Part Two: P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes

Summary

Behind the Bastards: Part Two – P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes

Host/Author: Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts
Release Date: December 18, 2024

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Introduction

In the second installment of Behind the Bastards, Robert Evans and Will delve deep into the dark and controversial life of Sean "Diddy" Combs. This episode meticulously unpacks Combs' alleged criminal activities, his pivotal role in the infamous East Coast-West Coast hip-hop feud, and his alleged involvement in the murders of Tupac Shakur and The Notorious B.I.G.

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Early Career and Rise: Signing The Notorious B.I.G.

The episode begins by tracing Diddy's ascent in the music industry, highlighting his pivotal decision to sign Christopher Wallace, better known as The Notorious B.I.G. [12:47].

Robert Evans [13:24]: "Biggie was one of the greatest lyricists of his generation. Honestly, part of why I love him is he wrote better about depression and self-hatred than most people in music ever have."

Biggie's rise under Bad Boy Records marked a significant shift in hip-hop, introducing a grittier and more introspective style that contrasted with the existing trends.

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Sexual Assault Allegations Against Diddy

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to the grave allegations against Diddy Combs. Evans and Will discuss multiple accusations of sexual assault, particularly involving underage girls.

Robert Evans [12:47]: "This is bad stuff."

The hosts elaborate on specific cases, including the allegations by Liza Gardner and April Lampros, detailing instances of coercion, drugging, and violent retaliation aimed at silencing victims through threats of revenge porn.

Will [40:51]: "This is bad, very bad stuff."

These accounts paint a disturbing picture of Combs' behavior, suggesting a pattern of abuse and manipulation that extends beyond his professional life.

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East Coast-West Coast Feud: Bad Boy vs. Death Row Records

Evans and Will then transition to the notorious East Coast-West Coast rivalry, centering on Bad Boy Records and Death Row Records. They explore how Diddy's actions and decisions significantly fueled this feud.

Robert Evans [19:30]: "Bad Boy... are we gonna talk a little bit of Suge Knight? Yeah, because basically, Biggie becomes a massive star pretty much overnight, and that causes immediate friction with the west coast premier gangsta rap enclave, Suge Knight's Death Row Records."

This rivalry intensified tensions within the hip-hop community, leading to increased aggression and violence among artists and their entourages.

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Involvement in Tupac Shakur’s Murder

A critical segment of the discussion focuses on the circumstances surrounding Tupac Shakur's murder in 1996. The hosts present a theory implicating Diddy Combs in orchestrating the hit on Tupac through his connections with the Southside Crips.

Robert Evans [46:57]: "It is a lot easier to sit back and... It's covering up almost or being covered up by the gang stuff."

Evans suggests that Combs' influence and resources were instrumental in facilitating the events that led to Tupac's death, portraying Combs as a central figure in the orchestrated violence.

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Involvement in The Notorious B.I.G.’s Murder

Following Tupac's death, the hosts examine the subsequent murder of The Notorious B.I.G. in 1997. They discuss the alleged continuation of Combs' influence, positioning him as a key antagonist in Biggie's untimely death.

Will [42:30]: "But as far as the evidence points, yeah, Poochie."

The narrative underscores the cyclical nature of violence perpetuated by Combs, suggesting that his actions not only ended Tupac's life but also targeted other prominent figures in hip-hop.

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Aftermath and Legacy

The episode concludes by reflecting on the lasting impact of Diddy's alleged crimes and the broader implications for the hip-hop industry. Evans and Will argue that Combs' actions have left a legacy of violence and mistrust that continues to influence contemporary rap culture.

Robert Evans [58:24]: "So Sean Puffy Combs... has helped to orchestrate half a coast's campaign of assassinations that led to the deaths of two of the greatest rappers of all time and also some other people."

They assert that Combs' manipulation and criminal endeavors have had profound and enduring effects on both the industry and its artists.

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Conclusion

Behind the Bastards: Part Two – P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes offers a chilling exploration of Sean "Diddy" Combs' alleged descent into criminality. Through detailed accounts and incisive analysis, Robert Evans and Will shed light on the darker aspects of Combs' influence in the music industry, painting a portrait of a man whose ambition and ego may have led to devastating consequences for some of hip-hop's most iconic figures.

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Notable Quotes

• Robert Evans [13:24]: "Biggie was one of the greatest lyricists of his generation... he wrote better about depression and self-hatred than most people in music ever have."

• Will [40:51]: "This is bad, very bad stuff."

• Robert Evans [19:30]: "Bad Boy... are we gonna talk a little bit of Suge Knight?... Suge Knight's Death Row Records."

• Robert Evans [46:57]: "It is a lot easier to sit back and... It's covering up almost or being covered up by the gang stuff."

• Will [42:30]: "But as far as the evidence points, yeah, Poochie."

• Robert Evans [58:24]: "So Sean Puffy Combs...has helped to orchestrate half a coast's campaign of assassinations that led to the deaths of two of the greatest rappers of all time and also some other people."

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Disclaimer:
This summary is based on the provided transcript and aims to capture the key discussions and narratives presented in the episode. It is essential to approach such sensitive topics with critical thinking and awareness of the broader context.

Transcript

[Will]

Call Zone Media.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, hear ye, hear ye. The court of bastards is now in session. The Honorable Judge Robert Evans presiding. And that's not a bit.

[Ellie Flynn]

It's not.

[Robert Evans]

I'm making an announcement here. Will, I don't think I told you this yet. I have been sworn in as a judge. I am legally a United States municipal judge for the state of New Mexico.

[Will]

This is not a. This is not a bit. It's not a bit.

[Robert Evans]

Not a bit.

[Will]

It's not a bit. And he's brought it up. I think he's told me the same, same piece of information 500 times.

[Robert Evans]

I have the paperwork. I am now legally the Honorable Robert Evans for the rest of my life. I can marry people, not just officiate like some of you folks. I can witness documents, I could hear cases. I don't think anyone's going to give me any. But I am a judge now in New Mexico. And you know, how does one become.

[Will]

A judge in New Mexico?

[Robert Evans]

You get sworn in by another judge. It works. Actually.

[Will]

I've just been like, how did you do? You just. You had to like call them and like, was there an online application?

[Robert Evans]

Let's call them a fan. I mean, definitely they are a fan. A wonderful person whose name I'm going to use in this.

[Will]

And they were like, hey, bro, did you know that it's no work to become a judge?

[Robert Evans]

You know, it's incredibly easy. Well, it's. Apparently I didn't know this either. Becoming a judge works exactly like being a vampire in Interview with a Vampire.

[Will]

You can't come in if somebody invites you.

[Robert Evans]

You can get made a judge by like a bigger judge, but you cannot necessarily make other people judges. Right. You have to. You have to drink a certain amount of blood. Yeah, yeah.

[Will]

You gotta keep the pyramid at a certain angle or else it gets too wide again.

[Robert Evans]

If I'm remembering Interview with a Vampire, right, I am now going to live in France and then burn down a theater.

[Will]

Take on an eight year old child. As you were. Yes.

[Robert Evans]

Take on an eight year old child. Do the whole interview.

[Will]

I'm not really sure what that was. I'm very confused still about what she was in that movie.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, you gotta try the new TV show, Will. It's wonderful.

[Will]

Oh, is it? I kind of, I saw that it existed, but I kind of put it in the same, like, you know when they made the Archie comic into a drama. What's it called? Riverdale. Riverdale. So bad. I kind of assumed it was something like that where they just like. Or like the Fresh Prince they turned that into a fucking drama or whatever. I kind of thought it was like something like that where it was just like real teeny Buffy the Vampire type shit.

[Robert Evans]

No, I can confidently say as a United States judge, oh, my God, that show is good. I do gunpowder. I'm gonna go do a blood meridian after this. Jesus Christ, call me the judge. Use my own urine to make gunpowder. It's gonna be incredible, folks.

[Will]

Amazing.

[Robert Evans]

But my first act as judge is to sit down with my buddy, the Grammy Award winning, Greasy Will and Judge P. Diddy. And this will be legally binding whatever I say the courts have to do. If I understand being a judge right, and I don't think I do, can.

[Will]

I be the middle of the defense and the prosecutor? Like, I don't know. I want to be both. Can I be both?

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, you could absolutely be both. Yeah, yeah, Whatever is funnier in the moment.

[Will]

A guest of behind the Bastards. Like, primary responsibility is to be a bit of both of these things. Like cheering you on for your incredible journalistic integrity and also correcting your bad pronunciation.

[Robert Evans]

Jordache. I honestly forget what we were saying.

[Will]

I have no idea. Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

Not my job as a judge to know how to pronounce our Jordakay. Jordak.

[Will]

Jordaco. You know what?

[Robert Evans]

I sentence you to come up with a different fucking name. I'm glad this intro was fun because what we're going to talk about after this cold open. Not fun at all.

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[Mandi B]

We want to speak out and we want this to stop.

[Robert Evans]

Wow.

[Will]

Very powerful.

[Mandi B]

I'm Ellie Flynn, an investigative journalist, and this is my journey deep into the adult entertainment industry.

[John Paul]

I really wanted to be a Playboy model.

[Ellie Flynn]

He was like, I'll take you to the top. I'll make you a star.

[Mandi B]

To expose an alleged predator and the rot industry he works in.

[Ellie Flynn]

It's honestly so much worse than I had anticipated. We're an army in comparison to him.

[Mandi B]

From Novel. Listen to the bunny trap on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Greasy Will]

Welcome to Decisions, Decisions, the podcast where boundaries are pushed and conversations get candid. Join your favorite hosts, Me Wheezy wtf.

[John Paul]

And me, Mandi B.

[Greasy Will]

As we dive deep into the world of non traditional relationships and explore the often taboo topics surrounding dating, sexual and love.

[John Paul]

Every Monday and Wednesday, we both invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. Tune in and join the conversation.

[Greasy Will]

Listen to Decisions Decisions on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Robert Evans]

Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast. I'm Maria Tramerke. And I'm Holly Frey.

[Will]

Together we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime.

[Robert Evans]

Each season we explore a new theme. From poisoners to art thieves, we uncover.

[Will]

The secrets of history's most interesting figures, from legal injustices to body snatching.

[Robert Evans]

And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mocktails inspired by each story.

[Will]

Listen to criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[John Paul]

Hey, everyone, it's John, also known as Dr. John Paul.

[Robert Evans]

And I'm Jordan or J. Joho.

[John Paul]

And we are the Black Fat Film.

[Robert Evans]

Podcast, a podcast where all the intersections of identity are celebrated.

[John Paul]

Oh, Shout. This year we have had some of our favorite people on, including Kid Fury, T.S. madison, Amber Ruffin from the Amber and Lacey Show, Angelica Ross, and more.

[Robert Evans]

Make sure you listen to the Black Fat Femme podcast on the I Heart Radio app, Ava Podcast or wherever you get your podcast, girl.

[John Paul]

Oh, I know that's right.

[Robert Evans]

We're back and things are about to get horrible. So 1991, the same year that he got all of those fucking people killed, is the year in which Joy, Joi, Dickerson, Neal, one of those hyphenated last names, claims that Sean drugged and raped her. Ooh, yes. Yeah, I know. Sorry. There was.

[Will]

There was no way to, like, swinging for the fences. Like, that's why I opened with something.

[Robert Evans]

Fun, because it's going to get. It's just. I mean, this is going to be horrible, folks.

[Will]

Oh, sorry. What year was this?

[Robert Evans]

91. Same year he got nine people killed in a crush. Okay, so this is the earliest. I don't know that this is the first person that Sean. Drugs and assaults, or assaults, period. But this is the earliest allegation so far against Diddy that may have changed by the time these episodes drop. Shit is coming out rapidly every day. It is one of the most serious she was a college student at the time. Sean was an up and coming music producer who hosted legendary parties. He put her in one of his music videos and then while they were doing that, he asked her out on a date. Which is, you know, classic story.

[Will]

Classic story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is why the prototype exists. This is why people know that this is a thing.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Will]

Is. It's just the classic producer story and.

[Robert Evans]

It'S, you know, it's fucked up because, like, obviously this is the way a lot of people get assaulted. It is also legitimately how a lot of people's careers begin. Yeah. You know, like, and honestly, sometimes both happen. Right. Like, that's.

[Will]

Yes.

[Robert Evans]

Which is why it's going to keep.

[Will]

Happening, is exactly that. It's literally, let me assault you and.

[Robert Evans]

You get a job.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

You can get into this fucking. You know, I mean, it's.

[Will]

You know, and as this progresses on, we're gonna see a lot of that where it's like people who go along with it, make it, and when they stop going along with it, they disappear.

[Robert Evans]

Right.

[Will]

You know?

[Robert Evans]

Right. Yes, yes. You know, so after dinner, Sean pushes Joy to stay out with him. She wants to go home. And he's like, no, no, no, let's go. And he takes her to a recording studio. She has a drink at some point, I think, on the drive over, and she, like, can't get out of the car because she's so fucked up by the time they get there. Not from the drink, but from the fact that the drink has been drugged, obviously. Drugs, I'm guessing just from her description sounds like ghb, but could have been a couple of things.

[Will]

Pretty fast. Acting in a car, drive across the. You know, that's not a long time.

[Robert Evans]

No, no, no. Combs takes her to a separate location and he sexually assaults her.

[Will]

He films the rape, naturally, because why not keep evidence?

[Robert Evans]

Why not keep it? Well, he films that to use as revenge porn against her, Right.

[Will]

Oh, yeah. So this is like. This is where he starts to get into the black magazine.

[Robert Evans]

He's doing this from the jump.

[Will]

Yeah, The Epstein, if you will.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, exactly. And Dickerson actually finds out that he's videotaped it because a male friend of hers comes to her and is like, hey, man, I was just hanging out with Sean. And he showed us a video of himself having sex with you. And, like, you don't really look like you're conscious.

[Will]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

So that's how she finds out about it. Like, he shares. He shows this to a number of people.

[Will]

God, that is just fucking Awful.

[Robert Evans]

It's hideous. And it's one of those things.

[Will]

Wait, so. So wait, so this is 91, right?

[Robert Evans]

91, yeah.

[Will]

What. What do you have? It was a camcorder. He had, like, a cam.

[Robert Evans]

It must have been like a camcorder. Yeah. Like, it was not like a hidden situation or.

[Will]

You know, you're right, because there's, like. There's like an element of, like, decisions that he had to make. Like, he had to set this up and plan this. Like, this wasn't, you know.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, he had to set this up. He played the plan this. He spent a lot of money. Like, it's not cheap to have, right?

[Will]

Yeah, yeah. Cameron, 91 was very expensive. You weren't just buying one. Cheap.

[Robert Evans]

That's probably a big part of. In addition to just wanting to do in the first place why she's drugged. Right. Is so that he can set up and do all this, you know? Right.

[Will]

Yeah. It's not an easy process to use. It's not like now where you just push a button or whatever on your phone. You gotta set this. Get lighting and shit. Like, it's like camcorders were not just.

[Robert Evans]

Like, just laying around. Yeah. And it's also, I want to note now, if you're very familiar with this case, you're going to note, oh, he's not bringing up everyone. I can't. There's not enough time to talk about every single person who has made allegations. I'm going to go through enough that you understand what he does. Yeah, yeah.

[Will]

At this point, it's literally like dozens and dozens of people. Like, there's so many people that they've started filing class actions against it.

[Robert Evans]

It's the kind of thing where I think. And we'll never know how many people it was in total, but I would be shock if the total number of victims one way or the other, aren't in the hundreds. You know, there's different levels of victim. There's some people that.

[Will]

It's astonishing. There's Genghis Khan levels of.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. There's some people who are like, he coerced me. But, like, I did say, yes. There's some people who were like, I got drugged, but he didn't rape me, or, like, I got out. So there's like, degrees of difference from how this happens because there's so many people he's doing this to.

[Will]

And there's combinations of every single one of those things too, as well. It's like. It is layers upon layers. What, you know, you're talking. This is 1991. We're in 2024.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Will]

You know, this is a 30 year legacy of doing this. Yes. You know, this is a stunning. And to only have allegations, really, because, like, that's the one thing is, like, outside of, like the industry, his image was pretty clean, you know, like, he had a few little things that was.

[Robert Evans]

Like, largely the Tupac stuff.

[Will]

Yeah. Did he kill Tupac or Diddy was involved in, like. But it wasn't really like the sexual assault stuff that was like, big. It was all like conspiracy mogul, like, you know, mob type stuff, you know, like before this point in history.

[Robert Evans]

Right, right, absolutely. Yeah.

[Will]

I mean, we knew about. Or the other stuff existed and was out there, but it wasn't like that was what he was known for when it came to that. Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

People would say, oh, that guy's definitely a piece of shit. Right. Yeah.

[Will]

It was almost like he committed a bigger crime.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Will]

In being involved in Biggie and Tupac's murder.

[Robert Evans]

Like, look, if you're an overshadowed, if you've got a crime you want to commit, you know, like, maybe. Maybe you're looking to do a big crypto scam or something. Just kill Tupac first and you'll get away with it for at least 30 years. Yeah. That's the Diddy story.

[Will]

He might be a judge, but don't take legal advice from Robert. Yeah. That is not legal advice. Do not kill Tupac. If you find Tupac, let us know.

[Robert Evans]

Leave him alone.

[Will]

No, say him alone. He deserves.

[Robert Evans]

He's really alive. He deserves to hide. So in the wake of this horrible sex crime, Sean got his first big opportunity in 1992. He scouted out and signed a rap artist named Christopher Wallace, better known to posterity as Biggie Smalls or the Notorious B.I.G. and this is. I've just. I'm not super, you know, knowledgeable about pop culture. I love Biggie. Biggie was one of the greatest lyricists of his generation. Honestly, part of why I love him, I think he's, like, written better about depression and hating yourself than most people in music ever have. Like, I mean, he was great at.

[Will]

He was Biggie.

[Robert Evans]

He was fatigue.

[Will]

He was a huge man. Yeah, he was fat as hell. And he knew he was fat as hell, and he said it all the time. And then at one point in his career, he acknowledged, not only am I fat as hell, but I'm sexy as hell, too, because I'm rich as hell. So, like, I don't give a shit about what you guys say. He was so cool and he really leaned into it, you know, it's like you're talking about a dude whose biggest rival at the time was Tupac, who was an athletic looking guy. You know, Tubac was ripped, you know, like. And then Biggie's like, yeah, whatever. Yeah, I'm £400, I don't give a shit.

[Robert Evans]

And Biggie is.

[Will]

But he was notoriously.

[Robert Evans]

He's notorious, B I G. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Will]

Legendary.

[Robert Evans]

And he is. This is one of those guys we talk about a lot of guys and especially gangster rap really massage their reputation. Biggie didn't have to do that. He comes from a tough background. His dad abandons the family when he's three, which is interesting that. That both he and Diddy lose their dads at age 3. Might have been part of why they, like, got along.

[Will]

Bonded. Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

He grew up near Bed Stuy in Brooklyn, which at that point in time was a very different neighborhood than it is today.

[Will]

Sure. Not filled with hipsters.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah. He was raised a Jehovah's Witness and became a drug dealer selling weed at age 12 and moved up to crack once that epidemic kicked off. His mother was Jehovah's Witness. Yeah, he's raised a Jehovah's Witness. His mom is very strict. He has to hide what he's doing from her.

[Will]

I don't know that I've ever heard that before. That is really interesting because, I mean, like, I knew that, like, he was very much. There's a lot of stories. Even his mom told a lot of stories in the biographies they've done with. Of him and everything of, like, him always having to, like, hide stuff because she was watching. She was on top of what he was doing. But I never heard that.

[Robert Evans]

It also has a big influence on the kind of music he makes because his mom is very strict and the morals that he's raised with conflicts in his new career. So he always does. He has this feeling that is, I think, not super common for a lot of people in the same industry, that what he's doing is bad. Right. And that influences the kind of music he makes. His debut album is called Ready to Die, which includes the song, the great song Suicidal Thoughts, which opens with the verse, when I die, fuck it, I want to go to hell because I'm a piece of shit. It ain't hard to fucking tell. Or getting more direct towards his feelings about his mom. All my life I've been considered as the worst. Lying to my mother, even stealing out her purse. Crime after crime, from drugs to extortion. I know my mom Wished she got a fucking abortion. Like, yeah, I love Biggie.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah. Biggie definitely was very pressing. He was very, like, knowledgeable of himself and where he was at, you know, like, he. Anytime. It was actually one of the things that was so fascinating about Biggie's work is that he would often talk about drug dealing as, like. As the darkness that it was like, a lot of times, like people were drug dealing, like, especially now. It's like this glamour position, right? And for him, it was not. It was so much more of like, this is what I had to do to survive.

[Robert Evans]

I fucking hate myself because of what I had to do. Yeah, yeah.

[Will]

I don't like that I had to do these things. I don't like myself because I had to do these things. And this is what it's like to grow up in these situations and have. And it was like, it took so much of the glamour out of it. It was dark. It was twisted and it was dark. And it was like, damn, he's really speaking about the truth of all this thing, you know, it was not like, look at me, I'm doing this cause I'm fucking gonna wear gold necklaces and shit. Like, he was pretty humble. Even with, like, the braggadocious part of it, it was still kind of dark in its humility.

[Robert Evans]

Absolutely. I guess what we're getting at is we're both fans of Biggie. Obviously, Biggie's going to be one of the most successful rappers of all time. But initially, when he's getting started, his work is seen as too explicit and too based in his extensive life of crimes for MCA Records. Who is Uptown's distributor and that' Sean works. And so Sean's boss, Andre Harrell, lets him go. Basically fires him, although he will claim Andre says, I didn't fire him because he was bad. Basically I said, like, look, man, you're right. This guy's going to be a hit. The label won't go for it. Fucking bounce. It's time for you to succeed on your own, right? Andre later tells the Wall Street Journal, I didn't want to sit there and be the one confining Puff because the corporation was telling me to do that. I'm not built that way. I told Puff he needs to go and create his own opportunity. You're red hot right now. I'm really letting you go so you can get rich. And that's exactly what fucking happened. So, I mean, yeah, minutes later, minutes later, all of the money in the world.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, it really did. I mean, it was the perfect Time for that. You know, like, for the most part, up until Biggie and Pac, you know, a lot of hip hop was more, like, happy type shit. It was still, like, sometimes it was like, had the Darkness NWA Existed. Obviously. But, like, Biggie and Pac were, like, really some of the originators of that, like, dark upbringing culture of rap, where it's like, look, we fucking. We hustle to survive and we're doing what we got to do and, like, talking the real truth about what it was like to be a black man in America at the time.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Will]

So it was like. There was something really unique about that moment because it was starting to, you know, we're getting the crack epidemic. We're getting, you know, like, Crime Bill. That old Biden decided Sleepy Joe back.

[Robert Evans]

When he was much, much more awake.

[Will]

Yeah. When he was not better.

[Robert Evans]

When he was awake.

[Will]

Right. So it's like. Yeah, exactly. Like, maybe he should be sleepy because.

[Robert Evans]

Maybe sleep is better.

[Will]

Maybe he commits some of the biggest crimes against black America that you can imagine.

[Robert Evans]

I have always been firmly of the stance that the water fountains in the Capitol building need to have Xanax in them. We could solve a lot of problems. Lot of problems that way. Yeah.

[Will]

Bring this down a little bit, you know what?

[Robert Evans]

Put Xanax in the water everywhere.

[Will]

Yeah, actually. Yeah, great point.

[Robert Evans]

Xanax, lithium. Let's just.

[Will]

This is like when you're in high school and you think you can solve all the world's problems. The first time you take mushrooms and you're like, we need to give everyone mushrooms. But actually, maybe that might be.

[Robert Evans]

Maybe we really do need to put Lithium in the water or something. So Combs started a label of his own Bad Boy record. And it. Bad Boy, right.

[Will]

Clink, clink, clink.

[Robert Evans]

And this is when you hear about the east coast, west coast rap feud. It's Bad Boy and Death Row over on, you know, the other side of the country.

[Will]

Suge Knight and Death Row.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, Suge Knight. Yeah.

[Will]

Are we gonna. Suge Knight.

[Robert Evans]

We're gonna talk a little bit of Suge Knight. Yeah. Because basically, Biggie becomes a massive star pretty much overnight, and that makes Bad Boy a name. And that causes immediate friction with the west coast premier gangsta rap enclave. Suge Knight's Death Row Records. If you want to know the kind of man we were talking about, Biggie being a fucking real gangster. Suge is a real gangster.

[Will]

The realest of gangsters.

[Robert Evans]

Later in life will be shot at two consecutive VMA after parties.

[Will]

Yes. Oh, my God. One of my favorite Suge Knight Things is the Vanilla Ice story. Oh, yeah. Off the roof of a building. By his ankles. By his ankles. He held. Because just over some dispute, you know, it's like. It was like Suge was the real. I think Suge didn't want to give.

[Robert Evans]

Him the rights or sell the rights to a Ice Ice Baby or something, right?

[Will]

Yeah. Held him off the roof of a building. It's like, this is the type of dude he was. Just a little side tangent here. I don't want to go too far into it, but recently there was this TikTok thing that happened where a guy found a bunch of old death row tapes, two inch tapes, in a storage locker, right? And because I'm in the TikTok zone, I saw this happen and I was like, oh, this is cool. Hey, if you need any help with this, hit me up. And it turned out to be a bunch of, like, MC Hammer, Death Row era stuff, right? And it was like, almost immediately, once that started coming out, all the comments were like, hey, man, like, just be careful. And it ended up going that I found the guy, the engineer that was responsible for that stuff. And I was like, hey, man, I was like, this guy found all this stuff. Your name's on the tapes. And he was like, I don't really want to be involved in that. Because of that era of my life was one of the most I've ever felt, like, in danger.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Will]

He's like. That was the most I was ever worried about making it through the day was when I worked as an engineer for Death Row.

[Robert Evans]

There's a lot of things you can say about Suge Knight that are bastardy, but also, Suge Knight's not really. Even when he's behind bars, not someone I want to talk too much shit on.

[Will]

I'm close enough, man. I don't know, man. We'll say he's a big guy.

[Robert Evans]

He's formidable. He's a formidable guy.

[Will]

He's a large person. He's a large person. And I would not want to ever have my tiny skull crushed.

[Robert Evans]

We have lots of respect for you, Shook.

[Will]

Yeah, do your thing.

[Robert Evans]

Don't dangle.

[Will]

Just don't run me over at a burger stand.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. So this is primarily a story of the evil that Sean is going to do later in his life. And his involvement in the East Coast, west coast rap rivalry is like, we know, but also it's murky, right? Like, there's a degree of murky to, like, exactly what he was doing.

[Will]

It's unreliable narratives, as you would say. A lot of Unreliable narratives.

[Robert Evans]

But most of the narrators are, like, talking through wiretaps that the police have or, like, interviews the police are conducting.

[Will]

So, yes, literally anything you get in all of this stuff is. It's unreliable. And because there's a level of ego that's involved in this stuff, there's a level of self importance, and there's a level of. Also, we were really fucked up doing drugs and alcohol, and I don't actually remember what was going on, you know? Yeah, it's like. There's a joke in the audio industry about, like, literally almost everybody has a. I forgot. Like. Like, the Fleetwood Mac. Like, I forgot I made that song story. Like, I don't remember even being there and doing that.

[Robert Evans]

I was watching a fucking. An old video of them during, like, the Rumors tour, and it's just clear. Like, not a one of you. You're all playing perfectly, but not one of you could walk 10ft without falling down. Like, you are. You are snow blind. They walk you onto that stage.

[Will]

And although it has changed in its direction, there is still a large amount of that in the music industry, where it's just like. Even on the professional side of things, like the engineer side of things. I once cleaned a console that had been a soundboard that had been in use since the early 70s. It was one of the. Oh, Metallica recorded here. Oh, that type of thing. Every band ever had used this console, and we took off the plates for the faders to clean it, and there was actually cocaine and weed and shit under the faders. That much had accumulated over time. That it was just under. And it was like, oh, my. And you're like. You're like, still, like, why am I. Why are my hands, like. Why do I feel numb right now?

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, just walk in the room.

[Will]

Oh, it's that 70s cocaine. Yeah, it's like that 70s cocaine.

[Robert Evans]

Licked this himself before sending. Putting it on the back of the truck.

[Will]

Yeah, so there is a lot of, like, unreliable narration that happens in the music industry all the time. There's a lot of drugs, there's a lot of alcohol, and there's a lot of, like. Man, sometimes people tell me my own stories.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

Well, in a lot of. When you're talking about the guys who are also literally fighting each other, a lot of head injuries, you know?

[Will]

Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

[Robert Evans]

But the gist of it is there's this huge conflict that comes to center around Tupac, who's the big west coast star, and Biggie, who is the east coast star. And, you know, Tupac's you know, with Suge and Biggie is with Sean Diddy. So things come to a head on November 30, 1994, when Tupac Shakur is shot five times in the lobby of Quad Studios in Times Square. This is not when he dies. Tupac was a tough guy.

[Will]

Real quick just to rewind in this story of what happened. So the East Coast, west coast thing, one of the big inciting factors were the Source Awards in New York. Probably, I think a year before Tupac died, Suge Knight was on stage directly insulting did. That was his thing. He stood up on stage and he said, hey, if any of y'all want to be out there and not have a producer that is singing and dancing all up in your videos and being like, all in, trying to make himself part of the show, right, then come over to Death Row, right? And this was like a big. This was when Snoop got involved. There was also a moment just before that. Maybe it was right after. I forget where Diddy and Suge were. In a strip club in Atlanta. And Suge's best friend. That was one of the times you were talking about. Suge's best friend got shot and killed in the parking lot or whatever after that altercation. So up until Tupac getting shot, there's multiple deaths that have already happened. Like, this is a back and forth thing that's kind of been going on and they've been antagonizing, but it is Tupac and Biggie verbally in the public, right? But this is a Suge Diddy situation. This is their egos that are bleeding down into. They're artists that are fighting against each other because Biggie and Tupac are best friends at one point. We're not best friends, but they are good friends at one point in time. This is like an important, like, part to understand. Yeah, Biggie used to sleep on Tupac's couch. Tupac's acting and like starting out his career. He's getting like, of his first records and everything. He's starting to have success before Biggie. Biggie's sleeping on his couch. Biggie is his friend. So Tupac comes to New York to record at Quad Studios. This is like the big inciting incident before the Source Awards thing. Tupac comes to New York. He's recording in Quad Studios. He comes down to the lobby. Biggie and Diddy are there as well. That same night, he comes down to the lobby. He gets shot and robbed in the lobby, right? And this is New York lobby. It's. It's 10ft there's a security guy there. It's like, you know, it's a. So he gets shot in that lobby and he immediately blames Biggie.

[Robert Evans]

Well, and there's.

[Will]

For selling him out.

[Robert Evans]

And there's. I mean. Yeah, and there's also, like, it's worth noting, Biggie and Puffy are in the studio right at this, at the time. Like, and he is the only. It's a quote unquote robbery. But he is the only one who gets shot. Yeah.

[Will]

Yes, he's the only one that gets shot. And like, it's been dramatized in a lot of like, you know, biopics and everything. But it's a non descript place. Like, I've been to Quad Studios before. I recorded there. It's a pretty non descript place. It's not like a flashy studio. Like in la you can see a lot of the studios, you know, a lot of them are kind of like nondescript, but you can. Like they have signs or whatever. Quad Studios has no sign. Quad Studios is not like an accident where you just stumble in and shoot somebody.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will]

No, you do have to know somebody's there. It's on like the 13th floor or some shit like that. Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

He wasn't like on the street and it was a crime of opportunity. Right. Like, the fact that he's like, this had to have been them is not paranoia or whatever ruling.

[Will]

Yes.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah.

[Will]

And so that builds up. Tupac actually, right after, after that shooting, he goes to jail for sexual assault. Spends some time in jail and that's when Biggie's career grows, gets all big and he comes out of jail. To see Biggie now succeeding, like fully and also feeling that hatred and that, you know, like they were involved in this somehow of me getting shot becomes incredibly paranoid. This is when the Tupac switch really goes to the gangster shit.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. You know, and he starts putting out songs, insulting Biggie and Bad boy records.

[Will]

Exactly. Again, while he's in jail, Biggie puts out who Shotcha. I think he was in jail. Anyways, I might be messing some of this up because also I am an unreliable narrator. But while he's in jail, Biggie puts out who shot you? Which seems like a direct attack on Tupac. Who shot you is like a pretty.

[Robert Evans]

It's a pretty funny thing to do.

[Will]

Yeah. When you're wondering who shot me and.

[Robert Evans]

Somebody puts out a song, it's the. If I did it of gangster rap.

[Will]

Yes, it really is. And like. And so Tupac's like, okay, well then he know and this escalates to a massive, massive battle between east coast and west coast.

[Robert Evans]

And we are going to talk more about that. But you know what? Never shot Tupac. To the best of my knowledge. I can't really prove this, but it's unlikely.

[Will]

Our products. And sponsors. And sponsors. Yeah, our products are the guys. The guys that give us the money.

[Robert Evans]

We're doing the stuff. Very unlikely that they did. Yeah.

[Will]

Yeah. Although.

[Robert Evans]

Although. Unless it's an ad for fucking Diddy.

[Will]

Yeah, you might get it. You might, you know.

[Robert Evans]

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[Robert Evans]

And we're back. So In September of 1995, there's another chapter in this escalating battle. Witnesses say that they see Diddy's bodyguard get into an argument at an Atlanta club with a guy named Jai Hassan Jamal Robles, a member of Death Row's who's like a Death Row guy, right? And then after that argument, Robles is shot and killed. And it's one of those like, well, he was having an argument with Combs bodyguard who's a shooter, and then he gets shot, right?

[Will]

Turns out people with guns are willing to use them easily.

[Robert Evans]

And by the way, Combs bodyguard who probably shot Robles, gets shot himself years later in Atlanta. You know, not a long life in this.

[Will]

Like I said, this is a back and forth kind of situation for a long time. It's like it mirrors what is going on because these are people who are also gang related in all these situations. It's a lot of bloods versus Crip situation. This is the early 90s. This is actually a thing that's going on in the world.

[Robert Evans]

It is tied into the organized crime part of it and the mob pyros.

[Will]

In California and the Crips in Los Angeles and Crenshaw. It's like this is all happening at the same time.

[Robert Evans]

Diddy is not a guy who comes out of gang life, but he is now involved in organized crime. Right? Because that's just one of the big.

[Will]

Implications for Diddy being involved in Tupac's Death is that he was. Was hiring Keith.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, we'll be talking about that.

[Will]

Right. So it's like, we get into this. He is associated heavily with other gang members. It's a bit like the Rolling Stones, Hell's angel shit, where it's like, who do you hire to protect you in your territory? If you don't hire the people who are strong there, you don't have that.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Will]

And even to this day, you know, I've toured with some big acts. I've toured with Jay Z and Pusha T. I've toured with a lot of like, like mid level, like rappers Vic Mensa and idk, like, all sorts of stuff like that. Even to this day, when you go to a town, a city, you check in with the guy there on the rap tours, you check in with the J Princes, you check in with the people that are the guy in that town out of respect, out of whatever, but like, you make sure that you are talking to those people. So this is happening now. Make no mistake. That was. There are people that were in charge in those cities that were heavily, like, involved in the responsibility around protecting those incidences from, you know.

[Robert Evans]

Well, podcasting works the same way. You know, when the last podcast on the left guys, when they tour in Portland, you know, they give. Sophie and I check in, we make sure our shooters stand down. You know, the pod save guys. When I go to dc, you know, fucking. They'll the last guys. If you don't call that.

[Will]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. No, and I understand that, you know, it's like, it's a hard business. Yeah, the knitting circles are actually very similar as well.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sophie just put out a hit on. And I'm really bad at actually knowing other people in the podcast business. I was going to say Sarah Marshall, but y'all are real life friends. Do you know how many times.

[Ellie Flynn]

No, absolutely not.

[Robert Evans]

I'm going to Chicago. I got to call the knowledge fight guys, make sure they don't. You don't fucking put one in me at the airport.

[Will]

Oh, God.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, man. So, and it's also worth noting, as we say, people are dying. Combs is ordering hits, right? I can't say that to a point of legal certainty.

[Will]

Yeah, there's no legal.

[Robert Evans]

But he's ordering hits.

[Will]

The implication is strong that people are being directed to execute other people on this, you know, by Sean for sure.

[Robert Evans]

I might not have said that a few months ago, but now that he's in jail, I feel. Feel confident he's not going to sue me. For defamation. Yeah, he definitely had people killed. Yeah, yeah. So it is also, and I should, you know, we're talking about this feud and we will get back to this east coast, west coast feud. I should note here it is around this time in 1993 or 1994. I think the timeline is a little bit murky. The person may not remember precisely because that's the way trauma works, that Sean Combs is accused of committing his second rape that we know of, of Liza Gardner, who was 16 years old at the time. He is in his 20s. She is a child. Says that she met Combs and Aaron hall at an album release in New York. She alleges that Combs coerced her into having sex and then hall assaulted her and then Diddy rapes her. And then Diddy and hall rape her 15 year old friend Monica Chase. So he and his friend Aaron hall coerce and rape two underage people, one of whom is 15, one of whom is 16. The day after the assault, Combs comes to her house, she says, and chokes her until she passes out and then sexually assaults her again. This is bad stuff.

[Will]

This is bad, very bad stuff.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. And it's one of those like, yeah, ordering hits is bad too. But to an extent, everyone who's in this east coast, west coast thing is agreeing. We're going to do some dangerous shit, right?

[Will]

Yes. Oh, yeah. Like, so outside of the sex assault stuff, that's just. Oh no, I'm just like, I can't. You. Oh my God, you've got it.

[Robert Evans]

You got to use this. It's the only thing that you can do after talking about something that horrible. It's necessary.

[Will]

Oh, no. But it's like it, like that's willing participants. Yeah. Not the sex, the gang stuff. This is willing participant stuff. So it's like, it's a lot easier to sit back and. But like the sex assault stuff happening co currently it's like, it's that what we were talking about. It's like it's covering up almost or being covered up by the gang stuff. It's like we're over here thinking about east coast, west coast war and he's raping girls, right? It's like that's, that's the thing that's.

[Robert Evans]

Like emphasis on girl. Yeah, yeah.

[Will]

It's like, it's like there's one side where it's like, well, this is like a willing participant situate. I mean, obviously, I'm not trying to say everybody that's hurt by gang violence is a willing.

[Robert Evans]

But the Rap thing. Yeah.

[Will]

Yes. It's like between these two guys, they are fighting each other. They are fighting each other. They're causing the country to fight each other. Like they're. This is a thing that's like escalating violence among, amongst people in gangs. You know, it's like. But willing participants again, it's like there's obviously collateral damage, there's obviously bad shit. But the other side of this where it's like sexual assault stuff, it's like, damn, dude. And you don't even get that shit to the surface because there's people dying all over the place, right?

[Robert Evans]

And everyone's paying attention to the glamorous gang fight stuff, right? And this is happening the whole time that's going down. Also in 1994, the same year probably, Combs allegedly met and raped a woman named April Lampros. She claims that he started it by telling her he wanted to be her mentor. He love bombed her, and once they were dating, he ordered her to keep the relationship secret and started beating her. Lamprose later alleged that Combs forced her and his partner, at the time, his romantic partner, Kim Porter, to take MDMA and then force them to have sex while he watched. She attempted to cut off contact with him, but he threatened her, including with revenge porn. So she keeps going for a while. This would have been a thing that, that would have looked like they were dating from the outside. But a big part of it is that he is violent and if she leaves, he's going to post videos of them having, you know. Yeah, you know, so.

[Will]

And this is all a recurring theme in all of the stuff. It's like he took that, that one playbook and just ran with it. Play the hits every single time. He just kept going with it because like he knew that there is a there and there is a very truthful element to the power of influence like that you can have by, by just being who you are and being a big deal. And it's scary because you think, especially with people like Diddy, where they actively know that they are untouchable. Yeah, they actively know that they're untouchable and that they can do whatever they want.

[Robert Evans]

And these are the two cases we have from the fucking, the war years, right? These aren't the only two. Like again, what I think is important.

[Will]

That'S not a singular event type shit.

[Robert Evans]

This is a pattern that he has and he is engaging in this pattern regularly for basically like most of the time you and I have been alive. That's the kind of bastard we're Talking.

[Will]

About here, I was five when he started.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, great. I was three. In September of 1996, Tupac was gunned down in a drive by shooting in Las Vegas. Six months after that, Biggie is killed in a drive by in Los Angeles. No one was officially convicted of either murder, but we at this point also pretty much know who did both. Biggie was very likely gunned down by a guy named Poochie, who you can imagine is the character from the Simpsons, if you like.

[Will]

And he's gonna. At the end of it, he is.

[Robert Evans]

Going to his own plane.

[Will]

He's going to. Here is the toughest part again, unreliable narrators. Also. Every single one of these people die. Every single one of them gets shot in an early death. Orlando Anderson, who was the likely killer of Tupac, also ended early. Keefe D is the only one that stuck around for a while.

[Robert Evans]

Amazing that Keefe D makes.

[Will]

Yeah, Keefe D. You never think it's gonna be Keefe, but it is. Keefe D sticks around and he is as unreliable as they come just because of who he is as a person. It is all. It's braggadocious shit. It's all about, like, talking about, I was involved in this thing. It is definitely he was involved and he was in the right places. But there's a lot of, like. You know, it's even that way with Suge Knight where it's like, Suge Knight is bragging about a lot of this stuff and trying to, like, elevate and you don't get a complete narrative because nobody is ever gonna tell the truth.

[Robert Evans]

Right, right.

[Will]

But as far as the evidence points, yeah, Poochie.

[Robert Evans]

And I think I should also clarify here. You will find other theories. There are people who say, no, it wasn't Poochie. It was this other person that killed Biggie. And the same is true with Tupac. I'm going with, like, the likeliest version of the story. This is not a litigate who killed Tupac podcast.

[Will]

Right. There's literally podcasts about these dragons on these nine.

[Robert Evans]

Post them on the subreddit.

[Will]

There's biographies, there's biopics. There's so many.

[Robert Evans]

I've got a working theory that it was in fact Bernie Sanders who dropped Tupac. Oh, damn it.

[Will]

I was gonna make that joke. I was gonna say it was Bernard.

[Robert Evans]

Bernard Montgomery Sanders.

[Will]

Montgomery Sanders. I was ready to stop him. Damn it. I was gonna make that joke because I knew it was gonna be a deep cut that, like, the real lovers of the pod would be like, oh, shit, he's one of us, you know.

[Robert Evans]

So as you noted, Tupac was almost certainly killed by Dwayne Keefe D. Davis, who was finally arrested last year for the murder. He had been made a police informant in 2009 after an arrest for drug trafficking. This is like a lot of people, he is not super well informed about how the legal system works. And he believed himself immune to prosecution and admitted to killing Tupac in a drive by in 1996.

[Will]

All right, so heavily believed. So the breakdown of this story, I'll try and get through it really quick. But basically, it was a Tyson fight in Las Vegas. Tupac is there with his girlfriend and Suge Knight. He goes. Because he actually wrote a song for Mike Tyson's walk in. He wrote, like, a rap song for Mike Tyson. And it's like. It's funny you should listen to it, but you know Tupac. So he's there and he's watching the fight. And then after the fight, he sees a guy, Orlando Anderson, who just weeks prior had taken somebody down and stolen their chain. This is a big deal at this time. You have a chain that says Death Row on it. Suge Knight only gives those to the closest of associates.

[Robert Evans]

And everything podcasting works the same way. By the way, anybody takes my chain, I'm going to come out blasting.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah. Orlando Anderson was involved in that. Tupac sees him right after the Tyson fight fight. He beats the shit out of him in a lobby and then goes back to his place. And then Suge and Tupac are going to go to an after party. They start driving down the street. Orlando Anderson happens to be Keefe D's nephew, right? And they are in a car together driving down the street. And Orlando and Keefe, depending on which narrator you believe, one of them definitely plugged Tupac. Now, in one of the greatest moments in Tupac history, in all history. Fuck it. The cop comes up to Tupac and he says, who shot you? And Tupac says, fuck you. Because even in death, he kept it real. It is one of my favorite pieces. Those were, like his last words. That was his last words, was saying fuck you to a cop.

[Robert Evans]

It's a literal Johnny Tight Lips character.

[Will]

Yeah, Johnny, where are you shut.

[Robert Evans]

I ain't saying nothing.

[Will]

I ain't saying nothing.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, what should I tell the doctor? Tell him to suck a living.

[Will]

Suck an a. Suck a living. Exactly. Literally, like, who shot you? He knows who shot him. He just beat that guy up ten fucking minutes ago. You know, he's like, nah, man, fuck yourselves.

[Robert Evans]

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[Mandi B]

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[Ellie Flynn]

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[Mandi B]

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[Greasy Will]

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[Ellie Flynn]

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[Robert Evans]

We are back again.

[Will]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, man.

[Will]

Pain. So much pain.

[Robert Evans]

What the fuck? So Tupac. We're talking about Tupac, who was almost certainly killed by Dwayne Kefi D. Davis. So Davis, while believing himself immune to prosecution, admits to killing Tupac in 1996. This is much more recently. He just got arrested, I think, last year. And he also claims, while he again believes himself immune, that Diddy offered him a million dollars to kill Tupac and paid that fee to a different Southside Crips member to do the job.

[Will]

And he did not get that money ever.

[Robert Evans]

No. Wow. He got fucked over by a fucking rap gang star.

[Will]

Amazing.

[Robert Evans]

Diddy's not a man of his word, man.

[Will]

This guy. No. So one of the things. So Keefe D had actually been a security. Security guard for Puffy for a while, and, like. And that's how that link had been established. You know, one of the things that's like. There's parts of this whole story that you have to kind of take with, like, a bit of, like. I don't think Keefe D was actively, like, seeking out Tupac or anything. I think there's a situation where if Puffy was involved in this whole situation, the way that it has been accused, I think he did what they say he did, which is he put a word out. The word is, if you kill Tupac, I give you a million dollars. Right? And then I think Keefe D and Orlando Anderson happened to be in the right place at the right time, right? Right. They were at the right place at the right time. They were connected in the right situation that it happened. That they were like, we know where this motherfucker is. We are here right now. Let's do this shit and we'll try and collect on this later. And I thought. I think probably, although I don't think it was a million dollars, right. I could be wrong about this, but I think what it was actually transferred was like, 200,000 or something like that.

[Robert Evans]

This is what Keefe D says, right? I'm not saying this is the Literal amounts or how it actually happened. Right.

[Will]

So I think that that's exactly like. I think it got transferred. I think people didn't. Like, the one guy definitely pocketed that money, or according to the story, pocketed that money. The in between guy pocketed that money and was like, okay, bitch. But I think that, you know, again, unreliable narration in this whole story, but there's some. I don't think it was intentional is my point that they were trying out at that moment to kill Tupac. They didn't go to Vegas with the intent of killing Tupac. I think they went to Vegas to see a fight and there was an incident, and then it just turned up and it was a perfect timing, you know? Yeah, it seems more like that than it was a premeditated situation of they're out there looking to kill Tupac. Like they're on the street ready to do it. Like, Biggie saw Keefe and was like, I will give you this money. Go kill him now. And he went there directly. I think it was a crime of convenience more than anything.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That seems likely to me. I don't know what happened. And again, when I was saying this is what this guy says, I'm not saying this is literally what happened. This is a dude bullshitting to the cops when he thinks he's immune.

[Will]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

So the cops had him reach out to the guy that he said actually got paid for the job and to Diddy, basically trying to get Diddy on a wire being like, ye, killing Tupac was rad.

[Will]

Right.

[Robert Evans]

I don't think that worked. Sean is not that dumb.

[Will]

And he has not been charged notoriously. Been very good about not talking to the wrong people.

[Robert Evans]

Yes. You know, and he has not been charged with this. I don't know that he ever will. But prosecutors summarizing one of the interviews with Keefe D in court documents, wrote, and this is from right after Tupac's death. Sean Combs reaches out to defendant wondering if Southside Crips were responsible for Shakur's death by asking, is that us? Defendant beaming with pride, answers, yes. And that is probably how it went down. Because often these things are not like, I ordered a hit and then he was shot. It was more. I made it known and I spread some money around. Like, I wanted someone to take a shot at this guy, but, like, other people could have done it. Like, I don't know.

[Will]

You know, this is what I'm talking about. The clout industry of this, because it is part entertainment industry. It's part. It's part male ego. And, like, especially at this time, like, the way that the rap industry was, was, like, very, like, strong, like, male ego centric type stuff. You know, it was like Tupac, literally the beef between him and Biggie, like, you know, Biggie made who shot you? And he responded. Tupac responded with saying, you claim to be a player, but I fucked your wife. You know, like, he. He came back with what at that time was considered the most. And the rumors around him and Faith Hill actually having, you know, a relationship were certainly like, that's real shit. You know, like, this is a real, like, manly type fight. You know, this is what they're fighting about, is these chauvinistic type concepts.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, no, I mean, it's exactly like I put two bullets in Dan from Knowledge fight, you know, not because I didn't like him, just because, you know, he was on my turf. Right. You know, he was on my turf and he didn't call me before Jordan went to Portland. You know, this is just the way nobody likes it. This is just the way podcasting has to be. There's no other way to do it, you know?

[Will]

Sorry, man.

[Robert Evans]

There's no other way to do it. Yeah, yeah. One of the NPR guys stabbed me, you know, that's just the way it is. One of those Radio Lab guys. I'm not going to tell you which one. I don't talk except for I know snitch. I know snitch.

[Will]

I'll snitch on Joe Rogan.

[Robert Evans]

I'll snitch on Joe Rogan.

[Will]

Yeah, I'll snitch on Joe Rogan. Let me find out some news on him.

[Robert Evans]

So anyway, not conclusive, but probably pretty safe to say Diddy had something to do with the Tupac killed.

[Will]

At the very least, he influenced it by positively putting put that word into the hood.

[Robert Evans]

Right.

[Will]

If you kill him, there's money on it for you.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, exactly. And, you know, obviously the greater crime in this is the fan art that this whole tragic rivalry has inspired. I'm speaking specifically. I wrote this episode listening to a bunch of Tupac and Biggie songs. And while I was. You know how YouTube does its thing, and it took me to a playlist some DJ had made that was like, Tupac and Biggie songs called Biggie vs Tupac. This has nothing to do with the story, but whoever made it did a Photoshop that Sophie's gonna show you, and it's supposed to be like, split down the middle. Tupac's face and Biggie's face, side by Side. But the way they did it, it just looks like Tupac had a stroke.

[Will]

Oh, my God. I can already picture it. Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

So if you show it off.

[Will]

Okay, I got it.

[Robert Evans]

It just looks like Tupac stroked out. It's just the way, like, Biggie's got kind of those drooping. Not a successful Photoshop, my man. I'm sorry.

[Will]

Oh, my God. Here's the thing, man. Just like, you know, just like nwa, you know, the largest consumers of this east coast, west coast rap war were suburban white kids. You know, it's like. And this is true with even today, like, you get into like the Travis Scott stuff. You get into, like any rap that's like, you know, it is largely consumed by suburban white. Who also. I'm sorry, guys, like, you know, same team or whatever. But you guys can be some of the dumbest, corniest people that exist on the planet. Like, that is pretty brutal, man. Like, the Doubt. Like the.

[Robert Evans]

As a suburban white kid who was listening to fucking Biggie when I was 15.

[Will]

Yeah, me too. Sorry, guys. Yeah, we just weren't really nailing it.

[Robert Evans]

I'm gonna be a gangster one day. Plano fucking tech. God, that was so funny. All the kids who would pretend. Pretend to be fucking gangsters.

[Will]

Oh, my God, dude, it is. They're just consumer of that beef. And also, even today, we're still sitting with this, the Kendrick Drake thing right now that is going on. I don't know how plugged in you are to this. I've tried to tell him. Yeah, it seems largely egged on by, like, suburban white populists.

[Robert Evans]

No, and I honestly, I'm considering taking some shots at Drake. This seems like the time to do it, you know.

[Will]

Yeah, he's low. He's low. You can really get some in and nobody can say anything.

[Robert Evans]

This is going to be huge for.

[Will]

Our podcast, punching down on drake with whatever 400 billion streams on Spotify.

[Robert Evans]

So Sean Puffy Combs at this point has helped to orchestrate half a coast's campaign of assassinations that led to the deaths of two of the greatest rappers of all time and also some other people. This was a tough period for Diddy, though, because after Biggie died, he's successfully gotten rid of one of his major competitors at the cost of losing his own golden goose.

[Will]

Sort of.

[Robert Evans]

Sort of.

[Will]

Sort of. He waited a whole two weeks to release his album. Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah. So he releases his first hit single in January of 1997. An album follows in July, which includes a touching tribute to Biggie titled I'll Be Missing You. It might as well be titled I'll be cashing in on your death.

[Will]

Although the complaint that you're going to get from this, people are going to be like. But he never cleared the sample. Right. From Sting, right?

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, he samples Stings every move you take, right?

[Will]

Yeah.

[Robert Evans]

The greatest crime.

[Will]

Yeah, he never clears it. And he, to this day, like Sting, collects a pretty big amount of cash off of that. However, don't also forget that this is a time in the world where appearances pay, radio play pays. Like everything pays. This isn't Spotify era where, like, you know, the song being everywhere in the entire world doesn't give you any money, even though you're not getting any publishing off of it. Because when you record it yourself, you own that. That's the master recording. You own your version of it. Yeah, for certain things. Right. Publishing is one thing. They can take all the publishing and you still make money off of that song because it plays places.

[Robert Evans]

Yep.

[Will]

So it's not like. It's not like he made no money off of that. That's. I just know, like, people are gonna. But he didn't cash in on that because. Okay, you know. You know. No, it's like there's still money to be made. Especially in the 90s, there was still a lot of money to be made off of. And having a number one song in.

[Robert Evans]

The country, this is the first rap single to debut at number one on the Billboard top 100. Like, he makes a lot of money as a result.

[Will]

Everybody knows this song. He comes out at the VMAs dancing in a white suit. Like it was actually iconic. It was actually iconic. The Biggie memorial in the background.

[Robert Evans]

Oh, God, his dead friend's huge face. Is he just fucking cash register sounds going off immediately.

[Will]

And there is also, real quick, just to backpedal a second. There is a lot of talk about Biggie wanting to leave Puffy's lady before this happens. There is interviews with tons of people. Again, unreliable narrator type stuff. But there is a lot of interviews of people saying that Biggie wanted out of his deal with Bad Boy because he felt like Puffy was taking advantage of him. He felt like he wasn't getting what he should from his music that he wasn't getting. Like, I think at the time, like he was worth like maybe $20 million or something like that. You now. But he was not like reaping what he actually should have from 90s era music. You know, it's like when you had a banger in 90s era music, you made like $50 million. It was like an insane amount of money that you could make. Like, if you talk about 90s bands, they were selling, they were still selling physical product. It's not like now with streaming and stuff like that. They were selling a physical product. So if you had a platinum album in the 90s, you made 25, 30 million. If your label didn't screw you, if there were, you know, if you weren't getting fucked over, you made like 30 or 40 million dollars. Like you made in a tremendous amount of money. There's a lot of. There's a lot of conversation about Biggie having known that prior to his death, which also leads to the implication that he may have actually been involved in his own death.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, and we're largely just staying away from that because it's not provable. And the stuff that's provable is honestly a lot worse.

[Will]

Again, very unreliable narrators everywhere. But it should at least be known that there is the theory out there in the world that that is something that goes on, you know, that that happened and that was what he was part of with that.

[Robert Evans]

Well, that's going to do it for part two. Will, you got anything to plug before we roll out, man?

[Will]

I have podcasts. If you are a nerd and you like audio stuff, but not nerdy audio stuff, I have a podcast called that Sounds About Right with my friend Shane Lance, who is a polar opposite of me as a human. He's very Christian, very positive human being and I am divorced three times, so we make a good pair and we talk about cool audio stuff about our own careers and a little inspirational. I mean, it's called that Sounds About Rock. Right. I also am found all over the Internet on things from YouTube to TikTok under greasy will. Greasy Will music Greasy. I'm easy to find a Z and only one L on Will.

[Robert Evans]

Yeah, check him out. And check me out on Bluesky @ I write. OK. And check out our other podcast.

[Will]

Are you loving Blue Sky?

[Robert Evans]

We're all on Blue Sky. It's fine. It's great now. Yeah, I'm happy you actually, you liked.

[Will]

One of my shoots the other day on your thing and people were very excited about it. It was great. I don't have many followers on Blue sky, but I share some really dark, twisted thoughts on there. So, you know, if you're into that, you can find me there too.

[Robert Evans]

I'm sure watch Will cancel himself and watch me cancel myself all on Blue Sky.

[Will]

Blue Sky.

[Robert Evans]

All right, well, that's it.

[Will]

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[Ellie Flynn]

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[Will]

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[Will]

Wow. Very powerful.

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[Greasy Will]

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[Greasy Will]

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[Robert Evans]

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[Will]

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[Robert Evans]

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[Will]

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[Robert Evans]

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[Will]

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[Robert Evans]

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[Robert Evans]

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