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Erin Washington
Relationships, co parenting anxiety, Everything you talk about in therapy without the Bill Join me each week for my podcast theRANP with Erin Washington, where you'll hear inspiring stories from guests who have been there and come out on the other side. Grammy Award winning singer Michelle Williams, you share about your depression publicly. Why decide to share it?
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Janda
I didn't even intend to.
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Erin Washington
Every week my guests and I get vulnerable so that you feel seen and less alone.
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Janda
I didn't want Destiny's Child to be over.
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Erin Washington
New episodes drop Monday. Subscribe to theranp on all podcast platforms.
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Janda
Welcome to the behind the Song podcast, taking you deeper into classic rock's most timeless tunes. Here's your host, Janda. I'm Janda, back for another bonus episode of the behind the Song podcast, joined once again by Christian Lane. Hi Christian, Hello.
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Christian Lane
Hello.
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Janda
So I'm really excited about today's episode. This is an episode about Tom Petty, but not just any episode about Tom Petty. You know, he wrote love songs, he wrote rockers, he wrote ballads, he wrote all kinds of great songs. But absolutely nobody, in my opinion, could write a better burn lyric than Tom Petty. A better takedown, a diss. With possibly the exception of Bob Dylan and the song Idiot Wind. But that's about it. Tom Petty was so good at a diss track, a takedown track, and there are so many great lyrics to highlight that specific skill that he had that that's basically what this whole episode is gonna be about.
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Christian Lane
Yes.
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Janda
All right, so I'll kick it off. I'm going to the Damn The Torpedoes album, 1979 for the song Shadow of a Doubt. A complex Kid. Now this is a love song, sure, but it's a bewildered kind of love song where Tom Petty is looking at his love interest, very likely his ex wife Jane, with a sort of flustered mystery in these lyrics. It's not the kind of love song where he's transfixed in a necessarily beautiful way, but more the kind where he's a little bit befuddled by the whole attraction that they have together to begin with and kind of what that means for his own person and his own boundaries. So it kind of speaks to his own insecurities. The specific lyric is, but she's got me asking questions. She's got me on defense with that little certain something. She's a complex kid and here's the kicker. And she's always been so hard to get around. Yes, she always likes to leave me with a shadow of a doubt. It's almost like he wishes that he could get around her, you know?
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Christian Lane
Right.
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Janda
But he cannot help himself. And so onward he goes.
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Christian Lane
So to me, when he says she's a complex kid, it's almost like saying she's not. She. She doesn't know what she wants. You know what I mean? Like she. She's complex in the sense that she's always changing her mind. That's how I take that line. I always like that about it. It's like calling a big guy tiny.
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Janda
That's interesting. Yeah, I think that's probably true. All right, Very good. Yeah, so there's there selection in the Tom Petty burn tracks, diss tracks, Shadow of a Doubt. All right, you're up, Christian.
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Christian Lane
All right. I'm gonna go a year before you, actually, I'm gonna go to 1978. Off the record. You're gonna get it. I Need to Know by Tom Petty. We'll talk of the streets as you may go solo. The first line, the opening line. There's talk on the street that you might go solo. I mean, that's just such a good way of saying that you're thinking about breaking up with me. Good friend of mine saw you sneaking out your back door. I mean, it's just all going bad. Everything is going bad. I love the line, though, about going solo too, because it's also. I wonder how many times, you know, the Heartbreakers wondered that about Tom Petty himself. You know, I think it's a really funny thing to say given that he's Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. He's got this thing about, you know, I can't believe you fell for his lines. And he's got this real chip on his shoulder about like, smooth talking dudes, you know? Listen to her heart also off this record. You think you're gonna take her away with your money and your coke. He's got the line about you think you're gonna take her away with your money and your cocaine. It sort of implied this slimy guy sneaking up behind and taking the girl. He's got a real chip on his shoulder about that. Maybe it's something being from Florida and he's in LA and it's a lot of, you know, slick talking people, but he's got a real problem with that, with, with the slick talkers, I notice. Feels like he's pushed to his limits in this song a little bit. You know, he's. He's gonna hang on. He's been hanging on. He's been hanging on as long as he can. She's making him wait, leading him on. Now he needs to know. He seems also like one of these guys where he's going to put up with it, but then he's not and, and now he hasn't, and now he needs to know. So. And Tom Petty, you know, bless him, he's got the guts to say it. He's got the guts just to come right out and say, I need to know if you're going to leave. Tell me, you know, let's just do it. Sort of like ripping the band aid off. So. So, so as much as this is like a kiss off or whatever, it's also Tom Petty in self protective mode. And for somebody who is such a fighter, it's interesting. He will kind of protect himself too. So that is my first entree into the sort of the kiss off breakup. You know, Get Bent Tom Petty songs Get bent.
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Janda
It kind of made me think of, you know, the whole album title you're going to get it is kind of a kiss off. I mean, you know. Yeah, I mean. Yeah.
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Christian Lane
I mean, there's a couple of ways you can think about it like you're going to get it. Like what your mom would say to you, you're going to get it. Or, you know, maybe this is the record you're going to get it, but I think it's probably more like you're.
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Janda
Going to get it.
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Christian Lane
Yeah, I think that one, one more note. I just have to say the money in the cocaine line, apparently I was reading that's apparently a reference to Ike Turner, who was all over Tom's wife at an early LA party that they went to.
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Travel Expert
Wow.
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Janda
Okay, so listen to her heart is based on when Ike Turner was hitting on Jane.
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Christian Lane
Yeah, apparently.
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Janda
Okay, interesting bonus trivia. Okay. Back to the Burn track. I am now going to offer a selection that was not first recorded by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, but for Lone Justice. Mike Campbell and Tom Petty wrote this song for lone justice in 1985 for their their self titled debut album. The song is Ways To Be Wicked. Now this is definitely a deep cut. Tom Petty didn't release it himself until much, much later. It appeared as a demo on the Playback box set in 96 and it came out on the Long After Dark deluxe edition in 2024 very recently. But great tune here. Ways To Be Wicked. Here's a song that admits another weakness on his part. On the part of Tom Petty, you know, writing these lyrics and on the part of the beloved love interest. So there's weakness in both parties. She is evil, but he kind of likes it. But even with this admission, you know, throughout the song, with him outlining the evil ways of the beloved and how he kind of goes along with it, the kicker diss line of this song comes when he gets to all the ways she knows how to be an evil, wicked person, but she doesn't know about one very important thing. And that's the kicker of the whole song. The lyrics go like this. Yeah, I've been your fool before, babe, and I probably will again. No, you ain't afraid to let me have it, honey, you ain't afraid to stick it in. You know so many ways to be wicked. But you don't know one little thing about love. Boom, mic drop, walk away. I mean, that's what he does. He does it in an economy of words. He tells you everything that you need to know about the relationship dynamic. And then he's. He kind of, you know, throws that kiss off in such a way that you almost have no recourse or comeback. So I just love that song. Ways To Be Wicked. I prefer the Tom Petty version. The Lone justice version is cool. Ways to be wicked. And here's a little bit about Lone Justice. This is a LA story for sure. They were this kind of cow punk outfit in Los Angeles and they were fronted, by the way, by a female singer, Maria McKee. Linda Ronstadt saw them perform and she loved it and she told David Geffen about them. And then he signed them based on Linda Ronstadt's recommendation. And then Jimmy Iovine was hired to produce their debut album. And then Jimmy Iovine realized, oh, I need some songs for this band to record. So he then reached out to Tom Petty and Mike Campbell, who wrote this Ways To Be Wicked for the Lone justice album. Benmont Tinch also co wrote a song and performed on this album. Mike Campbell performed on this album. Little Steven Van Zant is on it. Yeah, Little Steven. Annie Lennox is on the Lone justice album singing backups. So it was really kind of a star studded affair. It didn't really go anywhere. They put out another album, the next year, it did even less well. And then Maria McKee went on to do a solo career. So definitely sort of a flash in the pan in terms of chart success. But this song, ways to Be Wicked by Tom Petty and Mike Campbell, so good and definitely a burn track. A diss track for sure.
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Christian Lane
Yeah. So when you're. When you start talking about it and it's. It's for Lone justice debut album. I'm really glad you explained the backstory on that. It is about who you know sometimes, you know, like being able to have Tom Petty and Mike Campbell write a song for your debut album. What an honor that must have been, despite it not doing much. That's a great story right there. I'm gonna go on to 1982's you got lucky. It's from the record Long After Dark. You got lucky, babe. I mean, there it is just right there. There's the kiss off. We don't have to dig much deeper than the title for that one, actually. You know, he comes at you with some warnings. You know, you better watch what you say, you better watch what you do. Don't get carried away. And he's basically saying, look, I'm about as best as you can do. And honestly, I know what's out there. And if you think you can do better, there is the door right there.
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Janda
Yep.
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Christian Lane
Don't let it hit you on the ass. And there is the greater Los Angeles area. I know what's out there. What's really interesting though is it's not you got lucky when you found me, it's you got lucky when I found.
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Janda
You the other way around.
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Christian Lane
Yeah, to me, that's so much harder. I don't know, like, it's just so much harder. Like it like conjures up these images of her being a gutter snipe almost, and him finding some gutter punk that he cleaned up and took home. I mean, I know that's probably what he had in mind, but I don't know if you get much harder than just the title after saying good love is hard to find.
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Janda
Right.
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Christian Lane
You know, good love is hard to find. I think we all know that. I think that moment of somebody thinking that they can do better you know, I think he was a bit indignant by this idea that someone thought they could do better. Sort of a perfect diss track, if you will. And I think, you know, the video is very important, I think, to the success of the song too. It was, it, it was the first video that they really dressed up. Apparently Mike and Tom did the video treatment for it.
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Janda
They.
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Christian Lane
They came up with the idea. Yeah, Mad Max was sort of big at the time. I think Thunderdome maybe was at that time. They were, you know, envisioning sort of a post apocalyptic world. And I think that's what it feels like when a relationship is ending somehow. I think subliminally that video worked, you know, on that level for me, like desert and the end of things. And. And, you know, the wonderful thing about the video is them, you know, seeing themselves on the video screens. This thing of the past is these artifacts from a time gone by in studio, in the video games and everything. But it's very much about something gone past. I think by the time he made the video, he definitely felt like that one was in his rear view mirror. So, yeah, so I stand by that one very, very strongly.
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Janda
You should stand by that one. That is peak. Tom Petty, Byrne, right there. You got lucky when I found you. You're right. That is so hard. Okay, I am actually going to fast forward on the Tom Petty timeline for my next diss track burn track takedown track selection to 2010 to the mojo album.
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Christian Lane
Wow.
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Janda
The Mojo album is interesting from start to finish because of the sound of it, which interestingly came about because Mike Campbell got a Les Paul, a Gibson Les Paul guitar. Okay. After playing Fenders and Rickenbackers for most of his career, Mike Campbell, the story goes, Mike Campbell bought a 1959 Gibson Les Paul Sunburst. So RA5 or 600 of them are made. This was a beefy change musically for Mike Campbell. Right. Would you agree with that? As a guitar player, Les Paul has.
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Christian Lane
Humbucker pickups, which are the industry standard of beefy and chunky. And think Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin.
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Janda
Exactly. So playing around with this guitar, Mike Campbell, you know, started to incorporate these really, really sort of Led Zeppelin esque riffs, you know, playing this, playing this Gibson Les Paul. And it sparked ideas for Tom Petty hearing Mike Campbell play this, you know, really rare Gibson Les Paul. So Tom Petty then took that sound and decided to make an album around that Les Paul sound. And that's how the Mojo album came to be.
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Christian Lane
I love that.
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Janda
Isn't that interesting?
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Christian Lane
That's so Cool.
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Janda
Another thing that I thought was interesting about Mojo is that it marks the full fledged return of Ron Blair, who, if you will remember, took a step back from the Heartbreakers to run a bikini shop on Ventura Boulevard, even though he continued to come back and play with the band from time to time through the years. But, yeah, Ron Blair's back on track on Mojo.
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Christian Lane
Yeah, there's that great story about him saying he's one of the few people who could actually go see his band play live.
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Janda
Right.
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Christian Lane
He was selling bikinis at the time and he, you know, he would go see them when they.
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Janda
Isn't that great?
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Christian Lane
It's great.
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Janda
It is great. He's, you know, what a quirky guy. Back to the song that I chose from the Mojo album with that setup. I should have known it is the.
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Christian Lane
Song, it's the last time you're gonna hurt me.
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Janda
Great, great guitar riffs. I mean, just comes at you. Very Led Zeppelin esque. Absolutely. In terms of the guitar sound. But the lyric for the takedown is, I should have known it. Yeah, you're gonna let me down. Well, it's over now, you see. It's the last time you're gonna hurt me. And when those lyrics are coupled together with that really beefy, you know, guitar work that Mike Campbell's doing on this Les Paul, I mean, it's about a rocky relationship. It's one of Tom Petty's best grievance songs because the whole song is basically, you know, him leading up to saying, you can take a Sharpie and write it down on your calendar in permanent ink. That this day will be the last time that you will ever hurt my feelings again. You know, like, oh, and it's so.
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Christian Lane
Great the way that chord hangs. You're right. That it's that Les Paul and a Marshall amp just. That power cord hangs. And he says, the last time you're gonna hurt me. It's so effective. Oh, goodness.
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Janda
It's a rockin tune that totally kicks up dust. I love the way Tom Petty sings it. And he's got that sneer in his voice, as he should to deliver these lyrics. This is the last time you're ever gonna hurt me. And you believe it when he sings it, he sells it. It's an awesome tune. I would absolutely hate to be on the other end of the phone there for those lyrics. But, yeah, great, great song and a great. And a great album. A great later album from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Mojo album.
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Christian Lane
Yeah. That's a killer pick. That is a really good pick.
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Janda
Thank you.
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Christian Lane
Yeah. So all right, I guess. Yeah. So good. That's so rocking too. I am going to come back with Stop Dragging My Heart Around.
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Janda
Oh, man.
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Christian Lane
Stop Dragging. Which is actually off of Stevie Nick's belladonna record, the 1981 release, Massive World beating record. That stomped all over everybody. So what happened was, you know, we, you know, we've kind of mentioned Jimmy Iovine, Tom Petty's producer. He always liked the idea of girls singing like tough lines. He thought that was pretty cool. I think going back to be probably his love for girl groups. He's a New Yorker. This is a song that, you know, Mike Campbell wrote the music for it, Tom wrote the lyrics. And of course, Jimmy Iovine, being the entrepreneur, asked, you know, what, what if I have Stevie come in and sing these lyrics? He's producing both of them, but he's dating Stevie. So this is one of those things where he doesn't want to make it seem to Tom like, I'm doing this for my girlfriend. He sells him on the idea. So basically they recorded it as a Heartbreaker song. It would have gone on 1981's hard promises. But Stevie's vocal, you know, Jimmy had her sing on it and it's just so undeniable. I think Tom Petty, shrewd man as well as an artistic man, I think he understood immediately how impactful it was having her sing those lines. So you got a little trouble in town. So you. So you're keeping some demons down. That is so something Tom Petty does not want to deal with, right? If you're demons, like, he's already got enough demons. He's not dealing with your demons. You know, if you can't keep your shit in check, Tom Petty is not going to do it for you. And I think basically that's what you Stop dragging my heart around. I think it's, it's, it's basically, I'm not gonna do all this soul searching for you. I'm not gonna solve your problems. Another line I really love in it is, this doesn't have to be the big get even. This doesn't have to be anything at all.
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Janda
I love that line. This doesn't have to be anything at all. When he said anything at all. When he says, when he says that or when she sings that. It's, it is. That to me is a mic drop moment. It's kind of like, this doesn't have to be the big get even. This doesn't really have to be anything at all. You know, I mean, like, you could just Walk away.
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Christian Lane
Yeah. No histrionics, no blow up, no. No big clash, no Clash of the Titans. This is just done and like that. That is a very Tom Petty thing, I think, you know, we started to touch on this. He. He has a line, I think. Tom Petty in. In all things in business, in his dealings with mca, in his dealings with publishing promoters, promoters, you name it. Roger McGuinn's A&R guys who he yelled at for not getting him good enough songs.
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Janda
Right, right.
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Christian Lane
The man has a line. And when you cross that line that he's made in the sand, he's done. He sees red and he's done. But he doesn't. Red line, if you will. He doesn't go for the big explosion. He goes for, like, he would say the mic drop just by.
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Janda
It's. It's almost surgical what he does. Yeah. You know, it's quiet and surgical. I'm sure that he was prone to blowing up from time to time, of course, but I. I imagine that he was much more dangerous when he was quiet and still.
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Christian Lane
That's a really good point because some of them, you know, the. They slide in so easily like that scalpel, you know, like they really do that you almost don't know you're getting dissected until that organ has been removed.
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Janda
Right.
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Christian Lane
And you're like, wait, what happened?
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Janda
I used to have. There was a kidney there. What happened?
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Christian Lane
Yeah, I. I shouldn't have broke up with Tom Petty, apparently.
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Janda
Right, right.
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Christian Lane
So one more thing. I'd like to note that it is the Heartbreakers, but it is Donald Duck Dunn playing bass on that from the Wrecking Crew. And I just had to mention that because I love the Wrecking Crew.
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Janda
There you go. Credit where credit is due too.
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Christian Lane
Indeed.
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Janda
Interesting little factoid on that song. What a great one. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. That is a top tier Tom Petty burn track. I'm about to hit you with the tip top of the heat. Okay, so I'm going to the Long After Dark album, an album which has surfaced before in this list as we're talking it through. Let me just mention this. Long After Dark did come about at kind of a weird period for Tom Petty. I mean, he'd been on the road for years and years. He was kind of getting burned out. This is 1982, when they were on Backstreet Records. Jimmy Iovine had agreed to produce this album, but he failed to tell Tom Petty that he was also working with Bob Seger at the time, which kind of split his attention, of course, and became A thorny subject for between Jimmy Iovine and Tom Petty.
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Christian Lane
Oh, I'll bet.
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Janda
Yeah. Because when you produce an album, you kind of need to be focused on it as opposed to, you know, focused on a couple of them at the same time. So that was tough. Obviously, they got through it. This is also the album that you Got Lucky is on, which you talked about earlier. So I offer up this second Burn track from the Long After Dark album, Change of Heart.
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Christian Lane
It won't take long.
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Janda
Oh, listen, you can't. I don't think you can do better than this in terms of Tom Petty. Mic drop, walk away, forget about it. I'm winning this argument and you are toast. Lyrics. When he sings I'll get over you, it won't take long. Think about that. Think about saying that to somebody. Think about being in a. Okay, you're in a relationship, it's not going well. I have had the title of the song in and of itself, Change of Heart. There's been a change of heart here. He's saying, now you could go on and have like flowery stuff and you know the lyrics and you know, hey, you know, it was great, but it could be a completely different song. But no, not this one. Tom Petty's saying, there has been a change of heart. I'll get over you and it won't take long. Like, there's so hard, you cannot come back from it. If someone says to you, I'll get over you and it ain't gonna take too long, they are saying, you don't matter.
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Christian Lane
I mean, it's. It's so much worse than. It's just so much worse than anything. I don't know. I mean, it's the worst thing you could say. If somebody said that to me, I would be so devastated. It would still sting. That's crazy. It's crazy.
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Janda
It is. There is no comeback from it. It's the perfect burn. It's the perfect kiss off. Without belaboring the point, it is the haiku version of Go to Hell without any flowery puff ups around it. It's just like, I'll get over you and it won't take long. So there you go. From Long After Dark, the second song from Long After Dark to make it into this list. Change of Heart atop Tom Petty Burn.
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Christian Lane
You know, the thing with these songs and these burns is that he's doing them in the idiom of basically pop music. I mean, it's rock and roll, certainly, I would call it rock and roll, but I mean, they're pop songs. They're three minute verse, chorus, bridge, chorus out, you know, and to, to do that, to write these lines and to use these and surgical, you know, removals in the form of a three minute pop song that's over before you know it and like generally really catchy. And that makes you want to sing along. I mean, you end up singing along to these really brutal lyrics. When it comes down to it.
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Janda
That's a good word, brutal. I mean, these, these. He could do a brutal, surgical, very precise thing lyrically that hey, we can all relate to, you know, and that's why they became hits, you know. He was just really, really good at this.
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Christian Lane
Yeah. You know, it's funny that the punk rock thing of three chords. In the truth, I heard somebody refer to the Heartbreakers as four chords in the truth. It's simple, it's to the point. Perhaps nobody better really in rock and roll and pop music than being to the point like that and being, you know, and not feeling the need to, like you said, put flowery images with it or anything. He just really was comfortable in just saying the bare minimum. And I think that because it's the most effective, right. You know, we find that that's just really the most effective. All right, well, I'm going to finish today with I. This is the most. To me, it's one of the most Tom Petty lines that Tom Petty didn't actually write. Don't come around here no more. Oh, what a great from 1985, Southern accents. So, you know, we, we've, we, we did this one on behind the Song, you know, so there's, there's a whole thing on it, you know, we know it's a Dave Stewart demo, basically the music and he had the line, don't come around here no more. And that was from a, a real experience of him going to a party at Stevie Nicks house. Dave Stewart retires to the bedroom. Everybody's in the other room freshening up and that wasn't his thing. So he retires to the bedroom. He wakes up to Stevie Nicks trying on Victorian clothes for some reason. And to a recently broken up with Joe Walsh on the other side of the door, trying to come in, trying to talk to Stevie. And Stevie says to him, don't come around here no more. It's such a great line. It's, you know, in, in, in context it really sticks with Dave Stewart. So he's putting together this demo, he's putting together this track and he's got the one line, don't come around here no More. And Jimmy Iovine, Stevie Nick's producer, says, well, you know, let's get Tom Petty in here and see if he can help finish this up. Tom Petty gets in there and not only finishes it up, but the vocal he puts foots down. When Stevie comes in, she says, I. I just. I can't top this, right? It's just. It's his. Now. The quintessential line for me is, I'm giving up on waiting any longer. I've given up on this love getting stronger.
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Janda
Right?
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Christian Lane
Again, he's. He's got that line. It's such a Tom Petty thing to say, you know, I'm giving up on waiting any longer on the love getting stronger. It's just. The line has been crossed. Don't come around here no more, you know, and he says, I don't feel you.
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Janda
That's the one that really jumps out at me from that song. When he says, I don't feel you anymore, that is so hard. That's another one of those, you know, surgical knives coming in on you. When someone says to you, I've given up on this love growing stronger, it's just not gonna happen. You know, this is as good as it's ever gonna get, and that's not good enough. And then when he says, I don't feel you anymore, well, what is love but a feeling, right? So when. When he says, I don't feel you anymore, I don't. I love you. I mean, you know, there's just. There's nothing. There's nothing that you can say to that again. It's a mic drop. Because how do you come back to someone when they tell you, I don't love you anymore? Which is, in essence, is what he's saying when he uses the word feel. You can just replace one for the other. It's. It's amazing.
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Christian Lane
Yeah. I mean, that's the thing about a breakup. You know, even after a breakup, we still feel the person. We still feel them in our lives. We still feel their influence, you know, and for him to say, I don't feel you. Maybe the surgery there is. He has done a surgical removal on his feelings for this person. Person.
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Janda
It's an erasure. It's an erasing of someone.
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Christian Lane
And he seems to have the ability to do that, you know, or at.
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Janda
Least to make the other person feel like he has.
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Christian Lane
Right? Because I often, like I said, I often sense there's a thing where he's protecting himself and there's a thing where he's, you know, for somebody who's so confident. He's still there. There's the moments of self doubt and, you know, he still has all those things, but he's very good at convincing the other person that he's fine with this and he's just gonna walk away. I think that's what makes all these songs a burn, is because you really feel that from him, like he's actually capable of this.
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Janda
Yeah. I mean, and it gives so much to people who might be going through a rocky relationship and are at the point of breaking up. You can always count on Tom Petty to give you a song or two to help you through that rough patch when it comes to relationships and delivering words that we would find otherwise hard to say. Right.
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Christian Lane
I think these songs really do serve a purpose and say what you can't.
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Janda
Sometimes the fabric of our lives. And I mean, I guess that's the thing when you have an artist like Tom Petty so capable of touching on these hard to define and hard to express emotions, some of them negative, some of them hard to go through. That's why we need them. You know, we need songs, we need music. We need music to help us through every phase of our lives, particularly the rough patches. So I would say thank you, Tom Petty and Mike Campbell, for all those songs that help get us over, you know, so that seems like a pretty good way to wrap this one up. Christian, it's been fun to have this chat with you about Tom Petty takedown track.
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Christian Lane
It's always nice to not be on the receiving end of a Tom Petty takedown track. So it was good talking to you about this.
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Janda
Oh, man. All right, well, maybe we have to come back and do, you know, some of his sweeter songs just to sort of, you know, balance the scale. Maybe we'll do that at some point. Okay. All right, cool. Drop us a note in the comments if we missed a burn track, a diss track, a takedown track from Tom Petty, or if you like it, you know, absolutely. Give us a thumbs up and hit subscribe. And as always, thanks for joining us on this episode of behind the Song podcast. On the way, much more classic rock and roll.
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Erin Washington
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Janda
Thanks.
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Erin Washington
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