, tell him like, or I have to be in a voiceover with him. Yeah, like, and like I'm like narrating or helping him or something.
Kale Lowry
I am gonna have. When I get home, I'm gonna have Elisha narrate my die a day in the life. Because I feel like that would be. I don't. That would be really funny. Alessandra knows Alice. Elijah doesn't talk. So. Okay. Bad haircut or bad dye job?
Kylie Pitts
Oh, probably bad haircut because I can just wear extensions. I wear them anyway. So do you. Yeah.
Kale Lowry
Oh, your hair looks so good.
Kylie Pitts
Well, thank you. It's not real.
Kale Lowry
That's okay. I cut all my hair off because I had postpartum hair loss.
Kylie Pitts
I did too.
Kale Lowry
So when it thinned out, I was like, I better cut it off.
Kylie Pitts
I cut mine off when le was six months old and I had the like a. It was, it was a bob. It really was. And. But it's kind of long now. It really is long. But I just like the extensions cuz it's so thick and so much of it.
Kale Lowry
I need to know where. How you came up with the name Landry.
Kylie Pitts
I was looking on Pinterest one day and I was like looking up door hangers just like, you know, for like the hospital, like to go on the door, like with his birth weight and everything.
Kale Lowry
Oh, got it, got it, got it. Okay. Like a little sign.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, like, like an announcement sign. And I seen the name Landry Tree and I mean, me and Colton couldn't agree on anything. Literally anything.
Kale Lowry
What were some other names that you guys were talking about?
Kylie Pitts
Well, he wasn't talking much at all, but I was gonna name him Southern Case. I still would have named him Southern guys if Colton wouldn't have hated it so bad.
Kale Lowry
Southern for the first name, yes. Case for the middle name, yes. Southern Case, Yes. I lowkey love that.
Kylie Pitts
I love that. I still love that.
Kale Lowry
Like, he said no.
Kylie Pitts
He said no.
Kale Lowry
What's wrong? What was, what was his gripe with it?
Kylie Pitts
He said it was not. It was like Southern was kind of just. He didn't like it.
Kale Lowry
Actually, a book I just read, the first name was Southern.
Kylie Pitts
I love it. It's the cutest thing. And I also was gonna name Cash Baker, but it was, it was two names. But you would call him Cashbaker.
Kale Lowry
No, I really love Southern.
Kylie Pitts
I love it.
Kale Lowry
I probably should go through IVF right now just so I can name baby Southern.
Kylie Pitts
I don't want any more kids, but if I was to have another one, it would have to be Southern.
Kale Lowry
Can we talk about that? Yeah. Deciding factor for you about not wanting kids, because I typically don't ask people about their uteruses, but because you said it, I feel like.
Kylie Pitts
I feel like when, you know, you're done having kids, you know, is there a reason?
Kale Lowry
Not really.
Kylie Pitts
Like, Landry is an amazing kid. He really is.
Kale Lowry
No, he's so good.
Kylie Pitts
He's really is good. My pregnancy was amazing. I would. I probably would be a surrogate because I loved pregnancy so much. I loved it. I was never sick or anything. My birth was so smooth. I think the only thing really, is he don't sleep. And I would never be willing to do this again.
Kale Lowry
That's fair. And I think that there is peop. There are people who don't know their limits, and then they'll force themselves. They'll. They'll force themselves into being overwhelmed, having more kids, even though they.
Kylie Pitts
Oh, yeah. I get overstimulated now, and I'm like, wow. I could not imagine there being, like, more than one, really. Like, I just feel like when, you know, you're done having kids, you really just know. Like, there's just a feeling that you can't describe. Like, you just know. You don't. You don't have that feeling.
Kale Lowry
I think the general public. I think popular opinion is that I should have stopped having kids four kids ago, but I, you know, I just wasn't done. And I think that's.
Kylie Pitts
You just know when you're done. I swear.
Kale Lowry
And you know what? I went back and forth with having another one because I only have one girl, and I really wanted her to have a sister, but I think that is a fantasy that I was just, like, wanting my daughter to have a sister. Right? But I think in the back of my mind, it was like, I'm done. Like, this is all I can handle. I cannot handle another child. So, yeah, it sounds good. It sounds great. Great in theory. But the real. The reality of having more kids when you're overwhelmed is could. It could be life or death? You know what I mean? Like, people hurt their children because you don't know what could happen. Right? Like, you had a great pregnancy. But, like, what about psychosis? What about postpartum depression? And that was something I experienced, too, is like, you know, there are People who don't know their limits. And I. I can't imagine having eight kids. Like, seven sounds like a lot to so many people, but, like, I cannot imagine having eight. Eight, like, eight feels like a lot to me.
Kylie Pitts
I mean, you know, what's just one more at that point? I mean, I think you could handle it, but.
Kale Lowry
No, I don't think I could.
Kylie Pitts
I mean, that is a lot of kids, though.
Kale Lowry
But seven doesn't feel like a lot to me because you're used to it. It's so weird. But one feels like a lot to you.
Kylie Pitts
Yes.
Kale Lowry
That's so interesting. Alessandra, if you. You think you would have just one. Yeah. At this point, I'll be 34 this year, so.
Kylie Pitts
Good one is like, you can take them anywhere, and it's just one. Like, you can just get up and go really anytime. Like, you don't have to really, like, pack up a whole lot of kids.
Kale Lowry
And go, oh, I can't.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah, I know. Like, you. Like, I could just like, if somebody's like, hey, I need you out the door in five minutes, I can be there.
Kale Lowry
I can't. So that's something that I take a lot of time doing is, like, making sure that my kids get one on one time because there are so many of them. But a lot of times, one somebody else is upset.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
But it's like, I do have to spend, like, be intentional about spending one on one time with them. And that's another thing is. Is like, making sure that there's enough time for everybody to go around. Right. Because just because there's seven of them doesn't mean that I shouldn't spend one on one time with them.
Kylie Pitts
Exactly.
Kale Lowry
Okay, so last, like, sort of rapid fire question is, what is your take on Crocs? Do we love crocs? Do we hate them?
Kylie Pitts
I have a pair of Crocs, and I will wear my Crocs out. First of all, I wear my house shoes out. I really don't care.
Kale Lowry
House shoes? Like slippers?
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
Like, what do you mean?
Kylie Pitts
Like, I wear them. Ow.
Kale Lowry
But like, slippers. Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
Like. Like house shoes. Like, shoes that, like, for the house. What, what you mean?
Kale Lowry
Like, can they be, like, do they have a soft bottom or do they.
Kylie Pitts
No, all mine do have hard bottoms. But, like, I wouldn't put it past me wearing a soft bottom.
Kale Lowry
Like the ones that you, like, wear in your bedroom. Like, bedroom slippers.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
Is house shoes.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
So you would wear them out. Yeah. So you would wear Crocs? Yes, I'm a Croc.
Kylie Pitts
Stan, I like them, but I'm not about to pick them over any other shoe. But, like, you know, know.
Kale Lowry
But if you're just casual going around an errand, would you slip your Crocs on?
Kylie Pitts
No. If I'm going in the yard, I'll slip my Crocs on.
Kale Lowry
You won't go out in public with them?
Kylie Pitts
If I have to.
Kale Lowry
Oh.
Kylie Pitts
Like, if. If that.
Kale Lowry
We're not aligned.
Kylie Pitts
If that was my only shoe left. Landry. He will wear Crocs anywhere, though. Like, Landry is a. Like, I will let my. I'll let him wear it whenever.
Kale Lowry
Okay. But there's something to be said about a kid in. Crocs is like the cutest thing we've ever seen. They are cute because. Why are they so little and cute?
Kylie Pitts
They are so little. The tiniest little Crocs. Crocs. I don't even know what size they are. They're like the smallest little ones he had. And I kept them because they were the tiniest, cutest things I've ever seen.
Kale Lowry
Put them in a shadow box.
Kylie Pitts
Yeah.
Kale Lowry
Glue them to the shadow box and stick it on the wall. Because that is so cute. Okay. And last thing. Where are you going? If Tick Tock gets banned, what app can people find you on?
Kylie Pitts
I'm on Instagram and I'm on Snapchat. Kinda I gotta get better about posting on there.
Kale Lowry
Same.
Kylie Pitts
But Instagram. I'm on Instagram right now. I've been on Instagram and. And that's where I'll be.
Kale Lowry
And is there anything else that you're promoting right now? Do you have any projects? Do you have any goals that you have in the works over the next couple weeks?
Kylie Pitts
We're kind of like laying low right now. Kind of taking it easy after the holidays.
Kale Lowry
Yeah.
Kylie Pitts
That's all.
Kale Lowry
Have you ever seen holes? The duck may swim on the lake. Have you seen that?
Kylie Pitts
No.
Kale Lowry
Okay, I'll send you the gif. I feel like I'm old. Like, I don't know. We relate, but I also feel old. Anyway, thank you for coming on Barely Famous. I hope that you love New York City as much as we do now that we're here all the time. But follow Kylie on Instagram Tick Tock for now and also on Snapchat. Do you want to just say your handle?
Kylie Pitts
Yes. Instagram. Kylie, Ariana P. Tick Tock. Kylie Pitts and Cali Ariana Fey on Snapchat.
Kale Lowry
Perfect.
Kylie Pitts
I think.
Kale Lowry
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Barely Famous Podcast – Episode Summary: "Life of a SAHM Podcast Edition with Kylie Pitts"
Release Date: February 14, 2025
Host: Kail Lowry
Guest: Kylie Pitts
Kail Lowry opens the episode with his signature energetic style, introducing Kylie Pitts as the guest. He humorously highlights Kylie’s unique experience of being a stay-at-home mom (SAHM) who has only taken two flights in her life, bringing her child Landry along on her second flight (00:29).
Kylie shares her daily routine and challenges as a single SAHM. She expresses feeling overwhelmed but emphasizes her dedication to staying with her three-year-old son, Landry, who accompanies her on her content creation journeys (00:37). Kail appreciates the sacrifices Kylie makes, noting the contrast with his own experience of managing multiple children while working (01:04).
Notable Quote:
Kylie Pitts: “I can't bring myself to leave him anywhere, though.” (00:31)
The discussion delves into Kylie’s foray into content creation, which began casually to alleviate boredom but soon grew into a serious endeavor. Kylie explains her preference for TikTok over Instagram due to its authenticity and less restrictive nature. She contrasts the supportive community on TikTok with the critical comments often found on Instagram (04:14).
Notable Quote:
Kylie Pitts: “I feel like TikTok is just all over the place. You can really be yourself on there and nobody cares.” (05:33)
Kylie discusses the logistical aspects of creating content as a young mother. She often includes Landry in her videos when it fits naturally but strives to keep his presence minimal to protect his privacy (08:00). Kail commends her ability to balance motherhood with her online presence, sharing his own experiences of bringing his children to work (09:09).
Kylie reveals her educational journey, explaining that she dropped out of high school before becoming pregnant at 17. Despite this, she pursued a high school equivalency diploma and was accepted into nursing school. However, she paused her studies to focus on motherhood, expressing a renewed interest in pursuing a law degree once her child starts kindergarten (37:34).
Notable Quote:
Kylie Pitts: “I feel like I'm still so young. Like I'm only 21 years old. I have so much.” (32:44)
The conversation touches on the societal stigma surrounding young and teen mothers. Kylie emphasizes the importance of education and personal growth, countering the misconception that young mothers are solely defined by their parenthood. Kail shares his own challenges with public perception and maintaining personal relationships amidst his public persona (39:57).
Notable Quote:
Kale Lowry: “I do think that people can grow from what they say or grow from something they did or said in the past.” (30:39)
Kylie discusses her strategies for managing different social media platforms, preferring TikTok for its flexibility and ease of being authentic. She contrasts this with Instagram’s more curated and sometimes negative environment, explaining how she navigates these spaces to maintain her mental well-being (05:50).
Notable Quote:
Kylie Pitts: “Instagram is so picture perfect. Everybody's got to have like the most perfect put together life.” (05:23)
Kylie and Kail explore Kylie’s long-term relationship with her husband, Colton. They discuss how they met in middle school and have remained together since age 13, highlighting the stability and support Colton provides in Kylie’s life and content creation endeavors (36:09).
Notable Quote:
Kylie Pitts: “We were always together.” (36:42)
Looking ahead, Kylie shares her plans to build a man-made lake on her family’s 60-acre land in Mississippi, aiming to create a serene environment for her family. She also mentions aspirations to continue expanding her content creation and potentially explore law school in the future (31:01).
Notable Quote:
Kylie Pitts: “We are building a lake right now… Just really to look at when you're on the back porch.” (31:07)
Kylie expresses admiration for smaller content creators and highlights her favorite influencers, such as Courtney Mosley and Avery Woods. She values authenticity and the ability to speak one’s mind without fear of cancel culture, a sentiment Kail echoes with his own preferences (24:43; 44:05).
Notable Quote:
Kylie Pitts: “I like how she speaks her mind. She does not care what anybody thinks.” (25:38)
Kylie and Kail discuss their parenting styles, sharing personal anecdotes about handling challenges like children’s accidents and the emotional toll of parenting. They emphasize the deep bond with their children and the instinctual responses that come with parenthood (42:22; 43:16).
Notable Quote:
Kale Lowry: “Motherhood changes us, I swear.” (42:10)
In a lighter segment, Kylie and Kail engage in rapid-fire questions covering topics like favorite foods, travel preferences, and relationship deal-breakers. Kylie reveals her preference for Mexican cuisine and mountain getaways over the beach, while Kail humorously shares his mishaps with cooking and hair.
Notable Quote:
Kylie Pitts: “If TikTok gets banned, I'm on Instagram and I'm on Snapchat.” (59:40)
The episode provides an intimate look into Kylie Pitts' life as a young stay-at-home mom balancing family, education, and content creation. Through candid conversations, Kylie and Kail explore the complexities of modern motherhood, the impact of social media, and the pursuit of personal aspirations. Listeners gain valuable insights into maintaining authenticity online while navigating the challenges of parenting and personal growth.
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