Part One: The Evilest Football Player of All Time

Summary

Behind the Bastards

Episode: Part One: The Evilest Football Player of All Time

Release Date: August 19, 2025
Host: (likely Robert Evans)
Guest: Dana Schwartz (Hoax! and Noble Blood podcasts)
Producer/Co-host: Sophie

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Overview of the Episode

This engaging episode of Behind the Bastards dives into the life and context behind Alexander Villaplane, labeled “the evilest football player of all time.” However, before detailing his personal villainy and Nazi collaboration, the hosts explore the colonial fabric that produced him—specifically, the brutal French occupation of Algeria. The episode weaves together themes of colonialism, racism, shifting identities, and the cyclical and interconnected nature of European and World War II-era atrocities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introducing the Guest and Thematic Framing

• Dana Schwartz, host of "Hoax!" and "Noble Blood," joins to introduce the episode's focus: why society is so fascinated by villains and the mechanisms of believing “bullshit” through history.
  • “We just get into these conversations about why we believe things that aren't true, which feels unfortunately very pertinent these days.” (Dana Schwartz, 02:45)

2. Villains Through History: The Context of Evil

• Brief digression on how humanity, past and present, is susceptible to hoaxes and false beliefs:
  • “People are as dumb as they ever were and people are no dumber than.” (Host, 03:49)
• Framed as relevant to the episode's subject, Alexander Villaplane.

3. Who is Alexander Villaplane? Setting the Stage

• Not a simple "bad sportsman"—Villaplane transitions from football celebrity to notorious Nazi collaborator and SS enforcer during Occupied France.
  • “This guy is a footballer who becomes a brutal enforcer for the SS during the Nazi occupation of France. A real piece of shit, okay? His name is Alexander Villaplaine.” (Host, 08:23)
• To explain Villaplane’s origins, the episode steps back to French colonial Algeria.

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4. Deep Dive: The Colonial Background of Algeria and French Attitudes (10:05–54:49)

French Conquest and Brutality in Algeria (10:05–28:30)

• Algeria, ruled for centuries by Ottoman proxies, becomes a French colony starting in 1830 after a diplomatic slight (flyswatter incident).
  • “In April of 1827, the Dey smacks the French consul to Algeria in the face with a flyswatter.” (Host, 22:38)
• French invasion is rationalized as bringing civilization and order, but, in practice, is motivated by ego, debt, and national humiliation after Napoleonic failures.

Colonial Policy and Ethnic Cleansing (28:32–43:54)

• French see themselves as owners of Algerian land, not as caretakers of the people; Algerians are systematically dispossessed and dehumanized.
  • “France only wants to help them, and they really hope they'll obey their new overlords. And if they don't, this guy warns, God will inflict, ‘the most rigorous punishments on those who commit damage against the land and who ruin the country and its inhabitants.’...” (Host, 30:12)
• Colonization becomes marked by resistance, and the French respond with military brutality, genocide (1.6 million Algerians dead in a few decades), and the attempted settlement of “more trustworthy” Europeans.
  • “More than 1.6 million Algerians will be killed by the French... along with at least 100,000 French soldiers.” (Host, 35:55)
• Even after slavery is formally abolished in 1848, quasi-forced labor and selective non-enforcement persist. Ethical arguments are used to justify ethnic cleansing using freed slaves.
  • “Such colonists could be best found by diverting captives from the Saharan slave trade...” (Beaudichon, via Host, 41:33)

Establishing a Permanent Underclass & Lasting Racial Hierarchy (43:54–54:49)

• French intellectuals and policies solidify: Algeria’s land is French, its people are not.
• Systemic barriers prevent actual integration, and Algerians, even those moving to Paris, are denied full citizenship and rights—creating an enduring, exploited underclass.
  • “The final establishment of French policy is that Algerian land is ours and the people don’t belong anywhere, right? They can move to Paris...but they won’t have rights there. They can’t vote. They’re not citizens, right?” (Host, 44:45)
• The report by Emilien Chatroux underscores official racism and anti-Semitism:
  • “Because we conquered Algeria, we must make it a colony. That is for neither the Arabs nor the foreigners, nor the Jews, but for the French...” (Host quoting Chatroux, 54:49)

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5. From Context to Villaplane: Colonial Identity and Social Mobility (54:49–73:27)

Alexander Villaplane’s Background (57:26–65:09)

• Born 1904 in Algiers to a Spanish-descended father and French mother.
• Family considers themselves “working poor Algerians”—distinct within colonial society, animosity toward rich French elites.
  • “He [Joseph, Alexander’s father] sees himself as a European Algerian. So he certainly does...see himself as probably better or at least different from the Arab Algerians. But he still sees himself as a...Because he’s poor, right?...he identifies as ‘I am of the common people of Algeria.’” (Host, 60:24)
• Villaplane’s childhood is spent moving between Algeria and France, giving him unusual mobility and exposure.
• Football as social mobility: early football exposure due to privileged family connections; quickly becomes a prodigious, passionate player
  • “He’s just born to play football, right? The instant he gets a ball in his hand, right, he’s just losing his mind over the sport. You can’t stop him.” (Host, 63:00)

Football & the Shadow Economy of Professional ‘Amateurism’ (65:09–70:09)

• Describes the hypocrisy of the “amateur” football system in France between World Wars—a business involving secret payments and provided “jobs” as a way to skirt rules.
• Villaplane is among the first Algerians to make a name as a professional-level footballer in France, quickly becoming rich, famous, and successful.
  • “In this first wave of football stars, he’s one of the brightest stars...Alexander becomes the first Algerian pro football player in France.” (Host, 68:41)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “People are as dumb as they ever were and people are no dumber than.” (Host, 03:49)
• “This guy is a footballer who becomes a brutal enforcer for the SS during the Nazi occupation of France. A real piece of shit, okay? His name is Alexander Villaplaine.” (Host, 08:23)
• “In April of 1827, the Dey smacks the French consul to Algeria in the face with a flyswatter.” (Host, 22:38)
• “More than 1.6 million Algerians will be killed by the French...along with at least 100,000 French soldiers.” (Host, 35:55)
• “Because we conquered Algeria, we must make it a colony. That is for neither the Arabs nor the foreigners, nor the Jews, but for the French.” (Host quoting Chatroux, 54:49)
• “He is rich, he's famous. He has succeeded...and then he's going to become a Nazi.” (Host, 71:10–71:21)
• “What if I did fascism? That sounds...yeah, yeah, yeah.” (Sophie, 71:40)
• “He doesn’t even have the moral consistency to be, like, an ethical—not ethical—but like, he’s not a fascist ideologically. It's just where the money is. He doesn’t even give a shit about fascism...he doesn’t even have an ethos, you know?” (Host, 71:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:10 – Dana Schwartz introduction & discussion of new podcast "Hoax!"
• 03:49 – “People are as dumb as they ever were…” – Human credulity over time
• 04:13 – Introduction of the subject: “the most evil football player of all time,” Alexander Villaplane
• 10:05–54:49 – Detailed history of French Algeria, conquest, genocide, and policy towards Algerian people
• 54:49 – Antisemitism and French racial ideology in Algeria
• 57:26 – Birth and family background of Alexander Villaplane
• 63:00 – Early childhood and football obsession
• 65:09 – Amateur/professional football landscape in France
• 68:41 – Villaplane’s rise as a football star
• 71:10 – Foreboding: “He’s going to become a huge fucking Nazi...He’s going to nuke it because he's an asshole, then he's going to become a Nazi.”
• 72:13 – Guest pluggables and humorous encouragement to “conquer France”

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Tone & Style

• Casual, irreverent, and darkly humorous—even (“I think you’re capable of conquering France!”)
• Intellectually aggressive: not afraid to call out whitewashing of European colonial crimes or challenge listeners’ preconceptions
• Deeply researched but also accessible through analogies (e.g., comparing French colonial ambition to US adventures in Iraq/Afghanistan, or likening racist pronouncements to future Nazi ideology)

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Summary & Takeaways

If you missed the episode:
This installment of Behind the Bastards lays the groundwork for understanding Alexander Villaplane’s path from celebrated footballer to actual war criminal for the Nazis—by focusing on the environment that could produce such a person. The episode excels at illuminating how the cruelty, dehumanization, and racism of the French colonial project in Algeria become a breeding ground for further bastardry. Villaplane’s own trajectory—alienated from both French and Algerian communities, entering football as a lonely but passionate outsider, ascending into fame and riches in a corrupt “amateur” system—all sets up his later transformation into a collaborator and enforcer during WWII.

Next Episode Preview

The next part promises to explore Villaplane’s actual war crimes and Nazi collaboration in occupied France.

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For a full, historically grounded picture of how one of football’s brightest stars became one of European history’s most despicable villains, don’t miss this episode or the continuation of Villaplane’s story in Part Two.

Transcript

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[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

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[Sophie]

Yeah, I live for it.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

You live for it? Well, we live because of it. We pay our bills because of it.

[Dana Schwartz]

It's true.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

It's 100% true, which is different from living for something. But you know what I live for, Sophie?

[Sophie]

Do tell.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Introducing the guest to this podcast and nothing else. So every moment before and after this has just been an unbroken string of pain, just endless and ceaseless. But for this moment where I introduce our guest for today, Dana Schwartz, host of Hoax and the Noble Blood podcast. For that one moment, I feel bliss. Oh, my goodness.

[Dana Schwartz]

And you were so good at it.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Thank you. Thank you. Welcome to the show. How are you doing today?

[Dana Schwartz]

Thank you so much for having me. That was an excellent introduction.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I know. Back to pain. Nothing but pain from here on out.

[Sophie]

Before we get to the pain, do you want to tell the good folks about your new show, Hoax?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Exclamation point, exclamation point. That's load bearing.

[Dana Schwartz]

It is a load bearing exclamation point. And if you don't include it, that is not canonically the name of the podcast.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

And let's be fair, if you're a good writer, every exclamation point you use is load bearing. You know, I was really taught that no unnecessary exclamation points.

[Dana Schwartz]

I'm not throwing them around willy nilly. Unless they're in an email with someone that I want to like me.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course. Or a text and you're drunk. Yeah, I do that a lot. Just exclamation points.

[Dana Schwartz]

Hoax is a new show that I'm doing with my good friend Lizzie Logan, who's a comedy writer. I come from a history background and every other week we swap off, bringing each other stories of exciting, unbelievable, fantastic, strange hoaxes throughout history. My hoaxes are more of the historical bent. Lizzie's are slightly modern. I talked about in our first episode, the cottingly fairies, which were two young girls, took pictures of what they said were fairies that convinced Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in our next episode.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Oh, I love that story.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, it's Nuts, right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

He was so easy to trick, too. People were so much easier to trick back then.

[Dana Schwartz]

You think the guy who wrote Sherlock Holmes would have had, like, a little.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Bit more deductive reasoning skills, but no, no, absolutely not. Look, that's the problem with writing a super genius character is the writer is never as smart as the character.

[Dana Schwartz]

That's the thing. And he probably thought he was a genius. But my friend Lizzie also loves hoaxes like Balloon Boy, more modern hoaxes. And we just get into these conversations about why we believe things that aren't true, which feels unfortunately very pertinent these days. So listen, listen to hoax.

[Sophie]

Exclamation point, exclamation point.

[Dana Schwartz]

Thank you.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I think a lot about people talk about, oh, if you could travel back in time with like, modern guns or something, and you could change, you know, this battle where the world went in a wrong direction and. No, no, no. Go back in time with fucking Photoshop. If I could travel back in time with Photoshop in like a photo printer, I could change everything. I could really fuck some shit up, honestly.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, people believed a lot of stuff, but here's the really messed up stuff. Unfortunately, people believe a lot of stuff today, too.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Oh, yeah. It's almost the only thing people believe is bullshit.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah. I mean, that is the thing we sort of are learning going back and examining these hoaxes. We're like, yeah, people did believe a lot of bullshit, but kind of no more than people believe bullshit today.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

No. There's two things that are important to understand, which is that people are as dumb as they ever were and people are no dumber than.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

That's a really good way to put it in both of those things. Otherwise you're gonna misunderstand history. Yeah, yeah. And that's partly relevant to the subject of our episode this week, because this week we are talking about the most evil football player of all time.

[Dana Schwartz]

Oh, my gosh.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I got it. This is European football. It'd be a different guy if we were talking about the American football, right?

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah. I mean, there were some evil American football players.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

No. And if we're doing the most evil man in football, obviously this would be our eight parter on Jerry Jones. But I simply don't have the time to write 40,000 words on Jerry Jones this week. We'll get to it one of these days when he finally shuffles off this mortal coil. No, we are talking about what we Americans call soccer player. Although I'm gonna use the term football, since we're exclusively talking about Frank. This is an iHeart podcast iHeart presents.

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[Dana Schwartz]

So when you say evil, you mean like evil?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Evil. Evil. Evil. No, we're not just talking. This isn't just a guy who cheated at some sports games, you know, this is just a guy who was, like, personally abusive? No, this guy was evil. Evil. I mean, it's evil to be personally abusive, but this guy's, like, evil on a level where the number of people he's affecting is much higher.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yeah. This guy really went for it in terms of human evil. His name was Alexander Villaplaine. And. And he often. You can find a number of articles that are, like, the most evil football star ever. Like, that's. The titles will be variations of that sentiment. And while he was a right bastard, there's also a lot of bastardry behind how he came into being in this world. Because in order to properly set up the context of who this guy is and what he. The culture he comes out of, we have to start way before his birth in 1905, because while Alexander was born a subject of France, he was not born French in the sense that, like, a lot of people who grew up in France would have seen him as, right? And he wouldn't have primarily identified as a French citizen. He came into this world in Algiers, the capital of Algeria, which since 1830, had been a colonial possession of France. When the French invaded in 1830, Algeria had been a possession of the Ottoman sultan for about 400 years, right? So from, like, the 1400s up until the French come in, and Algeria is owned by the Ottomans, they're ruled by the sultan. But if you look at a map, it's pretty far away from Turkey. And The Ottoman Empire, not great at running shit. By the 1800s, you know, like there's a lot of distance and like a lot of kind of ailing empires. They more or less let local rulers kind of have a free hand in things as long as they got some taxes. And so, yeah, it's kind of that situation, you know, it's being ruled the way California was by the government in, in the early 1800s, where it's like, yeah, it's part of the US but not really.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, or like the American colonies for a little bit at the front end.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Exactly. I mean, that's another really good comparison where you're generally left alone as long as they get their kind of due.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

And Algiers is a regency, it's ruled by a Dey, which is like D E Y is like the name of the kind of ruler who's governing Algiers. There's a couple other cities, Tunis and Tripoli, that are also regencies ruled by Deys. And these guys are under theoretical control of the Sultan. However, in reality, the days were more or less on their own, independent from each other and mostly from the Sultan. As long as they paid regular tribute, the Sultan is not gonna back you up in much. He's not gonna really come in and fuck with you a lot. But like, if you're having problems with a foreign power, you can't really rely on the Ottoman army being anything but a basket case. Right. You know, their ability to project power is kind of declined a lot by the early 1800s. And there had been ongoing issues for a couple like Almost I think 200 years at this point, really with the Barbary pirates who were based, I mean, they're based all around North Africa. You know, the US has some early issues with them right. At the birth of our country in I think Tripoli. But the Barbary pirates, or at least some of them, are based out of ports in Algeria, right? In what is today Algeria. And they had been for more than 100 years. At the start of the 1800s, these pirates had carried out raids across Europe as far afield as Ireland, taking slaves for generations. Right? Like these guys are slave taking pirates. They're not, they're not the nice, cool pirates that you get like an HBO miniseries about, right? These guys are real, real tough sons of bitches and really mean sons of bitches. And they are, you know, for generations they'll take slaves from wherever they can. And it prompts erratic reprisals.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

You know, we talked about the US gets involved in Tripoli at one point. That's why? You know the Marine Corps and their song from the halls of Moctezuma to the shores of Tripoli. That's us fucking with these pirates, right? Yeah, yeah, that's why that's in there. And France had gotten militarily involved for the first time in the 1600s. So by the 1800s, for almost 200 years. And there had been on again, off again military involvement. Because these guys, these guys, these pirates, right, They're a real issue now aside from these, because they're not. France isn't the only European power that has their entanglements with the Barbary pirates. But Algeria itself, which isn't really. I say Algeria, I'm talking about Algiers. And there's some like low lying areas that grow food and some villages and you're as the day, you're kind of controlling some roads, the whole territory that we call Algeria. And you're mostly not even governing.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Like it's really up to local, you know, tribal leaders and villages. In a lot of the cases, you're not running things on a day to day basis in the middle of the desert.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

They can go months without having contact with the capital, let alone the outside world.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

That's just the way rural North Africa is working at this period of time. Now, while European powers in France will get involved with these pirates, periodically they try to stay out of Algiers proper and you know, the broader Algerian territory. Because from the 1600s up to the 1800s, the Ottoman Empire still theoretically has shooters, Right. Those shooters are less and less good at their job as time goes on. But you don't wanna fuck with the Ottomans too hard in the 1600s cause they can still throw some weight around, you know, like the U.S. right? When we talk about failing empires, they're kind of like at that. This is like their post Vietnam stage.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, they're gonna get messy. They have nothing to lose.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

They have nothing. Yeah. So the ottomans by the 1800s though, they're too much into their sick man phase of history to really do much here. And right around the turn of the century, as the 1800s starts, France has their revolution, right? You know, so they overthrow the king, the guillotines come out, they have their, you know, a republic and they also murder rebels who'd help make the republic. But you know, all that stuff is going on. And while France, if you remember your French revolutionary history, shortly after the French Revolution, France winds up at war with basically everyone else in Europe. And when you're at war with everyone else in Europe and you're doing the way that France is competitive with the rest of Europe is they're doing like mass conscription, right? You have like a mass people's army for like the first time in European history, which allows you to compete with these much smaller professional armies that theoretically have a lot more resources behind them. But. But when you're taking all these guys, you don't have as many guys to like, grow food, right? So the French Revolutionary government, for a while, they're kind of trying to stay on the day's good side because Algeria is providing the grain that revolutionary France needs to keep being revolutionary France, right? During this time when they're at war with everybody. But this is a constant. While they need Algiers, there's constant political instability within Algiers. The day is never on a scene, steady, like, he's never super safe in his position. And there's constant, like, you know, unrest throughout the territory, right? And so periodically, for about 30 years after the revolution, these post revolutionary French leaders will mold the possibility of like, look, we need this grain. We can't trust the current government. They're just not stable. Should we just invade? Should we just conquer Algeria? Like, we could probably knock that out in like a weekend, right? Like, that's like a long weekend for us. You know, they have like Iraq brain where they're like, oh, yeah, we can just knock this out and fucking, as soon as we kick this guy out, everyone will be chill to be a part of France. This will be easy, right?

[Dana Schwartz]

Who among us hasn't just thought that it'd be easy enough to take over Algeria, right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I think about this constantly. I still feel like I could. I feel like I'm a contender.

[Dana Schwartz]

How hard could it be?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I'm gonna go on vacation there and just see if I can wind up taking it over, you know, probably not. Sorry, Algeria. But this is an enticing prospect for post revolutionary French leaders, Napoleon among them, right? Because Algeria, if you just look at it on a map, it's in a great location. There's really good ports, right? Really important ports, and there's a lot of really good farmland. And so Napoleon actually, he sends spies over to Algiers and he draws up plans for an invasion. But Napoleon's got a lot going on. The French military is going to be tapped for a significant portion of his time in power and. And he never gets around to it, which is a real tragedy. Just one more war Napoleon could have gotten to but didn't have the time. You know, you always think you're gonna have more time to go to war with Algeria than you do. Which is another message for our audience. You know, don't let time pass you by. Invade Algeria today like the sponsors of this podcast are looking to do. This podcast is sponsored entirely by the pre 1812 Napoleonic government. So please, you know, support Napoleon with his invasion of Russia. It's gonna work. This is an ad by BetterHelp. These days it feels like there's advice for everything. Cold plunges, gratitude journals, screen detoxes. But how do you know what actually works for you? With the Internet and all the information overload about mental health and wellness out there, it's not always easy to know what you ought to do to take action for your mental health. And one thing you can do is is the therapy. And if you're considering therapy, you might want to look into BetterHelp. With over 30,000 therapists worldwide, BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 5 million people globally. And it works with an average rating of 4.9 out of 5 for a live session based on over 1.7 million client reviews. It's convenient too. You can join a session with a therapist at the click of a button, helping you fit therapy into your busy life. Plus, you can switch therapists anytime. As the largest online therapy provider in the world, BetterHelp can provide access to mental health professionals with a diverse variety of expertise. Talk it out with BetterHelp our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com behind that's betterhelp.com behind.

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[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

We're back. It didn't bad bad stuff in Russia for the French army. Which is why Napoleon gets forced out, right? He's no longer the guy running things. You've got a king in France again. But he's not on a super stable footing and neither is the day and the two of them wind up in constant conflict over debts.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

The Algeria owes France money. France is pissed off about it. And periodically when the two countries are at odds, the day will kind of tell the Barbary Pirates, hey, go back to doing your thing. You know, he can exert a little bit of control over him when he wants to keep France happy, but when he's pissed, he'd be like, all right you guys, you know Go fuck around, you know, fuck around with some shit, right? And this time the Barbary pirates fuck around and all of Algiers finds out. Because France is like, uh, first off, we're pissed because we just lost war. A war with all of Europe, right. We're feeling kind of bad about ourselves, like the US and Iraq.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

We need a. We need an easy win, you know, to make us feel better about ourselves. We lost this disastrous series of wars. So we really, you know, this is for our egos. We've got to invade and conquer Algeria, right? Yeah. And I'm, I'm, I'm smoothing things out a little bit, but this is generally what happens and kind of things come to a height when there's a series of arguments between the French ambassador and the Dey. And in April of 1827, the Dey smacks the French consul to Algeria in the face with a flyswatter. It's a moment that's memorialized in this beautiful painting. Look at this. Look at this. First off, they couldn't have made the day look like more of a chad and the fucking. The consul look like more of a soy jack if they tried. Like, it's the original chad and soy.

[Dana Schwartz]

When you said flies, like, I thought you were being metaphorical.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

No, it's like a literal fly swatter. It's a literal fly swatter. He smacks him in the face. We don't know. You know, this is one of those things. There's a couple different stories about what happens. In an article for EBSCO Grove, Coger describes differing accounts of what went down. Quote, Hussein bin Hassan, either tapped or struck, depending on conflicting accounts. Visiting French Consul Pierre Duval with a fly whisk. The incident may simply have been intended to indicate by the day that their interview was at an end, or it may have constituted, as the French chose to interpret it, a horrible and scandalous outrage. So either he's like, hey, we're done, or he, like, hits him. He's like, fuck you, man. You know, we don't really know which it's kind of deal, but the French assume it's a fuck you and that he really hit him, you know, so this is the most direct provocation that leads to the French invasion and conquest of Algeria. Again, I tried to make it a point. There had been ongoing and escalating difficulties between them. And the fact that France has lost this series of wars is a big part of why they want to get involved. There's an aspect of this that's like, we need to kind of Revitalize our national pride by winning a war. This is about 50 years before the scramble for Africa. So they're not caught up in the scramble for Africa. In fact, this is kind of one of the inciting incidents in the scramble for Africa.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

The fact that France winds up taking Algeria will lead 50 years later to a. Because I don't know if I wasn't actually aware of this until I started doing the research, the Algerian colony that France controls is the single largest portion of Africa that's controlled by anyone during this period. Algeria is the largest country in Africa geographically. So this is a huge chunk of Africa. And so 50 years or so down the line, the fact that France has this. As these European powers awaken to, like, how much money there is in Africa, they're gonna be, oh, shit, there's. We're running outta Africa. We gotta get some. You know, is kind of why Belgium winds up controlling the Congo. There's a piece of that here. Now, a more direct reason why France gets involved and invades Algeria is the oldest reason of all time. I keep making George W. Bush comparisons, but like the new king of France, Charles X is like a bushy figure. He's very unpopular. He is struggling to govern a country that is not thrilled to have him in power. And he kind of needs to distract everyone from the fact that he sucks at what he's doing and nobody likes him. Right? So Charles X is, like, I said, X. Sorry, Charles the 10th. Like, he's Charlie XCX Charles the 10th. That's how I'm choosing to picture this now. Is Charlie XC Very Brat starting the slow genocide of Algeria? That is very brat.

[Dana Schwartz]

It's not brat. It's not brat.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Is brat good.

[Sophie]

Brat is good. Brat is not bad. Genocide is not bad. It is not. Brad.

[Dana Schwartz]

Genocide in Algeria is not brat.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I was literally just saying it's pretty bratty to do a genocide, but, okay, this. This is. I'm. I'm glad I'm getting this context. That would have been really embarrassing. So Charlie the 10th decides this flyswatter thing. This is the excuse I need to get into a foreign war that absolutely won't threaten my power or involve the rest of Europe. Safe. It's gonna be super easy. We're gonna be in and out, you know? Kojer writes, quote, announcing publicly that he was eradicating Algerian privateering. Charles quickly dispatched a naval squadron under the command of Rear Admiral Joseph Collet. Collet reached the port of Algiers on June 11 after taking the consul and other French citize Citizens on board. He set up a naval blockade. Through the next three years, Sultan Mahmud II of the Ottoman Empire tried in vain to persuade De Hussein bin Hassan to come to terms with the French. He was supported in these efforts by the British, who were anxious to maintain a balance of power in the Mediterranean and protect their own interests. In March of 1830, Mahmoud sent an emissary, a former Grand Mufti, which is a judicial official of Algiers, who had since retired to Turkey, to insist that Hussein ben Hassan make peace. By that time, the French government, in ever increasing need of a distraction from its internal affairs, had decided to launch a direct invasion. So this really is like a war on terror moment for them where they're like, oh yeah, we gotta deal with these pirates. Yeah, that's why we're stealing all this stuff.

[Dana Schwartz]

Protecting, protecting everyone.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Protecting everyone. Yeah, yeah. France. French. 9, 11. Was this guy getting hit by a fly swatter. That's the, that's the fucking plane hitting the second tower is this fly swatter smacking, fucking this, this console in the face. So on May 11, 1830, a French fleet of 600 ships set sail for the African coast and arrived there. On 12th. Utilizing intelligence gathered during the Napoleonic era, 34,000 troops landed and carried out a rapid and successful invasion. The Algerians outnumbered French soldiers. They have like 20% more guys on board and normally if you're attacking, you want like 2 to 1 numerical odds against the defender. If, like everything else has parity, right? That's generally like best wisdom across the last like 10,000 years of military history. But these forces are not in parity, right? The Algerian military is just a militia. They're armed with weaponry that would have been outdated even for like the regular Ottoman army. And France has a modern army with a lot of experienced troops, right? They've got modern guns, they've got modern cannons, they just steamroll the day's army. The actual fighting is not really ever in doubt, right. And that's not. The problems that France is going to encounter is not in straight up land battles, right? It's going to be in an insurgency. By July 4, Algiers had been bombarded by sea and the Dey's army had been shattered in two decisive land battles. French civilians who'd been evacuated from Algiers before the invasion watched the shelling from yachts anchored offshore. It's one of those classic, like start of the civil war moments where people are like picnicking to watch the battle. You know, they're sitting on their yachts watching the city get shelled.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Really makes you sympathetic for these rich French people. So the day goes into exile, and France takes nominal control of the capital. This is the end of things going well for France, Right. They get a nice quick victory, they occupy the city, but they can't actually govern Algeria. That's a lot easier in theory than reality. The war had ended very rapidly, but France is then left with this uncomfortable reality that the DEI had never governed Algeria. He had controlled the capital and like some roads and towns, but for the most part, there's this patchwork of regional leaders and warlords who've been handling their shit for the day, and primarily on their own terms. There's no functional Algerian state for France to just plug into. There's this vast and hostile territory that they know very little about and has no interest in being part of France. The fact that French soldiers act like occupying soldiers once they take the capital does not help matters.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Dana Schwartz]

Cody's no, that doesn't endear them.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

No, no, no. They're pillaged. They pillage the capital.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

They desec mosques and cemeteries because soldiers are assholes a lot of the time. They're, like, really going out of their way to make these people angry. Yeah, everybody loves it when you desecrate their holy buildings and cemetery, their cemeteries. Come on, man.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So France and a big part of why, you know, this isn't just these soldiers are losing control and, you know, being let off the leash by their officers. France has sent 600 ships to Algiers.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right? Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

After losing a series of hideously expensive wars, they're broke. They need to rob Algiers blind to pay for the invasion.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So they absolutely just steal the entire treasury, which wrecks the local economy. So this makes the Algerian people very unhappy, and they attempt to register their displeasure at this state of affairs. When, you know, it becomes clear that the natives are restless or restive, the King sends an interpreter who speaks the language to deliver a message to the people of Algiers. It's called a Proclamation to the Arabs. And in this proclamation, the king's interpreter tells the people of Algiers that France only wants to help them, and they really hope they'll obey their new overlords. And if they don't, this guy warns, God will inflict, quote, the most rigorous punishments on those who commit damage against the land and who ruin the country and its inhabitants. Now, it's really worth noting the way that's framed right. In her study, French land, Algerian people. Paige Gulley notes of this proclamation. Significantly, this statement emphasized above all harm to the land and the country, listing the inhabitants Last almost as an afterthought. In other words, it depicted the well being of the country and the land itself as the primary concerns of the French. So from the jump they're like, you guys better not fuck up this land with your being people and you're living on it. You know, we need this stuff. Nice guys. We love a colonial overlord. So things start off on a bad foot and over the next few decades they don't get better. This evolves this attitude that like, we're putting the land before the people who live there becomes official state policy of the French occupiers. And the Algerians aren't stupid. They know immediately as soon as this proclamation comes out, they know that like, oh, these people are going to steal our land from us and they don't care what happens to us just because we happen to be living on it, right? So they're not motivated to be loyal to the crown. To make matters worse, right after Algiers gets taken in July of the same year, there's a revolution in France called the July Revolution that forces King Charles xcx, you know, out of power, right? Just a couple of weeks after his great victory, now he gets replaced by his cousin. So not a wild difference between these two guys. And he has to go. It's very funny. He forces the day to go into exile and he has to go into exile so his cousin can run things. That's karma. That's karma. If only the Iraq war had worked out this way. George Bush is hiding in like Argentina or something right now, doing his paintings from yeah, I Dream. So the government behind the next monarch are not supportive of this latest foreign adventure, right? The people who wind up because the king gets deposed. And like the officials around his cousin are the guys who had opposed the king invading Algeria, right? They'd been the ones being like, this is going to be disastrous and expensive. But now they're in charge and Algeria is a French possession. You can't just leave it, right? Like you can't just go. Even though you know it's a bad idea, you have to maintain the occupation that you know is a bad idea, because otherwise you're going to be admitting that you failed. And national pride won't let you leave this possession behind, right? Like the French people have invested their egos now into controlling Algeria. So you can't. It's like an Afghanistan thing. Even though you didn't start this, if you take over and leave, you're going to get blamed for it not working out. It's cool. How often the same shit happens in history.

[Dana Schwartz]

I know you're saying that. And it's like, that can be applied to so many situations.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Ah, fuck.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

We didn't want to be here, but we have to figure out how to make this war work. And we're going to wind up committing so many crimes against humanity to try to make this war that we didn't want work for us.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

In her study, French Land Algerian People, which I really do recommend if you're trying to get an idea on how this occupation went, Paige Gulley describes what happened next. After the initial conquest, Algeria was left under the control of largely autonomous generals who waged brutal warfare against the local Arab and Berber populations. So because they're Westerners under like a quote, unquote modern state, we don't call these guys warlords, these generals that France just gives power to do whatever in Algeria, but they're warlords. And they're primarily when they get frustrated. These guys are military men. So they don't have any idea of like, okay, well, the population's angry because the cost of living has increased and because of this policy and that policy. So if we set up this like, broad based series of policies, looked at changing the economic status, then, like, we can improve people's quality of life and gradually the level of resistance will fade because people will have, like, they won't be willing to die fighting because they'll actually have things and they'll have a life. They don't think that way. They're like, people are angry. Guess we'll shoot them. They're still angry. Let's try shooting some more. Maybe we'll starve them. Let's poison the water. You know, that's the only fucking, that's the only way they're capable of thinking.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

And so for the next 70 years, there are regular uprisings against the French occupation.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I cannot exaggerate the degree to which this is not a situation in which the, the Algerian people are passive or just letting this shit happen to them.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

For an idea of how intense an occupation they require because of how effective their resistance is, for the first 20 something years France occupies Algeria, a third of the French military is constantly deployed in the territory.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Dana Schwartz]

Feels like a big investment.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

That is a huge investment. Like, that's so much money. And throughout this first 20 something years, more than 1.6 million Algerians will be killed by the French, largely people who like disease and starvation.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

As a result of different military and other policies being pursued by the occupiers, along with at least 100,000 French soldiers, right? So this is a brutal occupation. We are talking a massive body count here. Algeria is not annexed formally until 1841. And until the 1880s, the colony is governed by military officers.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

There's no, like, civil administration. It's not until the close of the 19th into the 20th centuries that the territory of Algeria becomes anything close to a functional colony in the way that we usually talk about when we're discussing colonies of European powers during this period.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Because it's just too violent for it to be really functioning the way a colony is supposed to. Now, again, Algeria, today the country Algeria is about 900,000 square miles, right? It's the largest country in Africa. So it's not surprising the French have difficulty tying things up. And the sheer amount of bloodshed and the consistency of resistance from the population does two things. First, it inculcated within the French people a feeling that this land was theirs in a way that separated it from even their other colonial possessions because they bled so dearly for it.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

A lot more of us died for this than the other places we owned. So we own this in a different way, right? And the fact that a lot more of them died doesn't really. That's not really hitting our books, you know. The second thing this does is it further separates the Algerian people from the land and from French citizens, right? The Algerians are seen as damaged. They're not just inferior in the sense that, like, you know, white supremacists see all non white people as inferior, but they're also broken in a way that can't be fixed because in most, you know, these are all white. All of these colonial states are white supremacists, right? But not necessarily in the way that we, we think about today. There's an attitude of like, especially like, if you look at the way the British were talked about their Indian possessions, there's an attitude of like, well, we can uplift these people and make them civilized, right? And that's also very racist and problematic. But there's still that. This attitude that we're there to leave behind a functional state. The French never feel this way in Algeria. They don't feel we're not here to do anything but kill these people and take their. We don't give a fuck about these human beings, right? We're not even pretending to. Eugene Beaudichon, who's a French doctor who settles in algiers in the 1850s, is one of the first intellectuals to lay this out clearly, Right? Because he's a, you know, he's a medical professional. He's a. He's a learned man, and he's engaging with other learned men of this. Of this, you know, the state that has these kind of within sort of the French population, these attitudes of, like, egalitarianism.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

And so we're all kind of debating, you know, the kind of empire we want to have. And he starts to complain that there's a couple of issues we have in a couple major issues in Algeria, governing it.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

First off, when you send Europeans to Algeria, they die really fucking quickly, right? Because the climate is not hospitable to French people. You know, you're in the desert. There's a lot of different diseases that, you know, French people aren't used to getting. It's just, like, not a good place for French people to be. And so you can't get that large a European population, or at least not a French European population. Spaniards do.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Okay, right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

And there's some French possessions that are basically Spanish in this period, like, in the Mediterranean, and some, like, allies. So, like, they will take in Spanish colonists to colonize Algeria because, like, you know, Spain is hotter, right? Like, they're more used to the climate.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

If you look at, like, southern Spain, it's not a wildly different climate from North Africa in a lot of ways, right? So you can kind of do that, but you can't really get a large French population in Algiers. Cause they just keep dying.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

But also, you can't trust the native Algerians because they keep rebelling. You know, they're fundamentally. And there's this idea that Bodashan has that like, they're never going to be. We'll never be able to trust them. So what we need to do is replace them with other Africans, right? From different parts of Africa. Quote, this is Beaudichon writing. Such colonists could be best found by diverting captives from the Saharan slave trade and directing them towards Algeria. Here, they could be legally emancipated and put to work on the land. I got an idea, guys. Look, post revolution, we're an ethical state now. France is modern and enlightened. What if we take slaves from the slave trade and just use them to grow food in this other possession? And we ethnically cleanse the native people, and technically we say we're not doing slavery anymore. Can we make that work? Right. That's Beaudeschan's idea. These people suck so bad. Now, slavery is made illegal in France in 1848, which is a fact that the French like to bring up to the Americans because It takes us a bit longer, but it's, like, illegal, right? You can't have slaves in France. You're not supposed to have them anywhere else. But slavery still exists and also state like. Like situations for workers. That is not technically slavery, but it basically is slavery. You know, you've got prisons and colonies and stuff that function that way, too. And guys like Beaudishon are going to argue that we actually, even though it's illegal, we need slavery at least to get Africans from elsewhere in Africa, from sub Saharan Africa to Algeria.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

We can do away with the system once they're in Algeria, but only, quote, the devotion of African slaves of color can counteract the bellicose nature of the native Algerians.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

That's. That's his argument. So just the most racist people that you can imagine. Now, the abolition of slavery in France is further complicated by the fact that there's a lot of slave owners in Algeria, and they're one of the. There's two types of Algerians at this point, right? There's two types of people who call themselves Algerians. There's what we would call Algerians, which is like the native indigenous peoples of the area who had lived there before French conquest. And then there's these foreign Europeans who have settled in Algeria and to some extent have intermarried with the local population, but also keep to themselves a lot. And they also call themselves Algerians.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So the upper strata of, like the. The people who had been closer to the day, who were wealthier and are, you know, native Algerians, they have slaves, and the European Algerians have slaves. And the French authorities are supposed to enforce the laws against slavery in Algeria, but they don't. Or at least they do it unevenly.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Historian Benjamin Brower noted that colonial authorities allowed Algerians of both kinds who are friendly with the French government to continue to hold and trade slaves. Quote, French administrators granted permission to trade in slaves and keep those they owned. And in some cases, the French administration even returned to fugitive slaves.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

You only take slaves from people if they're unfriendly Algerians.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

If they're. If they're opposed to the French government, then you take their slaves and you try to turn them into farmers.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

We're using this as a way to try to colonize, you know, and keep a working population we can trust in the colony. Now, this doesn't work very well. It's hard to make something like this work at the scale you need to. And so in the 1850s, our favorite French king, Napoleon III, who we talked about a lot on this show. A year or two ago, old Nappy three sends a group of French political prisoners who had tried to leave to see.

[Dana Schwartz]

Oh, Nappy Three.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Nappy Three, Nappy Trace, baby.

[Dana Schwartz]

We got Charlie XCX and Nappy Trace.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Nappy Trace. Yeah, there we go.

[Sophie]

Jesus Christ.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So he had come to power, you know, it was a coup, right? He, like, he takes power as the king and there's a counter revolution against him that fails, and he arrests like, 6,000 people. And he starts sending these guys over to Algeria. And his attitude is like, well, I'll send these arrestees and they'll create farms, and once they've got a farm going, they'll send for their families to join them. And that's how we'll get, like, a trustworthy population base in Algeria going, right? So that we can make this appropriately French. And eventually the idea is we'll just kind of genocide, ethnically cleanse, push out all of the native people, right? Like, that's the hope. It's never going to work for them, because this is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. And, you know, Napoleon III being Napoleon iii, he can't even be consistent about this. And in short order, he pardons most of these prisoners because his popularity takes a dive and he's like, maybe this will make people like me, ultimately.

[Dana Schwartz]

So he's trying, which is something he's trying, right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So less than 50 of these 6,000 guys actually wind up settling in Algeria, which is kind of shit. Like this keeps happening where they'll have these grand ambitions. This'll let us get a popul. This'll do it. And it never really works. So for the next 50 years or so, France struggles to convince any French people to move to a place where they aren't wanted. And the climate and native illnesses will kill them very quickly in most cases. French intellectuals and political elites only grow more dedicated to holding onto Algeria during this time because they're continuing to pour troops and bullets into the territory. Territory while complaining that without French farmers, this project can't work. So by the end of the century, you know, in 1870, 71, we have Germany goes to war with France. Germany also becomes the thing. We have the Franco Prussian War, right? Napoleon falls at the end of the Franco Prussian War, and France becomes a republic yet again, right? And by the time the republic is back, French policy has settled into this uneasy conclusion re Algeria, which is that it's not a colony, in the same way that, like, Indochina is, right? And for a description of how they're looking at Algeria in this period, I want to quote from an article written by Jim House for the University of Leeds. Algerians were French subjects, but not French citizens. For decades, Algerians embodied a significant exception to the established French republican model that for men at least, combined nationality and citizenship. Algeria constituted a colonial territory fully integrated into the republic, that, as politicians like to say, ran from Dunkirk in the north to Tamanrasset in the Sahara. The Mediterranean separating France and Algeria, like the Seine running through Paris, right? So I think that's really important to dwell on a little. After the revolution, there are attempts to say, look, France is an empire. We govern a lot of territory that's outside of Europe, but all the men there are equal, right? Because, you know, liberty, egality, fraternity, right? We're all equal. There are attempt. Now, they're never perfect. We can talk about Haiti, right? The French are never perfectly consistent, but there is an attempt in most of their colonial possessions to say, we recognize the equality of all men, right? They don't really believe it. They're not consistent about it, but they are at least signposting that. And they don't even try to do that with Algeria, right? The final establishment of French policy is that Algerian land is ours and the people don't belong anywhere, right? They can move. They can move to Paris even if they want, but they won't have rights there. They can't vote. They're not citizens, right? And because shit is bad in Algiers, in Algeria, there's a lot of poverty, there's a lot of desperation, a lot of Algerians move to Paris, right? Both native Algerians and kind of people who for a couple generations had been part of this European population that call themselves Algerians. In Algeria, they also moved to Paris, and there's an extent to which they're all viewed kind of the same by Parisians, right? And they come to form a permanent underclass. And this is, by the way, still a thing in France, and particularly in Paris. The Algerian population, which is consistently mistreated and not. Not treated equally and abused by the police and like that is still a problem in France to this day, right? And this is kind of where that all starts, you know? And so these. These Algerians who are living in Paris are abused by the police, they're abused by their employers. They're unable to advocate for themselves in any legal way. This is not a happy situation for the Algerians who are living in Paris. And there's a lot of anger as a result of that. In 1892, the French Senate ordered an inquiry into Algerian affairs, which was written by emilien Chatroux. His 350 page report essentially summarized the final conclusion of the French state into the Algerian question. Chatroux was not only a government official who was supposed to be analyzing the country, he'd lived for years in Algeria. During a chapter in the history of colonial policies towards land use, he praised the richness of Algeria's land and blamed its constant famines, which had been incited by the government during Napoleon III's reign to starve Algerians and break the rebel movement, as instead being caused by negligence and lack of foresight by Algerian farmers. They didn't foresee that we were gonna kill em, you know, that's why they died.

[Dana Schwartz]

Lack of foresight. Classic. That's the issue.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Lack of foresight, right? Yeah. He concluded, only the European with his civilization knows how to subject the soil to the intensive cultivation that will return 100% of its potential. Paige Gulley summarizes the rest of the report. In reviewing past colonization policies, Chatru was complimentary of the French government's recognition of the potential value of Algerian land. We have understood that the future of North Africa had to be rooted in the progressive acquisition of land for the European settlers who bring with them their scientific methods and their sophisticated equipment. However, despite this recognition, many colonization policies failed to significantly increase the cultivation of Algeria. Chatroux blamed this failure largely on what he perceived as French leniency and allowing Algerian people to keep their own land that their relatives had owned for forever, or to even buy land. Labeling that imprudent generosity that always weighed heavily on the colony. This generosity of letting people stay in their homes sometimes, sometimes stopped France from using Algeria's land to its full potential because the people who lived there cultivated it ineffectively. And again, Chetriot was ignoring the fact that French people can't survive there, right? And also have no interest in being subsistence farmers. Because it sucks.

[Sophie]

Sucks.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Uh huh.

[Sophie]

French leniency.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

French colonial administrators, always shitty. You know who else is always. No, not always shitty.

[Sophie]

There we go.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Sometimes shitty, sometimes shitty.

[Sophie]

We don't pick them.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Sponsors of this podcast.

[Dana Schwartz]

Oh great.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yeah, no, they. They do sometimes suck.

[Sophie]

They do sometimes super suck.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

No way to know. No way to know.

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[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

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[Dana Schwartz]

That sentence I was waiting for when it was you tease Nazis. I was waiting for the anti Semitism.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yes, yes. And this is important, the fact that you could have put these words in the mouth of a Nazi, right. If you just replaced French with German and it would sound right. You know, that's important because we're going to spend most of these episodes talking about the German occupation of France. And a lot of what the German occupation of France is, is Germany doing to the French a less brutal version generally than what the French had done to the Algerians. They're certainly going to kill a smaller portion of the population, shall we say. So that's what these French colonial administrators are being like. Well, Algeria obviously doesn't belong to the Arabs or the foreigners. And he's talking about like the Spanish and other European Algerians. Right. Nor the Jews. It belongs to the French, natural French territory. Algeria, the place we can't survive in. We die immediately there. Of course, this belongs to us now. I told you at the top of this episode, we're talking about a goddamn football player, right?

[Sophie]

I was like, where is the kickball situation?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Well, he's. He's an Algerian, right? He's a European Algerian, Right. He is born in Algiers, Right. And he's going to wind up becoming a colonial enforcer in France for the Nazis, which I find a really fascinating dichotomy.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

That you have this horrible history of French colonialism in Algeria. This guy is a product of it. He's French and Spanish, but he's born and raised in Algeria. He would call himself an Algerian. Other people called him an Algerian. And he moves to France and winds up an occupying soldier carrying out a brutal insurgent war against the native people of France. Which is a really interesting thing to me.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Like, what a wild switcheroo we're going through here. And among other things, I felt it would be fucked up to just talk about how brutal this guy was as an occupier and, like, pretend, as we often do when we're talking about the European powers around this period, pretend they didn't get up to Nazi shit before the Nazis did.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

You know, I think it's important to. It's like we say about the British Empire. Were they absolutely. Much better than the Nazis? Of course. Were they also, for most of their history, just slower than the Nazis? Yes, that's also true.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

You know, we could talk about the genocide, the starvation genocide in Bengal, right. You know, 20, 30 million people dead. And we have on this show, and we just talked about the French killed 1.62 million Algerians, you know, in this period of time. Now we're starting with the story of our actual bastard on December 24, 1907.

[Sophie]

Minutes in.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Sophie]

Who are you? Margaret Killjoy.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yeah. Context, baby. People love it.

[Dana Schwartz]

Context.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yeah. On December 24, 1904, Alexander Eugene Villaplana was born in Algiers. By the time of his birth, there were more than 100,000, close to 200,000 foreigners, which are Europeans who are living in Algeria. And they have their own patois dialect because, again, they are intermarrying to some extent. So it's a mix of, like, Arabic and French, and I think there's some Spanish in there, and they call themselves Algerians. Alexander's father is of Spanish extraction. His parents had come from a Mediterranean island called Menorca and had immigrated to Algeria in the 18th century. Spain had let France use the island as a staging area for their invasion. And once France took Algeria, they urged Menorcan farmers to leave their homes. And per Luc Brienne's biography of Villaplana, Menorcan farmers were encouraged to leave the poor and stony land to exploit that of Algeria. The women especially.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

And what you get with that, the women especially, what's going on here is France recognizes these people who live on this island. That's pretty close. They're European. So, you know, in terms of our racial supremacy, it's better for us that we consider them more trustworthy and better people. But they can survive being on the land better. So we really want to get as many of those women over there as possible, get them pregnant and start building a European expat population in Algiers.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

However, these kind of Menorcan farmers are more can survive in North Africa better than the French, but not all that well because Alexander's grandparents die when his dad is seven. So he, you know, shortly after they arrive, they die. Joseph, his father, is left an orphan. He eventually grows up. He gets married to Nathalie, a French woman whose family came from the mainland but who had moved to Algeria to try and colonize it. And yeah, they get married. This is not. Joseph has married at least once before and has one divorce because he's abusive and jealous. Like he's physically abusive enough that they make a note of it in like the 1890s, right? Which is hard. He also gets in trouble at one point for assaulting a tax official who makes eyes at his wife before they're married.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

This guy, this tax official looks at his future wife Ragh, and he assaults him. So this is our bastard's dad. This is Joseph, Alexander's father. And Joseph, again, I've just said he's a European. We see them rightly as the colonizers. Joseph doesn't see himself that way, nor does he see their family as colonizers. He sees himself as one of the common people of Algeria.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Dana Schwartz]

So he sees himself as Algerian, even though he's like European in his heritage.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yes. And he sees himself as a European Algerian. So he certainly does, one would assume, see himself as probably better or at least different from the Arab Algerians. But he still sees himself as a. Because he's poor, Right. And so most of the Europeans are on the wealthier side of things, right? And the European descent. And he sees himself, he identifies as I am of the common people of Algeria.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

We're not these rich assholes, right? That's very important to Joseph. And that's going to be a major aspect of like the way he raises Alexander. Alexander is going to be raised to believe these rich French assholes are like kind of our natural enemy, right? Because like we're poor, working class Algerians, right? Like, fuck these guys, you know? And that's, that's going to be important to how Alexander views the world as he grows up. So Joseph is, you know, he's poor by the standards of Europeans in Algeria, but he's rich by the standards of probably Arab, Algerians. He starts like three different barrel making businesses that all fail. But he's got enough family money coming in from his money and then his wife's family that he's able to repeatedly start and fail at new barrel making businesses. At some point, man, just stop making barrels, homie. Like, what the hell? It's not working. How many barrel business? Come on, one more, one more. He keeps switching towns like this is the town that wants barrels. None of them do.

[Dana Schwartz]

I mean, it seems like people would need barrels. I get the logic, sure.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I mean, people need a lot of stuff, but that doesn't mean that you're gonna be the one to provide it. Yeah. So from his earliest memories, Alexander would have been told by his father, again, we're working poor, we're not like these wealthy foreign landowners. And the reality is that his wife's family, so Alexander's mom has like family with some amount of. I don't think they're rich, but they're comfortable back in France and they visit them regularly. So as a little kid, Alexander is going from North Africa to France. The Villa Planas are thus much better off than most native Algerians. And because of this, because he's traveling back to France, he gets a head start on the rest of the kids in Algeria and playing football, right? And this is the thing, football, it's kind of started off in the uk, right? And it's traveled down Europe at this point. It's going to hit obviously today in North Africa, the whole Arab world. Football's a massive deal, right? Like I can tell you, just like all of the time I've spent in Iraq, I saw so many fucking Messi jerseys, right? It was like the one thing everyone could agree on is how much they fucking love that guy.

[Sophie]

Everybody loves Lionel Messi.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Everybody loves fucking Messi. In his book Lebrassard, Luc Briand writes about Alexandre's early family trips back to France. Quote, the family, which now included two daughters and this little boy, regularly returned to Heru. And later, some would remember seeing young Alexander, a child of the century, treading the football fields of set when he was barely four years old, legs like matchsticks, running tirelessly and laughter in the sunset over the ponds. Four years is young, but it is true that the child shows predispositions, always laughing and live lively, spinning enthusiastically. A ball in his hands are at his feet. He's one of these kids, he's just born to play football, right? The instant he gets a ball in his hand, right, he's just losing his Mind over the sport. You can't stop him. Football remains his main concern throughout his childhood. He does okay in school. Brianne describes him as performing honorably in primary school, which I had to translate the book cause it's in French, so maybe I'm just getting that one wrong.

[Dana Schwartz]

It kind of sounds like honorably is like, fine.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yeah, he does okay. He doesn't shame himself, right?

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So he starts primary school in 1910. He attends a free school in a town near Algiers, which is a free school because, like, it's basically a more affluent suburb. And they're like, we don't want to pay into the public schools that these Arab kids are using.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So we'll pay for a free school in our suburbs, right? Where it's like our tax. It's one of those things. It's a charter school deal, right? So this is a religious school. But Alexander's family is not.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

They're very much kind of a French Republican family in that area and that, like, they. They're not really believers. Quote. In the Villa Plana household, Luke Brion writes, weddings and funerals are resolutely civil. Alexander was a decent student. He's. He's good enough that he gets in the local papers for his grades, but he doesn't graduate with honors. Since Villaplane is a Spanish name and not a French one, his father starts using the name Villaplan to try and sound more French.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Like instead of P L A N A, it's P L A N E. Right. And Alexander is not unique in the fact that he is a nut for football from an early age. But he is lonely in Algeria at that point because it's starting to take a hold. But it's still very new to the colony. Football doesn't reach North Africa until 1897.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So by the time he's born, North Africa has had football for like eight years, Right? And the first club hadn't been established in Algiers until the year before Alexander's birth. In 1908, Joseph enrolled his son in a military preparatory program that included a football team.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

So it's like a broader school thing and it's technically like an ROTC deal, but they also, they have a football club, right? And so from the time he's a little kid, this kid is going to be one of the first people in North Africa, period, to play football.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

And he's again, he's not just interested in it, he's really good at it. And his team, this first team he plays on, this first Algerian Team wins the youth North African football championship in 1913, 1914, right? So he exhibits excellence from an early age and wins. Helps win a competition with this team. Now, he's generally very good at athletics. He wins a diving competition when he's 15, and he's good enough at football. But by age 16, he's made a name for himself as a player. And he's able to leave Algeria for good, right? In 1916, he, like, bounces. He's never going to come back. He moves to Set to live in France to live with his uncles, and he joins the local club there, FC Set. Now, the team was managed by a Scotsman, Victor Gibson. And as soon as Gibson got a look at Villeplan, he decided, this kid's got what it takes to go professional, right? You know, I say professional because that's how we would look at the team that Alexander's about to join. At this point, they're all still amateurs, right? You're not allowed to pay players. It's against the rules, right? But football's already a big business, and so if you want to get the best talent, you have to offer players something. You know, this isn't the kind of situation where there's as crooked a racket around it as like we have in the ncaa, where you're just taking these kids in and not giving them shit and permanently injuring them. In a lot of cases, in order to make millions and millions of dollars off of them playing college ball, you actually have to provide an incentive. It just can't be their salary job to play football. So by the 20s, by the time that Alexander gets to France, a system is developed by which good players are offered jobs, other jobs, right? Where it's like, hey, if you move to FC Set, we'll give you this job, like managing a butcher shop. And you don't have to come to work, you just get money from it. But you're technically employed, right? Or if you're really good, they'll be like, hey, if you move and you agree to work at this team and play here for at least, you know, however many years, I'll give you a nightclub, it's already operational, it's already selling. Or I'll give you a theater, right? And you can see, here's the bank statements, this is how much money it makes, and that'll be your theater. And so you'll support yourself off of the income from this business that we're handing over to you, right? That's how you get paid. If you're like a top Footballer, Right. So when he first comes to France, Alexander has to kind of take whatever they can give him. He's not immediately getting good deals, but within five years or so, he's one of the best players in the entire country.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

In this first wave of football stars, he's one of the brightest stars. Like, he is good enough that in very short order he is getting poached, right? He's getting offered turnkey businesses and huge amounts of money. He's by the time he's in his early 20s, like 21, 22, he's verging on like, rich because of how good he is at football and how much everyone wants him on their team. Alexander becomes the first Algerian pro football player in France. He's often called the Algerian. And after a year and a half on Gibson's team, he's poached by a team in Vergay, which is sponsored by Perrier, the bottled water company. Yeah, that's the sponsor of his second team is Perrier.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

They're like buying him a nightclub or something. I forget which business they hand him, but he's getting different business. He's accumulating businesses basically during this period of time. Now, once Perrier gets them, his original team recruits him back. They're all offering different jobs and whatnot to do, but he's good enough that he keeps getting poached. And so he gets poached back by his original team. And in the 1927, he gets poached by a team in Nimes who promised that he'll be given a business of his own, which will really make him wealthy if he continues to play for them. So he moves to Nimes, which is where he becomes known as the best ball header in the country and one of the best passers. Do I know what a ball header is? No. Am I giggling a little when I wrote it?

[Dana Schwartz]

Is it someone who hits a ball with their head?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I think that's probably it.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Dana Schwartz]

Or not?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I think that's probably it.

[Dana Schwartz]

There's a lot of it.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

I've seen one professional European match and everybody was hitting the ball with their head. So that's my guess, is he's the best at ball heading, which also probably is giving him some cte. He's later going to exhibit some signs of maybe the kind of aggression that you sometimes get when you've repeatedly taken on head injuries for sporting purposes. But he's really good. He's the best ball header in France. Again, I'm sorry, I'm seven. He's really Good at passing. He wins a France cap, which is a big football award, in a game against Belgium in 1926. And in short order, he's made the captain of this team in Nime, right? So he's. By 1926, he is at the top of the world.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Or all he's close to. He's actually gonna raise some from this. But he is. He is rich, he's famous. He has succeeded.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

This life is going as well for him as it could possibly be going for somebody in his situation.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Right?

[Sophie]

So he's gonna become a huge fucking Nazi is what you're telling me?

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

No, he's gonna. He's gonna become a huge fucking Nazi. He's gonna destroy all of.

[Sophie]

What a cool guy.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Yeah, it's gonna be great.

[Co-host or guest commentator]

Yeah.

[Dana Schwartz]

He has talent, he has opportunity, and he's just gonna become a complete monster.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

That's right. He is going to nuke it because he's an asshole, and then he's going to become a Nazi. It's gonna be cool.

[Sophie]

What if I did fascism? That sounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

You know what? We'll talk about it. But he doesn't even have the moral consistency to be, like, an ethical. Not ethical, but, like, he's not a fascist ideologically. It's just where the money is. He doesn't even give a shit about fascism. Like, that's how much he's. It's one of those, like, fucking Walter from the Big Lebowski moments of, like, he doesn't even have an ethos, you know? But, yeah, we'll talk about that. But first, Dana, let's talk about your pluggables.

[Dana Schwartz]

My pluggables, my Instagram is Dana Schwartz with three Z's at the end, two extra Z's, and my podcast, Noble Blood is about historical nobles. And Hoax is a brand new show talking about historical hoaxes. Please go check it out. Listen to it. Like, subscribe rate, review, all of the above.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Excellent. We'll do all of that and, you know, do something else. Go try to conquer Algeria or you know what people have been doing that conquer France conquest. It's been a long time. It's been almost 100 years since anyone. It's been like 80 years since anyone conquered France. Go do it. You can take them. All right. Yeah, I love them. I think you got it. You know, thank you so much. Just don't go in through Belgium. That doesn't work.

[Dana Schwartz]

Well, thank you so much for this encouragement. I've been waiting for someone to tell me that I'm capable of conquering France.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

Sophie brought that up before the call. She was like, you know, Dana, really, she's got what it takes to conquer France. I think she just needs, you know, some encouragement. So we're offering that. I'm also offering 200,000 men and tanks and armored transports. Don't ask where I got them. Yeah, it'll be enough. It'll be enough.

[Dana Schwartz]

Amazing.

[Host (possibly Robert or Rodney)]

All right, that's the episode.

[Sophie]

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