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In this episode, Rick & Oscar talk with Carina de Vries, Microsoft MVP for Teams and Copilot and founder of Workspace Heroes, about why technology adoption is ultimately about people, not tools. Carina shares her inspiring journey into IT and explains why empathy, continuous guidance, and practical habits are essential for helping colleagues embrace technologies like Microsoft Copilot. Together, they explore resistance to change, the importance of making technology simple and accessible, and why IT professionals should work closely with the business. It's an inspiring conversation full of practical insights for anyone navigating AI and digital transformation.

About this episode, and Carina de Vries in particular: you can find Carina on LinkedIn. You can also watch her YouTube video about Copilot adoption here.

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