
Loading summary
Kenneth Copeland
I move by what I feel. I don't live by what I see because my God has made a way for me. Now, I told you yesterday, forget the angels, because angels. Well, we won't look it up right now. But the Lord said through the apostle Paul that the principalities and powers. We're not talking about the bad ones because he's talking about angels. The principalities and powers shall be made known. The wisdom of God through the church.
Greg Stephens
That's right.
Kenneth Copeland
So we have to keep reminding people of it and find the angels and where they fit. So right here in the Book of Hebrews, if I only had two books of the Bible, I'd have the Book of John and the Book of Hebrews. If I only had one book, I'd go to the Book of Hebrews. I start there and then that's like beginning at the back of the book. And did you see that where Pat Robertson was interviewing Corrie 10? Boom.
Greg Stephens
No.
Kenneth Copeland
She said, well, and you know, she had that real sweet Dutch accent. She said, well, I want to see if the book is worth reading or not. So I take a peek, see. Oh, yeah, okay, I'll go back and read. And then she said, and I took a peek at the Bible. Yes, we need to read the rest of it.
Greg Stephens
Amen.
Kenneth Copeland
So now, if you want to turn in your Bibles, it's in the 12th chapter of the. The Book of Hebrews, right after the hall of Fame of Faith, right in the 11th chapter. And he said, he has done something better for us. So. Oh, let's see, Lord, where should I begin? Well, he was talking about Esau, verse 17. For you know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected. For he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. What did he do? He just. Just kind of kissed it off. I'm hungry. I've been. I don't care about that birthright. Give me that. Now, once he'd done that, it was pretty well over for him as far as that birthright was concerned.
Greg Stephens
Now, who was the brother Jacob, who became Israel?
Kenneth Copeland
There you have it. The plan of God was performed by.
Greg Stephens
The rejection of the other one. Not because God pushed the other one away. The other one rejected. Now you're going to see that's a type and shadow. When we get over to Jesus, they will reject. He'll turn to the Gentiles.
Kenneth Copeland
But now, then Jacob became Israel. Anyway. Let's go in here.
Greg Stephens
Now, all these Bible stories are not stories. They're connected. They're connected verse 20.
Kenneth Copeland
For they could not endure that which was commanded. If so much as a beast touched the mountain that shall be stoned or thrust through with a dart so terrible or awesome was the sight that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake. But you come to Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn which are written in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect or complete. To Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant and the blood of sprinkling that sprinkleth better things than that of Abel. There it is, right there.
Greg Stephens
That's it.
Kenneth Copeland
The mediator of the new covenant.
Greg Stephens
It's a different mountain. It's not Sinai. No, because he just said it and he described it burnt on the top. I teach the Bible school students, I've been there. I saw it with my own eyes, that mountain. And I was not living for God when I saw it. And I remember being there and seeing this. And it's in Arabia, it's in Saudi Arabia. It's called the Burnt Mountain. The top of it, Brother Copeland, is still blackburned to this day. They have fencing around it now. There's all kinds of things there. And even Paul will tell you Mount Sinai in Arabia is where he went.
Kenneth Copeland
That's where he went.
Greg Stephens
It's not over where other people have.
Kenneth Copeland
The idea that he was there three years, it doesn't say how long he was there. And I asked Rick about that and he went back and read it. He said, well, he said, I don't know why I hadn't seen that before. Well, I didn't either. Brother Hagin is the one that brought it up. He spent so much time with the Lord in vision form that Jesus actually taught him things personally.
Greg Stephens
Well, I believe like he did with Paul. Paul said he was taught of Jesus.
Kenneth Copeland
And we needed him.
Greg Stephens
I say this and people will get mad at me when I say this. And I'm not hating on Moses. Paul is our Moses for the church, for the Gentiles to explain those things that we didn't have and get us.
Kenneth Copeland
Out of the wilderness.
Greg Stephens
We were strangers and aliens to the covenant. He's explaining the covenant to us, but it's a new covenant with a different meaning. Not Moses, now it's Jesus.
Kenneth Copeland
Jesus said that while he was here on the earth.
Greg Stephens
Absolutely did. And this is why the Esau of Jesus Day rejected him. They could not let go of circumcision. Is your Righteousness. No, it's not. It's a symbol of it. And they could not let go of.
Kenneth Copeland
Moses and faith in it.
Greg Stephens
Right.
Kenneth Copeland
David, he's less than 20. Because if he'd been 20 years old, he'd been in the army. All of his brothers were there. He just went up to take some food to his brothers. And the king said, you can't fight him because he. You're just but a youth. And this man has been trained for war all of his life. What was his answer? That uncircumcised Philistine doesn't have a chance against me.
Greg Stephens
That's coming up.
Kenneth Copeland
He said, I killed a lion and a bear with my bare hands. And he compared the giant to the lion and the bear. Because the lion and the bear had no covenant.
Greg Stephens
That's right.
Kenneth Copeland
And he was charged with the duty of keeping his father's sheep.
Greg Stephens
That covenant gave him dominion.
Kenneth Copeland
Yes, it did.
Greg Stephens
Over alliance and bear.
Kenneth Copeland
That's the reason he's a man after God's own heart. He lived by covenant. And he. And the. Here's another thing. You know, Goliath went roaring around at him. He paid no attention to his size or how loud he got.
Greg Stephens
That's right.
Kenneth Copeland
And it wasn't any of the Hollywood thing. It says he ran after him and he put that stone in that sling while he was running. And he said, I come at you in the name of the Lord God, the Lord of hosts. So now he put the angels to work.
Greg Stephens
Yes, he did.
Kenneth Copeland
That uncircumcised Philistine. I'll kill him.
Greg Stephens
Now notice what he didn't do? He didn't pray to God to send an angel to kill him.
Kenneth Copeland
No, he used the word.
Greg Stephens
He used the word. And the angels backed that. Yes, because of demeanor.
Kenneth Copeland
So now you can imagine all the practice he had. Now, I tried this. I made me a sling. Listen, you kill somebody with that thing so easy, particularly if you got rock placement. And one of these right there. Then he climbed up on him, took his sword and cut his head off. That thing had to be big as a basketball. He's got this head. So this is his. This is his badge of battle. It frightened the whole Philistine army. And the irony of it, they ran back to Goliath's hometown. And David is running down Main street with Goliath's head in his hand. Then he goes back, and I guess his mother said, you're not bringing that head in here. He's a teenager. So he put the man's armor in his tent.
Greg Stephens
Scripture Says he went to Jerusalem.
Kenneth Copeland
Yes.
Greg Stephens
Afterward. Took that all the way there.
Kenneth Copeland
I can't let go of that covenant relationship with him. He did that all of his life.
Greg Stephens
Yes, he did.
Kenneth Copeland
Even when he sinned terribly.
Greg Stephens
Yes, he did.
Kenneth Copeland
Instead of running from God, he ran straight to him.
Greg Stephens
Yes, he did.
Kenneth Copeland
Ran straight to him and just. And just sang his heart out before him. He sang the psalms to him. And it hit me. David is in the bosom of Abraham and Jesus is inside there going on the 22nd Psalm. Don't you know? David is saying he's using my stuff.
Greg Stephens
Yeah, he is. Yeah, he is. Yeah. No, it's true.
Kenneth Copeland
He defeated hell with what I sang. Now, that's no accident. The man after God's own heart wrote the psalm that Jesus went into hell with and defeated the devil. And by using that psalm, the glory of God raised him from the dead.
Greg Stephens
That's exactly right.
Kenneth Copeland
That's what's on.
Greg Stephens
Psalm 23 was when he was in.
Kenneth Copeland
The grave and walking through the valley.
Greg Stephens
Of the shadow of death. Psalm 24 is when he came out of the grave.
Kenneth Copeland
Yes.
Greg Stephens
So he wrote all three of those that are right there.
Kenneth Copeland
And they're in the right order.
Greg Stephens
And they're in order because he's in God. That's in order. He's decent in order. That's the way he does things. Let's get. I want to get back to this because I promised a verse yesterday.
Kenneth Copeland
Yes, he's promised. First, he's coming. I'm excited.
Greg Stephens
In Second Peter, okay, We have a high priest, Mount Zion, not Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai is in the wilderness. We're in our promised land. We're not in the wilderness anymore. Church. We are in our land. We are in our covenant. Now, if America has a covenant and the church, then why is so much bad happening? I looked over.
Kenneth Copeland
Show me. Show me that. Where are you now?
Greg Stephens
I'm in Second Peter, chapter one. And Peter is becoming old. He's about to give up his body. He's about to die. And he says, verse 11. For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom. There's that everlasting again. Of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though you know them. And be established in this present truth. That's our new covenant. That's these epistles. That's the book of Hebrews. Be established in this present truth. Tying that back to Sinai. I can't go back and live in Sinai. When I'm in Christ in this present truth, and I believe that's the great falling away that's happened so much in the church. They're trying to go back to other things or forward to other things and not remaining.
Kenneth Copeland
In other words, you said that in the book of Galatia. Have you. Have you fallen from grace? Have you gone back to the law instead of faith?
Greg Stephens
And it is by faith that it might be by grace.
Kenneth Copeland
Well, if you continue to read there, I think it meet as long as I'm in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance, knowing that shortly I must put off my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ has shown me. Moreover, I will endeavor that you may be able, after my decease, to have these things always in remembrance. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. Look at this now. For he received from God the Father honor and glory when there came a voice to him from the excellent glory. This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Greg Stephens
Well, he was standing there, wasn't that?
Kenneth Copeland
We have also a more sure word of prophecy, wherein you do well and take heed as unto a light that shines in a dark place until the day dawn and the day star arise in your heart. And Oral Roberts took that, and he said and said this to me. He preached it there as long as he was there at Oru. This is an excellent ministry. This came from the excellent glory. So we must have excellence of faith, excellence of ministry. And every professor, every teacher in this university must have excellency in their background. And while they're here.
Greg Stephens
Yes.
Kenneth Copeland
Ed just went over that with me, over it and over it and over it and over it. And then I finally came up with a message on the excellence of ministry. To be brutally honest with yourself and be brutally honest with God. Walk straight in all manners of life if you're going to preach this holy gospel. And then I realized, ooh, I got.
Greg Stephens
To practice what a preach.
Kenneth Copeland
So I got to thinking about it, and I thought, well, I've been talking about my grandfather being blood Cherokee. I was satisfied at that, and I'm talking about that. And then I thought so. And you've heard me say this before, I'm quite sure. But then my granddaughter Rachel did a DNA test on me, and it came back, the Irish showed up from my dad's Scots Irish and then some other stuff, but it just didn't say anything about it. She called me back. She said, papa, I found out why. She said, the Native American people won't give that huge database their markers. They don't trust them. She said, I found a company that specializes in that. And I said, well, let's do it again. It was there. There it was, plus two tribes I never heard of. So I framed it and put it on the wall of my study. Now I can talk about it, but with excellence in ministry, I could not bring that up anymore.
Greg Stephens
Okay, let me show you this. If this is this present truth, keep going where you stopped right there. Verse 20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is for any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. This present time is people moved by the Holy Ghost. And then he starts talking about false prophets and teachers. I had somebody ask me not too long back, what prophet do you follow? And what prophet are you under? And what prophet guides you? And I said, excuse me, what prophet guides you? I said, jesus and the Holy Spirit. And if I'm going to pick a human, I knew where they were headed. If I'm going to pick a human person, well, it's brother Kenneth Copeland. He's my spiritual head. I'm submission to him. And they said, oh, well, we have many prophets we follow. And I thought, this is this present truth, and everybody's looking for a quick spiritual answer to what's wrong with America.
Kenneth Copeland
Praise God.
Greg Stephens
And the quick spiritual answer is us walking in our covenant and teaching our covenant beyond the contradiction that we see and hear on the news every Sunday. That we've been establishing this and hold.
Kenneth Copeland
In clear reverence that the Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil, whether it's here or whatever nation it is, wherever it is, I don't care if it's a tribal people somewhere that never heard of God or anybody else. That's the root of all evil. And you don't hear anybody saying anything about it. And. But if you. And look at this, we have a more sure word of prophecy whereunto you do well, that you take heed as unto a light that shineth in a dark place until the day gone, the day star arrive in your heart. What is that? Well, I can tell you what it's like to somebody that travels all the time. You get into this hotel room, the restroom's around there. You get into this hotel room and it's over there, you get into that hotel room and it's back here. And one night I got up. I was still asleep and I got up and I turned this way and I hit the wall. This was back before I had sense enough to take a flashlight with me. But I carry one with me now all the time. To have my light in a dark place, I carry is right in here all the time. And I have extra batteries in there so I don't get caught in a dark place. So I hit that wall and then I couldn't find it. I was lost in my own hotel room. There was light coming under the door. Okay, that's the front door. Okay. So over there. Yeah. That taught me that verse.
Greg Stephens
Amen.
Kenneth Copeland
So that we also a more sure word of prophecy. This book is the more sure word of prophecy. And if what you prophesy doesn't match this book.
Greg Stephens
Bingo.
Kenneth Copeland
More sure word of prophecy. You take all of the prophetic statements of this book. Whereunto you do well. That you take heed as unto a light that shines in a dark place until the day dawn and the day star rise in your heart. Or until you see the light coming under the door of the motel room. Yeah, that's right. No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man. But holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. There are false prophets.
Greg Stephens
That's part of our present truth.
Kenneth Copeland
Yes, it is.
Greg Stephens
Another one that's part of our present truth is 2nd Chronicles 7:14, which we talk about for our country. If my people, which are called by my name, there's covenant. Shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways. Then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and heal their land. Notice. Forgive their sins and heal their land. That's the ministry of Jesus. Jesus was always forgiving somebody of their sins and healing. Present age healing and forgiveness of sins always go together.
Kenneth Copeland
He talked about it and talked about it and talked about it. The killing of the prophets.
Greg Stephens
That's it.
Kenneth Copeland
But that goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden.
Greg Stephens
Yes, it does.
Kenneth Copeland
And it. He referred to these, all these things, referenced them. He did not say anything in his life or ministry that was not already written. He referred to Scripture and he kept referring to the psalm.
Greg Stephens
The only way you're going to be able to destroy America is to remove the covenant people from America. And that'll only happen when the trumpet sounds.
Kenneth Copeland
Now, the place where we don't see it anymore is after. The catching away of the church doesn't mean it cease to exist. But of course it'll be a part of it because it's, it's part of all that. Well then so much that is referred to in the book of Revelation about the people that he will accept him during that time has got to be connected to the United States.
Greg Stephens
That's right.
Kenneth Copeland
And it may be just a whole lot of them because I'm, I'm, I'm totally, completely convinced of this. Jesus came back for six weeks.
Greg Stephens
Yes.
Kenneth Copeland
He did a month and a half and appeared to people and we're out of time. But I believe that's going to happen again.
Greg Stephens
Amen.
Kenneth Copeland
We'll be back in just a moment.
Narrator
Discover how simple the answer to every question and every problem in life can be in God. The Covenant and the Consciousness, a new book by Kenneth Copeland and Greg Stephens. In this approachable book, dive deep into what a covenant is and what it's for. Discover what your covenant does for you and learn to overcome every contradiction and obstacle. With every covenant promise comes a contradiction. When you read in the Bible that by Jesus stripes you're healed and the diagnosis comes back incurable, or when you're facing a towering stack of unpaid bills, when you read that God promises you prosperity, common sense and human reasoning rise up to shout. There's no way that God's promises will happen in your life. Thank God. Covenant men and women throughout time have refused the contradiction and praised through in faith to the end result the blessing promised by God. And you can too see the Bible unfold more clearly than ever before in God, the Covenant and the Contradiction.
Announcer
God, the Covenant and the Contradiction by Kenneth Copeland and Greg Stephens is available to you now at a special limited time price of 13.99. Order your copy today at kcm.org tvspecial or call 800600 7395. Downloadable options are also available, so share this valuable resource with your family and friends. This special offer is good for only 660 days outside the US shipping charges may apply. Contact your regional office for more information.
Narrator
Find something Life Giving on kcm.org, your study center for victory. View the Believer's Voice of Victory broadcasts on demand and study along with the daily broadcast notes or download the audio podcasts to listen on the go. Watch prior KCM events for hours with truth going in your eyes and ears. Wherever you are, get real help for real life problems. Follow our guide to Believe, Speak, Pray, learn and apply your way to results from your couch desk or kitchen table. Stay focused on truth by reading the devotional From Faith to Faith every day. Read Interactive BVOV magazine and click to unlock more content in each issue. Get a faith boost from testimonies of real life success from people just like you. Find information on what partnership means and take advantage of the resources provided just from Read archives of Kenneth Copeland's Partner Letter and download free books from our Bonus Library. Over 50 titles available to read on your phone, computer or e reader. KCM.org meets you where you are.
Announcer
Take the Word of Faith wherever you go with the Believer's Voice of Victory Magazine. Since 1973, KCM has delivered the Believer's Voice of Victory magazine worldwide. We're reaching nearly 400,000 people in 202 countries and territories on five continents, all absolutely free. Every magazine contains faith building articles from Kenneth and Gloria Copeland and other guest authors. Read encouraging stories from people like you in testimonies of real Life Victory. Equip your kids with powerful tools for spiritual growth in Commander Kelly's Corner. With a variety of viewing formats available, sharing is easier than ever. Download a digital copy for your tablet or mobile device. Click on the Interactive Magazine option where you'll find bonus content, videos and downloads. Sign up for your free monthly subscription or download your copy today@kcm.org.
Kenneth Copeland
This book is pregnant with revelation, but you have to live in it to get it, and we'll talk some more about it tomorrow. But until then, remember this again that God loves you and we love you and Jesus is Lord. Hallelujah. Glory to God. Hallelujah.
Narrator
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Watch the Believer's Voice of Victory broadcast free on kcm.org or KCM's Roku channel. If you would like a free copy of the broadcast to put into your faith library, you can Download it on kcm.org or request it on DVD or CD. Keep your heart full of the Word of God and continue to grow in faith. Every believer has a voice, and it is the voice of Victory.
Believer’s Voice of Victory Audio Podcast
Host: Kenneth Copeland Ministries
Speakers: Kenneth Copeland, Greg Stephens
Release Date: September 25, 2025
This episode dives into the profound role of Jesus as the Mediator of the New Covenant, exploring how the New Covenant contrasts with the Old, the importance of living by faith and covenant, and how Christians can walk in victory by embracing their covenantal rights and responsibilities. Kenneth Copeland and Greg Stephens use scripture—especially Hebrews and 2 Peter—to illuminate how believers can live above contradiction and apply covenant principles to everyday life.
This episode is a rich, scripture-filled dialogue emphasizing Jesus as the Mediator of a better covenant. Kenneth Copeland and Greg Stephens invite believers to embrace their identity in Christ, walk by covenant faith, avoid returning to legalistic mindsets, and let the word of God be their surest guide and light. The consistent call is toward excellence, covenant-living, and steadfast faith—regardless of the contradictions faced in today’s world.