Sasheer Imagines Life In The Hunger Games

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary

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Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata

Episode: "Sasheer Imagines Life In The Hunger Games"
Original Release Date: January 7, 2026
Host: Headgum

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Overview

In this lighthearted and deeply funny episode, Nicole and Sasheer jump from personal anecdotes to musings on history, architecture, pop culture, and dystopian fiction—culminating in a lively discussion about The Hunger Games and what it says about society. Throughout, their best-friend chemistry is front and center, mixing playful teasing, shared bewilderment at the world, and spontaneous, philosophical rabbit holes.

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Major Discussion Themes & Segments

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1. Thrift Store Finds & Termite Talk

[03:10 – 06:43]

• Sasheer shares her recent thrift store adventure, scoring a cabinet for her self-tape equipment.
• Nicole and Sasheer discuss the risks of bringing in secondhand furniture—mainly termites.
• They question why houses are still built from wood in the modern age.
• Nicole expresses disdain for the flammability and vulnerability of wooden houses:
  Nicole [05:54]: "It's wild that we build houses out of wood. They burn up. Bugs eat them. Metal!"

2. History, Mesopotamians, and Tracking Time

[06:43 – 11:14]

• Nicole wonders about the origins of house-building and year-counting systems.
• They humorously puzzle over BC/AD vs. the secular timeline, with lighthearted confusion abounding.
• Ali Khan chimes in with factoids on early house builders in Turkey and the nature of BC/AD.

3. Jesus' Miracle Set and Friendship Dynamics

[11:14 – 13:47]

• Nicole imagines herself wanting to be as culturally significant as Jesus, with time named after her.
• They joke about the practicality and party impact of Jesus' miracles (“turning wine into water would get you ejected from a party”).
• Reflection on what it would be like to discover a friend possessed Jesus-like powers.

Nicole [13:39]: "Walking on water—that's fucking cool. If you saw that, do you think you would freak out?"

4. Car Seats and Unique Body Types

[13:47 – 17:32]

• Conversation shifts to how each of them sits while driving, demonstrating how body shape affects comfort.
• Both recall memorable strangers with strikingly unusual or surgically enhanced body types.
• Nicole wonders why people getting BBLs don't also get matching thighs for symmetry.
• Discussion of dangers and after-effects of BBL (Brazilian Butt Lift) surgeries.

Nicole [17:18]: "People be risking their lives to look like ants."

5. Aliens, Silver Surfers, and Stepping Into the Unknown

[18:23 – 21:21]

• Nicole asks if Sasheer would leave Earth with an alien named the "Nearly" (equipped with a 'whip wop' phone).
• Both ultimately agree they're too attached to Earth’s familiar comforts to leave without return-guarantees.
• Discussion transitions to the logic of the Silver Surfer from the Fantastic Four film, notably questioning the surfboard motif.

6. Dystopian Stories, Stephen King's Mind, and The Hunger Games

[22:09 – 26:56]

• Nicole summarizes watching The Long Walk (based on Stephen King), marveling at his ability to conjure such chilling premises.

• Sasheer raises questions about the prevalence of dystopian tales involving kids in mortal peril, and wonders if media desensitizes audiences:
  Sasheer [24:19]: "Are we, as a society, supposed to learn something from all these stories of kids dying, or are we just getting used to it?"

• Nicole connects to The Hunger Games, referencing Whitney Houston’s “Greatest Love of All” as a warped justification for dystopias killing children.

7. Hunger Games Hypotheticals

[25:31 – 26:54]

• Nicole and Sasheer discuss what factions they'd be in (Capitol or District) and muse about the awful fate of Hunger Games winners.
• Ali Khan summarizes the winner's predicament: they get a better house but must serve as mentors (like Woody Harrelson’s character).

Nicole [27:01]: "And then you just have to, like, coach [kids] on how to kill the other children! Oh my God. I hope the Hunger Games don’t come to life."

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8. Optimism About the Future in Movies, Childhood Toys, and Adult Collections

[28:04 – 34:47]

• Nicole laments that no sci-fi movie ever shows a nice, non-dystopian future.
• Discussion of toys from childhood and how their kids (or kids today) recognize Mr. Potato Head as a character from Toy Story, not as the original toy.
• Nicole describes her office decorated with an array of nostalgic toys.

9. Changing Design Trends & Loss of Character

[34:47 – 39:49]

• Sasheer and Nicole talk about how millennials aren’t passing down heirlooms, just toys or cheap furniture.
• Critique of "Millennial Gray" aesthetic and disappointment with renovations erasing the unique character from houses made famous in sitcoms (Family Matters, Home Alone).
• Nicole is personally affronted by houses losing their history:
  Nicole [37:31]: "We’re losing character, we're losing—everything is becoming so homogenous."

10. Surprising Selves, Goofiness, and Social Faux Pas

[39:58 – 45:23]

• Nicole shares stories of surprising herself—awkward poses in photos, weird reactions, and unexpected outbursts (like demanding discarded soft-serve ice cream).
• Sasheer is more measured and rarely startled by her own behavior but admits to sometimes saying things more direct than intended.

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11. Planning, Group Texts, and the "Next Weekend" Debate

[46:17 – 47:58]

• Funny confusion regarding the meaning of “next weekend” on a Sunday—reflecting different interpretations and group chat frustrations.

12. Piratical Expressions, Submarines, and Nautical History

[48:41 – 56:00]

• The origin of "Shiver me timbers" is explored, with Ali Khan providing the official etymology.
• Nicole and Sasheer ponder the logistics of historical sailing and modern submarine travel (with Titanic movie references).

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Listener Questions & Advice Segments

13. Listener Advice: Visiting an Ex’s Family After a Breakup

[57:05 – 60:36]

• A listener, Dee, asks if it's weird to visit her ex’s family (who she’s close to) after an amicable breakup.
• Both hostesses agree it's fine, recommend checking with the ex first for comfort, and highlight the importance of boundaries.
• Extended discussion on how they’d feel if a romantic partner’s ex was still integrated into family events.

Nicole [59:46]: "If she looked like me, I would spiral. But if she looked nothing like me...I think I'd be okay with it."

14. Managing Team Dynamics as a New (Shy) Manager

[62:23 – 65:36]

• An anonymous listener seeks advice on navigating social expectations as a reserved new manager, especially with a close friend on the team.
• Nicole and Sasheer suggest honest conversations, seeking mentorship from the former manager, and building one-on-one relationships rather than forced group settings.
• Light commentary on corporate culture and the bewildering logistics of office jobs.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Nicole [13:39]: “Walking on water—that’s fucking cool. If you saw that, do you think you would freak out or be like, that’s my friend?”
• Sasheer [24:19]: “I also wonder if seeing [dystopian kids-killing-kids movies] is desensitizing us to kids dying.”
• Nicole [17:18]: "People be risking their lives to look like ants."
• Nicole [37:31]: "We’re losing character, we're losing—everything is becoming so homogenous."
• Nicole [59:46]: "If she looked like me, I would spiral. But if she looked nothing like me...I think I'd be okay with it."
• Nicole [47:10]: “That weekend’s toast. The next is the next Friday. That’s the next weekend. And then in two weekends is the weekend after next.”

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [03:10] — Sasheer’s thrift store adventure and termite fears
• [06:43] — The earliest house builders and how history tracks time
• [13:47] — Car seat preferences and bodies of all shapes
• [17:01] — Dangers and issues of BBL surgery (“BBL smell”)
• [18:23] — Aliens and the challenge of leaving Earth’s comforts
• [22:09] — Stephen King’s dystopian visions and The Long Walk
• [24:19] — Hunger Games as dystopian commentary
• [34:47] — Millennials’ lack of heirlooms and toy nostalgia
• [37:31] — Critiquing modern home makeovers and lost architectural charm
• [57:05] — Listener advice: Friendships with ex’s families
• [62:23] — Listener advice: Management and personal boundaries

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Tone & Language

Nicole and Sasheer keep the tone casual, irreverent, and earnestly curious. Their exchanges are peppered with self-aware jokes, mutual support, and a willingness to admit when they don’t know something—making tangents feel both relatable and laugh-out-loud funny for listeners.

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Summary

This episode covers a vast and hilarious range—furniture shopping, BBL woes, sci-fi hypotheticals, historical rabbit holes, pop culture, and navigation of tricky social territory. The throughline is the natural, unfiltered friendship between Nicole and Sasheer, who manage to be both deeply silly and sneakily insightful. Whether dissecting The Hunger Games or social etiquette, their laughter and warmth make the journey as fun as the destinations.

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Transcript

[Ali Khan]

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[Mae Martin]

And I'm Mae Martin.

[Fortune Feimster]

And I'm Fortune Feimster, also from the Handsome Podcast. And we wanted to let you know that we made a very fun special episode of our show sponsored by Squarespace, that's up now on our YouTube page for you to watch.

[Mae Martin]

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[Fortune Feimster]

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[Nicole]

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[Mae Martin]

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[Fortune Feimster]

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[Nicole]

See you at the Grammys.

[Fortune Feimster]

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[Sasheer]

For sure.

[Mae Martin]

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[Beck Bennett]

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[Kyle Mooney]

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[Beck Bennett]

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[Kyle Mooney]

It's only Kyle Mooney.

[Beck Bennett]

Yes, sorry about that.

[Sasheer]

Exactly.

[Beck Bennett]

No, all good. All good.

[Sasheer]

Thanks, buddy.

[Kyle Mooney]

Yeah.

[Beck Bennett]

And we host the show. What's our podcast here on Headgum.

[Sasheer]

But.

[Kyle Mooney]

But we want to make sure you heard about a very special episode with a very special guest that we just released. In the feed.

[Beck Bennett]

Yeah, it's in the feed. It was sponsored by Squarespace because they were appalled. They were. That we didn't have a website for our show yet. They were like, you don't have a website?

[Kyle Mooney]

What are you guys, like kindergarteners?

[Beck Bennett]

They wanted to do something about that. So we built a flawless, beautiful, perfectly designed website live on the pod with our very special guest and very web savvy guest. Should we tell them who it was?

[Kyle Mooney]

We could buy 20 questions.

[Beck Bennett]

I don't think we have time for that.

[Kyle Mooney]

Is it Person?

[Beck Bennett]

No, it's not.

[Kyle Mooney]

It's Finn Wolfhard. But Finn had a bunch of great ideas for the website. Beck, you had some amazing ideas for the website.

[Beck Bennett]

Thanks.

[Kyle Mooney]

Ben.

[Beck Bennett]

You had some amazing ideas.

[Kyle Mooney]

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[Beck Bennett]

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[Kyle Mooney]

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[Beck Bennett]

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[Kyle Mooney]

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[Beck Bennett]

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[Kyle Mooney]

Thanks to Squarespace for making us build a website sponsoring the episode and for supporting creators across the headgum network.

[Beck Bennett]

Go check out the bonus episode. What's our website from? What's our podcast on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts.

[Kyle Mooney]

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[Beck Bennett]

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[Kyle Mooney]

To save 10% off your first purchase.

[Nicole]

Of a website automate. Get it Kyle. Hello, Sasheer. Hi, Nicole.

[Sasheer]

Hi.

[Nicole]

How are you? I'm good.

[Sasheer]

Yesterday I went to a thrift store. Oh, to donate some stuff.

[Nicole]

Yes.

[Sasheer]

And then I wanted to also look for a cabinet dresser situation to put in my office to store stuff.

[Nicole]

Sure.

[Sasheer]

Got a lot of self tape stuff like lights and stands. Yeah.

[Nicole]

You got a whole studio now.

[Sasheer]

A whole studio now. And another things that I don't know where to put. And I had 40 minutes before the store closed and I was like, I'm going to zip around, see if I can find anything. And I found something that fit the exact measurements of what I needed.

[Nicole]

Well, well, well. Let's see a picture.

[Sasheer]

Oh, I just. Over there. I. I'll show you later, cuz.

[Nicole]

What are we going to do?

[Sasheer]

Put it on the.

[Nicole]

No, you're right, you're right. Show me offline.

[Sasheer]

I'll show you offline. But it's cute. And it's just like, you know, drawers and open, open.

[Nicole]

It's a cabinet.

[Sasheer]

It's cool.

[Nicole]

There's drawers, the open, there's doors.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. And I told my girlfriend and she was like, well, you gotta be careful about the wood that you bring into the house. Because termites like certain types of wood. And I was like, don't bring that energy in here. Excuse me.

[Nicole]

I agree. Don't. No, there's no termites.

[Sasheer]

There's no termite. I just had turn my problem. Hopefully it's resolved. I haven't seen anything since. But they weren't in the house. Well, they were under the house. Coming up. Up to the house. Yeah.

[Nicole]

Trying to usurp your house.

[Sasheer]

I know, but they never got the furniture, which is great because I have so much wood in my home.

[Nicole]

But I also.

[Sasheer]

Most of my stuff is secondhand, and I've never had an issue. Knock on something.

[Nicole]

Knock on wood. Yeah. Knock on the wood.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Well, I feel like if there was termites in it, it would be, like, so degraded that you would be able to tell, like.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

You know, if they were, like, in it and it's an old thing and they've been living, they'd probably been munching also.

[Sasheer]

I feel like if some. Something's. If a store is reselling it, wouldn't they check it before they put it on the floor?

[Nicole]

I don't think so, but I don't think it has termites.

[Sasheer]

I don't think it has termites either.

[Nicole]

I think if they're eating up your furniture, your problem's pretty bad. And I don't think you're donating things. I think you're dealing with your house falling apart. Like, I think walls are caving in. If they're eating your dressers, they're hungry. There's no more wood for them.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. Because they start, I feel like, with the. The house.

[Nicole]

Yes.

[Sasheer]

Before they get to the furniture. Yeah. I think it's fine.

[Nicole]

And we've talked about it before, but I truly think it's wild that we build houses out of wood. It's really d. They burn up. Bugs eat them. Metal.

[Sasheer]

But didn't we. I feel like we saw a video that explained why. Or because it's, like, faster and cheaper than cement or metal or whatever.

[Nicole]

Maybe. But I know in Florida, I think they do, like, cement houses or something like that.

[Sasheer]

That's ideal.

[Nicole]

I don't know. I was watching a show called Hundred Day Home where they build you a home in 100 days. Oh, and they don't.

[Sasheer]

They.

[Nicole]

I've never seen wood framing in anything they put up.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, we gotta get rid of that.

[Nicole]

We gotta move on. I think we've moved on as a society. We don't need wood houses.

[Sasheer]

No.

[Nicole]

Maybe we do. Maybe there is a reason. I don't know.

[Sasheer]

I think it really is just, like, you can make it fast and.

[Nicole]

Well, 100 day home, they're building whole houses in a hundred days.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

With cement, I believe. With cement.

[Sasheer]

Okay. Which, I mean, I guess I don't know how much anything costs. I don't know how much cement costs or lumber. But I feel like that quote, how.

[Nicole]

Much is a banana, Michael? $10?

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Sometimes I do feel like that. Yeah. I don't know how much lumber would cost for structuring a house. Probably a lot of money.

[Sasheer]

I don't know. But I feel like cement feels comparable because it's just like a bunch of goop. Yeah.

[Nicole]

It's mud that hardens up.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. It's not like you have to cut a tree down to make this thing.

[Nicole]

No. How do we make cement? Do we grind up rocks and put them with water?

[Sasheer]

Is some sort of powder that you mix with water? I think.

[Nicole]

Cement powder.

[Sasheer]

Mm.

[Nicole]

Mm. Well, we're not contractors. That's not our trade. Simply as not. We don't know.

[Sasheer]

I don't know.

[Nicole]

But it truly is wild when you see like a house taken to the studs and then the people building it know where everything's going. That sounded so dumb coming out of my mouth, but do you know what I mean? It's like there's just sticks up and they're like. And a kitchen's going over here. And I'm like, how?

[Sasheer]

What? You can see that.

[Nicole]

You can see that a kitchen's going to go here. Then they spray paint lines. I'm like a wall. And you're like, what? It's crazy.

[Sasheer]

It's crazy.

[Nicole]

Building's crazy.

[Sasheer]

It's crazy. Thank goodness people know how to do it.

[Nicole]

I know. Who do you think I was gonna say, who do you think the first person to build a house was? We don't know.

[Sasheer]

No.

[Nicole]

Maybe the Mesopotamians. Uh.

[Sasheer]

Oh, Mesopotamians.

[Nicole]

Mesopotamians.

[Sasheer]

Mm.

[Nicole]

Those are a people.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Mesopotamians.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Maybe they built the first house. Maybe. Ali, can you Google who built the first house?

[Ali Khan]

The first people to build permanent modern style houses were early farmers in the Middle east, around 11,000 thousand years ago in modern day Turkey. And before this, early humans built temporary shelters from materials like sticks and animal skins. And evidence of the earliest known man made shelters, though very primitive, dates back to up to 1.8 million years ago.

[Nicole]

Wow. Turkey's been innovating for a long time, building houses and hair for men. They're pioneers. They are pioneers when they put their minds to it. They say, we're going to do it.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

That's so wild that for a long time people just kept moving. But I guess it was like you move with the elements.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, I think so.

[Nicole]

When it's too cold, you get out.

[Sasheer]

And like the food. Like, are you also following where the animals are going?

[Nicole]

Oh, probably following the bulls. The bulls, the bull cows, the chickens. They're clucking clucking down south Gotta follow em.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, definitely.

[Nicole]

I. The way we do years in history is confusing.

[Sasheer]

Yes.

[Nicole]

BC AD Think that now. I think now. Now is different than 80, I think. Are we in A.D. i feel like.

[Sasheer]

We'Re still in 80.

[Nicole]

Like, I don't understand why we don't have, like, the year one.

[Ali Khan]

Technically, we're still in A.D. oh, okay.

[Sasheer]

There was a year one, I think one B.C.

[Nicole]

And then there's A.

[Sasheer]

Is there a one A.D. i think so. And I don't know why.

[Nicole]

Because Christ. BC Is before Christ.

[Sasheer]

That's true.

[Nicole]

AD Is after death.

[Sasheer]

I think so. Which is also wild that we're like, yeah, we can. We can delineate time that way.

[Nicole]

Imagine being that important, having so many people be obsessed with you even after you're dead.

[Sasheer]

Time changed.

[Nicole]

That's crazy.

[Sasheer]

This person died, right?

[Nicole]

Just this dude. Jesus.

[Sasheer]

Just this dude.

[Nicole]

And we name time after him. Many religions are based on him.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

It's crazy.

[Sasheer]

Crazy.

[Nicole]

I hope when I die, it's, oh, A.D. it would be after death. It's after every death. After Nicole.

[Sasheer]

After Nicole. Mm.

[Nicole]

Yeah. What can I do to make society cherish me?

[Sasheer]

Ooh, magic tricks.

[Nicole]

I mean, that's what Jesus did. That's what Jesus did.

[Sasheer]

Some really cool ones, though.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Turning wine into water. No, water into wine.

[Sasheer]

But if you turn wine into water.

[Nicole]

People will be like, can you leave this party? Like, this is boring now.

[Sasheer]

This sucks.

[Nicole]

I'm hydrated. Ew. Walking on water. That's fucking cool.

[Sasheer]

That's very cool.

[Nicole]

If you saw that, do you think he would, like, freak out or be like, that's a friend.

[Sasheer]

If you did it, or somebody else? Yeah.

[Nicole]

If I walked on water. If I was like, share. I can do a really cool thing. Do you want to see it? And you were like, yes. And I just, like, was skipping on the water, what would you do?

[Sasheer]

I'd be like, how'd you do it? And then I'd be like, I guess you're magic. And then I'd be like, show me more.

[Nicole]

You wouldn't be scared of me?

[Sasheer]

I wouldn't be scared of you? No.

[Nicole]

Oh, like, if you.

[Sasheer]

Like, if I've known you still, like.

[Nicole]

Yeah, Everything's been the same.

[Sasheer]

It's all of a sudden. You know how to walk on water?

[Nicole]

Tomorrow, Thursday. I can walk on water.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, you're chill. I'm not chill. I am like, what the. But I think I still believe you're my friend because you're not gonna use this power against me.

[Nicole]

How would I use Walking on water against you.

[Sasheer]

Exactly. So why would I be scared?

[Nicole]

Oh, it's a good way to think about it. I would tell my therapist, I'd be like, I think I'm a little scared. And she'd probably talk me down and be like, well, she can't hurt you by walking on water.

[Sasheer]

Bathing. It could be a benefit.

[Nicole]

Yeah. And then what did he do? He turned loaves efficient to bread. What? I'm saying things very poorly.

[Sasheer]

I think it was like me broke bread, like one loaf of bread into a bunch of pieces so everyone could eat. And did the same thing happen with fish? Maybe.

[Nicole]

Maybe. What else did he do? Oh, and he, like, brought people back to life. He's pretty scary.

[Sasheer]

That is actually pretty scary.

[Nicole]

Right.

[Sasheer]

I can see why they were like, kill him.

[Nicole]

Kill. Get him. Oh, I thought about. Okay, so on the way here, I. In my Jeep, since it's a two door, I have to like push the seat forward to put things in the back seat. And then whenever I put it back, it's never perfect. I have to like reconfigure it again. And people sometimes make fun of me because I sit up very straight when I drive. But I tried leaning back and I'm like, doesn't everyone's back hurt leaning back like that?

[Sasheer]

My back actually hurts sitting straight up. I actually need a deep lean. And I don't know if it's because my torso is short and my legs are so long.

[Nicole]

Oh.

[Sasheer]

But anytime anyone sits in the driver's seat, they're like, damn, you are leaning back. But I have to.

[Nicole]

And I think I have to sit forward. Yeah. My friend's husband saw me driving and he made fun of me so hard. He was like, you drive like that on the steering wheel. I also had my hood up. I was a little hungover and I was driving like that, but I was like, but that's how I'm comfortable. Because when I lean back, my back then is arched. Cause my butt's big. Yeah, but you have a big butt too.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, I do have an arch, but for some reason, sitting up straight doesn't help it.

[Nicole]

Hmm.

[Sasheer]

I don't know.

[Nicole]

I guess bodies are different.

[Sasheer]

Bodies are different.

[Nicole]

Bodies are crazy different.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

You ever see somebody. This is really mean, but have you ever seen someone and you're like, whoa, that's the most different built I've ever seen. And you're like, how, how do you support everything that's happening? Like when people. Really tiny legs. I'm like, whoa, yeah. Aren't you afraid you're Gonna break them twigs.

[Sasheer]

I've seen it recently. There was a woman I remember because I know.

[Nicole]

I was like, whoa.

[Sasheer]

She had, like, really stick thin legs and just, like really wide hips. But I don't think it was enhanced. I don't think this was artificial. I think it was real. And I was like, how does this not.

[Nicole]

Do we see that together?

[Sasheer]

Oh, no, this is over the holidays.

[Nicole]

No, it was over the holidays.

[Sasheer]

You were not there.

[Nicole]

No, I did not get to see that lady. I went to my first and only Dodgers game.

[Sasheer]

Okay.

[Nicole]

And I saw a lady with a surgery body.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

She looked like an ant. Her butt was so big. And my query to the BBL divas of the world is, why aren't you getting thighs to match your butt?

[Sasheer]

Yeah. Do they not have a, you know. Yeah.

[Nicole]

Like an add on plan?

[Sasheer]

Yeah. It's like, just continue.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Because she really looked like a pea.

[Sasheer]

Mm.

[Nicole]

And then her boobs were so big. So it was just a P and then another P. Yeah.

[Sasheer]

Or an S. Like.

[Nicole]

Yeah. She could have been an S. Yeah. Maybe.

[Sasheer]

I wonder for the healing process, you need, like, something that's not healing to sit on. But if you're sitting, you're sitting on your butt anyway.

[Nicole]

But I feel like when you're healing a bbl, you can't sit on it.

[Sasheer]

That's true.

[Nicole]

You have to, like, be on your knees. Your knees and your stomach a lot.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Bbls are crazy.

[Sasheer]

But yeah, I guess if it's like. If you're not sitting anyway, just get your thighs done. Yeah.

[Nicole]

It's so funny to me.

[Sasheer]

Did you see that documentary that was Vivica Fox did. Or someone did a. A BBL documentary. No, about the stories. The harrowing stories from it.

[Nicole]

Well, it's the. You. It's the plastic surgery that you're most likely to die from.

[Sasheer]

Oh, my God.

[Nicole]

Isn't that crazy? Oh, no. People be risking their lives to look like ants.

[Sasheer]

That really sucks.

[Nicole]

Isn't that crazy?

[Sasheer]

That's crazy.

[Nicole]

Just have a big, nasty bottom.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And sometimes the BBL doesn't heal properly. So your butt be stanking.

[Sasheer]

Oh, no. What stinks about it?

[Nicole]

It's called the BBL smell.

[Sasheer]

Like, is there like a chemical in there or.

[Nicole]

I think it's necrosis of your body.

[Sasheer]

Because it's dead.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Dead flesh or like, like things. I think it's when the fat doesn't take, the fat then dies.

[Sasheer]

Oh, God.

[Nicole]

Isn't that wild? That is wild. People be walking around like ants with dead butts. With zombie butts. Huh?

[Sasheer]

No.

[Nicole]

Truly being an alien and arriving here, I would truly be like, what the. What are they doing?

[Sasheer]

What are you doing? Yeah.

[Nicole]

Isn't that wild?

[Sasheer]

That is wild.

[Nicole]

If an alien came.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And was like, hey, do you want to come with me? I won't bring you back. And I can't give you a preview of. Of the new planet because our whip wops don't work here. That's their phone and their whips. Would you go?

[Sasheer]

No.

[Nicole]

Oh, no.

[Sasheer]

I guess. I mean, this place got. Has a lot of issues. Are they telling me anything about where they're. Where we're going?

[Nicole]

Their whip wops don't work. And they're like. And we can't describe it. We don't have the language to describe it to you in a way you'll understand.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

But I can tell you it's beautiful.

[Sasheer]

Here's the thing. I'm a creature of habit, and I like what I like. I like the places that I like to eat. I like the friends I like to see, like doing activities I like to do. If none of that is where the whip wops are, I want to go.

[Nicole]

The whip wop is the phone.

[Sasheer]

Oh, my God. So sorry.

[Nicole]

I didn't tell you the species name.

[Sasheer]

What species are they?

[Nicole]

Nearly.

[Sasheer]

Got it.

[Nicole]

A lot of their languages sound.

[Sasheer]

Well, you would love it.

[Nicole]

Sounds like, yeah, I think I would have a good time. I think I would go as long as I could tell people that I was leaving. Okay. I don't want to, like, ghost Earth. I don't want to, like, you know, have my friends be like, where is she? Like, I want to tell people I'm going with the yerps. They have a whip whop. I want to see work. But I also am a creature of habit. But I'm also a creature of, like, maybe this will be exciting.

[Sasheer]

I'm down for exciting things, but I.

[Nicole]

Want to come home.

[Sasheer]

I want to, like, return from it. I don't want it to be like, this is an exciting thing for the rest of my life and that I can't change it, you know?

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sasheer]

I'd be so sad if you left.

[Nicole]

Oh, I'll stay.

[Sasheer]

Yes.

[Nicole]

So glad we worked through that hypothetical. I was thinking about aliens because I watched. Jesus Christ. I cannot remember the name of this movie. It's like the Great Four. Oh, the Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer is this alien, but they never explain why she's a surfer. They explain how they, like, she gets silver because this big monster man with horns makes her silver. But at no point did they explain why? Her mode of transportation is a surfboard.

[Sasheer]

It's a good point, but wasn't she from like a water planet or something?

[Fortune Feimster]

Oh.

[Sasheer]

Which we also only saw for like a hot second, but. So maybe they. Maybe on the planet they all surfed.

[Nicole]

Maybe. Maybe that's how they got around.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And then it was really funny because they show the Silver Surfer before she becomes a silver Surfer. And her hair is so high, and then the silver flattened it down. Yeah. And I was like, that's funny. That's just a really funny choice.

[Ali Khan]

Slick.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

But, like, I guess the silver's a little heavy on her, which tracks Silver's.

[Sasheer]

So it was heavy. Yeah. Mm.

[Nicole]

Yeah. That movie left me with so many questions. Did the Rock man ever see Natasha Lyonne again? Yes. Oh, he did? Yeah.

[Sasheer]

It was at the end of the movie. Pretty sure. Yeah. I thought so maybe. It's been a while since I've seen it.

[Nicole]

I was on a plane.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

So I don't know if I was focused actually paying attention to it. And then I watched the Long Walk. Oh, yeah.

[Sasheer]

That one looks crazy brutal. Yeah.

[Nicole]

My God.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I mean, the trailer gives you the premise.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Gather. The boys, have them go on a walk.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

When they stop walking above a 3.0, they get shot.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And 3.0, not that fast. That's like a pace of a. Like a. A normal walk.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

You'll do a mile in 20 minutes. That's too fast for me. I could not keep that up. I would get shot within minutes.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. There. I think some gyms had a thing where they had, like treadmill rooms and you. And they played that movie and you had to walk at the same pace as long as they were walking. Dang.

[Nicole]

It's a two hour movie. A walk for two hours.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

It was a. It truly was so wild. But then they made friends along the way.

[Sasheer]

Oh, okay.

[Nicole]

They were helping. Helping each other out. And that was nice. Then some boys lost their dang minds and I was like, I'd lose my mind if I had to walk for two hours.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

But I guess in. In movie world, they're walking longer than two hours. But I only got to see two hours of it. Stephen King, I gotta say, the mind is sick. All these stories came out of that man's mind. Wild.

[Sasheer]

That's wild.

[Nicole]

And I think he's married.

[Sasheer]

You know, I actually don't know.

[Nicole]

I don't know either. Is Stephen King married?

[Ali Khan]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

He is wild. I would be so afraid that that mind would kill me at night. Think about all his stories. Cars that Talk. Christine.

[Sasheer]

Okay, right.

[Nicole]

The Shawshank Redemption. A man who escapes prison.

[Sasheer]

No, it's not scary, though.

[Nicole]

Yeah, but a lot of scary things happen to him in prison. It's a jolly good movie until, like, bad stuff happens to Tim Robbins. Cujo, a killer dog.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, yeah. It.

[Nicole]

A clown from the sewer killing the kids.

[Sasheer]

That sucks. Yeah.

[Nicole]

I'd be so mad. I would be so mad if I was living my good life.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Looked in a sewer that it clowns there coming to get me. Did he do Misery, too? That's a wild movie.

[Sasheer]

That's a wild movie, too. Do you think there's so many, like, dystopian stories where kids are dying? Like, they have to kill each other or something kills them. And I'm sure there's, like, a lesson that, you know, we, as a society supposed to learn from that. But I also wonder if seeing that is, like, desensitizing us to kids dying.

[Nicole]

Probably.

[Sasheer]

You know, because I don't think. Because then it doesn't feel as. As crazy. Because, like, oh, yeah, kids die, but which they do die, but there's not such an emphasis on, like. This is tragic.

[Nicole]

Yes.

[Sasheer]

Because in that world, that's what they do. Kids just fight each other and die.

[Nicole]

Well, I think it was Whitney Houston who said she believed that children are the future. Let them live and let them lead the way. So maybe in the dystopian future, they're like, that's true. We gotta kill the kids to keep them in line. Otherwise, I'll lead the lead, and they'll lead us away from these bad things that we're trying to do.

[Sasheer]

Oh, no. Whitney knew. She knew. That's why they got rid of her.

[Nicole]

I mean, the Hunger Games is crazy.

[Sasheer]

It is crazy.

[Nicole]

And then everyone in the Capitol just, like, watches. Do you think you'd be in the.

[Sasheer]

Capitol.

[Nicole]

Or do you think you'd be in a district?

[Sasheer]

I think I would have been raised in the district, and I would have fought my way to the capital.

[Nicole]

That's very, very funny. I would have been raised in a district and fought my way to the Capitol, probably. Yeah, I think I would, too. I think that's. Yeah.

[Sasheer]

We're fighters who win.

[Nicole]

Okay, so when you win the Hunger Games, what do you. You just win alive.

[Sasheer]

You win being alive.

[Nicole]

Do you get to go to the Capitol, or do you have to go back to your district?

[Ali Khan]

Okay, so it sucks if you win because you get. You get a house for your family, so you're out of poverty in your district, but then you have to go back to the Capitol. And then you serve as a mentor for the next. So you can never get out of it. Oh, and then you become like, the Woody Harrelson.

[Nicole]

Oh.

[Sasheer]

Dang, dang.

[Nicole]

My future being Woody Harrelson.

[Sasheer]

If I get.

[Nicole]

If I.

[Sasheer]

You seem crazy.

[Nicole]

If I'm volunteering as tribute. Yeah. That's tough.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Yeah. And then you just have to, like, coach them on how to kill the other children. Oh, my God. I hope the Hunger Games don't come to life.

[Sasheer]

I hope not either.

[Nicole]

I'd be so upset because then we'd have to, like, protest.

[Sasheer]

Don't kill the kids.

[Nicole]

Don't kill the kids. Let's not have a Hunger Game. We'd have to make signs.

[Sasheer]

Just give us food.

[Nicole]

Boy. Suzanne Collins. She knows how to write. She wrote the Hunger Games. Have you read the Hunger Games?

[Sasheer]

No.

[Nicole]

I think the movies are actually really, really good. And the books are even better. They're really good. Allie. Have you read them?

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Ali Khan]

They're so good.

[Nicole]

I. Them. So is the prequels. Are they books as well? Oh, read those, too. I better get back into my Suzanne Collins bag. Gotta read the morning Song of Humminbird. I don't know the name of the Song of Hummingbird. It's something.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Something about songbirds or whatever.

[Sasheer]

A lot of birds involved.

[Nicole]

Yeah. What's a movie that you. Is there, like, a. No. Movies about the future are all, like. It's bad.

[Sasheer]

Yes. That's true. Yeah.

[Nicole]

I've never seen a movie about the future. I was like, hey, we did okay.

[Sasheer]

We figured it out.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sasheer]

I guess there wouldn't be a movie then.

[Nicole]

Yeah. How does Wally end?

[Sasheer]

How does Wally end? He finds a little robot friend. They fall in love. He finds. Maybe he finds a plant on Earth. Oh, but then does Earth. I can't remember what happens to the people on that big old spaceship.

[Nicole]

Me either. The little fatty. Zooming around. Yeah, I don't remember either. You mentioned up in a different episode. Should we have a Pixar party? Yes. Where we watch all the Pixar movies.

[Sasheer]

Yes.

[Nicole]

Okay. That sounds like a nice time to me.

[Sasheer]

Yes.

[Nicole]

I'm excited for. I think It's Toy Story 4. Or 5. Which one's going to be 5?

[Sasheer]

Maybe 5.

[Nicole]

I'm excited.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, me too.

[Nicole]

Um, and I read that. I think maybe we. On this podcast, we looked it up, and, like, the iPad is the.

[Sasheer]

The enemy.

[Nicole]

The enemy. But then I read somewhere that the iPad's not like the, like, enemy enemy. It's just, like, a thing.

[Sasheer]

A new thing.

[Nicole]

Yeah. And okay, so my trainer's son is three. He's the cutest, and we train on Zoom and he'll like, come talk to me today. I showed him a bunch of toys and he went, she's got a lot of toys. And I was like, that feels like a read because I'm an adult. But I was like, do you know who Mr. Potato Head is? And he was like, yeah, from Toy Story. And I was like, that's crazy.

[Sasheer]

That is crazy. That. Yeah, that is a character on a movie as opposed to the toy.

[Nicole]

It rocked me in a way that I was like, whoa, I feel so old.

[Sasheer]

I know, But I guess I haven't seen a Mr. Potato Head in real life in a long time.

[Nicole]

Let's take a break and look for the Potato Head.

[Sasheer]

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[Nicole]

Never found a Potato Head? I have a Mr. Potato Head in real life.

[Sasheer]

Really?

[Nicole]

I. When I was decorating my office, I was like, I want all the toys from my childhood that I don't have anymore. Because when we sold my dad's house, we, like, just got rid of all of them and donated them. So I have Trolls, My little Ponies, Mary cherry muffin dolls, Mr. Potato Head, some fry kids, the Hamburglar. I think I got Elmos. Like, little figurines. Like, I don't have. Like, it's not huge. I got some Kathy. Kathy memorabilia. Yeah. I live like a child.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. I saw some headline that was saying.

[Nicole]

How.

[Sasheer]

Millennials aren't passing down heirlooms anymore. They're passing down just stuff. Like, everyone's just collecting, like, toys and stuff and. No, more like, oh, yes, this is a mirror from the 1700s. It's like, we don't have that.

[Nicole]

We have IKEA.

[Sasheer]

It's true.

[Nicole]

I'm not passing down a IKEA. Whatever. It's one and done. I mean, you probably have, like, heirlooms to pass down.

[Sasheer]

Hmm. I think I have a couple things from, like, my grandma, but mo. And all my stuff is old, but not from my. Not from your people, not from my lineage.

[Fortune Feimster]

Mm.

[Nicole]

Yeah. I Don't. I guess when my grandpa goes, I can have his sofa covered in plastic.

[Sasheer]

Mm. Are you gonna take the plastic off?

[Nicole]

Oh, never. That feels, like, disrespectful.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Because he's 97, and that plastic has been on since I was a child.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And for me to take it, who am I. Who am I to sit on.

[Sasheer]

The fabric also immediately disintegrates as soon as it touches the air.

[Nicole]

I mean, honestly, probably.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

He also has this. This painting. It's a velvet painting, and it's huge. And then you plug it in and it lights up.

[Sasheer]

That's fun.

[Nicole]

It's wild. And I. Every time I plug it in, I laugh and laugh and laugh.

[Sasheer]

That's fun.

[Nicole]

And he's got some good lamps.

[Sasheer]

Okay. Nice.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Those will be my heirlooms. Lamps.

[Sasheer]

Great lamps. Great lamps.

[Nicole]

Great. Yeah. I don't have anything of real value.

[Fortune Feimster]

Just.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

A lot of toys. I also read that, like, Millennial Gray happened because of, like, the 90s being so kitschy and stuff. I was like, that bums me out.

[Sasheer]

That's a bummer.

[Nicole]

I feel like Millennial Gray came about because of social media and people being like, look at this clean aesthetic.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. I don't like it.

[Nicole]

Me either. And everyone's like, yeah, I'd like to live in a doctor's office. Have you seen what they did to the Home Alone house?

[Sasheer]

I haven't. So sad.

[Nicole]

Did you see what they did to the Family Matters house?

[Sasheer]

No.

[Nicole]

Girl, get ready to be upset.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Ally, hit it.

[Sasheer]

This day and age to read any.

[Nicole]

Good news on the Newspaper Days page. Look at that. Oh, that's the original house.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And look what they did. It looks like a prison.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. Why would they make it so straight? So cute.

[Nicole]

I don't. Ugh. Look at it. It's so cold.

[Sasheer]

This is like, why just buy a house? It's already looks like that. Why do you have to. And they left a. Well, that's actually. Oh, I'm mad.

[Nicole]

They left a. A plaque.

[Sasheer]

This is Family Matters. But you made the house look so different.

[Nicole]

Why would you even.

[Sasheer]

Don't even.

[Nicole]

Don't tell me.

[Sasheer]

Don't tell me. This used to be the Family Matters house. If you made it look so different.

[Nicole]

Yikes. That's wild. And look at the other houses on this street. Yeah, I. I just.

[Sasheer]

Just buy a different house.

[Nicole]

Buy a different house. Buy a plot of land.

[Sasheer]

Build your own.

[Fortune Feimster]

Build your own nasty house.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I feel like when people renovate and change, like, the facade of how, like, we're losing History. We're losing, like, the estate. Like, houses in Chicago, I think, have such a fun esthetic, and we're just, like, root. Like, I love those houses. Like, they're so fun.

[Sasheer]

There's character there.

[Fortune Feimster]

Yes.

[Nicole]

We're losing character. We're losing, like, everything is becoming so homogenous.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. Like, we're never going to, like, 30 years from now, they're not going to be like, wow, look at those straight lines. Ooh, it's so smooth and straight. I love that. I love how gray it is.

[Nicole]

I look past white, stark and gray. Yum, yum, yum. I also know that straight lines are cheaper than curved things. And there's, like, you know, people who did that work that, like, have died off and, like, nobody's doing the work anymore. And it's just such a bummer.

[Sasheer]

Such a bummer.

[Nicole]

Ugh. And then I read that people are building houses, putting down. What is it? L. LVP like, not actual wood, like vinyl that looks like wood, but leaving the subfloor and just putting carpets over it to save money. Like putting a rug over the subfloor and not doing your whole house. Oh, everyone's cutting corners. Yee. Not Dave Thomas. Who? Save Thomas, the founder of Wendy's. That's why the burgers are square. What? How did we get here? I said cut corners, and it reminded me of Wendy's.

[Sasheer]

Oh, okay, man. Okay. I usually can follow you, but you skipped a few steps for me.

[Nicole]

I'm so sorry. I feel like I really shook you.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Worse than if I walked on water.

[Sasheer]

Yes, that, like. Well, that's cool.

[Nicole]

Tuesday, Thomas. Yeah, that's why the burgers are square.

[Sasheer]

Wait, why are the burgers square?

[Nicole]

Because he doesn't cut corners.

[Sasheer]

Got it. That's fun. That's fun. I actually like that.

[Nicole]

I'm so sorry I shook you so hard. Oh, man.

[Sasheer]

Just. It just took me a minute to catch up.

[Nicole]

I mean, if you're shook, imagine being in this brain.

[Sasheer]

But are you ever surprised by yourself?

[Nicole]

Yeah. Sometimes I'll make a noise and be like, whoa. Didn't know I could do that. Or I'll look at a picture of myself and be like, oh, what? Why do I look like that?

[Sasheer]

What do you mean?

[Nicole]

I took a picture the other day, and I was so hunched over, and I thought I was standing up straight.

[Sasheer]

Oh, no.

[Nicole]

And I look crazy hunched. Like.

[Sasheer]

Were you posing?

[Nicole]

Yes.

[Sasheer]

Or was it candid?

[Nicole]

No, no, I was posing, but there's no rhyme or reason as to why I posed like that.

[Sasheer]

Was someone next to you who was shorter?

[Nicole]

No.

[Sasheer]

This is the pose.

[Nicole]

You're just like. I was posing next to, like, a statue that was taller than me, and I went like this next to it. There's like. Sometimes I do things that I'm like, why?

[Sasheer]

Well, one of my favorite photos of you is you were at a college doing a show. Someone took a picture of you backstage, stage.

[Nicole]

And you're like, all your extremities were so limp. Like, look like your legs were not moving, and your arms were just hanging down. And you're like, somehow your face was activated.

[Sasheer]

You were smiling, but everything else was just loose. I was like, what happened here?

[Nicole]

I don't know if I posted it or if I showed it to you.

[Sasheer]

You show it to me.

[Nicole]

I was like, why do I look like this? I showed it to my friend Nick, and he just said, no, bones. And then he printed out the picture, and it's next to his guest bed. That's really funny, but it's photoshopped with clouds around him going to heaven. And every now and again, he'll send the picture to me and say, no, bones. Yeah, I truly like.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Which I'm sure before the photo, you.

[Sasheer]

Were, like, talking probably, like, picking things up, and they were like, oh, say cheese. And you're, like, Flopped, deactivated.

[Nicole]

I don't know. I. I don't know why I did that. Oh, boy. That was like the time when we went to a dinner and the serving utensils were so big and they were trying to put the food down. I went, oh, big spoon. And then I grabbed the spoon and immediately started posing for a picture. And you're like, it's a video. And then I start crying. Oh, my God. Yeah. There's no. I'm surprised constantly by things that I do.

[Sasheer]

That's great, though.

[Nicole]

Is it? Are you surprised by things that you do? You seem to be fully in control of your body and self. I do feel pretty in control. Yeah.

[Sasheer]

I don't think. I can't think of a time I've been like, whoa, can't believe I did that or said that. Sometimes I've said things where I'm like, whoa. But only because I hurt someone's feelings or like, oh, I didn't mean to be that mean.

[Nicole]

Whoopsies. I had a flight that was delayed, and we had to rescan our boarding passes when we got off, and I went, scan. What? And she was like, your boarding pass? I was like, well, I don't know where it is. And she was like, let me see it. And I Went, hey, I'm really sorry. And she went, it's fine. I was like, no, no. That was, like, really rude and it's not your fault. And she went, hey, thank you. Aww. Because I truly was like.

[Sasheer]

That'S good.

[Nicole]

Though it did surprise me how angry I was also. I was surprised when we were in Hawaii and I wanted that bucket of soft serve and she wouldn't give me the bucke. Yeah, that was surprising for me, too. I threw a fit. That surprised me. I was like, that's crazy.

[Sasheer]

You were just begging for scraps.

[Nicole]

Yeah. They were emptying the machine out to clean it, and I said, give me the ice cream that you are cleaning out from the machine.

[Sasheer]

They're like, we legally can't do that.

[Nicole]

Give me that bucket. That surprised me when I said, give me the bucket. They're like, no, we're doing this for you. Just wait. Yeah. I'm constantly surprising myself.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Yeah. It's wild being in this body. Sometimes on stage, I'll surprise myself and. Oh, I wish I could remember what I said, but I said something pretty quick off of, like, something an audience member said. And then I laughed and laughed and I went, wow, I've never said that sentence before. Like, I'll just straight up tell you that was funny. Right?

[Sasheer]

Can you believe I said that?

[Nicole]

Me, the comedian, you. To see what's funny. Can you believe it?

[Sasheer]

They're like, huh? I trusted her.

[Nicole]

And then I did one show in Boston where my ADHD medicine had, like, worn off, and I had, like, two drinks before getting on stage, and I kept, like, doing this weird little dance, and I kept going, woohoo. I'm having a good time. And then finally I was like, are you.

[Sasheer]

How are you guys doing?

[Nicole]

Or do you like this? And they were like, yes, great.

[Sasheer]

I mean, if you're having a good time, chances are the audience is, too.

[Nicole]

Yeah. One could. One could only hope, I hope.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Hey, I think we should do something.

[Sasheer]

Okay.

[Nicole]

We should take a break.

[Sasheer]

Oh, thanks.

[Nicole]

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[Sasheer]

Okay. Nice.

[Nicole]

I really like this shirt.

[Sasheer]

Thank you.

[Nicole]

Is it new?

[Sasheer]

No, it's not.

[Nicole]

Thank you. No, it's not. It's not. I've never seen it before.

[Sasheer]

That can't be true. I've had for a really long Time, but I haven't worn it in a really long time. I'm trying to do that more.

[Nicole]

I'm also trying to do that. And you and a couple other friends are coming over. We had a great debate over what, like, what next weekend means.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Because this was the first week of. It was the first Sunday of December, and someone was like, next weekend. And then one of our friends, Tess, was confused about what what next weekend meant.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. Because I think she said, next weekend, but I didn't know what she meant because we were talking on a Sunday. The day was Sunday. We were texting, and she's like, next weekend. And I was like, I'm free. Not this coming weekend, but the next weekend. And then I put parentheses, like, before 14. And then she was like, wait, do you think that this coming weekend is not next weekend? Because this weekend is this weekend.

[Nicole]

But it was Sunday. That weekend's toast. It's not the weekend anymore.

[Sasheer]

That's how I feel.

[Nicole]

So the next is the next Friday. That's the next weekend. And then in two weekends is the weekend after next. There was so much back and forth that I just said, hey, we're all right. And then it continued. And then I was unable to answer any more text messages from that thread.

[Sasheer]

Unable to.

[Nicole]

I just simply was like, I can't put the brain power to this.

[Sasheer]

Oh, I understand.

[Nicole]

And then there was, like, a Christmas thing that I was like, wait, is this two separate things? Because I. There was, like, two different screenshots, and then they were like, no, it's the same one. I was like, well, why? Why did I get two different screenshots for the same thing? And then I just said, I can't. I just can't. Sometimes my brain just gets really overwhelmed, and I simply can't do it.

[Sasheer]

Group text can be overwhelming, especially everyone's doing at the same time. It's like, wait, I missed something, like, six texts to go because I didn't look at the site or I didn't click the link yet, and I don't know what we're talking about.

[Nicole]

That's. Yes, I think that's what it was.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And then when I clicked the link, I was like, but that looks like the same as the screenshot. So I didn't have to click the link. Oh, Lord. Yeah, because I'm trying to do more holiday stuff.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, me too.

[Nicole]

Trying to get in the spirit. I almost just said I was trying to. Shiver me timbers. And I was like, that doesn't make no sense. Don't say that. I'M trying to shiver me timbers this Christmas.

[Sasheer]

Who says that? Pirates.

[Nicole]

Shivering me timbers, I think.

[Sasheer]

Does that mean. Okay, I don't know what it means, but I'm guessing is timber. Their wooden leg. And they're so scared that it's shivering is shiver me timbers. They're shaking in their boots. They're shaking in their peg leg.

[Nicole]

Maybe. Maybe. It sounds good. I was gonna be like, maybe it's someone from New York who's shaken in their timbs.

[Sasheer]

But the. The phrase definitely existed before this.

[Nicole]

Yes. Way before.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I wonder. Allie, hit it.

[Ali Khan]

The phrase is rooted in nautical slang where timbers refers to the wooden frames of the ship and shiver means to vibrate or shatter, which we know.

[Sasheer]

So if you.

[Ali Khan]

What's the fear that a sailor would feel if a ship was battered so hard by waves that its timbers violently shake?

[Nicole]

What?

[Sasheer]

Okay.

[Nicole]

Being a sailor is kind of wild. Like, back in the day with no phones.

[Sasheer]

Like navigating, you mean? Yeah.

[Nicole]

How did they navigate? 1, 2. My husband's a sailor. I don't know when he's coming back.

[Sasheer]

That does suck, right? You're like, I guess I'll just see you, I hope, in a couple weeks, months, years. And I don't even know if you're coming home.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sasheer]

You could die. And how will I get the. The message?

[Nicole]

You'll never know.

[Sasheer]

The ship could just sink.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sasheer]

How would they re. They don't have radios.

[Nicole]

No.

[Sasheer]

That's wild.

[Nicole]

It is wild, huh? Is that why they keep saying that people, like, discovered countries where there was people living because they didn't have navigation?

[Sasheer]

Maybe.

[Nicole]

Because wasn't Columbus looking for India?

[Sasheer]

He was.

[Nicole]

He went the really, like, wrong way so far.

[Sasheer]

Like.

[Nicole]

Like, in such a up way. Yeah.

[Sasheer]

That's wild.

[Nicole]

That's wild that we celebrate that man.

[Sasheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Nicole]

Well, one. Because, like, he did a bunch of bad things.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

But if we literally put all of his bad aside, this man got lost and said, look what I discovered. And we said, good job. We have been congratulating men for mistakes for too long.

[Sasheer]

Talk about a participation trophy.

[Nicole]

Yeah. And so we should have laughed at him.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, but you loser.

[Nicole]

You said you were looking for India. Did that look like India?

[Sasheer]

You'll never say that again.

[Nicole]

Yeah. You're fucking landlocked.

[Sasheer]

Grounded, Ground his ass.

[Nicole]

Were you a land kid or a sky kid? I'll explain. So traveling just reminded me of, like, traveling.

[Sasheer]

So, like, when traveling remind you of traveling.

[Nicole]

Shut up. Talking about sailing reminded me of traveling. When you were a kid, did you take planes for, like, vacations or did you drive?

[Sasheer]

Mostly drove.

[Nicole]

You were a ground kid.

[Sasheer]

I was a grandkid.

[Nicole]

That's what I was. I was a ground kid.

[Sasheer]

Okay.

[Nicole]

Were you guys.

[Sasheer]

Ground kid?

[Ali Khan]

I wanted to be a mermaid. I think I was a water.

[Fortune Feimster]

No.

[Nicole]

How did you travel to go to vacation?

[Ali Khan]

Sorry.

[Sasheer]

That's not what you want to be.

[Nicole]

I want to be a whale.

[Ali Khan]

I was a. I was a fly kid.

[Nicole]

Oh, that's so cool. I was so jealous of the air kids because they would, like, fly to, like, Aruba and stuff. We couldn't drive to Aruba. I never got to go to Aruba.

[Sasheer]

I did. I was a fly kid. An air kid. After my parents split. And then I had to be sent on a plane to go visit my dad.

[Nicole]

You were an unaccompanied minor.

[Sasheer]

I was. I had a little note.

[Nicole]

Did they, like, pin it to you? Yes. What?

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

That's funny.

[Sasheer]

Which. Looking back, it's like, I'm a target now.

[Nicole]

Yes.

[Sasheer]

Don't tell people I'm unaccompanied.

[Nicole]

That is actually really wild.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Because I'd be like, I'm gonna scoop that one.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

That one doesn't have parents.

[Sasheer]

But I was never alone. Huh.

[Nicole]

I said, that one doesn't have parents. And then I put the addendum here.

[Sasheer]

Here with them.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sasheer]

But, yeah, I do feel like my parents left me with someone.

[Nicole]

Who.

[Sasheer]

An employee. And then that person led me to the gate, and then the flight attendant led me to my seat. So I never. I was never like.

[Nicole]

You were never like, where's. Where's 32B?

[Sasheer]

I wasn't, like, looking for anything. I was just, like, following adults.

[Nicole]

That's so wild to me.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

To be an unaccompanied minor. Because then you have to just sit next to a strange adult.

[Sasheer]

This is true.

[Nicole]

That must be overwhelming.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. But I don't really remember much. I don't remember talking to anybody. I think people were just being nice to me.

[Nicole]

I don't remember when I learned the airport. This is a strange sentence, but, like, I didn't really go to them as a kid. And then as an adult, I just started flying, and I feel like I didn't have questions. I was like. I knew what a gate was. Yeah.

[Sasheer]

I mean, everything. Yeah. Everything's numbered. Every. The information's on your ticket.

[Nicole]

I dated somebody.

[Sasheer]

Where?

[Nicole]

We were on the phone, and I was at the airport, and he's like.

[Sasheer]

What are you doing?

[Nicole]

I said, sitting at the gate. And he was like, what do you mean? Because he hadn't flown. I think at All. Or maybe he had flown once or twice, and he's like, is it a literal gate? And I was like, no, you have to know what a gate is.

[Sasheer]

They're in movies, right? Even if you haven't been to an airport, you've seen one in a movie.

[Nicole]

That's how I felt. I think you just wanted to be mad about something.

[Sasheer]

Yeah, probably. But there are people who haven't flown at all. And I guess. Yeah, I guess. If you haven't done it. I'm trying to think, what have I not done? Ever been in a submarine? I would not navigate that. Where do you get on? Where do you get a dock?

[Nicole]

Wait, that's. Oh, wait, I think you get on a ship and then the submarine is deployed from a ship. I have no idea. Because in Titanic, when. When Bill Paxton gets on the little submersible, I think it was because they had the old lady fly to a ship and she had all her suitcases and photos and stuff, and her daughter was like, that's my mom. And they were on a ship, and then they got in the little one. I think you have to get to the big ship for the little one, the little underwater guy.

[Sasheer]

Okay, but what if it's like a big submarine?

[Nicole]

Oh, like a navy one?

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I think that's. Big ship, bigger ship.

[Sasheer]

Really?

[Nicole]

I think you have to take a ship out to the middle of nowhere. I don't think you could drive a submarine from, like, the dock out. Yeah, but again, I don't know. I'm just. I'm speculating, making assumptions, taking big swings.

[Sasheer]

Allie, do you know it is possible.

[Ali Khan]

To drive a submarine from a dock, but it requires specific skills and a way to operate, the controls for steering and depth changes. It looks like, most commonly, it is like what we saw in the Titanic.

[Nicole]

Okay. Titanic has taught me so much.

[Sasheer]

I see.

[Nicole]

I love Titanic. It is such a good movie.

[Sasheer]

Great movie.

[Nicole]

I would love to see it in theaters again.

[Sasheer]

I'm sure they'll do a re release.

[Nicole]

I think I missed the titular anniversary.

[Sasheer]

Oh, no.

[Nicole]

Because it came out in 1993.

[Ali Khan]

97.

[Nicole]

Oh, 97.

[Sasheer]

It's coming up. It's coming up.

[Nicole]

I got two years in two release. I'm excited.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I'm gonna gather my girls, get the girls together, my girlfriends, and we're gonna go. It's such. I loved it. I think I saw it twice in theaters.

[Sasheer]

Nice.

[Nicole]

And it's long.

[Sasheer]

It's long. Was there an intermission or. No?

[Nicole]

No. On the vhs, there's an intermission because there's two VHS tapes.

[Sasheer]

Nice.

[Nicole]

So you can take your own intermission.

[Sasheer]

Choose when you want to leave.

[Nicole]

Oh, we should answer a question.

[Sasheer]

Let's do it.

[Nicole]

We really gab, gab, gab.

[Sasheer]

We were gabbing. My chest hurts.

[Nicole]

It's kind of hot in here.

[Sasheer]

It's hot in here, but I like it.

[Ali Khan]

This is from Dee hi. To my favorite podcast. Thank you for making me feel not so alone in my apartment while I attempt wild DIY furniture projects I saw on YouTube. I broke up with my boyfriend of three years last year and moved to a new city. The breakup was amicable, and I definitely knew I wouldn't want to be with him again, but his family is fun. I lost both my parents within the last decade, so I enjoyed the mom treatment from my ex's mother and aunt. Fast forward to now. His mom reaches out and offers to fly me out to visit her and the favorite aunt, and I'm going in two weeks. Is that weird? Am I one of those girls where the friend group should be like, the fuck is wrong with you? I don't know. Read me for filth. Love y'.

[Sasheer]

All. That's funny.

[Nicole]

Read me for filthy. I honestly don't think that's weird.

[Sasheer]

I don't think it's weird.

[Nicole]

I think it's nice.

[Sasheer]

Maybe, like, have a conversation with your ex and be like, does that make you uncomfortable?

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sasheer]

Because I love your family and it seems like they like me too, but I don't want to overstep any bounds. But if your ex is cool with it.

[Nicole]

Yeah, go hang out. Hang out. Have a surrogate family. Yeah. I think that's really nice because it's. They said that they ended amicably, so, like, there's no ill will towards each other.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And it's like, as long as, like, like, the mom isn't, like, bringing up how much she likes this one over the new one or whatever. Yeah. I would just bring it up with your ex and be like, hey, does this make you feel bad?

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

If it does, I can stop. But yeah, go. Go have a nice time.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. Because I'm sure, like, the mom probably also, like, doesn't want her to not be. Be around anymore. It's like, yeah, you're just a cool person.

[Nicole]

This hang out, I actually think it's really sweet.

[Sasheer]

I think it's sweet, too.

[Nicole]

I think it's nice when things don't work out, but you can still forge a friendship.

[Sasheer]

Here's a question. If you were dating someone and, like, went to their family's Christmas or something, and his Ex was there. How would that make you feel? He's like, oh, we dated, like, six years ago. And, like, she's my friend, and my mom just loves her, and she's, like, part of the family.

[Nicole]

If she looked like me, I would be upset or not upset. I would. It would make me spiral. But if she looked nothing like me and we were very different people, I would. I think I'd be okay with it.

[Sasheer]

Okay. Yeah.

[Nicole]

Because I've dated people where I've met someone that they've dated before and they're still friends with, and it didn't bother me because they're dating me, and that didn't work out, and they still have a friendship, and that's. That's. That's what you did before me is. Is not my business.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. But it's mostly just the fact that this person's still in the family's life.

[Nicole]

As long as I'm not compared to that person, I'm absolutely fine with it.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Because she was there before me. Who am I to say no?

[Sasheer]

Yeah. Great. Yeah.

[Nicole]

And also, if it's like, she lives in, like, his hometown or something, and, like, they're not even in the same city and they don't, like, like. And they're not, like, super. Even if they're close. I. I trust you. If I'm dating you, I trust you.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Until you tell me otherwise. How would you feel?

[Sasheer]

I think I. Well, I think I would first be like, that's weird. But that's also because I also have my own family stuff where I'm like, you're gonna hang out with some family that's not even yours? What's wrong with you? But. But then I'd be like, I guess, sure, yeah. As long as I don't see anything that feels like sus. Yeah.

[Nicole]

As long as it's not like we go for Christmas and then they, like, make out as a hello. And they're like, it's platonic.

[Sasheer]

And I'm like, she's like my sister.

[Nicole]

No.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I think I would truly only have a problem if they looked like me. Like, if they were like, an iteration of me, I'd be like, you can't collect us. And then keep. Keep one. Will I be kept?

[Sasheer]

Will I you go replace me with my double?

[Nicole]

Will another one come who looks like me? And then I'll stay with the. That's like that movie. Here's the thing. I said it's like that movie, and then I really thought about it, and it's not so. Okay. The movie is with James McAvoy. And he. I wish I could remember the name of it, but, like, he scoops kids, keeps a kid when a new kid comes, kills the old kid, and then keeps the new one.

[Sasheer]

Oh, no.

[Nicole]

It's a crazy movie.

[Sasheer]

Oh, no.

[Nicole]

I don't know what it's called.

[Sasheer]

I don't either, but I saw it. Oh, no.

[Nicole]

I don't think I'm making it up. No. Oh. It came out within the last, like, two years, and I ruined the movie. You're like. You're not supposed to.

[Sasheer]

That's the point. That's.

[Nicole]

That's the. Yeah.

[Ali Khan]

My son.

[Nicole]

No. Maybe I've made this up.

[Sasheer]

Did you make it up?

[Nicole]

I don't think so. James McAvoy.

[Sasheer]

It's James McAvoy.

[Nicole]

It's james McAvoy. Young Charles Xavier.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

James McAvoy. Yeah. Kills kids and scoops up new ones. Yeah. Put that in the Google search.

[Ali Khan]

Speak no evil.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sasheer]

Okay.

[Nicole]

That's what it is.

[Sasheer]

All right. Solved. Solved. Let's do one more.

[Nicole]

Wow, I'm really loony right now.

[Ali Khan]

This is from anonymous, longtime listener, who is beyond delighted that you two are back. So I recently started a new job where I became the manager of a handful of people. These people were previously managed by my current manager before I took over, and they had amazing relationships with all of them. My manager is extremely social in a way I've never been. I'm quite awkward, reserved, and take a lot longer to open up to people. While I understand that I have to build my own relationships with the team, I find it really hard having to push myself to do so. I'm not trying to emulate my manager and their dynamics, but I'm not really sure how to approach these people, especially when most of them weren't open to this new change. What makes things harder is that I have a very close friend among my team. She invites me to all their group lunches, but I find myself declining most of the time. I want to be friendly, but I also don't want to blur the line between manager and friend, because for HR and legal reasons, I really can't be their friend. Any suggestions of what to do? Thank you.

[Nicole]

Tough. I've never worked in an office in a corporate setting.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And I'm sure at my retail jobs there was hr, but I never interacted with them. Maybe, I don't know, call a meeting and be like, hey, I'm a little quiet. I'm shy. I don't know that's a bad idea.

[Sasheer]

Can you guys gather in, please? I'm shy. Maybe you can try fostering, like, one on one relationships with them instead of having, like a group lunch. Like, hey, do you want to get a coffee? Do you have coffee breaks? I don't know. Like.

[Nicole]

I don't know. I've never worked in corporate America.

[Sasheer]

Hey, I go to the water cooler real quick. Yeah.

[Nicole]

What'd you watch last night? Like, I don't know.

[Ali Khan]

Mm.

[Sasheer]

Or maybe you could ask. Can you ask your past manager what they did?

[Nicole]

Ding. Ding a ling, bitch. Yes. Yeah, Yeah. I think ask the prior manager who's now your boss. I'm not sure how to go about fostering a relationship or how to, like, interact in an appropriate way. Like, I know I shouldn't be going to lunches and stuff, but, like, can you give me some pointers?

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Fortune Feimster]

Yes.

[Nicole]

Yeah. And you'll probably get brownie points for asking their advice because people in charge love being asked for advice.

[Sasheer]

That is so true.

[Nicole]

Love.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. And it probably. What you saw with them and their relationships probably wasn't like, the whole time. It probably developed in some sort of way.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sasheer]

So maybe. Yeah, maybe they'll have tips on, like, oh, this is how I started talking to this person. Or this, you know, whatever. A little cheat sheet.

[Nicole]

And maybe they'll send you to the water cooler. Do all. All offices. They must have some sort of water hydration station. I would think so. Right? Keep everyone going.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. They gotta have water somewhere.

[Nicole]

I don't even know how you get a job in corporate America. Get a communications degree and then get on LinkedIn.

[Sasheer]

Yeah. Jobs.com. isn't there a jobs.com?

[Nicole]

I think there's a jobs.com.

[Sasheer]

Indeed.

[Nicole]

What?

[Sasheer]

Indeed.com. indeed.

[Nicole]

That must have surprised you. It did. It is funny. Yeah. That's something I'm so ignorant about. Like, I don't know anything about corporate America or, like, the things that go along with it.

[Sasheer]

And so many people do those jobs.

[Nicole]

So many people do.

[Sasheer]

My goodness.

[Nicole]

Wow. Solved.

[Sasheer]

Hopefully.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Okay, well, I think that's it from this episode.

[Sasheer]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

If you have a question, a query, a concern, and if you have a phone and you want to call us or text us.

[Ali Khan]

323-23-86554.

[Sasheer]

Nice. And you have.

[Nicole]

Nice. Nice indeed.

[Sasheer]

And if you want to email us, you can email nicole and sasheermail.com.

[Nicole]

Well, signing off from Los Angeles, California.

[Sasheer]

Goodbye.

[Nicole]

Best friends is a production of Headgun Studios.

[Sasheer]

Our producer is Ali Khan.

[Nicole]

Our executive producer is Anya Konovskaya.

[Sasheer]

The show is edited, mixed and engineered by Richelle Chet.

[Ali Khan]

That was a Headgum podcast.