Tie-Dye, TikTok & Turning Points with Gabbie Egan

Summary

Barely Famous Podcast – “Tie-Dye, TikTok & Turning Points with Gabbie Egan”

Host: Kail Lowry
Guest: Gabby Egan
Release Date: June 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid and vulnerable episode of Barely Famous, Kail Lowry sits down with TikTok star, entrepreneur, and podcaster Gabby Egan. The conversation peels back layers of Gabby’s journey—from becoming a mom at thirteen and navigating military life to building a viral TikTok platform, battling addiction, and redefining herself through sobriety and small business. Together, they dissect co-parenting chaos, the oddities of military marriage, living life online, and the messy, beautiful process of figuring it all out. Expect honest admissions, real struggle, and plenty of laughter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tie-Dye Therapy and Entrepreneurship

• Tie-dye as Self-care: Gabby talks about the meditative aspects of her in-person tie-dye business ("Dicey Dies"), calling it both therapeutic and rewarding to create something with her hands (02:26).
• From Hobby to Hustle: “People don’t realize it can be a lucrative business…a lot of people are getting into the tie dye space recently.” – Gabby (02:26)

2. Early Motherhood & Family Dynamics

• Getting Married Young & Military Life: Gabby married at 18 to her husband, who was seven years older and already had kids. They met while both were stationed at Fort Bragg, NC, and relocated to Kentucky after leaving the military (03:02–04:48).
• Complex Co-Parenting: Gabby shares the evolution of her relationship with her husband’s ex-wife, including rocky beginnings, setting boundaries, and finding her place outside direct conflict (08:59–09:51).
• Her Own Early Motherhood: Gabby had her first child at 13. She details the alienation, rapid maturity, and ongoing struggle to be seen as a “real” mom by her family and society (11:55–12:16; 18:18–19:24).

Memorable Quote

"As soon as I had my son at 13, it was almost like I wasn't their kid anymore. I was their adult live-in child, you know, and he was the kid of the family. So I grew up super, super quick." – Gabby (18:18)

3. Surviving and Leaving the Military

• Why They Left: For Gabby and her husband, leaving the military was about prioritizing family stability and mental health after years of separation and depression (03:55–04:25).
• Challenges of Military Marriage: Kail and Gabby commiserate over the speed of military relationships, the impact of deployments, and the pressure to marry for benefits and stability (05:25–08:23).

4. TikTok Stardom as a Lifeline

• Origin Story: Moving to Kentucky, filing for bankruptcy, then launching on TikTok during Covid isolation (“I made a video of me with a Russian accent, and it blew up...that was it.” – Gabby [26:42]).
• Sudden Success: Gabby’s first TikTok creator fund check was $6,000—“life-changing money” for her family at the time (31:35–31:49).
• Viral Vulnerability: She became known both for her wild humor and her open, sometimes unhinged, discussions of motherhood, mental health, and addiction (27:10–27:31).

5. Mental Health, Addiction & Sobriety

• Insight into Bipolar 1: Gabby opens up about her diagnosis, describing “extremely high highs and extremely low lows…severe insomnia,” and her journey through different medications (44:32).
• Addiction Story: She traces substance abuse beginnings to age 12 (weed), escalating to harder drugs and alcohol by 16. She discusses the connection between her mental health and addiction (51:04–51:34).
• The Turning Point:
  • A surprise AA meeting at a retreat (“Against All Odds”) was her awakening:

    “This woman starts speaking at the meeting, and I resonated with every word … In that moment, I realized that I was the problem. And I left that AA meeting distraught.” – Gabby (48:41–49:46)

  • She’s been sober since that day.
• Sobriety Impact: Getting sober gave Gabby the clarity to reopen and rebrand her business and to be more present with family (58:12–58:18).

6. Rediscovering Passion & Identity

• Constant Reinvention: Kail and Gabby bond over their perpetual “pivot” energy—talking about flirtations with other careers (real estate, hair, baking), always looking for the next thing (39:38–41:17).
• ADHD/Personality Struggles: Both discuss possible ADHD/BPD connections to their creative drive and wavering focus (43:46–44:15).

7. Co-Parenting & Small Town Life

• Blended Families & State Laws: They discuss custody differences across states (especially Kentucky’s presumption of 50/50), challenges of blending families with exes/remarriages, and communication breakdowns between Gabby and her son’s father (24:13–25:38).
• Parenting Confessions: Gabby admits:

  “I’ve tried to co-parent…sometimes I don’t even know how to get in contact with him.” (11:19)

8. The Business of Tie-Dye & Online Branding

• Rebranding Dicey Dies: Originally a favorite in the stoner community, Gabby’s shop has shifted to a broader, family-friendly space—though she maintains 420 drops out of respect for her loyal base (58:36–59:55):

  “Tie dye is not for, like, one specific group…you can be any demographic. Anybody is welcome here and tie dye for everybody.” – Gabby (61:11)

9. Parenting in 2026: Sports, Screens, & Survival

• Sports & Sanity: Gabby’s kids are deep into cheer, lacrosse, and football—sports are “mandatory,” a way to avoid the gaming/phone addiction both she and Kail worry about (67:29–72:10).
• Mom Fails and Laughs: Gabby accidentally became a head basketball coach due to a sign-up form; her dad had to impersonate her for the season (65:08–67:07).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On blended family boundaries:

  “When it comes to him co-parenting with his ex wife…I just don’t feel like that’s any of my business. And I try to stay on the outskirts of it unless it’s something that does involve me.” – Gabby (08:59)

• On viral fame's randomness:

  "It is insane how you can literally choose to post one video and it can change your entire life.” – Gabby (33:02)

• On addiction’s grip:

  “I think I like low-key. I'm addicted to cannabis... I have to have it to function. I wake up in the morning, I have to have it.” – Gabby (46:09)

• On finding sobriety:

  “In that moment, I realized that I was the problem. And I left that AA meeting distraught. ... Since that day, I have not touched anything.” – Gabby (49:46–50:21)

• On business pivots:

  “I tried to pivot myself that way. Like, I am and my brand, like, it’s not for anyone.” – Gabby (61:43)

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Timestamped Highlights

• 02:26 – Tie-dye as therapy and business
• 03:02–04:48 – Military love story, moving states, challenges
• 08:59–09:51 – Navigating blended family boundaries
• 11:55–12:16, 18:18–19:24 – On being a mother at 13 and family alienation
• 26:42–27:31 – Overnight TikTok success and content creation
• 31:35–31:49 – First creator fund check, financial relief
• 44:32–45:27 – Bipolar diagnosis and medication struggle
• 46:09–46:52 – Real talk: functioning addiction
• 48:41–50:21 – The AA meeting that changed everything
• 58:12–59:55 – Sobriety, business relaunch, and brand evolution
• 65:08–67:07 – Accidentally becoming a kids’ coach; hustle-mom moments
• 67:29–72:10 – Life as a sports mom vs. screen mom

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

Kail and Gabby keep it “real, raw and uncomfortable”—offering honesty about unhappy beginnings, messy relationships, and the unglamorous side of internet fame. But they balance struggle with wit, mutual support, and a lot of self-deprecating humor.
Whether you’re a young mom, military spouse, aspiring influencer, or just figuring out your next move, this episode serves up solidarity and hope.

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Where to Find Gabby Egan

• Instagram, TikTok: @BabyEgan
• Podcast: The Softy Podcast (YouTube, Spotify, Apple)
• Tie-dye Store: Dicey Dies, Kentucky

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Transcript

[Gabby Egan]

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[Kayl]

okay guys, we're back. You asked for it and we're delivering. Killer is going on tour. We're super excited for the fatherless behavior tour. 23 cities, three countries, all in one summer. And you guys can check out tour dates and see if we're coming to a city near you on killlowery.com and if you want early access to information and announcements, head over to Patreon because you might get it before everyone else. Welcome to the show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain Kale, and you're listening to Barely Famous. Hey everyone. Welcome back to Barely Famous Podcast. I'm with Gabby Egan. So we just went to Dicey Dies and we recorded for the Softy Podcast, which if you guys haven't already listened, that's Gabby's podcast with Meg. And it was fun. Yeah. Pretty good time.

[Gabby Egan]

Yes.

[Kayl]

And this is where they record. So now I'm in their studio.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Love it. How are you?

[Gabby Egan]

I'm good. How are you?

[Kayl]

I'm feeling good. I feel like I'm going to go home, I'm going to try to tie dye for a week and then when I get when I'M done and then I'm not going to do it for like six more years. You know what I mean?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kayl]

So. But it's a cool. It's a cool idea.

[Gabby Egan]

It is.

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

Tight. I mean, people don't realize it can be a lucrative business. A lot of people are getting into the tie dye space recently, so.

[Kayl]

Also therapeutic.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. Imagine.

[Kayl]

Because if you need. Here's my thing is like, we are on social media all day. We consume it, we make it, we do all the things. And so sometimes you gotta, like, turn it off. And so for me it's reading. For you, it's probably tie dyeing.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. It's kind of cool to walk into, like my in person gig because I have something to do, like with my hands where I can like put my phone down and be like, yeah, okay, I'm doing this. And I get an end result with it too. So it can be kind of rewarding at the end of the process.

[Kayl]

You know that.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

I didn't realize you were from North Carolina.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Your mom still lives there. How I know you were military. Your husband was military. Is he still in the military? No, no. You end up in Kentucky because of the military.

[Gabby Egan]

So we were both stationed at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, and my husband's originally from here.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

So him and his wife, they split up when they were stationed in Japan and she moved back here with the two kids. And then he got stationed in Fort Bragg after Japan.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

And his plan was always after he got out of the military that he was going to move back to Northern Kentucky, Cincinnati, and. And I followed him up here. I mean, we got married when we were down there. So.

[Kayl]

So you met at Fort Bragg and then get married and then move to Kentucky when you guys are both out?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, so we got married. We were married for a year while we were, like, still in the military. Getting out of the military. I had my daughter, like, almost two years into our marriage, and then we moved here when my daughter was like a month old.

[Kayl]

Why did you want to get out of the military?

[Gabby Egan]

Well, because he wanted to get out, so he was kind of like, I need to get back to my kids. Like, he had already spent so much time away from his kids, being active duty and being stationed apart from their mom, and he was like missing out on some of their years. Like, my stepdaughter was four at the time and six at the time. And like, it. Those were the years that you need to be present, you know, and he just felt he was in a depressed place. Like he wasn't. I don't think that he could have kept going much longer if he was stationed somewhere far away from his kids where he's only getting to see them on like four day weekends.

[Kayl]

Was his ex wife also military?

[Gabby Egan]

No.

[Kayl]

No. So when they split in Japan, she. That's why she was able to move back.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, she moved back because they got a divorce and she moved back to the States. He was getting stationed in the States soon after, and he got stationed at Fort Bragg because his mos, like his job in the army can only go to certain places. So that was one of the places. And it was way closer than Japan, obviously.

[Kayl]

Right. Do you ever talk about your experiences with the military?

[Gabby Egan]

Sometimes. I think I've gone into depth with it here and there, but I loved being in the Army.

[Kayl]

I. It surprises me that I. We did maybe we talked about it on the first time you came on the podcast, but I don't really remember. Like, I. The Air Force works so differently than the Army. I feel like the Air Force works a little bit harder to keep families together and not separate. Where, like army you could go, you could get stationed somewhere and then your spouse is in the military in. In the army specifically and be stationed somewhere else. And so now you have the same family in two different duty stations.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I've seen that before.

[Kayl]

And that's.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

So if y' all would have both stayed in, that could have happened then, right?

[Gabby Egan]

Eventually. Well, my mos, so I had like the most common one. I was a 91 Bravo, like a wheeled vehicle mechanic. So I could have gone anywhere, like literally anywhere. I was a leg, so I could have went literally anywhere. My husband, he was like radio signal repair, so he. He could only get stationed at like, certain locations that needed him. So it could have happened, though. I mean, who knows? I was actually, before I got pregnant with my daughter, and it wasn't really an intentional move. We just weren't necessarily trying to prevent getting pregnant or, you know, trying to get pregnant. But I was preparing for a deployment, so I was gearing up for like months, getting ready to deploy, and then I got pregnant with my daughter. Then I was like, I'm gonna get out. He had just gotten out and it was kind of like waiting to move back. And he was pretty antsy to get back to his kids here. And so once I got pregnant with my daughter, we kind of. He already had a new job lined up after the military, so he was kind of wrapping up loose ends with that new job that he had. And. And then I wanted to have my daughter in North Carolina. Like, with my original doctor. I had, like, severe pregnancy anxiety because I knew I was having another C section. So we just stayed there, made sure that I could have her in North Carolina. Then we moved here.

[Kayl]

I just don't understand how military families do it because I feel like. So I got married so fast. I was so young. And then, no, we got divorced. You know what I mean? And then now, like, fast forward 10 years later, we've been divorced and he's moving on. And, you know, or he has moved on. And I just think about, like, other fam. How did you guys. Guys do it? Did she. Did his ex wife react okay. When he met you and got remarried?

[Gabby Egan]

Oh, no, no. I mean, also. I mean, it used to bother me back then, right? Like, I was like, she just doesn't, like, have any respect for me. And that's how I looked at it. But we got married so fast, so

[Kayl]

as military families do sometimes.

[Gabby Egan]

It's so toxic. I mean, it's so toxic. So they had split up, and then he got a new girlfriend, like, shortly after, and he was with her for a year. She got deployed, cheated on him on

[Kayl]

deployment, which also happens a lot in the military.

[Gabby Egan]

Right. So they break up. He's still, like, driving his ex girlfriend's car, but he's still married to his ex wife.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

Because it takes a while to get divorced, so it's messy. So I meet him, he has an ex girlfriend. He tells me he's not married. He's still legally married. They're like, almost in the end stages of their divorce.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

You know?

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

And ten days after their divorce is finalized, we've been together a couple months. We decide to get married for benefits in the army so we can get our own place.

[Kayl]

I got so much on Teen mom because we were like, basically trying to figure out how we were gonna get married so that he would get benefits and I'd be able to go with him. And people that are not in the military. I feel like you don't get it. You don't get it because you fall in love as you do when you're young or just at any age, honestly. And you. You kind of have to. If you don't want to live long distance. And at the time, I had a show, I didn't have, like a real job obligation. I could have done dental assisting anywhere. You know what I mean? So, like, I think you're the only person I could talk to about that.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

So you days after being divorced, you Guys are married.

[Gabby Egan]

He's like, his divorce was finalized. Ten days later, we're at the courthouse on a lunch break getting married. And I remember, like, his ex wife had seen it and she was pissed because, like, have you met her yet? Yeah, did I meet her yet? I think so. So we started dating March, April, May. Yeah, I think I had. I had met her, like, one time, and I had met the kids, like, one time.

[Kayl]

And you all were married and we were married, but y' all are still married.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

So do you co parent now? Is she also. Is she in.

[Gabby Egan]

She lives here.

[Kayl]

Oh, okay. So that makes the co parenting easier than I would imagine.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, we just. Yeah, I mean, she, like, I kind of stay out of it, like, for the most part. Like, I have a great relationship with the kids. Like, I've never had any issues with the kids, but when it comes to him co parenting with his ex wife and the mother of his children, I just don't feel like that's any of my business. And I try to stay on the outskirts of it unless it's something that does involve me, like, if I'm being brought into it somehow. But, like, if they're having their issues, I'm not going to be brought into it as a. As a person who's gonna, like, y' all are adults. Y' all need to figure it out. That's how at least I view the situation. And plus, whenever you get somebody else in, it just doesn't work out that way.

[Kayl]

Right.

[Gabby Egan]

You know, like, I feel like it almost makes it worse whenever I do try to get involved with it. So, I mean, for years, I've just kind of, like, minded my business. I mean, we had our issues in the beginning for sure, but now I just kind of like, you know, I stay in my place. I. I do. I have a great relationship with the kids. They're able to work everything out. So.

[Kayl]

Yeah. So do you ever have to communicate with her or see her at events and stuff?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I see her, like, quite often. I mean, I see her at least a couple times a week. Our kids play crazy sports. They have, like, almost a sporting event every single day, I feel like.

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

And so I see her at events and stuff, and it's cordial. It's, you know. Yeah. Like, we're not friends or anything. Sure. But there's no, like, bad blood.

[Kayl]

So. How old were you when you got married?

[Gabby Egan]

I was 18.

[Kayl]

You were even younger than me. And so h. Is there an age gap between you and your husband? What's the age gap?

[Gabby Egan]

He is seven and a half years older than me.

[Kayl]

So you were 18 and he was what, 26?

[Gabby Egan]

He was 25.

[Kayl]

He was 25. Okay, so was she his age?

[Gabby Egan]

Yes, a year older.

[Kayl]

Oh, wow. So she's. So you're. Okay. But you also, in some ways, could still relate because you had already had a child.

[Gabby Egan]

We had a kid the same age when we met. Like, his youngest was my son's age.

[Kayl]

Okay. So did that kind of make it a little bit easier? And do you co parent with your son's dad?

[Gabby Egan]

So, I mean, yes, it made it easier in the sense of, like, we. I never. I would try to date people my own age, and it never worked out because they didn't relate to me, you know?

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

But this was the first time. It was like, you. You get me because you have kids and, like, you've been through stuff in life, and, like, I connected with him on a deeper level. As for my son's dad. No, Like, I've tried to co parent with him and I've tried to. My dad. My son's actually with his dad right now. Oh, and you like that?

[Kayl]

We.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Okay. We're supportive.

[Gabby Egan]

We are. And. But there's never been any co. Like, sometimes I don't even know how to get in contact with him.

[Kayl]

So it's kind of hit or miss.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. Like, he's remarried or not remarried. We were never married, but he's married. He has three daughters with his new wife.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

And they've been together for years. And he. But the communication with my son is just, like. It's just not there.

[Kayl]

Like, do you think it was because you were so young? Was he also young when you all got pregnant?

[Gabby Egan]

He is four years older than me.

[Kayl]

Gabby, Is that. Not like.

[Gabby Egan]

It is. But not. It was, like, right off the. Where it's not illegal. Oh, right off of it.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

So I was 13 and he was 17 when my son was born.

[Kayl]

Oh, my God.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

He had just turned 17. He was 16 when I was pregnant. He was 17 when he was born.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

And then I turned 14, like, two months after my son was born.

[Kayl]

So do you think that maybe the communication, it was because you guys had him so young?

[Gabby Egan]

I think so. Like, after he was born, like, I really tried to make the relationship work. Like, he left me during my pregnancy and. And, like, got a new girlfriend. And, like, it completely broke my heart. Like, that pain that I felt when I was that young and when I was pregnant, I was going through that. Like, when I watched your episode and, like, seeing how you were feeling? I. I was like, holy crap. Like, I just, I could almost refill the emotions that I went through, like going through some of the stuff that I did when I was pregnant. But I don't think that's something that you never like, really recover from. I.

[Kayl]

No, never. You know, I literally have chills.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Nobody could have prepared me for that level of pain. Because when you're a kid, you already can't regulate your emotions and if you don't have good guidance and you don't have a good relationship and also we should not have been having sex at those ages. So.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I think my parents thought I was gonna like end it. Like, I was so depressed. Like, he blocked me like I'm pregnant. He like blocked me like I can't get in contact with him and then comes around right towards the end to like, so he can be there while my son's born and acts right for like a couple months. And then he's like right back to the same stuff. Oh,

[Kayl]

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[Gabby Egan]

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[Gabby Egan]

I fought pretty hard and like, tried to make every excuse that I could and then things started to get physical and like, he ended up going to jail for domestic violence.

[Kayl]

When you were 13?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I might have been 14 at the time. Like just turning 14? Yeah.

[Kayl]

And like freshman in high school.

[Gabby Egan]

I was in eighth grade when my son was born. I got pregnant in seventh grade.

[Kayl]

So then did you finish high school?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I graduated a year early.

[Kayl]

Who kept your, who kept your son for you?

[Gabby Egan]

So I was homeschooled my seventh grade year. So I finished well. So I finished seventh grade. Homeschooled my eighth grade year, ninth grade, I go back to school and we met some lady who had like an in home daycare and he went to the in home daycare and I started working at a pizza shop when I was 14 to like help pay for everything.

[Kayl]

Right, and your parents just supported you through it. What's that? Like?

[Gabby Egan]

I feel like I've been talking like opening up about this more because as I've gotten older, I've made so much peace with my parents. But it was really hard because I feel like I had imposter syndrome for a long time. Like, that I didn't like, deserve to be a mom because of all the outside noise and like things that people would say or that I wasn't a good mom because I was so young and like, I let everybody else's opinions of me like, shape me in a weird way. And my parents always thought that they knew what was best for him when I thought I knew it was best for him, even though I was so young. And it was like, it was really hard because I had parents who loved me and wanted to support me. But as soon as I had my son at 13, it was almost like I wasn't their kid anymore. I was there like adult live in child, you know, and, and he was the kid of the family. So I grew up super, super quick. And I'm constantly at a battle with my parents of like, who knows what's best for my kid and I want certain things for him and they want certain things for him. And so now, you know, my son's 12 and it's just crazy, like hearing my parents now be like, you know, you, you did always know what was best for him, even though they Put me through.

[Kayl]

I'll cry right now. I'll cry right now.

[Gabby Egan]

Even my mom and I were literally just having this conversation on the phone, you know, the other night, she was like, you know, you really are a good mom. Like, you. You did a really good job. And it's. It's crazy because for years they made me feel like I wasn't, you know, And I know that I've. I've made very poor, poor decisions in my life.

[Kayl]

Sure.

[Gabby Egan]

And, you know, I put myself in terrible positions and, you know, situations and stuff like that, but I. One thing that I never lacked at, even when I was at my lowest points, was being a mom. I always did show up, and that's the one thing that I have going for me out of everything in my entire life. Absolutely.

[Kayl]

And.

[Gabby Egan]

And so, yeah, definitely. It's been a journey. It was. It was a time.

[Kayl]

I can imagine. So how did they react when you get married at 18 while you're in the military?

[Gabby Egan]

I didn't really tell them.

[Kayl]

You didn't tell them? Okay. Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

Well, I mean, like, I told them, like, after I was like.

[Kayl]

I got married and what'd they say?

[Gabby Egan]

They're like, oh, so they hadn't met him? They had met him, but they didn't

[Kayl]

know that you were getting married?

[Gabby Egan]

No.

[Kayl]

Did they know he had kids?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Okay. But they were fine with that?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, they were fine with that.

[Kayl]

Okay. So it all worked out.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. I feel like there was, like, a disconnect between, like, me and my parents for a while. Like, I was. I kind of. I don't feel like my parents really knew who I was in my teenage years, because all of the focus was Jalen.

[Kayl]

You probably didn't even know who you were.

[Gabby Egan]

I didn't.

[Kayl]

I feel like even when you don't have a kid, you don't know who you are in high school or, like, that middle school. High school. Like, you're just figuring stuff out, and you don't even know who you are until your 30s. Like, we're just figuring it out right now.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

So fair. But also sucks.

[Gabby Egan]

They were shocked, but they also were like, okay, you know, I guess they were hoping that it, like, worked out. Like, they're like, you know, like, this is more than just, like, a piece of paper. Like, you're, like, tied to this person. I was like, yeah, I know. I love him. He's great. He's amazing. I'm obsessed.

[Kayl]

And you are still.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, we're still married.

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

I mean, it's been a roller coaster within it. No Doubt, you know. Yeah.

[Kayl]

We've been together eight years, which I think that's longer than any relationship I've ever had. So you're better.

[Gabby Egan]

It's been ugly, you know.

[Kayl]

Yeah. It's not going to be rainbows and butterflies. For sure. Like, you have to choose that person day in and day out, even when it sucks.

[Gabby Egan]

For sure.

[Kayl]

And so, okay, so military, married. You got stationed in Fort Bragg, which is in North Carolina. So did you. When you got out, you were always there. That was the only duty station you had.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I.

[Kayl]

So born and raised in North Carolina. Stationed in North Carolina.

[Gabby Egan]

Born and raised in Fayetteville. Stationed in Fayetteville.

[Kayl]

And then now all of a sudden, you're gonna pack up and you're gonna come to Kentucky with your husband and

[Gabby Egan]

my son and my new baby.

[Kayl]

Oh, so what was that like?

[Gabby Egan]

That was. It was wild. My parents begged me to, like, leave my son with them because they helped me raise him right, you know, up until that point. And I was like, you guys are insane. Like, I'm not. My parents had me when they were 40. So at this point, my parents are, like, 58. Yeah, 58. And I'm like, I'm not leaving. 58. 59. I'm not leaving my son with you guys. First of all, his dad's not involved. His dad, like, jumped ship, moved to Texas to go better his life, and then, like, I don't know what he ended up doing out there. Now he lives back in North Carolina, where I'm from. But, like, for years, he lived in Texas. And so I'm like, so, yeah, you want me to leave my son with you, who doesn't have a relationship with his dad, and now his mom is leaving him with his grandparents, and I'm gonna go start a new family in Kentucky. Like, you're absolutely off your rocker. And it was a huge fight. And they're like, you know, we have rights, too. And I'm like, no, you don't. You had temporary guardianship when I was in the military. You don't have rights to my kid. And it was like a whole argument. And, you know, I left, and they begged me not to go. They begged me not to move. And I went. I left. I went broke as shit, you know,

[Kayl]

Packed up and going with my husband.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. You know, broke. We moved in with my husband's mom here. We were paying her rent to live in her house. It was an absolute. I mean, it was. We had to file bankruptcy. It was bad. Yeah.

[Kayl]

Are you serious? And you're barely 18?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I was, I was 20 when we filed bankruptcy, so we moved here. 20, 20, 20. I had my daughter when I was 19.

[Kayl]

Okay, so then where does tick tock come into the picture?

[Gabby Egan]

2020 covet hits as soon as I move here.

[Kayl]

So you file for bankruptcy and then tick tock takes off for you?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, like my husband was getting sued

[Kayl]

by like literally chills.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, my, my husband was getting sued by like credit card companies and st. His previous marriage and like debt that they acquired together and the divorce and you know, everything that he had went through. So we were like restarting getting out of the military. Like he's becoming an electrician and like starting a new job. I'm at home. It's Covid. We have four kids. Both my husband and his ex wife, they had in person jobs. So they're going to work every day. I'm staying home with my newborn because she's literally a month, two months old. And then I ended up staying home through Covid. Like now I'm 19 going on 20 and I have four kids. I had one kid, then I had a baby, now I have four kids.

[Kayl]

So what was the custody like when you guys moved back here? I guess or moved here.

[Gabby Egan]

So in their divorce it was like settled. Like when they divorced that when he got out of the military and he moved back, it would automatically resume to 5050 custody.

[Kayl]

See, that's so interesting to me because early on in my motherhood it was never. And I don't know if it was a state thing. I don't know if it was the year like in 2010, Elliot was born and it was the same year I split from his dad. Pennsylvania did not have a 5050 and I don't think they still have a 50 50. It's not automatically 50 50.

[Gabby Egan]

It's a mother state. Yeah, it depends on what state you live in. So Kentucky is a 5050 state.

[Kayl]

But I even living in Pennsylvania, I had never heard of that any states were 50 50.

[Gabby Egan]

Really.

[Kayl]

Like I didn't know until I knew. Do you know?

[Gabby Egan]

I didn't know that either because in North Carolina it's a mother state and

[Kayl]

In Delaware is 50 50. Like they will give inmates joint legal custody before they take their rights away. Like you're, you could be in prison and you'll have rights to your kid.

[Gabby Egan]

That's kind of how it is in Kentucky too.

[Kayl]

Like you have to royally, royally fuck

[Gabby Egan]

up, royally fudge up to lose any rights to your kids in Kentucky, same.

[Kayl]

Okay, so it's 5050 as soon as you guys get back. I say get back, but you're moving to Kentucky for the first time. He's getting back. He's automatically getting 50, 50 back. And you have two kids of your own, and now you're 19, but you're not. You're not working. So did that create challenges within your marriage and being a young mom? And now is there resentment at any point?

[Gabby Egan]

I don't feel like in the beginning there was any resentment because I was just kind of like in. I feel like we were both in survival mode, even though we were in the military. It's not like we were like, high ranking or anything. We were kind of used to being, like, broke and stuff. So we were just like, even more broke than we were before and figuring it out. But I guess there was some, like, resentment there. I don't feel like there was any resentment until. Well, no, now that I look back at it, like there was because he was working a job and he was exhausted from the type of job that he had.

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

And I was really taking the brunt of, like, all of the kids.

[Kayl]

Right.

[Gabby Egan]

And he obviously was a. He was. He's always been a really good dad. He's a very present father. But I was so tired. Like, I was a breastfeeding mom. I was home all day with the kids. The kids were like virtual school. I was going crazy. And that's what kind of led me and pushed me into TikTok, because I was going crazy at the house with all these kids, and we were like, being goofy and, like, started to make funny videos. And then all of a sudden, I made a video of me with, like, a Russian accent, and it blew up of me, like, being like, I give my baby vodka.

[Kayl]

And that was it. That was the.

[Gabby Egan]

I was, like, talking about, like, giving my baby vodka in a Russian accent.

[Kayl]

But you didn't actually give your baby vodka. No.

[Gabby Egan]

And then people were like, how old are you? Like, what are you doing? Like, like, what's wrong with you?

[Kayl]

And so did you start, like, asking, like, answering questions?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. And then people were like, what, you're 19? And then I was like, yeah. So I had my first kid when I was 13. This is fudgeing crazy.

[Kayl]

Okay. And so then people found, like, the lore of you having your baby at 13. It was like, this got them interested. But now your story is where people are invested.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. And I would make, like, videos dancing in the bathroom and being completely unhinged. Like, if I watch some of my videos from, like, back in the day, like, I Genuinely want to, like, delete the whole entire app off my phone.

[Kayl]

Same for myself, not for you.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I. I feel you. But that's what my introduction to Tick Tock was, was just me going crazy in the house through Covid, like, being a young mom.

[Kayl]

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[Gabby Egan]

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[Kayl]

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[Gabby Egan]

Are you feeling the Cheesecake Factory? Five guys. Either of those sound good?

[Kayl]

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[Gabby Egan]

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[Kayl]

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[Gabby Egan]

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[Kayl]

gold enrollment required terms apply. I have no words because I came. I was so late to Tick Tock. Like I don't. It was Covid and I was pregnant but it was just like not something that I really ever saw myself doing like consistently. And then Tick Tock became people's full time jobs.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

So did it become yours?

[Gabby Egan]

So I started posting for like a couple months and then the creator fund happened. So I got in the creator fund and I remember my first check from Tick Tock like ever was $6,000.

[Kayl]

That's kind of amazing though.

[Gabby Egan]

And like we are broke, mind you. Like this was life changing money Like, Cody was like, we all. Nobody could believe that my parents, like, nobody could believe that I made this money. And I was like, I don't know if this is a one time thing. So we made a plan. I was like, we haven't really done anything nice for ourselves. Obviously we're going to use like some of her for bills. But I bought a phone so I could continue making content. I had like an old shitty phone at the time. And then we used the rest of the money for bills. And then I just kept making videos,

[Kayl]

you know, and then the money kept

[Gabby Egan]

coming and then the money kept coming and it, you know, that's what I've been doing for the past. It's been six years.

[Kayl]

It's so interesting to me though because I already had some sort of like audience before I went to Tick Tock. Like people who just blew up on social media on their own with no TV background is so fascinating to me.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Because you all have been able to truly pay off debt, pay your bills, do it at like the, it's incredible. Like, I'm like, it really does create so many opportunities for people.

[Gabby Egan]

I know it was, it was way better in 2020 because I, I hear people now, they're like, creators aren't making money. You don't, you can't make the same money on Tick Tock. Like I haven't made six grand on, on the creator fund and like probably since 2020.

[Kayl]

Oh, same. Like, I don't even think I've ever made 6, 000 on tick tock.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. So now I feel like you have to hustle a little bit more for the money to like stay in the game a little bit more. But yeah, it is insane how like you can literally choose to post one video and it can change your entire life.

[Kayl]

Did it ever cross your mind to go back into the military or to do National Guard or to do reserves or to do anything as a, like a. I don't know, just to, I

[Gabby Egan]

don't know sometimes like I, I did, it did think like cross my mind. But when I had joined the military I was at such a low point and like I really didn't have anything to show for anything that I did other than like a high school diploma. I was like a server at a restaurant. I really was chasing something like bigger and better for my son, my parents. I ended up when I got pregnant with my son, making them file bankruptcy because my insurance, like their insurance didn't cover my birth for my son because I was so young. I didn't have maternity yet. So my parents were getting, like, robbed on health insurance for me and Jalen, and I really needed a job. So the only reason I really went into the army was because I lived in a military town. My boyfriend at the time was in the army, all my friends were in the army. And I was like, I can join the army, get benefits, hopefully get stationed back in my hometown, and I'll be able to actually take care of my son. And it was the complete opposite for me. So I joined the military, got all the benefits, but then I'm a mechanic who works until 8, 9pm at night.

[Kayl]

And then you weren't really seeing your son.

[Gabby Egan]

And then my son is like, going to sleep and my parents are having to help, like, my parents are still having to, like, overly help me. And I'm still. I feel like I'm not able to be with my son enough. So I made so many sacrifices to be in the military that I was like, kind of ready to be done with it. And now, like, if today you told me I had to leave my kids for six months to go through training to get in the army, I would be like, you're absolutely insane. I have no idea how I did it. When I was 17, two years ago,

[Kayl]

I went to see an army recruiter.

[Gabby Egan]

Really?

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

For you?

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

Are you being serious?

[Kayl]

Dead ass. I went and took the ASVAB in Dover, Delaware.

[Gabby Egan]

Did you pass?

[Kayl]

Probably.

[Gabby Egan]

I almost didn't the first time. That's how I know.

[Kayl]

No, it was so. I mean, since I graduated high school, I've been like a school girly. I want to do the school. I want to do the reading, to do all the things in high school. To Alessandra's point, months ago, she told me, kayl, you didn't get good grades because you were hungry. And flat out, full stop. That is so accurate. I. There was no way I was going to focus on anything else besides where was I going to eat, right? But. So a couple years ago, it might have been more than two years ago. It probably would have been before Rio. Rio's three. So four years ago, he. Him and I. He was going to put me in the Air Force because he's a recruiter. And I was like, all right, bet. And then we got into a fight. We got into a huge fight. And he was like, you. I'm. He didn't say you, but basically you. I'm not doing it. So I was like, all right, bet. So I went down to the army recruiter, which was the next best thing in My opinion. And I'm glad I didn't go through with it.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Because I didn't do well on the asvab, and I probably would have had to do, like, a job where I wouldn't have been able to be with my kids at that time. It just. I. I think I was doing it out of pure. Like, what do I. Where do I go from here? Like, I'm off tv. I don't have anything. Like, what am I going to do?

[Gabby Egan]

You're insane.

[Kayl]

No, I know. Because now I think about it, and I think the army basic training is longer than the Air Force basic training.

[Gabby Egan]

Ten weeks in the Army.

[Kayl]

So from what I remember with Hobby leaving, I want to say it was like eight.

[Gabby Egan]

Okay.

[Kayl]

And then he went to tech school. So then he's away. He was away for that, too. So, I mean, we're talking like, months and months and months to be away.

[Gabby Egan]

Six, Almost seven months from basic training to graduating ait, which is like tech school.

[Kayl]

Yeah. So the same thing for him. I remember him leaving in, like, November, I think, and then. Not. I didn't. I got pregnant when I went to his basic training graduation in February.

[Gabby Egan]

So then you got pregnant there.

[Kayl]

Yeah, on our hotel date.

[Gabby Egan]

I can't.

[Kayl]

One time I wasn't even ovulating. I don't know. It was definitely a Valentine's Day baby. And. Yeah. And so then he went to ait, and I found out I was pregnant while he was there. And then after that, we were stationed, like, two hours from home, so as close as we could be to home.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

But I couldn't imagine. Like, now I think I was just doing that because I felt lost, but, like, I couldn't imagine. To your point, like, you leaving for six months, leaving my kids for six months. Like, it doesn't sound like, kill me, but, like, hearing it in the grand scheme of things, like, okay, if this is going to better our life, okay. But, like, also, like, six months, pivotal things could happen. Monumental things happen in their lives that I feel like I could never. And that's not a knock to anyone listening who's a military family, military mom or dad, like, that we're not knocking. I just don't think that I could do it now that I'm like, I have seven kids, what would I do?

[Gabby Egan]

That's how I feel. I guess it was like, when I had my son and I didn't have anything else. Like, now I. I have built some things and I have even more kids now. Like, my husband needs my support with his two kids. And, like, we have pets and dogs and a life and a whole house. Like, at the time that I made the decision to leave for seven months to better myself, I really, I don't know where I would have been if I didn't have the structure of the military. Truly, I didn't. I needed that. So I knew that I made the right choice in that moment. And I would still, like, sit up and cry every single night. But, yeah, like you said, not knocking anybody who does it. I mean, I did make it, make the decision to do it.

[Kayl]

But you doing it now, it's the timing. Because if I would have done it after high school, like, truly, that would have been a great option for me after high school if I hadn't had a baby. Right? Like, but I'm just. Could you have done. Instead of coming all the way out, could you have done Reserves?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, but I, I just, like, I'm not really a half assed person.

[Kayl]

Fair.

[Gabby Egan]

Like, and not saying that anybody who's in the reserves are not, like, I know.

[Kayl]

No, because you were all the way in and then you wanted to be a mom.

[Gabby Egan]

Really. I know people in the National Guard and Reserves that I have a lot of respect for. And so that's not me knocking anybody who's in the National Guard or anything like that. But, yeah, no, I. I completely understand the mental breakdown and like, going to a recruiter because not too long ago, I was talking to Meg and I was like, I want to be a hairstylist. Because, like, I'm around her and all of her hairstylist girlies. I have a call with Aveda.

[Kayl]

Are you going to do it? You go to hair. You have to go cosmetology school.

[Gabby Egan]

No, I have a whole call. The girl's wearing one of my tie dye shirts.

[Kayl]

We're the same person, Gabby.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Like, just from doing your podcast and now sitting here like, there are so many. Like, I am perfectly fine, can pay my bills, do all the things, but I don't know if I won't be able to pay them next year. So I better come up with a plan now.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, no, I'm like, I'm fully, like, telling this girl from Aveda, like, you're

[Kayl]

going to do hair?

[Gabby Egan]

I'm like, I'm so excited. Like, my friend Meg, she's like, I know you. Your friend Meg. I love her. I'm wearing her shirt. And I made the shirt. It's like olive and ivy shirt.

[Kayl]

Wait, what made you. You just thought you needed to do this?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. Kevin was gonna do it with me, mind you. I'm running a whole nother business. Okay. Don't know how I thought I was gonna do that and then go to hair school. Yeah, they're like. They're blowing me up. Like, I still get the text now from Aveda.

[Kayl]

Like, did you say, like, no, I'm actually changed my mind.

[Gabby Egan]

I said, I don't know what was wrong with me. I'm so sorry I wasted your time. Like, I don't know. And Meg was like, what the is wrong with you, Gabby? Like, why would you. I did, like, a whole virtual tour. So, yes, I did. And you were.

[Kayl]

Or you were never going to do it.

[Gabby Egan]

You just told my mom about it, too. I was looking at tuition plans.

[Kayl]

You know what? I did this with real estate.

[Gabby Egan]

A couple months ago, I started real estate school.

[Kayl]

So my friend. I. My friend is. He has the dude dad's podcast under Killer Network, and he's a realtor. And it's like this, like, cool structure. And he, like, almost convinced me, and I'm like, every day, every other week, I'm like, should we do it? Should we not do it? You know what I mean? But, like, I feel like everybody and their mother is in real estate right now.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I agree.

[Kayl]

And I feel like I'm not fighting for two customers. I'm not. I'm not fighting for two clients.

[Gabby Egan]

And the market sucks right now. Like, unless you're in, like, a military town, you really don't. Like, there's nothing. The market sucks. Yeah. I mean, I feel you. I. I literally started real estate school.

[Kayl]

So what are we gonna do? Like, should we. What other ideas do we.

[Gabby Egan]

I thought about being a nail.

[Kayl]

I thought. I knew that was gonna come. I thought about that, but I'm like, you know what? I would break everybody's nails. Like, it just wouldn't be.

[Gabby Egan]

The thing is, it sounds fun, but then I imagine myself, like, sitting and doing people's nails every day and having to talk to them and entertain them and, like, be friendly all the time. It makes me want to crash out. I don't think that I could do it.

[Kayl]

There's nothing about nails that makes me. I, like, briefly thought about it. I also wouldn't be good at it.

[Gabby Egan]

No, I, I, There's. I don't. I don't know. Sometimes I go through all these ideas that I have of things that I would be good at or, like, you know, I thought I was gonna be a sourdough baker. I had, like, a whole sourdough thing.

[Kayl]

I did that last week.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. My. I never made a loaf of bread, but I neither. It was eating the star. Yes.

[Kayl]

And then. And then we had to throw it away.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Because it just didn't. We didn't do what we were supposed to be doing.

[Gabby Egan]

And I never got a single loaf of bread out of it. But I just kept feeding that damn starter. Look at my starter today. I had mine for like six months.

[Kayl]

Oh, good. Okay, so at least we know when you commit to something, you're committed.

[Gabby Egan]

And I just kept. I kept adding the flour, but I never got anything from it.

[Kayl]

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[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I, I feel like I have commitment issues to where I will commit to something. Evan, do you have adhd? I think I could possibly.

[Kayl]

I think I have borderline personality disorder.

[Gabby Egan]

I know you said that earlier and I, I, I mean, but also the

[Kayl]

sim, the symptoms are very similar to adhd. So I think it's just maybe not being medicated. But I medicated today.

[Gabby Egan]

That's what I was talking to my psychiatrist about, like a couple years back. I don't see her anymore because she, the only thing she does is try to get me put on meds.

[Kayl]

And I'm trying to, like, not be on meds.

[Gabby Egan]

Right.

[Kayl]

I get it.

[Gabby Egan]

And I was like, I think I'm adhd. And she put me on a wait list to get tested for it. By the time I, it was time for me to get tested for it, I already forgot about it. You know, that was like three years ago. But I am, I'm diagnosed with bipolar. I'm bipolar one.

[Kayl]

So, like, okay, explain what that means to me.

[Gabby Egan]

So I have extremely high highs and extremely low lows. And like, I have severe insomnia. Like, when I'm up, I'm up. There's no bringing me down. So, like, I feel like recently Meg has been asking me, like, are you, are you having a manic episode?

[Kayl]

Like, are you, do you know when you're manic and not manic, like, subconsciously?

[Gabby Egan]

I feel like I do. I feel like when I'm low, I'm sleeping a lot. I'm, I have very low energy. I'm still getting my stuff done. Now it's more managed just because I've had it for so long and I know how to deal with it. And I'm just kind of just like down on myself. Like, I kind of just hate myself. Like, what's going on?

[Kayl]

Is this something that can develop or are you born with it?

[Gabby Egan]

I think I've had it my whole life. I think that you can develop it, though. Like, I think a lot of people have had it, and then it, maybe with age, it, like, it worsens. Like, I got diagnosed the first time when I was 16, and then I got re diagnosed when I was 21, so I didn't believe them. The first time they diagnosed me, I said, you got the wrong girl. I don't got bipolar.

[Kayl]

Is there meds for that?

[Gabby Egan]

Antipsychotics and.

[Kayl]

So do you take antipsychotics or.

[Gabby Egan]

No, No, I. I've gone down that wheel. Like, I used to take Seroquel. I took Abilify. So I don't know Bill a die. I've been on rail or I've never heard of these. They're all antipsychotics. Have you ever been on them?

[Kayl]

No.

[Gabby Egan]

Right. Like, I gained 60 pounds on Seroquel, and I would wake up sleep eating, like, eating in my sleep. Like, I was so hungry. I was a bottomless pit. And a lot of my friends who have been to rehab and stuff, they get put on Seroquel and rehab.

[Kayl]

Why?

[Gabby Egan]

Because it helps you sleep well.

[Kayl]

Why not just prescribe, like, Ambien or melatonin?

[Gabby Egan]

I don't know. I don't. I really don't know why they give a Cerequil. But, like.

[Kayl]

Or how about a goddamn edible?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, well, then you can abuse that, too.

[Kayl]

An edible.

[Gabby Egan]

I used to take, like, 500 milligrams of edibles a day and be functional during the day. Yeah.

[Kayl]

To function THC.

[Gabby Egan]

Correct.

[Kayl]

You could function on 500 milligrams of THC?

[Gabby Egan]

Yep. Yeah.

[Kayl]

I would be melting into a goddamn wall.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, I was. I was a severe. Like, severe. That's why I had to stop smoking. People were like, oh, you're not addicted to weed? I'm like, yeah, I think I like low key. I'm addicted to cannabis. Like, I'm addicted to th. I have to have it to function. I wake up in the morning, I have to have it. I'm sweating without it. I can't talk to you without it. I can't go to the grocery store without it. I can't go to events without it. I can't have this conversation right now. I need to. I need to. Mine was more edibles than it was, like, actually smoking.

[Kayl]

Okay, so is bipolar one comorbid with addiction? Like, it can be like.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Okay, so then how does one get into. First of all, let me backtrack. What made you want to get sober?

[Gabby Egan]

Going to jail?

[Kayl]

Like, truly, was that, like, rock bottom for you? Do they say, like. I know they say you have to hit rock bottom in order to actually want to do that.

[Gabby Egan]

Wasn't my rock bottom. I still drank. I mean, even after Nashville. I went to jail in Vegas, got sober for a little bit. Started drinking again. Then I got arrested in Nashville. I was like, I. This was just a one off occurrence. Like, somebody pissed me off, they pissed me off. I, you know, whatever. It was always everybody else's problem until I went on Against All Odds.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

And I went to a meeting that I didn't even know was an AA meeting. Did they? My friend Rachel.

[Kayl]

Yeah, I know who Rachel is. Yeah, yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

So she invites me on Against All Odds. I'm like, I'm not an addict and I'm not sober. I don't know why you're inviting me on this, this podcast.

[Kayl]

Were you offended?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

I was like, why are you like, what is, what the is this? Yeah, you know, so she's like, no, no, I just want to ask you about, like, your story. And like, you have a great story. Like, you know, you, you got pregnant young and you're doing well for yourself now. And I was like, okay, right? So I go out there and I'm, you know, I'm awkward because I know Rachel's sober and she's, you know, an addict and stuff. And I was like, okay, I'm not going to get my weed when I go to California. Because usually as soon as I touch down in California, I get weed immediately at the dispensary. So I touch down, I take my rental car. I'm driving past the dispensaries. I was like, I'm not smoking on this trip. I get there, I'm like sweating. I'm like, have. I'm just like, I'm miserable. She's like, hey, we're going to a meeting. There's going to be pizza and stuff. I thought it was like a pre podcast meeting. It's an AA meeting on the side of a mountain. The most gorgeous place ever. And everybody starts like, hi, I'm, I'm Terry. I'm an alcoholic, you know, whatever. And I'm like, like, I'm at a. A meeting.

[Kayl]

Did you say something to her?

[Gabby Egan]

No, I'm just looking around like, what. Where the am I at right now? So this woman starts speaking at the meeting, and I resonated with every word that she said, and I was like, oh, I've been blaming everybody else. It's me, isn't it? But I've known that subconsciously for years that it was always me. I'm the one who put myself in all these positions. I'm the one who, who's ruined all these opportunities for myself. Who's, you know, it's my fault. But I can always pick Someone else to blame. And she was talking about how, like, one day it finally hit her that it was like, it was her. She was the problem. In that moment, I realized that I was the problem. And I left that AA meeting distraught. And then you had to go podcast the next day. So I'm up all night in that room, like, staring at myself in the mirror, like, disassociated from reality. Like, have I literally been, like, doing all of these things? Like, I had substance abuse problems for most of my life. Like, whether that was, like, coke Molly, like, just, like, dabbling in things throughout my life, like, always, like, chasing kind of a next high. And, like, how can I. How can I escape the reality that I'm sitting in right now?

[Kayl]

Right.

[Gabby Egan]

It's agonizing, right? But in that moment, I realized that, like, I needed to sit with myself for at least a little bit. And I was like, I'm done smoking. I'm done drinking. I need to, like, figure myself out, because, like, I'm not. Well, after that meeting, like, I think that I might be the problem. And I went on the podcast the next day, I filmed it. And since that day, I have not touched anything. And that's. I. I got sober because I, like, went to an AA meeting, and I. I literally like something. It was like, something just hit me, and it was like a brick wall, and it was like, wake up. And I did. Yeah.

[Kayl]

So what does it feel like at that point? Like, when you walked into the podcast and recorded that podcast after you had gone to that meeting? What's going through your head when they're asking you questions?

[Gabby Egan]

I am just kind of, like, most of it is about my life and stuff. And I. I think I, like, started to talk in that episode about, like, maybe I do have a problem. And, like, maybe some of the stuff,

[Kayl]

like, literally in real time.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Like, okay, I might have a problem.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. I was like, after that meeting last night, like, I think maybe I do have a problem. And so I started reflecting. And I did have an old substance abuse counselor, but every time I talked to him, I would just lie to him. He's like, do you feel like you need to have a drink every night? And I'm like, no. Even though I'm going home and I'm drinking every night.

[Kayl]

Wow. You know, when do you do. You had, like, a point in your life where you can pinpoint where it started?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, probably when I was, like, 16. I, like. I started smoking weed when I was, like, 12, like, dabbling in weed and stuff.

[Kayl]

Right, right, right.

[Gabby Egan]

And then like when I was 16, I went like downhill bad. Like I, I just felt worthless as a human being. I felt like I wasn't a good mom. I felt like I was failing at everything in my life, even though everything was working out for me. I almost killed myself multiple. Like, not intentionally, but like giving myself alcohol poisoning. I was in the hospital getting my stomach pumped.

[Kayl]

Like, like truly reckless behavior.

[Gabby Egan]

Like, truly, like, like xanning out on the highway going 70 down. Like the highway, I'm going 70 miles an hour down the road and I completely like zan out because I'm on Xanax and I took too much. This is when I was 16. Oh my gosh.

[Kayl]

It's like 16 just feels like such a. Like I have a 16 year old. And like I look at what I was doing, which was just smoking weed and having sex, and I look at him and I'm like, you're a baby. Like you're. How can do you know to do. Like, he doesn't know anything about drugs and alcohol and I'm so thankful for it. But like, how do we know we're babies at 16?

[Gabby Egan]

I feel like, yeah, for me it was, it was that disconnect from like, I was an adult when I was 13 because I had my son. And my parents immediately were like, you're an adult now. Not, they didn't say that to me, but that's how it felt. And I was treated as an adult since that point. You know, I started working, I started having a job. So like, you know, two, three years into being a mom and like my son's going with his other grandparents for the weekend and I, you know, sometimes I don't have him. I'm losing my mind when I don't have him.

[Kayl]

Like, I'm so to fill your time, you're just partying.

[Gabby Egan]

And anytime I didn't have him or any breaks that I got, my friends were terrible exams examples, like where I'm from, like, there's nothing to do. So all there is to do is like, go to people's houses, have kickbacks, trip on acid, you know, go to the gas station, up, like, you know,

[Kayl]

like that's what you do.

[Gabby Egan]

And that was my life.

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

And that's where I felt fulfilled.

[Kayl]

So are you still struggling with substance abuse when you get married to your husband?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, because the army, I mean, that's army culture. At least it was for us. It was drinking and alcohol. So it wasn't like, like, you know, doing drugs, but it was drinking for sure.

[Kayl]

He's rocked with you through this whole thing.

[Gabby Egan]

Oh yeah. My husband had, I mean he was going through heartbreak. He had just, you know, went through a divorce with his ex wife. He's, you know, lost this girlfriend that he was like in love with after his ex wife because she cheated on him. And then now we're together, we're both like damaged goods. Like we've been through it. Like my husband has his own issues, which I'm not going to speak on, of course.

[Kayl]

Of course.

[Gabby Egan]

But he, he went through it with like his ex wife and like, like his own personal stuff, his own childhood and he, he's got his own baggage and stuff. So he is just as bad as I am. Like the first time I met my husband, I pulled up to his barracks room to pick him up. Like we matched on Tinder. I was like, I'll get ya. Like, let's go get some hibachi, you know. And so I'm picking him up from AS variks and he is holding a red solo cup full of Jack and coke, drunk as and we go get hibachi together and I drive.

[Kayl]

He's drunk as look, but that wasn't a red flag to you because you also had substance abuse.

[Gabby Egan]

I was like, oh my God, he's so fun. Like he is such a good time.

[Kayl]

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[Gabby Egan]

That wasn't until 2024. I don't even have two years.

[Kayl]

Oh, so he's rocked with you with through all of this. Yeah, up until recently. Where you decide to get sober.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, and he got sober right before I did. But like it Was a subconscious thing.

[Kayl]

Wait, okay, so now talk to me about that. Because they say, like, if you are having substance abuse and you go to rehab and you're working your program or you're doing the halfway house or whatever that is, like, you don't really want to get into a relationship immediately following trying to get sober because you want to wait till you're on solid ground. Right. So you're already married. He gets sober and you're not. What does that look like for your marriage?

[Gabby Egan]

So I don't, I, I really. The time where I got sober, I don't know why it's like so fuzzy for me. Because we had already been married for, like, by the time we got sober, we had already been married for like six, six years. So he, or maybe he stopped drinking right after me. I. I just remember maybe we both smoked a lot too. So, like, it's kind of fuzzy, I think. No, he got sober right after me. So I came back from Against All Odds and I was like, I'm done with everything. And he was like, good luck with that. You know, like, good luck with that. And I remember he did. No, now it's coming back. He did keep drinking for a little bit after that. And I remember he would, he just would get kind of nasty to me. Not like, like bad nasty, but like when he would drink, I would just ask him a question. He'd be kind of like rude to me. And one night I had said to him, I was like, you're always so mean to me. Like, even whenever you, like, have a drink or something, you're just so nasty. Like, why, why are you like this? But I was the same way when I would drink. I was.

[Kayl]

But you didn't have clarity until you.

[Gabby Egan]

Right.

[Kayl]

Stop drinking.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. Or at least enough like self accountability to be like, damn, I suck when I drink, you know?

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

And so I think it might have been like one of the nights that I had said that to him, he was like, mom, I'm. I'm not gonna drink anymore. So he just stopped drinking.

[Kayl]

Cold turkey. That can kill you.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, but we weren't like, drinking, you know. Yeah, it can kill you. So if you are like a severe

[Kayl]

alcoholic, people don't know that alcohol. If you are an alcoholic and you just stop cold turkey, that is one addiction that will absolutely kill you. I know that heroin might feel like it's going to kill you, or cocaine might feel like it's gonna. Meth might feel like you're dying, but it won't actually kill you. Alcohol will yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

So if you, like, are. If you need alcohol to function, like, go to detox.

[Kayl]

Yeah. You cannot. You have to do that under, like, medical supervision for sure.

[Gabby Egan]

But we weren't alcoholics to the point where, like, we couldn't function without alcoholic or without alcohol. We were alcoholics to the point where it was like, we didn't know when to stop drinking.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

That was me. At least my husband was more so, like, he needed one every night to, like, you know, chill out or unwind or relax or whatever. And he also, like, addiction runs in his family.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

So he. I feel like he just kind of, like, was at his ends with it, and he's had his own issues with substances, too, but he just kind of decided one day, and then he was like, yeah, you know, I haven't drank in a week. You know, I haven't drank in a month. I haven't drank in. And now he hasn't drank in, like, you know, almost as long as I haven't drank. I think he got sober, like, two months after me. He quit smoking before me. That's what it was.

[Kayl]

Okay.

[Gabby Egan]

I quit smoking right at the same time I stopped drinking, and that was, like, agonizing for me.

[Kayl]

So when did you reopen Dicey Dice?

[Gabby Egan]

In January of this year.

[Kayl]

Do you think that is because you got sober?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Kayl]

Really?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

So what is. What has been the experience for you opening this store compared with your last one? Like, do you feel like it's just, like, a completely different vibe? Do you feel like you have a clearer head?

[Gabby Egan]

I definitely do. I feel like, you know, a lot of the people that support me and support Icy Dies are, like, the hue. Like, huge in the stoner community. And. And so that's why, I mean, I don't think that weed is bad. I really don't.

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

I think that people can totally, like, live a great lifestyle and use weed in moderation and have fun. Like, I wish I could, you know?

[Kayl]

Sure.

[Gabby Egan]

But I can't at this time. Maybe one day, who knows? But I still. I feel bad because a lot of people that, like, you know, supported Dicey Dies heavily were, like, my stoner community. So that's why, even though I'm sober now, people say that I'm, like, a hypocrite because I still do, like, 420 drops and, like, weed drops and, you know, make merch that has, like, pot leaves on it and stuff. But that's because that was a huge part of my brand for so long. Like, that's what Dicey Dies was built on was, like, the stoner community and, like, going to these, like, 420 events and setting up these vendor tents at these, like, crazy, like, you know, trippy festivals and stuff.

[Kayl]

Yeah.

[Gabby Egan]

So now it's almost like it. I. It was always family oriented and stuff, I guess, but now it's more family oriented.

[Kayl]

Like, I mean, now that you say it, because I got to go visit Dicey Dies in Kentucky, and I guess when I walked in, I didn't. I didn't automatically associate it with, like, the stoner community, but, like, now that you say that, I could see why it would be associated with, like, the stoner community. But, I mean, either way, I think it could. It could just be both. Like, it could be family or it could be stoner. Like, does it have to be one way or the other?

[Gabby Egan]

No. And I don't feel like it ever really was, but I feel like majority of my audience that, like, supported that side of my business, and they were kind of disappointed when I got sober, and they're like, oh, my God, Gabby's about to change. But I've always made it really important. Like, a lot of my people still come in who are, like, still high out of their minds, and they come in blasted from, like, festivals or whatever because weed's legal in Ohio, so, like, they can come right across the river.

[Kayl]

Is your Dicey Dies is in Kentucky, though.

[Gabby Egan]

It's in Kentucky.

[Kayl]

But the weirdest thing in my whole life was coming to Indiana and driving, living between Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky all within just a couple minutes. And I didn't know that that was a thing. And so I have to keep asking, like, so wait, the hair salon. So Meg is her podcast co host and hair stylist and friend, owns a salon in Ohio. Is 20 minutes from this studio. Is this in. Are we in? We're in Ohio, but your store is in Kentucky. But your store and Meg salon are only, like, 15 minutes apart. And I drove from Indiana this morning, so I just. This whole, entire, like, area is so funny to me.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

Okay, so then you get sober or not get sober. You sort of just switch your brand, I guess, to, like, family friendly, but also can still be.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, anybody. Like, any. Like, that's my whole thing is that, like, tie dye is not for, like, one specific group. Like, yeah, it's associated with, like, the stoner and hippie community and, like, stuff like that. But, like, you can be, you know, some. We have, like, a lot of, like, people who are, like, professionals. We have a cop who is, like, a huge tie Dye fan. And he, like, loves me. And he comes in and he's like, gabby, here's my card. You call me if you have any problems. And, like, on my grand opening, he waited in this long ass line in uniform to buy, like, four different shirts from us. And, like, crewnecks and seven. I was like, oh, are these for your wife? He's like, these are for me. What?

[Kayl]

See? But, like, that's. That should be, like, loved.

[Gabby Egan]

Like, yeah, I love that. That's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like when I rebranded myself, I tried to pivot myself that way. Like, I am and my brand, like, it's not for anyone. Like, we have, like, 80, 90 year olds who come in and they're obsessed with our store. We have kids who come in and they're obsessed with our store. Like, you can be any demographic. It doesn't matter what you are. Like, anybody is welcome here in Tiedye for everybody. And that's what I feel like I'm more associated with, and it has been for a long time. But I was heavily tied to the stoner community for a long time. Yeah.

[Kayl]

That's so interesting. I have never looked at you and been like, yeah, up. Gabby's a stoner.

[Gabby Egan]

Really?

[Kayl]

Never?

[Gabby Egan]

That's. You need to scroll back.

[Kayl]

I've been following you since when you

[Gabby Egan]

interviewed me in 2023.

[Kayl]

Before that. I followed you before that. Like, I followed you for, like, probably a year before that, maybe longer.

[Gabby Egan]

That is, like, honestly, like, don't hype me up too much.

[Kayl]

I wish that I could. If there was a way for me to see, like, how long I've been following people, I could tell you. But, yeah, I knew who you were way before I interviewed you, so. And I never was like, yep, Gabby's a stoner. But I also feel like I've lived in so many places and come across so many people that I don't just associate. Like, I would never look at Alessandra and be like, yep, she's a stoner. You didn't think, like, I know she is, but, like, I don't. Like, it's just. I don't just say, like, you guys are stoners. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't even know you had a substance abuse issue until I saw your story, your tick tocks that you were making about Nashville.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

And you were online taking accountability for that and wanting to make changes and stuff like that. And I had no idea that you had substance abuse abuse struggles.

[Gabby Egan]

It's so funny because even after that, I didn't even make changes for months.

[Kayl]

Oh, really?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah.

[Kayl]

So then when you. You were about. You had your podcast last year, 2024, and then that went away.

[Gabby Egan]

I got sued last year. Yeah.

[Kayl]

So you get sued for that podcast, and now you start a new one with Meg called Softy. And when. So when did that launch?

[Gabby Egan]

That launched in October. It was supposed to launch in September, and then I lost my friend and we postponed it for a month after that. Yeah, so we. We launched in October.

[Kayl]

Okay, so you and Meg have been doing Softie podcasts for, I mean, at least eight months. Like, eight months now. How's that going?

[Gabby Egan]

It's going good.

[Kayl]

Is it hard to work with your friends?

[Gabby Egan]

No, not with Meg. It's hard to work with your friends. Yeah. But I feel like, because me and Meg have our own lives.

[Kayl]

Sure.

[Gabby Egan]

Like, she has her own business, her own family, her own, you know, whatever. We're very like. She's a low maintenance friend, and I appreciate that because if I don't call or text her back, there's no drama. She doesn't care. You know, if we. If we there. I don't think we've ever had a problem ever.

[Kayl]

Yeah, it's hard because I get a lot of for hiring my friends, but I also don't know any other life. Like, I'm a big high. If I am gonna make money, I want my friends to make money. And, like, I could see why that. That can be an issue sometimes, but I. I have had a better experience than most, I think, with that. So you guys have the podcast. You are on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your pods. Do you guys put it on YouTube?

[Gabby Egan]

Yes.

[Kayl]

Okay, so it's on YouTube. Okay. And so then you run your store, you have your four kids, you're married, you're sober, all the things. What else are you doing? Everything. Cheer. Basketball. Not the coach, not the coach. Basketball, not the coach. I also could never in my whole life ever coach something, but I can. You tell that story for the people who haven't seen the TikTok.

[Gabby Egan]

Oh, my gosh. So, like, my kids, during the summer, I wanted them to be in a summer league. And there's a program called Hustle here, and it's huge. And so I sign up and they ask you, like, do you want to volunteer as a coach? And usually when you check that box, they reach out to you first. They're like, yeah, like, hey, I heard you wanted to volunteer. Like, is it you or somebody else? No, no, no. They said, oh, you want to volunteer? They signed me up as the head coach. It says, gabrielle Egan as your head coach. My contact information, my phone number, my email address. I have parents reaching out to me. So I'm confused. I'm checking my email at the salon with Meg one day, and I'm like, why is this person emailing me, asking me about the practice schedule? Like, I haven't even got it yet, you know? And then I'm like, oh, my God. I'm, like, looking for my son's coach on the app, and I see myself as the coach. And I said, you have got to be joking me.

[Kayl]

Well, because if they would have called you, you could have been like, it's my dad or my husband or whoever. No, it's you.

[Gabby Egan]

No, it's me. So I'm, like, blowing this place up. I'm calling them, like, five times back to back. Nobody's answering me. I'm sending them emails. Finally, like, I have to go in person there for a coaches meeting. I send my dad in in place of me. So I'm, like, logging my dad in under my account information on the app, and he's just impersonating me. I put it in my bio. Like, my coach's bio. Lol. It's actually my dad. Like, it's not me. Like, here's my dad's phone number. Like, do not reach out to me. And so all the parents thought it was funny. And the owners of the organization, they love me and they love my dad. We're doing another season with them. So, like, it's. It is what it is. But that was just the most.

[Kayl]

Like, could you imagine if you had to, like, put drills together?

[Gabby Egan]

I don't think you understand. Like, I would rather pull him from that place than have to do that.

[Kayl]

Oh, if that would have happened to me, I would have. Because I would have been so embarrassed that I would not have been able to show up after that.

[Gabby Egan]

No, we would have had to leave. Like, it was already embarrassing because all the parents kind of, like, knew what happened. And then I made a tick tock about it.

[Kayl]

Oh. I mean, but that would have, like, been helpful, I feel.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. I mean, the owner called me one day and was like, hey, I saw your TikTok. That was funny.

[Kayl]

It was funny. When I saw that, I was like, that would be something that happens to me. But then I would immediately pull out. Like, I could not. What would I even do? You just have them, like, start playing knockout.

[Gabby Egan]

I guess that's what I would do. I'd be like, all right, y' all do it. I Got snacks. Do that thing.

[Kayl]

So all four kids, are they all in, like, some kind of sport or activity?

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. Both of our girls do competitive cheer year round.

[Kayl]

Okay, what is that like? Because I'm not, like, I. This is mean, but I hope Valley is not a cheer girl. Like, I'm going to support her if she is. If she wants to do it, I'll support her. But, like, I'm not look at, like, I hope she wants to do something else.

[Gabby Egan]

Cheer is so mentally and financially, and it's so tolling on everybody that's involved because it's, like, so expensive. The uniforms are expensive. The practice gear is expensive. The competitions are hotels, traveling. You know, sometimes you have to even do flights when they get older and get onto, like, world teams and stuff. And, like, even summit.

[Kayl]

Do you have to do gymnastics also because of the tumbling aspect?

[Gabby Egan]

You can do, like, tumbling. Like, I pay for privates every week. So, like, my daughter has, like, a private session every week, like, one on one with a coach so that she can, like, get extra tumbling.

[Kayl]

That sounds crazy. Like, I just have. No. I hated cheer when I was a kid. My mom put me in it for two years, and I literally. She wanted me to be the cheerleader. And I'm not a cheerleader type. I've never been. Sounds like a nightmare.

[Gabby Egan]

I mean, if the girls, like, didn't want to do it, I wouldn't be there. But, like, they actually love it. They love it and they found their community there, and, like, it really is like a sisterhood. Like, these girls, they get on their teams, and like, by the end of the season, they're, like, crying, leaving each other.

[Kayl]

Like, so it's not, like, mean girl energy.

[Gabby Egan]

Some of them are mean. But everybody's, you know, you got a couple bad ones everywhere you go, I feel like. But yeah, they love cheer. I love cheer. Our oldest plays across, too.

[Kayl]

That was my sport. Yeah, I played in high school. I played center. But wait, the oldest is a boy or girl?

[Gabby Egan]

Boy.

[Kayl]

Okay. That's way different than girls.

[Gabby Egan]

Oh, it is crazy.

[Kayl]

The girls lacrosse is nothing like boys. Boys. You might as well just throw them in a rugby game and call it a day, because that is wild.

[Gabby Egan]

I watch it and I'm sad. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Kayl]

But there's, like, a ton of colleges. Like, if he was ever interested in going to college, there's, like, tons of schools that have lacrosse now.

[Gabby Egan]

I know my son wants to try to play next year, and I'm like, we can try. Yeah, he loves it.

[Kayl]

He loves so Lacrosse, cheer and. And then basketball.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. Both of the boys. Boys play basketball and they play football, too.

[Kayl]

Tackle or flag?

[Gabby Egan]

Tackle. And Jalen plays flag in the off season.

[Kayl]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved tackle football so much, and I know that there's, like, a lot of controversy surrounding that, but I'm obsessed with tackle football.

[Gabby Egan]

Oh, yeah.

[Kayl]

I never thought I would be a football mom. And then Lincoln played for so many years, and I was like, I love this, so. And then he didn't want to play anymore.

[Gabby Egan]

There's controversy with football.

[Kayl]

Yeah. Because of, like, the hits and the tackles, but, like, the way that I've entered. And obviously, to each their own. Whatever you decide for your family is whatever you want to do. But for me, it was the age that Lincoln played. The hits were relative. So I'm sure in your experience, too, like, when Lincoln was seven, they were all. They weren't very. There wasn't any players that were so much bigger than him that the hits would have been life changing. Right. But I think the older you get when they're. When you don't really know what you're doing, it can get a little scary. And so that with CTE and everything else, I think that there's a little bit of controversy around us.

[Gabby Egan]

And, like, I feel like I've heard someone talking about that online. Maybe. I. My son's played tackle for. And same with Elijah. They've played since they were, like, five.

[Kayl]

Yeah. I love being a sports mom. I don't know what the fudge I'm talking about, but I pretend that I do. I have no idea what these plays are, and I'm okay with that.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. I feel like sometimes I know what's going on and sometimes I don't.

[Kayl]

I'm getting there. It's just a really slow process for me, but I'll be at every game with tackle.

[Gabby Egan]

I was going to say. I do get what people say about it being dangerous, because last year, my son's first game, he got tackled on the field, broke his wrist, got it in a cast. His doctor was like, he can still play with it if he wants. You know, my son was back on that field next practice with a cast.

[Kayl]

But that's the love of the sport, though. And, like, I can't knock him for. Honestly, I'm not gonna knock him for it. I'm not saying anybody else should do this, but, like, that would be me as a mom. I. Yeah, go ahead.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. Honestly, you're not gonna sit at home and play video games.

[Kayl]

You've got me up oh, see that? Don't even get me started on the video game thing. Don't get me started on the video game thing because I'm like, you better be outside doing stuff, doing chores, hanging out, doing all the things before you even think about a game.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, no, I. It drives me absolutely insane. They have all the things. They have the Xbox, the PS5, the gaming. They have it. But you, you have other commitments. Commitments.

[Kayl]

I can't do what you have to do. So you can do what you want to do. And have to do is like, be outside, be social in real life, Touch grass, talk to your friends in person. I can't do the gaming. It just drives me up a wall. It drives me up a wall when I'm on my phone all the time. So for kids, same thing. I'm not doing this. We're not doing it.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah. That's why sports are like a mandatory for me.

[Kayl]

Yeah, agreed. Well, you're gonna be the guest at my Cincinnati show on Friday night. Today, as this is airing, we will be at Bogarts. I have no idea what that means or where it is, but just look it up. It's also on klaue. Com. Where can people find you?

[Gabby Egan]

You can find me at Baby Egan on most platforms or like the softy podcast on YouTube. Gabby Egan. Google it. Gabby Egan. You find me.

[Kayl]

So go to Dicey dies in Kentucky.

[Gabby Egan]

Yes.

[Kayl]

Awesome. Thanks for coming.

[Gabby Egan]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Kayl]

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[Gabby Egan]

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[Kayl]

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[Kayl]

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