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Episode: The Old and New Covenants Point to Jesus
Date: September 29, 2025
Hosts: Kenneth Copeland (A), Greg Stephens (B)
Main Theme: Understanding the Old and New Covenants as Blood Covenants that Point to Jesus

Episode Overview

In this episode, Kenneth Copeland and Greg Stephens explore the nature of the Old and New Covenants as blood covenants, not merely agreements, tracing their fulfillment in Jesus Christ. They discuss the seriousness and significance of covenant in the Bible, its impact on Christian identity and living, and practical steps believers can take to walk in the reality of their covenant promises—particularly healing. Using biblical examples, personal stories, and direct scriptural references, they encourage listeners to embrace an active, expectant faith rooted in their unbreakable blood covenant with God.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Bible as a Book of Blood Covenants

• Blood Covenant vs. Agreement:

  • The Bible is fundamentally a record of blood covenants, the most solemn type of agreement (00:34).
  • Misunderstandings about God’s will often stem from not grasping this covenant nature.
  • “A blood agreement is the most serious thing on the face of the earth.” – Copeland (01:25)

• Historical and National Relevance:

  • Early American leaders referenced biblical covenants, underlining a spiritual heritage (02:41).
  • Examples: The inscription from Leviticus on the Liberty Bell, national covenants modeled on Genesis 17.

2. Covenants Originate with God and are Fulfilled in Jesus

• Covenants Purpose:

  • After Adam’s fall, God’s covenants aimed to restore humanity—culminating in Jesus (04:38).
  • “All these covenants point to one person—his name is Jesus.” – Stephens (05:04)

• Restoration to Eden:

  • Jesus’ fulfillment brings believers back to the position Adam lost—“seated with Him in heavenly places” (Ephesians 2) (05:55).

3. The Conditional Nature of Covants

• Blood Covenant: Unbreakable but Conditional on Faith

  • “Our covenant is irrevocable, but it's not unconditional—you have to receive him." – Stephens (09:05)
  • Unbreakable because it’s between God and Jesus, but must be personally accepted.

• Old Covenant Promises:

  • Leviticus 26: Obedience yields rain, peace, fruitfulness, victory—even in impossible odds (11:09, 14:05).
  • Example: Israel's 1948 victories as a modern sign of covenant faithfulness (14:05).

4. Recognizing ‘Covenant Language’ and Making it Personal

• Hearing and Expecting Covenant Promises:

  • Covenant promises “jump out” once you develop covenant-awareness (14:31).
  • Believers should thank God for healing as a covenant right—examples of healings given during the broadcast (15:41).

• Practical Application and Daily Rituals:

  • Copeland describes his daily routine of confessing healing scriptures (Isaiah 53, Matthew 8:14, 1 Peter 2:24) and keeping a notebook by his mirror (17:00).

5. Faith, Expectation, and Pleading the Blood

• From Acceptance to Expectation:

  • It’s not a one-time experiment, but a life (18:09).
  • “You have to accept this is not an experiment with Jesus—it’s your life.” – Stephens (18:18)
  • Copeland recounts reminding God of their “blood covenant” for physical and spiritual needs (18:34).

• Jesus’ Intercession—Pleading the Blood:

  • Jesus actively “pleads the blood” over believers before the Father, echoing intercessory tradition (20:48).
  • “His blood is there—it’s alive—and it speaks.” – Stephens (21:11)
  • The blood of Jesus continues to cry out for mercy, healing, and restoration (21:18).

6. Warnings and Encouragements

• Guarding Speech about the Blood:

  • Warning against careless or irreverent uses of “blood” in language or oaths (27:26).
  • The blood is sacred and faith in it should be expressed reverently.

• Rolling Your Cares onto Jesus:

  • Believers are encouraged to let go of care, anxiety, and worry—“read 1 Peter 5, find that precious promise” (22:45).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“A blood agreement is the most serious thing on the face of the earth.”
— Kenneth Copeland (01:25)

“All these covenants point to one person—his name is Jesus.”
— Greg Stephens (05:04)

“Our covenant is irrevocable, but it's not unconditional—you have to receive Him.”
— Greg Stephens (09:05)

“If I Were, I am. And that's where faith comes into it now.”
— Kenneth Copeland, reflecting on healing as a past-tense covenant promise (17:50)

“You have to accept this is not an experiment with Jesus—it’s your life.”
— Greg Stephens (18:18)

“There’s blood between us. … And I expect it now, not later.”
— Kenneth Copeland, on praying with covenant confidence (19:48)

"His blood is there. Right there. It’s alive. And it speaks."
— Greg Stephens (21:11)

"If the blood of Abel spoke, ... believe me, the blood of Jesus still speaks and still cleanses, still heals."
— Greg Stephens (21:18)

Key Timestamps

• 00:02–03:34: Introduction to covenant as more than agreement; biblical and historical context
• 04:38–05:55: Adam’s fall and need for covenant; all covenants point to Jesus
• 05:55–09:49: Ephesians 2—seated with Christ, covenant as basis for hope and belonging
• 11:09–15:18: Leviticus 26 and the condition/promise dynamic; Israel in 1948; covenant language in scripture
• 15:41–17:50: Healing as part of the covenant; routines for living in covenant promises
• 18:09–21:18: Accepting covenant, pleading the blood, living by expectation, not experiment
• 21:18–23:42: The blood speaking, rolling cares on Jesus, practical encouragement
• 27:26: Warning on language and reverence for the blood covenant

Tone and Style

The conversation is deeply reverent, faith-filled, and practical, with both hosts encouraging listeners to personally embrace, confess, and expect their covenant rights in Christ. The episode mixes firm theology with lived testimony and direct encouragement for daily living.

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