Part Two: Romana Didulo: Queen of Canada

Summary

Behind the Bastards – Part Two: Romana Didulo: Queen of Canada

Podcast: Behind the Bastards (Cool Zone Media & iHeartPodcasts)
Date: February 5, 2026
Host: Robert Evans and co-host Sophie
Guest: Prop (Jason Petty)
Episode Focus: The bizarre rise of Romana Didulo, the self-declared "Queen of Canada," her cult, grifts, and the real-world harm caused by her delusion and influence.

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Overview

This episode continues the deep-dive into Romana Didulo, a conspiracy-driven grifter who leveraged QAnon-adjacent beliefs, sovereign citizen rhetoric, and cult-like manipulation to become a destructive, if absurd, figure in Canadian fringe politics. The team unpacks how her fantasies evolved from online absurdity to real-world danger, exploring both the psychological appeal and the tragic fallout for her followers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Grifting Playbook: From Delusion to Real-World Cult

(03:33–07:05)

• Romana’s scam began with typical cult leader moves: invent an extraordinary identity (sovereign head of state, commander-in-chief).
• Cult leaders, like billionaires, become unmoored from reality as more people around them buy into their delusions.
• Robert: “Cult leaders generally start more sane than they end up. It’s kind of like getting crazy rich… all that shit goes away. You get to opt out of everything everyone else does. Life is just a series of what you want in any given moment and nobody can ever challenge you or question you. And so you grow increasingly unmoored from reality.” (03:57)
• Advice (tongue-in-cheek): cult leaders should have a part-time job outside the cult, “to keep sane.”

2. Cults 101: Influence, Delusion, and the “Goat”

(07:05–07:41)

• The team repeatedly cites L. Ron Hubbard (LRH) as the “GOAT” of cult leaders, praising his strategic sense compared to others who spiral out.
• Host: “No one has ever been a better cult leader than Elrod, kind of… he was the king of it.” (07:07)
• Weaving in references to Hubbard and the persistent endurance of Scientology to illustrate the appeal of strong cult narratives.

3. Didulo, Grifts, Ponzi Schemes, and Quantum Nonsense

(07:41–11:22)

• Didulo’s QAnon and crypto Ponzi roots: Early backer "Whiplash347," a crypto scammer, allegedly helped Romana gain a following in hope of fleecing marks together.
• Her titles ballooned: “Sovereign Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Sovereign Republic of Canada.”
• Indoctrinated followers with promises of a "quantum financial system," where all believers get free money and debts vanish.
• Host: “We’re just doing Trump stuff here… me and the other white hats are replacing the global economy with a quantum financial system.” (10:45)

4. The Ancient Appeal of ‘Debt Jubilees’

(12:28–14:32)

• Explaining the timeless, cross-cultural lure of debt cancellation (jubilee), used both historically and as a conspiracy-theorist carrot.
• How this false hope—solution for the desperate and debt-ridden—makes cults like Didulo’s alluring to vulnerable people.

5. “Evidence” and Absurd Proofs

(15:45–16:45)

• Once people are invested, they look for retroactive proof of legitimacy, like Didulo’s name being an anagram for “I am R Donald.”
  • Host: “That’s seriously enough proof for some people. Good stuff. Wow, it must be so whimsical to believe in the world the way you do.” (16:41)
• Commentary on the childlike cognitive style required to sustain such belief.

6. From Online Cult to Real-World Consequences

(17:52–19:04, 22:59–27:30)

• Summer 2021: Didulo tests followers’ commitment, urging them to hand out sovereign citizen “cease and desist” notices to businesses enforcing mask mandates. - Language a mash‑up of American sopsit rhetoric & ESL garble (“Canada Incorporated Corporation”).
• Followership crosses from delusion into danger: mass death threats toward medical professionals.
  • Host quoting Didulo: "Death is the penalty for crimes against humanity."
  • Host: “[Her followers:] She is the only one that is saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense. It felt completely hopeless before Romana came along." (23:01)
• The conversation turns grave as they recognize language moving from childishness into violence.

7. Radicalization and Real Harm

(32:25–35:18)

• As followers become more active—posting gun pictures, prepping for violence—the hosts discuss markers of escalating danger.
• Didulo orders: followers must stop paying debts—mortgages, utilities, credit cards—declaring all debt forgiven.
• Prop: “I’d be so frustrated if this was my partner… you have to pay the mortgage. I’m done with your little telegram thing!” (34:09)
  • Real-world fallout: followers evicted, lose power, and suffer real hardship.

8. Compassion & Critique of Vulnerability

(38:27–39:53)

• Hosts emphasize the importance of viewing many followers as victims, not mere idiots—anyone can fall for a cult at a moment of vulnerability.
• Robert: “I think everyone has a point in their life and a cult that they could have fallen victim to... We're not born immunized to it.” (37:30)
• Still, this cult’s marks aren’t “the brightest” given the transparently unreal nature of Didulo’s claims.

9. Escalation: Duck Hunters, Executions, and International Fantasies

(40:18–44:06)

• “Duck hunters”: Didulo’s term for followers ready to physically detain or kill “traitors” (doctors, politicians).
  • Telegram posts: “I can bunk a few duck hunters in my home. I’m all set to hunting gear ready.” (30:01)
• Direct incitement: shoot-to-kill orders morphing into calls for arrests/trials/executions.
• Outreach to American gun owners (“my American brothers and sisters… bring extra guns”) as recruitment tactic and to expand movement southward.

10. Flirting with Real-World Violence & Consequences

(44:31–46:49)

• Didulo’s online groups penetrated by researchers; threats escalate to a follower arrested for threatening a school shooting (his post: “Time to go hunting. Bang, bang.”)
• Law enforcement, including the RCMP, finally intervene with a wellness check—no charges filed.

11. The Trucker Convoy and Public Appearance

(46:49–57:57)

• Didulo’s first foray into the public eye during the Ottawa “Freedom Convoy.”
  • Her inner circle: Corey and Daisy, first-hand witness to the squalor she lived in and the delusions up close.
  • When Didulo burns a Canadian flag (symbolically “destroying” the old regime), many right-wing protesters (themselves no strangers to conspiracy) bail, considering Didulo too extreme—and racist tensions surface.
  • Despite attempts, she’s ignored by media, causing visible jealousy and frustration (“Thousands of years this plan’s been in work. And suddenly you say truckers freed the world. Get your head out of the toilet bowl, eh?” [57:42])

12. Cult Life: Caravans, Delusions of Grandeur, and Financial Absurdity

(57:57–64:29)

• Didulo’s movement transitions to living in an RV convoy. Fails to abide by rental agreements, returns RVs to avoid financial fallout—proof, say hosts, of some rationality amid madness.
• Keeps hotel rooms open “just in case Vladimir Putin drops by”—and claims Putin gifted her a “signed” watch.
• Doubles down on narcissistic fantasies: claims Air Force One is now hers (“QR1”), Kim Jong Un displays her flag, MBS is her “brother.”

13. Galaxies Beyond: Intergalactic Queen

(67:39–69:10)

• Didulo adopts an otherworldly twist: claims to be from the planet Arcturus, guided by “the Yoda,” and in communication with galactic federations.
• Didulo, per interview: “The Arcturians are the most advanced. Like the Yoda.” (68:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On cult leaders & delusion:
  • Robert: “It’s objectively breaking your brain.” (05:08)
  • Sophie: “No more chores. And all grownups have to eat vegetables for everyone. Okay baby, that’s your new laws.” (11:49, humorously comparing Didulo’s policies to a child’s imaginary rule-making.)
• On the psychological pull:
  • Host quoting follower: “She is the only one saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense… It felt completely hopeless before Romana came along.” (23:03)
• On cult victimization:
  • Robert: “Anyone could wind up in a cult… We’re not born immunized to it.” (37:30)
• On Didulo’s spiraling claims:
  • Sophie (re: MBS and world leaders): “She is wonderful. She covered every base.” (66:20)
  • Host on Putin: “For a good period of that time, Corey and Daisy said Didulo made them keep a room open for more than $300 a night. Just in case Vladimir Putin dropped by.” (61:26)
• On the “galactic queen” arc:
  • Host: “She’s an alien from outer space… from the planet Arcturus. The Arcturians are the most advanced. Like the Yoda.” (68:19)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:33 | Cult grift origin – how delusions become reinforced, comparison to billionaires | | 07:05 | L. Ron Hubbard as “GOAT” of cult leaders, enduring legacy | | 10:45 | “Quantum financial system” and promises of debt cancellation | | 15:45 | Absurd “evidence”: anagrams, searching for proof after belief | | 22:59 | First offline test: handing out “cease and desist” anti-mask documents; sovereign citizen rhetoric| | 23:01 | Death threats and hope as psychological bait; follower enthusiasm for “hopeful” violence | | 34:09 | Real harm: followers losing homes, power, “son can’t go to school” annotations | | 40:18 | Rise of “duck hunters” – code for armed followers, fantasies of executing enemies | | 44:31 | Actual threats: school shooting plan in Telegram group | | 46:49 | Didulo’s debut at the Truck Convoy, public flag-burning, alienation from other right-wingers | | 57:42 | Her jealousy as the “queen” is upstaged by the truckers’ movement | | 61:26 | Bizarre claims: room for Putin, watch gifted by “Putin,” lies about MBS, Kim Jong Un, etc. | | 68:19 | The galactic queen: claims of being an alien, guided “by the Yoda” |

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Tone & Style

• The hosts blend sharp wit, deadpan banter, and empathetic critique.
• Tone alternates between incredulous comedy (“this song is objectively trash,” “this is like playing tea party with a kid”) and serious reflection, especially at moments where follower harm or real-world danger is discussed.
• Memorable running bits: references to “the Yoda,” debates over cult leader tactics, and jabs about cultist intelligence.

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Final Thoughts

This part of the Romana Didulo series captures both the wild creativity and tragic destructiveness of modern fringe cults. The episode oscillates between laughing at the outlandishness of Didulo’s claims (alien bloodlines, world leaders, and “the Yoda”) and genuine sadness at the human cost—followers bankrupted, families torn, real people endangered.

Next up: How does Romana’s story conclude? Has her cult peaked or are darker days ahead? Stay tuned for part three.

Transcript

[Robert]

Corezone Media.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Welcome back.

[Robert]

Sorry. I was doing Robert. I was doing Robert.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

It was fun. Yeah, well, I did it first. I'm always the first to be Robert, if you don't count that guy who produced the Godfather.

[Robert]

I don't.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

But other than him, no other Roberts anywhere. That's right. Yeah. A lot of people are saying this. A lot of people are saying this. I'm saying this.

[Robert]

You're the only Robert. You're the only Robert.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

That's right.

[Sophie]

Only Robert.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

That's right. You would have met one if there was another. And if you have met one, you're a liar. Anyway, welcome back to behind the Bastards, a podcast about bastards, and this week about the Queen of Canada, Romana Digilo Prop. Jason Petty, our guest. How you doing?

[Sophie]

I'm here, man. I can't wait to talk about Tita here that swear she's the Queen of Canada.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Commander in Chief.

[Sophie]

Queen of Canada.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Commander in chief. Queen of Canada.

[Sophie]

The Canada first party of Canada.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

That's right.

[Sophie]

For Canadians.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

If someone. If someone came up to me and said, I'm the commander in chief and you have to do what I say, I'd say, I'm simply not in the military, motherfucker.

[Sophie]

I would probably. Her roommate would be like, oh, word. All right.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Well, yeah, probably, like, realistically like, oh, your majesty. Excellent. Great. Out of here. Fantastic.

[Sophie]

Your majesty, do you want some coffee? Because I was going to make some coffee.

[Robert]

Coffee, but you're like, oh, shit. You got that royal money. Guess that means we can upgrade to, you know.

[Sophie]

I know.

[Robert]

You know.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Can we get HBO now?

[Sophie]

Espn, you know what I'm saying?

[Robert]

Guess we're getting that.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

That.

[Robert]

That dope TV package, like, you feel me?

[Sophie]

When is we leaving?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Can we finally afford espn? Oh, no, of course we can't afford espn. Even. Even a royal salary can't pay for espn. The queen had to fucking pirate that shit. Yes.

[Sophie]

Jesus Christ.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Robert]

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[Sophie]

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Anyway, let's talk about this great grift. Well, not that great grift. This kind of like, shockingly mediocre and lazy grift that works way better than it ought to. Now, in any con like Romana was pulling, there's usually the initial grift, right? There's the play someone is intentionally making when they start down the road of declaring themselves the Queen of Canada or whatever, right? Yeah. There's like, this is my immediate plan for how I am going to make money or make myself famous or whatever. Improve my situation by lying about this thing, right. And then that initial grift, either they achieve it, you know, in some cases they meet their initial goals and then they have to figure out, well, what am I gonna do next? In some cases, the initial goals prove impossible, but they get anyway. There's what, there's the initial grift and then there's what the grift grows into over time as the leader and the followers become less and less moored to reality, Right? That's also the factor is that I think cult leaders in general, especially the ones who say, I'm an alien, I'm the reincarnation of Jesus, you know, I'm the secret king or the secret queen, when it's that sort of thing where I am this kind of person or being that I couldn't possibly be. Everyone believe that in those cases, especially the cult leaders generally start more sane than they end up. And it's kind of like getting crazy rich, right? If you get billions of dollars, suddenly you go from, I have to interact with the world. And my experience in the world is a mix of what I want to do and what other people want and how society is set up. And so there's times where I have to compromise, there's times where I have to do stuff I don't like, like go to the DMV or stand in line at the tsa. Cause that's just life in society, right? It is what it is. And then when you're a billionaire, all that shit goes away. You get to opt out of everything everyone else does. Life is just a series of what you want in any given moment and nobody can ever like challenge you or question you. And so you grow increasingly unmoored from reality. Crazy as we're all watching happen in public to all of the billionaires who run our society, right? Yeah.

[Sophie]

People stop telling you no.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Exactly. And the same shit happens, probably in a more accelerated and even more aggressive way, when all of the people around you are playing into this delusion that you're Jesus or a queen or a king or something, right? Like where you are pretending to be some sort of supernatural infallible being and 100% of the people you talk to on a day to day basis are all buying into it. That damages your brain more. I'm not trying to make you, oh, the poor cult leader. But it's like, objectively they lose their sanity the longer they do this because it's bad for you.

[Sophie]

Yeah, I mean, there's. Yeah, like, I think you use the right word of like, this is. It's objectively breaking your brain.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yes, yes.

[Sophie]

Yeah, you're just. You are losing a complete grip and. Yeah, you can't not know when you put your little single out for your new. Your new, you know, techno DJing career. You know what I'm saying? That like, you, this song is objectively trash.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

But like, like, if I were to start a cult where I convinced people that I was some sort of divine figure, I would also get like a part time job at a Barnes and Noble or something. Just that I had something outside of the cult business that I would like go to and like be around. And that way you can stay, you can keep yourself one step ahead of the feds. Right? You're not gonna lose your mind too much. You know, every cult leader go out and get a part time job doing something normal. You know, if you really want your cult to go the distance anyway. Just some free advice for the cult leaders out there.

[Sophie]

I feel it. You know what I'm saying?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

The backup plan, it has to be solid enough to where you can maintain pieces of the grift.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Right.

[Sophie]

You know, and somebody might follow you there.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

But like, you have to keep knowing what reality is enough to avoid the pitfalls of reality. Right?

[Sophie]

But you're not. Yeah, you're not ended up, you're not ending up in the, you know, the John McAfee situation. You feel me?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Like, exactly. McAfee's a great example, right? Like he went too far. He bought into too much of his bullshit and the world was not willing to. To float his delusions any longer. Whereas you compare him to the Goat, right, to L. Ron Hubbard, where as crazy as he got and as many nuts things as he convinced people to believe. LRH Always knew. Time to get in the boat. Time to leave. I gotta get out of this country. Fucking law is coming for me. Time to bounce. I'm out.

[Sophie]

Listen, you know, I tried to make my movie work. Let's just go to the boats.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Time for the boats. Hit the boats.

[Robert]

You calling LRH the Goat will never not be funny.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

He's the, he was the. No one has ever been a better cult leader than Elrod, kind of. Right? Like he, he, he was the king of it. He's so good at being a cult leader.

[Sophie]

You know, the fact that, like, it still exists. Like, that's the crazy part about.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I was in L. A last week or, like, two, three days ago, and I ran past the Scientology building. It's still here. It's huge.

[Sophie]

It is. Outlived his legacy like that.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

L. Ron Hubbard boulevard.

[Sophie]

Yeah. At that point, you have to, like, no, you're the goat. Like, we all. Every documentary, every expose, we all know, but it's still sitting right here. I'm like, you win.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

You win, bro. Yeah. Anyway, he did it. He did it. Yeah. So Sartoshi. Christine Sartoshi's write up gives us the best insight into what the original con that Didilo was going for might have been. Quote, an investigation biologically revealed that Whiplash347 was one the two main Telegram hub channel leaders involved in recruiting individuals to invest in fraudulent cryptocurrency tokens. Described by experts as a large and well organized ponzi scheme, Whiplash is the guy who, like, first backed Romana from the qanon world. Okay. This ponzi scheme netted the scammers approximately $2 million. The nature of Didulo's affiliation and or relationship with Whiplash347 remains unclear. So, again, we don't know why this guy got in bed with her, but he was. He's like a crypto Ponzi scammer. And my guess is that was the original plan or something like that for him. Some sort of Ponzi scam. Well, and he. She was involved too, where he was like, look, if you can get some juice behind you, we can sell your followers on some bullshit and split the money. That would be my guess. I don't know. My guess is something like that was because of. Because of who this whiplash person is, that he's a ponzi scam guy, and because there's no other reason for her to have suddenly started supporting deji lo's claims other than he thought maybe she had the juice to get a following and he could wrench a bunch of money out of her followers. That's. That's the only thing I can think of. Right. I don't know, but that would make sense to me.

[Sophie]

Um, I can see her not having any idea what crypto is either, but anyway.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Right. Exactly. And just listening to whatever this guy says.

[Sophie]

Totally.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

As the summer of 2021 began, Romana di Diullo added the title sovereign to her name. So her full honorific was so sovereign head of state and commander in chief of the Sovereign Republic of Canada. Love it. Again, you don't need sovereign twice. Love it. Head of state implies sovereign.

[Sophie]

Sovereign.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I would say head of state and commander Chief. The Sovereign Republic of Canada. Sure. But love it. Weird to do it the other way of Canada.

[Sophie]

You know what I'm saying?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

And there are, as you might guess, there's some sovereign citizen stuff mixed into this too. She's also part of that community. Some of her language, especially around, like, debt cancellation, is very sobsit. She refers to Canada, the government of Canada. The illegitimate one is like an illegitimate corporation that's ruling Canada. Very sovereign citizen adjacent stuff. Okay? Which is. It's an American. Sovereign citizens should be very wrapped up in America and American law. But they're all over the world because all you need to do is just make a bunch of fake court papers for whatever country you're in and convince people, you know? Anyway, okay, so she announces. As soon as this is in her first year as being the queen, she starts announcing a bunch of new policies. Like any new world leader, right? You start putting out, here's the big policies. I'm gonna do executive orders. These all sounded crazier in 2021 and 2022. They now just sound like actual policies of the US government. Because she withdrew Canada from the United nations, withdrew Canada from the who, and canceled all foreign aid. She advised her followers. So first off, we're just doing Trump stuff here, right? Like maybe. I mean, Trump's doing dejullo stuff, right? Yeah, that's like two ripping her off.

[Sophie]

Bar Bar Fam.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Right? Right. She advised her followers to prepare for a complete and total worldwide shift in financial systems. The world now lived under the quantum financial system, which, in brief, meant that everyone who believed in the quantum financial system got a bunch of free money. And if you were poor and riddled with debt under the old, we'd say real financial system. Under the quantum financial system, you're suddenly rich. Right? And that's the. Me and the other white hats are replacing the global economy with a quantum financial system. And now all the poor people have money, right? That's the idea.

[Sophie]

I love it. I am, as the father of two daughters, the amount of times I've had to sit down and eat and get paid money and eat imaginary meals, and you just have to go along with it. Mmm. This tastes so good. And it's just a shredded piece of paper.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I had so much imaginary tea. Yeah.

[Sophie]

Oh, my gosh. This is definitely given that. So my first thing is I am outlawing chores. Okay, baby.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Okay, sure.

[Sophie]

No more Chores.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

No more chores.

[Sophie]

No more chores. And all. All grownups have to eat vegetables for everyone. Okay baby, that's your new laws. Anyway.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Go on. Sure, yeah, absolutely.

[Sophie]

Sure.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I mean and that's, you know, I. We can talk about how the laws should be. I do think that all grownups should have to eat the vegetables. I agree with that.

[Sophie]

And not the vegetables off her plate. Those yo vegetables. Anyway.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

We'Re not gonna agree on this. Cause I'm a bedtime abolitionist prop.

[Robert]

Oh my God.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Very anti bedtime.

[Sophie]

That's a dude that ain't got kids. Let me tell you something.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

You're damn right no. If I had kids I'd be incredibly pro bedtime.

[Sophie]

Yes.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

So this nonsense she's peddling about the quantum financial system has its origins in another series of episodes we've done. A couple of years ago I did a two parter on Ness Gessera in E S A R A G E S A R A which is an old conspiracy theory. Right. And it's an economic one. And Nessera and Gessera started out as a real series of economic reform propositions in the 1990s. This was a. The origin of this is there were some actual attempts to reform our economic system that people misinterpret. And it becomes by the late 90s, early 2000s this conspiratorial belief that all. There's gonna be a debt jubilee so all debt will be canceled and an economic reset. Right. Which is a super first off in order to just kind of. Cause we talk a lot about how silly conspiratorial beliefs are and they are. I want to peel back a little bit because wanting to believe very badly in a jet jubilee not only is like I understand why people would want that, but that goes back really far.

[Sophie]

I was gonna say it's pretty ancient.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

The roots of Judaism in a lot of ways there's a lot that's some Deuteronomy shit.

[Sophie]

Not that that that's the roots but.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

In the roots of Judaism there's a lot of talk about debt jubilees. Right. It's all over the Bible. This used to be a thing. And part of it was if you've got a new king, this wasn't just a thing that happened in the Judeo and Christian world. Right. If you got a new king and the new king, as often happens, maybe came to power through a little bit of conflict with whoever was in charge before or the new king really needs to establish and get the support of the people. All your debts are clear. No one owes Anything anymore. Right. It wasn't universal, but it happened a lot because it's a smart way to get people on your side.

[Sophie]

Yeah, everybody's doing start over. Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

It's so everyone's credit card debt. If a guy became the president was like, all your debts are canceled. How would you feel about that? President I vote for probably better than you do about the current president.

[Sophie]

I'd vote for his third term. It's also like the preposterousness of saying that America is $4.9 trillion in debt. You're just like, yeah, that's okay. Zero.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Come on, just hit zero, dude.

[Sophie]

Like, it's not. What are we talking about?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I mean, theoretically could call some of that, like, Right. Like that's part of the problem with us fucking around their allies is. But like, also, realistically, who's gonna do that? Who's gonna do that and just nuke the global economy right now? Maybe in the future when people have uncoupled themselves from the dollar, but it's not good for anybody anyway. Whatever. I find this all interesting just because this is. There's a really old desire to believe in stuff like this. And it's a huge part of. There's all sorts of different expressions of this adjacent to and underneath the MAGA movement. There was a lot of talk within QAnon people about an economic reset. There was even this side belief that like, for whatever reason, people should be collecting Iraqi dinars. Cuz Trump was about to like revalue the dinar and it would suddenly be worth a bunch of money for again, weird conspiratorial reasons, but like, a bunch of white people in the Midwest were buying like old Iraqi currency in their belief that it would make them rich one day. Hell yeah, man. People in Iraq don't even want to take dinars. I've had to spend money there and I usually spent dollars in euros. You know, nobody wants the fucking dinar if they can avoid it. And a big chunk of like, what gets taken out of Nessera and jesser this older conspiracy theory into the modern era is this idea of a debt cancellation. It's prominent among MAGA people, prominent among, you know, the Q movement. And that's what she's tapping into. And it's a tantalizing proposition for desperate people living on the margins who are always the people most likely to find themselves drawn towards cults. Right. Romana di Diullo's teachings found their audience followers had reasons to convince themselves she was legit. Including the fact. And this is my favorite Is once people decide they believe in her, they have to work backwards to try to find evidence that, like, you know, there's all sorts of clues that she's legitimate. And one of the chief ones is that her name, Romana Digilo, is an anagram for I am R Donald. Like, I am the Canadian Donald. That's seriously enough proof for some people. Good stuff. Good stuff. Wow, it must be so whimsical to believe in the world the way you do. Wow, man.

[Sophie]

These people are at the red light next to you. Like, these are.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yes. And these people are at the red. Well, not in Canada, but in the US they're allowed to buy all the same guns you are, which is not great.

[Robert]

Yes, they can. All their votes count as much as yours.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, that part doesn't matter because voting isn't real. Sophie. The mushroom aliens inside Mount Shasta control all of our elections. But, you know, let's continue with the story.

[Robert]

I am our Donald. I am our Donald.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I am our Donald. I've been saying that for years. Sophie, you are our Donald. Thank you.

[Sophie]

I'm gonna find an Instagram for Sophie's name before this is over.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Donald Sutherland. I assumed we were talking about. I've always considered you the Donald Sutherland of Cool Zone Media.

[Robert]

At first I, like, misheard. I thought you said Donald Sterling, and I got real scared.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I was like, whoa, I don't know who that is.

[Sophie]

Good. Keep it that way, sir.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

But I know who Donald Sutherland is because I just watched him in a not very good movie.

[Robert]

Donald Sterling would be a great Bastards episode.

[Sophie]

Actually, he'd be a great Bastards episode. I feel like you should lead that one, Sophie.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Put him on the list. Put him on the list.

[Robert]

The list that never dies.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yes. So to get back to Romana, once you start to feel as a cult leader, like you might as an. As a. As a fledgling cult leader. Right. Because she's spent months now building her telegram. She's got tens of thousands of people. She's getting traction. People are talking about her. Right. Within the Q movement, but she doesn't. She hasn't met any of them in person. She's not like. I think she's taking some donations now, but she hasn't made a bunch of money off of this. I think this is the point at which you have to kind of make a plunge. Am I just someone who's created a weird little Internet community, or do I really have a cult here? Right. And so if you want to answer that question, the next thing you gotta do is stretch your muscles. So In June of 2021, she starts ordering her followers to hand out. And by stretch your muscles, I mean try to get your followers to do things in the real world before you take the plunge into, like, follow me. We're all gonna live together, and you need to give me all your money. You gotta see, can I get him to do anything other than, like, hang out on my telegram? Right.

[Sophie]

No, it's real.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, yeah. It's smart. It's smart. She's got a picture, man.

[Sophie]

Maybe. Maybe your song had a cool little TikTok audio, but, like, you can't. You can't sell a concert ticket. You don't have a career.

[Robert]

So.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, you got to test that shit out first.

[Sophie]

Yeah, totally.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

This is part I sometimes feel as I study these, because I never know. You never get none of these. Very few of these cult leaders ever admit to, like. And I spent years reading about other cult leaders and how they did things that I wouldn't. What to do when I, you know, my time came. They never say that. I assume some of them do. A part of me, I have this belief that there's. It's almost like there's, like, a subset of Homo sapiens that's, like, the cult leader. And some people are just born with a set of, like, instincts that makes them, like. Cause a lot of her behavior feels instinctual. Like, you're feeling out how to make and keep a cult going, how to grow it. I don't know. Maybe it's like being the Jedi. Maybe it's like, you've got enough midi chlorians and you can. You can build a cult. Right. And I've always said that Ron Hubbard was the Anakin Skywalker of American cults. But anyway, he really is. Including the fact that he got Ewan McGregor burnt his arms and limbs off. A lot of people don't know that about L. Ron Hubbard.

[Sophie]

You know, he got Ewan McGregor to burn his.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. Burn his limbs off. Yeah. On a volcano planet where he kept his mansion. Yeah.

[Sophie]

Got it.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. I sometimes mix up Darth Vader's lore and L. Ron Hubbard's lore, but I think I've got it right this time, so.

[Sophie]

Nailed it.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

When you start to think, you know, all right, it's time to get out into the real world, see if I can get my followers to do anything. Right. So In June of 2021, she starts ordering her followers to hand out cease and desist notices to local businesses with mask mandates. Right. Cause she's really angry about the COVID mandates. She's angry about the lockdown. So she has her followers putting these up on businesses that require masks and basically anywhere that they'll get attention and Sophie will put up on for the video version. You can see here's a copy of one of these. Cease and desists. I'm going to read it to you. Notice to cease and desist effective today. And there's a blank for the date. I am the witness of the law serving you a lawful document. Cease and desist Order to stop immediately all unlawful Covid measures. This is very sovereign citizen language. I am a witness of the law serving you a lawful document. We are now living in a sovereign Republic of Canada and are no longer in Canada Incorporated Corporation which again the doubling up on length. Canada Incorporated Corporation. Huh? Your business is operating in the sovereign Republic of Canada. Our newly appointed head of State, Commander in Chief Head of Government of Canada Monadiculo by lawful order requires that we resume our lives back to normal and open our businesses to full capacity. All former COVID 19 measures and restrictions are unlawful, unscientific and unjust and therefore invalid. Null and void. This means no more pandemic lies. No more masks. No more social distancing. No more temperature taking. No more lockdowns. No more quarantine or self imposed isolation. No more genocidal Covid vaccines. No vast vaccine passport and ID chips. If you still enforce any of the former Covid measures on any leaving breathing man, woman, staff and customers, you are violating the all caps universal human rights and are complicit in crimes against humanity and will be prosecuted by we the people military tribunal under national law and common law by the head of state and Commander in chief of Canada. And again it's this mix of. It's all this American sopsit language. The whole. The fact that you're coming back to we the people. That's not a Canada.

[Sophie]

It's not a Canada phrase, bro.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

That's like a we the American people thing.

[Sophie]

Some of the stuff too.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

She's very international cult. Yeah, yeah.

[Sophie]

Some of this stuff also sounds like very much like an English second language type. Like. Like you know and I. And I don't know. You know. I'm saying Canada like Corporation Canada Incorporate corporations Canada first party of Canada.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yes. Yeah.

[Sophie]

I was like kind of sounds. I didn't hit me until I read it. And I was like oh yeah, yeah.

[Robert]

That movie that Garrison made us watch. Eddington from 20.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I didn't watch it.

[Robert]

Garrison maybe watch that movie.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Garrison can't make me do anything. I'll Watch it. One of these days I haven't gotten to it.

[Sophie]

I was like, oh, oh, oh, okay, okay.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

All right.

[Robert]

But, yeah, it's crazy.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. So her followers start handing these out. Right. And I know what you're wondering reading all this. Okay. If someone still continues to enforce mask mandates or whatever after getting the cease and desist, what are the penalties? Sure. They say that you'll be prosecuted by we the people and the Queen. So how to talk about that? Here's a quote from one of Mac Lamoreaux's Vice articles summarizing Romana's rhetoric and the dynamics of her community during this period. Let's keep this simple. Didiullo wrote recently. Death is the penalty for crimes against humanity. This was met with much jubilation from hundreds of followers. Yes. Wrote one. I'm so happy we have you. Wrote another. She is the only one that is saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense. It felt completely hopeless before Romana came along. Wrote a third. As much as I hate to see people being put to death, it has become necessary because the jerks just won't stop what they're doing. Wrote yet another. Yass, yassss. You get. You get a lot there in terms of what's appealing. While this person saying she's the only one saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense, because she's saying your debts are all about to go away. All of the bad stuff that you think is genocide, the COVID stuff, that's all going away, it's all been wiped aside. It's hopeful, you know? Yeah. That's. So much of it is just. You promise people something more instead of you just reading the real news, which is often depressing and really complicated. And it's very hard to figure out, how can I help? How can I do anything to fix things. Instead, the Queen's just saying all the bad people are being put to death for wearing masks and your debts are about to go away. Just continue to listen to me and share my stuff online and send me money and the world will be fixed.

[Robert]

And how are we killing these people? What's her. What's her weapon of, like, what is she. What is she saying?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Unclear. But they're being put to death in secret.

[Sophie]

Yeah, they're going to be put to death. Maybe it's psychic.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Maybe it's psychic.

[Sophie]

Do it with her.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Psych. That's how I do it. I psychically killing people all the time, you know?

[Sophie]

All the time, dude.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Lyrically. Lyrically, yeah, exactly. I think lyrically murdering people. The.

[Sophie]

The Homo sapien joint. Like in as far as like that. That gene to be a cult leader. Like, I feel like even in listening to this, I think about this all the time. Especially with like the hood politics stuff is like, it breaks people's psyche that there are some things that are just out of your control. That there is nothing just happened, bro. Yeah, there's nothing. And I feel like Covid, like, really brought that out to where it was just like, it's a virus.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

It just exists.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Shit happens.

[Sophie]

Like, I don't. Which, like, the Earth has viruses.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

And I get, you know, having spent a little bit of time in war zones, I get how people can wind up believing, like, oh, I was like, something nearly killed killed me and it didn't. And I saw other people died. I must have been saved.

[Sophie]

Yes.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Cause like, I've had the experience of something like, you know, I was sitting at a fucking checkpoint and the guys that I'd been smoking with drove off ahead of us and got blown up by a vehicle based ied. Yeah. And I guess I could be like, I was protected, but like. But then why did God want those French people to die?

[Sophie]

Yeah, exactly. Why? God didn't pretend.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Maybe it's just a crap shoot and I got really lucky, you know.

[Sophie]

Y worked on your theology, my G. Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't think he picked me. No.

[Sophie]

Like, some stuff just be what it is just happens. And I feel like, you know. Yeah. Some is. It's just. And it's just. And. But. But the need to tie up the loose ends and have a reason for. And find out the source of. And just like part of it is just like this, like, even just them saying, man, the lockdown sucks. I'm like, yeah, I know. Me too. Fuck you want me to do? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just what it is. Nobody wanted Covid. It just happened, you know? So anyway, I just think that, like, them looking for this answer. She the only one making sense, ma'.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Am.

[Sophie]

She don't make sense at all.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

She's not making any sense at all.

[Sophie]

She's not making any sense.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

You just gave up on comprehending the world because you got too scared and angry. Yes. Yeah. And you see that too where like, I hate seeing people put to death, but the jerks just won't stop. First off, if you think a group of people need to be put to death for their crimes against humanity, and you call them jerks, they probably aren't committing crimes against humanity.

[Robert]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

When I talk about, like, when we talk about the Nazis. Yeah. No one's ever like, what a bunch of jerks. They really were some jerks. No, they were monsters. Committed crisis monsters.

[Sophie]

I don't know what to tell you.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

You know what I'm saying?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

Yeah, man.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, boy. Saddam Hussein was a real jerk when he gassed all those Kurdish civilians. You know, like, it was just not the way we use the term. It's just silly. Like, yeah, that ICE agent was a real jerk for shooting that person in the head. Like, it's just not how you do it, right. When people. You believe people should be executed. That's not how you talk about them anyway. It's very childish and very part of language like that makes me almost wonder how much do these people really believe it or are they just like. It's way more fun to spend my days pretending this is real than accepting the reality around me. I kind of think that is even more of it than I truly believe. All these people have been executed, right? Yeah, totally. I don't know, maybe. I'm maybe reading too much into it, but you know who's never been executed for crimes against humanity? Prop.

[Sophie]

Which is an issue, man.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's just go to ads.

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And we're back. So In November of 2021, Romana posted an order for the king of Canada to the king of Canada's military on her telegram. Shoot to kill anyone who tries to inject children under the age of 19 years old with coronavirus, 19 vaccines, bioweapons, or any other vaccines. This order is effective immediately. So again, she gives a shoot to kill order for the military to kill anyone giving out any kind of vaccine. She follows up by editing Shoot to kill to arrest because people do start. Is she trying to get people murdered, which she is, yes. So she does alter that slightly, but she's going to also repeatedly talk about executing people. She writes, please use airports, hospitals, schools, stadiums and other public venues to hold and detain all traitors. They will stay there until military tribunal is held for each one of them until the day they are executed via firing squad or hanging. Tita. Yeah, friend? Kill all.

[Sophie]

What military?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

What? The Canadian One. The one that she's commander in chief of, obviously. Where? Well, in Canada, you know. Yeah, Telegram. You'll find out. That's where. That's where All. All military, lawful military orders are always issued through telegram pages, you know, so in that unique way, the Internet has her community developed their own name for the armed men that she wanted detaining and executing doctors and political leaders, which kind of does suggest that she's not in control of the military. If you think that, like, you need to develop gangs of guys to detain and arrest and kill all the doctors. But the community name for these people is duck hunters. So whenever she refers to gathering her duck hunters, she's talking about the armed men that she wants to have murder all of the doctors and politicians who support masks and stuff. Got it? In a Vice article on the subject, Mac Lamoro posted a relevant screen grab from her Telegram channel. He spent a lot of time in there, which will be up on the video version now. But you see one of her followers, and it's worth noting, her telegram name is Her Majesty. All caps. I am Queen Romana. Right. Like, it's, you know, tied back to the whole I am movement. I am. She's using a lot of that language. One of her followers, a guy named Ron, says, all set. I can bunk a few duck hunters in my home. I'm all set to hunting gear ready. And then he posts a picture of several firearms on a counter table. Oh, Lord. Yeah. Several different rifles and stuff. So that's an actionable threat. When I used to teach classes on counterterrorism and stuff like that, when I used to lecture, I would be asked a lot by, like. And this is, you know, when I was at bellingcat, I was doing trainings primarily for, like, journalists and NGO employees. And one thing I get asked a lot, especially by journalists, because I'm talking people through all these Telegram channels how to find and follow different groups and different individual, like, far right figures on Telegram, which is still pretty significant place for them to organize, but at the time was even more of a hub. They would ask a lot, like, how do you know what to report on versus what not to report on? Because it's a sea of people talking about wanting to kill people and the guns that they have. And if you just. You can't publish an article being like, and here's another Nazi with a picture of a gun saying he's gonna shoot people. I don't know where. I don't know when. Cause that's not really, like, a story. Necessarily. And it also is just kind of. Riley. Because most of the people don't actually do anything.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

How do you tell if something is serious enough that you do need to start gathering more information, report on it? One thing I would tell people is if you see a sign that someone or a group is starting to experiment with real world activism. So if you've got this group of people, they're talking about wanting to shoot their enemies and they've started putting up flyers and papers in a neighborhood or whatever or something like that, or they've started showing up, well, then that's a sign. Maybe this group needs to be paid more attention to because they're starting to do stuff in the real world.

[Sophie]

It doesn't take you serious, Right?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. So when we've got Didulo's followers going up to people that they see as targets, that they see as deserving of the death penalty and handing them cease and desists and also posting pictures of their guns and talking about gathering, that's the point at which I would say you need to take these people seriously because there's every chance at least one of them is going to snap and do something tragic, Right? Yeah.

[Sophie]

For somebody to take that, her little Microsoft Word little document, your cease and desist thing, print it, sign it, and then go do the thing. Yeah. You telling me something?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. That's someone who might be willing to do something more. And that's a sign that a cult leader or that an extremist figure might have the juice to convince someone to do something. Right. Because they're starting down that road already. In January of 2022, Romana Didiullo declared all debts, debts in the Kingdom of Canada were forgiven. Followers began to halt paying their credit card bills and mortgages. And she specifically encouraged this. She would even sometimes threaten people who, like, were still paying their bills. Like, not. She wasn't like, following into people, looking into people's finances. But she would say, like, if you are still paying these bills, if you're still paying off your student loans, if you're still paying your utilities, that means you don't have faith in my government.

[Sophie]

Oh, my God. I'd be so frustrated if this was like, my partner. Like, if you're.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

You gotta stop. Yeah.

[Sophie]

And you're just like, you have to pay the mortgage. Like, I'm done with your little telegram thing.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

And this is a huge. This is something that. One of the things that Mac did a lot of work documenting as well as Sirteshi is like, the number of people who stopped paying their bills and would start posting, like, hey, we don't have any power, and school's about to be back in session, and I have a young son. I'm still not paying the power bill. Cause I know we're not supposed to, but, like, when is the power gonna get turned back on? Like, when are you gonna be in charge again? Because I just feel like I can't. Like, my son needs to go to school, and he can't go to school without electricity in the house. You get stuff like that. People lost their homes because they stopped paying their mortgages. Like, people got evicted. People. I don't know if anyone died, but when you're talking about people cutting off heating or cooling in certain times of the year in Canada, that could get someone killed, you know?

[Sophie]

No, that. That cold is evil up there.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

You could die.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

So we're now talking about someone who is, like, seriously endangering people.

[Sophie]

Yeah. This went from funny to, like, quick. You know where I was like, you ain't pay your okay?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. I want to show you guys an image that was from a. Like, a study Christine Sarteshi published on Romana di Giulo, where she's collected a bunch of different posts people have made talking about how they've stopped paying their bills and utilities. Okay, I'm gonna read a couple. You can see, like, a clip of several of them here. I'm gonna read one or two of them. I stopped paying my power and hydra bills when directed by qr. That's Queen Romana. And last month, they shut off my utilities. I've been without power during some of the hottest days I've ever felt. To add to the stress, my oldest cat passed away yesterday, and I suspect it was due to the heat. I don't know what more to do. I can't keep waiting. I need power. I' charging my phone and using the WI fi at the nearby McDonald's in the meantime. QR. Early this year, you said that Canadians do not need to pay for utilities. Recently, you've stated that it would be considered a war crime to turn off utilities. When do these royal decrees start to take effect? I've had my gas turned off by Sask Energy. I picked up the mail today and received a letter from Sask Energy legal department saying I owe them for gas. They must not have gotten your memo. Account. Now he gives his account number, right? Like, these are people.

[Sophie]

Oh, my God.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

They're still begging her. Like, you can fix this. Here's my account number. Can you make this right for them? Right? Hello? Dearest HRM Qr Her Royal Majesty, Queen Romana. Local transport services would not accept your decree 91 pertaining to free public transport services. They detained me and called the local police services. I explained and handed over the decree and asked them what criminal offense I was committing before handing over my personal id. The officers would not identify themselves either. They did not hesitate to wrestle me to the ground after a very short time, five minutes for no reason, handcuffed me and put me in their vehicles that they could write an appearance notice. They told me to go to the police station and give my fingerprints three days before going to court. A warrant would be put out otherwise. No decree covers this situation to my knowledge. What new decree or amended decree can be applied with the cease and desist that we use. Best regards, love and light, to you and your team.

[Sophie]

I bounce between. Yeah, I bounce between like, you're not dumbass.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Not up yet. You don't realize.

[Sophie]

Yeah, I bounce between, like, dumbass and like, oh, honey.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Well, like, honey, this is important because it's important to have compassion and understanding for victims. I do try to reiterate. I think everyone has a point in their life and a cult that they could have fallen victim to. Right? Anyone could wind up in a cult. That doesn't mean anyone at any point in their life could become a cult. I think there's things that can immunize you to it, but we're not born immunized to it. I think I can think of points in my life, particularly when I was, like, 19 or 20 and broke and overwhelmed with the realities of being an adult. And, like, I had no idea what I was gonna do for a living. I hated all the jobs I'd tried. I was, like, miserable. I potentially could have fallen into something right at that point in my life. I don't think everyone could fall for every cult. And I'm just gonna go ahead and say the people falling for this cult are not the sharpest.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Tools in the box, you know?

[Sophie]

Yeah. This.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

This.

[Sophie]

I mean, the second my.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

This is a particularly bad one to.

[Sophie]

Fall for, it's like, oh, honey. Yeah. Like, I. You know, look, man, if you feel like you need to, you know, wear, you know, a onesie for underwear, like, all right. All right, dude. Like, I. Fair enough.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

You think L. Ron Hubbard has mind powers? He kind of did, you know.

[Sophie]

Did. I mean, some of the biggest A list celebrities are part of this. I could see how you could fall for. To be like, I'm trying to get the juice they got, but my friend My friend, my brother in Christ, the heat's not on. And you can turn the heat on. Clearly this lady can't stop them from turning off your heat. So I don't under.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, yeah. And it's. It's this. This is part of why I also believe I just said I don't think these are on the higher end of, like, I don't think these are the brightest cult followers that ever existed. That said, I do kind of suspect a decent number of them really do know deep down that this isn't real. And so in that case, it's not even an example of people not being super on the ball. Brain wise people are just. I think a lot of people are just choosing. This is the delusion I want to be a part of. This is more fun than my regular life. This is an adventure. It's exciting. I don't think that's an insignificant percentage of her people, you know, not all of them.

[Sophie]

Leave me to my delusions.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, right. It's more fun than the real world. And it probably is. Diddulo informed her followers, until you can't.

[Sophie]

Turn the light on.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Until you can't. And again, that's why you gotta transition from just telling people to hurt themselves over the Internet to hurting them in person in a caravan of RVs, which is where the story's heading. So the Queen informed her followers.

[Sophie]

Is she the caravans?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

No, she's a part of that, but she doesn't start that idea. No, no, no, no, no. So the Queen informed her followers that military tribunals had actually been trying and executing deep state Kabbalists since 2017 as part of what she called the Nuremberg 2 trials. And I hate to backseat alternate reality here, but Turinberg was right there.

[Sophie]

Turenberg is right there.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Nervous right there. Yeah. She currently claims for an idea of how bloodthirsty this is, as silly as it is. She claims 2.7 million people have already been executed. Just like. That's like a lot. It's like a third of the Holocaust or a fourth of the Holocaust, depending on how you count it. That's a lot of people to have executed.

[Sophie]

The entire city of Toronto is gone. Okay.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. Executed at the command of, quote, our galactic federation of worlds of light beings. Because by this point, she's brought aliens into.

[Sophie]

We're in space, right?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

We're in space. There's alien white hats. They're fixing everything for us. They're gonna solve all of our problems, you know, and again, this is all a la carte, bits and pieces of Other cults of other conspiratorial beliefs. And, like, there's a little bit of Star Trek in there. Right.

[Sophie]

This is a Dinuguan bowl.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Right. All right. Queen Elizabeth, at the time, the closest pick for actual Queen of Canada. Right. Because she's like the. They're like, you know, kind of part of the. They're part of the comic, right? Yeah. And she was alive at the time, but Romana claimed. No, she was not. She had been executed previously, like in 2018 or 2019 or something. I don't know exactly when she says the queen was executed, but. But sometimes Romana would claim to have executed the queen personally, to have actually killed the queen herself. And, you know, this is the case with a lot of fake. Like, for example, Joe Biden, who's the president, when she starts her body dump, her thing. No, no, no, he's not. He was executed. He's been replaced with a fake. Trump's running things.

[Sophie]

Yeah, he's a fake.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Or actually not. She doesn't believe Trump's running things. She believes the King of America's running things from Phoenix. Biden's a fake. Yeah. She first started to gain serious notoriety as a result of her imposition of the death penalty on basically every medical professional in Canada. But as time went on, her regular threats of execution and death became a key marker of the movement. As I noted earlier, followers began describing themselves as duck hunters while posting pictures of their purported firearms. To the extent that any strategic thinking was at play at all here, I think part of what Romana was doing with this initially was trying to expand her fan base into the United States.

[Sophie]

Okay.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Any half aware cult leader has to know that we're where the big bucks are. You're just leaving money on the table if you don't think of a way for crazy Americans to follow along with the alternate reality game that you've turned your life into.

[Sophie]

Literally down the street, we're right around the corner. You have to go get it.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Gotta get involved. Right? You gotta try for some of that cash.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

She would send messages in her telegram that read, quote, american brothers and sisters in parentheses, gun owners and all American military veterans, please be ready to load those four by four flatbed trucks and trailers of yours, just in case I, Queen Romana of Canada, decides to issue a special Roya invite for you all on a short notice hashtag, duck hunting. Oh, and please bring extra guns and ammo.

[Sophie]

Oh, man, I just love that.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

American brothers and sisters, gun owners. Listen, that's what I mean when I say American brothers, Guys with guns.

[Robert]

All I read was, my American brothers and sisters, pew, pew, pew, pew. And I thought. And I thought of those, like, clowns. Those, like, racist people that had those guns. That couple that had guns at that protest.

[Sophie]

Oh, it's a little piece of those.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Commander in chief of the American military. Why do you need a bunch of random Americans with guns to do your killing?

[Sophie]

My American brother, were I the most maga pilled person, I would get this and be like, we have to go. Like, we have to go see what Canada is. This is the.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I'm taking my guns across the border. They'll let me go in.

[Sophie]

Like, I would be like, the head. We're going. We have to go. Like, let's just. We have to go, you know?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Robert]

It's just the little gun lady.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

Oh, Lord.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Okay. So. In late 2021, Didilo bragged that she had about a hundred duck hunters ready to do her bidding. A telegram group was briefly created for these followers, and according to our friends at the QAnon Anonymous podcast, was immediately infiltrated by researchers, which probably goes part of the way to explaining why that group is defunct. Now, the larger part of why that group no long exists is explained by the following story. On December 3rd of 2021, one of the Queen's followers was arrested after making threats to shoot people at his daughter's school. Quote, the post was made inside a private chat for Canadian duck hunters. The post featured the details of his daughter's school, which was offering vaccinations to their students. He wrote, time to go hunting. Bang, bang at the end of the post. The post has since been removed. It is unknown why or who took it down. I think I know why or who. I think because this guy got in trouble. Because again, if I'm a journalist seeing that, or if I'm fucking a Mountie, seeing that, that's an actionable threat. Yeah.

[Robert]

Also, I was pretty close with Pew.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Pew. Yeah. Yeah. So subsequent investigation by an accused man. Yeah. His daughter's been making her get vaccinated. Queen says I can kill him. Shouldn't I?

[Sophie]

You know, she is the Queen.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

Okay.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

He and his family were all seemingly followers of DiGillo, taking her advice to its logical conclusion. Right. All this brought Romana her first real world consequences. The rcmp, AKA the Mounties, carried out a wellness check on her, and she was briefly taken into custody, although no charges were ever filed. Again, these people are never, like, punished, I would argue. I don't think it's a violation of free speech to say if you're telling your followers, go murder all of the doctors for doing vaccinations, and then one of them threatens to do a school shooting because of what you said, you're somewhat liable to that. I think you're liable across the bounds of free speech.

[Sophie]

I think you crossed that line.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Did Sovereign Leader kill these people? Yeah, that's a bit of a thing.

[Sophie]

Yeah. It was all funny games until. Yeah, yeah, I feel like I can. The wellness check part was. Was I shouldn't have found funny, but was also funny to me where they was like, baby, are you okay?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. So up until 20, the start of 2022, Romana was a figure of growing importance on the conspiratorial fringes of Canadian politics. But not someone who'd ever impacted the real world in a big way. In fact, the Queen had never been seen in public. That all changed in late January when a group of self described truckers began occupying downtown Ottawa. This is what you were talking about, right? The big truck convoys really fuck up life in Ottawa for a while. Their demands were, shall we say, inconsistent, incoherent, and largely motivated by right wing grievances. Right. This is not a super rational movement with a lot of specific things that they want that aren't insane. But there were a lot of them. And for weeks, swarms of trucks and RVs choked the city like a boa constrictor. And the sheer spectacle made it the most exciting and potential lucrative moment in recent history for Canadian right wing figures. Right. This is a thing where Ramona's not on the ground floor of this. She doesn't help start it, but she sees this and she just hears a cash register, right? There's attention. If I can show up, a bunch of that attention will come my way and I get money. You know, a lot of people. This is the case, you know, in a lot of things you can talk about on the left wing. We had our version of this during like the 2020 uprisings. We were a bunch of grifters who were like, if I just show up at these things, I can start getting a lot of money, right? Yeah, you know? So Romana made the decision to break her isolation and display herself in public for the first time. By this point, she had accumulated a kind of inner circle, Right. A primitive one. This is like, we're not fully a cult yet. You've got those trappings. But she doesn't have any, like, real world followers quite yet. This is what's starting to happen. And the first of them were these. These People that she had appointed to moderate her telegram channel. These are kind of her initial inner circle. They were a married couple of genially deluded Canadians named Corey and Daisy. When the queen announced she was going to show up at Ottawa in person to take control of the situation, she pressed Corey and Daisy into service and had them pick her up from her home outside of downtown Victoria, B.C. the couple found their queen living in a small, filthy, and crowded room, more like a storage space than a house. As soon as they showed up, Daisy related later, we went up there, and then she told us, oh, don't call me queen right now, because everybody here knows me as Romana, and nobody knows that I'm living a double life. Now, that's both inconsistent with what she'd claimed about her roommate previously, but also, why don't. Why don't your roommates know that you're in charge of everything? Why are you secret? You talk about this online like you're not hiding your existence from the rest of the world. Why can only your roommates not know?

[Sophie]

How do you not walk into that and go, oh, man, and then just turn around and leave?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

We got conned. We got conned. Sorry. It's a fame again. Cause they wanted to have fun, right? I think because they wanted to have fun. That's, I think, as much thought as got put into it, really. Because these people do leave, so they're not crazy. They're able to catch up with reality. I think it was fun, and I think at this point, it still is. And you know what's really fun?

[Sophie]

Tell me what's really fun, Robert.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Sponsors of podcasts. Getting your money and spending it buzz show. Mm. We're back. So, as you might pick up on by the fact that they talk to the press later, Daisy and Corey get illusioned comparatively fast. And this begs the question, how did anyone fall for this con for any length of time? Yes. And I think there's some interviews that make the basics of what they were doing pretty clear. Didulo and her followers were all people who felt like something was missing from their lives. Yeah, for Romana, this was being a queen because she was not special. She was not someone who the world said was special. Right. She was someone who was living on the margins, Probably a fairly difficult life, Probably a life without a lot of, you know, fun to it because she's struggling the whole time. And not a life in which people are deferent, show deference to her. And so becoming the queen, people are suddenly treating her with respect. They're waiting on her hand and foot. There's going to eventually be money in this, but what do her followers get out of it? Well, I mean, I think they're all people who want to play at being the special boys and girls with a special world saving quest. Right. Romana offers them a fantasy and they chose to take it. I don't know how else you explained this level of willful delusion. And to emphasize that, I'm going to quote from one of Mac's articles for Vice. Corey and Daisy drove Didulo to meet about 50 cheering fans at the launch point of her convoy behind Victoria's Parliament building. One person broke into tears upon seeing her. Vice News also attended, and Didulo refused to answer any questions when asked. From there, five vehicles, including several rented RVs and about 15 people began their trek towards Ottawa at a breakneck. And you know, just the fact that like, you show up and people break into tears seeing you because they're so overwhelmed with emotion at how hopeful. Like that, number one, that's someone who has definitely drank the Kool Aid. Yeah. And that's also addictive for someone like Romana. You know, you immediately go from your shitty little hoarder house to. Yeah, people worshiping you. Why would I ever go back home? You know, facts. That's how she's going to react to this. Chris Cowan, a videographer, fell in with the group. And for a while when they passed through Calgary, he later recalled the pace that they took as aggressive with Romana micromanaging everyone's position in the caravan. If we were not within sight of the vehicle, we would get a call to go faster. He said this would prove to have been a warning sign for the future. Once they reached Ottawa, Romana and her following, which is like a little more than a dozen people. And you know, when you add in the locals in Ottawa, maybe there's a couple dozen people. It's a little unclear to me the exact numbers, but it's not huge. But it's a lot for someone like her to suddenly have waiting on her hand and foot. But they run into conflict very quickly with other right wing protesters because this is a huge movement. There's a lot of people in Ottawa. And while they're all people we might call right wing cranks, most of them don't believe that Canada has a queen who fought off the Chinese military in underground tunnels. Most of them don't believe that. That's what I'm talking about.

[Sophie]

I was waiting for this.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Maybe they're racist. Maybe they don't like lockdowns probably do believe some bullshit about COVID but they don't believe this. This.

[Sophie]

You know, I've been waiting for this moment when she run into the rest.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Of the rest of.

[Sophie]

They was like.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

And they're like, wait, what?

[Sophie]

No, people say we. People say we crazy. She's crazy.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

And this didn't work well because one of the first things she does is, as I noted above, the Canadian government is Canada Inc. Corporation, which is an invalid, evil corporation. She's the sovereign Republic of Canada that she's governing. Right?

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

So she burns a Canadian flag. The purpose of this is it's symbolic of her symbolically destroying the corrupt corporate Canadian government and replacing it with her own legitimate regime. Right. However, a bunch of angry conservatives just see a woman who is not white light a Canadian flag on fire.

[Sophie]

They always get you.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Right?

[Sophie]

That melanin will always come get you.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Super.

[Sophie]

Well, I was like. I was waiting for the Filipino part to play a role. There it is. All right.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. So this. This causes some tense standoffs and a lot of yelling, and several. A chunk of her followers leave at this point. Actually, these are people who had not gotten that deep into it. Right. This is just start. And they're like, ah, you know what? This ain't for me. I don't like this lady. I don't like what she's doing.

[Robert]

I'm like, wait, Actually, this does not seem very chill. This seems.

[Sophie]

I ain't know we was going to burn flags.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. I didn't know we were doing that.

[Sophie]

I ain't know it was getting this far.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. Okay. What's interesting to me is that DiGillo's reaction to this. I went back and forth as to like, what should you do? Should you apologize? Should you try to explain yourself? Should you try and repair? She refuses to apologize and refuses to admit any wrongdoing and instead starts attacking the truckers because she saw. She's very frustrated. Right. She's a queen. She sees this as disobedience to her rule. And she also sees. She had really been hoping this would go over better for her. That, like, this is what's gonna make me into a major national figure. I'm going to take. Take over this occupation. And this is how all. Maybe she even thought she was gonna physically take over the government this way with a huge caravan of weirdos. I don't know.

[Sophie]

She could have totally just played that so much cooler. Be like, no, you guys don't understand. I'm the queen of actual candles.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I'm the queen.

[Sophie]

That's not even our flag.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Just gotta get rid of this bad flag. Yeah. Unfortunately, people just aren't playing along. Even Fox News refuses to humor her. Cause they have no. Whatever journalists they've got on the ground. Has no idea who she is. At one point during the occupation, she comes across a Fox reporter who's interviewing truckers. And she, like, tries to insert herself in the situation. And because she is who she is, she's livestreaming this whole time. So she tells her followers, oh, Fox has requested that I sit for an interview. And then she tries to, like, barge in and talk to the reporter. And the reporter's not at all interested in her. Right. And so she's like, don't you know I'm the queen of Canada? And he's like, oh, I had no idea. Yeah, Like, I didn't. Yeah, I didn't know that.

[Sophie]

Yeah, I didn't know. Actually, can you just wait right here? Security, like, you know, and just. Yeah, we're gonna get to you right now.

[Robert]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

And this. This goes over really badly. She gets pissed and replies, I'll make sure your commander in chief in the United States army knows about it. Again, it's not. It's not in the Army.

[Robert]

For one thing, she's not talking about Grandpa Joe.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

No one calls it the commander in chief of the army either. It's the whole military. Anyway, whatever. And again, she's also. I should state when she says, I'll make sure your commander in chief knows about it. She's also not talking about Joe Biden. No, she's talking about that dude in Arizona.

[Sophie]

Arizona?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. On the whole, the trucker rally was a failure for her movement. Her posts about this period show a deep jealousy more than anything else. She is really unhappy with the fact that, like, other grifters are seeing more success than her, and she's kind of being ignored.

[Sophie]

But I'm the queen.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, I'm the queen. Don't you guys know I'm the queen? Like, come on here. Right?

[Sophie]

I made a video.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

The queen. Yeah, come on now. So, yeah, you see a lot of jealousy in the stuff she's writing at this time. And I want to give you. This is a quote from her telegram page. The ancient royal families, White Hat's Military and Global Alliance, Galactic and Intergalactic Alliance, Federation of Worlds of Light Beings have been working for thousands of years to free planet Earth. And suddenly you say truckers freed the world. Get your head out of the toilet bowl, eh? Oh, she just have, like, a Canadian. That's good.

[Sophie]

The greatest. Oh, Man.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. You guys aren't saving the world. The aliens are.

[Sophie]

Yeah, sure.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Thousands of years this plan's been in work.

[Sophie]

Yeah, the truckers didn't do anything either, just FYI.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Right, Right. And this is the kind of thing. This is a failure, kind of for her. She doesn't hugely increase her visibility or her number of followers as a result of this, but it's a success in that she's now just spent days living in RVs, which are definitely nicer than her house for sure. She's got like a dozen or more people who believe she's the queen and are talking to her like she's a God almost. And she's got hundreds of more followers online, sending her money, and tens of thousands of people reading what she's saying. Life's good. Life's a lot better now than it used to be. Why don't I just keep. Let it ride, keep this going? And so she decides I'm gonna continue living in a caravan of RVs with my followers as long as I possibly can. I don't wanna go back. So there's a little bit of a hiccup here because while they're living in Ottawa, Romana, they rent an RV. At least one of the RV, I think a couple of the RVs they rent, they use are rented. And when they're renting their RVs, the occupation's going on. And the people who run the rental place are like, okay, but you can't take this to Ottawa for that big stupid occupation thing because all the RVs, they are getting trashed. People are like, living in filth there and destroying them. And we're not going to take that risk. You're not allowed to do that. And they're like, we absolutely aren't going to Ottawa. And then they drive to Ottawa and they don't realize that, like, RVs cost a lot of money. The cheap ones are like 50 or 60 grand in a lot of cases. And it's many of them are like more than a quarter of a million. $200,000, $100,000 dollars. They're expensive products. Right? And you don't rent something like that to a stranger without tracking it.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah. So the RV people realized, and they called them, like, you have to take these back immediately. And they do take them back immediately because she's not the queen and she doesn't want to wind up on the hook for a shitload of money for these RVs that they would have then stolen. Right? So.

[Sophie]

And I already know she waved the I Already know she waived the. The insurance. Insurance.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Definitely. She's not wasting money on that.

[Robert]

But that. But I feel like that's really interesting to note because that shows a level of, like, understanding right and wrong decision making and like, un. Being a little bit financially aware. It's very interesting to know.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she has to. While these Arby's get returned and she figures out how to set up a better situation for themselves travel wise, she has to put her whole cult up in a hotel for like a week, which is strange. The movement's finances, they were making money, but it's like thousands, maybe in the low tens at this point. And between renting RVs, paying for gas to drive across Canada, keeping more than a dozen people in hotels, you're gonna run through that fairly quickly. Yeah. And you're gonna run through it even more quickly because Romana started making. We just talked about, like, well, she's capable of some sort of rationality because she had them take the RVs back. Back. She's also making objectively irrational decisions with her money. Case in point. And I'm gonna quote from Mac Lamoureau's article here. For a good period of that time, Corey and Daisy said Didulo made them keep a room open for more than $300 a night just in case Russian President Vladimir Putin dropped by. I invite President Putin to join the NATO alliance to continue to preserve peace and prosperity around the world. She said in a telegram livestream from one of her hotel rooms. I welcome you to the Kingdom of Canada. She would later claim that Putin gifted her an autographed watch.

[Sophie]

Autographed watch.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I just love. Gotta keep a room open for Putin Sharpie.

[Sophie]

Like you just write on a watch.

[Robert]

I just love the idea of Vladimir Putin at a $300 night hotel.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Sophie, you're laughing, but I have a spare room in my house that is kept ready at all times in case Vladimir Putin drops by. And I think he will one day.

[Sophie]

At this point, I'm back on the team of the followers to be like, giving. Can I just. I'll just stay in the room.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

Until he gives.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Until he shows up. Is that cool?

[Robert]

But it's giving. It's giving. Leaving the clothes out for LRH to come back.

[Sophie]

Yes.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

Yes.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

There's. There's a lot of. There must be frustration because she's. A lot of these people are like sleeping two to a room, right? Because they don't have much money and there's like an empty room for Vladimir Putin so he could join NATO.

[Sophie]

I'M sorry it's so funny, but she just left NATO. I love it. All right.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, yeah. So the story of the autographed watch from Putin is a good case study. And how did warps and alters reality haphazardly to buttress her delusions of grandeur. She was in fact brought a watch that looks from a distance like it might be a Rolex. And she was given this watch by a large man who might be Russian, named Mark Marcus. I'm gonna show you a picture from Christine Sartesti's study of Marcus handing her this watch.

[Sophie]

This is great.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

But there's like this big square jawed guy smiling. He's got like a vaguely military looking jacket on. Standing next to Romana in her white coat. They're both holding the watch. She has a very serious look on her face. Next to an RV that has her portrait on it. Queen. Her Majesty, Queen Ruana. Yes.

[Robert]

He could just be an extra on that season of Stranger Things. But they're in Russia.

[Sophie]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

And it's got. You can see her little flag, which is like a maple leaf that says God loves you. Which is a nice message for someone who mostly talks about executing people.

[Sophie]

This is great.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I know what you're asking. Who's Marcus? Yeah. Is he connected at all to the Russian government? Is he Russian? I don't know. I have found nothing about him other than this photo. I like my theory. Or has. I don't think she took it.

[Robert]

I like my theory.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

My guess would be that he's a minor figure in the Qanon world. I don't know though. Maybe he's just some guy who had a watch for her and she cooked up the rest and he agreed to play along. Maybe he came to her with the lie. I'm sure it's a fake Rolex. I can't tell. There's no way in the world that's a Rolex. There's no way that's a real Rolex. Yeah. So after the. And it's very funny. She's really obsessed in this early period and this isn't like the last few months before Russia's expansion invasion of Ukraine. She's really talking about, like, I'm working with Putin to make peace. He's going to join NATO. Everything's gonna be fine. He would never invade Ukraine. Putin's on the side of the white hats. You know, we're all working to get rid of the evil Deep State cabals.

[Sophie]

Man. You couldn't keep my electricity on yeah.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Like your followers cat died cuz he didn't have cooling in the summer. Ok, so. So as Russia starts to move troops en masse, troops on Ukraine's border and then invades, she's before the invasion saying nothing's gonna happen. And then once it starts, she takes to the air to tell her followers the Russian army is only in Ukraine to clear out the deep state and no civilians are being hurt whatsoever. Got it? They just stop at the deep state. Again, you'd think that this is an obvious lie made even again, some of her followers. There's a sizable Ukrainian diaspora population in Canada. Mack Lammer will say that like people were getting calls, people in Ukraine were getting calls from family members who bought into this stuff. Being like, you guys will be fine. Like that's just gotta be really, really infuriating.

[Sophie]

Furious.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

So in her article on the subject, Sarteshi writes, quote, digilo also announced that she and her team were planning a trip to Russia to meet with Putin. For the trip, she and her team were to fly aboard Air Force One, the plane used by the President of the United States, which Didulo said she would be Renam naming QR1. Months prior, Digilo stated that she had been asked for and received Air Force One. Digilo would soon be traveling on QR1, but not before the aircraft was repainted with her insignia. Digilo stated that North Korea Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un has placed Diglo's self created flag on all of his government buildings, kept her framed photo next to his and said that she was personally invited to coordinate a state visit to Pyongyang. Digilo has also claimed that the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club personally offered to provide her with security and that Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, is a personal friend and her brother Digilo has said that she's in frequent contact with MBS and that he regularly watches her live streams on telegram and he sends her large sums of money.

[Sophie]

This she is wonderful.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Like, oh man, great, great. Oh man, great stuff, man.

[Sophie]

Covered every base.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

You got them all. You got them all.

[Sophie]

No, really, I'm the homie. I'm the homie.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

If MBS is sending you money, why can't you just buy RVs? You know, I was going to. Why are you renting them?

[Robert]

It's not even the RVs. But if MBS is sending you so much fucking money, why are, why are there three people to a hotel room? Why is the hotel room a $300 hotel room? If it's, where's the blessing?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Where does the Air Force One go if he gave it to you? Also, why do you need Hell's Angels security if you're the commander in chief of the Canadian military?

[Sophie]

Listen, listen, listen. Because she good in the. In the. In the office and she good in the streets. I got them both. I got them both.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

She's got them both set out right. Sometimes you. Sometimes you need to roll with some. Like with some guys who know how to get things done.

[Sophie]

Exactly.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

You know?

[Robert]

Okay, okay, but then what?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Keep going. I need. Sophie. The thing is.

[Sophie]

Washington, pull up no Canadian gangsters.

[Robert]

Then what happens?

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

There's no Canadian gangsters prop. They're too polite.

[Sophie]

Oh yeah, you're right.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, yeah. What are they doing? Smuggling maple syrup? Come on. I know there's brutal criminals in Canada. Guys. You guys can commit murder, I believe.

[Robert]

Tell the rest of this story. I'm dying here.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Okay?

[Sophie]

Please tell the rest of the story.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

So as her semi permanent road trip rolled on, Queen De Giulo continued her well worn tactic of recording live streams and YouTube videos and posting on telegram. She became increasingly open about her real origins, which of course were not as an orphaned Filipino immigrant, but as an alien from outer space. The website Rappler interviewed Christine Sartoshi for an article on Queen dejulo. She has talked about being from the planet Arcturus. So there's an alien element to this Sarteshi. You if explained. She thinks that she has been sent here in sort of a divine way from God Master Creator. That she has been sent here to save people. Digilo does not shy away from claims like these in online videos. The Arcturians are the most advanced. Like the Yoda. She has said the Arcturians. The Arcturians from Arcturians? Yes. They're the most advanced. Like the Yoda.

[Robert]

The Yoda.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

The Yoda. I think she's talking about like Yoda from the Star wars movies. But she just says the Yoda, that's not his species. I don't his name, man. That's his name. I don't think the species is the Yodas. Although I don't know that we have a name for the species. It's probably somewhere in the expanded lore or some shit. Maybe they retcon that. Either way, this is like the Yoda worked up.

[Robert]

I've been in an episode and I'm really sorry to listeners.

[Sophie]

Yeah, it is so funny. I learned all my powers from the marks.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah, from the marks. Oh my God. She has said, I am not a dictator. I am guided by the highest divine beings. And I Am here to deliver peace and prosperity. You know. Sure.

[Robert]

Okay.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

That's believable to me.

[Robert]

Go off.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I think that's all real, you know. And I think that's a good place to end Part deux. We'll come back next week. This ran a little long. We'll have a third parter. And then next week we'll also have a separate one parter episode. So you'll get your two episodes next week. Don't worry, folks.

[Sophie]

I can't believe there's one.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Just wound up having a little bit too much fun with Queen. It's a nice little break from all of the crimes against humanity and murders. Although she's mostly talking about murders.

[Robert]

I'm going to try to calm down before part three, but I can't promise anything.

[Sophie]

I can't wait. There's another part.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Sophie. Sophie. Take some of the wisdom of the Yoda. You know, Relax or don't relax. There's no trying to relax.

[Robert]

Relax. I am. Okay. Listen to hood politics.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I'm glad you're tight with the.

[Robert]

I'm tied with the Yoda.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

The Yoda. The Yoda.

[Sophie]

The Yoda.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

The Yoda.

[Sophie]

All of them.

[Robert]

The Yoda.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Okay. Okay, again, like, do we believe that? I know. We believe it's real. I know there's people who believe Yoda's real. There's people who believe that all of the fiction stuff is real.

[Robert]

I wish Yoda was real. So cute.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Don't tell people things they don't, you know. You can't make jokes. You can't have fun in the world. There's too many people who will just believe whatever crazy stuff you say. It's unfortunate. Anyway. Has an island in which children are hunted for sport by the wealthy. You know. Go out into the real world and take action based on this totally true thing that I told you. Not a lie. Not just a bit for a podcast.

[Robert]

Rory, cut that. Rory, fucking cut that.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Robert, we can't. Keep it in. Rory, keep it in. Keep it in, Rory. Fuck off. Rory.

[Robert]

Robert.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

Yeah? It's okay. We've said it's a joke. It's fine.

[Robert]

It's not fine. Rory, fucking cut that.

[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

I Keep it in. Rory, keep it in. Bye.

[Robert]

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[Host (possibly a main narrator or analyst)]

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[Robert]

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