Podcast Summary: "Jesus, the Mediator of the New Covenant"

Believer’s Voice of Victory Audio Podcast
Host: Kenneth Copeland Ministries
Speakers: Kenneth Copeland, Greg Stephens
Release Date: September 25, 2025

Main Theme

This episode dives into the profound role of Jesus as the Mediator of the New Covenant, exploring how the New Covenant contrasts with the Old, the importance of living by faith and covenant, and how Christians can walk in victory by embracing their covenantal rights and responsibilities. Kenneth Copeland and Greg Stephens use scripture—especially Hebrews and 2 Peter—to illuminate how believers can live above contradiction and apply covenant principles to everyday life.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Role of Angels and the Church

• Reminder of Angelic Purpose: Kenneth opens by revisiting the role of angels and emphasizing that “the principalities and powers shall be made known the wisdom of God through the church.” (00:02)
• Scriptural Context: Reference to the Book of Hebrews as foundational:
  "If I only had two books of the Bible, I'd have the Book of John and the Book of Hebrews. If I only had one, I'd go to the Book of Hebrews." – Kenneth Copeland (00:53)
• Anecdote: Shares a story about Corrie Ten Boom’s approach to the Bible—peeking at the end to see if it’s “worth reading”—and parallels it to the importance of understanding the new covenant.

Old Testament Examples as New Covenant Foreshadows

• Esau and Jacob: Esau’s rejection as a type of Israel’s rejection of Jesus and turning to the Gentiles (03:14–03:45).
  "The plan of God was performed by the rejection of the other one. Not because God pushed the other one away. The other one rejected." – Greg Stephens (03:28)
• Interconnectedness of Stories: All Bible stories build into each other and point toward greater truths about the covenant (03:52).

Mount Sinai vs. Mount Zion

• Sinai as Image of Law, Zion as Image of Grace:
  "But you come to Mount Zion...and to Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant." – Kenneth Copeland (04:03–04:47)
• Personal Testimony: Greg shares seeing the actual Mount Sinai, reinforcing its historical reality (04:49–05:27).

Paul as the 'Moses' for the Church

• Paul's Revelations:
  "Paul is our Moses for the church, for the Gentiles—to explain those things that we didn't have and get us out of the wilderness." – Greg Stephens (06:16)
• Transition from Law to Faith: The challenge for early believers to move from faith in Moses to faith in Jesus (06:43).

David’s Covenant Example

• David’s Actions and Words:
  "'That uncircumcised Philistine doesn't have a chance against me.'... Because the lion and the bear had no covenant." – Kenneth Copeland (07:03–08:11)
• Faith in Action: David didn’t pray for God to act; he stood in his covenant authority.
  "He used the word. And the angels backed that." – Greg Stephens (09:02–09:04)
• David’s Heart for Covenant: When he sinned, David ran toward God, not away.
  "He lived by covenant... Even when he sinned terribly, instead of running from God, he ran straight to him." – Kenneth Copeland (10:36–10:43)

Psalms and Jesus’ Victory

• David’s Psalms as Prophecy: Jesus used David’s psalms in his suffering and resurrection. "He defeated hell with what I sang... The man after God's own heart wrote the psalm that Jesus went into hell with and defeated the devil." – Kenneth Copeland (11:12)

The Present Truth and the Church’s Responsibility

• Living in the New Covenant:
  "We're in our promised land. We're not in the wilderness anymore, church." – Greg Stephens (12:01)
• Warning Against Regression: Not to slip back into law or external rituals—The church is to stand established in the present truth (12:27–13:25).
• Quote:
  "Have you fallen from grace? Have you gone back to the law instead of faith?" – Kenneth Copeland (13:25)
• Excellence in Ministry: Being earnest and honest in teaching and living out the gospel (14:19–15:29).

The 'More Sure Word of Prophecy'

• Scripture as Final Authority:
  "This book is the more sure word of prophecy. And if what you prophesy doesn't match this book... more sure word of prophecy." – Kenneth Copeland (20:18–20:34)
• Personal Analogy: Kenneth describes navigating a dark hotel room as a metaphor for how the word is a light to the believer (18:00–20:16).

False Prophets and the Role of Jesus

• Jesus and the Holy Ghost as True Source:
  "I said, excuse me, what prophet guides you? I said, Jesus and the Holy Spirit." – Greg Stephens (16:41–17:30)
• Contemporary Application: The problem isn’t “out there” but a need for believers to walk in covenant truth steadfastly (17:44–18:00).

Applying Covenant Promises

• 2 Chronicles 7:14: Importance of humility, prayer, and repentance for healing of nations (21:21–21:54).
• Jesus’ Healing Ministry:
  "Present age healing and forgiveness of sins always go together." – Greg Stephens (21:54)

America, Covenants, and the End Times

• The Covenant People in America:
  "The only way you're going to be able to destroy America is to remove the covenant people from America. And that'll only happen when the trumpet sounds." – Greg Stephens (22:33)
• End Times Link: Continued presence of the church keeps the nation anchored in covenant promises until rapture (22:42–23:19).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If I only had two books of the Bible, I'd have the Book of John and the Book of Hebrews. If I only had one book, I'd go to the Book of Hebrews." – Kenneth Copeland (00:53)
• "Paul is our Moses for the church, for the Gentiles—to explain those things that we didn't have and get us out of the wilderness." – Greg Stephens (06:16)
• "He lived by covenant... Even when he sinned terribly, instead of running from God, he ran straight to him." – Kenneth Copeland (10:36–10:43)
• "He defeated hell with what I sang... The man after God's own heart wrote the psalm that Jesus went into hell with and defeated the devil." – Kenneth Copeland (11:12)
• "This book is the more sure word of prophecy. And if what you prophesy doesn't match this book... more sure word of prophecy." – Kenneth Copeland (20:18–20:34)
• "Present age healing and forgiveness of sins always go together." – Greg Stephens (21:54)
• "The only way you're going to be able to destroy America is to remove the covenant people from America. And that'll only happen when the trumpet sounds." – Greg Stephens (22:33)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Angels and Wisdom Through the Church: 00:02–00:52
• Value of Book of Hebrews: 00:53–01:56
• Esau/Jacob as Foreshadow: 02:00–03:45
• Mount Sinai vs. Mount Zion, Description of Sinai: 04:03–05:27
• Paul as Moses for Church & Transition to Jesus: 06:09–06:43
• David, Goliath, the Covenant: 07:03–09:09
• David’s Relationship with God Post-Sin: 10:25–11:06
• David’s Psalms and Jesus’ Victory: 11:12–11:44
• Present Truth and Excellence: 12:01–15:29
• Scripture as Sure Word / Personal Analogy: 18:00–20:16
• False Prophets & True Guidance: 16:41–17:42
• 2 Chronicles 7:14 & Healing of Nations: 21:21–21:54
• America, Covenant, and End Times: 22:33–23:19

Conclusion

This episode is a rich, scripture-filled dialogue emphasizing Jesus as the Mediator of a better covenant. Kenneth Copeland and Greg Stephens invite believers to embrace their identity in Christ, walk by covenant faith, avoid returning to legalistic mindsets, and let the word of God be their surest guide and light. The consistent call is toward excellence, covenant-living, and steadfast faith—regardless of the contradictions faced in today’s world.