Kale Lowry (1:36)

I don't. I think I've gotten a. When I had hair down to my waist, I had a Brazilian blowout. But I, since I chopped all my hair off, cannot tell you the last time I had like a keratin or Brazilian blowout.

Lindsey Chrisley (1:49)

People say that like keratin and Brazilian are somewhat the same but also different because I think one's a protein and like one's not or something. Was thinking about possibly chopping my hair off.

Kale Lowry (2:05)

I wouldn't blame you if you did it. Honestly. We're in the beginning of a new year. If you want to do that, now is the time.

Lindsey Chrisley (2:12)

Now is the time. I feel like there's just a lot that's been going on and when I wake up and I realize that it's hair washing day and I know how long it takes me to dry my hair, why not just chop it like half of it would be gone.

Kale Lowry (2:31)

I mean, it's not a bad idea. It'll grow.

Lindsey Chrisley (2:34)

Remember when we first. Wait, I don't think I had short hair when we first started coffee combos, did I? No, I chopped it, like, after it was like 2018, I feel like, like a year after.

Kale Lowry (2:48)

Yeah, okay.

Lindsey Chrisley (2:50)

Like, I chopped it off. But then also, no offense to anybody whose name's Karen, like, this really doesn't apply to you, but I don't want to look like a 36 year old short haircut girl.

Kale Lowry (3:03)

You know, I had my rebranding shoe and my children told me I looked old.

Lindsey Chrisley (3:10)

You think it's because your hair is short?

Kale Lowry (3:13)

Yeah.

Lindsey Chrisley (3:13)

So I'm not chopping it then. I haven't seen these photos.

Kale Lowry (3:17)

I'll show you.

Lindsey Chrisley (3:18)

Like, I need to see and I will be honest with you.

Kale Lowry (3:22)

Okay, I'm gonna send them to you right now.

Lindsey Chrisley (3:25)

I also had a dream the other night that I was driving with Jackson and this was the night. Do you ever do this, like, where you'll have a conversation with one of your kids and then you go to bed and so it must be on your mind so when you go to sleep, like, you dream about it?

Kale Lowry (3:38)

Yes.

Lindsey Chrisley (3:39)

Okay, so that's what happened to me. And I was dreaming that we were driving, and I have no idea where we were, but it, like, didn't look like any roads that were around here. And he was driving on the side of the road, like. Like the. The ledge of the side of the road. And I was like, please, please, please. And then I woke up, and immediately I said, you will not be getting a vehicle or a driver's license at 16 ever. I understand it's just a dream, but it's telling you.

Kale Lowry (4:10)

It's like your subconscious thoughts and desires come out in your dreams.

Lindsey Chrisley (4:16)

Yes. It's like it reminded me of those dreams where you dream that, like, your partner did something bad to you and then you wake up and you're mad at them for what you dreamed that they didn't do.

Kale Lowry (4:30)

I had a dream that Ike cheated on me at the college that we both went to. Walked in, and he was on a Tinder date. So that was a dream. And I woke up and I was just like, why would you do that to me?

Lindsey Chrisley (4:43)

Oh, wait. I've been meaning to ask you about Tinder. Okay, so when you go on Tick Tock, have you rent, like, run across the videos where people, they're like, videoing and they have a picture printed out of, like, the Tinder profile?

Kale Lowry (4:59)

Yes.

Lindsey Chrisley (5:00)

Like their partner. Yes.

Kale Lowry (5:01)

And Then it's like, it's an ad for that app.

Lindsey Chrisley (5:04)

Okay. Because I was trying to figure out, like, how is this happening to all these people?

Kale Lowry (5:10)

I also, it's not Tinder. It's Cheater Busters or something like that. And it's like a skit and then they do the skit to make you think that that's like something that they're really going through. But then it's actually an ad for Cheater Busters, like website or whatever.

Lindsey Chrisley (5:24)

Wait, what is Cheater Busters?

Kale Lowry (5:26)

I don't actually know. I've never looked at what it is. I've just seen the videos and I fall for it almost every single time. I'm like, oh, oh my God, this is so good. And then I. It's like Cheater Busters. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, I was invested, I have been.

Lindsey Chrisley (5:42)

Invested in these videos thinking that they've been real. I had no idea that they were an ad. So, like, yeah, full blown actors. Have you ever been on Facebook and gone on the Are you dating the same guy? Facebook group?

Kale Lowry (5:56)

Yeah, I'm in one.

Lindsey Chrisley (5:58)

Yeah, I'm in one too.

Kale Lowry (6:00)

But what's funny is somebody posted Ike in Are we dating the same guy? Like, Facebook page. And I'm thinking to myself, like, literally, he has lived in Delaware for X amount of months. And I know for I have his location. He's never gone back home during that time that I didn't know about. So, like, you literally, like, you did that just to piss somebody off.

Lindsey Chrisley (6:23)

Like, I, I feel like it was somebody did it that knows that you were in that group that you would see it.

Kale Lowry (6:30)

Yeah. And also maybe it's someone he used to mess with that was before my time and I do not give a single.

Lindsey Chrisley (6:36)

See, I would care.

Kale Lowry (6:37)

Wait, you care about who came before you?

Lindsey Chrisley (6:40)

Yeah.

Kale Lowry (6:40)

You do. I care in a way that's like, I'm nosy. Like, I wanna. We talked about this. Like, I want to know what sort of like, traditions you guys had or like, whatever. Like, did you guys yell at each other when you fought? Like, what was your work schedules? Like, when did you see each other? What kind of dates did you go on? Like, curiosity, but never in a way that like, would make me upset or mad. Like, I don't care who came before me and I in fact, don't even care who came three months before me. You know what I mean? Like, that's pretty soon before me. I don't give a fudge.

Lindsey Chrisley (7:07)

Well, I guess it's more of a situation. If you have good communication, I feel like in a relationship, and that person has communicated about things from their past, and you see, like, a pattern of events that have transpired with multiple people. My question at that point is why you ever dated any of those people and why you continued to create the same habits over and over again with just, like, a different body.

Kale Lowry (7:38)

What do you mean? Elaborate a little bit.

Lindsey Chrisley (7:40)

Okay, so it's like you have deal breakers in a relationship, right? Like, and you make pros and cons list. And let's say you're with somebody who has. Has been with multiple people before you, right? And there are common things about those people just through conversation, you know, like, you're just in your relationship and you're having conversation, and, like, stuff comes up, and it's like, wait, that same thing that you just described to me that you said about that person, you also said about the person that was before them and the person that was before them. So now I'm concerned. Is that a red flag in you? Like, it's a red flag in the people, Right? But also, you picked, like, your picker picked the same kind of situations with the same issues that you were dealing with that you claim that you don't want to deal with.

Kale Lowry (8:39)

I think a lot of people think that about me, that all my situations with all my baby dads are all so vastly different. Yes, I am the common denominator, but they're. The issues in each one were so different. But, like, for Ikes, for example, I don't. Not to put his business out there, but people will call him a cheater, and it's like, I don't give a. If he cheated on you five years ago. I don't care. Like, I used to be a cheater, too, and I don't cheat now. So what the difference does it make? I don't care.

Lindsey Chrisley (9:04)

So interesting that you say that because I get so caught up on it.

Kale Lowry (9:09)

Ike and I had a conversation in the beginning of our relationship where we. It was multiple conversations where we talked about who we cheated on and that we were, in fact, recovering cheaters. So for me, that was enough to understand that we're going into this without, one, holding that against each other and two, with the intention that we both don't want to cheat. So I'm familiar with his past, and I know who he's been with and who he cheated on and who he didn't cheat on and things like that. And he knows about mine. And so, like, for me, it was more just, like, clarity and Reassurance that both of us want the same thing moving forward. So I don't. I do not. I used to get hung up on it when I was. I don't want to say younger because I don't think my age had anything to do with it. I think it was just like life experience. Like, at this point, I'm about to be 34. I'm very aware that him and I used to cheat on our significant other or others at the time. And moving forward, I don't want that. And I don't. I don't know. I just don't look at things the same anymore.

Lindsey Chrisley (10:08)

I don't know. I feel like for me, I am truly like a girl's girl. And so if I have been with someone that has cheated on someone else, I'm like, why did you do that to them?

Kale Lowry (10:20)

Yeah, but I think the self awareness of, like, being able to talk about it. Ike and I both talked about that. Like, he told me everything that he did and I told him the things that I did. And it. We talked about why and I didn't have an explanation for why I cheated when I've cheated in the past. Right. And he sort of didn't either. And so just knowing that is like, we don't know why we did it. It was just something that we did.

Lindsey Chrisley (10:45)

Do you think that there was commonalities in all of those situations that resulted in the cheating or.

Kale Lowry (10:53)

No, I don't think. I think it was just our age, lack of maturity. Would you agree, babe? Yes. No. Just no, I don't think. I think it was like, commonality and me doing it and him doing it or him doing it multiple times?

Lindsey Chrisley (11:08)

No. Like in the various situations that like, y' all have been in and it like, resulted in cheating out of those situations. Were any of those situations similar that ended up resulting in the cheating, like, with each person? Does that make sense? Okay, let's say like me cheating on.

Kale Lowry (11:31)

Jordan with Joe and then me cheating on Dom or Malik. Neither of those are similar in any. Well, I would say, like, me cheating on Dom and me cheating on Malik. I did not take those relationships seriously. I did not. I loved the way they loved me, and I did not feel the same and basically was not. I was a very shitty person to them versus the Joe and Jordan thing. It was like I was 18 years old and I didn't want Joe, but I didn't want him to want somebody. I didn't want him to not want me either. Does that make sense? So it's like I'M a pretty thing. And then.

Lindsey Chrisley (12:09)

Like, with Joe, you were a pick. Me?

Kale Lowry (12:11)

Yeah, I would say so. But then with, like, Dom and Malik, I was just a shitty person. Like, I did it because I could. There was no other explanation outside of I knew they would stay whether I cheated or not.

Lindsey Chrisley (12:25)

Do you think that you would do it today?

Kale Lowry (12:27)

No. I don't want to be a cheater. I have no desire to cheat. I either want to be in a committed, loving relationship or I don't want to be in a relationship at all.

Lindsey Chrisley (12:36)

I do think that this is somewhat of a controversial topic because I feel like a lot of people are going to have a lot to say about it. I do think that people who have cheated in the past, if they find the right partner that is for them, they can be reformed.

Kale Lowry (12:49)

I agree. I don't, I don't necessarily believe that. Once a cheater, always a cheater. I don't believe that.

Lindsey Chrisley (12:55)

I think that situations are so unique in relationships that I don't think it's necessarily a fair thing to say. Do I think that there are some people that just like, habitually will do that because they only care about themselves? Yes. I, I also believe that to be true 1000%.

Kale Lowry (13:15)

I. But to say across the board, once a cheater, always a cheater. I don't believe that. I, I really don't. Now, in the past, I would have said, okay, in this specific relationship, if you cheated, there is a higher potentiality that you will cheat on me in the future. It might not be for 10 years, but I do think that the chances would be higher. I don't know that to be a fact, but that was just something that I have felt in the past. Like, for example, had I stayed with Elijah, it sounds good that he wouldn't cheat again, right? But I'll tell you, the same thing I told him was you might not cheat for the next 10 years, but in 10 years, you don't. You forget what we went through the first time you did it. And I found out in 10 years from now, it's the same way that people have babies and forget the pain that having the baby was, you know what I mean? Like labor, the delivery, all of the things you forget, you have another one, you're in this bliss, same thing for cheating on that, you know, that's how I used to see it, but now I, I don't know.

Lindsey Chrisley (14:11)

I, I, to that point, I think that's actually a great point because I think that if somebody has cheated on you and you get back with Them. The likelihood of them cheating on you again is higher than them being with someone else and not cheating.

Kale Lowry (14:28)

Yeah. And I. I still think that could be true. I do.

Lindsey Chrisley (14:33)

I had one relationship that the person was just a habitual cheater. Like, I don't know what was wrong with the person. Maybe some. Some life insecurities, some. I don't know what it was, but habitually cheated, tried to get me back. Stupid for me to go back, but went back and then did it again. I have also been with someone who cheated in the past but never cheated on me.

Kale Lowry (15:13)

I don't know. I just. But you. Your knowledge of them cheating in the past almost holds them accountable. Yeah, because you're aware they're aware you've talked about it. And it's like, hey, like, I. I've had this pattern in the past where I've done X, Y, and Z. And moving forward, I don't want to operate way. And like, for me, just somebody being comfortable enough to tell you, like, this is what I did in the past. I don't want to be that person anymore. That alone speaks volumes to me. And I do think that people who want to change can. But when you enter a relationship and you're being secretive about your past and your past relationships or you're not being forthcoming about why they ended, sets you up for more failure than success, in my opinion.

Lindsey Chrisley (15:55)

I would tend to agree. Okay, so we are going to talk about some kind of hot topics. Number one, stability is the new success. I agree with that more than anything that I have heard. Probably in one month.

Kale Lowry (16:15)

No, I agree with you. Stability across the board, stability in your home life, stability in your relationships, financial stability, having mental stability. Right. Going to therapy regularly or whatever that looks like for you. All of those things will lead to happiness and success. I. I wholeheartedly believe that if you.

Lindsey Chrisley (16:37)

Were gonna give someone advice on how to truly create stability across the board, like, whether it be in your home life, your relationship, your work, with your children, what would your advice be to someone on how they can get there?

Kale Lowry (16:57)

I think first, this is gonna sound so cliche and dumb, but, like, literally doing a brain dump, right? Like, whether that's like writing it down or typing it out. But it's like, where do you want yourself to be at the end of 2026, for example? It's like, do you have financial goals? Do you have. Do you want to eat at the table with your kids more often? Do you want to, you know, get a new job for a change of pace, like, whatever that is? It could be a thousand things. It can be two things. Right. Writing it down.

Lindsey Chrisley (17:27)

I will tell you stability is one of the hardest things to fight for because I do feel like just as human beings, it's hard. There's so much that's like thrown at us every single day. It's like we're bouncing from a work obligation to maybe a conference for your kids or a work obligation to practice to a game. Trying to do stuff for self, care for yourself. Like this morning, first thing I did was went to Pilates, came home, did some stuff around the house, have already done all of my laundry, got on my recordings. Jackson has a basketball game at 6pm it's really hard to balance all of those things and be fully present and what you need to be present for. And for this year, I want to be able to not have the distractions out. And I know it's. It's really hard, but not to have the distractions away from like what I am presently doing. So if I am presently recording coffee Convos or I'm on a trip to Delaware, my full focus needs to be on that. And that feels stable to me. What doesn't feel stable is the I'm. I'm recording and having a conversation with you, or I might be on the phone with you and I'm doing 12 other things, you know, like trying to. Trying to make. And we all have 24 hours in a day, right? So it's like how you choose, how you choose to use it. Like we have the same 24 hours. But I just want to be intentional about the time. And I think that that creates a form of stability.

Kale Lowry (19:13)

I would agree with you. I would agree with that.

Lindsey Chrisley (19:15)

It's really hard. I just feel like if you get to a place where. And for me, it's my faith, like, I know that God's got me right? So whatever's meant to be will be. I know you believe in like Buddha, right? Yeah, like manifesting stuff and all those things. I feel like you can find peace and stability while manifesting and slowing down.

Kale Lowry (19:48)

That's what I hope one day. I hope that I can do the same.

Lindsey Chrisley (19:52)

But the next question is, how has your definition of success changed over the years? And I feel like mine has just drastically changed.

Kale Lowry (20:02)

I feel like the success that we're all striving for, whether we want to admit it or not, is not in the financial aspect of making millions of dollars. Maybe it's success is being at peace and being content. And I do think that there's a difference between Being content and being complacent. Being complacent, you have no goals and aspirations, you're just complacent. No looking into what's next. Right. But content is, you're happy where you're at, you're content, you feel good about where you're at, you're not worried about the next move. You're not like, maybe you're comfortable financially, you're not making millions, but you're comfortable financially. You don't have any, you know, pressing issues. I feel like to me that's like success.

Lindsey Chrisley (20:52)

I feel like you and I both kind of exited reality TV close around the same time. So I think both of our view of success exiting that looks very different than what it looks like today, being years removed. The facade of reality TV in yours is way less of a facade because y' all were a docu series. So pretty much, I mean, yes. Were there edits and stuff like that that maybe you've disagreed with? I kind of feel like for a very, very long time and I still struggle with it so much of attempting to like live this life of perfection and that felt like success to me. Like if I can execute this and what feels like perfection to me, I was successful.

Kale Lowry (21:43)

I only, I would say this year realized that my success and the level of success does not ebb and flow with whether or not I'm on tv. I had thought before, like I have nothing without being on tv. I am nobody. I have no nothing to offer and so I have backbone. Yeah, I have struggled with that since I left in I 2026 will be four years since I left the reality TV and I just never. I, I will say to this day I'm proud of myself for leaving on my own terms. I'm proud of myself for leaving before the ratings dropped. Completely proud of myself for living through 13 years of reality TV where we were paid fucking pennies to the millions and millions and millions of dollars that Viacom and MTV made. But I for so long was like, like even now trying to find my identity outside of reality TV has been really challenging because I don't know, I'm not a content creator, I'm not an influencer. I'm literally just a girl who was on tv.

Lindsey Chrisley (22:52)

Success to me today I feel like would be very similar to success for people who are listening to this. Like, it's a small things, right? Being able to have a home cooked meal with your family at home, being able to get into a clean bed, being able to take your kids to do stuff that doesn't really cost that much like a petting zoo or putt putt or stuff like that. Watching movies, not having communication with a lot of people. I communicate with maybe four people. And that honestly feels like success to me.

Kale Lowry (23:32)

No, truly, like, the less people that I'm in contact with, the happier I am. And that's no shot at anyone in like, in particular. Like, truly, I don't mean it to hurt anyone's feelings, but the less people I talk to, the less drama there is. Literally, like Ike is in the background nodding his head and I literally cannot express that enough. Like the days that I, for example, on Sunday when the babies went to Elijah's house, it was just me, like three kids and they're all self sufficient. And so they were all doing an activity, whatever they were doing. I sat down, I read. I did not. I don't think I texted. I maybe texted two people that whole day. And it was just one of those things where it's like, okay, not, I can't. Nothing could have happened. Nobody did anything. There was no drama, There was no nothing. And so I felt so at peace. That felt like success to me. The other day we also. I had all seven of my children at the dinner table together. That felt like success to me. And so just. I don't know if it's the age. I don't know if it's realizing things are shifting. I don't know what it is.

Lindsey Chrisley (24:38)

I don't know. I think it, it's really stepping into your own. And I feel like I've watched you do that over the last year. I feel like it's been a very hard year. But I've watched the shift and I think that you think that you don't have peace, but there's sometimes that I see you and I will be having a bad day and I'm like, I wish I could do that. Like, I know you're just like reading your Kindle.

Kale Lowry (25:02)

Less is more.

Lindsey Chrisley (25:04)

Less is more.

Kale Lowry (25:06)

Less is so much more.

Lindsey Chrisley (25:09)

Okay, the next question is what used to feel exciting that now feels exhausting?

Kale Lowry (25:14)

Going out, going out, going out in any way, shape or form. Going outside of my house is not a fun time for me ever.

Lindsey Chrisley (25:23)

What used to feel exciting but now feels exhausting? Fake friendships.

Kale Lowry (25:32)

I think friendships in general.

Lindsey Chrisley (25:34)

I feel like I used to. Have you ever been, like, in friendships with people that you know, like, it's not genuine?

Kale Lowry (25:42)

Yep.

Lindsey Chrisley (25:43)

And like, they don't love you.

Kale Lowry (25:45)

Yeah.

Lindsey Chrisley (25:46)

But you still hang out with them.

Kale Lowry (25:48)

Yes. And I don't know why I have done that. And I'll be honest with you, I still do in so many ways. I want them to prove me wrong. Like, I want it to be like, okay, no, this is genuine. And, Kale, you were wrong for once. But I know in my heart of hearts what their intentions are. And I also, like, it's exhausting to continue to be friends with them. But, like, I have to learn the hard way. Why do you do it? Why have you done it?

Lindsey Chrisley (26:12)

I genuinely think it is to avoid conflict.

Kale Lowry (26:16)

Yeah. Literally to avoid conflict, because it's better to fake the friendship than for them to be a troll and hate your guts all over the Internet.

Lindsey Chrisley (26:25)

But then that's also conflict. You know what I mean? Like, I had this conversation with my therapist literally last sometime, either last December or January. It's been almost a year. And I was telling her, you know, like, I. I say in these friendships with these people, but it's not really friendships because it's more of, like, an acquaintance. But I kind of make them feel like they're my friend, but, like, I don't really view them as a friend. Why? And. And she's like, why. Why don't you remove yourself from that situation if that's how you feel? Remove yourself from that situation. Okay, yeah, but if I do that, I know the conflict that's going to come along with that. So I just don't do it. I'm avoiding it like the plague. But she made a good point, and she was like, well, by you staying in it, that's causing internal conflict with yourself.

Kale Lowry (27:19)

I have struggled with this for so long, and the only person that I really feel like I've been able to talk to about it is Kristen, because she knows who and she knows what. I have stayed friends with people because they are the type of people that if I remove myself and maybe I didn't do anything to them or anything super negative, but they will be the T page trolls that, like, say horrible things about me. They will become one of them. And to me, I didn't do you that dirty. I don't. I didn't do you dirty at all. And I don't think that this is ever going to make sense to people who are not in our position. I don't know for sure.

Lindsey Chrisley (28:06)

But, like, I feel like other people can relate because I feel like other people probably operate the same way, regardless of, like, what their job is. I mean, it could be with a colleague at work.

Kale Lowry (28:18)

I don't know. Babe, do you operate like that? No, I don't know other people that Operate like that, Lindsay. I really don't.

Lindsey Chrisley (28:28)

You operate the same as me, right?

Kale Lowry (28:30)

Yes. Like, I would rather keep a friendship that I know is not good for me than to deal with the conflict of the fallout. Because you've, you have, you've seen firsthand people that I fall out with. It's always me leaving them. But somehow they get to the Internet and people think, those friends dropped me. Every single time I have dropped somebody else, a relationship or a friendship, they all of a sudden I was this horrible person. I was never good to them. I, you know, they stopped being friends with me. So for me, it's like, just keep them around so I don't have to deal with the, the lies.

Lindsey Chrisley (29:04)

What I found to be the. The easiest way to eliminate that, to remain authentic within your own self is to slowly distance.

Kale Lowry (29:15)

Yes. I would say slowly distancing so that it's like a more growing apart than completely dropping them. Yeah, I think you completely drop them. They will go on the Internet and make up. They will spin it so that the narrative suits them.

Lindsey Chrisley (29:30)

Like, for example, I can. I can give you an example of someone that I have so much love for this person as a human being. I don't like a lot of, like, the life decisions, but, like, to the core, I know this person has a very good heart. And it just became a situation that I didn't feel like it was healthy for me to remain in that friendship because I no longer aligned with the things that these people do. And it was over a period of time. Right. Like, I was. When I was more aware of myself, I kind of started watching habits and things I was kind of like picking up on. And I'm like, you know what? That, that just like, no longer aligns with me. So I ran into this person the other day, and I was with David, and she sends a text and says, sorry I was such a wreck when I saw you yesterday. I've been in my. I've been in my feels. I didn't respond. Then I get a text that says, happy for. Happy for you that you and David are working things out. I sent a text back and said, thank you. Like, I'm not completely cutting you off. I'm always going to be nice whenever I see you in person. I genuinely love you as a human being. I don't align with your life choices and I, I don't condone them, frankly. But I can love you from a distance, and I'm just going to keep my space.

Kale Lowry (31:20)

Why is it that? Okay, so. But did you fall out with them at any point?

Lindsey Chrisley (31:26)

No, no. I just slowly kind of started distancing.

Kale Lowry (31:32)

Because I'm just wondering why people always feel the need to, like, go flip the script for me, but they don't do that. Not that I wish that on you. I don't wish that on you. But, like, I don't see it happen to other people.

Lindsey Chrisley (31:43)

I think it's because you love, like, so hard and you invite people in your life in such a different way. And I think it genuinely has to do with the fact that you didn't grow up with siblings and you don't really have family. I mean, like, yes, you have your sister and your niece and. But I think that just from my observation, from what I've seen, like, with your friends that are around home, people are always, like, in your house, and it's very family like. And so I think because of that, the fallouts are so much worse. My situations are never like that. Because, yes, I will go and hang out with whoever it is, but it kind of, like stops there and then I go home. Like, you're inviting these people into your home on a regular basis, that saying.

Kale Lowry (32:35)

Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. So are they my friends or are they my enemies? Because I think the only ones that can really hurt you are people that you've loved and lost.

Lindsey Chrisley (32:46)

Like, well, I don't genuinely loved all those people. At some point, I just like when.

Kale Lowry (32:51)

I think about you and, like, we have a friendship and we're business partners. Like, if we were to fall out and you and I have fought like siblings before, never once did I think about going to the Internet and talking about it.

Lindsey Chrisley (33:04)

Never would never do that. Probably cry for days, because I've done that.

Kale Lowry (33:11)

Well, someone said that to me. They were like, kale, why don't. When you fall out, why don't you just respond and talk about. And I'm like. Because the other thing is that a lot of the people that do it to me don't have a huge following, or it's my following that follows them. It doesn't hold the same weight. You guys can literally ruin my life and take away brand deals or ways for me to make money. Me going on the Internet and talking about them doesn't change their livelihood, doesn't change the income they bring in. Doesn't talk like, it's not the same.

Lindsey Chrisley (33:39)

Well, and then there's also a risk, like, anybody can talk and say pretty much whatever they want to about a public figure, but if a public figure was doing it to somebody who's not a public figure, the implications for us would be far greater than the implications on them.

Kale Lowry (33:53)

No doubt. No doubt.

Lindsey Chrisley (33:56)

Okay, the next one is, are you choosing consistency over chaos right now? And I feel like you're choosing both.

Kale Lowry (34:05)

I'm choosing both because chaos is my brand, unfortunately. That's just who I am, I think, at the big age of almost 34, I'm not. I am who I am. Right. But consistency in the chaos. Right. And being chaotic.

Lindsey Chrisley (34:21)

So both, I feel like consistency and. And definitely an attempt for peace but not afraid for the chaos. Right. Like, if it comes, it comes, and I'm going to be honest about it. Okay. Is stability something that you had to learn to appreciate?

Kale Lowry (34:39)

Yes. And I have talked to Dr. Drew, I've talked to my therapist, and the chaos in my life at times has been sort of like chasing the dragon. That that term that they use for people who have been on drugs is like, you're chasing that feeling from the first high. And so the highs and lows of my life always was. It's like all of the excitement, good or bad, because my body doesn't know the difference of something happening, and then, you know, the down and then the backup and then the, like, the excitement of all of that. And so when everything sort of just levels out, I'm like, wait, what's going on?

Lindsey Chrisley (35:17)

And what am I supposed to do?

Kale Lowry (35:18)

Yeah, like, I don't have anything to look forward to. I'm not anxiously checking my phone if there's drama on the Internet, like that. And so, like, now I. That's all I want. Is it just to be like this?

Lindsey Chrisley (35:30)

I feel like if you have been through highs and lows in your life, which most people have, at some point, you've been. You've had highs and you've had lows. Sometimes when the highs last, like, the. Sometimes when the lows last, like, really long, it's almost like a negative adrenaline. But then once you get, like, leveled back out, you don't know how to exist, like, on that level field because it's been so, so low for so long. It's like, okay, well, when's the next low coming? Because I operate actually better in that situation, and you have to do a lot of therapy to get out of that.

Kale Lowry (36:09)

Well, so then do we think chaotic and controversial Kale coming back is actually me chasing the high of being chaotic again?

Lindsey Chrisley (36:16)

No, I don't. I think that a lot of that is just truly who you are at your core. You're almost, like, in an identity crisis right now.

Kale Lowry (36:26)

I Am absolutely in an identity crisis.

Lindsey Chrisley (36:29)

I don't mean I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm just saying, like, it is an identity crisis because you are chaotic.

Kale Lowry (36:37)

Even when I take my meds, I'm chaotic.

Lindsey Chrisley (36:40)

I know, but I think it's just who you truly are to your core. Like, that is your being.

Kale Lowry (36:49)

I'll take it. This is who I am. You could take it or leave it.

Lindsey Chrisley (36:52)

And I think you're gonna have chaotic daughter as well.

Kale Lowry (36:59)

Valley is.

Lindsey Chrisley (37:01)

I think she is kale 2.0 brewing.

Kale Lowry (37:04)

She. But she's like, the. She's gonna be the more stable of us. You know what I mean? Because she was the traumatic childhood that made me so chaotic. She'll just be chaotic by choice and by having me as a mom. Right. Like, not the instability type of chaotic.

Lindsey Chrisley (37:22)

The way she will respond will be so different because you are giving her things that you never had and almost, like, somewhat vicariously, like, living through her little world.

Kale Lowry (37:32)

Wait, can I. Can we talk about the twins for a second? Because I want to ask other moms of twins for help. I took Verse to a pediatric ophthalmologist for his eyes, and it was a two hour drive there and a two hour drive back, and the appointment was just. It was like a small appointment. But anyways, it ended up being like, almost an entire, like, daytime day. That was the first and longest time that Valley and verse have ever been separated. I'm having a really. I'm gonna cry thinking about it. It's not emotional. I don't know why I'm upset. Other twin moms, how to separate their twins. Like, I'm so scared of them not having a twin bond and relationship if I separate them. So, like, when is a good time? Like, I don't know why this is so emotional for me. Like, I could not wait to get back from that appointment because I was together. Yeah. It was like, Verse has never been away from his twin for this long. And I was like. So Kirsten was in the. In the hospital at that time. It was like an hour from where we were. And so it's significant, like, about halfway closer to from, like, how far we are now. And so I was like, oh, I'm gonna try to come see you if I can. But by the end of the appointment, I was like, I just need to get the twins back together. Like, it was. Am I, like, putting my own trauma on them? Like, I don't know. All right, y', all, it's time for us to remind you guys again. About rocket Money. And we're here to tell you that saving money is the priority in 2026. Okay? And if you haven't heard us talk about rocket money before, it's a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. When I first started using rocket money and I logged in, it helped me cancel eight subscriptions right off the bat. I had two subscriptions with the same streaming service. And it was so frustrating because I had been double paying all of that time. And so as soon as we cut those off, I was able to start growing savings almost immediately. And it consolidates checking, savings, loans, and investments into one single d dashboard, giving users a clearer view of their financial picture, which is so, so nice.

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Kale Lowry (40:38)

They're still in the same room. And like the kids, last night when I was putting everybody to bed, we were talking about switching rooms again, because as siblings, I don't know. This is just what I'm experiencing right now. I obviously have no experience of my own, but, like, with there being as many boys as there is at different times in their lives, they're going to be closer to different brothers. So right now, while we're living in a house that doesn't necessarily suit us anymore, there has to be room sharing. And so we're going through, like, who's gonna share? And whatever. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, Rio and verse, you know, once they get to a certain age, they will probably share because they're the closest in age. And verse and valley are boy, girl. And I do believe that they should not share a room past a certain age. But right now, they're two and they share Valley's room still. And I'm like, I. Like, I just can't imagine a world where they're in. They're separated. Like, it just. And I think part of it is when the. When I did the first parent teacher conference for them, their teacher told me that, like, because Valley is so. We'll say strong willed and Verse is more Elijah and very quiet into himself, she said that Valley fiercely protects him. And ever since then, it's been in my head that I can't separate them. That, like, it's almost like, well, Verse can't stick up for himself, but I literally watch him stick up to Rio every single day.

Lindsey Chrisley (42:01)

But then I'm sure in your mind you're like, am I setting Verse back by having her be his protector his whole life too, you know?

Kale Lowry (42:10)

Yeah. And so I'm just, like, struggling with that. And I don't know. I need to. And I don't know if there's a difference too, for, like, same sex twins versus opposite. Like, Elijah's mom is a twin, an identical twin to a girl, obviously. His first cousins, identical twin boys, identical twin girls. Ike's brother and sister are twins. So, like, there's lots of twins. And then Taylor, my hairstylist in front, she's a twin to a boy. But it's like, I don't know, maybe I should just ask all the twins.

Lindsey Chrisley (42:43)

Yeah, I think you should definitely ask all the twins. And I bet you anything based off of, like, the boy girl situation will be different than, like, the girl girl and the boy boy.

Kale Lowry (42:54)

Babe, did Jules and Jasmine do everything together? No, I'm. No. Do you ever remember them sharing a room?

Lindsey Chrisley (43:07)

Never.

Kale Lowry (43:07)

It was all. She had her own room. And then you and Jules together. And they're not close, though. See, that makes they have that twin bond. Yeah, but other than that, I mean, they. He said that his twin brother and sister are not like. And I know too, because Jules told me they're not close, but, like, that's. That freaks me out. And then I have Taylor, who's a twin with a boy, and she. Her and her brother are like this.

Lindsey Chrisley (43:31)

That's so crazy. Do you think that they play with the same people at school? Or is the teacher already noticing, like, friend group differences?

Kale Lowry (43:42)

There's friend group differences.

Lindsey Chrisley (43:44)

Really?

Kale Lowry (43:44)

Yeah.

Lindsey Chrisley (43:46)

So what type of kids does she play with versus who he plays with?

Kale Lowry (43:50)

Verse is so much like Elijah in personality. I know. Verse doesn't look like anybody. It's so weird because, like, Valley and Rio are literally identical.

Lindsey Chrisley (43:59)

Yeah.

Kale Lowry (44:00)

Verse is Elijah's personality through and through. So very to himself. He'll play next to somebody, but he doesn't want to play with somebody.

Lindsey Chrisley (44:10)

Valley.

Kale Lowry (44:10)

Yeah, he'll, like, parallel play where, like, Valley is, like, in it and she's. But Valley's also. The teacher said she's like a little assistant. Like, that's the teacher's assistant. Like, she's a teacher's pet.

Lindsey Chrisley (44:21)

I could see that. I could see that.

Kale Lowry (44:24)

A mess.

Lindsey Chrisley (44:25)

I don't know. I. I would have such a hard time separating them, But I also feel like all of your kids are so close.

Kale Lowry (44:32)

Yeah. Oh, my God. When I. When my kids get so upset because sometimes we'll be at soccer or something, they'll be like, are the twins home? Do the twins go to bed? Are the babies asleep? Did they go to sleep yet? Oh, mom, why are they asleep already? I didn't get to see them, and they get so upset, and I'm like, honestly, I could get used to this. I'm not ready for when they're all of age to fight with each other and then there's seven of them fighting versus just two of them at a time. I'm not ready.

Lindsey Chrisley (44:56)

Two of your kids fight?

Kale Lowry (44:57)

Yeah. Lux and Creed fight every day.

Lindsey Chrisley (44:59)

Yeah.

Kale Lowry (45:00)

Oh, my God. They probably would beat each other up if I wasn't supervising.

Lindsey Chrisley (45:05)

Knock down, drag out. Okay, so next one is. Do you believe that privacy is a form of peace?

Kale Lowry (45:14)

Yes. The less people know, the better.

Lindsey Chrisley (45:18)

And it's really hard, though, with our jobs.

Kale Lowry (45:22)

Yes, it is so difficult because it's like, what's the secret versus what's private? And then what do you owe the public versus what you don't owe them? And you want to keep it private. Do you want it to be known? But private it. Okay. But if you give somebody an inch of your life now, they are full blown expecting all of your privacy and business to be put out there. So it's. For us, it's very different.

Lindsey Chrisley (45:44)

That's why when I got back with David, I let people know immediately I talked about it on the Southern Tea. Because I'm like, I am tired of seeing these comments of people being like, oh, well, she's not being transparent. When I finally said that I broke up with him, or I guess he and I mutually broke up, I don't really know what happened, but when I finally said that, it had already been, like, months whenever I said it. And so sometimes I think that people don't realize that we also are human beings, and, like, we need to process stuff before we talk about it. And it's not that we are trying to necessarily be private or secretive about it. It just might not be at the top of our mind to divulge to the general public. Yet. The next one is. Do you think social media creates pressure to explain yourself? And I feel like, yes, yes, it absolutely does. Is it social media or is it the way that we consume social media?

Kale Lowry (46:42)

Both. It's both. Because subconsciously or consciously, when you're consuming other people's content, you're, whether you want to admit it or not, you're thinking about the ways you relate to this person or don't relate to this person. So that creates pressure. Well, should it be this way or that way instead of what I'm already doing? And then for me, it's been, you know, I'll use Avery woods as an example. I think she became big on TikTok, right? Like, she wasn't big before that. She wasn't on tv. So I'm like, okay, well, I was on tv. I already had this following, why am I not moving to California and doing X, Y and Z? I don't want to move to California. It was just like an example, right? But looking at the way that certain creators create content or do this or have this and have that, it's like, how are they doing all of that? And I'm over here, like, how do I get that?

Lindsey Chrisley (47:31)

But I think it goes back to the conversation we were having about stability and giving all to one avenue, right? So when you're comparing yourself, because that's essentially what it is, like, it's a comparison game against someone else. And what you are minimizing about yourself is that you have all of these things going on. So you're giving a little to this and a little to that and a little to that. And then that person is just creating TikToks all day. So their entire world in regards to a business. But I mean, I would even go, I would venture out to say Tick Tockers, like, that's their life documenting, you know, not only for a job and a paycheck, but they're documenting everything that they're doing every single day. That's one avenue. So when you're seeing that and you're comparing yourself to that, you also have to take a step back and say, okay, well, I have three shows. I have seven kids. I am just. Just a girl that was on TV that likes to make tick tocks. So, like, that's another thing. You want to have a home life. You have a book club. You so so all of those things and you're comparing yourself to someone who's doing one of those things.

Kale Lowry (48:54)

And that's not discrediting men at all.

Lindsey Chrisley (48:56)

At all. I don't mean, I don't mean that that way.

Kale Lowry (48:59)

I have the same 24 hours, the same energy will say, and I have to spread it across all of these things where they have this. They have the same 24 hours and the same energy and it's going to their kids and creating content. Two things. True.

Lindsey Chrisley (49:15)

So I just think that sometimes it's easy to get in a comparison game being like, okay, well I have all of these things, but like, I also want that one. And you are minimizing what you're doing by comparing yourself to someone. And I'm not discrediting whoever you're comparing yourself to by saying, oh well, they're only doing the one thing. No, they're just putting all their eggs in that one basket.

Kale Lowry (49:37)

Right, right.

Lindsey Chrisley (49:38)

So I think that you have to get to a point where you're like, okay, if I want to put all my eggs in one basket, you can. And you would be doing that same thing. Okay. So I saw something on TikTok yesterday and it said if you had an opportunity to make $120,000 a year and you're fully remote or $240,000 a year and you go to the office every day, what are you choosing? The comments were wild. And it's based off of truly like people making the decision of the 120,000 and the stay at home job. They're choosing that to travel less because they don't, they don't want to commute to a job and probably to protect their piece to some degree, but they're cutting their income in half.

Kale Lowry (50:29)

More people chose the 120.

Lindsey Chrisley (50:31)

120.

Kale Lowry (50:32)

Interesting. I have always felt that I'm more fulfilled when I'm physically working somewhere else and I'm more stressed out when I work at home. However, in the last eight years, not including mtv, just including the podcasts I have had, I've been had the privilege to work outside of the home with the flexibility of working in home. So for me it would be the, the, the latter, the 240 for going to the, going to work because if it's fairly local, I'm going to choose that not because of the money, but because I feel like I operate better outside of the home.

Lindsey Chrisley (51:15)

So the girl in video said that most of the people she suspected that would choose the 120 working in the home, fully remote were likely Gen Zers.

Kale Lowry (51:27)

Oh, I believe that I actually. And did. You know, first of all, I want to expand on the fact that I think I'm a dad, I think I'm a provider. I think that I'm not nurturing the same way that like, like, I'm the provider. I'm the sole financial provider. I am all of. I'm the man. So I have lived in a masculine energy for my entire life. Survival, work, tv, relationships, all of the things. And so that's why I think that I just thrive better outside of the home. But second to that, you said Gen Z. Oh, I only have one Gen Z. I have. Elliot is Gen Z. And that very much. I could picture him having like a remote job and being totally fulfilled. The rest of my kids, Lincoln, Lux, Creed, Rio and the twins are all Gen Alpha.

Lindsey Chrisley (52:24)

I just wonder what that generation is going to become like as we grow up.

Kale Lowry (52:27)

You know, I'm fascinated because we see the difference, the stark contrast between boomers, millennial, millennials, and then millennials to Gen Z rights like those. But what the fuck is Gen Alpha going to look like? And I have six of them.

Lindsey Chrisley (52:44)

I'm scared for you.

Kale Lowry (52:45)

I want to know what the characteristics. And like the. Because like they say, Covid babies are all. They sort of have, like this sort of. And Creed is a Covid baby. Creed is one of my most challenging children. And. And it's a blessing and a curse because I think it could take him very far in life. And I also think it could go the opposite way if it wanted to. I would be very, very curious to see what Gen Alpha, what the plan is there.

Lindsey Chrisley (53:09)

Like, wait, what is Jackson?

Kale Lowry (53:12)

Jackson is Gen Alpha?

Lindsey Chrisley (53:13)

Oh, God. Well, that, that generation is unhinged.

Kale Lowry (53:19)

I just wonder what that's gonna look like. Because, like Gen Z, this, the difference between millennial and Gen Z is so funny to me because a lot of it is because they grew up in like tech world and having technology at their fingertips everywhere they go. Like, I watched a tick tock yesterday and it was two girls talking about, like, their school experience from middle school to high school and all of like, we had a cow cart where it was like computers on wheels or whatever. And the cl, it went from classroom to classroom. We went to a computer lab, we had to write notes, we had to write five paragraph essays by hand, like you weren't typing them. What does that look like for Gen Alpha?

Lindsey Chrisley (53:54)

I don't know, because I. Part of me, I love like some old school mentality, right? Like bringing cursive Back to the classroom handwriting papers, focusing on penmanship, like stuff like that I feel like is so important because if you look at, I could probably pull school papers from myself and I was meticulous when it came to penmanship. Like where my letters went. If it touched the top of the paper to the bottom of the, you know, line. If you saw some of Jackson's papers, it's because they are on technology 247 that they are not really required to WR.

Kale Lowry (54:39)

Not only that, it's not even just like the fact that they can't write, it's, it's that. But it's also their attention span is like we're creating a crisis of attention span being shortened to seconds and sometimes less than a minute. Right. Like that's terrifying to think about. And my kids recently did a tour at a private school and Lincoln, I was so impressed with Lincoln after just one shadow day and he got in the car and he's telling me what he learned and he looked at us and he said the difference in the education where I am and where I was like where he, where he is currently going versus where he could go. He noticed it in one shadow day.

Lindsey Chrisley (55:21)

That's crazy.

Kale Lowry (55:22)

And I was just like, that's like. Because they just. You have to put your phones in a box. You can't have, you don't have Chromebooks at your fingertips at that school where in the public. And I'm not saying one's better than the other, I'm just saying like the difference, it's, it's fascinating truly.

Lindsey Chrisley (55:38)

I do not and cannot and will not get behind doing test, multiple choice tests on a computer.

Kale Lowry (55:50)

I don't want to do any tests on a computer.

Lindsey Chrisley (55:53)

I don't think any test should be done on a computer but all tests.

Kale Lowry (55:59)

But like what is at this point, at this point for Gen Z, gen Alpha, gen Beta, what is the point of a test? Because they're going to be able to Google stuff on chat GPT, on their watches, on the computer. Like why do we need to. AI is taking over. So what is the purpose of them even taking a test if they don't have to memorize anything? They can use a computer and technology at all. They'll get a job one day and not need to know this information. They can just Google it.

Lindsey Chrisley (56:27)

Well that's some people's argument for saying that, you know, school just needs to be phased out because of AI. And I mean I disagree with that.

Kale Lowry (56:37)

On course but like I understand why they have gotten to that point. Yes. Like I Get. I get. The point is, like, what? Okay, let's educate. But why are we even having them take tests? Because at one point, y' all were saying we can't use calculators because we won't have them in the real world. And here we are, and we are beyond calculators at this point. We have cars driving themselves and, you know, AI all over the place and, you know, whatever. And there's a whole controversy on Book Talk right now with authors using AI to write their books.

Lindsey Chrisley (57:06)

Oh, really?

Kale Lowry (57:07)

Yes, it's this huge controversy because some authors are getting accused of using AI when they don't use AI but some authors are fully using AI to write their entire manuscripts. The reader community is like, we don't want to pay for AI and then some of the readers are like, well, we don't really give a if we don't know, we don't care. And then other authors are, like I said, getting accused when they didn't do it. And so it's like, there's no winning here. But, like, tests at this point, like, why are we even taking them?

Lindsey Chrisley (57:36)

But is it that kind of, like, like in the workplace, if you're not a good author, like, you should not be releasing these novels. Like, if anybody can do it and we're using AI to do it. Not everybody's meant to be an author. So I feel like it's taking away from the ones who are actually doing it and their crit credentials. Personally, if I was an author, I would be pissed off if I knew that somebody released a book and it was a bestseller and it was A.I.

Kale Lowry (58:05)

I, I, I think using A.I. as a tool and not as this complete solution, the end all be all, I think is one thing. It's sort of like college degrees today. It's like if everyone has them, they're not super useful and there's no real point. So it's, it's kind of a catch 22. It's like, it can be helpful in so many ways, but it's also horrible for the environment. It's terrible for our brain. Like, I just. But it makes life easier.

Lindsey Chrisley (58:30)

So it's like 6, 7, not 6, 7 this weekend. And I was like, could you not.

Kale Lowry (58:40)

Oh, that's Creed's favorite thing is 6, 7. Yesterday on of the football game, it was they at the bottom of. I don't know if it was ESPN or whatever it was, but at the bottom of the screen it was like this game score and this game score, and then it was a separate game on the TV. And it said the score was 6, 7. And then the next one on the bottom was 7 6. And so Creed was like 6, 7, 6, 7. And I'm like, oh my God, please.

Lindsey Chrisley (59:05)

But it is really cute, like the little ones that are doing it. But once you get past like a certain age and you're doing it, I'm like, can y' all just stop?

Kale Lowry (59:12)

Like, I don't want to hear Elliot say six, seven.

Lindsey Chrisley (59:15)

Yeah, like, please don't. And on that note, we have foul play.

Kale Lowry (59:18)

What up, kitty gang? Let me get straight to it. After being laid off and unemployed for a year, I finally landed a job on my first day. I showed up 30 minutes early. So I sat in the parking lot on my phone with my husband for about 15 minutes telling him I was excited but a little nervous and needed to fart.

Lindsey Chrisley (59:32)

We've all, we've all been excited, a little nervous, needed to fart.

Kale Lowry (59:36)

Well, I walk in and the receptionist calls my new manager to come down into the lobby. As I'm waiting, I decided to run to the restroom. I before I get my day started, I went into the stall and got ready to empty my bladder. I pulled up, I pulled down the undies and realized it definitely wasn't a fart. I literally sharded and didn't realize it. I panicked and didn't know what to do. So I pulled them off, grabbed a bunch of toilet seat covers, rolled the shitty panties in and threw them in the trash. I grabbed a bunch of paper towels, cleaned myself up, and went about my day commando. I immediately called my husband to tell him what happened. I was so embarrassed and wanted to walk out. But here I am, still here and nobody knows what happened. Hope you enjoyed the story.

Lindsey Chrisley (60:12)

Well, if you're like me, you would have just sharded your pants because I don't wear underwear. A shark is truly like one of the most diabolical things that I can think of in life.

Kale Lowry (60:22)

I can't say that I've ever started.

Lindsey Chrisley (60:23)

I've definitely started. Remember that time that I told you that I think I was like in kindergarten or first grade and I had like stomach bug and I started in my mom's backseat of her Honda.

Kale Lowry (60:33)

No, I don't remember that story. But like stomach bug sharding is not the same as just everyday sharding. I've never charted myself. I've either full blown myself or just farted. I've never sharded.

Lindsey Chrisley (60:44)

Wait, somebody text me the other day and was like I myself in the car and I so bad wanted to be like, that is my friend Kale. I did not want to tell your business like that.

Kale Lowry (60:56)

I tell my own business. Lindsay, if you ever need to call me the way that I called Becky to ask her about dis impacting herself and you're like, hey, can you tell us what to do if you shit yourself? Like, I will be honest.

Lindsey Chrisley (61:09)

Oh my God. All right, guys, that's all we have time for today. Thank you for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple Podcast app, follow and rate on Spotify, or listen wherever you get your pods. For our latest merch, visit CoffeeConvo's podcast.com to shop. Full video episodes are available on Kale's patreon@patreon.com Kale Lowry don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us in our community. We hope that you guys have a fantastic week and we'll talk to you soon.

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With movies like Joe dirt, pixels and 50 first dates.

Lindsey Chrisley (61:58)

This is awesome.

Kaitlyn Bristowe (61:59)

And TV shows like Survivor, SpongeBob SquarePants, the fairly odd Parents and Ghosts.

Lindsey Chrisley (62:05)

Pluto TV is always free.

Kale Lowry (62:07)

Huzzah.

Lindsey Chrisley (62:08)

Pluto TV stream.

Kale Lowry (62:10)

Now pay Never. You're welcome.

Kaitlyn Bristowe (62:15)

Is this thing on? I'm Kaitlyn Bristowe, host of off the Vine Podcast, where I get real, maybe a little too real sometimes with my friends and celeb guests from Bachelor Franchise and beyond. I'm talking guests like Jonathan Van Ness.

Kale Lowry (62:29)

Na na na na na na na na na na na na na.

Kaitlyn Bristowe (62:34)

Nikki Glaser, Wells Adams. Elise Myers.

Lindsey Chrisley (62:37)

Just like in this, like, business jacket.

Kale Lowry (62:40)

Like, I would love some tacos.

Kaitlyn Bristowe (62:43)

Heidi d', Amelio, Big Brother's Taylor Hale. I have to bring it up because it happened and we're going to get through it, what I do and so many more. So come hang out with us, hear ridiculous confessions and get a little vulnerable because you know what? We're all just floating on this weird little planet together. Follow, rate and review off the vine podcast wherever you listen to your podcasts.

Kale Lowry (63:08)

New Year, same extra value meals at McDonald's. Now get a savory sausage McMuffin with egg plus hash browns and a small coffee for just $5 for a limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher in Hawaii, Alaska and California. And for delivery.