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Today's red carpet moments are sponsored by Camarbre, a local Massachusetts fashion brand. For all your luxury fashion needs, check out these amazing shoes and check out camarbre.com welcome to Next on scene. The human behind the brand. I'm Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori award winning publicist, mom and media visionary. I believe visibility isn't just about being seen, it's about being of service. Each week we are going to uncover real stories behind success, the breakthroughs, the heartbreaks, and the moments that made you who you are. Because the truth is the more we allow ourselves to be human, the more powerful our impact becomes. This is where visibility meets legacy. This is next on Scene. Welcome to next on Scene where we go behind the highlight reel and meet the human behind the brand. Next is Jackie Leitner. She's a licensed clinician, entrepreneur, speaker and CEO of light work, therapy and recovery. Her work comes from lived experience, sobriety, losing her mom young and finding her way back to herself. She's known for creating spaces where a woman feels safe, supported and truly seen. Jackie Leitner, welcome to next on scene. I'm so excited to have you here.
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Jackie Leitner
Thank you. Couple of Jackie's. I'm so excited.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I mean, our teaser is gonna be so fun. People just can't wait.
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Jackie Leitner
You don't even know what's coming.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
We're focusing on that.
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Jackie Leitner
I know I'm gonna be teased as well. I love it.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
So for people who don't know you, can you give us a little introduction of basically how you fell into the world of light work, therapy and recovery?
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Jackie Leitner
Yes. Yeah. Well, yeah, falling in is a really good way to describe it. I think for me, I, you know, grew up, nice home, kind of had a good upbringing, wound up really feeling like I was using substances to cope quite a bit and, you know, got wound up through very various trials and tribulations. Wound up getting sober six years ago. And that really like changed the trajectory of my path. For me, I was already working in social work. I'm a social worker by trade, so I have my master's in social work. I worked at a few different social work jobs, like in the community. I worked with kids for a number of years and I did love that work. And what I found through that is I really enjoyed specifically working with the young women that came through our program. And like even some of our staff, we employed a lot of high school kids and college kids and I loved having those conversations with those young women. And so when the time came to kind of do something new and try something different, I went into private practice on my own. So I was just seeing clients one on one. I had a little, tiny little office that I honestly miss so much in Bedford and was just doing that for about a year and kind of got the itch to just expand and do more. I have like wildly unmanaged ADHD as you know, so like, I'm always looking for what's next and what's going to be the next thing and I can get, you know, bored kind of easily with business and, and things like that. So decided to expand into a multi clinician practice. That was my thought. I was going to hire a bunch of individual clinicians and kind of run this multi person practice. And my first hire was one of my really close friends, Molly Hoops, who's now the clinical director at Light Work. And it was just the two of us for a bit. And yeah, this, this opportunity to expand Light Work to what it is today, which is really offering this higher level of care for women came through both that clinical experience I was having with Molly in the practice where we were seeing women that were getting better and having good experiences, but we could only take them so far in individual work. Right. Like there were so many times where we'd be like, I wish we could get so and so together with so and so or, you know, it'd be great for this person to have like more of a connection and a community that's often missing when people are struggling is because they lack a sense of purpose or a real sense of community and connection. So we started to do these one off groups and those started to sell out super quickly. We were partnering with yoga studios, doing therapeutic hikes, just kind of these, like, pop up events that were group focused and kind of. We're doing a mini version of what we do at Light Work now, which is pretty intensive group therapy. And those sold out, like, super quick. People loved them. We were like, okay, there's a market for this. And then kind of in conjunction with that, through my sobriety, I'd have obviously made lots of amazing connections with folks that are also sober and kind of in the industry and in business and in the business world. And a big portion of the sober community winds up going to work in the sober community. Like, that experience changes you quite a bit. So a lot of the people that I knew were kind of working in this field already. So through kind of mutual contacts and connections that I had through that experience, combined with this connection or this experience I was having with Molly, clinically, kind of like the two together, and we're like, let's get this off the ground. You know, I have a follow up.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
To that too, because I know winter, as we had discussed, is a very big time for people that are struggling. Like, what advice do you have for people that are currently, like, considering help?
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Jackie Leitner
Yeah, well, get it. You know, I think there's no time like the present, no matter what time of year it is. But, yeah, the winter is tough, especially up here. If you're in the Northeast, like watching up here in Boston, it is. It's brutal. There's no sun. We are glorified plants. We are. We are. And especially, like around New Year's, right, Like, January is this big month where everyone's like, I'm gonna reinvent myself. And it's like, with what energy? Like, you know, we're meant to, like, recharge and rest and reset here. And so I think, like, getting help for your mental health is no time like the present right now. Because it's not about, like, reinventing yourself and going to the gym five days a week and going on a diet and doing this and doing that. Like, why not kind of flip the script on the whole winter blues New Year's resolution thing and, like, really turn inward and reset and recharge by getting yourself the help that you need, you know, to really, like, seek out that support. Especially at a place like light work. Light, like light work.
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Jackie Leitner
Today@Ridwell.Com there's such a community and a connection that people can thrive in and you can be like supported by other people, you know, versus having to carry that all yourself.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I love that and I think also too like family dynamics trigger things, societal pressure, holidays.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
So like thank you for sharing that. So can we talk? I want to talk more about Jackie. So can we talk about a day in the life of Jackie? Like what do you actually do in a day?
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Jackie Leitner
Depends on the day, Jack. Yeah, work mostly.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
But let's be specific. Like you wake up when you get your coffee. We have your coffee here today. What are we doing?
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Jackie Leitner
I wake up, I go pee because I'm eight months pregnant and you look amazing. I'm dying right away. So that's number one. Then kind of making my breakfast, getting myself ready throughout the day, trying not to jump right on email and check email and stuff. But I often do. I think zeroing out my inbox before I even get to work is something that winds up happening for me because get ready for the day. Yeah, get my coffee. I usually make my coffee at home, but I treated myself today. I love that. And then it depends where I'm going. Sometimes I'm going to the Braintree office. We have two locations at Light Work, so we've got a Wubern office and a Braintree office. I'm depending where I'm going, I'll go to one of those or I'll work from home. I kind of, you know, do do all three and then really just dive in. It's like meetings. I got one on ones with my managers that work at lightwork contact meetings and really just kind of like working the old 9 to 5 gig, you know, and doing, doing those types of things. And then after work is especially these days, I'm chilling. You know, I go to the gym. I go to the gym like two, maybe three times a week. I have an awesome prenatal personal trainer. So she's very good to me and like knows my body and knows what to do, you know, for, for pregnancy and all that. And that's if that happens, great. If not, we're not worried. We're not worried about it.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
The attitude.
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Jackie Leitner
Yeah. And then really just chilling. Nice long shower, try to reset, shut the laptop off, you know, like put it away and try to kind of get into home mode a little bit. And we're kind of, you know, my husband and I are pretty standard. We're Netflix and chill, eat some dinner and just hang out.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Yeah, that's sometimes the best way to be though.
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Jackie Leitner
Read, journal and read before bed. That's like my big nighttime thing.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I love that. Like goals or.
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Jackie Leitner
No, not. I mean, I'll do that sometimes I'm kind of a woo woo. Astrology girly. So like depending on if there's like a moon situation going on or we've got like some sort of planetary happening, like I might do some goal manifestation work. But typically when I'm journaling, it's like venting to myself or just jotting things down or just kind of like reviewing the day and just writing about how I feel. Honestly, like I'm, I hold a lot. So journaling and getting that out is like super helpful for me, especially to help me kind of like unwind before bed so that my mind doesn't like spin into outer space, you know, all evening.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Yeah, makes sense. I want to also talk about like, you're so known for your leadership and building community and I feel like your like tribe that you have in your businesses are so awesome. Like, what goes into building a successful team?
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Jackie Leitner
That's a good question. I think a lot of it is, first of all, like, I'm a big systems person, so I think understanding what, what your business needs, what the needs of the business are. Right. And then from there I kind of lead from a very employees first perspective where, you know, of course you're going to balance your bottom line, you're going to balance your customer base or your client base kind of depending on what field you're in. But really like, I'm a firm believer and if you take good care of your team and hire the right folks into your team that's going to carry your product in your business or whatever it is that you're putting out there, offering or selling, because if you're, if your employees are bought in and feel appreciated, well compensated, you know, protected, like you have their back, you give them honest and clear feedback regularly. So it's not like this guessing game of what I'm supposed to be doing. It shows, you know, then they can show up to work feeling more fulfilled. It Shows to the clients. Clients have a good experience. If your employees are having a good experience, typically. And that all helps your bottom line. Right. So true systems. And I think hiring are super important. And hiring is. It's a tough thing. I think sometimes that some people, I go a lot of it on, feel like I'm definitely a big proponent of if folks have a good attitude, like a. They are bought in, they have a great attitude, they want to work hard. Like, they're not afraid to kind of roll their sleeves up. Especially if you're in a startup or any of these types of companies where, like, things are going to change, it's going to move quick, you're going to be busy. Like, there's going to be probably a higher workload than there might be if you worked at, like, some huge, big corporate company where they kind of have it all figured out. So I kind of look for that first and skills second. I think you can teach skill in that regard and really like that attitude and positivity and that. That vibe is really important first and foremost when you're building a team.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Yeah, Makes sense. I want to talk about what you're wearing today.
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Jackie Leitner
Yeah, sure. I do.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I think it's adorable. And I think color. So I talk about with people all the time how color reflects how we show up in the world.
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Jackie Leitner
Yeah.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
And it's so funny. So many of my guests wear black, and I think because it feels like authority. So black definition is, like, mysterious but boss. And I'm like. The white is very, like, elegant light, you know? So I think that that really speaks to you. Like, I think there's. I think you're a pretty open book. But I do think there's sides that people don't know.
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Jackie Leitner
Totally.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
You know, So I just.
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Jackie Leitner
I love that.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
And I love the white shoes. They're so pretty.
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Jackie Leitner
Thank you.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I think it's a great monochromatic bomb look. I just want to tell you.
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Jackie Leitner
Thank you. Yeah. We're having, like, an 80s shoe moment.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I love it.
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Jackie Leitner
We're going to bring back white pumps.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Love it.
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Jackie Leitner
Yeah.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
And I also, like, just want to commend you before we go to time, really quick. Like, you have such an inspiring background with the life that you've had and, like, what you're doing with it to help so many other people, like, with what your mom went through with you and, like, now with your sobriety, like, what advice do you have for people, you know, that kind of feel like they're at their rock bottom or they kind of need, like, some, like, what did you do for help that really like changed your life?
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Jackie Leitner
Well, to kind of like the two parter to that advice that I would give is like, if you're at rock bottom and you're feeling, feeling like the world is crumbling around you, that's usually a really good indication that things are about to change drastically for the better for you. I can say from my own experience, and I'm sure many of us have had these experiences where the worst moments in my life have typically been followed up. Maybe not right away, but like, have typically been followed up by amazing, beautiful moments, you know, that have really catapulted me into like this next sphere of life. Right. So like that was certainly true with sobriety. That's certainly been true even with just like work stress or things that I'm feeling like super stressed out about or I'm like, I'm at my breaking point, I can't take this. And all of a sudden like an opportunity will come up that you're like, oh, this is why all that was happening, so I could have this moment.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
You know, I love that advice.
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Jackie Leitner
Same with loss. I think sometimes that happens too, where, you know, being able to let go of stuff that's, that's like burdening you or holding you down, I think can be really open you up for new opportunities and like fresh perspectives. Yeah. And then in terms of like help that I got, I think it's about people. Like, people helped me. You know, I had an amazing former boss and mentor who really helped me get sober. I've had like wonderful women that I've met in my life that have helped me, you know, be able to like in business learn how to connecting with other founders and those types of things that, that resonate more with what you're specifically going through. So I think like not isolating and knowing it's okay to reach out for help to the right people, the people that are actually going to be supportive and maybe have some experience dealing with what you're dealing with.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
It's like, it's intuitive. Like you kind of just know who the right person is.
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Jackie Leitner
Totally.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Yeah. Because I think people go through a vetting process, I think. Right.
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Jackie Leitner
Yeah. And like that's the same with therapists. You know, like we say this to clients a lot where it's like, you, you're, you're, you go. Some people will go to therapy, right. And they, it's not a good fit. And then they're like, well, therapy didn't work for me. It's like, no, that therapist just didn't work for you. It's the same with, like, your friends. Like, you don't get along with everyone. You don't like everybody. You like your friends. You know, you pick people to hang out with. And therapists are the same way. Doctors, it's all the same, you know, so sometimes you gotta. You gotta kiss a few frogs first.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I love that. Great advice. Okay, I wanna play a quick game time.
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Jackie Leitner
Okay.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
You're so inspiring. Thank you for all the nuggets today. Okay, ready? So we're gonna do. I call it rapid fire.
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Jackie Leitner
Okay.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Okay.
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Jackie Leitner
Yes.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
So you kind of answered this already, but it's okay. Journaling or talking it out?
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Jackie Leitner
Journaling.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Therapy or coaching therapy? Morning routine or flexible flow?
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Jackie Leitner
Flexible flow.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Structure. Intuition, Intuition. Silence. Or music?
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Jackie Leitner
Music.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Okay, so now that we're on this topic.
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Jackie Leitner
Yes.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I'm doing a red carpet playlist. What is the song for the season of life you're in right now?
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Jackie Leitner
Oh, my God, Yes.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Pressure's on.
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Jackie Leitner
Holy crap tarts. Jackie. Yeah. Okay. The season of life that I'm in right now.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Yes.
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Jackie Leitner
Okay. Okay, I'm gonna. Okay. There's a song called Love Yours by J. Cole.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Okay.
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Jackie Leitner
Okay. I think that's a good. That's a good season of life. It's like, about, like appreciating where you're at. Even if, like your success is skyrocketing and then you feel like you have some, you know, negativity that comes with that. Like sometimes when you change, people don't always, like, vibe with that. So. But like still being grateful.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I love that.
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Jackie Leitner
Yeah.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Perfect. Okay. Accountability or compassion?
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Jackie Leitner
Compassion.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
One on one sessions or group work?
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Jackie Leitner
Group love.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
That figured. And deep conversations or light laughter?
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Jackie Leitner
Deep conversations.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
So good. So good. I'm with you there.
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Jackie Leitner
Yeah.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
You are amazing. Thank you so much for joining us today. How can people follow you? Get in touch, all the things.
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Jackie Leitner
Yes. Okay. Well, me personally, I have my website, jackielightner.com and that's probably the best place to go. It has all the links to everything on there. We have the link to the Lightwork website, which is lightworktr.com if you're looking specifically more into the therapy piece on Instagram, I'm underscore Jackie Leitner.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
Yes, she is. Yes.
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Jackie Leitner
I really wish there was no underscore, but what are you gonna do? And then Lightwork is lightwork therapy. It's the same on TikTok for both of those.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
I love it. And you can book Jackie for her speaking and all that.
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Jackie Leitner
You sure can. All that on my website. Speaking, podcast appearances, conferences.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
You want her?
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Jackie Leitner
I got you.
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Jacqueline Zuckerman Delori
She does. Thank you so much for tuning in to Next on Scene. And stay tuned for who's Next on Scene. Today's red carpet moments are sponsored by Kamar, a local Massachusetts fashion brand. For all your luxury fashion needs, check out these amazing shoes and check out camarbre.com I'm here to give you your red carpet moment. So follow us on all our podcast channels on any stream from iheartradio Spotify. If you just type in Nexon Scene, the human behind the brand. Or you can also follow us on all our social media channels at Next on Scene. Can't for you to come on this journey with us. Your say is very impactful as an audience member. So come along for the ride and we are going to all evolve together and we can't wait for you to see who's next on scene.
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