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Get On The Bus! Why The Grateful Dead Will Never Die with Christian Lane
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Christian Lane
I just got up there and I was just like, oh my God.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Janda
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Podcast Host
Welcome to the behind the Song podcast, taking you deeper into classic rock's most timeless tunes.
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Christian Lane
Here's your host, Janda. That's when it all begins.
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Janda
I'm Janda and this is behind the song Powered by Chick Fil A. I am pleased to say that I'm joined today by behind the Song music producer and my husband, the one and only Christian Lane, to talk about what makes a person get on the bus with the Grateful Dead. Hi, Christian.
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Christian Lane
Hey, Janda. I'm so happy to be back talking about something I actually know a little bit about.
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Janda
Well, exactly. I mean, I have witnessed in real time you getting on the bus with the Grateful Debt. You. You are somewhat of a latecomer to the Grateful Dead fandom that you have so warmly embraced over the past, I'd say, couple of years.
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Christian Lane
Yeah, I was never a Grateful Dead fan, I'll be honest. And I actually, you know, back in the day, I went to a couple parking lots, but I just, I don't know, I. Without really knowing much about him or hearing him even, to be honest with you, I was just like, nope, not interested. I guess I didn't realize how many things I would identify with. Ultimately, I think for me, you know, a lot of things had to happen for me to become such a Deadhead. I'm a straight up. Now I am a Deadhead. And, you know, one of them was country. And, you know, you and I had a huge George Jones phase, like where we saw him, met him and everything. And so that's like a big, deep love of mine. Like real dusty country music. And country was kind of my entry point, really.
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Janda
Well, I wanted to ask you if you could pinpoint an exact moment when that sort of light bulb went off in your head about this band, the Grateful Dead, who, you know, you've been exposed to all your life. Obviously, we all have at this point, but never really cottoned on to, so to speak. Was there a particular song or a particular moment where you were like, okay, I gotta. I gotta get into this, honestly.
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Christian Lane
You know, it's funny. We're sitting here on behind the Song talking, and I'm. It was behind the song, honestly, that did it when we did Casey Jones, and I had to learn that. So just. If anybody doesn't know, I basically recreate all the songs that Janda researches and beautifully reads and discusses. But I do all the music. It's been an education and an evolution of my musical chops, too, doing this. And we did Casey Jones, and I went to record it, and it came out fine, but I wasn't feeling it. I didn't feel like I got the song and it was bugging me. So I just. I kept listening to it and then I was like, you know, there's this documentary on Amazon and that. It's. I don't know, it's six parts. I bet I'm gonna check it out just a little bit and see. Because I just said, what is it about this band? Why don't I get it? Is it the two drummers? What. What am I not getting? And it. It was just a feel thing. So I'm watching this, and it took me, I don't know, 20 minutes to realize that they were this amazing indie rock band, really. And a do it yourself sort of ethos. Coming from sort of an indie rock background or whatever. I was like, oh, they're just the most successful indie rock band of all time.
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Janda
Wow. Yeah.
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Christian Lane
And fairly early on in the documentary, they kind of get into their Bakersfield bed thing, and it was like, around 70, 71, you know, working Man's Dead and American Beauty. Very sort of Bakersfield country inspired. Bakersfield was more rocking than most country at that time. And it had, like, Buck Owens, Merle Haggard. These are Bakersfield guys. So that kind of gives you an idea that's what they were into. And Jerry, being a bluegrass player, he brought a real authenticity to this thing that they started doing naturally, with Bobby doing cowboy songs and Jerry picking songs from, like, the Alan Lomax from the Folk Waves releases of all these old Weird old weird America stuff. And Jerry was super into that. And I love that, you know, I'm a huge Dylan fan, so I've been exposed to that. That sort of idea of the old weird America and how truly weird, like, the. The west was and. And how truly kind of psychedelic it was. And they tapped into that, and I was hooked. That. That hooked me. And the first time I heard Dire Wolf, I about lost my mind. I couldn't believe that I hadn't been listening to this song. It sounded both old as dirt, really, singing about this mythical place scenario. And it also sounded, I hate to say new, but to me it did. It was new to me. So all these songs that I genuinely didn't know, we get to he's gone. I can't believe that's where Steal youl Face comes from. I should note also, like, I think everybody's first exposure to the Grateful Dead is the stele is the logo, you know, the skeleton, the lightning bolt that's colloquially known as the steely. And it's such a great song. And it's not at all like you would think it's going to be this like, Pink Floyd thing, feel your face or whatever, but it's a country song really, you know, and, you know, these beautiful harmonies. And so I realized that I didn't know anything about the Grateful Dead that other people knew that other people were in on. And I was jotting down some things while I was thinking about this before we talked, I was thinking about the entry points that you have. I think we can work with this. So you've got primal, sludgy 60s dead, which is very garage rock. So if you listen to a song like Viola Lee Blues, it sounds like it could be on the Nuggets compilation, you know, with like, Question Mark and the Mysterians. It's very grodgy. Then, you know, as mentioned, you got the Bakersfield sort of country. Maybe we'll even say bluegrass inspired Grateful Dead. You move just past that sort of 73, Donna and Keith are in the band. You've got a good time boogie woogie band that plays a lot of good American rock covers, for sure. I would say even Ms. Donna Jean God Show Herself is an entry point to the Grateful Dead. For a lot of girls, you know, it was a real sausage fest up there. And then by 72, Donna's in the band with her husband Keith, but she's up front singing. And it's the first time it gives a girl something to look at or something to aspire to, you know. And she's got her long dresses and her long, long hair and her little dance. And now all of a sudden there's a lot more girls, you know, they feel more comfortable in this thing. Then we've got the sort of right after that, like these, these are all boom, boom. But then we've got the Jazz Odyssey exploration, you know, as Final Tap would say, the Jazz Odyssey by Derek Smalls. He wrote this. He has where they're just going off and they're just, as a jazz band would, improvising, playing off each other, giving each other space, working off of very. A very small relationship to the actual song and just finding new forms. And they talked about that. So people that are into jazz and sort of frog rock, there's an entry point as well then. Audio files can very much appreciate the Dead for their work on the Wall of Sound, which our friend Brian wrote the book, by the way. This project of theirs started by Owsley, their sound man and the world's greatest manufacturer of lsd. He had this idea that it should be loud, but so clear that you could still carry on a conversation while it's blasting.
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Janda
Thus the name of Brian's book, Loud and Loud and by Brian Anderson. Yes, definitely worth. Definitely worth. Worth a read for sure.
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Christian Lane
I don't know, it might be my favorite Grateful Dead book just because he's such a great writer.
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Christian Lane
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Christian Lane
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Christian Lane
They made this creation themselves of speakers and Macintosh amplifiers. That was literally a wall. The idea being that speakers stacked this way don't disperse sound well, but when you stack them on top of each other really do and that the sound will travel further. So especially when you're playing these super normal places or outdoors festivals, the idea being it would project for a Mile. It's very interesting. And if you're into audio recording, there's that element too, because every show was recorded. No other band did that, you know, with. With an actual soundboard.
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Janda
I mean, this is really interesting, Christian, because you have highlighted several reasons where you, a newcomer to the Grateful Dead, might get exposed and then love it. There's the, you know, the country tinged stuff. There is the jazzy stuff. There's the boogie woogie. There's the audio file portion of it. It goes on and on and on.
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Christian Lane
If I may, I would just also say people who are curious about 60s counterculture will probably read about somebody that was involved with the Grateful Dead somehow. Then they actually. Their one hit, Touch of Gray, that's an entry point too, for. For people who heard it on the radio. I mean, more of at the time an entry point. But they actually called them Touch Heads. You know, all these new kids that came for the show.
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Janda
This is an interesting point because if we're talking about, you know, eras of the Grateful Dead, which you've done a really beautiful job of kind of outlining, you know, from the mid-60s on through the 70s and onto the 80s, where they had their one and only song to ever go into the top 40, Touch of Grey in 87. Now, that's amazing when you consider they did release over two dozen singles, Truckin' Alabama, Getaway, Uncle John's Band, Casey Jones, which was your entree point into the Grateful Dead. But they never got on the radio until Touch of Gray. And despite all of that, they still set records for the most top 40 albums on the Billboard 213 studio albums, over 200 live albums. And that's just the official releases from the band, the label releases, not talking about the tapers. It's a phenomenal thing to look at musically in terms of achievements. They. They did so much with so little sort of mainstream exposure, because that has never mattered with the Grateful Dead.
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Christian Lane
And they were the only guys that talked about like, the only thing that matters is the music. That didn't sound corny. It sounded like they actually believe it. I would say fun. It was the. The number one thing. That's what Sam Cutler, tour manager, pirate extraordinaire, said over the years. That was what Jerry asked the most. Is it going to be fun? Why should we do it? Will it be fun? And I think when building a community, when making good music with your friends is. Is the goal and everything else is just gravy. The sky's the limit. I mean, it really just comes down to what crazy stuff can we think of next that would be fun to do? And that's how you get the Grateful Dead playing in front of one of the pyramids. Yeah, and that's the other thing. You know, with the Grateful Dead, there's little things that become myths. I think people love mythology of rock and roll, and whether it's, you know, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and the Devil, or the Dead's road crew being a bunch of pirates that literally hold the band what they were going to do tonight, you know, and it's a really interesting world. It's really colorful. It's filled with a lot of amazing characters. And the songs are just straight out of the American songbook.
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Janda
That's the thing. It was based on fun. Jerry wouldn't do anything unless he thought it was fun. So that's sort of like your philosophical bedrock there of the Grateful Dead. But by staying true to that, it actually was fun. And when things stopped being fun, they stopped doing them. Like with the Wall of Sound, you know, there was a time that that had to just stop because it was. It was too much. But with your philosophical center being, let's make this fun or not do it at all, there comes such a true spirit along with that. That is infectious and is something that people can detect. So then you have this huge culture that comes around this band and follows this band around because it will be fun. And the culture that envelops them make their own subcultures, you know, and it just travels all over the place, you know, town to town, stop to stop, country to country. It never stop being fun. And I don't know if there's another band that's exactly like that. You know, you take a band like the Rolling Stones, very much a business, a great business, One of my favorite bands of all time, but a business nonetheless. With the Grateful Dead. It's kind of amazing, you know, that things, you know, actually fell into place because it really wasn't a business for a very, very, very long time. Now, of course, it's, you know, a multi million dollar affair. But for all of that time when they were building, it was the people around the Grateful Dead that were coming up with, you know, commercial enterprises, coming up with the travel company for a touring band and that kind of stuff, you know, ingenious. People flocked to this band because I believe. Because it was fun and it was the right time and the right place. Meanwhile, they're out here, you know, recording these songs. Beautiful songs. You know, some of. Some of the great. I was listening to Morning dew this morning. I mean, talk about your beautiful song. I mean, the lyrics, you know, Robert Hunter, you know, Jerry Garcia's principal lyricist, they're kind of infallible, and I just can't think of another band like them. And I do owe it to you like my own, you know, fandom of the Grateful Dead, because it's been so interesting to watch you go through this. You're kind of an archeologist of music yourself. I know you. And you love to go down rabbit holes, and you love to figure out and learn everything that you can about a particular artist. And so I could see, as this Grateful Dead fandom was enveloping, you get more and more into it, because it just never ends. The minute you've got something figured out about the Grateful Dead, some new revelation will happen. And this is 60 years on past when the band played their. Their first concert. You know, many of the principal members are. Are. Are gone, but it doesn't matter. There's just still this. This fascination with the Grateful Dead.
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Christian Lane
You know, I. When you were talking about it being fun and people being attracted to it and. And it being honest and them being true to their original goal, I think in some ways, they were a true avatar of the 60s. And I don't mean this in just like, you know, an advertisement for the Summer of Love, but I think because they were so true to themselves. At each step of the way, you get a real sense of authenticity, and you feel like even though they don't want to be the authority on anything, you feel like they're the authority on it, you know, and there's deep wisdom in those lyrics of rock. Robert Hunters and I think, for better or for worse, Jerry became an avatar for the 60s. And I think that's because you can really sense that personal freedom is front and center in his life, and it was. And that quest to just be left alone to do his job. And I think people will always relate to that. I think they'll always be able to connect with that.
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Janda
Very well said. It's that spirit that continues, I think. I mean, there are people who are born here now in 2026, who are going to become Grateful Dead fans if they're attracted to the music or if they're attracted to the brilliant artwork and the logos and some of the imagery that this band and their entourage, their creative companions, you know, cobbled together for them. American Beauty with the Rose, the steely Steal youl Face. I mean, these are iconic logos. Speaking from a purely commercial standpoint, you can't Resist those images. I mean, the minute you see any of this Grateful Dead stuff, the dancing teddy bears, you are drawn in, I think they're going to be around forever. I really, really do.
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Christian Lane
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Janda
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Christian Lane
I always say this when it comes up that I like the Grateful Dead with somebody. I said, but I am a Grateful Dead fan. That's it. Maybe someday, after I've digested the entire catalog and every single different tape from every different show, I'll think, oh, you know what? I'll check out the post Dead things. But for me, I don't want to be disrespectful. I probably should have gone and seen them once I was on the bus so that I could have seen Bobby. But for me, it's the Grateful Dead. They were the. They were the thing. That was it. And really, for me, it's Jerry, if I'm being honest. He's unlike any other guitar player that I've ever heard. His love of the instrument and his love of his craft is so evident through his life. And that's, for me, a musician that was really inspiring, you know, finding out that all through the 80s, maybe even more in the 80s, he was practicing hours a day, you know, and on days that he had a show, he was practicing hours a day. So sometimes he was playing eight hours a day because he wanted to get better. And I just. That's so inspiring to me as a musician, when somebody as successful as he was still wanted it that much and was still hungry to be better. And that really inspired me. So for me, it's just so much about Jerry Garcia. That's my feelings on the Dead and Company.
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Janda
Well, he's a figurehead, you know, I mean, and I don't think he would have loved to have been known as a figurehead, but it is what he became. And I do appreciate the fact that Dead and Company, you know, are continuing the Grateful Dead's music and giving Grateful Dead fans, you know, somewhere to go to. Because the Grateful Dead was always a live band. And with Dead and Company, you get to go and see this music played live with the members that are, you know, currently with Us and the new people, and you get to, you know, hear these songs. So I think it's great in that way.
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Christian Lane
That said, Dark Star Orchestra, which I hate to say they're a cover band or a tribute act, but they are. They do specific shows and they do the whole show with period appropriate gear and everything, and they sound just like them. And it is great. It's a. It's. That is another place that Deadheads can gather and congregate and be together and spin and dance. Because like you said, that is the thing, you know, it's the live experience that was always the thing with the Dead was their studio albums were okay. They had a couple bangers, but most of them were okay. The live shows, you know, were where the magic. So it's good that there's still areas that Deadheads can go and dance, plenty of them.
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Janda
I mean, you know, Dark Star Orchestra, you and I saw the Riviera Theater this past winter. Definitely go see them. If you are into the Grateful Dead's music, they are amazing. They're just a wonderful Grateful Dead tribute band. Also, check out the lineup at Garcia's here in Chicago. Now, there's a special place, isn't it? I mean, talk about keeping the spirit of the Dead and the spirit of Jerry alive. Garcia's club here in Chicago is so legit. When Bobby Weir passed away, we saw Terrapin Flyer at Garcia's, who played like four nights so that people, Deadheads, fans of the Grateful Dead, could come and remember Bob Weir, be together and be together and dance and hear the songs and have a good time. And that. That was so wonderful.
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Christian Lane
They're great. They have a great Jerry. He plays excellent. He sounds very, very much like him.
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Janda
They're very agreed. I mean, they're phenomenal, too. Terrap and Flyer, I mean, and there are places like that all over the country and all over the world. And I just. I don't ever see that ever going away. It's almost like, you know, Bowie fans like you and I are both big David Bowie fans. David Bowie will never go anywhere because of some of these same reasons. I mean, he was so innov. Iconic. Really, truly iconic. You could put on David Bowie. So there's always going to be interest around his work and always going to be new people discovering that there was. Oh, there's more to David Bowie than just let's dance. Yes, absolutely. It's the same kind of thing where you have just such a rich artist and a rich catalog and a rich vibe, and you just are drawn to it. And I don't think it will ever end. I think it's that way for a few artists. The Grateful Dead, David Bowie, definitely in that category.
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Christian Lane
I think it's interesting that you bring up Bowie. And it makes sense to me because I think both the Dead and Bowie, especially if you're a teenager, I think they appeal to outsiders, they appeal to people who feel a little different. You know, Bowie's music and Personas were famously inviting to the quote, unquote, freaks of the time, like me and. Yeah, and me. And the Grateful Dead's scene and music was famously open to all sorts, whatever race, creed, color, sexual orientation. There was a place for you at Grateful Dead and David Bowie shows and in their worlds. And I think that that's part of it too. Like, there will always appeal to people who feel misunderstood, and there's always going to be teenagers who feel misunderstood. If I remember, it was like to be a teenager, so.
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Janda
Yeah, me too.
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Christian Lane
I think that that's part of it. That's why this stuff goes on, and that's why the Dead goes on. And I agree, it's a very rarefied error that, you know, that of artists that are in that category.
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Janda
It seems like what we've landed on here in this conversation, talking about this is that the reason that the Dead will continue to inspire the thing that makes people get on the bus with the Grateful Dead and artists like the Grateful Dead that have that kind of thing, but the Grateful Dead specifically is the versatility in that you can find a way in because they had so many different facets. So no matter from where you're starting, you'll find a road into the rest of it. Because they were never a band that stayed the same, but they always stayed true to themselves and their sound and their. Their spirit, you know, remained the same. Yes, right. So it's the versatility.
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Christian Lane
Yeah, I. I think of them like a living organism. Like the Grateful Dead itself is a living organism, and it kind of sucks up things around it and spits it out, but it mostly is just self contained. So, you know, it has these different errors and might pick up a little bit what's going on in culture or music, but it's still going to kind of be its thing. But it's a living, breathing organism that changes and evolves like a living, breathing organism does. And I think, you know, we need them. We needed them and we still do.
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Janda
The humanity of the Grateful Dead, the. The greatest American rock band.
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Christian Lane
I think so.
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Janda
I think so, too. I do.
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Christian Lane
I think so.
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Janda
How many Grateful Dead T shirts. Do you own now?
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Christian Lane
11.
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Janda
Okay. I thought it was more.
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Christian Lane
You know what the problem is with having 11?
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Janda
What?
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Christian Lane
It's not enough.
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Janda
You're probably right. Well, Christian, thank you for joining me on this episode. I appreciate your insights. It's been fascinating to watch you really, really get into the Grateful Dead. It's one of the things that is so amazing about you. Once you get into something, you're in it all the way. And you are certainly on the bus. And you've helped, I think, outline why people do still to this day and probably forever get on the bus with the Grateful Dead. So thank you for coming on and being on this side of the mic.
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Christian Lane
It's my pleasure. It's something I love talking about and I love talking to you.
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Janda
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