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Robert Evans
Call Zone Media.
Will Menaker
Ah, it's behind the Bastards, a podcast hosted by a man who is legally a judge and his friend Greasy Will, who is legally Greasy Will, legally not.
Gabe Gonzalez
Allowed to drive anymore.
Will Menaker
I've been. Oh, really? Did that happen?
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, yeah. Every time you said combs with an L, I took a sip from over the last two episodes.
Will Menaker
Sorry.
Gabe Gonzalez
So now I'm just trash. I hope you've enjoyed this behind the Bastards drinking game that I have embarked upon.
Will Menaker
Go back in time and just have like about 14 shots.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah.
Will Menaker
So the late 1990s is an era in which Bad Boy Records is growing by leaps and bounds and Diddy is getting rich as fuck. We are talking Diddy the insane pile. The cash pile's so large that your only option is to either get really into cocaine or start a series of ill conceived small businesses.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yes, yeah, absolutely.
Will Menaker
Diddy, I'm sure, does both, actually. So I had two choices. Perfect. I was gonna sit in that failure.
Chris Patterson Rosso
Or I was gonna make a decision.
Gabe Gonzalez
To step out of the darkness. We're like into the darkness, buddy.
Will Menaker
He steps out of the darkness to launch a restaura called Justin. This is named after his oldest son. He starts the first Justin in New York City in 1997, and he franchises it out to Atlanta the following year. The New York location shuts down after about a decade. Sean claims because he wanted to find a larger location, but he just never opens a new one. I think it just failed.
Gabe Gonzalez
This is the story of my mom when she said she was gonna build the house on top of the basement.
Will Menaker
That we lived in.
Gabe Gonzalez
And then we just lived in a basement for like eight years. Good times, mom. Thanks, Ye.
Will Menaker
This is Diddy's version of that. Now the Atlanta location hangs on a little while longer. It eventually shuts down in 2012. Why? Here's a summary from an article in BET. In July 2011, Diddy was sued after music executive Tony Austin, a patron of the Atlanta eatery, was shot in the parking lot. Austin, former A and R for Def Jam and the president of Russell Simmons Music Group, says he was in his car listening to music with another man when someone opened fire on the vehicle. Austin alleged that the proprietors of Justin's were aware of dangerous and hazardous, hazardous conditions at the establishment, but failed to provide warning or security.
Gabe Gonzalez
Now isn't that something?
Will Menaker
Isn't that something? Shocking, Shocking.
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Will Menaker
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Will Menaker
Now. By the time Justin's opened, Shawn had split from Justin's mother to date a model named Kim Porter, who gave him his second son in 1998. He launched a fashion label, Shon John.
Gabe Gonzalez
Shon John.
Will Menaker
Shon John. Oh, man.
Gabe Gonzalez
And it was the it brand, you know, that was the shit. It was boss. And Sean John and Fubu, man, we.
Will Menaker
Can say markedly more successful than his restaurant.
Gabe Gonzalez
Absolutely.
Robert Evans
Also, I need to fact check you on the oldest son thing. He has an adopted son who's older, named Quincy.
Will Menaker
Oh, okay. And his adopted son who is older, named Quincy. Sure. Interesting. Fascinating name. Now, that year, the year that he starts Sean John, he is nominated for five Grammys. If you want to know what a Grammy looks like, just look Behind Will and 2 is right on camera.
Gabe Gonzalez
The light actually went off, I guess. But, you know, I wasn't in the mood to turn it back on. I noticed it in episode.
Will Menaker
You got it fucking backlit. Was the first thing you did with that? Take a shot out of it?
Gabe Gonzalez
Oh, yeah, absolutely. In fact, I think you know what, to be fair, this is behind the Bastards. We should do this on air. Because, like, you know, it's like, how.
Will Menaker
What else do you do when you get a Grammy? Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
So also true. I need you to understand that when I got this Grammy, I was about to have a kid at the time, I had a bad month where my car, the transmission died. It's just a. Basically, my point is I had like, maybe like $500 in my account. I still spent $200 on a bottle of Don Julio.
Will Menaker
Priorities are important in life.
Gabe Gonzalez
So that I could take a shot out of my grammy.
Will Menaker
That's right, folks, because that's the only.
Gabe Gonzalez
Reason to get one of these things.
Robert Evans
You didn't.
Gabe Gonzalez
What kind of. Like, what kind of person gets this? To brag to their friends? No, like, this is to take shots at it because it's funny.
Will Menaker
And you're not gonna get content like this from the Pod Save America guys.
Gabe Gonzalez
You're not getting it from the Bulwark.
Will Menaker
You're not getting it from last podcast on the Left Only behind the Bastards.
Gabe Gonzalez
You know, this is basically when Elon smoked a blow.
Will Menaker
And honestly, maybe Joe Rogan should. Joe Rogan? Y. You might get this on Joe Rogan. I'm not gonna lie.
Gabe Gonzalez
Although we would both be racist and one of us have some sex pest.
Will Menaker
Crimes behind us, you would be trying to convince my listeners to. I don't Know, inject bleach into their assholes in order to build muscle mass. Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
Eating like 600. Like worms or silkworms.
Will Menaker
Specifically silkworms.
Gabe Gonzalez
You have to eat silkworms for your colon health. You know, it's like everybody else.
Will Menaker
I'd be trying. Well, I do actually think you should eat more elk. It's delicious now.
Gabe Gonzalez
Elk is delicious.
Will Menaker
It's very tasty now. So that year, the same year he opened Sean John, he gets nominated for five Grammys. Bad Boy pulls in $130 million in revenue.
Gabe Gonzalez
What year is that?
Will Menaker
That is 98. 98.
Gabe Gonzalez
Oh, 98. 98. Okay. So do you know what Grammys those were that he won that?
Will Menaker
I don't know. I could have looked that up. But I'm a hack and a fraud. Now, from this point forward in the story, Sean has infinite money. Right? Which he still does, basically. Now, as I noted last episode, he'd always had a knack for throwing media driven parties. And now that he was actually a major celebrity himself, he kicked things up several notches. 1998 is also the year of his first white party. These were the events where he'd invite piles of celebrities to his mansion in the Hamptons for what inevitably became the big event of the summer. And part of it is he becomes like the first black guy to move into this very rich white neighborhood. The white parties are in part how he kind of makes white. His neighbor's cool with him, is like, hey, you're some like lame bank CEO. You can be at this party with these cool people.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, this is starting to happen in the era of the Internet, right? It's like this is 98. This is like the beginning of the Internet where like being seen with all these different, like cool hit people that are like big. Cause the white part is you see the pictures of them. It's the everybody's of all of entertainment.
Will Menaker
Yeah. And everyone wears white because Diddy thought he looked good in white. And to be honest, like, I don't want to be complimenting the man, but he doesn't look bad. That's not a bad look for him. That's not a bad look for him.
Gabe Gonzalez
Parties like legit. It's like a pair of air ones, dude. They look good the first time you wear them. And that is white, dude. White is the first time you wear it. It is the most beautiful, pristine, amazing looking thing now.
Will Menaker
Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
Then you have what, like 9:30, 10pm that white starts getting kind of grody, you know?
Will Menaker
Well, part of what I love is you can really see the whole like he is, you know, part of the point of these parties is for like people who are rich but not very cool to get to feel cool. Look at some of the people below him, like that guy in the front, like they're just wearing white T shirts. You don't look like a rap star. You get this wild mix of like beautiful people and also sometimes beautiful people looking just like normal weirdos at a party. Which I always think is really interesting. You've got like, part of it is because these first white parties are from the era before. Like there's no social media, so there's no social media filters. Photoshop tools aren't as easy to use. So you get a lot of shots of famous people actually looking like normal people at a party. Like, here's Leo DiCaprio and some other dudes drinking champagne, smoking cigarettes and like not particularly looking like they're crazy rich and famous. Like Leo looks like a pretty normal.
Gabe Gonzalez
For sure.
Will Menaker
Yeah. And then Sophie's going to show you next Regis Philbin. Yeah, Regis. Here's a photo of Regis Philbin and I can only describe the look on his face. He looks like he is smiling like the devil. Like he, like you would cast him in Needful Things. He is selling you a cursed Victrola. That's how Regis looks in this photo. And there's a couple other middle aged white dudes in there, one of whom is grabbing a young woman's arm in a way that I would say looks kind of off putting to me. But I don't know what was going on.
Robert Evans
Is that Vera Wang?
Will Menaker
Is that Vera Wang?
Robert Evans
He's the wedding dress designer. I can't, I don't, I can't tell. I don't know, it's kind of grainy.
Will Menaker
All of these people are rich, Some of them are famous. I don't think that bald guy got famous for being a hip hop star.
Gabe Gonzalez
The only poor people at these parties were the people catering it.
Will Menaker
Yeah. You know, and the people being sex.
Gabe Gonzalez
Trafficked and sex trafficking.
Will Menaker
Look at Regis.
Robert Evans
Regis is like, I'm not touching anybody.
Will Menaker
Like the devil. Yeah.
Robert Evans
My hands are too much.
Will Menaker
You can see both of my hands. I ain't fucking up this. What was it? Was it he wants to be a millionaire at this point.
Gabe Gonzalez
I wish that we could just really see like if there was like guilt aura around every person that existed in this picture. Like green to red in a scale of colors. And the redder you are, the guiltier you are as a human being because.
Will Menaker
Ooh, foo foo.
Gabe Gonzalez
Foo foo.
Will Menaker
Ooh, yeah. That's gonna be a fascinating shade above that crowd there. Everyone's gonna have an aura that looks like the drink of the guy on the left, which is red.
Gabe Gonzalez
You are just as likely to be completely innocent in one of those places.
Will Menaker
Well, and here's the thing.
Gabe Gonzalez
As you are to be parties complicit in all the bullshit he did.
Will Menaker
There are definitely, especially at the end, at the after parties, the night parts which not everyone stays for. There are definitely some sex crimes here. These are not the Diddy parties where most of the sex trafficking crimes are happening. Right.
Gabe Gonzalez
Definitely should be mentioned that these are two different events.
Will Menaker
There's a reason for it. The white parties are his pr. This is where he goes.
Gabe Gonzalez
There is legitimacy into the rich white community, like the Hamptons and all that bullshit, but also, you know, like their legitimacy into the black community as well.
Will Menaker
Right, right. And that is the point of these. And so these are largely less sketchy events for that reason. And it is his. He has another kind of party with another name that we'll be talking about. That is where most of it. I'm not saying, like, there's no sex crimes happening here. There's definitely drugs. But the fact that someone was at a white party doesn't mean that they committed sex crimes. So I'm not saying Regis Philbin is a sex pest. I don't know Regis. Maybe there have been allegations against him. If so, then I guess I am. But I don't know that. But these are his show parties and he's a lot more careful about what happens here. The other parties, the parties you have heard stories about with the baby oil and the sex crimes are what he called his freak off parties. Like a dance off, but you know, with your freak.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, get your freak on. Yeah. I shouldn't laugh there of dark. They're dark.
Will Menaker
These are the sex crime parties. If someone went to a freak off, you should assume they did some bad stuff.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yes. In almost every single one of these stories, there is a victim. There is very little willing participants of these things. Like even the people who are willing participants might be coerced. Willing participants. It's very murky with a lot of the stuff that goes on, a lot of power.
Will Menaker
Blurred lines, you could say.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah. And again, this is definitely the place where we start talking about where blurred lines, the idea.
Will Menaker
Blurred lines. And people are also just doing lines. Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yes. Yeah, definitely. He wasn't explicitly making me do this, but I knew that I could not say no type shit. And that is very, very Strong in the Diddy story for sure.
Will Menaker
And another big part of it is. Cause there's different gradients of cases. A lot of these people are like, well, yeah, I said yes and I agreed and nobody threatened me. But also I was there because I had just gotten started in this industry and I'm in front of the guy who could make my career. And like, I didn't think I had any other opt. Like these are also some of the.
Gabe Gonzalez
Things that, I mean, we're into now. The beginning of the Justin Bieber territory, which is like very much the Usher situation between Puffy and Usher and then Usher and Justin Bieber. And Justin Bieber. And there is a lot of like questionable interactions, like Justin Bieber spending a weekend at Puffy's house at like what, like 12 years old or something like that. There's like some weird activity that happened that at the time we saw it happen and we were like, huh, okay, you know, like. But like everybody now is definitely able to look at those situations, be like, that's actually. Yeah, no, that's weird. You know, but the 90s, hey, let's be fair.
Will Menaker
It was the 90s or early 2000s, you know, when we're talking about Bieber, it's probably fine for 12 year old justin Bieber to be at Diddy's house.
Gabe Gonzalez
Who am I to judge?
Will Menaker
Who are we to judge? We should have judged.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, we should have.
Will Menaker
We should have been judging at the white parties. Like the most intense photo I've seen is Sean pouring champagne over what the New York Post describes as 2 unidentified near naked women. It doesn't look nearly as sketchy as they describe it. The Post and a lot of other tabloid coverage of these events does tend towards sensationalism about the wrong things. For example, this piece from September inside Sean Diddy Combs Hampton. Sex parties featuring gay rappers who were high on ketamine. And like you and I have both been to parties with gay rappers high on ketamine. That's not the problem.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, not at all.
Will Menaker
Gay rappers are doing ketamine. That's not what's the issue here.
Gabe Gonzalez
Some would say that was the best part of the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will Menaker
Those gay rappers probably not committing sex crimes. Although maybe sometimes, you know.
Gabe Gonzalez
But the point is, here's the thing. It's like those white parties, those were, those were press events. You don't have press at sex crime parties. You have press at the Venice.
Will Menaker
Unless they're committing sex crimes, right?
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, unless you, you know, that's part of the blackmail, you know, but, like, not that the two Venn diagram circles didn't interconnect, but without it, you know, it's like, you don't invite the press to the parties where you're gonna do the bad shit.
Will Menaker
No, no. Cause he's not. Again, he's not stupid. That's why he got away with this for so long. Now I'm not sure how seriously to take this Post article, which has its source as just one anonymous coke dealer, which, again, not necessarily the most credible people on the planet. But here's a quote. The dealer said Diddy opened the door to his former Hamptons mansion while wearing nothing but a robe and brought him to a back bedroom to make a cocaine deal. Weird shit was starting to happen. Celebrity guys fucking each other. There were back bedrooms and it was like the inner sanctum. And this dealer talks about it like, I lost a lot of respect for those guys. He is not talking about the sex crazy. He's talking about, like just people having gay sex.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah.
Will Menaker
Famous people fucking each other in a gay way. Which is like, fine, that's not the issue here.
Gabe Gonzalez
I don't want the representatives to be talking about any of this stuff. But yeah, as far as I have ever experienced inside of like, the hip hop culture of America, it has only recently become taboo to say the f. Slur. It's not like that was an insult for most of the 2000s. You know, it's like it did not until, like 2015, feel like it fell off the radar for that to be part of like, your insult to another person is that they have gay sex with a person. So it's like, certainly there is a vested interest in not publicizing this. And people not knowing that it exists.
Will Menaker
Could be very dangerous.
Gabe Gonzalez
Being a secret of your. Because you would be looked at differently, especially at this time. But even now you would be looked at differently for these types of actions.
Will Menaker
And there's, you know, the dealer claims he also saw a mix of female rappers and prostitutes having sex there. And that's kind of where we do get into. Cause again, some of. There's probably some. Some trafficking at the white parties. And it's unclear to me, is he talking about a white party or a freak off? It's at the Hamptons a little bit unclear, but we'll get to that later.
Gabe Gonzalez
Real quick on that same point. I just want to say, at any event, right. Whether you are in fact a prostitute or not, like, there is a certain amount of hiring of females to be at a party, to be overly friendly to the people at the party, right? Yes, it's one. It's very good to look like there's a lot of beautiful women here, for sure. But also for the people that come to these things, they want to feel like there's girls that are there, that are interested in them. This happens all the way from the normal Hollywood club type event all the way up to these parties. So it's not like when you talk about the sex trafficking element of all of these things. It may be somewhat innocent, but there's always an element of hiring women to be morally available in ways at parties, you know?
Will Menaker
Yeah, absolutely. Now, in 1999, Diddy was arrested on felony charges of assault and criminal mischief. The chain of events began when Diddy was featured in the music video Hate Me now with Nas. Both Diddy and Nas were crucified on a cross, which Diddy later decided was sacrilegious and asked to have cut. That's his line. That's his line.
Gabe Gonzalez
Crazy. That's where he calls it. Hey, man, do not portray me as Jesus being crucified on. Although I'm not gonna lie, 12 year old me or whatever it was. I thought that was the banginest video I ever seen in my life. Like, I remember that coming out and I remember seeing it. It was on trl. And I remember my mind being blown just like, oh, my God, they crucified them. That's so sacrilegious. So to be fair, as a Roman Catholic kid growing up in Pennsylvania in the 90s, I did kind of think, yeah, holy shit, that was sacrilegious. Like, perspective is a very important piece of this whole thing. And in the 90s, that was sacrilegious as hell. You know, like, that was some, like, Marilyn Manson level of sacrilege going on inside of the community.
Will Menaker
Oh, man. So that's what flips him out. And when he decides, like, hey, cut this out. And then they air the unedited version anyway. And when the version with him being crucified airs, he blames the president of Interscope Records, Steve Stout. And he bursts into Stout's office with some goons and assaults him with, quote, a chair, a telephone and a champagne bottle. Stout said of the beating, one minute I'm in the middle of a meeting and the next minute I'm down on the floor and Puffy and his guys are kicking and pounding me. One of them picks up a chair and throws it at me. Then Puffy throws my desk over and they just walk out like nothing happened. And his stance is. I think they were trying to kill me and I just, you know, happened to not die. I don't know. I wasn't there. He seems to say it was very serious. Combs turned himself in a few days later and was charged with felony assault. He was freed on $15,000 bail and ultimately pled down to a misdemeanor. His sentence was one day of court ordered anger management. Oh Jesus. That's what hundreds of millions of dollars gets you in lawyers.
Gabe Gonzalez
That's the thing is like money is the savior of all problems.
Will Menaker
Yeah, yeah, nearly all. Like as with Epstein, you can eventually hit a line. Speaking of hitting a line, my line is it's time for ads. So here you go.
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Gabe Gonzalez
I mean, you know, we have this amazing celebrity worship culture in our country. It's just inevitable time, right? It's like we will, no matter who find some sort of martyr or savior or just God in whatever exists inside celebrity, they. We're happy to have that. We're happy to have somebody that we can go to a courthouse on our day off of work and cheer when.
Will Menaker
They get off after. Probably shooting a woman in the face.
Gabe Gonzalez
Probably shooting someone.
Will Menaker
It's one of those. One of the things that's amazing is that like, if you read that, like a dispute ensued, shots were fired by. Diddy is so rich at this point that he has become included by journalists in the special exonerative grammatical case that only get. Normally it's like for cops, right? Shots were fired, someone was hit, there was a gun, an unregistered illegal gun in his possession. Okay.
Gabe Gonzalez
It's just so funny, man.
Will Menaker
Amazing. Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
The whole situation, there's still a lot of like, what happened. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. The story gets really convoluted. There's stuff coming out right now about it, you know, that it's been 20 years and we're still just now getting, like, the pieces that come out about stuff about like, oh, this actually happened or this person was involved. So it's definitely a bit of like, you know, lost to time and the whole concept of how unreliable human beings are at, like, recounting things that have happened to them. Even completely sober, with no issues, not at a Club at 2 o'clock in the morning in New York.
Will Menaker
You know, I have clear procedural memories of about 30% of our friendship, Will.
Gabe Gonzalez
It's all flashes.
Will Menaker
It's like all flashes. It's moments.
Gabe Gonzalez
It's a Polaroid puking in her in my parking lot. Turns out.
Will Menaker
So Combs thanked God after the verdict and made a big show of going to church after. To further separate himself from the event, he changed his name officially to P. Diddy. Telling Vanity Fair, when I changed names, I put periods on those eras. And the P. Diddy era, I love that. Got off from a fucking club shooting time to become P. Diddy. The P. Diddy era was lucrative indeed. He released more albums, he acted in several movies, and he started producing reality television. He gets that Ciroc vodka deal, right? Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
This is Kennedy Kane era, right?
Will Menaker
Yeah, yeah. Yep.
Robert Evans
Making the band.
Will Menaker
Yep.
Gabe Gonzalez
Making the band.
Will Menaker
In 2002, he won awards for his menswear fashion line. Sean John did cause a minor scandal for him when it was found that the clothing he sold was made in Honduran sweatshops with a terrible record for workers rights.
Gabe Gonzalez
It happens, doesn't it? It happens, yeah. You know you're gonna try and get that cost.
Will Menaker
Gonna be some sweatshots. Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
Gonna have to switch up.
Will Menaker
None of that kept him down for long. In 2004, he performed at the Super Bowl. He started his famous Vote or Die campaign that election season.
Gabe Gonzalez
Oh, man, that was huge. If you were a teenager in the 90s, you'd be.
Will Menaker
P. Diddy was telling you to vote.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yep. P. Diddy was recommending people to you.
Will Menaker
Yeah. Money continued to flow by the hundreds of millions. As the Bush years came to an end, P. Diddy changed his name yet again, this time dropping the P and becoming just Diddy Diddy. His white parties remained infamous social events, but he also held increasing numbers of freak offs. These were not for public consumption and acted as an opportunity for him to provide himself and his celebrity friends with endless young women, drugs and young women on drugs.
Robert Evans
Ew.
Will Menaker
This brings me to the story of Latroia Grayson, who had age 23, won tickets via a radio show to attend a Diddy party. Her only Recollections of the event were meeting Mary J. Blige, having a drink, and then blacking out because, again, she was drugged. She has hazy memories of 3 or 4 guys she didn't know taking her out of the room. She woke up in the hospital very ill and vomiting until she was released several hours later. Quote, I left with no shoes on. My shirt was kind of ripped. I noticed all my money was taken out of my purse except for, like, $20. I got robbed for my money. I had just enough to get back to a motel in a cab.
Gabe Gonzalez
That's so fucked up. Like, these people are also not wealthy people. They're doing this because they don't have money in the first place.
Will Menaker
She won a contest on the radio.
Gabe Gonzalez
And then you robbed anyway, Kitty's party.
Will Menaker
Now, she also says she realized afterwards that her vagina was sore. She's not certain what happened because, again, she was drugged.
Gabe Gonzalez
Drugged, yeah.
Will Menaker
Almost certainly not a good story. Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
I don't remember half the things that happened to me yesterday half sober. You know, literally. They found baby oil with GHB in it. They weren't fucking around up in that place.
Robert Evans
Horrible.
Gabe Gonzalez
In the wake of all this, I read a ton of stories of people that have recounted, like, their. Their Diddy situation. And so many of them, like, induced with drugs in the most despicable ways. The unexpected ways. Not even drinking ways, like the I had a soda ways, you know, like, not crossing even a boundary of alcohol, you know? And it's so. It's like to see this shit happen to people. It's. It's like. It's. It's targeted and mean and shitty. It's like. It's. It's this. Like, yes, it's evil. It is evil. I'm not a God person, but it's evil. It's like going after people that. That are just living normal lives and trying to.
Robert Evans
This person won a contest.
Gabe Gonzalez
Won a contest.
Robert Evans
And this is what. And this is how. And this is how it ended. Like, that's disgusting. Vile.
Will Menaker
Evil.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yes, it's horrible. It's like the type of shit that you're like, what the fuck? Like.
Will Menaker
And I'm not done with the story, unfortunately. I'm gonna read next from an article on msn. After the incident, Grayson flew back to her home state, Oklahoma, and it claims to have received an unsettling phone call the next day in which a female allegedly attempted to dissuade Grayson from speaking up regarding the ordeal. She recounted the anonymous woman's warning. She had all my information and Was basically telling me that I couldn't do anything about it, that Puff Daddy was a famous person and I wouldn't get anywhere with the issue if I to do anything. Puzzled, Grayson queried, so I'm like, well, how did you even get my phone number? Do you know anything about my money being missing? She's like, no, I don't know nothing about that. I'm like, well, I mean, how did you even get my phone number?
Gabe Gonzalez
Brutal, man. It's just so dark, dude. This manipulation, the power dynamic. As someone who has been in the industry, right, it's like even people that.
Will Menaker
You'Re like a teenager, 20 year old girl, whatever, from fucking Oklahoma with no money and he is goddamn P. Diddy.
Gabe Gonzalez
Let me put this in perspective for people, for real. I was going into the music industry. I was a 26 year old male, 6 foot tall, 185 pounds, in the pretty decent shape with combat experience because I was an ex marine with combat experience who had been shot 28 times. I felt pressure from people at times. I felt pressured to do things that I didn't want to do at times, you know?
Will Menaker
Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
So in perspective of like being just like a naive person trying to get into the music industry, like young, like, like no real harsh life experience, it is easy to see that you could be asked to do something, be put in positions you don't wanna be in and how far people will make you go just because you're afraid, because you're like actually believe that you have power that I don't understand.
Will Menaker
And we're talking about the people who know something was done to them and who have spoken out about it. For every one of these, not only are there obviously there are people who haven't spoken up, but there are also people who may be years away from actually coming to grips with. No, actually that was bad. That was like really fucked up what happened. I even thought about it as like a good thing for a while or at least like a mixed thing bag for him. But like, no, that was actually really fu. Like there's people coming to terms with that right now still.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, absolutely.
Will Menaker
Grayson is not yet part of any of the ongoing lawsuits against Sean, but her case represents the edge of how women were victimized at his events. Right. In that she's not entirely sure what happened or even if she was sexually assaulted because again, drugs. But the well lit photos full of celebrities existed for one purpose. To burnish Sean's image in order to keep his famous and wealthy friends happy and to sate his own desires. He also had to bring in, as you stated, all of these young women to be at the. To act as party favors. Right. That's how we bring. You have these radio contests. Some of them are paid sex workers, some of them are women. Okay. You've just gotten started in your career, you know, in the music industry or as a model. You're at a low level in it right now. Why don't you, like, come over to this party? You know, like, why don't you. You know, and then you get there, and then you get coerced. Some of the women at these parties are paid sex workers, but many of them are, like, great women are being poached in one way or another. Right. There's a different method for all of them. And that means Diddy's not handling this himself. He has a team of people who are using different methods constantly to find women. Because these parties are happening in the.
Gabe Gonzalez
1970S equivalent of the roadie who picks the girls out of the concert, you know, that look like they're down more.
Will Menaker
People than work at the company Sophie and I run. Their job is just to keep young women coming to these parties. Absolutely. He is spending God knows how many millions of dollars a year on just that part of it. Right.
Gabe Gonzalez
And it shows. Even when he was busted in Florida, I believe it was like he had a drug mule with him at the time. He was always employing people to be the bad guy in the situation.
Will Menaker
Right. You have someone drive ahead of you with the drugs.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, yeah. You give that shit to somebody else, that's their problem. If they get caught, you have accepted. You are the one that goes to jail. You say, yes, this is mine, and you go to jail. That's the accepted position of that person for sure.
Will Menaker
Yeah. Precious Muir, a former Playboy model, was one of the women who attended a number of his parties. She claims that he provided a car service to drive models to and from the events and that Diddy had agents basically picking women out in public and plying them with invites. She summarized the pitch one of these guys gave her. As I host these amazing parties, everything is taken care of. You don't have to worry about anything. We provide accommodation. So when you go to the Hamptons, there is a house you can stay at, which is very beautiful, very lavish, very stylish, and you don't have to worry about anything. You don't have to pay for anything. Everything is covered. At the time she started attending, Precious was new to the industry, without power or connections. Being invited to these parties seemed like the opportunity Of a lifetime. You can impress these guys, make your career, and then you're just kind of. As she said, we were kind of thrown in at the deep end. Amongst all these people that are well established, People automatically knew that we were new faces, we were new talent, and we were vulnerable. We were seen maybe as fresh meat.
Gabe Gonzalez
The power of influence. The power of, like, being able to change your life in a moment.
Will Menaker
Oh, yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
You know, like, we have a thousand of these stories. We have a thousand of bone thugs in the studio. One woman came in and sang the hook, and it was the moment of her, like, that's the thing that keeps that shit going is the dream.
Will Menaker
If you're in entertainment, I can say, like, when I was new in my career, if I had had to do something horrible for myself and my brain and body in order to get a break as a writer when I was a baby writer, like, I thought about it, like, I was like, yeah, I'll do anything. Right? Like, that's where your head is if you're trying to break in. And that's why so much bad stuff happens, right?
Gabe Gonzalez
It's the hardest. I mean, the reward is so great.
Will Menaker
Right?
Gabe Gonzalez
The reward of being, like, at the top of this industry is so great that it is really hard to deny that there is, like, when you want it that bad, right. You want it bad enough to put in 80 hours, 100 hours a week doing it. Right. You also want it bad enough to, like, cross some lines every now and then, you know? And it's difficult to.
Will Menaker
Yeah. Does it matter what happens to me? Right? Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
Right, right. Everybody goes through that thing. It's like, okay, I'm fine as long as it just fucks me up. Right? Like, that's really the thing. It's just gonna fuck me up.
Will Menaker
Like, I can take some trauma.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, yeah. I can take some trauma.
Will Menaker
That.
Gabe Gonzalez
Dude, everybody that's been in this industry for real, knows that it's fine if it's fucking me up. Now, I have had my own moments of, like, no, no, no, I won't watch you fuck somebody else up, you know?
Will Menaker
Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
And I won't watch you do this to another person.
Will Menaker
And the problem is that there's just so many people who don't have that line. Right, Right.
Gabe Gonzalez
Of course, the line is also, I'll let you fuck me up. You know, Like, I'll let you ruin me. And so it's like, as long as no one else is seeing that, it's okay.
Will Menaker
Yeah. So because of the nature of how the lawsuits are coming out, over this, I have no choice but to jump around. So I'm just going to stay right now. In February of 2024, a record producer named Rodney Jones Jr. Filed a federal complaint against Sean, accusing him of running a human trafficking network to stock his parties with women and girls from a write up in Vulture. According to Jones, as he alleges in the complaint, Combs reached out to Jones in 2022 to help him produce songs. But Jones claims the work Combs required of him went far beyond producing music. He claims in the lawsuit that he was tasked with procuring drugs and soliciting sex workers to perform sex acts for the pleasure of Mr. Combs. Jones alleges that Combs also required him to tape these sex acts and that Combs would often threaten to inflict bodily harm on him if he did not comply with his demands. Jones alleged in his complaint that Combs kept specific bottles of alcohol designated for females on hand. And according to Mr. Jones, Mr. Combs forced all the women to drink laced Deleon liquor upon information and belief. Mr. Combs laced the liquor with ecstasy, the lawsuit claims. He also accuses Combs of sexual harassment and assault for allegedly grabbing him without his consent and forcing him to work while Combs paraded around naked. Jones also alleges that Combs once left him alone in a makeshift studio on a yacht with Cuba Gooding Jr. Cuba Gooding Jr. God damn it.
Gabe Gonzalez
I have been twitching with anticipation.
Will Menaker
Yeah, here's where Cuba comes in.
Gabe Gonzalez
God damn it. Cuba Gooding Jr. Oh my God, dude. The fucking Cuba Gooding Jr.
Will Menaker
If you start to know he gropes.
Gabe Gonzalez
The guy, folks, he is the worst. Cuba Gooding Jr. If you are watching on YouTube right now or whatever, I wonder what's going.
Will Menaker
On in your life.
Gabe Gonzalez
I'm twitching, waiting for Cuba Gooding Jr's name to come out of your mouth because goddamn Cuba Gooding Jr. The disgusting piece of shit Cuba Gooding Jr. Every read spend 10 minutes of your life and read about what Cuba Good Jr did to this guy. And and then follow that up with a cursory. I mean the least everything else he's done. Google search of anything else he's done. That guy is the biggest piece of shit that has ever existed.
Will Menaker
If you've ever wondered like we all did for a period of time after he won that Oscar, why hasn't he been in thing. Because he's a fucking monster.
Gabe Gonzalez
Because he's a monster. Because he's a fucking monster. This is my Hannibal Burtis, Bill Cosby moment. Fucking Cuba Gooding Jr. Is a monster. And we need to enact laws and federal goddamn statutes against this person. He is a horrible human being. And. And what he has done to the world is disgusting.
Will Menaker
Take the sanctions off of Cuba, the country and put them off of. Onto Cuba, the guy.
Gabe Gonzalez
Immediately. Immediately.
Robert Evans
You know who he did play, though?
Gabe Gonzalez
Radio.
Robert Evans
He played O.J. simpson in that.
Gabe Gonzalez
And to be honest, he was killed.
Will Menaker
He played OJ In. In the TV show where Ross from Friends played Robin.
Paris Hilton
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Robert Evans
One of your favorite things.
Will Menaker
One of my favorite things.
Gabe Gonzalez
Jews, dude. It breaks my heart every time I think about that thing because, like, oh, God, Cuban. Gooden Jr's a horrible human being. He did horrible things and somehow knocks.
Will Menaker
It out of the park. Is OJ Knocks it out of the park?
Gabe Gonzalez
No, but, like, has managed to evade all of this puffy, like, shit.
Will Menaker
Hopefully that's coming to an end now. Cause stuff about him, more stuff is coming out about him. You know, we could talk more about him, but I think we've made our point here.
Gabe Gonzalez
He'll get his own episode. Give it time.
Will Menaker
Yeah. Combs lawyers have denied the allegations and described Jones as a con man. Subsequent allegations and the federal indictment against Combs seem to back up a number of the allegations made by Jones a few months before Jones filed that complaint in February. In December of 2023, a Jane Doe filed a lawsuit in Manhattan alleging that she was gang raped and trafficked by Combs and Bad Boy Records president Harvey Pierre when she was in the 11th grade. These allegations comport with the scenario Precious Muir described in her interview with the Mirror. Apparently, Pierre met this 11th grader at a lounge in Detroit and used Diddy's name to draw her in. Combs then approached and told her, hey, you're welcome on my private jet, which was flying to his studio. Once they were there, she was given lots of drugs and, quote, gang raped by Combs, Pierre, and an unknown third person. There are a lot of other hideous details that I'm leaving out. So we don't. You know, I think the term gang rape is.
Gabe Gonzalez
Make no mistake, this is a story that repeats itself dozens and dozens of times across every civilization to the point where it starts to be like, oh, my God, we missed Jimmy Savile for, like, 60 years. We didn't see it.
Will Menaker
He's getting his episode soon too.
Gabe Gonzalez
Don't you worry. We missed. Missed it all. Oh, man.
Will Menaker
Turns out we almost always do.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, yeah, we miss it a lot of times. Turns out we're not as brilliant as we think we are. The rumors abounded. There was Tons of it. Like, you hear it all the time, but you just make, like, you make the decisions to keep yourselves out of.
Will Menaker
Those situations on a smaller scale, just being. You know, I've been in comedy. I was a jace. I was never a big standup guy, but, like, I did a little. And a lot of my friends did. I went out to regular events as I was employed in comedy. And, like, you just get told by people, you meet someone and they'll be like, oh, we should hang out. And then someone else will be like, don't hang out with him.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, yeah, don't hang out with that guy.
Will Menaker
Usually a woman that you work with who will say, like, that guy's a piece of shit. You don't want to know him. That guy's a piece of shit. You don't want to know him. That guy's a piece like that, you know?
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, right, right. And I said that earlier, too. It's like that old crusty dude that's like, hey, man, don't work with that guy, you know?
Will Menaker
Yeah. You don't want to be near the.
Gabe Gonzalez
You hear the stories for a long time before you're ever asked to do the things you know, and. But the problem comes when you don't hear the stories, you know, the problem comes when you are new to town and you're the first person to sit down.
Will Menaker
Yep. And somebody's like, hey, man, fucking Oklahoma. Right? And getting flown in. Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
All you know is the reputation of that person that exists in the tabloids or on the Internet. You don't know the story about, hey, man, don't go to those parties because it's not good, you know, bad shit.
Will Menaker
In 2006, Diddy's longtime partner, Kim Porter, gave birth to twins. That was the same year that a friend gave birth to his daughter, Chance. Kim considered this a betrayal and broke things off with Diddy. While all this was going on, he was also starting a quote, unquote relationship with a young woman named Cassandra Ventura. He had signed her to his label at age 19 and started a sexual relationship with her shortly thereafter. He was 37 at the time. It was Cassandra's allegations against him that would eventually open the floodgates of legal consequences for Diddy. But before we get to that, I'm gonna quote from the Independent summarizing just a series of his trials. In the mid aughts, eight months after his 2014 Howard commencement speech, TMZ reported that he punched Drake in a Miami nightclub because of a feud over a song, which in a rare case for these episodes. Points for Diddy on that. Six months later, he was arrested and charged in California with three counts of assault with a deadly weapon, one count of making terrorist threats, and one count of battery after allegedly attacking one of his son's football coaches at ucla. The assault reportedly involved a kettlebell, but prosecutors ultimately decided not to pursue felony.
Robert Evans
Charges cause his son Justin tried to play. By the way, son Justin is not big enough to play football, but like.
Will Menaker
Oh my God, you gotta do something real bad for me to be on the side of a football coach, guys. Anyway, speaking of football coaches coach on over to this podcast. Sorry, I don't know why I did that.
Robert Evans
You were almost there.
Gabe Gonzalez
Worse for that.
Will Menaker
We've been at this a while.
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Will Menaker
And we're back and finishing up the epic tale of.
Gabe Gonzalez
Epic tale of Gilgamesh and P. Diddy.
Robert Evans
Are we gonna get into the Cassie stuff now?
Will Menaker
We are. We're gonna get into the Cassie stuff now.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yes.
Will Menaker
Cassie, who was for a while his enkidu. If we're doing the Gilgamesh. Anyway, whatever. Let's talk Cassandra. After his split from Kim Porter, she was the woman largely seen as Diddy public partner. Right. She was a singer and a model in her own right.
Robert Evans
Super talented.
Will Menaker
Yeah, very talented. The two are generally depicted in media as like a power couple, Right?
Robert Evans
Sure.
Will Menaker
In a civil lawsuit filed earlier this year, Ms. Ventura claims that from the beginning, Shawn used his wealth and power to force her into a, quote, manipulative and coercive romantic and sexual relationship. He assaulted her constantly, beating and kicking her and regularly leaving, quote, black eyes, bruises and and blood. Cassandra describes his freak offs in her lawsuit and alleged that he would often secretly film the days of debauchery with his famous friends. The videotapes doubled as fuel for extortion if anyone crossed him, which is part of why his social circle was so loyal and so quiet for so long. Right. He has videos of them doing the crimes again. The movie Don't Blink really does cover a lot of this. And as A bonus has Christian Slater. And that's never a bad time.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, Christian Slater's amazing, man.
Will Menaker
He's fucking great. Yeah. I love him, dude.
Gabe Gonzalez
I love that guy.
Will Menaker
Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
It's dark, man. Like this. Do you talk about the fact that Kim Porter also dies? Do we touch that?
Will Menaker
Yes. At age 47. That hasn't happened yet, though. I mean, it's happened.
Gabe Gonzalez
There's a lot of, like, where it gets to the point where it's like, God, dude, like, the people around you.
Robert Evans
So many things.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, there's just too many things. The Kid Cudi explosion, like, of his car, where he says his car.
Will Menaker
Yes, yes, yes, the kid cut it. Yes.
Gabe Gonzalez
There's so many things that you're like, oh, my God, dude, you are a bad person.
Will Menaker
Yes.
Gabe Gonzalez
You're a bad. There's something bad about you. And I just like, every person has a, oh, did you ever work with this guy? Type story? It's like, it's. It's one of those, like, badges of honor almost. Sometimes we're here in the industry where it's like, oh, yeah, man, I spent a week with Diddy, man. You know, it was crazy, man.
Will Menaker
Speaking of which, let's talk about the Kid Cudi story, because you hear about this first. In 2012, gossip blogs report that Cassie, who was dating Kid Cudi at the time, and Diddy had had a fight in a club. And now in the lawsuit, Cassie claims that Diddy, quote, blew up a man's car after he learned he was romantically interested in Ventura. And here's my favorite quote. This is from the salon.com article. The new York Times said through a spokesperson that Kid Cudi confirmed Cassie's account that his car exploded in his driveway. This is all true.
Gabe Gonzalez
He said, oh, my God. Yeah.
Will Menaker
Just a car explosion.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah.
Will Menaker
No way to say who did it.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah. Hey, man, who knows? I was pissing this one dude off and sometimes shit happens.
Will Menaker
Sometimes shit happens.
Robert Evans
Also, like, Cuddy's cool.
Will Menaker
Yeah. I don't know anything about him, but he's cool. And he has one less car than he would otherwise have. We can say that for sure.
Robert Evans
So true.
Will Menaker
Robert, from the New York Times, quote, cassie, in her lawsuit said that Mr. Combs directed frequent freak offs at high end hotels around the country, directing her at the events to pour air excessive amounts of oil on herself and tell her where to touch the prostitutes while he filmed and masturbated. We're not going to like go into a ton of detail about the massive amount of baby oil, but there's a lot of it. Some of it's drug disease. Yeah. This is how it's being used.
Gabe Gonzalez
There was a reason why they confiscated like a thousand bottles of baby oil from a.
Will Menaker
Literally a thousand.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, it was like. It was like, there's a reason why that that happened. And there was absolutely to the point.
Robert Evans
Where Costco had to come out and be like, dog, we don't. We don't sell that shit.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, we don't sell that shit.
Robert Evans
We are not in on that shit.
Will Menaker
The only reason I of to drug it is because you are getting it inside people in their mucous membranes.
Gabe Gonzalez
Or absorbing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Will Menaker
Like fucking MDMA or whatever isn't going to absorb things.
Gabe Gonzalez
It's not a bodily. Yeah, exactly.
Will Menaker
In someone's vagina. And so again, like, it's just. It's hideous. Right. Like, we don't need to belabor that point. I think you get it. Right. Cassie says in her lawsuit he treated the forced encounter as a personal art project. Adjusting the candles he used for lighting to frame the videos that he took.
Gabe Gonzalez
Bro, this is an auteur.
Will Menaker
He's an auteur of sex crimes.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah.
Will Menaker
I wonder if he and Epstein ever partied. They certainly had the opportunity.
Gabe Gonzalez
I don't know. But Trump's the common link, which is hilarious because it's.
Will Menaker
Right.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, of course. You say, Diddy is a great guy. He's my friend. And also you're best friends with Epstein.
Will Menaker
Yeah, yeah. In 2018, Kim Porter passes away. The cause of death was initially listed as deferred, but it was later confirmed that she died of pneumonia.
Gabe Gonzalez
Right. And there's a lot of conspiracy theory to. Not conspiracy talk.
Will Menaker
There's a lot of people.
Gabe Gonzalez
But to be fair, I know King Combs posted. He posted that there has never been any question amongst children that his dad was.
Will Menaker
People do just die sometimes.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yes. It's absolutely reasonable to say that people do in fact just die sometimes.
Will Menaker
But, yeah, again, people have also said maybe that death should be looked into and probably not a bad idea. Take a look. Take a look.
Gabe Gonzalez
JFK's head just exploded, dude. Like, I don't know if you know that. He just did. Just did that.
Will Menaker
Presidents just do that sometimes. It's a preexisting condition.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah. Pre existing.
Will Menaker
In 2017, Diddy changed his name yet again. He told the world he would now go by Love or Brother Love. And apparently.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, I didn't know this.
Will Menaker
A lot of people miss this era. I knew this.
Robert Evans
I fucking knew this.
Gabe Gonzalez
This is the Snoop Lyon era of Diddy.
Will Menaker
He legally changes his Name. Because Love is his legal middle name. He tells Vanity Fair at the time. Love is a mission. I feel like that's one of the biggest missions that will actually shift things. But besides that, we. The world is different. We have the Internet, we have the power, we have a culture. I have us on a five year plan. First off, fucking talking like Stalin there. Second, that was more than five years ago. How'd the plan work out? Did he.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, yeah, that one.
Will Menaker
More loving.
Gabe Gonzalez
Did you fix it? Oh, man. Good job, bro.
Will Menaker
Fucking Joseph Diddy Beria. Fucking hell. Now, during this period, Diddy's public image remained mostly benign. In articles from.
Robert Evans
You know, he named his youngest baby Love, right?
Will Menaker
Yes, he did.
Robert Evans
Yeah.
Will Menaker
It happens with famous people. You see it with Elon Musk and X. You know, just name your kids something else. I don't care what you name your kids.
Gabe Gonzalez
What is wrong with you? Albert, you know?
Will Menaker
Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
Why we gotta be weird about everything?
Will Menaker
Yeah. Now, in articles from the time he was feted as a genius producer and interviewers seemed happy to ignore the numerous assault allegations that, you know, were kind of in the shadow but not too shadowy to have found, and the very public fact that he had definitely killed people through negligence and had them murdered. He even managed to avoid MeToo entirely. In fact, in that interview, he tells Vanity Fair the movement inspired him and, quote, showed me you can get maximum change.
Gabe Gonzalez
God damn it. God damn it. He didn't say a word about his.
Will Menaker
Friend Weinstein that he'd been fucking looking for a project with for seven years.
Gabe Gonzalez
I mean, honestly, sometimes times people are fucking out there doing the, you know, dodgeball equivalent of making it through life, you know, just, like, you can't get out.
Will Menaker
Like, dodged that bullet. Clearly, it's clean sailing from here on.
Gabe Gonzalez
Out, which is crazy because, I mean, Sophie will back me on this. The Danny, the Kane stuff, they talked about a lot of shit that he did.
Will Menaker
Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
So much super adjacent, you know, it's like, never sexual assault, but super adjacent.
Will Menaker
Yeah.
Robert Evans
I talked to Robert about this because.
Will Menaker
I was one of the first people.
Robert Evans
Aubrey O day.
Will Menaker
Yeah. Aubrey O'Day comes out for years, like, at least a couple of years, saying, I don't think she sees or has evidence. And obviously you don't want to casually, before all this breaks, call him a sexual. He has a lot of money.
Robert Evans
He can hurt you.
Gabe Gonzalez
Right.
Robert Evans
She was vocal about him for so many years.
Will Menaker
She did everything she could.
Robert Evans
But also she said Don Jr. Was her soulmate. So people, like, really stopped taking her and had an affair with him. There's like, a lot of stuff there, so people didn't believe her, but she was fucking right.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, Yeah.
Will Menaker
I think one of the most direct things she said in 2022, in an interview on the Call Her Daddy podcast, she said that Diddy had fired her because she, quote, wasn't willing to do what was expected. Not talent wise, but in other areas. Right, right.
Gabe Gonzalez
Brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal. Very clear what that means.
Will Menaker
Yeah. And here's another quote from an article. Again, this is before everything breaks in variety. This is 2019 called. Aubrey O'Day is still recovering from making the band PTSD. And making the Band is the reality show that Diddy made.
Robert Evans
All of them suffered so much. It's so horrible.
Will Menaker
Puff is a very difficult person to work with. Everything had to be perfect. I remember times where he looked at my toenails and was like, what is your third toenail doing? Go get that shit fixed before you walk into a room. Or we would be in rehearsals performing, an hour and a half seconds.
Gabe Gonzalez
Bitch, you get your toenails correct or I fucking end you.
Will Menaker
I would walk for five minutes with a camera and say, aubrey, why are you sweating? You look like a wet dog. You're the hot one. So you think anyone wants to see that? And again, this is all pretty minor next to all the horrible sex, drugs, but, like, he's a dick, too. Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
It's like, you understand? It's like somebody that will go to the lengths of, like, fucking with your third toe is like, the type of person that will make you feel worse about who you are. Yeah, yeah.
Robert Evans
Oh, guys, listen. I distinctly remember a clip from that show where all of them were presented to him, and he went one by one, critiquing their personal appearance. And the things he said were just horrific. Horrific and inhumane. But specifically, that story's crazy because Aubrey, basically, you can even see it in her morphed into whatever was asked of her, and then he'd tear that down, too.
Gabe Gonzalez
So, you know, devil's advocate, this stupid situation, because I hate to do it, but, like, yeah, I've been on the. I've been in reality shows. For some reason, when you want to, like, hire somebody to pretend to be an engineer in a reality show because all these people want to be musicians. Like, I get hired to do these, like, stupid reality shows, to play myself in a reality show. And so I've had these situations where I see the way it actually goes down, and it is absolutely people pushing the worst narrative. But here's the thing that I think that is really Important to understand about it is that some people, their worst is not that bad. You know, like in comparative speaking, it's like you see them do these like. Like, like, oh, they're trying to ham it up for tv. And they're not really good at being like, mean people. Right. You can feel the difference between somebody who's capable of actually coming up with shit that makes people feel horrible about themselves. You know, like, to really, like, be a shitty person towards somebody. And that's the type of thing that you see in this where it's like, man, to attack your toes, the way your toes look, to attack these arbitrary things. They know that that's something that cuts deep on a person, that makes them second guess themselves, deep inside themselves.
Will Menaker
Yep, yep, absolutely. So about five years after saying that he was inspired by MeToo in that article for Vanity Fair, Cassandra came forward with her lawsuit. And she was joined very quickly in a flood of lawsuits. Not all of the people charging Sean with sexual assault are women. We have mostly focused on that. But I want to be very clear that he is alleged of assaulting men too, not just through Cuba. One man, currently incarcerated in Michigan for kidnapping and criminal sexual conduct himself says that Diddy drugged and raped him in Detroit in 1997. A judgment which was briefly issued on that case. But Diddy's lawyers. Cause they hadn't appeared in court. Unclear to me what happened, you know, but like, that's not the only allegation of him abusing a man too. Right. I just wanna be clear about that. There's just less of it.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, it's damn near 50, 50 on the ratio on this. It's like, it's pretty even. He seems to be an equal opportunity.
Will Menaker
Sexual assaulter and he's got famous friends who are gay and creeps. Yeah.
Robert Evans
And there's also just like so many, like, allegedly things that have happened that like, obviously we can't comment as fact right now, but like, as this trial proceeds, I'm sure a lot more will come out. But there's a lot of grooming allegations as well.
Gabe Gonzalez
And to be very fair, it would be irresponsible to not mention the amount of people that will jump on a situation because they are themselves shitty people that will like jump on something. Oh, this happened to me. Because they see the wave and it will give them a tiny bit of respect or money or whatever the fuck. But without a doubt, there is actual allegations that exist inside of this that are horrifying. Yeah, horrifying and real, you know, so.
Will Menaker
There are so many of these allegations that we're not gonna cover more, right? Yeah, we've done it.
Gabe Gonzalez
Seven parter.
Will Menaker
I think this gives you a pretty good understanding of him. And the fact that I've cut out allegations which I've out like two for everyone I've included says nothing about the legitimacy of those. It's just a space thing. I should say a bit here about Christina Coram. K H O R R A M she was Combs chief of staff and is a co defendant in the Jones lawsuit. We talked about the lady from Oklahoma who was like brought into a party and drugged and possibly sexually assaulted and then called by a woman afterwards and threatened. I think there's a decent chance that was Christina Corum. Jones claims that Corum bought a lot of the drugs and actually handled the booking and paying of sex workers workers for Combs parties. She was his Gillan Maxwell, in other words. And also it's worth noting again, I keep bringing up that movie that I didn't appreciate as much until this all came out. Link twice. The woman who is. There's like an older woman who is like the creepy sex CEOs like, like Fixer and I. She's Christina Corum. That's who. I didn't realize how direct it was.
Gabe Gonzalez
There is always somebody who is adjacent and willing to use their vulnerability with people, you know, their ability to access the vulnerability of people, you know, that makes you feel like, oh, it's a woman. I don't have to worry about what they'll. There was always one of those. There is always one of those every single time.
Will Menaker
Yeah. And that's Christina Coram in this story. We'll see what happens to her. Sean Huffy Combs was arrested on September 16, 2024, several months after the FBI raided his LA mansion and ceased firearms, illegal drugs and more than 1,000 bottles of baby oil. Combs has denied all charges and pled not guilty. More recently, a judge declined to set bail for him, noting that he still posed a danger to the community.
Robert Evans
He gets denied bail like once a week. Motherfucker tries to get out once a week.
Will Menaker
Yeah, he's in the same part of the jail.
Gabe Gonzalez
Very recently there's been all sorts of allegations of him, you know, stealing phones or bribing other inmates to let him use their phone time and like to intimidate witnesses specifically. Like he's already in jail trying to run shit from what they say. So it's like, it's not like he's just chilling out in there being calm. He is absolutely still trying to run an intimidation game from inside prison.
Will Menaker
Yep. And that's the episode, everybody.
Gabe Gonzalez
Well, you know, I feel really good about money.
Will Menaker
Time to go party.
Gabe Gonzalez
Yeah, I just want to make a lot of money so I can do anything I want. I don't know, man. I'm with you. I think we just. We build an empire. Take it to the fda. We really take it to the fda.
Will Menaker
And that'll save us, you know, and our reputations. We'll die historic, you know, in a gunfight with the fda.
Gabe Gonzalez
That's all I want.
Will Menaker
That's the way to go down. Yeah.
Gabe Gonzalez
All I want is the dream world. Because they say you only die when the last person that remembers your name dies. You know, it's like.
Will Menaker
And every one of those FDA agents has got to remember us forever.
Gabe Gonzalez
All of their children, all of their children's children, they'll never forget.
Will Menaker
Yep. Now we're gonna have to start selling supplements first, Will.
Robert Evans
Oh, my God.
Gabe Gonzalez
Oh, my God. Do you know what's funny to me, man? Every time I post on TikTok, people will be like, man, you would really like this behind the Bastards podcast.
Will Menaker
Oh, really?
Gabe Gonzalez
And I always, every time clicked with him. Do. I am. You know, I know that guy.
Robert Evans
So funny.
Will Menaker
Yep. So this has been behind the Bastards, a podcast about a guy I almost named a goat for.
Gabe Gonzalez
It has been a fantastic time. I appreciate the shit out of you, man. Thank you so much.
Will Menaker
Appreciate you, too, Will.
Gabe Gonzalez
Let me hang out and get very drunk. Yeah, get extremely drunk while listening to somebody that made me feel icky. Cool. That's the podcast experience.
Will Menaker
I hope you at home or drunk or something, too. And buddy and Godspeed.
Robert Evans
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Gabe Gonzalez
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Behind the Bastards: Part Three – P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes
Hosted by Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts, "Behind the Bastards" delves deep into the dark and often untold aspects of some of history's most notorious figures. In Part Three, the spotlight shines on Sean "Diddy" Combs, exploring his rise to fame, business ventures, and the myriad of criminal allegations that have plagued his career.
The late 1990s marked Diddy's ascent in the music industry, particularly through Bad Boy Records, which burgeoned under his leadership. As his wealth surged, Diddy ventured into various enterprises, including his restaurant Justin, launched in New York City in 1997 and later franchised to Atlanta. However, Justin faltered, with the New York location shutting down after a decade and the Atlanta branch following suit in 2012 following a lawsuit alleging negligence after a shooting incident ([02:35] Will Menaker).
Diddy's entrepreneurial spirit extended to fashion with the launch of Sean John in 1998, named after his eldest son. The brand swiftly gained acclaim, earning Diddy five Grammy nominations that year ([08:00] Will Menaker). His ventures didn't stop there; by 2002, despite scandals like using Honduran sweatshops for manufacturing, Sean John remained a significant revenue generator.
Will Menaker [05:47]: "We can say notably more successful than his restaurant."
Despite setbacks, Diddy's influence in fashion and music solidified his status as a mogul, with ventures like Sean John and Ciroc Vodka deals expanding his empire.
Diddy was renowned for his extravagant White Parties held in the Hamptons, which became the social highlight of summer. These events were meticulously crafted to blend him into affluent white communities, showcasing celebrities and fostering a public image of sophistication. The parties emphasized appearance and networking, allowing "rich but not very cool" individuals to mingle with A-list celebrities.
In stark contrast, Diddy's Freak Off Parties hosted behind the scenes were shrouded in allegations of drug abuse, sex trafficking, and other illicit activities. Unlike the public White Parties, Freak Off Parties were exclusive, with little to no media presence, making them breeding grounds for criminal behavior.
Gabe Gonzalez [12:23]: "These are the sex crime parties."
The duality of these events highlights Diddy's ability to maintain a pristine public image while allegedly orchestrating and participating in heinous activities behind closed doors.
Diddy's legal woes intensified in 1999 when he was arrested for assault and criminal mischief after reacting violently to his depiction in a music video where he was crucified alongside Nas. The ensuing altercation with Steve Stout, President of Interscope Records, resulted in Diddy assaulting Stout with a chair, telephone, and champagne bottle ([19:35] Will Menaker). Despite the severity of the charges, Diddy was released on $15,000 bail and ultimately pled down to a misdemeanor, receiving a mere one-day anger management sentence.
Will Menaker [21:21]: "That's what hundreds of millions of dollars gets you in lawyers."
This incident underscored the disparity between Diddy's wealth and his accountability, showcasing how financial power can circumvent justice.
The heart of this episode delves into the numerous allegations against Diddy, painting a grim picture of exploitation and abuse. Key testimonies and lawsuits reveal a pattern of coercion, drug-facilitated assaults, and systematic sex trafficking orchestrated to stock his exclusive parties with vulnerable individuals.
Latroia Grayson's account is particularly harrowing. At 23, she won a contest to attend a Diddy party but found herself drugged, robbed, and assaulted, ending up hospitalized without clarity on what truly transpired ([30:10] Will Menaker). Such stories are echoed by countless others who recount similar experiences of manipulation and abuse under the guise of entertainment and opportunity.
Gabe Gonzalez [32:56]: "It's horrible. It's like the type of shit that you're like, what the fuck?"
Further allegations include Rodney Jones Jr.'s federal complaint accusing Diddy of running a human trafficking network to supply his parties with women and girls. Jones alleges that Diddy coerced him into procuring drugs and soliciting sex workers, often under threat of violence ([62:29] Will Menaker).
Additionally, Cassie Ventura, a former partner, filed a lawsuit detailing Diddy's manipulative and abusive behavior, including violent assaults and the use of clandestine videotaping for extortion ([51:15] Will Menaker). These allegations extend beyond women, with reports of male victims facing similar abuses, indicating that Diddy's alleged misconduct was not gender-specific.
In September 2024, Diddy's legal battles culminated in his arrest following an FBI raid that uncovered illegal firearms, drugs, and over 1,000 bottles of baby oil—a substance linked to drugging and facilitating assaults at his parties ([65:38] Will Menaker). Despite denying all charges and pleading not guilty, a judge denied bail, deeming him a community danger.
Simultaneously, revelations continue to surface about Diddy's coercive tactics and the extensive network supporting his criminal activities. Christina Coram, Diddy's chief of staff, is implicated as a key figure in facilitating the procurement and management of sexual favors for his events, functioning similarly to Ghislaine Maxwell in relation to Jeffrey Epstein.
Will Menaker [63:43]: "Sean Huffy Combs was arrested... Pleaded not guilty. A judge declined to set bail, noting he still posed a danger to the community."
These developments signify a turning tide against Diddy, peeling back the layers of his constructed persona to reveal a network of exploitation and abuse.
"Behind the Bastards" presents a damning portrayal of P. Diddy's life, juxtaposing his glittering public achievements with a dark underbelly of criminal behavior and exploitation. The episode underscores the perilous intersection of fame, wealth, and unchecked power, illustrating how Diddy's influence enabled him to orchestrate and evade justice for his numerous alleged crimes.
Will Menaker [67:17]: "This has been behind the Bastards, a podcast about a guy I almost named a goat for."
As legal proceedings against Diddy continue, the episode serves as a chilling reminder of the potential for corruption and abuse within powerful entertainment circles. It calls into question the systems that allow such figures to thrive while their victims remain voiceless and marginalized.
For listeners seeking a deeper understanding of the complexities surrounding P. Diddy's life and crimes, this episode provides a comprehensive and unsettling exploration of a man who epitomizes the very essence of what "Behind the Bastards" seeks to uncover.