spICE on fire with Geri Halliwell-Horner

Summary

Podcast Summary: Barely Famous – "spICE on fire with Geri Halliwell-Horner"

Introduction

In the April 11, 2025 episode of Barely Famous hosted by Kale Lowry, listeners are treated to an engaging and insightful conversation with Geri Halliwell-Horner, formerly known as Ginger Spice of the Spice Girls. This episode delves deep into Geri's transformation from pop icon to bestselling author, exploring her creative journey, personal growth, and the multifaceted aspects of her life.

Transition from Pop Star to Author

Kale Lowry opens the conversation by celebrating Geri's successful transition from music to writing. Geri shares her excitement and passion for literature, noting, “[...] I always loved the power of words. I didn't have a lot of money when I was younger, but I always found a love of reading. I could escape. And you can learn so much just through the power of a book” (02:46). This foundational love for reading set the stage for her venture into authorship.

The Rosie Frost Series: Inspiration and Creation

Geri introduces her Rosie Frost duology, with the second book released in April 2025. She explains how "The Artist's Way" was a pivotal influence, stating, “[...] it gives you a series of instructions to really awaken the artist within you. If you want to pivot, if you want a new direction, if you want to find out what's inside, you give it” (06:07). Her books aim to inspire a diverse audience by blending adventure with deep emotional narratives, ensuring they are “page-turning” and resonate across age groups.

Balancing Motherhood and Writing

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on Geri's ability to juggle motherhood with her writing career. She emphasizes discipline and setting boundaries, mentioning, “[...] getting up no matter what, just meet the page at 9:00 in the morning” (10:32). Geri also highlights the importance of forgiveness and understanding that perfection is unattainable, which allows her to maintain a healthy balance between her personal and professional life.

Character Development and Personal Influences

Geri delves into how her personal experiences shape her characters. Reflecting on her loss and grief, she shares, “Rosie, she's lost her mother, and we know lots of orphans in different stories, but actually she. You see, you feel her process losing her mother” (12:10). This introspection adds depth to her characters, making them relatable and emotionally compelling. Geri also discusses the universal desire to be “loved and heard,” which is a recurring theme in her work.

The Impact of Fame and Social Media

The conversation shifts to the challenges of fame, especially in the era of social media. Geri reflects on how fame magnifies personal struggles, saying, “[...] it puts a microscope on all of us” (34:18). She contemplates whether her life would have been more challenging had she navigated fame in today's digitally saturated environment but acknowledges the evolving nature of the world and the blessings and curses that come with it.

Audiobooks and Multilingual Abilities

Geri shares her experience with audiobooks, highlighting her efforts to bring characters to life through different accents and voices. “[...] I went from. So forgive me, listeners of audible. Oh, my God. Yeah, I do an Irish accent like that” (47:26). Additionally, she reveals her multilingual capabilities, stating, “I can speak Get By German. I love German” (53:27), which adds an intriguing layer to her persona and creative endeavors.

Favorite Shows, Books, and Rapid-Fire Insights

In the rapid-fire segment, Geri discusses her favorite books like The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and The Book Thief, and her appreciation for historical fiction. She also touches on her acting experiences, mentioning her roles in Gran Turismo and Sex and the City, and her journey in writing and judging TV shows like America's All American Girl. When asked about favorite comedians, she enthusiastically praises Seth Rogen, remarking, “He's so funny. I didn't like, forgive me, Seth, but I had no idea how funny he is” (19:26).

Conclusion

The episode concludes with reflections on personal growth, the importance of letting go of resentment, and the continuous evolution of one's identity. Geri emphasizes the significance of connecting deeply with oneself amidst life's chaos, stating, “If you've got all, you know, lots of children and work and this and that and that, I get quiet and go, okay, what does my heart feel here?” (41:56). Kale Lowry expresses excitement for Geri's upcoming third book and encourages listeners to join her book club, "Chapter Seven," aligning the discussion with the themes of growth and community.

Notable Quotes

• Geri Halliwell-Horner: “I always loved the power of words. I didn't have a lot of money when I was younger, but I always found a love of reading. I could escape.” (02:46)

• Geri Halliwell-Horner: “Rosie, she's lost her mother, and we know lots of orphans in different stories, but actually she. You see, you feel her process losing her mother.” (12:10)

• Geri Halliwell-Horner: “It puts a microscope on all of us.” (34:18)

• Geri Halliwell-Horner: “If you've got all, you know, lots of children and work and this and that and that, I get quiet and go, okay, what does my heart feel here?” (41:56)

Final Thoughts

This episode of Barely Famous offers a profound look into Geri Halliwell-Horner's life beyond her pop-star fame. Her candid discussions about balancing personal life with creative pursuits, the nuanced development of her characters, and her reflections on fame and identity provide listeners with a rich and inspiring narrative. Geri's authenticity and depth make this episode a must-listen for fans and aspiring authors alike.

Transcript

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[Kale Lowry]

Welcome to the Shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry and you're listening to Barely Famous. Today's episode is bringing you a full dose of girl power. And by that I mean who you might know as Ginger Spice. We know her as Jerry Hollowell Horner and not only is she a pop icon, she's also a writer and I absolutely love her. This is like me trying not to fangirl. Jerry is inspiring a whole new generation of girls with her new book. She has Rosie Frost. The duology that she is working on, she started it in 2023, the first book released. And now April 2025, the second book in the duology is out. This is Jerry Hallowell Horner and let's get right into it. Jerry, welcome to the Barely famous podcast. I'm so happy you're here.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Oh, thank you very much for having me.

[Kale Lowry]

I loved the history lesson on Henry viii.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You're so welcome.

[Kale Lowry]

I loved it. And we have to talk about your books because I am a huge reader and I love reading. So you sort of transitioned from, you know, you're a mom, you are, you know, you were a pop star and now you're an author. You're a best selling author. So let's talk about it. How does it feel?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

It feels amazing actually. I mean, I always Studied English literature before I went into music.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

So it was kind of. I always loved the power of words. I didn't have a lot of money when I was younger, but I always found a love of reading. I could escape. And you can learn so much just through the power of a book. Yes, it definitely is a superpower if you can really get your head in the game of reading. And then. And so, you know, having a book. And I've written books before for younger, but then I thought, oh, I'd really like to do a series of. For older, but for everyone. Because I'm a reader myself. It doesn't matter what age bracket it's meant to be in. And so having this series come out and be a success, I'm like, I'm so grateful that dreams do come true. This is a dream come true. And lovely to share it with you. You amazing.

[Kale Lowry]

Why do you say that?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Well, look, to everyone listening at home, you don't know me very well, and I don't know you listening, but, you know, and I don't know this lovely Lady Kale very well, but in the few minutes that I've. She's telling me about herself, you know, and feel free to edit this out, but I'm hearing, my goodness, what a strength of a woman to, you know, have all these children, bring them up, be a businesswoman, educate herself, show interest, look beautiful. I'm like, wow, that is really inspiring. But so slay you.

[Kale Lowry]

You are like the icon behind girl power. You're the originator of this. Right? Like, you have taught young girls that you can do all the things. You can be a mom, you can be a pop star, you can be an author, you can be educated, you can be all of that.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah. I think we all learn from each other. If I can see it, we, you know, we can be it.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And, you know, so I was always watching television and thinking, you know, American television, watching the A team. You probably. You're not old enough to remember that, but I always firmly believe that you books or movies or music just brought me up and inspired me. So wonderful that, you know, people think that of me. But actually, it's just a baton that gets passed on.

[Kale Lowry]

Have you ever read By Any Other Name by Jodi Picoult?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No. Is it good?

[Kale Lowry]

It would be right up your alley, I feel.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah. By Any other Name.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay. Can you write it down? So I.

[Kale Lowry]

You absolutely need to recommend Based on the. The History Lesson of Henry VI and, you know, Women. And you talked about how he married. He was like 55. And he married a 15 year old. Very. By any other name would be right up your alley.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I think you would really like it. So you first, your first ever book was in 1998.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And that was a memoir.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

What has it been like transitioning from writing memoirs to children's books to now fiction?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I think so I tell you what was the game changer for me. There was this book called the Artist's Way. I don't know what she like everybody in this room, three people have just nodded going, I know this book. And actually four people have nodded. I know this, but five people have nodded. The Artist's Way. I read that book and it changed my life because I followed it to the letter and it gives you a. For those who don't know, it gives you a series of instructions to really aw artisan with you. If you want to pivot, if you want new direction, if you want to find out what's inside, you give it. I really firmly believe the answers are within you, all of you, whatever path you want to take. And I read this book, did the challenges, it makes you sort of waken. And so I wrote my first children's book. This was very young children, you know, this is seven years, six to seven year olds. And I thought there's a gap in the market. So I did Eugenia Lavender. It did very well. Okay. Bit of a gap. And what I love about writing, you can do it anywhere. When your kids are at school or, you know, if you're traveling, it's not, you know, it doesn't tie down. You can still. And you get really to be. You get to be the boss, you know, which is fantastic in so many ways. And so to be able to, you know, to develop just through experience, you know, it's just, it's really a wonderful thing.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And how have your have your fans from, you know, I guess from where you started in music to now sort of followed you into your reading and writing journey?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I have to say they have because one the sort of genesis is always the same in me because you know, I want the story to inspire you. But I mean Rosie Frost is a page turning adventure, you know, for any. Because of my reading myself, I feel very, very like it's a. I've got to. It's paramount of importance to me that it's page turnery. But there's. There is something. I'm a curious person. I'm nerdy, I like facts and all of that just a little bit. But. And then there's a little bit of love there. But you invest in the characters, you know, Rosie and Jackson and Bina and Charlie and Ottilie, she's just like a slay queen. You just think, I love you, and she's funny, but they all have an arc and you process things through them and escape with them. So I feel very responsible as a reader myself to make sure that you feel held and heard and you can't put it down.

[Kale Lowry]

Absolutely.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

But then also to give you value, in the back of the book, you've got a song. So if you were a fan, you know, of my previous, you know, incantation, then you're going to get some music in there just for you. You just scan it.

[Kale Lowry]

I do love, as a reader when books have like a playlist at the end or some kind of song that just. It just adds an extra layer, a little elevated.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

What's your favorite book?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, the Nightingale.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I haven't read that.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah. It's a World War II historical fiction.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Nightingale by any other name, which is by Jodi Picou, and that's also historical fiction. And then I also loved Wild Dark Shore just came out.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay. Historical fiction is brilliant. And that's how I got, you know, entry into this kind of genre is because I read the other Berlin Girl.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And she, Philippa Gregory, is like the slay queen of that genre. But what I try to do with Rosie Frost is it's set in present time, but the heritage of her background, the school where she's at has got all. If you like history, it's all in there. If you want a little bit of science or it's all in there, but it's murderous. So you keep patroning for whatever reason suits you.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. So there's a third book coming.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

So we.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, I'm in it already. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. How do we feel about that? Do you see it becoming like a TV series, a movie, anything like that?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Very exciting. I'll circle back when I'm in and when I can.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. Well, that's exciting news. Right. And how do you balance all of it between, you know, motherhood and, you know, everything else that you're doing and then writing, too, because as you said, you can do it anywhere. But also to. I've written books and sometimes it consumes you. Right. Like, because you're like. All I can think about is what's next in the novel. So how do you. How do you balance all the things?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I think. I think it's letting. Letting going of it. Letting go of it. Perfectly. Sometimes a bit of discipline, you know, getting up and no matter what, just meet the, you know, the page at 9:00 in the morning and then, you know, and so really using the time for a few hours you're at your desk, phone outside and that's no distractions.

[Kale Lowry]

Yep.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Then sometimes you're going to get inspired.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I think I've become much more guarded of my time.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You know that I'm not going to have so much. I mean, you've got a lot of children that want your attention and I love being a mother. So, you know, to show up for them and for myself, my artists within me, to feel satisfied just takes, I think it takes a bit of practice.

[Kale Lowry]

To juggle it all. Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You just think. Okay. And also forgiveness when you. Sometimes you're not going to get it perfect.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Do you think that you have included pieces of yourself in your characters or pieces of your family?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Definitely, definitely. But all people around me, it's like being, I think it's like being a chef that you sort of take, oh, I'll take that person, Bina, the character in there, she's a little bit of my. Someone that I know and then someone else I know that this child that I know. Yeah, but so you keep the anonymity. You can't help it. You can't help it. But fundamentally, I think there is a level in all of us that is the same. This is a generalization. We all want to be loved.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And heard. And even in the best of us, there's a little bit of, you know, there's the worst of us and in the worst of us, you know, there's a little bit of greatness too.

[Kale Lowry]

Absolutely.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

So I sort of make, try and make well rounded characters that we can all connect with. And I love that you watch their journey and surprise and cry when they die.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. No, that's the worst. I hate when that happens.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah. They've got to though.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, they have to.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Someone that you have to make, you know, someone always has to die. You have to cry in a book and I always endeavor to make you cry and laugh and laugh out loud. There's bits in it that I'm like, I sort of was muttering with humor when I was like a certain chapter. I'm like, that's quite amusing to me.

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[Kale Lowry]

Did you know that you always wanted to be a writer? Like when you're going on world tours and you're.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, before I would say I was studying it, English literature and, and then my path took another way. But I did contemplate at one point being a journalist.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

So I did think about it and it was always useful, you know, with, you know, within the band to contribute in that level. I found it really, you know, I could give authentically, you know, the power of words and ideas.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You know, sort of that sort of landscape of it. I really enjoyed that bit, you know, whatever it came to.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You know, whether it was videos, you know, your storytelling within a song is like a coffee shot of a story, whereas a book is just a longer feast.

[Kale Lowry]

Did you share any of the same? Like did any of the girls that you toured with or other celebrities that you met along the way share the same interests as you with, like writing and books and things?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I'll tell you who gave me the the first piece of advice. Do you know who Dawn French is. She's a comedian.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No, she was in French and Saunders. She used to be in. What did she be? She was really good. If you look at Vicar of Dibley, she's really funny.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And she's so clever and brilliant comedienne. She told me, leave the phone outside. That was the first bit. But I love. I love sharing, like, love of books with other people. You go, what did you think of that bit? A good one. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. What is your favorite book of all time, would you say?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

It's so hard to say. I mean, you must have that thought a lot because ones that stay with you, for example, lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. I read that as a child. Amazing. But then I've, you know, in my 30s, I remember reading the Book Thief.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And that. It. That was so different and incredible. And then I read There's Surprise a Hamnet. Have you read that? Okay, that's. Oh, my God. That makes you cry.

[Kale Lowry]

You need to read the nightingale.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay. But sometimes I think, oh, my goodness, do I really want to cry? Tomorrow, tomorrow, Tomorrow. That's another one that will make you cry.

[Kale Lowry]

I feel like you love crying at bones.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No, I don't. But then I don't want to. Like, I picked one up the other day and it started. It felt a bit different. I thought, no, I'm just going to watch a comedy. Thank you.

[Kale Lowry]

Either laughing or crying. No, in between.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah. It's extreme.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you have a favorite comedian?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Do you know what? I'm gonna say this. I'm watching the studio. Seth Rogers. Seth Rogen.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. He's so funny.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

He's so funny. I didn't like, forgive me, Seth, but I had no ide idea how funny he is.

[Kale Lowry]

Have you met him?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No. Oh, you should be nice.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. I've never met him, but he seems like he would be nice.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

He come. He's brilliant.

[Kale Lowry]

Have you met any. I don't think I've met any comedians now. That it? Like.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Because normally comedians are like. They're normally a little bit not as funny when you meet them.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. I always wonder that because I feel.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Like they're storing it all up the nuances for that moment.

[Kale Lowry]

They gotta make sure their jokes hit right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. That's so funny. So what. What is your favorite hat to wear? Right. Like you. I know that you are all the things, but what is your favorite hat to wear?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I mean, they're all like Batman suits. I don't know. What does your tattoo, the bee mean?

[Kale Lowry]

My. One of my twins. Ver. His name is Verse and he. Verse. Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah. And why did you call him Verse?

[Kale Lowry]

I just love that name, I guess, that word.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Verse. Verse, like from the Bible. Verse.

[Kale Lowry]

Verse. Yeah. So I. This wonderful woman in Australia made. I guess she. What they call them jumpers, like a sweater. She hand knitted it.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And it said his name on it, and it had little bumblebees on it. And so ever since she gifted that to me, I associate. Like, I think of bees when I think of Verse, and I think of Verse, I think of bees, and I just love them. I think they're so cute.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And how old is Verse?

[Kale Lowry]

He's one.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Oh, my goodness. And the twin.

[Kale Lowry]

Valley.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Valley. Valley. And Verse, did you know that you were going to have twins?

[Kale Lowry]

I found out I was going to have twins right away, but I thought they were both going to be boys.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Interesting. But this is two eggs.

[Kale Lowry]

Two eggs, yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay, so that means it's in your family.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, well, it's in my family. And also, I know it doesn't come from the male, but he also. His mom's a twin, and I didn't know that. Yeah. So it does come from the mom's side. A lot of people think that if the dad has twins, it's genetic, but it's not. It's not.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. It's mothers. And so we have them in my family and he has them in his, which is really weird.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Oh, my God.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Amazing.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. So if we have our little verse.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You'Re like the Waltons.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know what that means.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Oh, my God. You need to go and look back at American history.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

The Waltons.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you think we'll make history potentially?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, of course you're making history. Okay. Ask one of your friends.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Mothers or, you know, relatives that are slightly older.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

About the Whartons. Right. And they will know exactly what I'm about to say. And they went, good night. Good night, Grandpa. Good night, Grandma. You know, and they all said. And there was about seven of them. The kids.

[Kale Lowry]

There's seven kids. I have seven of them.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay. Yeah. So that's what I think. You need to go and watch it. Just Google the Waltons.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, I'm going to. That'll be my. On my drive home, it was always.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

A very loving family experience.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I hope, like, that has a warm place in my heart. The Whartons.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. And are there an American family?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yes, it's a big American TV show.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't think.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I used to watch as a little girl. And they lived up on this valley. So valley inverse.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And it was just very charming. But they, you know, you'd face. They'd face their adversities together.

[Kale Lowry]

When you say you grew up watching it. So did you live in the UK and you just toured here, or did you eventually move here?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No, I lived in the uk, but we all had American television.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, you did. So why don't we get, like, the BBC?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Well, you can now, but we had things like the Waltons, the A team. Like, we were flooded. Charlie's Angels. We were flooded with American television. And then we'd watch these movies, and back in the day, you only had a few channels and you'd think, America Ghostbusters. And you'd see New York and think, wow.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. But when you actually got to New York, how did you feel?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No, it was still really charming. Do you know what it was? I remember because I'd only ever seen America on big movies, right. You know, yellow cabs or big limousines. You have this idealization of what it's going to be. But I remember when I first arrived in Los Angeles and I saw a limousine, I was like, wow. This was when limos weren't, you know, so available. Now everyone gets a limo just for their birthday party. Do you know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

But then it was like a big deal, and I saw it and I was like, oh, my God, I felt like I was in a movie.

[Kale Lowry]

Did they not have that in?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Not really. It was a very much more American culture, I think.

[Kale Lowry]

So the difference between, I guess, the celebrity world here and in the UK is very different.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I don't know. I think you start to sort of homogenize, merge into one. But I would say back when I was younger, there was a much more. It just felt very, very adrenalized, and it felt really optimistic. And we can do it.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You know, So I was brought up with that energy, watching it and thinking, yeah, that's it. That's a dream.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah. Fame. There was a TV show called Fame. Okay. Need to look at these programs. They're American. They're your heritage.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Fame is another one.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, I'm going to look it up. That'll be my homework on the way home.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, totally. It's got a really good soundtrack.

[Kale Lowry]

We're all about the music. Have you been on Booktok lately? Do you get on Booktok?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No, I. I haven't been on it.

[Kale Lowry]

Lately, but so I know you're on Goodreads. The books are on Goodreads. I don't know. If you're on Goodreads. But I did see the books on Goodreads, so they're definitely there. But I was gonna say, I think booktok has really taken off and really helped authors with getting their books out to new audiences. And so I was gonna ask what you thought maybe the reaction to your books has been on booktok. But I can let you know.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Can you let me know?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, absolutely I can. Because I know that Rosie Frost the first, because this is a duology right now, but it will be a trilogy.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

And book one was a New York Times bestseller.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

How did that feel? What did you say when you got the news?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

It's like mind blowing.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And extreme gratitude. I just feel incredibly grateful that you know this. It's connected. That's all you can hope for 100%. Because it's very exposing and you just go for it.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

But when people connect, it's just so rewarding.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. It's really nice. And I'm sure you have people of all ages that come to your signings because they know, a lot of, you know, people my age knew who you were growing up. But then we're also having kids and explaining to our kids who you are. But then they know you as an author, not as a pop star.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And so that's kind of cool.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yes, very cool. And so. But I try and write books that if whatever is ageless, timeless. So you.

[Kale Lowry]

I could read it. My 15 year old could read it.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Read it. Yeah. A good reader, 10 year old could read it. But also a 47 year old could read it. Anyone can.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And you'll get what you need out of it. If you just want page turning fast, adventure, that's it. But if you want, you know, nerdy factors in there, if you want relationship, like you're gonna cry or kiss, it's in there.

[Kale Lowry]

Not the first kiss.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I can't. The first kiss is in there.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Period. The fear, which is my oldest is around that age. Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

The first kiss is in there.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. Well, I'll let him know.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Here you go.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

It sort of touches on it in a very. I'm quite proud of the way it touches on love. Just very gently, that confusing time. And actually what it says in that, that 14 year old, she's just turning 14. It's the age of power. And we go through different chapters in our life where we suddenly go, do you know what? This is a new chapter. I'm reclaiming it. I'm owning my identity. And that can happen Whether you're 14, 27, 35, you know, different periods. And we will go like, okay, this is a new phase, right?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. No, I think that's relatable for everybody. And I think we all change sort of not identities, but we go through that throughout our lives.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Just evolution.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, exactly.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I think it's natural.

[Kale Lowry]

So we talk brief. Briefly touched on a third book in the works, which is really exciting. But what do you think the main differences. And I sort of already touched on this, but what do you think the main differences between writing a memoir? Like, were you writing real life? Things that were happening as they. As they were happening, and then this was like you're setting deadlines for yourself and it was a little bit different.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

There is a saying you can either write on. They call it pants or premise. I said, do you know this? Yeah, yeah. And so. And the first book, I was just. The first Rosie, I was just writing, you know, by the seat of my pants. I didn't really plan.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I did plan character that always stayed the same, but the actual premise, I kind of knew. And then with book two, with experience, another author said to me, why don't you just write an outline first? But I always knew, and I know what my ending is for the end of book three. I always knew that from the beginning.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And. And you put yourself in. And, you know, but then there is structure and you become attached to the characters. Whereas I think an autobiography is much more, in certain ways, a cathartic experience.

[Kale Lowry]

I would agree.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Do you know what I mean? It's just like this happened and this and you processing as you do it. So. And I did that many. I mean, it was a quarter of a life. You know, I was only 26 when I went to. So you've done it too. And, you know, I always think actually when people come up and say, oh, I went through that too. That was useful. And that's quite nice, isn't it?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Has anything that you experienced both, I guess, as a pop icon, but also writing the memoirs shaped the way that you shaped your characters? Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

There is something in here that I've put in all the way through, actually, and that is grit. It's about grief. Okay. So if you want page turning adventure, that's it. You're gonna get it. Right. But there is a little bit of, I call it iceberging subtext to the character Rosie Frost. She's lost her mother, and we know lots of orphans in different stories, but actually she. You see, you feel her process losing her mother. And if you ever Experience grief like I did when I was younger. My dad died when I was young, and I had this constant feeling that I didn't know how to process. And everyone's quite, in the west, quite conservative, quite modest about their feelings, whereas in the east they were very much about, you know, everyone passes and how you process it. And so I had this sort of contained feeling within me that I felt quite stuck when I was younger. And so looking at that, I put it in the book that, you know, Rosie, she's going through that feeling of like she's quite angry, actually, and she's sort of really trying to put a lid on it. And so I think everything is copy, everything is useful, right? You know, whatever you've experienced with your. Your own child and your beginning. And what the subtext of this is also is that. And in book number two, and it says one of the characters, Jackson, he's kind of a bit of a love interest, and he comes from a different kind of, you know, heritage, family. And he says, isn't it interesting? You know, we have all these backstories, and it doesn't matter who you are, you know, whether you're the duchess or the dustman, it doesn't matter. We all have a backstory, right, from our. From our families, you know, the. What we've inherited. And the truth is it's our conditioning of our environment, whether we're going to pull the trigger on it or not, whether it's going to get triggered. Right, Right. And so. And it sort of really like, shows that up. For example, she's acting on revenge, like she wants revenge for her mother's murder, and she sort of doesn't act in the best way. And then she's got this like, icky feeling afterwards now, okay? So that's in that adventure. Now I'm looking at you, and you were telling me you a little bit about your story, and I'm. I think you've been quite open about it. Now, I'm looking at you as a woman. We don't know each other that well, but I'm thinking, okay, here is a woman that she's had seven children. Okay? You told me that you don't have a mother, an active mother in your life, and you didn't really have one. Okay. Yet. And you had a child at 17, yet you managed to turn your poop to fertilizer, as in whatever was going on. And look at. Look at you now. Look at you now.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that metaphor.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah. Look at you now. You are a slaying businesswoman. A brilliant mother, and you look great.

[Kale Lowry]

Thank you.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah. And say you haven't. You've actually. You pivoted to what your. How would you say, the. The conditions that could have triggered somebody else into a different way, a different path, yet you've gone, nuh, I'm gonna make something great. And that's amazing. And we're all learning as we go. Rosie Frost, she. She goes through those. It's very real what happens to her. And she's angry and she's thinking. She acts badly at a moment and then suddenly goes, do you know what? This doesn't feel good.

[Kale Lowry]

That's relatable.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

That's relatable. So I try to make it a very modern story, although it's like heightened realism in certain ways, but actually all the feelings and everything she goes through is real.

[Kale Lowry]

Right. But in order to create a character like that or maybe recognize that in me, would you say that you had to. You also faced adversities?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Absolutely. We all have to in different shapes and forms. Every single one of us that's listening. You, me, everyone, we have, we get presented with different challenges. And someone said to me, those challenges in our life, they are qualifiers, those obstacles, those. But that. Okay, what am I gonna do with this? How about. How. How. How bad am I. Do I want this? Or, you know, what am I gonna do with this? Am I gonna let it define me? Or. Or I'm. I'm gonna let it shape me in a positive way.

[Kale Lowry]

Right. So I can imagine that you probably experienced a lot of that too, just going through everything and being as famous as you were your whole life, like, that had to have presented its own set of challenges.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, I think it just. It puts a microscope on all of us.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

It just. Just. It just presents itself differently.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you think that with the rise of social media, could you imagine have. Having been as famous as you were growing up or. I guess not growing up.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I mean, that is tricky, isn't it? Because everything is documented, isn't it?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, at least. And not to say that it's not. It wasn't hard. Right. But like, thinking about, you know, maybe Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, a lot of their early struggles with fame. I would say struggles or challenges, rather, you know, and same for you and the Spice Girls and, you know, everybody, they. It's not. Not everything is on video. Maybe like a tabloid or something. I don't know. Do you think it is harder or do you think it's.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I don't know. Here's the truth. Like if you ask like, like you're a great grandmother. Right. And look at, you know, where she came from and she looks at the world, it just keeps on turning and moving and evolving.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

That is a guarantee the world is going to change whether we like it or not. Right, Right. And so you know, even from where she started in 1901 or whenever it was.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Or 1940 something. And looking at now, you know, in 60, the way the industrial revolution changed, you know, from not cars to having cars, having a computer, that was fast. And then we've, you know, we're just progressing and moving I from, I would say it has its blessings and curses. Just think about this now. So you and I, we're having a nice conversation, we're processing something and we are able to share that, you know, and make the world a little village or a little chat. Do you know what I mean? If it wasn't for digitalization, this would not be happening.

[Kale Lowry]

Right?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Right. So that is a blessing.

[Kale Lowry]

Absolutely.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

That's a beautiful thing. So, and I think it's just we're all just learning and choosing how the world's gonna shape us and we'll suddenly go, do you know what? That works? That doesn't. It's a bit like sugar and cigarettes.

[Kale Lowry]

Do they not go together?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Well, think about it. When they first came out, no one really, you know, they didn't come with a label.

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[Kale Lowry]

Everyone that I've met from the UK is so much more polite than Americans.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Oh Really?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Like calling someone darling and then you sat right here next to me or asking about me. That would never happen with an American.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Well, maybe that's just, you know, is that confidence?

[Kale Lowry]

Maybe.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

Maybe. No. I don't think anyone that I've ever interviewed has been like that.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Am I the first British person?

[Kale Lowry]

No. I had another author on who's British? Alice Feeney. She writes suspense thriller novels. I had her on pretty recently. I loved her. She was, again, one of the sweetest women I've ever met. I just love everyone. I think I'm gonna move to the uk. I think I'm gonna move there.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I'm very proud of the United Kingdom. But what I will say about America, I think I feel like we're cousins, so we have this sort of connection. And obviously, you know, we all, you know, have history, and we all can be idiots at different times. None of us have behaved perfectly, but we're all still connected. You know, that there are good bits that we feel. I feel like Americans and Brits, we're cousins.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I can. And there's some amazing bits that we learn from each other and love each other for sure. You know, so.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I just. I just love it. I might be British. I think I'm British.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I'm thinking you bit Scottish.

[Kale Lowry]

I am.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Are you?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, but, like, a bit Scottish.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. It's like Scottish English. I did Ancestry and 23andMe. I did both. Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And which one's the best one to do?

[Kale Lowry]

So 23andMe has the health aspect that you can do. So it'll give you, like, what, your percentage of likelihood to be allergic to certain things or what type of body type you have or.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Do you think it was helpful?

[Kale Lowry]

I do, because now that I. So I just recently had a breast reduction surgery.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Gonna get back in the gym. And it sort of gave me, like, my body composite composition, my body type. And so that gives me insight to how I should work out to be in the best shape, which is super helpful. It just has, like, cool, fun facts in there. I'm terrified of having Alzheimer's, so it gives me, like, my likelihood of that. So I definitely think 23andMe.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

23And Me.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And the other one is ancestry.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

So that gives you more about.

[Kale Lowry]

That one's more like building your family tree and seeing who you're related to. Like, I think I found out from there that I was like, Benjamin Franklin. Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Pretty cool.

[Kale Lowry]

It is. But I. Yeah. So they're both cool for different Reasons. Just do both. Honestly, just do both. It's cool. And you can connect with relatives, can you? Yes.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Oh, my goodness.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I found cousins on there that I didn't even know. Actually found out recently. Like, I went down a whole rabbit hole about, like, my dad, who's. Maybe I shouldn't be Lowry. My last name is Lowry, but maybe I shouldn't be Lowry. So there's a lot of drama on there. If you are wanting to open that.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Can of worms, what it's saying to me is that one, we all want to connect.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

We want to feel connected, but we also want to know, feel our own identity. Rosie Frost is all about that. It's all about that. And there's a whole family tree in it. Okay. And she's finding. She's sent to that island, Bloodstone island, and her mother's died. She doesn't know who her dad is. That's. You know, that's quite a modern question. Yes. And she's. She's. She's wondering, actually, in book two, she's going, who's my dad?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, that's my dad. I met my dad when I was 17.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Okay. There you go. She's wondering because we want to think, oh, who are we? Who am I? Who am I connected to? Those are natural questions that we can all ask ourselves. I'm learning, ultimately, you have the truth inside of you, of your own wisdom and your own answers. They're all in you.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. No, I agree. I think it's a little bit hard getting the answers, but I think we have them.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You have them.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Because. Is it because there's so much noise? Think about it.

[Kale Lowry]

I would say so.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

If you've got all, you know, lots of children and work and this and that and that, I get quiet and go, okay, what does my heart feel here?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Sometimes it's hard to get there. Lots of therapy. Years of therapy, you know.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Well done, you.

[Kale Lowry]

Well done, you.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Thank you.

[Kale Lowry]

You have all these books. I'm so excited for the third one. That's really exciting. We actually went out and got the first book today. We went.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Thank you.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Because I was like, we can't do. I have an online book club. So we're gonna give them away. But we only had book two. We didn't have book one. So it's like, we can't just give away book two. We have to give away the. Do all the set.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I can't.

[Kale Lowry]

You know what? I.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Very good. I like this book club.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Feel free to join us for book club. Anytime.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Thank you. What's the name of your book club?

[Kale Lowry]

Chapter seven. Because I have seven children.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Chapter seven. Do you know what my mother says, right? She says it, and she's Spanish. And she says to me, every time there's something might not go as you'd hope, she go, and this is. Forgive the Spanish action. She go, chapter 17. Move on. I'm like, okay, are you bilingual? I can speak a. Get by if we were lost.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

A little bit.

[Kale Lowry]

That's cool. I didn't know you were Spanish.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

A little bit, yeah. I'm. I'm a cocktail.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Of many things. That's what I'm interested in doing. Ancestry thing.

[Kale Lowry]

You should do it. They used to have a show I had Tamara on and she did it. She went on a show where they do all of that for you, which I thought would have been really cool because you. Sometimes you get stuck when you like go down the. On Ancestry. There's like these like leafs that you add to the tree and it's like all the people and sometimes you can get stuck. Or maybe there's someone with the same.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Name in number two. Okay. So there's a. There's. It's called a futurology exhibition. Okay. And it like this, a very, very big investor of the. The school and the island. Okay. He's a multi billionaire, you know, trillionaire. They look at. They're doing a competition who comes up with different ideas, scientific ideas, and it's not the main story, but it's just one chapter of it. And there's one girl called Bina and she does exactly what you're talking about. They take it from one hair, just from your genetics and can absolutely reveal the lot for you. And some.

[Kale Lowry]

That's so cool.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

We're all interested, aren't we, in who we are.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. I just. I would love for the me to come from like a really cool history light bulb. I don't know, maybe like a Scottish king or an English king of some sort.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Why not?

[Kale Lowry]

But I. So far I haven't found that. But maybe one day.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Maybe one day.

[Kale Lowry]

Maybe one day. Would you ever write another memoir?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Maybe. Part of me thinks, God, that a lot has happened since that date that I wrote the first one, so. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

But maybe because as we grow and evolve as people, our perspective shifts and Hindsight is always 2020. So maybe just like looking at it from a new lens.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's a nice. That's. That's a. That's a great way to see actually a new lens.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I think when we go through something, you know, challenging, we might be angry or resentful or not understand why XYZ is happening. But maybe 10, 15, even 20 years down the line, you're like, wait, I needed that. For whatever reason, whatever that reason may be, or maybe you're like, I still don't understand. And so sort of just looking back and reflecting on everything that you've done and maybe by then you'll have several more books under your belt.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, I just put it I all that you've just mentioned. Resentment, anger, which is the natural thing that we feel.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

It's what we do with it.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And so I just use it. I use it for creativity. So we can either go in, I call it the ricochet of revenge. For example, you did that. So I'm gonna do that and then they're gonna do it back. And he goes boom, boom. And then there's that feeling over that resentment you mentioned, is that someone said it's like drinking poison and expecting that that other person to die. So staying with it, resentful, who does it serve?

[Kale Lowry]

So how do you feel about karma then? Do you believe karma is real?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No, I don't. You know, potentially I think I'm open to that, but I think, you know, but allowing to letting go of that, you know, resentment towards someone is of service to myself.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You know, because otherwise I'm in constriction and I can't. I'm so like caught up in that. I'm blocking actually what's inside of me, which have other answers, other paths to lead.

[Kale Lowry]

And the other person doesn't feel it, right?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No, of course they don't. What I will say is though, sometimes resentment is gas in your tank. But unfortunately it's short lived, you know, that sort of. Excuse me, that. F you. F you. I'm gonna show you I can do it.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

But actually it's a battery power that's gonna run out.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

So when I. So when I'm fueled with something greater and bigger, then I'm bit. I'm plugged into like the socket in the wall rather than a battery.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Does that make sense?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. No, that makes like at first it might propel you, but then what happens when that, when eventually you let go, then what?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And it's exhausting.

[Kale Lowry]

No, it's so exhausting.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

It's exhausting.

[Kale Lowry]

Resentment, hate, anger, all of it.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, it's absolutely exhausting to keeping it up.

[Kale Lowry]

Absolutely. It tortures us more than it tortures the other person. I would definitely Agree with that. Did you do audiobooks for these?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yes, I did.

[Kale Lowry]

You audio.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

My God.

[Kale Lowry]

Did the audio for them?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yes, I did.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Because the number one did really. The first book did really, really well.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Second one. Oh, my good. I created, like, new characters, a couple of new characters. So I found myself in one sitting, Right?

[Kale Lowry]

You read it in one sitting?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No, no, no. It took me about, oh, my God, three weeks to do right. In one sitting. So that was like three hours worth. And I'm reading the couple of chapters. I did about four different accents. I went from. So forgive me, listeners of audible. Oh, my God. Yeah, I do an Irish accent like that. So I'd be like, kale, what do you think you're doing? And then I went from. There's a. There's a character called Akiva, and she's just slay. And she's like, oh, my God. Kay, what do you think you're doing? You're out of your mind kind of thing. Oh, she's country. Yeah. And then. And then there was. It was like my take on Texas, so. Forgive me.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And then who else? There was. There was a French Marie Curie, and she was like, oh, my God, what are you doing? We will find a murderer.

[Kale Lowry]

But see, we love that. I. I always ask for recommendations on a good audiobook that has the different accents, the different characters, like, all of that. Yeah. Okay. So for anyone that's listening, that is a part of chapter seven book club, definitely check out the audio version of Rosie Frost series.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, I think that. Yeah, I always feel like, because I. I buy books and I listen to audible, I want to make sure that everyone feels like absolute, like, get. They get there. They get the full value.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Like a full experience.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

So I think, okay, I'm gonna give it, you know, all out there.

[Kale Lowry]

So I love that. I think that the full experience, whether you're reading it, the book version or, you know, the physical copy, Kindle, audible, whatever, you're.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah, you get a song actually, with a book and the audible.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You just scan it.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that. So before we do rapid fire, you guys can buy the Rosie Frost series at Barnes and Noble, Amazon, wherever you guys buy books, you can also find it on audible. So I highly suggest listening to the audio version. So this or that I guess we could do for rapid fire.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I think that might be.

[Kale Lowry]

So you appeared as a judge on different TV shows. Which one was your favorite? The Rivals, the X Factor UK or Australia's Got Talent?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Actually, I'm gonna go for something completely Different.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

There was a show. Okay. That only had one season called America's All American Girl.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And it only did one season. Didn't go. But it was actually quite a nice experience.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, you loved it.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I. Sometimes the process was good.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

That's good to know. Do people still watch it?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, they're not even replaying season one?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I don't think so. No. It didn't make it.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. So you've also acted. You've done Spice World, Crank, High Voltage and Gran Turismo. Which one was your favorite?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Gran Turismo was amazing because I was in a scene with Jarman Husson, who was in Gladiator, and I had to bring my A game. Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

That was like an experience. And afterwards he went, oh, you really can act like, he was like. I was like, okay. And I studied acting. But I tell you what else that really was fulfilling was I had a scene in Sex and the City.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yes.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Phoebe Kittenworth.

[Kale Lowry]

And I loved it.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I remember being in the meat packing district. District. And I had a scene with Samantha Jones. And I remember looking because I've been studying acting and I was like, oh, my God. I feel. I just felt so grateful. I looked up at the sky and I was saying, I am loving my life right now.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that, though. Do you prefer the, like, unscripted versus scripted, or do you prefer acting?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

What do you mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, for when you were judging and doing. I guess they were like more like a reality real life, if I had to call it.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

For me, I prefer the. I prefer being the painter than the paint. I prefer creating.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Than being. So. But, you know, they all have their mediums. They're all useful. It's all okay.

[Kale Lowry]

For sure.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Favorite.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

They do. You know, whether it was a really serious drama.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

You know, Oscar winning. That is important, as is, you know, a piece of reality TV that's just light and fun and we process. They all are needed. It's like a salad.

[Kale Lowry]

Would you ever do judging again for, like, American Idol or the Boys?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I think that market is crowded.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. Fair. That's fair. Yeah. Favorite song to perform ever.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

There's a song that I once saw. It was in a Tarantino movie. Okay, Right.

[Kale Lowry]

Quentin Tarantino.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Quentin Tarantino movie. And it's Django Unchained.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And Jamie Foxx, he is on a horse and he's, like, riding across.

[Kale Lowry]

Did you say Django?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Django Unchained.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I know. I've seen that.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Do you remember when Jamie Foxx is on the horse.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And in the backdrop is a Jim Croce song called I've Got a Name. Right. Well, I performed that song with one of the Rolling Stones in his lounge.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

And that for me, I was like, oh, my God.

[Kale Lowry]

This is.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

That's fine. This is amazing.

[Kale Lowry]

Can you tell us one thing that people don't know about you?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Well, that's riveting. So that's interesting.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I don't know. I really feel confident at reverse parking. Okay. It's really like random, isn't it? And I can speak German.

[Kale Lowry]

You can?

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Well, not bad. I. I can speak Get By. I'm not fluent.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I can speak Get By German. I love German.

[Kale Lowry]

So German, Spanish, English, a little bit.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that. So basically trilingual.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

I wouldn't say I'm there, but enough to get away. I love German.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that. Okay, what's this British slang term for like, see you next time. Anything that we don't say in America.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Cheerio.

[Kale Lowry]

Cheerio.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Cheerio. That's sort of like quintessential. That's from Mary Poppins. Cheerio. Like how the imagine what's his name. Yeah, that's funny.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, on that note, thank you so much for joining us on Barely Famous Podcast.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Thank you so much for having me and well done you.

[Kale Lowry]

Thank you.

[Geri Halliwell Horner]

Brilliant.

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