Tea Time With Jordy Cray

Summary

Barely Famous – “Tea Time With Jordy Cray”

Host: Kail Lowry
Guest: Jordy Cray
Release Date: September 5, 2025

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Overview

In this candid and engaging episode, Kail Lowry hosts TikTok personality, reality TV commentator, and addiction counselor Jordy Cray. They dive deep into the behind-the-scenes reality of “Teen Mom,” meeting childhood TV heroes, viral internet moments, mental health, addiction recovery, and the evolution of reality TV culture. Throughout the episode, both guests reflect on their personal growth, the impact of reality television on their lives and audiences, and the complexities of fame, addiction, and vulnerability online.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. From Fan To Castmate: Jordy’s Reality TV Full Circle

• Surreal Crossover Experience ([01:28]): Jordy describes the shift from being a long-time “Teen Mom” fan to interacting on and off camera with the cast: “I’m now on a show that I’ve watched for 16 years...getting hit at every angle” (Jordy, 01:28).
• Relates to nervousness and insecurity on TV (notably about his hair transplant), but finds comfort among the cast.

2. Podcasting, Critique, and Confrontation

• Addressing Criticism with Caitlyn and Tyler ([02:43]):
  • Jordy recounts earlier videos critiquing Caitlyn and Tyler’s public handling of their adoption storyline and subsequent podcast/live discussions.
  • Emphasizes the value of in-person, honest conversation for deeper understanding: “I wanted them to really see where like everybody else was coming from” (Jordy, 02:58).
• Standing By Opinions:
  • Kail probes whether Jordy softened his critique in person; he says, “No, I don’t think I needed to backpedal...Kate and Ty can handle it” (Jordy, 03:56).
  • Both reflect on how little fans know about editing, behind-the-scenes pressures, and real cast emotions.

3. Reality TV's Editing, Emotional Impact, and Misconceptions

• Editing & Emotional Progression ([04:24]):
  • Kail discusses the disconnect between viewers' perceptions and actual lived experience: “I would come off so cold, so defensive for things that happened two weeks ago...I’m not in that same state of mind” (Kail, 04:24).
  • Both note that viewers rarely grasp the producer manipulations and the passage of time between filming and airing.
• Never Getting the "Full Picture" ([05:40]):
  • Jordy is honest: “I don’t think I’ll ever have the full picture just because I’m so far removed from what they’re going through... But I can see where both sides are coming from.”

4. Unexpected Encounters & Public Personas

• Surprise Meeting with Farrah ([06:03]):
  • Kail surprises Jordy with an unannounced meeting with Farrah Abraham: “I was not expecting to see Farrah and Sophia today. It was quite shocking” (Jordy, 06:03).
  • Farrah ignores Jordy despite his past defense of her online. Jordy expresses the complexity of respecting aspects of someone’s journey while disapproving of other behaviors.
• Kail reflects on Farrah’s hustler mentality: “I've always admired her for that because I'm the same way...I think it truly does come from trauma and survival” (Kail, 08:52).

5. “Teen Mom” Cast Bonding and Franchise Evolution

• Cast Dynamics & Bonds ([09:13]):
  • Kail confides she initially felt left out among the “Teen Mom 2” cast: “I didn't bond with anyone. I came so late…as time went on…Leah was…one of my best friends, period” (Kail, 10:21).
  • Discusses shifting relationships over the years and why she feels a special bond with Caitlyn and Tyler.
• Casting Trivia & Early Gossip ([14:05]):
  • Reflect on original “16 and Pregnant” cast, casting process rumors, and selection quirks.
  • Kail reveals she thought her own casting was unremarkable and unexpected.

6. Behind-the-Scenes Drama: Crew, Editing, and TV Tricks

• Crew Scandals ([16:00]):
  • Kail recounts “Cameraman Gate,” in which a “Teen Mom” cameraman had a breakdown and spread cast secrets online, including attempts to party with underage cast members.
• Breaking the Fourth Wall & Production Tricks ([27:33]):
  • Both share how cast members subtly rebelled against post-production “pickups” and edits, e.g., intentionally altering their appearance between scenes to highlight temporal inconsistencies.
  • Discussion of “breaking the fourth wall” and cast being blurred out pre-format change.

7. The Future of “Teen Mom” & Streaming's Impact

• TV’s Changing Landscape ([19:26]):
  • Kail believes the franchise could have new life if it moved to a major streaming platform: “If it was on streaming, I think it could go on indefinitely...within the next five years...cable will be obsolete” (Kail, 20:07).
  • Both agree outdated platform choices hamper the show’s reach.

8. Generational Impact & Legacy of the Show

• Cultural Phenomenon ([24:02]):
  • Discussion on “Teen Mom” names becoming baby name trends and growing up with the show: “I feel so old watching the show now seeing him [Bentley] drive a car” (Jordy, 24:43).
• Parenting and Openness ([21:41], [22:20]):
  • Kail is frank about her open communication with her kids regarding their televised pasts: “I’m so open with my kids about everything...I don’t worry about anything” (Kail, 21:52).
• Both agree the show is also a “professional home video archive” for their children.

9. Viral Moments & Franchise Humor

• Reminiscing about iconic memes, scripted moments, and inside jokes, e.g., Joe’s “sell the baby” quips and cast member antics ([26:53]).
• Brainstorming future specials: a show where the cast’s now-teen/young adult children react to old episodes (“we should do that” – 26:36).

10. Ranking ‘Teen Mom’ Dads & Franchise Nostalgia

• Hilarious segment ranking the attractiveness and “smash or pass” potential of OG and “Teen Mom 2” dads ([29:09-34:26]), including Ryan, Tyler, Gary, Adam, Cole, Corey, Joe, and Javi.
  • Sample quote:
    • “Ryan...by far the hottest...and then he fell off...But now we’re back...rocking the salt and pepper thing” (Jordy, 30:14).
    • “I've never seen his dick. I don't want to see his dick.” (Kail, 28:28, on Jeremy Calvert.)

11. The Fame Perspective: Growing Up on TV & Changing Public Opinion

• Both reflect on how viewer perspectives shift over time and with maturity ([47:40]): “I used to hate you because I watched it from a different lens back then, and now that I'm an adult, I have a different perspective” (Kail, 47:56).
• Discussion on reliving embarrassing/awkward TV moments, and the luck of most people not having their mistakes broadcast.

12. Internet Deep Dives & Reality TV Obsessions

• Jordy reveals which reality families and stories perform best for his TikTok deep-dives (Chrisleys, Honey Boo Boo, Bravo shows) ([39:10]).
• Both discuss cult-like followings and the challenge of keeping up with inter-reality worlds.

13. Music, Pop Culture, and Nostalgia

• Bond over 2000s icons (Jessica Simpson, Britney, Christina, Pink, B2K), debate classics vs reboots, and mourn “Mean Girls” being remade ([42:07]-[44:03]).
• Talk about sad songs as comfort during heartbreak: “People resonate with pain more than they resonate with happiness…” (Kail, 41:21).

14. Recovery, Sobriety, and Professional Experience

• Jordy’s Sober Journey ([51:12]):
  • He’s a recovering alcoholic since 2013: “I got sober in September of 2013. I’ve been completely sober ever since” (Jordy, 51:14).
  • Currently a licensed addictions counselor, discusses the emotional highs and lows of the job.
  • Insight: “You’re not done until you’re done...people change when the pain becomes great enough" (Jordy, 52:14).
• Rock Bottom and Change:
  • Both agree addiction, like toxic relationships or weight loss, requires hitting a personal rock bottom before true change occurs.
  • Jordy reflects: “The year before I got sober was actually way worse than the year I got sober. I hit, like, a spiritual bottom in 2013” (Jordy, 54:43).
• Unique Perspective from Lived Experience:
  • Jordy explains his past as an addict makes his counseling more authentic and effective: “A little bit more of an edge” (Jordy, 55:31).

15. Family History, Substance Abuse, and Boundaries

• Kail talks about her complicated relationship with alcohol, citing her mother’s alcoholism and her aversion to alcohol’s taste and smell as a result ([62:02]).
• Expresses concern for her children not witnessing addiction and thus possibly lacking deterrence.
• Discussion on the dangers of pain medication and the hereditary risks of addiction ([63:21]).

16. TikTok, Virality, and DM Encounters

• Jordy shares experiences of public figures reaching out after being featured in deep-dives, both positively and contentiously ([44:23]).
• Emphasizes the dilemma of upsetting content creators while succeeding online.
• Kail invites Jordy to do a “deep-dive” on her in the future.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “People really do not know what goes on behind the scenes. There is a lot that people do not know.” – Jordy, [04:03]
• “I felt more relaxed once the cameras started rolling.” – Jordy, [01:41]
• “I think it truly does come from trauma and survival...trying to figure out your next move, never being complacent.” – Kail, [08:52]
• “The show is also like a professional home video of your children.” – Jordy, [23:02]
• “If it was on streaming, I think it could go on indefinitely...cable will be obsolete.” – Kail, [20:07]
• “I have a history of being attracted to medium ugly men.” – Kail, [29:25]
• “You're not done until you're done...people change when the pain becomes great enough.” – Jordy, [52:14]
• “I've never been blackout drunk...I'm so triggered by the smell” – Kail, [61:35]/[62:02]
• “I wanted to be the closest thing to death without being dead. That was being blackout drunk every time I drank.” – Jordy, [61:23]
• “I can't even imagine having a camera on me...I would have made yours look like child's play.” – Jordy, [46:40]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Meeting the cast & podcast swap – [01:28]
• Critiquing Caitlyn & Tyler, and resolution – [02:43]–[04:24]
• Farrah Abraham surprise encounter – [06:03]
• Cast relationships & franchise history – [09:13]–[14:59]
• Production secrets & on-set scandals – [16:00]
• Ranking Teen Mom Dads – [29:09]
• Music and pop culture memories – [41:21]–[44:03]
• Addiction & recovery deep dive – [51:00]–[62:02]
• Wrap-up & social media plugs – [64:27]

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode maintains a “real, raw, and uncomfortable” vibe, living up to the Barely Famous brand. Kail and Jordy blend humor and honesty, moving fluidly from playful roasting to deeply personal admissions. Both are unfiltered, fast-talking, and self-aware, offering candid insights that fans and casual listeners alike can relate to—whether it’s on reality TV manipulation, internet virality, addiction recovery, or navigating fame and personal growth.

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For New Listeners

Whether you watched “Teen Mom” or not, this episode offers a compelling look at what it’s like to grow up—and mess up—on camera, how internet culture shapes perception, and the hard work of recovery and self-reflection. The chemistry between Kail and Jordy keeps things lively, honest, and frequently hilarious, with enough substance to resonate deeply with anyone interested in reality TV, pop culture, or personal transformation.

Transcript

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[B]

Welcome to the show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain Kale, and you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, everyone, welcome back to Barely Famous Podcast. I'm here with Jordi Craig.

[C]

Hi.

[B]

Hello. Thanks for coming to New York.

[C]

Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

[B]

We were featured on Teen Mom. Teen Mom, Next Chapter. We were. Are we on the same episode?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. The last time I saw you in person, I think was in Chattanooga.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And we kind of all did these podcast swaps. We got to hang out, we got to film. What was that like for you?

[C]

Surreal, because I'm now on a show that I've watched for 16 years. I'm on TV for the first time, and I'm hanging out with people that I've watched on the TV show. So I was getting, like, hit at every angle.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And my hair still hadn't. Hadn't grown in from my hair transplant, so I was like, stressed about that on tv. Now it's finally, like growing in. Thank God. But it was stressful, but it was. I don't know. I felt more relaxed once the camera started rolling.

[B]

If that know that you had a hair transplant.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. It looks good.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Now you're just one of us.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

I like, you're just like, literally one of us. I feel like we're like, hey, can Jordy come to New York this time? Yeah, he booked his train. Okay, perfect.

[C]

Like, I just comfortable around you guys.

[B]

Yeah. You're one of the crew. Thank you. So what was the experience like recording with Kate and Ty and meeting. You met Macy, right?

[C]

No, I did not meet Macy. I was really looking forward to meeting her, though. But I didn't get a chance to.

[B]

So the episode airs tonight, which you and I didn't get to see the episode. So I only saw one clip of myself on social media and I'm having a conversation with Macy in the scene that I saw. So that's why I was assuming that you had met her now. So you went on Kate and Tyson podcast and what was that like? Because I know that you had certain feelings about that. And so where, where are you at now with it?

[C]

So, yeah, I made some videos about Caitlin and Tyler of how they, you know, talked about Brandon and Teresa on social media and how, you know, it's probably not the best thing for Carly. And that got a response from everybody and Ty invited me on Instagram Live and then we did that. But it was. It's Instagram Live's kind of weird. Plus it was kind of glitchy. So when they invited me on the podcast, I was like, okay, now we can have like a sit down conversation and really talk about it. And I wanted to get my point across, but I wanted them to really see where like everybody else was coming from because they only see it from their side, Right? Well, at least I felt like that at the time because I can only understand what they're going through. Like, I. I'll never really know, but I really wanted them to see, like, what a lot of America is saying and that's for, like, for you guys to shut up.

[B]

How do you feel about actually having that in person interaction, though? Because I think that so often, you know, on my side of it with Kate and Ty and maybe some other cast members, I'm not sure. But like, we feel like none of these people that comment on our lives will actually say some of these things to our face. Did you feel like you needed to backpedal at or did you stand 10 toes down on all of it?

[C]

No, I don't think I needed to backpedal. Yeah. Because I feel like although we didn't agree on certain things, Kate and Ty can handle it.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

You know, they're pretty, you know, strong in that sense. Yeah, I thought it went. I thought it was a good conversation. And one thing I learned from hanging out with all of you, people really do not know what goes on behind the scenes. There is a lot that people do not know. And I think it's a learning lesson for me too, to not assume shit about. About everybody. Because there's a lot that people just do not know.

[B]

No, absolutely not. And I think it's so interesting because, I mean, for me that's part of the reason why I left the show was because I would come off so cold, so defensive for things that happened two weeks ago. And they want me to film about it. And I've already talked about it, I've already handled it. And now you want me to rehab this conversation where I'm not in that same state of mind when X, Y and Z happened. I'm not my. You know, in the progression of emotions and things like that, there's so much that goes on off the scenes or you have like. Or off camera, I should say, like, thoughts that continue when you're not filming. And so you're not really seeing on the show and you're watching, you're not really seeing that progression or that, like those periods of time. Does that make sense?

[C]

And they edit you a certain way on the show, too. You don't have control over what they're going to show and what they're not. So I think towards the end of your run, it. People saw you get very frustrated with producers. You were like, no, I'm not talking about this. I'm not doing that. And I don't think people understand what was going on behind the scenes to make you have that sort of reaction.

[B]

So do you think after everything that you've seen and heard and read about, like the adoption and Kate and Ty, that you know what. You know what you saw and how you met them? Do you think that it all sort of like you. You get the full picture now, like, from both perspectives? Perspectives.

[C]

I don't think I'll ever have the full picture just because I'm so far removed from what they're going through.

[B]

Right.

[C]

But I can see where both sides are coming from.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do see where both sides are coming from.

[B]

When you walked into this house today, Farrah was sitting right where you were sitting right now. Okay. You. We didn't tell you that Farrah was going to be here because we wanted your reaction to it.

[C]

Yeah. I was not expecting to see Farah and Sophia today. It was quite shocking and.

[B]

Quite shocking is an understatement.

[C]

I. After the interview, when we were all, like, in the kitchen, I was waiting for her to acknowledge my existence, which did not happen.

[B]

She didn't say hi to you?

[C]

Nope.

[B]

Did you say hi to her?

[C]

No, no, she looked at me and just kind of looked away.

[B]

But, like, maybe she was waiting for you to say hi first.

[C]

Why would I say hi first?

[B]

I don't. Yeah, I don't really know Farah Very well.

[C]

I thought about it, because I have. All right, here's the deal with Farah. I have come to her defense a lot on social media, but she also says a lot of dumb shit that I cannot defend. So I. She's seen my videos before, so it's not like she doesn't know who I am.

[B]

Okay. That's number one.

[C]

Yeah. She has seen my video. She's commented on them before.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, them. But she probably sees a lot of videos. She might not put two and two together.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I see what you're saying. You know, it's so interesting because, like, with Farah and then also with Caitlyn and Tyler, I think that two things can be true. Right, right. Like, we can have respect for certain aspect of, you know, what Farah does or says in certain aspects. Obviously not all of them. But then also question, like, she does make questionable statements and does questionable things.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So, you know, the same can be said for myself. The same can be said for Caitlyn and Tyler.

[C]

Me too, actually.

[B]

You know, so, like, for Kate and Ty, like, what they're going through with the adoption, none of us that have never been through this, none of us can understand it. So it's so easy for us to say went about this the wrong way, when in all reality, we have no idea what it's like to go through something like that. And so, yes, we can be a voice of reason, but, like, both. We can still support them and love them and encourage them and cheer them on in this journey and, you know, wish them the best, but, like, still not necessarily agree with everything.

[C]

Do you ride for Farah?

[B]

I don't. Not in the same way. Yeah, probably not.

[C]

You don't have a bond with Farah like, you do?

[B]

No. And I'm not saying because, I mean, I just sat here in her presence and I told her, like, when she first. She was the first one in the franchise to write a book. And so I remember reaching out to Farrah around that time, like, because I also. Farah made a comment today that was something along the lines of, like, what are you gonna do with your teen mom money? Like, she was basically talking about that and how several of the cast members have done nothing with it. And so I have always related to Farah in that way of, like, I didn't. Wasn't born with a business mind. I was.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It was built out of survival. And so for me, I respected Farah in the way that she was always willing, like, always wanting to get the next Thing. Go to the next level.

[C]

Take yogurt shop. She had.

[B]

Oh, my God, Wait, I forgot about that.

[C]

She said something.

[B]

She said something today about having three stores. Are those still, like, alive?

[C]

I don't think so. The yogurt shop is not. No. She had a furniture store, too, but, yeah, she. That's one thing I'll give her. She is. She can make a buck.

[B]

Like, she's going to propel herself to the next thing. And I've always admired her for that because I'm the same way. It's like. And I think it truly does come from trauma and survival is like trying to figure out what your next move is and, like, never being complacent. So I will give that to Farah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I just don't know, like, in terms of, like, being a ride or die for her. I don't know her like that, but yeah.

[C]

Do you feel a bond with every single cast member or is it. Okay, who. Who are you bonded with or do you have a bond with?

[B]

Let me tell you, I don't. I think I've talked about this before. I don't know. You'll be able to tell me if you've heard me say this before. I wasn't originally supposed to be on Teen Mom 2. I wasn't supposed to be on 16 and pregnant season 2. I was supposed to be on 16 and pregnant to be. Which means that I did not meet any of the cast members of 16 and Pregnant season 2A 2A. So, okay, 16 and Pregnant was, I think, like 20 episodes or something. And it ended up being 10 and 10 or 8 and 12, something like that. Right at the very last minute, they switched me with Ashley Salazar. So Ashley went and met the cast that was. Ultimately became Teen Mom 2cast. Okay. Does that make sense?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So I didn't bond with anyone. I came so late into 16 and pregnant to be. Or. Sorry. I came so late into 16 and pregnant 2A that everyone had already met. So Chelsea and Leah formed a bond.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And then I. When we got picked for Teen Mom 2, I was naturally gravitating towards Janelle because Chelsea and Leo were already sort of together on, like, with all the things. And so I felt really left out because I didn't necessarily think that I. Janelle and I were compatible, but, like, Chelsea and Leah were like this. So I didn't feel. Not that I was a pick me, but I definitely felt left out. And so as time went on, you know, Chelsea did her own thing and sort of was an anomaly in the situation. And then Leah and I gravitated towards each other. We went on vacation together. And so I think for a little while I had a bond with Chelsea. Leah was at one period of my life, like not just one of my best friends on the show. Like she was one of my best friends, period.

[C]

And you guys don't talk anymore?

[B]

No, we don't talk anymore. And then, you know, I, I think Kate and Ty and I don't know if it's because of like the podcasting and them being on the network, but I would definitely say that, like there's just something. I just have a soft spot for them. And then Macy and I'm trying to think if there's any. I don't think there's anyone else that I really have a no right.

[C]

Do you think you have the bond with Kate and Ty because of the similar kind of upbringing?

[B]

I could see that. I could definitely see that they had.

[C]

Tyler's mom as support, but they didn't have a stable home life. And I think you're the only one who didn't have parents.

[B]

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[B]

Whatever happened, wasn't there a girl named Ebony? It was like and Whitney. It was like Amber, Caitlin, Macy, Farrah. I think a girl named Ebony and I think a girl named Whitney were all on 16 and pregnant season one. It was like six girls. I wonder whatever happened to them.

[C]

I remember, is it true that that girl Nicole was supposed to be on Teen mom too? Do you know who I'm talking about? She had the same daddy, Josh.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know who she is, but I don't think she was ever supposed to be on Teen mom too.

[C]

Somebody said her mom didn't allow it, that's why that she wasn't on it. Where did I hear that rumor Somewhere?

[B]

Maybe. I don't to this day. I know. I don't know how they did the selection process for Teen mom too. Because if I if I'm being honest, I was the season finale of teen of 16 and pregnant 2A. I don't think that my story was that compelling to be picked for Teen mom too.

[C]

Really?

[B]

No.

[C]

I thought so.

[B]

No. I would say mine was pretty unremarkable compared to the other girls. So I was, I was shocked that I was picked for it. So I it could very well have been Nicole. And then I was like a backup option.

[C]

How many girls did they like? I guess from the how many girls did it come down to 4?

[B]

I I don't Know, I don't. I remember being in the mall. I was at Victoria's Secret, circa 2011, 2012, I think, even. And I got a call, and I was literally shopping with my girlfriends, and I think I had Isaac there. And they're like, we would just like to, you know, extend the invite for you to film for 2Mom2. And I was like, yep. Need the money?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Need it. Sure, no problem. So I just think it's so weird to, like, see how everything, like, played out. And now here you are sitting with.

[C]

Me, and, you know, it's a full circle for me.

[B]

How crazy.

[C]

I mean, I. Let me tell you something. I don't think I've revealed this on a podcast. I used to have Facebook threads of Teen mom, and let me tell you something. I deleted them a long time ago. I would. Oh, my God. They were bad.

[B]

Like, were you talking?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, they were bad. Not so much. You. You.

[B]

It's okay if you talk about me.

[C]

One of it wasn't. No, you didn't get the brunt of it. You. Chelsea and Macy were sick. Spared me. Yeah, you.

[B]

Really? Even after I cheated on Jordan?

[C]

No. You got some flack, but for the most part, you three didn't get as much as.

[B]

What about Leah?

[C]

No. Oh, no, Leah got it. Yeah, Leah got it back. Do you remember, back in the day.

[B]

Did you follow Cameraman Gate back in, like, God 2000? Do you remember this?

[C]

I don't.

[B]

Do you remember this? I just named it that. I don't even know if that's what it was. A former teen mom to Cameraman had a psychotic break and, like, went on this, like, rampage online, like, divulging massive amounts of information about the cast members of the show and, like, how they lived and things like that. I think he said stuff about. I think he said actually very positive things about me. I was like, he's been in my house. Okay, that's comforting. But I think he had some really awful things to say about some of the girls. And he, like, brought. One time, me and Chelsea were in a hotel for Teen mom, and he, like, brought bags, like, backpacks full of alcohol and was, like, trying to hang.

[C]

Out with us while y' all were underage.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

And so, like, we. Chelsea and I, like, both went to the producers, and we're like. We're actually, like, there's. We think that there's something wrong with him.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And he was eventually blacklisted and never hired again for it. But, like.

[C]

Oh, that's wild. I had to know about that. Was that public information?

[B]

Yes, it was. It went very public. We. What's really sad is that, like, it's clear to me, because I had a good relationship with him.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I. And by relationship, I mean, like, a working relationship. And so I never really saw the signs. Like, I just didn't really. And so when all of this happened and he said good things about me, in some ways, I was like, well, I don't want to get him in. Like, he hasn't said anything bad about me. But then I had to put myself in, like, the other girl's shoes. And, like, it was. It was terrifying when he brought the alcohol. Like, that was.

[C]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, that was. And because I also don't drink, so, like, that wasn't something I was going to do anyway. But I just think when grown adults are willing to, like, interact with teenagers, like, even if you were 20 years old, like, you're still kind of a child.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So we've definitely gone through the ringer with Teen mom when the.

[C]

Since you hadn't filmed for MTV for a while with all the cameras there, did that make you want to go back?

[B]

No. Oh, no. Oh, no.

[C]

How much longer do you think the show can go on, though?

[B]

So here's the thing. I. I loved filming for Kate and Ty and Macy because it wasn't about me.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So I got to, like, actually catch up with Macy in real life and have conversations about. I didn't know half the stuff that she told me. Like, I. I know that it's in the headlines, but I don't pay attention to them because I know that they're gonna only paint a certain picture. And I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

[C]

Is that gonna be on tonight's episode?

[B]

I think so. Oh, I think it is. So she was, like, giving me the update on Ryan and things like that, and then it was just nice because I did not have to talk about my stuff. And I didn't. Even if I did, I didn't have to worry about how it was going to be chopped and screwed because it wasn't about me. So I didn't. It didn't matter. Whatever I said, it could be chopped and screwed. Does that make sense?

[C]

Yeah, it does.

[B]

It did not make me want to go back to TV in any way. Like, I would go back to tv, but that specifically didn't bring me back to, like, I want to come back to Teen Mom.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And to answer your question, do I think. How long. How long do I think the show can go on. I think that truthfully, if it was on streaming, I think it could go on indefinitely. The problem that I think that is happening is that the network, mtv, needs to have fresh content for cable. And I think they're doing themselves a disservice. I think they should bring back old shows or something, or, you know, bring back music. Do something where they can offer new, fresh content. But Teen mom itself, I think could have an entirely new audience audience if they would just switch it to streaming completely, like the new seasons on streaming, not the old ones. Because I think what's happening is that people are slowly not paying for cable.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Within the next five years, it's my opinion that cable will be obsolete anyway.

[C]

I don't have cable.

[B]

I don't. I haven't had cable in three, four years.

[C]

Nope.

[B]

And I don't care about it. And I don't. I don't. So, like, where are people watching Teen Mom? Can you watch it on a streaming platform?

[C]

What I did is I bought this season on prime so that I get the episode the next day. I pay for it.

[B]

But, you know, see, I didn't know that you could do that.

[C]

Yep. So I get the episode the next day. I hate the Paramount plus app, though.

[B]

Like, see Paramount.

[C]

It's slow. It's stupid.

[B]

That's the other thing is that, like, for me, with streaming services, I have all the. Like, I have Hulu, hbo, Max, Netflix. I'm not buying all the extra little ones. I'm not getting Peacock. I'm not a Peacock.

[C]

No, Opie. I live on. I live on Peacock, everyone.

[B]

This is why it keeps going up. What's on Peacock?

[C]

Bravo. We need you on Traders.

[B]

I mean, tell them that.

[C]

Yeah, because, I mean, Kale on Traders.

[B]

I'm not buying all the other. I. I think I pay for Hulu twice, actually, now that I think about it, it's like I could be paying for Peacock or something. I just think that they need to move Teen mom to another. A bigger platform than Paramount. Like, I love what they're doing, and I understand that, like, Paramount is associated with, like, the bigger umbrella.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But they doing themselves a disservice because it could go on even longer.

[C]

They should. Yeah, they should have a different app.

[B]

If I'm being honest, they should have given me my own show.

[C]

You. I mean, there's always something happening with you. I mean, you're definitely not boring to watch.

[B]

Well, the farm animals would be a fun little spin these days.

[C]

I love that. Is there anything on Teen mom or sixteen and pregnant that your kids have not seen, that you're worried for them to watch or that you'll have to explain.

[B]

The thing about that is that I'm so open with my kids about everything. I explain things to my kids level of understanding depending on where their maturity is. And so I don't think that there's anything that I'm worried about necessarily. I'm just so honest with them about things. And, like, we talk about all sorts of things from divorce and getting back together and, like, working things out and, you know, just like, all kinds of stuff that I just never. I don't worry about anything.

[C]

Really great kids.

[B]

Thank you. Their dads also help with that. Joe and Javi, as much as we disagree sometimes, like, they do a good job with explaining things in a way that is. I feel helpful and like, real life versus, like, sugar coating things and, like, trying to make it go away.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's helpful. That's awesome to have, like, you know, dads that are like, that wasn't my butt.

[C]

It's all good. I wouldn't judge you if it was.

[B]

I, like, leaned back and it, like.

[C]

But it's. I think it's also. It's also amazing that you have these. These, like, professional home videos of your children.

[B]

Oh, Isaac's first birthday.

[C]

I mean, him being born, him on my feet.

[B]

Joe, it was just one foot. It was one foot. But, like, why did you let go? I needed the stability like, that. I'll never live down. There's just like, I've. I feel like I've lived a thousand lives. And I'm sure you have now too, because you've literally been on it and you watched it and you had threads about it, which is so crazy to me. I like, think about. I used to tell people that Britney Spears was my sister. And, like, they, like, as if they.

[C]

Wouldn'T know that that's not true.

[B]

I. My hometown had 4, 000 people in it, so they believed it. Like, the kids believed it. Like, she literally is on tour all the time.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Like, I say all that to say, like, that would be like me hanging out with Louisiana.

[C]

Yes. She's from Kentwood, Louisiana.

[B]

I say all this to say that, like, that would be a full circle moment for me. It would be like, I, like, used to lie about being your family member, you know, like, for you, you're like, I used to follow the show, like, fall.

[C]

Let me tell you something.

[B]

My brother wear wigs like we did on the show.

[C]

No, No. I should have, though. My. I don't know if my brothers intentionally did this, but like, I have nieces and nephews that are like named after the kids on the show.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Wait, so I actually know someone. She has a Bentley and an Aubry spelled the same way as Aubry.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I'm not friends with her. I just know who she is. But I. That when it was like naming multiple children after teen mom cat, I was.

[C]

Like, that was the thing.

[B]

No, it really was like, I think the name Lincoln skyrocketed. Aubrey Scott Bentley went off the charts.

[C]

Yes, it did.

[B]

I think Bentley probably became like the number one name for a long time.

[C]

But I feel so old watching the show now seeing him like drive a car. I'm like, oh my God.

[B]

Oh, I literally.

[C]

Botox, please.

[B]

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[C]

Yeah, a couple episodes ago.

[B]

I was thinking about that yesterday. I'm like, I'm gonna go trade in a vehicle. And I'm like, I have to get. Do I get myself a daily driver or do I get Isaac's car? Like do I trade it in for Isaac's car that he's about to get because he's 15 and a half. So I. It's just so weird.

[C]

Were you there? I don't think you were there, but I pitched a show to Larry that day. I said, larry this is the show that you need. You need to get all the kids and have them, like, watch the show and get their reaction of what their parents were doing, like, at the. Like, even if it was different, like.

[B]

That podcast style, even, or like, Patreon situation, like a streaming thing. I also think a reality show from the kid's perspective, like, growing up in.

[C]

Reality TV, you know, when they're 18, I think we. We should do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, we're not far off. I mean, years.

[B]

15.

[C]

Yeah. Does he watch the show?

[B]

No.

[C]

I mean, I've seen him do, like, trends and everything. You belong in a cave.

[B]

Oh, yeah. He thinks that's. That's so funny.

[C]

Clip that keeps on giving because it's so versatile. It was so ridiculous.

[B]

I mean, here's the thing. People are like, how did you not laugh? Even with, like, this sell the baby thing? When I was like, I don't. I'm gonna tell Javier. I'm gonna start filming about selling.

[C]

I think Joe was looking for a moment.

[B]

Joe is always. Those were not genuine jokes that he was like. He was, like, trying to be funny. And that's why I never laughed, because it was so cringe to me, because I knew that he was, like, trying too hard.

[C]

That was funny, though. And he's like, sell your baby. Like, that was funny. At least to the audience. It was funny. Oh, my God. This show used to be so ridiculous. I remember wearing, like, wigs to, like, recreate, like, storylines. Leah's was really bad. Do you remember that blonde wig?

[B]

I think I never wore a wig, but I would on purpose. I would, like, unbraid my hair or I would, like. They'd be like, hey, I need you to wear the same top for this scene that we're about to do. It's called. They're called pickups. And I'd be like, okay, no problem. And I'd put the top on, and then I'd make sure my hair was different so people would pick up on it because I wanted them to know when they watched it back back, that, like, my hair was different and that it wasn't. It didn't actually happen that way.

[C]

Ah.

[B]

So I was, like, pissed. It was like my version of Petty.

[C]

How excited were you when they dropped? Like, what is it? They broke the fourth wall. Because I remember they used to not do that.

[B]

Yeah, well, I was blurred out.

[C]

Cameras blurred.

[B]

Javi and I were blurred out of Leah and Jeremy's wedding.

[C]

What?

[B]

Yeah, they blurred our faces.

[C]

Why?

[B]

Because that was before they broke the fourth wall. They didn't want us to be friends. We. Let me tell y' all something. I haven't talked to Jeremy in goddamn years. Okay. By. By God, West Virginia years. Okay. Like, what did he used to say? West, by God, Virginia.

[C]

Jeremy always had, like, big dick energy.

[B]

I've never seen his dick. I don't want to see his dick.

[C]

Just energy. Yeah.

[B]

Do you think he's attractive? What does he look like these days?

[C]

I don't know. He's, like, kind of attractive.

[B]

Okay. You know, let's also rank the dads in a second. Like, I would love to.

[C]

I did that smash video.

[B]

We'll include some more people. Like, I just think back to the amount of things that we used to do, like, when we were just Teen Mom. Like, and it's so weird because, like, Teen mom, the franchise gave Teen Mom a whole new meaning. Like, you cannot say Teen mom without thinking of the brand. Like, when I think of Teen Moms today, I'm thinking of the brand Teen mom, not a Teen mom walking the street that it got knocked up as a teenager.

[C]

Right. You think of the show.

[B]

Isn't that weird? That's really weird. Okay, so let's rank the dads.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

All right, so we got. We'll do the OGs first. We got Ryan. Ryan.

[C]

Yeah. Are we ranking like, 0 to 10 or, like, smash or pass Medium ugly.

[B]

Oh, okay. So I have a history. Okay. Let me tell you something. One of my friends told me that I have a history of being attracted to medium ugly men. Okay. I would disagree, because I think they're fine, and I think they're handsome, and I think they're handsome in a way that is handsome and not like. Like hot. Like, you're not hot. You're handsome, and there's a difference. Okay, So I go for handsome men because I have a complex, and I like to dads. Basically, like, people giving me a dad kind of complex. And so they're handsome, they're not hot.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you tracking?

[C]

Yes, I am. I'm just trying to think of all the men and seeing if that you've dated. I'm like, do I agree with that or not?

[B]

Okay, so let's start with the OGs. We got Ryan.

[C]

Ryan. Okay. Ryan's taken me on a journey.

[B]

Wild.

[C]

Ride because he was by far the hottest, the most attractive, the hottest. And then he fell off. Fell off real bad.

[B]

He was down, but.

[C]

But now we're back. We're back. And he's really rocking the salt and pepper thing. I don't think he should dye his Hair. I think that he.

[B]

Is he back to being good? I haven't seen him in a long time.

[C]

Yeah, he. He looks good.

[B]

I met him one time.

[C]

Yeah, he looks good.

[B]

Okay, so then we got Tyler.

[C]

Tyler's hot.

[B]

Tyler's hot. Okay, I'm not saying he's hot. I'm just repeating. What?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. And then we have Gary.

[C]

Wait, you know what? You know what? I. I love Gary. I think Gary's a good guy. Would I sleep with him? No.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

But I would give him, like, a medium because of his personality.

[B]

So is he medium ugly, would you say?

[C]

Oh, yeah, that's medium ugly right there. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so now we can move on to teen mom, two dads.

[C]

Adam.

[B]

We have Adam.

[C]

Adam was cute. And the, like, back in the day, I thought he was cute, but no, no, definitely.

[B]

You know what just popped up on my timeline yesterday? This clip came up of Megan and Chelsea. And Chelsea is like, I love Megan.

[C]

What happened to Megan?

[B]

I actually. It was Meghan and Chelsea talking. And Chelsea was so excited because she's like, I'm getting back with Adam and he wants to move in. And Megan's face was like, the whole.

[C]

Time just was the voice of reason.

[B]

I don't know what happened to Megan. I think because she got pregnant right away. Yeah, I think that. I don't. Don't know for sure. Never was attracted to Adam.

[C]

He had that, like. Like I've had an atom before. Like that toxic ex that you just keep going back to. So I. I got the appeal that Chelsea had back in the day, but I'm so glad that Chelsea found Cole. Which brings us to Cole. Now smash. Hot.

[B]

Cole is a really nice guy. I'm so glad.

[C]

Very hot.

[B]

And I just love everything they built. So I needed, as much as it was heartbreaking to watch. Like, obviously at the time, she was my friend and, like, it was hard to watch him put her through everything. But I think that look what it ended up being for her. You know what I mean? So love that for her.

[C]

My husband does not like, like, watch anything Teen mom. So he watches the HGTV show that Chelsea has.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So I had to give him, like, a background of Chelsea's story, and I started crying while I was explaining it to us. Yeah. Because it was such a. Like a. I know what Chelsea went through. Watching everything back in the day and to see where she is now, I mean. Oh, love it. It's amazing.

[B]

Just, like, just the glow up and everything else, like, really fell into place. What about Corey? We forgot about Corey. Oh, Corey. Like, yeah, it's Corey.

[C]

Yeah, I. Cory's hot. Yeah, Cory's. Cory's kind of hot.

[B]

None of them are my type.

[C]

Yeah, I don't think Cole's my type.

[B]

I like men and women.

[C]

Actually. What about a few of them?

[B]

Who, Joe?

[C]

No.

[B]

Not even, like, back in the day Joe?

[C]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Mugshot Joe was all right.

[C]

Rap Video Joe. Yeah. What happened to Teen Moms making music? I mean, Farah Song.

[B]

Bring back MTV Music Channel, the Glory Days. But Teen Mom Edition. Yeah, we'll all put out tracks.

[C]

So good.

[B]

We'll start with Avocado in Mexico by Joe. Oh, do you remember that line in the song looking. I do something like a avocado in Mexico.

[C]

Shakespeare could never. Shakespeare is shaking.

[B]

He's shaking his grave. He's shaking in his grave. Shaking in his bones. His bones are rattling. What about Javier? Jose Javier?

[C]

You know what? I. I don't get the appeal of Javi. I feel like I just know too much about the guy.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I just can't. I think his tattoos are nice. I like. I like what he's got going on there, but that's about it. That makes sense.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Justice. Just the forearms. I don't know what it is. Yeah, just the forearms.

[B]

I think that's all of them.

[C]

But you know who really does it for me? Corey. Not Corey.

[B]

See, I can't. You know what? I knew you were gonna say that, but for me.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't like pretty boys.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

I can't do. I can't do, like, when they're. I like them rough around the edges.

[C]

I do, too. I mean, actually, my taste is all over the place.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

My roster is, like, a disaster.

[B]

Okay. I. Same. Because, I mean, look at my track record. Like, we had, like, Jordan stuck out like a sore thumb. We had Dom. We had.

[C]

Or Jordan. But, like, what. Where is he?

[B]

He in Florida.

[C]

Oh, he's in. That checks out.

[B]

He has a baby and a family. And, like, I'm happy for him. He was so.

[C]

He was a nice guy.

[B]

I did him dirty, and I didn't need to do that. I did not need to do that. But also, that was, like, what I was talking about, where they're like, film it two weeks later. It's like, when I told him on camera that I had cheated on him. We had actually already moved past it and, like, gotten back together.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, we. He, like, we got back. Like, I don't even think we broke up the first time. The second time, when I told him on camera. We had, we got back together, we were fine, and then I told him on camera. And then we really, like, we broke up.

[C]

And that creates more problems when you're, like, bringing all that stuff up. I remember that reunion where it was like you sandwiched in between Jordan and Joe. Oh, my God, that was so awkward.

[B]

Yeah, my whole life has been awkward.

[C]

I think.

[B]

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[C]

I. I don't know if those girls could handle it because Dr. Drew lets a lot of slide.

[B]

Sure he does.

[C]

And I don't like that. And he would pick he the way he, like, coddles certain people and lets them get away with stuff. And it's just he needs to hold everybody accountable at the same level. He can't just let some slide and then hold other people's feet to the fire. Like, he's not very consistent with the way that he hosts.

[B]

He does have something in his ear, though.

[C]

He needs to take it out. Could you imagine yourself, Dr. Drew this? Think for yourself.

[B]

I wonder how he's doing. I haven't seen him in a long time. I haven't seen him in a long time.

[C]

He went. I know. He went to Farah's show. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Did you go to the comedy show? She did invite me, but I think I was in on vacation.

[C]

Spend money on that?

[B]

No, I don't think I was spending money on it, but I was.

[C]

If she invited me, I would go. Yeah, why not?

[B]

Wait, okay, so you do a ton of deep dives on your TikTok. What other personalities from reality TV do perform really well when you do content on them, people are just, like, fascinated or they, like, they go viral.

[C]

I know the Chrisley's Honey Boo Boo.

[B]

Honey boo Boo.

[C]

That one took off and I never know which ones are going to take off.

[B]

No.

[C]

Which is crazy.

[B]

That's literally what I was just about to say because, like, I'll go, like, be scrolling and then, like, one random, like, thing will pop up for, like, the people who watch Bravo. Like, those. Those deep dives for some people do really well. For us, it's like if you're in the teen mom world, like, that's what pops up. If you're in the real Housewives, like, that's what pops up. So it's so interesting to me to see, like, which ones. And I guess they all sort of have their own cult, like, followings, so it's so interesting. But you have to sort of watch all of them because you want to do a deep dive or you want to, like, have the tea on everybody. Is that hard to keep up with?

[C]

I don't watch. So here's the thing. I don't watch other people's content. Content?

[B]

No, no. I mean, like, they're like shows.

[C]

Oh, sometimes, yeah. Well, I'll tell you one thing. I did not watch the Chris Lee show before I did a deep dive on him.

[B]

Oh, you didn't. You just, like, did the deep dive?

[C]

Yep. People kept asking, so I had no idea about the Chrisley, so I had to do it myself. And guess what? I still haven't watched show. I watched like an episode, but I did all that research on my own.

[B]

I mean, it's a. It was a good show. I watched the deep dives and then, like, you know.

[C]

Yeah, I thought I did a good job. I mean. I mean, Lindsay watched it and she enjoyed it, so I guess I did a good job.

[B]

Oh, yeah. See, you did my co host and not me.

[C]

I know. Well, it was her, like, entire family, and they were all going to, like, prison at the time, so, like, I had to strike while the iron was hot.

[B]

They're in prison.

[C]

You know that her parents are in prison.

[B]

Don't ask me about the tea. I don't spread it.

[C]

I just did one. I did one about Jessica Simpson, too, and her.

[B]

How's she doing? Not well.

[C]

Well, she's doing good, but she's going through a separation right now with her husband.

[B]

That's hard.

[C]

That's really hard. That her husband. I don't know for sure, but she just released new music, and I'm pretty sure that he cheated on her. Have you heard her new music?

[B]

I haven't.

[C]

It's pretty scathing. She does not hold back. She has a lyric that says, I'd rather die than have you be inside me with her on your mind. Simpson's mouth. Jessica Simpson is pissed.

[B]

I mean, there's no better way to, like, let it all out there than to make some money. I mean, you're gonna suffer by yourself.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

You might as well make some money doing it. That's how I feel.

[C]

Like, the reward for heartbreak is a ballad, because a lot of art comes from heartbreak. Yeah.

[B]

And I've always said, like, especially in writing my books and things like that is like, the people resonate with pain more than they resonate with, like, happiness. And, like, obviously the goal is for happiness, but when you're just going through something so hard and so dark, that is the. Like, when you're sad, you're not listening to happy songs. You're listening to sad songs. You want to relate.

[C]

And so I listen to sad songs when I'm happy, too. Literally, like I love, like, listening to it because everybody can relate to it. It makes you feel not alone.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

When you watch somebody or you know of somebody that is going through something similar.

[B]

Yep. I. When I was getting divorced, I fall apart by post. Malone was just like, on repeat. You know what I mean? Like, you just know when you have that, like, something that you can resonate with. But good. I mean, good for Jessica Simpson to have an outlet. I'm proud of her. Like, that sucks.

[C]

Do you like Jessica Simpson?

[B]

I was a fan as a child, but not necessarily, like, where, like, the Britney and the Christina.

[C]

Right. Yeah. She was always like.

[B]

Like a Mandy Moore right behind them. Yeah. It was like, for me, it was like Brittany and Christina were neck and neck and then under. That was not to compare women because that's not what I'm trying to do.

[C]

But that's how it was back then.

[B]

How I was listening to them. It was like Brittany and Christina and then Mandy and Jessica.

[C]

Yeah. I would say Jessica and then Mandy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Personally.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

In order of, like, who I was listening to. I'm trying to think who else was. Who else was around her. Pink was a big one for me. I went and Alicia Keys. I went through a huge, like. Like, I always went through. I think that's what, like, I don't understand how I wasn't diagnosed with ADHD as a child because, like, the way that I fixated on certain people at.

[C]

That time, like, oh, me too.

[B]

Pink was big for me. I went through an Alicia Keys thing. I went through. Oh, my God. Do you remember? This is probably not your genre, but B2K.

[C]

It's my genre. Yeah.

[B]

Listen to me.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

No, no.

[C]

Omarion. Yes.

[B]

I had every single album. I even had the Christmas album. Like, I like the CDs.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I was listening to them every single day. Like, played them straight through.

[C]

I haven't seen you got served in a while. I need to watch that movie.

[B]

We actually watched that not too long ago. Me and the kids watched it how to age.

[C]

I haven't watched it in, like, 20 years.

[B]

I just think that movies like that need an entire reboot.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

We need to bring that back. We need to bring back. Bring It On. Let's do a redo.

[C]

They said, I saw something where Gabriel Union said that she was thinking about it with Kirsten Dunst.

[B]

I don't want to see, like, a Bring it on too. I want to see that original movie recreate.

[C]

Have you seen Bring it on all or nothing with Hayden Panettiere?

[B]

No. Was it bad It's.

[C]

I. I like it. I like it, but it's very offensive.

[B]

It's offensive.

[C]

It's very.

[B]

I've never seen it.

[C]

Watch it now. I cannot believe that movie got made. It is offensive, but it's also like, like, I mean, I like it. It's a good movie.

[B]

I. The only thing that I will say about those type, like, Mean Girls never needs to be recreated. Mean Girls Original needs to stay the iconic classic movie that it is.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

So that's that. Has anyone ever messaged you that you've done a deep dive on and either been, like, really happy with it or, like, pissed off?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Who?

[C]

I did one on Michael Ray and Carly Pierce. I don't know who. If you know who they are, they're country music artists, and they had a very public divorce. And Carly Pierce was really happy with it. I got to meet her. She was really sweet. And then Michael Ray messaged me and said he was nice about it. He was like, hey, man, I think you have. You know who. Wait. Michael Ray's dating Audrina from the Hills, by the way.

[B]

Do I need to Google him?

[C]

He's pretty hot.

[B]

Yeah, he's not hot.

[C]

I think he's.

[B]

He's very ugly.

[C]

No, he's not very ugly. No way.

[B]

Yes, he is. He's giving.

[C]

Yeah, let's open that up to the room.

[B]

He's giving. My ego is so big that I drive one of those, like, lifted white trucks with the black or chrome rims.

[C]

Oh, I'm not denying that.

[B]

Like, he looks like a douchebag.

[C]

I mean, I can't see that.

[B]

I'm 34 years old.

[C]

I would say, so.

[B]

There's nothing. I. I don't like pretty boys, though.

[C]

Yeah, he's. I mean, I don't. He messaged me and said, hey, man, I think you have the wrong impression of me, and I would like to clear it up with you sometime if. If you're open to that. And I said, yeah, absolutely. I thought it was a really nice thing, but I never heard from him again, so I was like, I guess he didn't want to clear it up that bad. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Maybe he thought by you saying that, you'd be like, oh, I'll take it down.

[C]

Yeah. No.

[B]

Did you.

[C]

Not taking it down? No. No.

[B]

Yeah. Isn't that. That's, like, the weird part of content creating is, like, you could have, like, a really good video and, like, you might upset someone by it, but, like, you made a lot of money on it. So, like, are you going down?

[C]

No. I mean, I don't think I say anything like that crazy either.

[B]

What would you say about me, like in my nitty gritty, like wild days? What would you say, like the baby daddy thing? That I have lots of, like, I can't pick them.

[C]

I mean I, I can't judge it. I don't have baby daddies because I can't get pregnant. Thank God. I would have got pregnant a long time ago, but I had a broken picker at one point. But I also think that everybody's just trying to figure things out as they go along. It's not anybody's fault is it's. And I will defend you with this because not we're the rest of us are fortunate that we didn't have our teens and twenties on camera because hello, ours was a show. Like we're fortunate that we didn't have that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, so I can't even imagine having a camera on me when I was going through what I was going through. I would have made yours look like child's play.

[B]

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[C]

But, yeah, watching it, like, watching, like, Janelle and Barbara now as an adult, obviously, I knew there was a lot of screaming at that house, but, like, Barbara was a big problem. Like, really big problem. She. She said, like, funny things like, you know, hi. Hi. You both high? But no, she was bad.

[B]

Like, viral moments. But toxic.

[C]

Very toxic. I feel bad.

[B]

I might make. I might. I might release some music.

[C]

Can you sing?

[B]

Absolutely not. Not.

[C]

Can you. Have you ever, like, tried to write a song?

[B]

No.

[C]

Or a poem?

[B]

A poem, yeah. If I turn the music all the way up, I sound just as good as Sam Smith.

[C]

Sam Smith. Like, what songs, though? Because Sam Smith has, like, a lot.

[B]

Is an album that got me through some of my darkest moments, so I could sing those very well.

[C]

Wait, let's talk about that for a second. Because his song make it to me, I played at my wedding.

[B]

Truly true. You know what? People think that song that his, like. I think it was, like, his first debut single was Stay With Me, and people thought that that was, like, a love song. Stay With Me.

[C]

No, it literally goes by they.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. Okay.

[C]

I just remember that. Yeah.

[B]

Sorry.

[C]

Sorry, Sam.

[B]

Sorry, Sam. They released this song, and the lyrics are about, like, they shouldn't be together. And I remember watching this clip on Kelly Clarkson where they're, like, talking about that song, and. And the girl was like, you know, why does. Kelly was, like, asking an audience member, like, why do you love this song so much? And she, like, gave this, like, whole thing about, like, loving her. You know, she thinks of her mom, and, like, she loves her mom. And I'm like, do you know what that song is about? Right? Because I was blasting it when I was heartbroken.

[C]

That's a good, good album.

[B]

That was. It won, like, eight Grammys.

[C]

They should have called it the same live twice.

[B]

I've seen him live once. I loved them so good. What were we gonna do?

[C]

You're gonna write a haiku? You're gonna write a song.

[B]

Okay, how. What are. What is the structure?

[C]

It's short sentences.

[B]

Yes. It's 17 syllables in three lines of five, seven, and five. So five words. Seven words and then five words. Okay. When we were just off the air for, like, five minutes. I can't write a haiku. So if I ever Got into music. It. It would be written for me.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And I would just put the vocals on it.

[C]

So it'd be like you could collab.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Or be a co writer.

[B]

I could also do auto tune.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, Farah did.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Blowing in the Wind. I think that was her song. Blowing.

[B]

Blowing in the wind.

[C]

Blowing.

[B]

Okay, let's talk about you for a second. So you. And you've talked about this before, so it's nothing like I'm, like, not outing you, right?

[C]

No, I don't think so. I think I've. I've. I become more comfortable sharing more about myself. I used to be a little bit more guarded on social media, but I'm a lot more open now, so. Ask away.

[B]

People are ruthless.

[C]

They are.

[B]

So you are a recovering alcoholic?

[C]

Yes, I got sober in September of 2013.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah, I've been completely sober ever since.

[B]

No alcohol, no drugs, no marijuana, nothing. And you have become a counselor for recovery. What is that like?

[C]

It's. It's a lot. I mean, it's very rewarding, but it's also. Can be quite devastating when you're literally on the front lines working at a rehab. You're getting people that are off the streets, essentially. And sometimes you get good calls of people saying they're doing really well, and then sometimes you don't get good ones ones. So that's. That can be hard.

[B]

So being on both sides of it, both having been, you know, an alcoholic and in, you know, the recovery field, what does it take? Or what have you noticed that it takes from an individual who is trying to recover in order to be successful? What does it take from. From them?

[C]

Honestly, the way I see it and the way I tell patients, you're not done until you're done, I. I think people change when the pain becomes great enough, and I think you just reach a certain point where you just can't do it. It's not from, like, a lack of trying, because there's so many people that will, like, try to get sober, and then, you know, they'll relapse, which isn't a failure by any means. As long as you keep trying. That's what matters. But I think when people are done, they're done.

[B]

They know they are sort of like toxic relationship. You people can tell you until you're blue in the face that you need to leave it, but you can't until you've had enough, until you hit that wall.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Okay. And then, like, people who are struggling to, like, we'll say, lose weight or, like, Start a task or whatever, they have to want to do it bad enough for them to actually do it.

[C]

Yep. Nobody can get anybody sober because if, if they could, I mean, people wouldn't have drug or alcohol problems because people will be like, oh, get sober for, you know, your family, get sober for your kids. People try, but until they're done, they, you know, they're not done.

[B]

Do you think it also depends on how the dependence on whatever it is, whether it be alcohol, drugs. It depends how it affects that person specifically. Right. Like, because I don't know why you, how, how you ended up being able to become a recovering alcoholic. But like for my mom, for example, she doesn't, she's got money from an inheritance, she bought a house and doesn't really have a reason to get sober. It's not really like, there's nothing that's really impacted her on her day to day basis to want to get sober. Right. So for you, do you think that it makes a difference in how that alcoholism or drug addiction, like, impacts them?

[C]

It can. I mean, I know for me, I, I knew I wouldn't live to see 30. I, I didn't, I had a lot of confidence. Consequences. I wasn't, you know, a, like an alcoholic that could like, skate by and people would know. Like, it was very obvious I had a problem. I was a menace to society. Like, I was getting arrested all the time. Like, it was very obvious that I had a problem and I was very reckless with the way that I was living my life where I had to lose a lot of things. But the year before I got sober was actually way worse than the year I got sober. I hit like a spiritual bottom in 2013 where I was like, I, I just, I could not do it anymore. I was backed into a corner.

[B]

So like hitting rock bottom essentially.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Because I, I've heard that so many times that especially in addiction and alcoholism is that you have to hit rock bottom. But I think that that's so true for so many aspects of life is that you have to hit rock bottom for. Maybe you're not an addict, but you're.

[C]

I don't know, everybody has like their thing.

[B]

Yeah. Like their vice or, you know, maybe someone's a habitual cheater or, I don't know, you know what I'm saying? That they have to hit their rock bottom. Do you think that it gives you sort of a unique perspective and a unique way to connect with the people that are trying to recover because you've been on both sides versus maybe someone like I don't want to speak for Alessandra. You're. Neither one of your parents are addicts, right? No. Alcoholics. So if Alessandra went into the field, she's not going to have the same sort of. Of not saying she wouldn't be able to resonate with the people, but it gives you a more of a unique.

[C]

A little bit more of an edge.

[B]

Yeah. Or. Or. Or maybe even me, where I am the child of an addict, so. And an alcoholic. And so, because I think my dad. I'm saying it is. To my knowledge, this is not meant to be. What is it called? Defamation. I'm pretty sure my dad's an alcoholic as well. Like my sperm donor.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Not positive, but I could be. Could give me a little bit of a unique edge as well, because I'm the child of an addict.

[C]

You've seen it firsthand.

[B]

So that's really interesting. I. I have a friend who also is sort of in that field, and I've never really gotten to talk to her about it, but I think it's really interesting that you do that. Do people like that you work with also recognize you from the content you create?

[C]

I had a step back at work.

[B]

You did? Yeah.

[C]

I mean, patience started to. To recognize me, and it was like, a problem.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

And I was like, all right, I. I need to step back here. Like, there was one. This isn't, like, hip or anything. I'm not, like, breaking it. But there was a patient that asked, like, about my husband, and I was like, I can't do this. So I took a step back. So I go, like, sometimes whenever I'm needed, but I still have my, like, licensure and everything like that.

[B]

Oh, you have to be licensed to do that?

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm a licensed addictions counselor. Yep. Went to school for it and everything.

[B]

So what does that entail, like, when you say that you are a licensed. What is it?

[C]

Licensed addictions counselor.

[B]

What does that mean? What do you do for the patients? Or what would someone in your field do for the patients?

[C]

So I do intake assessments, like, see what their individual needs are. I create treatment plans for them. I also do case management, which can get a little bit tricky. Like, if somebody has a lot of court stuff going on, any legal problems, I would help them kind of navigate that kind of stuff. And I really do enjoy that because I remember when I was going through all my court support stuff, I. My life was so disorganized. I needed somebody to, like, help me with that, and I didn't yeah. So now I can do that for patients. And yeah, I also create, like, aftercare plans, like if they want to go to like, sober living or something like that. Therapist. Yeah, I set them up with all that.

[B]

Do you ever think that court ordered help or court ordered rehab actually works?

[C]

It can.

[B]

In order for my mom to maintain custody of me, she had to do court ordered rehab and clearly didn't work. That's why I asked. So I'm just wondering, is there a time at work? Yeah, you have, just. Because maybe it just coincided with rock bottom or like just the circumstances, fellas.

[C]

That's what it takes. And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Yeah.

[B]

Did you have a unique perspective, do you feel like with the whole Ryan situation with teen mom? Because you are. You are a recovering alcoholic. You also work in this field or you worked in. What was your take on that?

[C]

I made a lot of videos about Amanda and Ryan. Amanda is his fiance because they met in rehab.

[B]

Got it. And you're not supposed to do that, to my knowledge. Right?

[C]

No, it's not recommended at all. It's. It can end very badly. And I would never recommend anybody do that. But some, I mean, I guess in their case it's working, but I would not recommend that at all. And I've talked to Amanda about this too, and she was like, I mean, I agree with, with you, but they.

[B]

Shouldn'T have done it.

[C]

Well, not that they shouldn't have done it, but like, overall, general sense, like, it's not a good idea. Amanda was actually really receptive. We've had a really good conversation about it.

[B]

When you hear stories about addicts and things like that both in your field or like Ryan, like, do we know how Ryan got hooked on it? Because I know sometimes it's like drug. Like if you get surgery and you get addicted to painkillers or you have like a predisposition because you have out, like, you know it runs in your family. But like, it's always so fascinating to me because I don't.

[C]

Especially because he came from a very.

[B]

Like, well to do family, very privileged family.

[C]

I don't. I don't know if he's talked about it before, if he has. I don't recall. But I don't know if there was like an accident that got him hooked on it, but there was clearly something that made him want to take drugs in the first place.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's really what it's about, because when I first got sober, they were like, it's not about how much you drink or how often you drink, it's about. About why you're drinking in the first place. And that was kind of like a aha moment for me because I was like, why am I. And there was like so much pain that I was trying to cover up from an early age. And once you like clean out all of that trauma inside of you, so.

[B]

To speak, you can't just like, the feeling.

[C]

I mean, you can, because I feel.

[B]

Like for me, when I think about it, not, I don't drink, I like.

[C]

The feeling because it made me not feel.

[B]

But do you really know that when you start doing it? Like, you don't know that you're drinking to cover up the pain? Like, I can't think of a time in my life where I was going through something so bad that I was like, I'm gonna go get drunk.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I like the feeling and I don't want to feel what I'm feeling. I have never thought that way in my head. I've never been like, if I go get drunk right now, I won't feel this. Like, I've never thought that way.

[C]

That's really interesting that you said that because I've had to really like look back on my life, like through therapy and everything like that. When I started drinking at 16, I would have said no. But in hindsight I always knew I was drinking a cover up pain because what I was going through at that time, I. I had gone through like several traumatic things at the same time. And it. I. I've said this before on a podcast and I'll say it here too. Like, if I didn't start drinking, I would have killed myself at 16. It. I think it saved me and kept me alive long enough to get sober. So it was really difficult for me to like leave that behind because it was like my best friend and kept me.

[B]

So you knew and you made the connection in your head that I like the way this makes me feel and when I have a problem, I'm gonna go feel this way instead.

[C]

Yeah. I wanted to be the closest thing to death, death without being dead. And that was being blackout drunk every time I drank, which is very dark, but it's true. I just didn't want to feel what I was feeling.

[B]

I've also never been blackout drunk.

[C]

Really?

[B]

No. Like, I. It's so crazy because I know alcohol and drugs in general just like affect people differently. And I. Anytime the handful of times I'm 33, the handful of times that I've been drunk, one took me very, very long. Time to get drunk. But I know my limits. I know when to stop. I still know right from wrong. I still am very. Like, I remember everything. I've never been blackout.

[C]

Do you not drink because of your mom?

[B]

I. I think that's what it is. Because, I mean, I'm not. I would be lying if I said I never tried it when I was younger. Right. So I would smell it, and it would just make me sick to my stomach because that's how my mom would smell. And I'd be home. I'd be on the bus ride home to my mom in sixth grade, and I'd have a knot in my stomach. What am I going to go home to?

[C]

Yeah, she would.

[B]

Would smell like it. I would smell it on her before she even opened her mouth. And so I was very triggered by the smell. And so the smell, it tastes just like it smells. And so then when I drink, I think of her and, like, takes you back. I mean, thankfully, like, Joe, Javi, and Chris were never drinkers. Like, they're just. I mean, casual, social, whatever, but they were not, like, have to have a drink every night kind of thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Where, you know, when I met Elijah, he's an army guy, and I was like, you know, he's. He's not an alcoholic by any means, but if he had had a drink two hours before I got home, I would smell it. Like, could he triggered.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I don't know if it was like, a conscience, a conscious choice to not drink, or if it was like, I'm so turned off by the smell and the taste of it that I couldn't get past it. Does that make sense?

[C]

Yeah, but it's. It's. I do know people. I. I have friends that. That have alcoholic parents, and they choose not to drink because of their parents. They're like. They don't even want to take that risk.

[B]

See, that's how I am about. Because I know that alcohol is a drug. I think people think that, oh, well, it's not a drug that they don't have a problem, but it's like, no, you're a alcoholic. You're a raging alcoholic. And because I know that both of them can run similarly in the families and things like that. I've always been afraid of. Of pills. I've had my wisdom teeth out, cosmetic surgery, childbirth, you know, C section. I've always been terrified, because I'm not gonna lie to y'. All. Like, I've taken Vicodin, Percocets, when I'm had surgery, and it scared Me, I do not want to take pain meds because I'm scared of what my mom has going on happening to me. So not with alcohol, necessarily, but, like, just in general with, like, pain meds, anything like that.

[C]

No. That's good that you recognize that about yourself because.

[B]

Scares me for my. Scares me for my kids, because they don't. They've never. They've never seen it firsthand, so they also don't have that to, like, deter them. And I think, you know, it's still possible for them. It's terrifying.

[C]

It's true.

[B]

Okay, so I'll expect a deep dive on me.

[C]

I'll get. I'll get to work.

[B]

I'm just kidding.

[C]

I'll do it.

[B]

Where. Where can people find you, Jordy Cray?

[C]

Everywhere.

[B]

Everywhere. So.

[C]

Because I'm not doing that.

[B]

No, we're not doing that. So. Tick tock. Instagram. What about Facebook?

[C]

Facebook, yeah.

[B]

Just got Facebook.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Okay. Well, we love you. Thank you for coming on. Very famous.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. This September, CBS hits are streaming free on Pluto TV for this month only. Only scream full episodes of Matlock. I'm a lawyer.

[C]

Like the old TV show Fire Country.

[B]

Elsbeth.

[C]

I do love a mystery.

[B]

NCIS Origins, Watson and ghosts.

[C]

What the hell?

[B]

This is the most amazing sight I've never seen. All for free. The CBS shows you love this month only on Pluto tv. Stream now. Pain never.

[C]

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