Believer’s Voice of Victory Audio Podcast

Episode: Faith for a Lifetime 10/02
Date: October 2, 2025
Host: Kenneth Copeland Ministries
Speakers: Kenneth Copeland (“A”), Greg Stephens (“B”)

Episode Overview

This episode continues the discussion on the theme of blood covenants and the enduring principles of faith, focusing on the legacy of faith-filled believers and how their examples and God’s promises empower Christians to live victoriously. Kenneth Copeland and Professor Greg Stephens draw connections between biblical teachings, personal experiences, and heritage—highlighting how faith and covenant promises transcend generations, cultures, and individual challenges.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Heritage, History, and Spiritual Roots

• Kenneth shares personal and Cherokee family history, revealing unexpected links between Cherokee and Hebrew culture.

  • Notable anecdote: Discovery of Middle Eastern alloys and Paleo-Hebrew inscriptions in Cherokee burial sites ([00:15]).
  • Cherokee traditions—being the “clean people”—paralleled biblical principles ([02:43]).

• Faith journeys are generational and cross-cultural:

  • “Through all of the writings...they believe that the Cherokee descended from the Jewish people.” – Kenneth ([02:37])
  • “God sowed his people.” – Greg ([02:41])

2. Hall of Faith and Biblical Examples

• Discussion of Hebrews 10–12:

  • The importance of living by faith, not by sight or feeling ([04:34]).
  • The lineage of Rahab, a “harlot” in Jesus’ ancestry, shows God’s redemptive power and inclusiveness ([05:00]).
  • “If someone had no reward at all, but he made it, just being there...you see the qualifications. The hall of fame of faith.” – Kenneth ([06:43])

• Transition from old to New Covenant, with Jesus as the author and finisher of faith ([05:40], [17:51]).

3. Personal Stories of Faith Giants

• Personal relationships with prominent Christian leaders:

  • Remembering Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Kenneth E. Hagin, Billy Graham, and others ([06:43]–[11:21]).

    • Story: Visiting Pat Robertson in his final days, cherishing his legacy ([06:43]–[09:50]).

  • Insights from Lester Sumrall:

    • “I am intensely interested in what I’m doing.” ([12:22])
    • Never get “stuck” in revelation; be open to God’s new move ([12:51]).
    • “I want to be a bridge...I want to move over there in that next move...until the day I depart.” ([13:15])

  • Connection to the great cloud of witnesses found in Hebrews 12 ([14:17]).

4. Spiritual Application: Laying Aside Weights

• Motivation to "run the race" faithfully:
  • Illustration with Olympic athletes—laying aside every unnecessary weight ([14:26]).
  • “That’s laying aside the things that slow you down.” – Greg ([14:26])
  • Oral Roberts’ miraculous healing from tuberculosis, demonstrating faith and overcoming adversity ([15:07]–[16:58]).

5. The Reality of the Covenant

• The Book: "God, the Covenant, the Contradiction"

  • When facing contradictions between God’s promises and reality, focus on Jesus and the covenant ([17:51]–[18:21]).
  • “Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him, endured the cross.” – Greg ([17:51])
  • Encouragement to “roll worries onto Him” and “lay aside some weights” ([18:51]).

• Testimonies of encounters with the supernatural:

  • Story of Bob Deweese’s near-death experience and vision of heaven ([19:16]–[22:36]).

    • “Don’t ever feel sorry for anyone that goes...Heaven’s pulling on me.” – Bob Deweese via Kenneth ([22:36])

  • Testimony of Israel Rodriguez’s faith bringing him to just the right place at the right time ([23:51]).

    • “See, he said it by faith.” – Kenneth ([24:33])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Heritage:
  “Our prophet’s name was Mises. Amen. And you can follow our heritage back to the Middle East...They believe the Cherokee descended from the Jewish people.”
  —Kenneth ([01:50]–[02:37])

• On Faith’s Hall of Fame:
  “Now you see the qualifications. The hall of fame of faith.”
  —Kenneth ([06:43])

• On Staying Spiritually Vital:
  “I want to be a bridge...I want to move over there in that next move...until the day I depart, because I’m intensely interested in what God is doing.”
  —Lester Sumrall (as recalled by Kenneth, [13:15])

• On the Challenge of Change:
  “The greatest resistance to a new wave is the previous wave going out.”
  —Greg ([14:10])

• On Laying Aside Weights:
  “Nothing to create drag in the water or running. That’s laying aside the things that slow you down.”
  —Greg ([14:26])

• On Miraculous Encounters and Testimonies:
  “He said, Charlotte, why did you do that for? He didn’t want to come back...Heaven’s pulling on me, man.”
  —Kenneth sharing Bob Deweese’s testimony ([22:36])

• On Living by Faith:
  “He said it by faith.”
  —Kenneth ([24:33])

Timestamps of Important Segments

• 00:02 – Opening: Kenneth on faith vs. feelings; Cherokee-Hebrew parallels introduced.
• 04:31 – Hebrews 10–12: Living by faith, “hall of fame” of faith.
• 06:43–13:15 – Remembrances of faith giants, their influence, and lessons learned.
• 13:45–14:26 – Laying aside every weight: athletic metaphors and spiritual application.
• 15:07–16:58 – Oral Roberts’ healing testimony.
• 17:51–18:21 – “God, the Covenant, the Contradiction”; considering Jesus through hardship.
• 19:16–22:36 – Bob Deweese’s vision of heaven; the reality of divine life beyond death.
• 23:51–24:34 – Israel Rodriguez’s testimony: faith and divine appointment.
• 27:22 – Word of knowledge released: Healing for TMJ/jaw issues.

Encouragement & Final Takeaways

The episode challenges listeners to focus on God’s covenant promises, be inspired by the lives of faith’s giants—both from Scripture and modern history—and practice laying aside worry, fear, and anything else that hinders running the race of faith. Personal testimony underscores that God is still active and working powerfully today.

Quotes to Remember

• "God loves you, we love you, and Jesus is your healer and your Lord." —Kenneth ([27:50])

Resources Mentioned

• Book: “God, the Covenant, the Contradiction” by Kenneth Copeland and Greg Stephens ([17:51], promo at [24:52])
• Website: www.kcm.org for free resources, devotionals, and on-demand teaching

This episode weaves scriptural teaching, personal legacy, and testimony into a compelling encouragement for Christians to live by faith, draw on their spiritual heritage, and confidently expect God’s best—no matter the contradiction.