Twin Life, Unfiltered with Haylee & Harlee

Summary

Barely Famous – “Twin Life, Unfiltered with Haylee & Harlee”

Host: Kail Lowry
Guests: Haylee & Harlee (Monoamniotic Monochorionic "Momo" Twins)
Air Date: April 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively, deeply personal, and often hilarious episode, Kail sits down with Haylee and Harlee, adult identical “momo” twins, for an unfiltered exploration into rare twinhood. The three discuss everything from the high-risk nature of their birth, childhood dynamics, codependency, relationships, individuality, motherhood, and the realities of twin life few ever discuss. Both relatable and eye-opening, listeners get a front-row seat to a unique twin bond that’s survived everything from hospital scares to high school drama – and is now thriving in adulthood, marriage, motherhood, and farm life.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

Introduction & Twin Background

• Monoamniotic Monochorionic Twins Explained (02:26–02:45)
  • Kail introduces Haylee and Harlee as “momo” twins, the rarest and most high-risk category of identical twins (less than 1% of identical twin pregnancies).
  • “This is my first time ever talking to adult momo twins… I’m super excited.” – Kail (02:40)
  • Explanation of shared placenta, sac, and the dangers involved.

Family & Early Childhood

• Family Size & Being the Youngest (03:19–03:22)

  • Haylee & Harlee are the youngest of five daughters.
  • "Five girls is crazy. I have the opposite, obviously, six boys, so I couldn't imagine five girls. It's insane." – Kail (04:50)

• Bond With Siblings vs. Twin Bond (04:15–04:24)

  • Stronger, unique bond between the twins; older sisters watched over them but the twin connection was distinct.

• Always Together: Sleeping, Entertaining Each Other (03:52–04:15)

  • “With twins, they kind of entertain each other. We slept with each other for the longest time.” – Haylee/Harlee (03:52)

Growing Up a Twin

• Identity & Individuality

  • Shared birthdays, friends, grades led to an “entertaining circus” dynamic in public, but came with its own identity challenges. (05:06–05:27)
  • On being called “the twins” or “A and B” by family: “We’re just used to it… I'll answer to Harley, she answers to Haylee.” (07:04–07:31)

• Clothes, Parties, & Individual Expression (07:32–08:22)

  • Started wanting their own identity around middle school.
  • “Middle school, high school, we were not friends really… we hated each other.” – Haylee/Harlee (08:40–09:03)

• Teen Drama & Friendship

  • Experiencing joint friendships—if one girl was mad at one twin, she was mad at both.
  • "If someone was mad at her, they were going to be mad at me... I had nothing to do with it.” – Harlee (21:29)

School Years, Sports, and Competition

• Sports & Unspoken Connection (08:46–09:25)

  • Both played competitive basketball together, never swapped places but often joked about wanting to.
  • “It was weird because I could just pass her the ball. I knew she would be there.” – Harlee (09:14–09:25)

• Competition Between Twins (18:25–18:39)

  • "Everything was a competition. Just between us. Fair game.”

Unique Twin Facts & Genetics

• Twin to Twin Transfusion Syndrome (TTTS) (11:13–11:53)
  • Harlee was the recipient twin; Haylee was underdeveloped and nearly not viable.
  • “They wanted to abort me.” – Haylee (11:29)
  • Kail and the twins discuss differences in DNA/fingerprints and the effect of TTTS on their birth weights.

Family Story: Their Mother’s Perspective

• Their mother’s letter (32:50–36:28)
  • Candid, emotional tale of discovering she was carrying twins after believing she couldn’t get pregnant again.
  • "These twins were unplanned… But they were the babies I did not know I needed. They saved my life." – Their Mom (35:19)
  • Her letter highlights the challenges and rewards of unexpected twin motherhood: “You do not avoid hard. You choose your hard.” (35:54)
  • Kail tears up on air: “Didn’t think I would cry about a twin story, but here we are.” (36:28)

Adulthood, Relationships, and Motherhood

• Separation Anxiety & Codependency (24:51–25:40, 70:43–71:14)

  • First separation after high school exposed anxiety for Haylee: “That’s whenever I realized I have really bad anxiety.” (24:55)
  • Discussed how codependency stems simply from being a twin, not trauma: “It’s kind of cool. Like, you can have a codependency, and it wasn’t developed from, like, an unhealthy situation.” – Kail (70:54)

• Marriage & Their Husbands’ Perspectives (26:25–26:56, 46:42–47:34)

  • Both husbands are comfortable with their twin bond—“He just knows that's my person.”
  • “My husband, he's just like, if I ask him something, he's like, go ahead and call Harley and ask her.” – Haylee (26:34)
  • Their husbands have even become friends.

• Motherhood & Their Own Children (46:17–46:42, 66:16–66:57)

  • “I'm the second mom. She's like, the second mom.” – Twins describe their shared parenting across their kids.
  • Bond with each other’s children is unique—“We're the godparents of each other's kids.” (66:48)

Finding Individuality and Advice for Other Twins

• Advice to Other Twins (49:53–51:39)

  • Finding outside interests/friends in high school is key to lessening codependency.
  • “It's okay to go your separate way… I think it really helps. Necessary.” – Haylee (50:01–50:07)

• On Being Compared & Self-Worth (77:18–78:21)

  • Experiences with being labeled “the prettier twin” or being compared; how this affected self-esteem.
  • “People would compare us... but we were different people.” (77:18–77:51)

• Living As Adults and the Future (74:49–76:13)

  • The twins ponder the rarity of seeing elderly twins together—“We’re gonna be in the same hospital bed when we die.” (75:12)
  • On plans for the future: Dream of building houses next door to each other.

Farm Life & Rural Upbringing

• Childhood on a Dairy Farm (59:44–61:37)
  • Haylee now works on a dairy farm; both recall early mornings, chores, showing cows, and strong work ethic.

Misconceptions and Funny Moments

• Twin “Mind Reading” Myths (69:11–69:24)

  • “Yes, we can read each other’s minds, but it's not like people think... It's more of an intuition.”

• Life Mix-Ups & Small Town Life (44:12–45:45)

  • Swap stories with people confusing which twin they’re talking to, even with family members and in public.

• Medical Mix-Ups (67:52–68:12)

  • Pharmacy (Walgreens) frequently mixes up their meds due to same birthdate and similar last names.

• Notable Quotes/Twin Moments

  • “Honestly thinking about a life without Harley, I cannot do.” – Haylee (75:44)
  • “We do come together, but we're not the same person." – Haylee (76:08)
  • On being best friends: “My mom constantly reminded us, like, when you grow up, you're going to be best friends... And she do be right.” (55:22–55:41)

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Memorable Segments & Timestamps

• Monoamniotic Twin Explanation 02:26–02:45
• Being Called ‘The Twins’ & A/B 07:04–07:31
• Middle School Realization of Individuality 08:40–09:03
• TTTS & Their Precarious Birth Story 11:13–11:53
• Mom’s Emotional Letter 32:50–36:28
• Anxiety and Codependency in Adulthood 24:51–25:40, 70:54–71:14
• Advice for Twin Independence 49:53–51:39
• Farm Life Description 59:44–61:37
• Misconceptions on Twin Intuition/Mind Reading 69:11–69:24
• Reflections on Twinhood and Individuality 74:49–76:13

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Notable Quotes

“These twins were unplanned… But they were the babies I did not know I needed. They saved my life. Because of them I finished my degree. I became more confident, more capable, and a better mother.”
— Their Mom, (35:19)

“It just feels like our whole, our whole childhood, like, we were compared to the same person. Like, but we were different people.”
— Haylee (76:29)

“Honestly thinking about a life without Harley, I cannot do… physically, mentally, I cannot.”
— Haylee (75:44)

“We do come together, but we're not the same person.”
— Haylee (76:08)

“My mom constantly reminded us, like, when you grow up, you're going to be best friends… And we always be like, no, we're not... and she do be right.”
— Haylee (55:22–55:41)

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Conclusion

This episode gives an honest, humorous, and moving look into the challenges and joys of identical twin life—covering birth trauma, lifelong codependency, developing independence, raising separate families, and always, always being “a package deal but not the same person.” Haylee and Harlee share perspectives valuable to twins, parents, and anyone fascinated by sibling bonds. Their story closes as a testament to sisterhood, individuality, and the unique strength born from growing together—even when it means working cows at the crack of dawn or sharing the same medicine at Walgreens.

Where to Find Haylee & Harlee:

• TikTok: smithhaley_00 and harleehunt

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For more real, raw, and compelling conversations, tune in Fridays to Barely Famous with Kail Lowry.

Transcript

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[B]

Is it chromatic?

[A]

No, not monochromatic. Mono.

[B]

Amniotic.

[A]

Yeah. Mono amniotic. But mono. Chorionic.

[B]

Chorionic crown. Yeah. We say what we say.

[A]

These are the rarest and most high risk forms of identical twinning, and I've only ever met one other set. So this is my first time ever talking to adult momo twins, and I'm super excited. This occurs in less than 1% of identical twin pregnancies, and there is a higher, like, likelihood of them being female, which is so interesting to me. So welcome to Barely Famous.

[B]

Thanks for having us. We're so excited.

[A]

We have Harley on the left with brown hair, and Haley on the right with blonde hair. So for anyone watching, that's how I'm teaching myself, to tell them apart. First of all, how old are you guys now?

[B]

We just turned 27.

[A]

When you're Pisces. Pisces love that for you guys. First of all, do you have other siblings or is it just you two?

[B]

My mom and dad had five girls, and we're the babies.

[A]

You know, we're the babies. See, you know what's so crazy is after I've. I had twins myself, like, thinking about it, in hindsight, when you have twins first as your first pregnancy, you don't know any different. So you go into parenthood double trouble, double all the things. But when they're last, you're already spread so thin, and then, boom, you have twins. So it's really, really challenging. But, and I say this to everyone I anyone that I love, I wish twins on them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I'm obsessed with my twins, and I love. I just love being a twin mom.

[B]

My mom always, like, is like. It seems like it would be hard, but with twins, they kind of entertain each other. And, like, we slept each with each other for the longest time.

[A]

Really? Yeah.

[B]

Same crib. Because we couldn't be apart. So we've always. I mean, my mom's like, it does feel different, but it was easier for her because we entertain each other, and we were always each other's best friend.

[A]

But so with you guys growing up, being as close as you were and obviously sharing a womb and all the things. Did you have a hard time bonding with your older sisters?

[B]

I think so. Thanks. So, I mean, we can definitely tell a difference between us, like, our bond and their bond, but we are really close. Yeah, we're very blessed. And they're like, they were. They helped my mom a lot by

[A]

helping us for sure.

[B]

When she, like, was Cooking or. She went. She was going to school when we were, like, two. She would work nights at the donut shop, and we would go with her there and that our sisters would watch us. Why? She worked and then she'd go to school the next day.

[A]

Five girls is crazy. I have the opposite, obviously, six boys, so I couldn't imagine five girls. It's insane. But did you ever feel different growing up? Like, did you ever realize, okay, this is my twin sister. Not only are we twins, we're identical. So you share same birthday, same friend, same grade, same everything.

[B]

I feel like sometimes we were like a. A circus, you know? Like, people always were like, oh, are you guys twins? Oh, my gosh. That's so cool. Like, it was only pointed out. What is she thinking? Like, it's not.

[A]

It's not like that.

[B]

Yeah. So it was kind of like a. People did find it entertaining, but. But we did struggle with, like, being our own person.

[A]

Right. I would imagine that at some point, you want to have your own identity. Did your mom have to spend any of her pregnancy in the hospital?

[B]

No, she was on bed. Bed rest until. I mean, because that was 27 years ago, and we were momo twins. So the research back then, like, even 27 years ago, was not a lot.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so she was on bed rest, I think, at 20 weeks. Yeah. She had to be on full bed rest.

[A]

I think that's for my kids, cousins, our momo twins. And the mom was in the hospital for, like, 20 weeks.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. She was. Luckily, I think, because she had kids at home, she was like, I gotta do my bed rest at home.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And all that. But she was on bed rest. I'm trying to find it.

[A]

That's so fascinating to me.

[B]

From November until March, because she had us in March, so. And she had us a little, I think, three weeks early. Yeah.

[A]

That's pretty good, though.

[B]

Twins.

[A]

Yeah, for twins in general, but then also for momo twins. That's. So for people listening or watching momo twins, you share a placenta and an umbilical cord. Is that right? That's why.

[B]

A sack.

[A]

A sack and a placenta. And so then you. You just have the two umbilical cords to the same placenta. But that's why it makes it so dangerous, because there's just one. Where my fraternal twins had two separate placentas.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is. I think they were two different sacks as well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. But then there's also identical twins that do not share a placenta. Is that right?

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[A]

Okay. Did you guys love or hate being called the twins growing up?

[B]

I don't. I feel like I didn't love her. I mean, it was just what we were called. That's all we've ever known. They called us A and B a lot.

[A]

Like, are you serious?

[B]

Yeah. Like my grandpa. We lived on a farm. I lived on a dairy farm. We grew up on a dairy farm. My grandpa would be like, haley, Harley, Harley, Haley. He'd say that. Or he'd be like. And then my dad was like A and B. And our cakes would be like A and B.

[A]

And you didn't mind being called the twins?

[B]

No, no.

[A]

My hair stylist is also a twin, and she hated being called the twins. Yeah.

[B]

Like, we just. I don't know. We're just used to it. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll answer. I'll answer to Harley. She answers to Haley. Yeah. You know?

[A]

It doesn't bother you?

[B]

No.

[A]

When you guys were growing up, did you want separate birthday parties or you liked doing everything together?

[B]

I think we got to a point where we wanted.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We didn't have a choice just because of the way we grew up. Yeah. Which isn't a diss to my mom or anything. I think there was probably a few birthdays that would have been nice to have separate, but it's also, like, worth. We got. We're a package deal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I don't know. I. I feel like maybe there was some birthdays more. So maybe it'll seem. Because I'm a pink girly through, and she's not a pink girl, so I think it had to do with that. She would want a pink cake, and then. So eventually they would get us, you know, two separate cakes and all that. But, like, Christmas, birthdays, we got the same. We did the same thing. And if it was a color. Different color. Yeah.

[A]

Did you guys like that? Like, being dressed the same, or.

[B]

No?

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Maybe when we were, like, little cute, but, like, when we started to grow up, we were like, what the. Now we love it. Now we like it, but still different colors. Yes.

[A]

Okay. But when would you say that you guys started to realize, okay, I want own identity? Like, I love being a twin, but I also kind of want to do my own outfits, my own thing.

[B]

I feel like maybe middle school, middle school, high school, we were not friends really bad.

[A]

We really.

[B]

We hated each other. Yeah. We spent. I mean, we still shared a room. Kind of. Kind of. Not really, but kind of. We spent seven days at basketball together. Very in. Did competitive basketball, too. Yeah. In high school, basketball. So we never got time apart, so I think that had to do with it. And then we started dating and stuff.

[A]

So did you like playing the same sports or did you want to do one other? Did you one of you want to do another sport?

[B]

I was always just basketball. Yeah. Softball. But I think we. We love playing basketball together. It was weird because I could just pass her a ball. Yeah. I knew she would be there. I knew she would be there, so

[A]

that's so fascinating to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you guys ever switch places? No.

[B]

We wanted. We wanted to, but I'm an excited person, and our moms and teachers are like, oh, we're not, like, switching.

[A]

Your mom's a teacher. Did she teach at the school that you guys are?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No. By the time she had got through college and started at a school, we were kind of already established, and we didn't want to switch schools.

[A]

Okay, that's fair.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just feel like I would be switching places with my twin.

[B]

We really wanted to. Yeah. Now we look about like, damn, we should have done that.

[A]

What would they have done to you? Could they prove it? No, that's true.

[B]

We have the same DNA.

[A]

So you guys have the same exact DNA. So in theory, if one of you committed a crime.

[B]

She says this all the time.

[A]

Somebody, one. The other one could get in trouble.

[B]

Yes. The only thing is, is, like, fingerprints, since, like. Like, just like, naturally, like, if you burn your finger, it's gonna, like, leave a different fingerprint. So like, they could go off fingerprints and it might not be the same, but our DNA is the same.

[A]

Okay, so fingerprints are different. That's fascinating. I didn't realize that they weren't, like.

[B]

They're not much different when we're babies, but, like, because, like, injuries or something like that, that can change. Like, your. The skin on your fingerprints, they can be different. Did.

[A]

Do you know if, like, doctors and stuff told your mom exactly what to expect and, like, what momo twins were, or did you kind of figure all of that out growing up? You sor. Learned more about being momo twins.

[B]

They gave my mom a lot of information of what they could, but they thought I was gonna be dead. Why? Because we had have a twin to twin transfusion.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

She'll tell you.

[A]

Twin to twin transfusion syndrome, also called TTTS or twin to twin transfusion syndrome, is a condition in which the blood flows unequally between twins that share a placenta.

[B]

That's right. Yeah.

[A]

It occurs in about 10 to 15% of mono chorionic Yeah.

[B]

I don't know how to say it.

[A]

I don't know how to say that. Twins. And then it says in twin to twin transfusion syndrome, there is an unequal sharing of blood that passes between the twins. Blood vessels connections on the surface of the placenta. One twin called the donor twin pumps blood to the other twin. So you were the recipient?

[B]

Yes, but I. I can't remember how many weeks. I wasn't getting anything. Yeah, it was 36 weeks. I have at 36 weeks. Ultrasound showed Haley not. Was not growing. They were diagnosed with that. And before that they had already kind of known that and said they didn't know if Haley would be viable. Viable. And if she was, then it would affect me and they wanted to abort me.

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[B]

I think she had us a week later. So. Yeah, I'm not really sure on that. I just know they had like life flight on there because they're like. Because obviously I needed to go to a children's hospital at that point. So they had life flight and they had like 20 doctors in the room with my mom and I came out crying and they were like, she's healthy as can be.

[A]

I just am fascinated if they knew that there was a situation like that, why they wouldn't take you guys early. Right. Like, yeah, I've heard of, of twins being born as early as, you know, 30 weeks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So if they thought that one was going to pass away, why not?

[B]

I'm wondering if maybe the doctor wasn't as knowledgeable. They didn't know a lot, honestly.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Because yeah, my mom, she knows what she knows. But like, back then, like, I think her doctor was from Germany or something.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And so, like, they just didn't have a lot of research and it just happened so fast.

[A]

Honestly, I would imagine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I mean, I begged my doctor to wait 15 minutes for my twins because I liked the date better the next day. So I was like, just wait 15 minutes. And they were like, no, but they could have just taken y'. All.

[B]

We're, we're a minute apart. I was born at 9.31am and she was born at 9.32am Are you serious?

[A]

One minute. That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know how much you guys weighed?

[B]

I was a lot because I wasn't getting anything. So I was four pounds and six. And I was like. I was like, six. I think I was right under six. So, like, five. So I was significant.

[A]

Still. Still pretty big twins. I mean, mine were five and six pounds.

[B]

Yeah. I think that's what a lot of people don't know is, like, twins are small as it is. Like, very small. But yeah. Yeah, she was about a little over a pound more than me, which is

[A]

a huge difference, especially in twins. Yeah, that's crazy work. So growing up, did you guys ever compete with each other?

[B]

Oh, yes. Everything was a competition. Yes.

[A]

Just between you two, or between all five girls?

[B]

No, just between us. Just us.

[A]

And what would. Would one of you ever compete with the other and the other one didn't want anything to do with it?

[B]

No, it was. It was fair game. Yeah.

[A]

That's so fascinating. Yesterday, I had to separate my twins. I don't like to separate them. I don't know if they're gonna love that or hate that. But Valley hadn't. Has an ear infection, so to take her to the doctor and just getting in the car was. She starts crying, screaming, no, she wants mercy. Was that like. That was. Are you guys like that?

[B]

I cried a lot. Yeah, a lot. Like, if I wasn't with my mom or with her, I was not happy. Not happy? Yeah.

[A]

But you were fine with separation.

[B]

I feel like I was like, whatever she needed. Like, I was kind of her.

[A]

Everyone, security blanket.

[B]

I'm like, the mom. She is the oldest. So, like. And I keep her wild. Yeah. So, like, she keeps me sane or she keeps me wild. You keep me safe. Like, I really have a wild side. She's my wild side. So I think I would be okay with going. She would not ever stay away from my mom. Really bad anxiety. Like, heavily medicated. I could. But, like, when we would stay the night. So one time I was at a friend's or family member, and she had broken her arm, and she was with my mom.

[A]

Did you feel it when she broke her arm?

[B]

I didn't feel it, but I got some kind of weird feeling. And I did call my mom and be like, I don't know what's wrong. And my mom was like, well, Haley's on the way to the. We're going to the doctor to take her. So I. It's not like you feel your arm break. It's kind of more.

[A]

Right. Just like you just had it, like, a thing?

[B]

Yeah, my mom said I used to wake her. Like, if Harley was sick, I would go up there and be like, mom, Harley's not feeling good. And then, like, 15 minutes later, Harley would wake up sick. Yeah.

[A]

So that had happened a lot throughout your childhood, even into adulthood, or.

[B]

No, I would say, like, mostly in our childhood. I don't know. We talk a lot, so we always know what each other's doing. We have each other's location. You know, we have our phones now. We met and we. I. I probably heard, too, but we usually tell each other things before we even tell our husbands. Yeah, I think I told her I was pregnant before my husband. Maybe at the same time. I don't know.

[A]

Was it. So are you both married?

[B]

Married with kids?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or. I have two kids. She has one.

[A]

When you guys started dating before y' all got married, what was that like? Did you ever have, like, jealousy or anything? Because the other one was maybe spending their time somewhere else.

[B]

I think that was. We started dating in high school, so it's kind of the time where we needed. Yeah, we needed time away, and we were not interested in the same guys. Never the same guy.

[A]

You guys have different types.

[B]

Yes, I like douchebags, but not now. My husband now is like, a king. But I did love douchebags.

[A]

Yeah, same.

[B]

I've been with mine since I was 14, so.

[A]

Yeah, like a high school sweetheart. Middle school sweetheart, yes. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

So we definitely have. Yeah, it took her a while to. Yeah, my family hated me for a while. No, we didn't hate you. We just hated who you were with.

[A]

This is so fascinating to me because it's like, I don't. I feel like friends get jealous when their friends get boyfriends or girlfriends or whatever. And so you guys. Guys grew up together, inseparable, and now all of a sudden, you're spending time with other people, but you didn't get jealous at all?

[B]

No, we were like, yeah, in high school, we. We did not like each other at all. Like, we tried to stay away from each other. We had a couple of the same friends, but other than that, we were like, yeah, we always had the same friends. And it's like, if one got. We were always associated as the same. So if someone was mad at her, they were going to be mad at me. Like, I remember in high school, a friend got mad at her and blocked her, and she blocked me on everything, and I had nothing to do with it. It. So that. I think when that started happening, we were like, this is. We were just kind of over it for a little bit. So getting boyfriends and spending a little bit of time apart was kind of nice. I mean, so we still had to come home at night and. Yeah. Yeah. We were still in basketball and probably two or three other classes together. So it's like we. We did see each other, but we tried not to hang out with each other. Yeah.

[A]

What do you think is the most similar about you guys and what is the most different about, like, personality wise or habits or, you know, mannerisms?

[B]

I'm type A. I. I'm very organized. I, like, have to have a plan. I would say she's more like that now that she's a mom. I feel like once you become a mom, it is a little different. But. But yeah, I still don't shared a room, like, whatever. Half my nails painted. It's literally fine. When we shared a room, I'd be like, haley, clean your side up. And like, her side wasn't like, dirty dirty.

[A]

I'm very typ, so I'm not dirty, but I'm messy.

[B]

Like an organized mess.

[A]

Yes, I know, but I'm like an aspiring type A, you know, so I do make efforts. Like it's probably never gonna happen, but I try.

[B]

I think about it.

[A]

Yeah, but okay, so your type A, you're more type B. Yeah, definitely. What would you say is the most similar about you guys?

[B]

That's a hard one. I feel like that is a really hard one because I feel like the only thing we know is our differences because we are the same. Yeah. Does that make sense?

[A]

Yeah, Like, I guess in a way it makes sense. Like, I don't like, you recognize more the differences because you got. Or. Sorry.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

The differences because you guys are so similar.

[B]

Yes. And like the things that are similar, we feed off each other.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's like. I mean, our humor is similar, but is it? Oh, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. We love dark humor. We like, we be laughing. We'll be laughing at like, family events. My, like, all of our sisters will be there and we'll be laughing or arguing. We argue. We don't fight. We don't. I don't think we've ever fought since we graduated high school. Once we moved away from each other, we have not ever had a fight.

[A]

So when did move away from each other in 2017.

[B]

2017. Yeah, because she went to Mississippi because her husband military station there. Now we're in Kansas. So we're a little closer to.

[A]

So how far are you guys apart then?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Now Oklahoma and Kansas, three hours.

[B]

Yeah, a little. It's like 2 hours and 45 minutes. It's not much at all. Nothing at all.

[A]

How did you hand. So did you. Did he get stationed away from. Ok. You guys both grew up in Oklahoma and then at what point did you guys move with the military?

[B]

So he went. He went to his basic training in Texas and then we moved in 20, like June of 2018. And then I had my. And I was pregnant. I had my daughter in July of 2018. It was right after high school. And then. Yeah. And then we were in Mississippi until 2022 when I had my son. And then he got. He had to go overseas for a year, so we went back home.

[A]

So that was the first time you guys were separated for. How did you guys react to that?

[B]

That's whenever I realized I have really bad anxiety. Yeah. Like, for real.

[A]

So you did. Do your older siblings, your older sisters live in Oklahoma? So you had them?

[B]

We also. One of ours is also military. They've lived all over.

[A]

Okay, so. But you had at least two other siblings there. But it wasn't the same without harmony.

[B]

No. That's so fascinating. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You haven't really been home since.

[B]

I feel like. Yeah. I mean, when he left for a year, I went and lived in Oklahoma. We lived together in her house for like four months. And then I got an apartment and then we got orders after that year. So I was home for like a good year. And then he got orders because that's when he was in. Over in Korea overseas for a year. And then we got orders to here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I think that was really hard because we had lived. We started living with each other and that was like the best time. Oh my gosh. It was so fun. It was like. We called it the trap house. Me. Yeah. Because me and our husbands get along really well. It's really. We have like a really like last night when we were up at the hotel, like she was laying in bed with my husband. I was laying on the bed by her husband and she was on the bed, by the way. We just have like a really like chill relationship.

[A]

So when you moved in with them for a short time, like it wasn't anything for your husband because I feel like that's like a conversation that most people would be having with their partner. And it's like, do we really want my in laws to live with us? But he was fine with that.

[B]

I'm not considered an in law.

[A]

Because you're identical.

[B]

Yeah. So he kind of knew I mean, it wasn't like ideal. Our house isn't like big, but I made it work. It's something I wanted. So. Yeah.

[A]

Has it been challenging for your husbands to be married to identical twins because of the bond that you had, because of how you guys grew up together? Like, is that weird at all for them or hard?

[B]

I don't think so. I think my husband, he's just like, like I'll ask him something. I'm like, well, I have to call Harley and ask her. Yeah. And then like, so he just knows. Like if I ask him something, he's like, go ahead and call Harley and ask her. My husband's been around since we were 14. So you already knew him for. Yeah, forever. It's nothing for him. He knows, like, he knows that that's my person.

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And what about your parents? How do they like, is it weird? Do you think for them, like the bonds that they each have with you, do you have like a better relationship with one parent over the other? Do you guys have separate.

[B]

I'm a mama's girl. She is a mama's girl. But we have, have, I mean, we have really good relationships with both. Yeah. Our parents. Yeah, they've been married for a long, I don't know how long, 30 something years. Yeah. So yeah, I mean.

[A]

And what is the age difference between your older siblings and you guys?

[B]

Our first three are 18 months. Each of them are 18 months apart. And then our middle sister was born in 94. Right. 94 or 95. And then we were 99. So there was a bigger seven years between her and I. And then our oldest.

[A]

Were you guys a surprise?

[B]

Yes. Yes. So my mom had had been pregnant before and it. She had to have a dnc and then the boy too. With a boy. Yeah. And then she got pregnant and at 16 weeks they went to the doctor.

[A]

16 weeks. She didn't find out until they. You were 16 weeks pregnant that there was twins.

[B]

And when she went, they were like, oh, dad was like, watch it be twins. And my mom's like, haha, don't say that. And it was. And then the doctor was like, there's two in there. And she was like, that's not a funny joke. And then she did go to the bathroom and get sick because she was nervous. I have a little spew. I could read that she got sick.

[A]

Like she threw up.

[B]

Yeah. She was just like, I want to hug her.

[A]

Because also I had five kids when I found out I was having twins. So like the shock of that is. I understand.

[B]

Yeah. So she said I was 16 pregnant. 16 weeks pregnant. When I found out I was carrying twins, I didn't even know I was pregnant. I thought I had the flu. Nine months earlier, I experienced a late miscarriage. At 19 weeks, I had scar tissue and undergone a D and C. I had been told and fully believed that I could not get pregnant again. So when I found out I was pregnant, it was a shock. When I found out it was twins, it was very overwhelming because of my history. My doctor sent me immediately to the hospital for an ultrasound. While the technician was scanning, she asked why I was there. I told her I was high risk. She paused and said, oh, let me step out real quick. Then my husband or my dad joked that he could see two babies on the screen. And I told him to quit kidding. Then the technician came back with the doctor, and they were. They told me it was not a joke, that there were twins. I immediately threw my. Threw up. After I pulled myself together, I looked at the technician, said, I have three kids at home. What am I supposed to do? She said, I didn't do this. And we laughed because sometimes laughter is the only thing holding you upright. That was the beginning. Shortly after I began having labor issues. I was sent to a specialist and placed on on home health and bed rest. So it was pretty early on, actually, like 20 weeks that she was. That's when I learned my twins were momo twins. They shared a placenta, a sack, and a cord. They were rare, they were high risk, and I was told survival was uncertain.

[A]

Okay, so y' all did share a cord.

[B]

Yeah, I think it split at the very end. Like it was like all the way down, and then it was like a little. Why? I was told survival was uncertain. They called them 20 and twin B. The smaller one was Haley. The larger one was Haley or Harley. I was told Haley might not be viable and that if she did didn't survive, it could affect Harley. Every week felt like borrowed time. I was told I would not make it past 25 weeks. I did. Then I was told I would not make it to 30 weeks. I did. Then I was told I would not make it to 35 weeks. I did. From November until March, I lived between my bed, the hospital, and the doctor's office. I had six hospital stays. Home health visited me twice a week. I had to go to the doctor once a week, all while raising a kindergarten and little ones at home while my husband worked. We did not manage perfectly, but we managed at 36 weeks. Ultrasound showed Haley was not growing. They were diagnosed with twin to twin transfusion syndrome. My blood pressure was rising. A C section was scheduled. Both girls were born alive. The part I feared the most was not the surgery. It was the aftermath. Two babies needing me at the same time. No sleep, very little help. And it was hard. Their sleep was terrible. We were exhausted. There are moments I thought I might disappear under the weight of it all. Here's the truth I did not expect.

[A]

I'm about to cry.

[B]

Yeah, you might. These twins were unplanned. Pregnancy had always felt like something that happened to me, not something I chose. When I found out about the twins, it felt like just one more thing. I had to survive. But they were the babies I did not know I needed. They saved my life. Because of them, I finished my college degree. I went back and earned my master's. I built a career. I became more confident, more capable, and a better mother. They taught me that I was strong enough, that I could do hard things, that I was not behind, broken, or incapable. And here I. Here is the quiet irony. Having twins was easier than having three kids in three years. The pregnancy was harder. The beginning was harder. But I learned something important. You do not avoid hard. You choose your hard. Haley and Harley made me better. They grew me. They anchored me. They changed the trajectory of my life. And I believe this needed to be said out loud. We do not talk about the cost of twin motherhood. The exhaustion, the lack of support, the emotional toll, the strength it takes just to get through the day. We celebrate the miracle, but we forget the woman carrying it. I am thankful for my twins. I'm thankful for the hard road, and I'm thankful for the women I became walking to it. Yeah.

[A]

Didn't think I would cry about a twin story, but here we are. That's so true. Everything she said is so true. It's so freaking true. It's so worth it. And I. It changes us in. In ways that nothing else could, you know, and twins too, though, like. And not. That doesn't. That isn't shade to people that don't have twins because they can't help it. But, like, twins truly just. It's an even deeper experience in that. You know what I mean? So everything she said.

[B]

Do you.

[A]

Do you think that your older sisters ever, like, resent you guys for stuff like that, or do you think that they're just all. Everybody's thankful?

[B]

I think they're. I mean, I don't think there's resentment, but I do think that there was times where we probably needed. We were the priority.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Unfortunately, I mean, that would have been

[A]

true even if it was just one of you because you're the youngest.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So that makes it a little bit more challenging too.

[B]

But they also use me. Everyone used me. They're always mean. They're like, yeah, go ask mom this. Go. Yeah, because she's the baby. These mama's baby. Even though we're. We were born together. I'm like, older. He's three years older than me. And I. And I do have to.

[A]

You.

[B]

No, not all the time. A lot of times. No, not anymore. Not anymore.

[A]

I'm fighting on the podcast. Sorry.

[B]

This is what we say. Like, we don't fight. We're not gonna like, bust. We used to bust out fights, which I did, but. Yeah, not her. Yeah, she was. She was more insured.

[A]

You were?

[B]

Yeah. Well, kinda. No, I was. You can play it.

[A]

I know it hurts, but.

[B]

Yeah, just admit it. I just didn't take it forever, you know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she just would take it and it would piss me off because I'm like. I wanted her to fight me, you know, I'm just like. Okay.

[A]

Like, you guys say the same things exactly the same way.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Do you have boys or girls? Like, what are.

[B]

I'm a girl mom.

[A]

Girl mom. Which I feel like suits you if you like the pink thing and all of that.

[B]

Yeah, I have one girl who is seven. Okay. And then I have a four year old boy.

[A]

Okay, so you have two both.

[B]

Yeah. Boys are crazy. I don't know how you do it. Like, I fear for my life every day. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, he. They are crazy boys.

[A]

I understand.

[B]

All my sister's boys and I'm like, oh, oh, do they.

[A]

Your older sisters have kids too?

[B]

All of us had girls first and then we had boys. All of us. So My parents have 14 grandchildren. What?

[A]

And none of them are twins. But identical twins are not hereditary. Right. So.

[B]

And even though technically the mom is the one who carries the twins on my dad's side, our great grandma had twins and then it skipped my dad's dad and then my dad had twins. So it's always skipped a generation in our family.

[A]

Which is interesting though, because the identical is not genetic.

[B]

Yeah. It's weird. I don't think they had to. I think they were just. Yeah, they weren't identical. Cool. But, yeah. And my dad does have. On his side. They have twins, but my mom's side doesn't. That I know of. I don't.

[A]

Growing up, did you guys watch like Mary Kate and Ashley or Tia and Tamara?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And then did you guys watch Mary Kate and Ashley? Yeah. I think they're also fraternal too, but they also look just alike. I think, like.

[B]

Yeah, they look more like, weird. We don't think we look alike, but other people do. When we were in high school, I had dark hair and we looked okay.

[A]

Yeah, and you looked really similar.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like if I was a twin, I would also watch all. And then. Then Dylan and Cole Sprouse. They're twins. So did you guys just like, were you obsessed with other twins or just yourselves?

[B]

Do you remember the. They had the. On one of the Sweet Life of Zack and Cody.

[A]

Did you Guys ever go to one?

[B]

No, we didn't know they were a thing.

[A]

Would you go to one now? I feel like you should go. I'll bring my twins and you go. And then we just have a twin thing.

[B]

Yeah, that be would be cool to meet other twins. Cuz we really, I mean we had a, we had like one set of twins in our class, but they are boy and girl. They're fraternal.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I feel like it's not the same. It's not?

[A]

No.

[B]

So we've never really been around twins. She went to college with a set of twins that were, that were my friends. Are they identical or no? I don't know. They look a lot like, they look a lot alike. They're really pretty. But yeah, we haven't really been. They were always jealous of us because we were like because we're. I guess because we're momo twin. I think they're not identical, but they could be because they're. They used to fight over like, because we tricked them. We always trick people thinking like we can tell each other what each other's thinking. People think. People text each other like what we're thinking something and she can think it. So we would text real quick, go off that and they were, they got in a fizz fight one time. They're like, why can't you tell?

[A]

Are you serious?

[B]

Bro, bro, bro, we're kidding. We can't, it can't be like that.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

We were just texting each other what we were thinking.

[A]

Did you ever get sick of people asking you about being twins growing up? Or did you like it or did you not care?

[B]

I feel like it's just a repetitive question. Yeah, it's not really that they're asking. It's that. That we're billions, you know?

[A]

You're like, okay, yeah, now we're on a podcast talking.

[B]

And then it got to a point. This is cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is cool.

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In high school there would be a few people or they'd be talking about Haley but I, they would be talking to me and they'd think they were talking to Haley and I just go along.

[A]

I'm just gonna ask. Okay. We just ever just keep it going that yes.

[B]

Because I'm just like but what if

[A]

someone's talking about the other one and

[B]

you're Nobody talks no to us.

[A]

I would hope not. That would be so dumb.

[B]

Yeah, it would. And I would. Yeah.

[A]

No, it would. That's like you. You can't be dump. Just regular sisters. You can't talk to one sister to the other, but let alone twins. It's like, yeah, you'd be so.

[B]

To us. They just would talk to us. Like one time. This is crazy, but, like, my first boyfriend, his grandma was talking to me whenever. After we had broken up. And she was like, I just love you and Logan together. And I was like, logan's my husband. Asking whenever wa.

[A]

The same Logan.

[B]

Yeah. She thought that she was. She thought I was Harley. And so she.

[A]

Oh, my God. I thought you married her ex boyfriend. And I was about to be like, this got really weird.

[B]

No, no, we never had the same. No. And she was just like, when's the wedding? Obviously I knew when Harley's wedding was, so I was like, oh, it's this day.

[A]

You just went with it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause I'm like, bro, she's older.

[B]

Yeah, I'm just like, I'm not. I'm too tired to, like.

[A]

I'm too tired to correct my identity.

[B]

Like, literally. I'm just like, yep, it's this day. Can't wait to marry him. There was. There was one time in high school, so we're from a really small town, so everyone knows everybody. Okay. And we went to the only gas station in our town, and I went in there with my husband. And then she had went in there the next day with her then boyfriend. And the girl working the counter was talking to another parent, was like, I think this girl's dating. And she was like, good friends with Logan's family. She's like, I think she has, like two boyfriends. And someone was like, no, they're identical twins. And she was like, oh, my gosh, that makes me feel so much better. So she had thought I was going in there with two different guys back to back.

[A]

You're not that dumb.

[B]

I'm like, this is a small town. I would have gone to the town over to do that.

[A]

Exactly. Oh, my gosh. That's so funny. I mean, it's not funny, but I probably would just be like, yeah, I'm. I'm. Yeah, whoever you say I am is who I am today. I'm not arguing. Have your kids ever mixed you guys up?

[B]

No, but when they were babies, especially, actually Sadie, she would, like, they do a double take, but it's really weird. They just know. I mean, I think, yeah, they can. And Our kids have, like, we have. Not that our other nieces and nephews, we have really good relationships, but, like, our kids especially, like, it is a little bit different bond with our kids.

[A]

Like, really?

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, the second mom. She's like, the second mom. It's. It is a different bond. Like, she'd be getting on to them. I'm like, all right, you need to list your freaking mom or I'm coming in. You know, like, we're not playing this game. Like, when we're in public, like, if I'm out with her, like, she's in charge of my kids and I'm in

[A]

charge of her kid because they'll listen better to somebody else.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah. Mine. Mine also.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But even with you guys living in different states, like, you guys are still that much closer to each other's kids.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. We don't. We FaceTime all the time. We usually go an hour without talking now. Yeah.

[A]

Are you kidding? Does your husbands get annoyed? No, they just know. They knew what they were signing up for. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. They don't really have a choice, but they. They. Honestly, my husband has never even.

[A]

Because that's all he's known.

[B]

True.

[A]

Since 14. Like, there's no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My husband.

[B]

Because I met him at 22 or 23. One of the two. And it was weird for him at first. I mean, he was like. He's never been around twins.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So for him, it was a little weird. But now he's like, it's. My mom always says we have a different language, and we do. Like, we can just look at each other and know what we're thinking. Or, you know, we can judge people in our heads together or. And yeah, like, we can clock things, and we don't even have to clock it later. Like, we're just like. And we already know. We already know what the other's thinking.

[A]

Is that fun for you guys?

[B]

Oh, yes. Especially now in adulthood. Powerful. Or we'll just say one word and we'll know. Like that.

[A]

Like. So the makeup artist that I just had in Dallas on Monday, identical twin, and they got pregnant at the same time and had their babies one day apart.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

And she had said that she got the cis. The twin got stung by a bee, and then she, like, got, like, a red patch and was, like, itching on her arm. She wasn't the one that got stung. Did you guys ever experience anything like that? I know the broken arm situation, but

[B]

did you ever have a lot of the same scars? Which is weird. Yeah. Different Injuries, but a lot of the same scars. Like, we have one our. Do you have one on your chin? You can't see it anymore. I have one on my chin. We have one on our. Do you have the one on your wrist? Wrist, probably. And then we have like one on our leg that goes this way. It just kind of weird. It can be. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I was an accident prone child though. Like, she still is.

[A]

Maybe that's why you have anxiety.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, probably. I broke my arm four times. The same one? Yeah. Like, I did it first grade, second grade. Which sounds like a lie. I promise I'm not lying. First, second grade, third grade, and then I got to skip a year.

[A]

And then you're great.

[B]

I broke.

[A]

Yeah. A year off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's wild.

[B]

And I've never broken a bone,

[A]

but okay. I want to go back to the basketball thing and the coaches and playing basketball. Did you ever worry that the other one would be better than you? Did the coaches ever favor one over the other?

[B]

Oh, yeah. You think? Yeah. Really? Yeah, I think. Yeah. Maybe not in middle school when we had the same high school coach. Yeah, he favored her, but I was like, she was a little better than me, but I also, like, just did basketball. Like, that was my only. And he loved that. If you were just dedicated to that and I wasn't just dedicated.

[A]

You played softball too, and you didn't want to play softball?

[B]

I. I mean, no, I didn't. I wanted to play slow pitch whenever. Because they were thinking about getting slow pitch at our school just for like an offseason sport. But Harley told me no, so.

[A]

So, yeah, Mama said no. Harley told me no, actually.

[B]

She's like, no, it's my sport. Yeah, bro, I'm not going to be good. I just want to play. I just. I literally just wanted to wear a softball uniform.

[A]

Honestly?

[B]

Yeah. It was so cute.

[A]

What advice would you have for other identical twins to try to find their own identities?

[B]

I feel like it's okay to go your separate way. I know that sounds weird, but, like, I think it really helps. Necessary. Yeah.

[A]

I just don't want to separate my twins. And they're not even identical, but I. It hurts like, physical pain. When yesterday when Valley was crying, I almost took verse with us because I was like, I feel like it took

[B]

a long time for us. I do feel like when they're that little. And even into elementary, when we went to pre K, like, we had to be in the same. We dropped out of pre K. I dropped out of pre K. She dropped out.

[A]

Pre K? Dropout.

[B]

Yeah. And I did not. I needed my mama, and I needed her, but she was, like, fine with going to school, and I wasn't. So they told us because she didn't go. Then I was like, I'm not going. Yeah. So then we dropped out of pre K because it wasn't not dropout. They just. No less. So then we. We shared the same class from kindergarten till third grade. Third, Fourth grade. Yeah. I'm like, they got. Because we did fight. Yeah. Yeah. Like, she would piss. She would piss me off. I'd piss her off. So, like, they. I think they had to talk with my mom. They're like, it might be necessary to. To split classes the next year. And so we did. And we still, like, had recess. Yeah. I mean, we still saw each other, but I think when you're little or it. I would not ever separate. If I had twins, I wouldn't ever separate them. I would say definitely in high school, maybe not even separate. I think our biggest problem is we didn't have outside friends. Like, we all had the same group. And I think that's why when she moved away to college and I moved away, we had different friends. Yeah. We had our own own, like, life. And it's helped a lot. But, like, all of our friends, like, nobody knows me and doesn't know Haley. Like, okay. Yeah, everyone knows about Harley.

[A]

So even when you went to college and you moved away, like, your groups of friends still know the other one.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, interesting. But so. But what was that like, emotionally for you guys to be separated? Like, yeah, you needed the break. But what about, like, you had said earlier on, that she was almost like a security blanket for you?

[B]

Yeah, it was. I mean, it was kind of weird because I didn't realize that what. That's what it was. And then I kind of put the pieces together, and it's like, we've. Even before we were born, we never been apart. Like, never been apart. It was like, why do I feel this way? And then, like, I started going to the doctor and stuff, and they're like, I think it's anxiety.

[A]

Like, did they know your history of being an identical twin and not being separated? Did they attribute any of your anxieties to being separated?

[B]

No, they didn't, but I did, because I'm like that. Actually, my husband was the one who brought it up. Yeah. I was gonna say, I don't think you knew it at the time. I think in hindsight, she now knows that's what it was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he was like, you've never been apart from Harley and now you go, I mean, it was like 20, we're 18 or 19. Whenever we moved apart. And so then I was like, oh

[A]

my gosh, like, that has to be what it is.

[B]

Yes. Because that's when I started, like, really bad. And I was like, what the heck?

[A]

I feel like that would be super intense to just. You grow your whole life with not the same person, but somebody that is so similar to you. Do you guys think the same? Like, do you work through emotions and like, not traumas, but like work through hardships the same way or. Not really.

[B]

I would. She's more, I don't know, she likes to be by herself. Yeah. Whenever she's trying to work through something.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I mean, I'll check up on her. But me, I'm like, I need reassurance, like constantly. Like, if I'm not getting reassurance, the whole world's probably falling down.

[A]

Same.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Am I a triple?

[B]

Probably.

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[B]

I feel like now that we're adults, it's cool. Yeah. Like, I know that sounds so weird. Like, we're like, oh, we're like, we love to be twins, but when we were little, the hardest part was being a twin. Yeah.

[A]

Because of the independence. Like, you wanted to be independent.

[B]

Yeah. Like, we were always just the same person, like, associated as one.

[A]

Did you feel guilty for wanting to be independent or wanting to have separation as ever?

[B]

No. I think our mom constantly reminded us, like, when you grow up, you're going to be best friends. Like, yeah. No matter what. I know it doesn't seem like it now. And we always be like, no, we're not. We were fighting. Like, I know you guys are fighting, but you're going to be best friends. Promise us this. You're going to be best friends and be inseparable. And so she do be right.

[A]

Moms are always right.

[B]

They always are.

[A]

And so nobody struggles with the closeness. Closeness now, Right. No. Did your mom ever kind of help guide you guys with trying to find your own identities, or did she kind of like, when you guys were doing the same things?

[B]

I think she was when she kind of knew that we were getting to that point where she'd kind of be like, hey, why don't you go do this? Or, why don't you go off and do so. But she was also a twin mom, so she also was like, she wanted us to be together, but she dressed the same. But, yeah, she got to a point where she understood, like, we need to be our own person to grow.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's fair. I mean, I remember I grew up with identical trips triplets. They. We went to from kindergarten to fourth grade together. And they. The triplets, they wore identical outfits. They wore. They. The only separation between one of them had, I think, cerebral palsy. So she was in a different classroom. And then Kayla. And Kayla. I don't. And Carrie there. That was their names. They would be in separate classrooms, but they were dressed identical. Their hair was identical, they looked identical. Everything about them was identical.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

And then at that point, it's like, okay, you're dressed the same. You have the same birthday, the same face, the same friends, the same everything. But I think having their own individual classrooms kind of made it, like, gave them this space to be a little bit Independent. So, I mean, I can't imagine. But I also feel like that would be so unique. And nobody else could understand that bond and that, like, twin thing.

[B]

Yeah. No one. I don't think anyone. Like, unless you're a twin, you can even explain. Put it in words. It's weird. Weird.

[A]

Like, yeah, I guess I could see. I wonder if my kids know their twins. I always ask them every day. I'm like, do you know who your twin is? Because I'm so proud of it that I do know who your twin is. Mercy and Valley, she's over it, but she also protects him so fiercely. One of you guys, the protector in

[B]

different ways, I feel like I'm a. I'm very much of a fighter, so someone's gonna come up to her sideways. I'm like, all right, let's. I'm a protector of feelings. Like, I carry other people's feelings. And I. Like, I'm going to shield. Used to. I'm going to shield her. But she's more of a. Like. More like in a physical way. Yeah.

[A]

She's like, I'll put my hands on you.

[B]

Yeah, she's gonna. Yeah, people are gonna catch these hands. Or her mouth. One of the two.

[A]

Well, my mouth is reckless also, so I get it.

[B]

Yeah, you can't. I just can't stand dumb people.

[A]

When. When you guys found out that you. Do you have. You have kids the same age, or. No. No. So when either one of you found out you were pregnant with any of the pregnancies, did you ever think, okay, twins?

[B]

I did. When. When I was first pregnant, but I think it was because I was the first twin that got pregnant. Everyone was like, oh, what if it's twins? What if it's twins? What if it's twins? And I'm like, what if it's twins?

[A]

You really thought about it?

[B]

I really was like. And it was my first kid, and I was moving away from family, I was like, I cannot have twins. Me and my husband had orders to Germany at the time, so I was supposed to be moving. Those got canceled, and we. We went to Mississippi. But at that time, I thought I was moving overseas. And everyone's like, oh, you might have twins. I'm like, please stop saying that. When he had orders from school to Germany and I got a passport, we sold his truck. Because everyone's like, once you go to Germany, you don't want big vehicles or anything. And, like, two weeks before we're supposed to leave, they canceled them. And then we went to Mississippi.

[A]

So what'd you do with the truck? You just didn't have it anymore.

[B]

It was gone. But that's okay.

[A]

I mean, it would have been cool to live abroad though.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't want to at the time. I just want her to. Yeah.

[A]

So how often are you guys able to get together now since your three hours hours apart?

[B]

I've been home like I feel like once a month. I mean, like. Okay, yeah, it's. I mean, life, obviously, during the summer we go up to the lake and ride because we live right. So we were up there very like once, once every other week, every weekend. And my husband works 20 or 48 hour shifts, so a lot of times.

[A]

What does he do? He's a firefighter in the Air Force. That's a thing?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I actually didn't know that. Okay, that's kind of cool. Yeah, that's pretty.

[B]

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

[A]

But did you say y' all grew up on a dairy farm?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did y'. All. Yeah, we did. Did y' all do like y' all milk the cows and stuff?

[B]

We sure did.

[A]

Did you guys get up at the ass crack of dawn?

[B]

We sure did. Yeah. Yeah. My grandpa was the one that really did it that time. But we, we, we damn sure had to lead our cow because we showed cows too. We did the chores and he did the milking or we would help our dad.

[A]

But did your older siblings also grow up on this farm and like do all the farm things?

[B]

It was a. It's still going. Do.

[A]

Really? Do you still do farm stuff? Yeah, I, I'm going to have to call Matt and tell him, y'. All. We'll go there for farm chores next.

[B]

Yeah, tell them to hire us. I, I work on a dairy in Kansas now.

[A]

Do you really?

[B]

Yeah. Cuz I was looking for a job when we first got there and I needed a job and my dad knew these people, so that's what I do right now.

[A]

You work on a farm?

[B]

I milk like 130cows. Yeah.

[A]

Wait, so tell me about farm life, because I have a little fake farm. You know what I mean? Like.

[B]

No, yours is not fake.

[A]

I don't have any farm. I feel like in order for it to be farm, you need cows and horses.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, I mean, I don't have cows and horses. I would like to.

[B]

It kind of sucks. I mean, it sucked. It was a little. It was hard work. Hard work. And I mean my, my dad will tell anyone. Like, he might have. Girl, he might have had girls, all girls, but they worked harder than Any boy you could ever. And he would get like at shows they were. He would always get compliments on how hard we worked. So I do think it, it was our. It made it a good one worth ethic. I can't ethic. I mean that's all it teaches you, discipline.

[A]

You have to get up at the ass crack of dawn or whatever. So would you have to do farm chores before you got up to go to school?

[B]

Sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah. After. In high school we did. After my grandpa passed away, we didn't milk as much. So yeah, we did. We did have to do farm chores and the cows were always out. We had to get them put back in.

[A]

What all animals did you guys had on the farm?

[B]

We had cows, horses, pigs, sheep, land or he had a little Shetland pony. I wouldn't really consider it a horse. Maybe like a quarter of a horse.

[A]

Why did you get a pony and you didn't?

[B]

Well, I got a. I got a horse. Well, we got, we got. Okay. No, my dad went to buy because we were getting into rodeoing and so we went to buy.

[A]

Have you been barrel racing?

[B]

Yeah. Have you?

[A]

I should have brought them the big back shirts. Oh, yes, I'll send them to you. We.

[B]

So my dad went to pick up some horses that had. Were already like kid proof, you know. And so they had this Shetland pony and his name was Bullseye. And they were like, he. You can have him for free. And my dad's like, no, we don't want it. And then.

[A]

And you're like, yeah, I do.

[B]

Yeah, we do. And we got him. And he's outlived any animal, basically.

[A]

But you didn't want a pony.

[B]

They don't like him. Well, yeah, I, I had my own horse and she kind of just. I had, I had a big horse too.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Didn't just ride each other, but I did like. She kind of just fell with. Fell in love with this horse and we just kind of were like, okay, that's. That's her. It's her. Her baby though. He chose me.

[A]

He chose you? I used to be a horse whisperer. So I understand.

[B]

Yeah, he really did choose me. Okay.

[A]

I'll die on that hill.

[B]

But yeah, I did have a big horse that I rodeoed on.

[A]

Okay, but is rodeo the same as barrel racing?

[B]

It's. We did something. We did like ranch rodeo. Well, yeah, we did ranch rodeos. And then.

[A]

What the is that?

[B]

It's where you do like ranch stuff like put a cow in a pin and brand it or instead of like your barrel or Doing medicines.

[A]

So how long will you be here in Delaware? Now we leave. We leave right today to drive.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To Oklahoma. Yeah.

[B]

Because we're getting really bad storms, so.

[A]

Tornadoes. Yes. Okay, so what do y' all have, like, an underground bunker or.

[B]

We call them sellers.

[A]

Funny about that. I feel like that's, like, a regular question.

[B]

They call them sellers or shelters. Bunker is for, like, people who are the world's ending.

[A]

Oh. Are you guys not that.

[B]

No, this is, like, a lot, like, we're typical. I'm not. I'm a little scaredy cat when it comes tornadoes, but typical people are gonna stand outside and watch. Tornado.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Until it's, like, right there, like. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Did you guys do that before?

[B]

My dad did, but. Oh, yeah. Our dad used to be like, oh, don't be scared. Yeah. Meet your parents.

[A]

Yeah. What? That's so funny. I feel like we should just go tour the underground bunkers.

[B]

These are literally. You just crawl in it. It's enough to stand in there. You. Some the nicer ones you can sit in. Save your life, girl. Yeah. You're just getting in there, there. And you get in there, like, right when we call him Tea Daddy because it's Travis. He's our weatherman. Everyone stands by him. Yeah. We love him.

[A]

Tea Daddy.

[B]

Travis, he's our weatherman.

[A]

Do y' all know him personally?

[B]

We met him once. Yeah. He saves our life.

[A]

Kel, does he know that you're gonna be, like, shouting him out on this podcast? He's, like, speaking of him, like, he's a personal friend.

[B]

Yeah. Everyone in Oklahoma does. Oh, it's just, like, you kind of love that.

[A]

It's like the weatherman we trust.

[B]

Yeah. And Travis. Travis we trust. That's what we say.

[A]

And everyone in Oklahoma trusts Travis.

[B]

Yeah. Unless shout out to Travis. They want to watch, like, Fox, but then they're definitely getting ate up by a tornado, you know? Yeah. Not with Travis. Travis Myers, he's the best t. Daddy would never do that. And when he takes. He wears a suit. When he takes his coat off, it's real. When he starts unbuttoning and takes it off. Off. Because he's getting ready, you know, like, there's actually a tornado. Yeah.

[A]

I just feel like Oklahoma is a different world. Like, I feel like Oklahoma is its own country because it's not quite Texas. Right. But it's like. It's Oklahoma.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Who lives there?

[A]

Dorothy. Was that in Oklahoma?

[B]

Kansas. We're not in Kansas anymore. Didn't you have someone from Oklahoma call you from jail? Oh, Most positive that you kept getting spammed.

[A]

No, that was Missouri.

[B]

Missouri. Oh, her prison boyfriend. Yeah.

[A]

Lashawn. He's not back in prison now. He's in Missouri still. But. Okay, so let me move on. I'm so sorry.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What has motherhood taught you guys about your own upbringing? So you guys became moms, you were separated, you grew up together, obviously. But is there anything that growing up twins has. You maybe impacted your motherhood at all?

[B]

I. Like, no. I mean, I feel like twins are just different. Yeah. It's so weird because it's like, yeah, we have kids, but they're not Twitter with, you know.

[A]

True, true. But they are biologically. Like, they could be considered half siblings.

[B]

They have the same amount of DNA as a half sibling would.

[A]

Do you see any similarities in Yalls kids? Because you guys look so much alike? Like, do you ever think they look alike?

[B]

I feel like, yeah, especially because mine's younger right now. So I see her daughter when she was looking back at pictures that we're like, oh, they look similar, and they act pretty similar.

[A]

They have same, like, similar mannerisms and stuff.

[B]

Like, yeah, they're both sassy.

[A]

And you have you said seven and four. How old is yours?

[B]

Two.

[A]

Two. Okay, so a little bit younger. That makes sense. That's really cool. I mean, how many people could say, like, because truly, your kids could bring their aunt to school and be like, this is my mom, and no one would know.

[B]

No one would ever know. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I feel like you should do that.

[B]

We're the godparents of each other's kids. Yeah.

[A]

Wait, but did that make your older siblings feel a kind of way?

[B]

They just know, like, it doesn't bother them.

[A]

It's just second nature for them.

[B]

Exactly. Like, they know that it's different. Different for us. Like, yeah, just the bond, the way we. How much we talk. I mean, they've never voiced us, but I don't think they've ever found it. Like, they just know that it is different because they grew up with us, too. So there.

[A]

Do they look like you also?

[B]

No, I don't think.

[A]

Yeah, well, you guys also don't think. You look.

[B]

Actually, I get told I look like my middle sister.

[A]

Sean, are you all H names or just the two of you all have double E's?

[B]

So jc, Cassidy, Shawnee, Harley, Haley.

[A]

When you name children, especially when there's a lot of them, you have to think about when you're screaming at them at the top of your lungs.

[B]

Is it gonna flow?

[A]

Do they flow? You know what I Mean, so, like, you gotta be able to.

[B]

Yeah, we get it.

[A]

Has anyone ever, like, if you have gone to, like, doctor's appointments or anything or schools or, you know, teachers. Has anyone ever reacted in a crazy way to you guys being identical twins or seeing you guys in. In person?

[B]

No, but sometimes Walgreens be up our. Yeah. And Walgreens will get our medicines mixed.

[A]

Yeah. Wait, but is that not a HIPAA violation?

[B]

Yeah, it is. We have the same date of birth. We had the same address on there for a while.

[A]

Okay, but. So with y' all both being married, did you take your husband's last names? Was that hard for you guys to do?

[B]

It was. I was the last one. It was really hard for me. Still on Facebook, I still go by. Because my last name is Burns now, so I still go by Haley Smith Burns. Yeah, I, like, cried about it because I'm like, I felt. Also, my dad had no boys, so we were. So we were the last. Never didn't. None of it carried over. So.

[A]

And so it was, like, already kind of, like a catchy or sensitive topic. And then when you guys got married, you took on. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you ever consider not switching your last name so that you guys could have the same last names?

[B]

I didn't ever, like, at the time. I was also 19 when I got married.

[A]

Do your husbands ever wear identical outfits as well?

[B]

No, I wanted. I wanted them. I wanted to, when we came down here, get them that. You know, those. That trend. I wanted to do that, but our husbands are really close too, like.

[A]

Oh, they are. Did they know each other already?

[B]

No, it's just been. Since we've been married, but, like, they. We have to. We have to get on to them.

[A]

Yeah. Because I don't know, I feel like they should just play into it and they should just wear identical outfits as well. Like, you might as well.

[B]

We should have got them matching striped outfits.

[A]

Imagine. Or like, the Flamingo swimming trunks and button ups. I feel like that would be so funny. Do you have anything in mind that people misunderstand about twins or being identical?

[B]

Yeah. That we can just. I don't know. I feel like, yes, we can read each other's minds, but it's not like people think like. Like, we just kind of do that twin thing, and it's like, that's not how that works. It's more of an intuition. And it's certain things. We just kind of, like, know what each other's gonna think about something.

[A]

Okay. Okay. So like a more, like, opinion or, like, judgment. Okay. And Then is there anything that you guys are unlearning, you know, living separate lives with your hus and kids, like, unlearning that you always did as twins growing up that you kind of can't do now?

[B]

I would say when me and my husband first got together, and it's still like, I'd be like, go to town with me or come sit in the kitchen with. Yeah, I say that same thing. Like. Like very Codependency. Yeah. And I was gonna say that. Not. I mean, we're. We're obviously both married, but I. To me, it wasn't like. It was just like, oh, I want company. It's. It's nothing other than that. He's like, no, I can sit. I'm just right in the living room and you're right in the kitchen. Or like, going to. I don't want to go to town alone, so. Codependency. Very much so. I was gonna say that same thing. Like, I'm very. I do not like being by myself. I've been better now that the job. My husband works. He switched to nights. So I'm like, I have to be. But having a child is actually, I can take her everywhere and I'm not alone, so my child is not. Or children.

[A]

It's interesting too, to me, like, listening to that, that the codependency is not coming from, like, trauma or like, neglect or like, everyday, like, morbid thing. It's literally just from being a twin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Grew up. You have never been separated, really, so that's kind of cool. Like, you can have a codependency, and it wasn't developed from, like, an unhealthy situation.

[B]

Exactly. And we shared a crib for the longest time, and my mom would take us to like, a church nursery or whatever, and they would try and put us in separate cribs. And they called her, and they're like, their shoes crying and she's like, they have to be in the same crib. So for the longest time, even up until we were like, maybe 10, 10, we shared a bed because we just wanted to. We just. Yeah, we didn't have to. And that. That's weird to other people.

[A]

I don't think it's weird.

[B]

Like, we would shower together, but to us, it's like play mermaids together. You know,

[A]

looking back now at your childhood, was there ever a moment where you're like, okay, maybe that's when we should have been separated a little bit to. To not have that cod, like codependency

[B]

because it hit so hard in high school, it was just like all of a sudden we had. I don't want to say hatred. Yeah. We just didn't really like each other. Very, very bad tension. So I. Yeah, I think it's important to, like, give them their own outlet. Yeah.

[A]

Sooner than high school. Like middle school, maybe.

[B]

Yeah. Because I feel like middle school, we were still kind of good. I mean, like, if y' all would

[A]

have had different classrooms and.

[B]

Or even like a little. Little like she would have done some kind of like, extracurricular activity and I would just a little outlet for time away. And maybe ours is a little different because we did share a room. We did do. We were a lot together. And maybe that's not normal, but I do think that would have helped not have as much tension.

[A]

I think my. My kids, cousins that are momo twins, they started to feel like they wanted to do. One of them wanted to do her own thing. I want to say it was like fifth grade maybe. But then the other one didn't want to really separate in the same way.

[B]

Is like one. I just coached a pair of twins on our basketball team, and he. That he's like, one is ready to be like, away, but the other one isn't. So it. It would be hard to navigate. I mean, I feel like if one's ready and one's not, who do you. Who do you cater to?

[A]

Right. Would be challenge for sure.

[B]

And I. It's just I would. I was the one who is probably not ready. Case. I think it's a case by case thing.

[A]

Did you ever feel resentful to her because she wouldn't have been ready?

[B]

No, I never. I've never had. Got annoyed by me. Yeah, I got really hella annoyed. But I've never had any resentment about being a twin, about how much we were together. I just from hindsight know that because our tension was so bad in high school. Like, it. It's sad that we didn't. We like. Yeah, we did not talk to each other. So that part's sad. That's the only resentment I have, is that it got to that point.

[A]

But it was growing pains. Like, you don't know what you don't know. So had you known, obviously that, you know, if you would have done a little bit of space in middle school, maybe it wouldn't have been that way. But it was your first time being

[B]

twins, and it was my mom's first

[A]

time being a twin for sure. So, like, she couldn't have known.

[B]

And as a mom now, as we're moms now that's where I'm like, we're. Like, My mom did amazing. Like, you're. We're. You're all. It's your first time for everything. Yeah, everything's for the first time. And every kid changes you and changes your situation. So in hindsight and as a mom, I think that's kind of like, I really reflect back on how good a job my mom did and how I

[A]

can't imagine if it was any different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I love that, though. That's a good, like, perspective to have.

[B]

Your parents were together, too. So. So it's like, we weren't in a broken home. Right. We weren't separated. We weren't separated. So it's like, we don't really have, like, childhood trauma like that.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's like. And now that we are both moms, like she said, it's like, I 100 understand where our mom and dad are coming from. Like. Yeah.

[A]

I love that, though. That's a good thing. I've never seen adult twins together in the same room.

[B]

Really? They're not real.

[A]

No. But, like, could you. Have you ever seen, like, old lady twins? Because I don't think I have.

[B]

I haven't. That's true.

[A]

So, like, once you guys hit, like, 60, I feel like I need to get in the same room as you because I've never seen, like, adult twins.

[B]

That is true. Yeah. I haven't even say that. That's. I don't really see twins a lot either. We're gonna be in the same hospital bed when we die.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, you have to, like, literally. Yeah. I can't. Like, that's another thing. Like, I don't know.

[A]

Do you guys think about things the same way? Like, for, like, wants and wishes for, like, your families or. You talked about when you die, like, your funeral arrangement. Do you guys think the same way? Like, do you guys have the same ideas for what you. You would want?

[B]

We haven't really talked about that much. I just, like, we want to. We want to be able to have houses right next to each other. Like, we want to be able to build houses. Like, for sure. But, like, honestly, thinking about a life without Harley, I cannot do.

[A]

No, I couldn't imagine you would be able to think about that.

[B]

Like, obviously, my other sisters, too, I cannot imagine that. But, like, I don't know, Harley.

[A]

It's just, like, it's different.

[B]

So I, like, I cannot think about it physically. Mentally, I cannot, because I will, like, pass away too, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like a Lot of, I don't know, like twins. You're either really, really close or you're not. Not. It's not. There's really not an in between from what I. But I've never seen adult twins either. I mean, social media. Yeah.

[A]

I have adult twin cousins, but they're fraternal, so it's like, also not the same. I've seen them in the same room, but they're fraternal. It's not the same.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's so fascinating. Well, what, what do you hope that people learn from your story? Being a twin. And also maybe moms of twins, like, hope that sharing your story will help.

[B]

Will do. I hope that a people do realize that mom twins do go through a lot more. I mean, I'm not a mom twin, but seeing my mom, like, it did shape her into who she was. Not that her other kids didn't, but it gave her a different perspective on life. As far as. What I want people to know is that we are a package deal, but we're not the same person. Like, yeah, we are package deals. So we do come together, but we're not the same person. Yeah, I was gonna kind of say that. Just like, I think it's very important to, like, make sure they have their own outlet. That way they don't feel like being like. Because it just feels like our whole, our whole childhood, like, we were compared to the same person. Like, but we were different people.

[A]

Did you ever feel like people compared you?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

What did that do to you guys? Did you ever question, like, your own self worth?

[B]

I'm not going to say his name because he doesn't deserve it. He would like our. We were in sixth or seventh, maybe it was eighth grade science. And he would, like, be like, oh, she's the prettier twin and you're not. Yeah. Every day he would tell me that he was like, she's the pretty twin and you're not. You, you look like a boy and she doesn't. Yeah. So, like, that was the worst we've ever got.

[A]

Gotten it.

[B]

But people would compare us. Not like that he was the worst.

[A]

Do you think that your parents ever were worried that, like, okay, one is doing one and the other one's not.

[B]

I don't know much about the milestones. I have always been about 2 inches taller, maybe not quite 2 inches anymore, and about 10, 15 pounds. I would say Harley was probably ahead of me. Yeah, I, I, I mean, I know for a fact, like, words, like whenever we were trying to say words I don't know how I remember that, but like, I remember Harley could say it. So I really, really, really wanted to do it. I would say the word yellow but before her. And it pissed her practice all week trying to say Leo.

[A]

She was trying also, to be fair, you were kind of at a disadvantage because you were.

[B]

I did take all her food. You that and took everything.

[A]

So.

[B]

Yeah, so I would. I definitely think. I mean, like you said, like my mom expected. I mean, she had girls too, right?

[A]

And so she had only three other three older girls to not necessarily compare y' all to them. Them. But. But sort of because you're. You don't try to bar.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, you don't try to compare, but it's like, okay, well, I can notice these red flags because my three other girls did xyz, you know. Well, where can people find you? Can people. Are you on social media?

[B]

A little bit. I mean, we're not. We're not anyone, honestly. But yeah. My tick tock is Smith Haley underscore00.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Mine's a little easier. Mine is Harley Hunt. That's spelled H A R L E E. Okay. H A Y L E. Yeah, both E double E's.

[A]

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