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Behind the Bastards Live Show: The Ballad of Bo Gritz (Part One)

Podcast: Behind the Bastards
Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Cool Zone Media/iHeartPodcasts
Host: Nick (Robert Evans), Producer: Sophie Lichterman, Guest: Jason Petty aka Prop

Episode Overview

This live episode of Behind the Bastards dives into the wild, unsettling, and conspiratorial life of Bo Gritz—infamous Green Beret, right-wing icon, and the man who claimed to be the real-life Rambo. Broadcast from Portland to support the Portland Defense Fund, the show dissects Gritz’s journey from a military hero to a myth-making, self-serving figure in America's fringe movements. The episode unpacks Gritz’s actual military exploits, his habitual self-mythologizing and frequent lies, and how he became a catalyst for the enduring POW/MIA conspiracy theory that continues to shape American culture.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Set-Up: Who Is Bo Gritz?

Nick recounts his first exposure to Bo Gritz through Louis Theroux’s Weird Weekends episode on survivalists.
- [08:00–08:51]
- “This was probably my first journalistic introduction to content on the militia movement…” — Nick [08:51]
Gritz founded “Almost Heaven” in Idaho, a survivalist intentional community.
Despite claims, he is only loosely connected to the John Rambo character, with much self-invented mythology.

2. Early Life: Mythmaking From the Start

Gritz’s Oklahoma childhood: son of a WWII pilot shot down over France.
- [11:51–12:59]
- “Our man Bo was born January 18, 1939, in Enid, Oklahoma… about to be deeply rocked by war.” — Nick [11:51]
Abandonment: Raised mainly by grandparents after his mother started a new life post-war.
- “His mother… would later marry a master sergeant and remain with the occupation forces in Germany after the war. …I’m gone.” — Nick [15:56]
Early signs of trouble and privilege: Expelled from high school for “precocious” lawbreaking (i.e., stealing cars, fireworks in school).
- “The Post called him a self-styled juvenile prankster, which is a term that people who grow up to be law and order conservatives use to describe the crimes they committed as kids…” — Nick [16:48]

3. Military Career: Fact, Fiction, and Theft

Gritz enters the Army, later joins the Green Berets after a checkered stint (including being court-martialed twice in basic training).
- [18:38–27:47]
- Lie: Claimed to have “chosen” military school, chosen West Point, and joined the Green Berets via a dramatic recruitment poster—all debunked by Nick.
Marriage and familial patterns repeated:
- “This is a classic family of abandoner. …That man has abandoned at least one family.” — Nick [29:32]
Combat record: Gritz is, in fact, highly decorated (over 60 citations including Silver & Bronze Stars).
Tales of war crimes abound (executions, forced confessions with C4), described with dark humor and pointed criticism.
- [36:30–37:29]
- “So if you don’t help us, you’re dead… attach C4 to the prisoner’s neck… another war crime drink…” — Nick [37:29]

4. The Special Forces Myth—and America’s Need for Heroes

The show connects Gritz to the rise of “Special Forces worship” as a way of soothing post-Vietnam failures:
- [39:24–41:52]
- “Modern American worship of Special Forces operators begins as a distraction… That’s why the Rambo movies are such a big deal…” — Nick [39:24]
- “We got paid for bringing them back. Dead or alive. We laid mines like sowing seeds. Among my greatest satisfactions in life, other than sex, was hearing the boom in the night…” — Gritz [41:52]
Prop provides a sharp take: “You can’t be a prisoner of a war that ain’t happening, sir.” — Jay [56:54]

5. Post-Vietnam: Conspiracies, Grifting & The POW/MIA Flag

After the war, Gritz runs Special Forces operations in Latin America, then is involved in training Mujahideen in Afghanistan (which the government denies, but Gritz has proof).
- [47:23–48:46]
- “They flew Afghan fighters to Sandy Valley, Nevada, where Beau taught them to use armor piercing ammunition…” — Nick [48:05]
Gritz’s pivotal role in popularizing the conspiracy theory that scores of POWs were left behind in Vietnam—despite all credible evidence to the contrary.
- The black POW/MIA flag, origin marks, and its connection to Gritz’s lies:
  - “This is our most conspiratorial flag in the United States.” — Nick [50:26]
Nixon’s administration shifted US military messaging from “KIA, body not recovered” to “POW/MIA”, weaponizing it for pro-war sentiment.
- “It didn’t matter why we were there in the first place. Our boys were there and by God, we were going to do anything to get our boys home, right?” — Nick [55:41]

6. The Gritz Machine: Manipulation, Lies, and Fundraising

Gritz capitalizes on public grief, going on national tours and TV, raising money for (fictional) POW search-and-rescue projects.
- “If you just give me some money, I’m totally gonna put together a volunteer force of American veteran commandos and we’re gonna return to Southeast Asia…” — Nick [60:14]
Favorite fundraising sob story: the (invented) sacrifice of Sergeant George Hoagland (debunked by surviving squadmates and reporters).
- “Greitz wasn’t even on that goddamn team. I was with George when he died. He just got blown away. Must have taken 150 rounds.” — Chuck Heiner (quoted by Nick) [65:32]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Lying and Self-Mythologizing:
- “He’s someone who absolutely cannot control it. And what matters most to him isn’t the truth—it’s continuing to live as if he were a movie protagonist long after he’d gotten too old and slow to continue shooting people for the government.” — Nick [66:10]
On War Crimes, Drinking Games, and Bitter Irony:
- “So if you don’t help us, you’re dead… attach C4 to the prisoner’s neck… another war crime drink…” — Nick [37:29]
On American Hero Worship:
- “Modern American worship of Special Forces operators begins as a distraction…” — Nick [39:24]
Prop on the Absurdity of War:
- “You can’t be a prisoner of a war that ain’t happening, sir.” — Jay [56:54]
On Generational Trauma:
- “That’s his smoking pot is abandoning his family.” — Nick [29:52]
On the POW/MIA Flag:
- “This is our most conspiratorial flag in the United States.” — Nick [50:26]
On State-Sanctioned Grift:
- “This transformed the war from a political issue into a humanitarian one, trading public support for sympathy. Didn’t matter why we were there… Our boys were there and by God, we were going to do anything to get our boys home, right?” — Nick [55:41]

Important Timestamps

Nick's introduction & purpose of live show / Portland Defense Fund: [03:10–06:00]
Drinking game rules & jokes about survivalism and privilege: [06:42–08:51]
Gritz’s childhood and family abandonment: [11:51–15:56]
Gritz’s military career, lies about Green Berets, early war stories: [18:38–30:42]
Accounts of war crimes in Vietnam: [36:30–39:24]
Special Forces myth & Rambo connection: [39:24–41:52, 60:06–60:14]
Latin America, Afghanistan, government denials: [47:23–48:46]
POW/MIA conspiracy, flag origin, Vietnam era propaganda: [50:26–55:41]
Manipulating public sympathy into a grift: [60:14–62:29]
Debunking the George Hoagland story: [64:45–66:10]
Wrap-up/intermission & promises for Part Two: [66:10–67:14]

Tone & Style

True to the Behind the Bastards style, this live episode combines sharp, well-researched historical breakdowns with biting cynicism, comedy, and irreverent asides between the hosts. The mood swings between somber reflection (on the horrors and absurdities of war and the US military) and gallows humor—in true “roast the worst people in history” fashion. Prop’s commentary adds flavor and perspective, especially calling out the racial and social dynamics underlying American mythmaking.

Summary Takeaway

Part One of “The Ballad of Bo Gritz” exposes how a decorated, charismatic soldier leveraged a soup of lies, American desperation for hero figures, and the wounds of the Vietnam War not only for personal fame—but to seed a toxic conspiracy culture that thrives in America to this day. The episode closes with the promise that, despite Gritz’s “redemption arc” being extremely unlikely, there’s still much more madness to explore in Part Two—including audience Q&A and, undoubtedly, more grifts, crimes, and cautionary tales.

End of Part One summary. Stay tuned for the conclusion in Part Two!

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Part One: Behind the Bastards Live Show: The Ballad of Bo Gritz