Behind the Bastards: Part Two – What's New With Andrew Tate?
Release Date: April 24, 2025
In this compelling episode of Behind the Bastards, hosts Robert Evans, Ian Johnson, and Sophie delve deep into the controversial figure of Andrew Tate, unpacking the intricate and sinister operations that constitute his digital empire. Through a meticulous examination of leaked transcripts and investigative reporting, the hosts shed light on how Tate has leveraged online platforms to propagate his misogynistic ideology and facilitate human trafficking.
1. Introduction to Andrew Tate’s Digital Empire
The episode opens with the hosts transitioning from light-hearted banter about the Los Angeles Lakers to the central topic: Andrew Tate. Robert Evans sets the stage by emphasizing the gravity of today's discussion:
Robert Evans [02:01]: “Because today we're gonna be talking yet again about our friend Andrew Tate, who is not our friend, but who is.”
The conversation swiftly moves into an analysis of Tate's business models, specifically his two main platforms: The Real World and The War Room.
2. The Real World and The War Room: Structure and Purpose
The Real World serves as the more accessible arm of Tate’s operations, priced at approximately $50 per month. It acts as a gateway, funneling subscribers into the more exclusive and costly War Room, which demands an annual fee of around $8,000. Robert draws a clear parallel to luxury branding:
Robert Evans [04:06]: “The Real World is like Toyota, the War Room is Lexus. That's the premium brand.”
The Real World is depicted as an MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) scheme, focusing on "get rich quick" scams, including dropshipping and selling AI-generated books on platforms like Amazon. The primary goal is twofold: generate revenue and cultivate a dedicated user base that can be upsold into higher-tier memberships within The War Room.
3. Exposed: Leaked Chat Logs and BBC Investigations
A significant portion of the episode discusses revelations from leaked chat logs that the BBC obtained in August 2023. These logs exposed the rampant trafficking of women facilitated by Tate and his cohorts, identifying 45 potential victims between March 2019 and April 2020:
Robert Evans [06:45]: “These logs identified 45 potential victims from just the period of March 2019 to April of 2020.”
Further exacerbating the situation, a Nov 2024 hack breached The Real World, revealing data of approximately 800,000 users. This monumental leak underscored the extensive reach and influence of Tate’s platforms, highlighting the vulnerability and exploitation of its vast subscriber base.
4. The Real World: MLM Tactics and Scams
Robert provides a critical examination of The Real World, highlighting its reliance on MLM strategies to perpetuate its scam:
Robert Evans [09:37]: “It's all just like this forum type experience... and this allows Andrew to put in a lot less actual work in the system.”
Subscribers are enticed with promises of financial success and personal empowerment, while the reality is a high churn rate with minimal actual financial gains for the majority. The platform thrives on foundational MLM principles, where only a minuscule percentage of members—about 1%—achieve significant profit, mirroring the unsustainable models seen in companies like Amway.
5. The War Room: A Cult-Like Operation and Human Trafficking
The War Room emerges as the elite subgroup within Tate’s empire, where deeper indoctrination and illicit activities take center stage. The hosts describe it as a cult, with members engaging in the coercion and trafficking of women to work in sex industries under Tate’s directives.
A pivotal moment in the discussion involves a quote from their analysis of leaked seminar content:
Robert Evans [16:14]: “It's the same thing with those like Nazi leaks from a while ago...”
Members are subjected to rigorous protocols that involve isolating women from their support networks and manipulating them into submissive roles. The tactics employed range from psychological manipulation to outright physical violence, as evidenced by a disturbing example discussed later in the episode.
6. Leadership Behind the Scenes: Iggy Semmelweis and Miles Sonkin
A substantial revelation in the episode is the identification of Iggy Semmelweis (real name Miles Sonkin) as the true orchestrator behind The War Room. Contrary to Tate’s public persona, Semmelweis is portrayed as the ideological mastermind, heavily involved in crafting the manipulative curriculum and maintaining the cult-like environment within the platform.
Robert Evans [35:22]: “Semmelweis is actually an American named Miles Sonkin...”
Their collaboration marks a fusion of old-school pickup artist tactics with modern MLM structures, creating a potent and dangerous concoction that perpetuates abuse and exploitation under the guise of self-improvement.
7. Curriculum and Tactics: From Seduction to Violence
The hosts delve into the dark curriculum of The War Room, which includes modules on mental domination and physical violence. A particularly chilling example is Tate’s endorsement of using a machete in domestic conflicts:
Robert Evans [31:07]: “What happens if she catches you cheating and she tries to attack you and he says, you know, hit her in the face with a machete.”
This extreme measure is presented as a part of the PhD (Pimpin’ Hoes Degree) program, emphasizing total control and submission over women, effectively endorsing abuse as a means of maintaining dominance.
8. Member Experiences and Success Rates
Former members who escaped Tate's web provide harrowing accounts of their experiences. Mahmoud, a former subscriber, recounts the pervasive manipulation and the illusion of success:
Robert Evans [50:17]: “Mahmoud, a former member, told vice. There was nobody that was making any real money...”
Most members find themselves trapped in a cycle of paying for increasingly expensive courses and live events without any tangible return on their investments, highlighting the exploitative nature of Tate’s operations.
9. The Current Status of Andrew Tate
As the episode progresses, the hosts speculate on Tate’s current maneuvers amidst legal battles. They suggest that his frequent returns to Romania stem from strategic positioning to evade prosecution, leveraging his established presence and connections within the country:
Robert Evans [65:58]: “He has found his place. And he's pretty confident that Romania will botch the prosecution against him enough that he could continue to live there.”
This tactic underscores Tate’s relentless pursuit of maintaining his empire despite mounting legal and ethical challenges.
Conclusion: Unraveling the Web of Control
In wrapping up, the hosts underscore the insidious nature of Andrew Tate’s influence, likening his operations to modern-day Scientology with its own twisted version of self-improvement. The episode serves as a cautionary tale about the dangers of charismatic leaders who exploit vulnerable individuals for profit and power.
Robert Evans [66:10]: “So that's our update on Andrew. That's where he is right now. Still a piece of shit.”
With meticulous research and a no-holds-barred approach, Behind the Bastards exposes the dark underbelly of Andrew Tate’s digital empire, shedding light on the pervasive exploitation and manipulation that defines his legacy.
Notable Quotes:
- Robert Evans [04:06]: “The Real World is like Toyota, the War Room is Lexus. That's the premium brand.”
- Robert Evans [16:14]: “It's the same thing with those like Nazi leaks from a while ago..."
- Robert Evans [31:07]: “What happens if she catches you cheating and she tries to attack you and he says, you know, hit her in the face with a machete.”
- Robert Evans [35:22]: “Semmelweis is actually an American named Miles Sonkin...”
- Robert Evans [50:17]: “Mahmoud, a former member, told vice. There was nobody that was making any real money...”
- Robert Evans [65:58]: “He has found his place. And he's pretty confident that Romania will botch the prosecution against him enough that he could continue to live there.”
- Robert Evans [66:10]: “So that's our update on Andrew. That's where he is right now. Still a piece of shit.”
This episode of Behind the Bastards offers a thorough and unsettling exploration of Andrew Tate's mechanisms of control and exploitation, providing listeners with a stark understanding of how such digital empires thrive on manipulation and abuse.