Taylor | Betrayal Weekly

Summary

Betrayal: Weekly

Episode: Taylor | Betrayal Weekly
Host: Andrea Gunning
Date: October 2, 2025

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Overview

This episode features the firsthand account of "Taylor," a survivor of decades-long betrayal and abuse by her father, and the subsequent compounded betrayal by her mother’s disbelief. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this powerful story delves into Taylor’s childhood in a small Midwestern town, the coping mechanisms she developed, her path to healing, and her fight for truth and justice—not just for herself, but for others her father allegedly abused. The episode explores themes of trust, trauma, resilience, and the complex choices survivors must make for their own safety and wellbeing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Taylor’s Early Life and Family Dynamics ([05:43] – [12:23])

• Small-Town Upbringing: Taylor describes her upbringing in a close-knit community, noting that, "Everyone kind of knew each other in some capacity." ([06:03])
• Family Structure: Her mother was a stay-at-home parent, quiet and bookish, deeply connected with Taylor. "We were kind of attached to the hip." ([06:16])
• Dad’s Persona: Her father, known as “Big Taylor” or “GC” ("goofy coach"), was beloved in the community—a soccer coach and perceived as the happy, supportive dad. "He kind of took the happy role in the coaching situation, the good cop role." ([08:19])
• Strict Household & Sports: The family held military-style rules, with high expectations, especially toward sports. "Do everything you're asked" was a cardinal rule. ([07:33])

2. The Hidden Abuse and Coping Mechanisms ([16:33] – [24:57])

• Lasting Effects of Pressure: The pressure to perform in sports masked underlying abuse and created internal conflicts. "I still wanted him to think I was the best, so I still tried hard." ([10:46])
• Repressive Survival: Taylor details how she became involved in sports, volunteering for every activity, as a way to physically escape the home—and her abuser.
• Buried Memories & Triggers: She discusses how memories remained "locked away to protect herself" and sometimes emerged unexpectedly, such as via dreams or TV triggers ([19:11]).
• Conditional Love and Dependency: Even after the abuse stopped, Taylor felt beholden to her parents due to her upbringing and ongoing support, struggling to see herself as a victim.

3. Coming to Terms: MeToo and Therapy ([17:23] – [27:07])

• #MeToo Movement Impact: The rise of the MeToo movement stirred up unresolved trauma. "Seeing these headlines just really put me in a dark place and put a dark cloud over my life." ([17:59])
• Therapeutic Breakthrough: In therapy, Taylor finally says the words out loud: "Halfway into our first session, she asked me about my family life and I just blurted it out that my dad abused me growing up." ([18:21])
• Detailed Account of Abuse: Taylor bravely recounts abuse beginning as early as three or four, with specific language used by her father to manipulate her into compliance. “Hey, I need you to come help me out... It was his code word.” ([19:55])

4. Confrontation, Betrayal, and Loss ([27:07] – [43:50])

• Pregnancy as a Turning Point: Becoming pregnant compels Taylor to confront the issue for her future child’s safety.
• Disclosure to Husband: Taylor tells her husband, who reacts with fierce protectiveness: "[He] instantly wanted to drive two hours to go see him and confront him ... He is a fierce protector." ([28:08])
• Telling Her Mother: During a cafe meeting, Taylor reveals the abuse to her mother, who is devastated and first seems to believe her. "She immediately started crying and I started crying and she said, you know, I really... Why didn't you ever tell me?" ([29:48])
• Father’s Reaction and Manipulation: Taylor’s father initially appears apologetic in a private meeting she records, only for him to later deny everything to her mother, who subsequently flips to disbelief. "She just flipped the switch completely to not believing me." ([33:03])
• Complete Estrangement: After her mother’s final refusal to believe her, Taylor gives an ultimatum—either support her and be in the grandson’s life or be cut off. Her mother chooses, "I don’t believe you." ([41:31])

5. Solidarity, Discovery of More Victims, and Seeking Justice ([43:50] – [48:56])

• Online Disclosure: Taylor’s subtle Facebook post leads her cousin Henry to reach out. He confides, “Is this about your dad?... I know this because it happened to me too.” ([44:44])
• Family Pattern and Additional Victims: Henry’s daughter, independently, identifies Taylor’s father as an abuser. This reveals a larger pattern with potentially more victims.
• Attempts at Justice: Taylor and Henry report to authorities, frustrated by delays and statutes of limitation, but eventually the District Attorney decides to reexamine the case as first-degree criminal sexual misconduct. “Just recently the district attorney has decided to re-examine the case. They are reclassifying her abuse as first degree criminal sexual misconduct and there are no statute of limitations.” ([48:34])
• Symbolic Healing: Both get Medusa tattoos as a symbol of surviving disbelief: "...Medusa... didn't believe her and chose to make her a monster. That definitely spoke to both of us of just fear of not being believed." ([47:57])

6. Healing, Resilience, and Legacy ([48:56] – End)

• Parenting a New Generation: Taylor pours her energy into raising her three sons in safety and love, deliberately choosing protection and truth over maintaining family ties.
• Grieving Her Mother: Taylor mourns the emotional loss of her mother, even while she’s still alive: "I'm angry about my mom... I'm like mourning the loss of my mom and she's not even dead." ([43:43])
• Support System: Taylor finds strength in her husband and his family, who offer unconditional support: "He stood by me this entire time and his family has stood by me... he's such a good dad." ([50:36])
• Narrative Control: Taylor, when asked why she shares her story, says, “…if I can give someone else this sense of them not feeling alone, then I want to be able to do that. And that's why I've chosen to say something.” ([51:08])

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On growing up and trust:
  “My dad looked like he was the most supportive dad in the world because he would come watch my practices. But if he thought I didn't play well enough...he would say how terrible I was...He had this dark side where he would just flip a switch where nothing could get him out of it." ([09:16], Taylor Lynn)

• On the coded nature of abuse:
  "The phrase ever since I can remember was, 'hey, I need you to come help me out.' Or, 'I could probably convince your mom to unground you if you come help me out.' It was his code word." ([19:55], Taylor Lynn)

• On self-blame:
  "I get mad at myself sometimes...I should have just called the police. I should have just told a teacher. But who knows if they would even have taken me seriously because he was respected in the community." ([23:09], Taylor Lynn)

• On parental conditionality:
  “Love was conditional and…it was her responsibility to make her parents happy with her. That pattern of thinking stayed with her even after the abuse ended.” ([23:45], Andrea Gunning)

• On betrayal by her mother:
  "I gave her the ultimatum. I said, you either believe me and stand by me and you are in this child's life, or I cannot have a relationship with you anymore. She just finally, straight up, her reaction was, 'I don't believe you.' And I go, 'Okay.' And I left. And that was the last time we've ever spoke, which was probably the hardest thing, hardest conversation her and I ever had.” ([41:31], Taylor Lynn)

• On solidarity with other survivors:
  "'Is this about your dad?' I got like a chill down my back and I responded with yes... And he immediately replied with, 'I know this because it happened to me too.'" ([44:34], Taylor Lynn)

• On future and hope:
  “I have the best kids in the world. They are fun, they are smart, they're goofy. And I know I'm their mom, so I have to say all of those things." ([48:56], Taylor Lynn)

• On sharing her story: "When I found out that my cousin Henry, this had happened to him, there was this sense of I'm not alone and if I can give someone else this sense of them not feeling alone, then I want to be able to do that. And that's why I've chosen to say something." ([51:08], Taylor Lynn)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [05:06] — Taylor’s first hint that her experience was not unique within her family
• [06:03 – 12:23] — Childhood and family environment
• [17:23 – 19:55] — The impact of MeToo and entry into therapy
• [19:55 – 23:09] — Detailed disclosure of abuse and mechanisms of control
• [29:48] — Taylor reveals the abuse to her mother
• [31:25 – 33:03] — Meeting with father; parental denial
• [41:31] — Final conversation and cutoff with mother
• [43:50 – 46:34] — Discovery of cousin’s (Henry’s) similar abuse
• [47:57] — Symbolic healing through Medusa tattoo
• [48:34] — Legal update: possible reopening of the case
• [49:32] — Reflections on legacy and teaching her children
• [51:08] — Taylor articulates her reason for sharing

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Tone and Language

The tone of this episode is raw, candid, and deeply empathetic, favoring the survivor’s words and emotional reality. Taylor’s storytelling is direct, emotional, and self-reflective, interjected with Andrea Gunning’s compassionate, supportive narration.

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Summary

Taylor’s story is a harrowing account of surviving childhood sexual abuse, contending with complex family loyalty, systemic disbelief, and eventual empowerment. The episode traces the long-term effects of betrayal, the challenge of seeking justice, and, ultimately, Taylor’s commitment to ensuring safety, truth, and love for her own family—and for others who may draw strength from her voice.

Transcript

[Taylor Lynn]

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[Taylor Lynn]

Within seconds I get a Facebook message and he goes, is this about your dad? And I got like a chill down my back and I responded with yes, with like a bunch of dots. And he immediately replied with, I know this because it happened to me too.

[Andrea Gunning]

I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, A show about the people we trust the most and the deceptions that change everything. Recently, a listener we're calling Taylor wrote into us. She grew up with her two parents and her older brother in a small midwestern town.

[Taylor Lynn]

Very small town feel. Everyone kind of knew each other in some capacity. Had to drive about an hour to a decent mall.

[Andrea Gunning]

That mall was a place Taylor and her mom would go shopping together.

[Taylor Lynn]

We were kind of attached to the hip. At one point she would always say that I had to go shopping with her because I was the only one who knew where she parked her car.

[Andrea Gunning]

Growing up, Taylor's mom was her best friend.

[Taylor Lynn]

My mom was very demure, if that's the trendy popular word to use. She was quieter and she was a stay at home mom for most of our lives.

[Andrea Gunning]

That gave her a lot of time to spend with Taylor.

[Taylor Lynn]

She was always the one that did pick up, drop off. She was definitely the default parent. She was a self proclaimed bookworm. We both enjoyed reading together, playing with dolls. She taught me how to bake, she taught me how to cook. We always did things together.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor's dad was the head of the household. He was beloved in their family and in their community.

[Taylor Lynn]

Easy go lucky. Wore a Margaritaville T shirt, always had a smile on his face.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor's parents had been together since they were young.

[Taylor Lynn]

My mom was pregnant when she was 16, he was 20. She dropped out of high school and he moved her across the country to follow him to the Air Force.

[Andrea Gunning]

That military background became part of the family culture.

[Taylor Lynn]

It was a pretty strict household growing up. We definitely grew up with rules and one of the rules was do everything you're asked.

[Andrea Gunning]

Striving to be a good daughter was really important to Taylor. She respected her parents. She even shared her dad's name.

[Taylor Lynn]

My dad was Big Taylor and I was Taylor Lynn.

[Andrea Gunning]

Big Taylor was a big sports guy.

[Taylor Lynn]

Some of my happiest moments growing up revolve around sports. I always played a sport ever since I was 5.

[Andrea Gunning]

She started with her dad's sport, soccer. He was a well known soccer coach in the area.

[Taylor Lynn]

My dad coached my brother, he coached me. He coached beyond both of us.

[Andrea Gunning]

Everyone in their small town adored Taylor's dad.

[Taylor Lynn]

He had the nickname of GC which stood for goofy coach because he kind of took the happy role in the coaching situation, the good cop role. I did not know a world that did not involve sports, but I loved it. I got really involved in volleyball, especially travel volleyball.

[Andrea Gunning]

Quickly the sport became her entire life.

[Taylor Lynn]

Being good at volleyball and trying to get a scholarship or trying to get a spot on a college team was my biggest objective. In high school.

[Andrea Gunning]

She wanted to leave her small town and make it to a big state school.

[Taylor Lynn]

If I would have stayed at home and maybe even played at the community college, that was out of the question. I didn't even want to talk to the community college coach.

[Andrea Gunning]

Her dad could be hard on her, pushing her to get better on the court.

[Taylor Lynn]

My dad looked like he was the most supportive dad in the world because he would come watch my practices. But if he thought I didn't play well enough or if he thought I wasn't practicing hard enough, I would get pulled aside to a place where no one could hear or in the car on the way home or at home and he would say how terrible I was and how I'm half assing things and just be so mad at me. He had this dark side where he would just flip a switch where nothing could get him out of it.

[Andrea Gunning]

The pressure from her dad could be intense. By her senior year of high school, Taylor had made it onto one of the best volleyball teams in the area.

[Taylor Lynn]

We were really good. There wasn't a lot for my dad to critique, so he kind of had to ease up there.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor's hard work paid off when she was accepted to a liberal arts college on a volleyball scholarship. The school was an hour away from her parents house, so when she started that fall, her dad came to every game.

[Taylor Lynn]

He was my biggest cheerleader. He was being so great to me. He was being the dad that I always wanted. He came to everything. He never critiqued how I played, even when I didn't have the best game, which he would've tore me apart when I was younger for some of that. And volleyball became like a happy space again.

[Andrea Gunning]

But that pressure to be the best didn't go away. After every mistake or lost game, she heard her dad's voice in her head.

[Taylor Lynn]

I still wanted him to think I was the best, so I still tried hard. I worked as hard as I could. Every summer I would do all of the workouts, plus more to try to be the best that I could.

[Andrea Gunning]

Her relationship with her dad had ups and downs, but her connection with her mom was steady.

[Taylor Lynn]

We had those little moments where we felt like Best friends and people thought we were so fun together.

[Andrea Gunning]

They even worked together when Taylor was home from college.

[Taylor Lynn]

We both worked at TJ Maxx and it would be really funny to page her from the fitting room and say, mom, you need to come clear out the fitting room.

[Andrea Gunning]

By the time Taylor graduated, she had developed a real sense of self.

[Taylor Lynn]

I was finally figuring out who I was and it took me all four years to do that. I came out such a stronger, independent, hard working person who knew that sports wasn't all that I was worth.

[Andrea Gunning]

Once Taylor felt more secure in herself, she met a really great guy. Someone who truly valued her.

[Taylor Lynn]

He's a babe first and foremost. He's 6 foot 5. I'm the people person and he is more of the strong, silent type. But we really balance each other out.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor started a career in marketing and coached girls volleyball on the side. She and her boyfriend shared the same interests. Their lifestyles just aligned.

[Taylor Lynn]

We both work really hard at our career. We both coached. I coached girls volleyball, he coached girls basketball. We worked out together.

[Andrea Gunning]

They got engaged and started planning a wedding.

[Taylor Lynn]

Our wedding was great. My mom helped me get ready with my bridesmaids. My dad helped walk me down the aisle, had my father daughter dance.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor talked to her dad on the phone almost every day. And the family spent long weekends together as Taylor's husband started spending more time with the family.

[Taylor Lynn]

My husband would always mention how thick my dad laid it on with me. Man, he just gushes over you. It's kind of weird, it's kind of gross. And I would just be like, well, I'm the golden child, I'm the best. And kind of justify it as that. And it took a long time for me to understand my dad was just laying it on thick because he knew what he did to me. It starts like any other night. The glass of red, the cozy blanket, then the drop. The stain's so dark, so stubborn, it might as well have been a crime scene. But this isn't your average couch. This is Anna Bay. Fully washable, unspeakably comfortable, and ready for whatever your life, your kids or your ex throws at it. And here's the kicker. Starting at just $699, you can make sure your sofa isn't part of the problem. Fully washable, stain resistant, and built to hide even the darkest defenses. Right now, get up to 60% off because no one should have to live with a stain that won't quit Anna Bay. The only mystery you won't be losing sleep over shop washablesofas.com today, that's washablesofas.com.

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[Taylor Lynn]

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[Taylor Lynn]

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[Taylor Lynn]

My husband and I were actively trying to have a baby. We got a house together and just really getting excited for my professional career to really take off and life was pretty great.

[Andrea Gunning]

At the time. Taylor had just started a new career in social media marketing.

[Taylor Lynn]

I always had to keep in mind what trending topics were and how the brand could maybe resonate in some of those. The MeToo movement started trending in 2017 and it wasn't just a one day trend. Every single day there were new trending tweets with the MeToo hashtag that showcase stories of abuse. Seeing these headlines just really put me in a dark place and put a dark cloud over my life.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor's husband started noticing a change in her.

[Taylor Lynn]

He thought maybe there was something wrong in our marriage or something that he did to make me upset. But I would go home from work and I just wouldn't want to talk. I would just kind of try to block everything out.

[Andrea Gunning]

After a few months, Taylor's husband encouraged her to start therapy.

[Taylor Lynn]

And it was through therapy that really helped me understand why I was feeling so upset. Seeing the MeToo movement, that was a major thing that happened to me. That was not normal. I found a therapist and I first just start talking about my relationship with my husband. I think halfway into our first session, she asked me about my family life and I just blurted it out that my dad abused me growing up.

[Andrea Gunning]

It was a truth that she buried for years. She knew it happened, but she kept those memories locked away to protect herself. That was until the MeToo movement brought them back into her conscious awareness.

[Taylor Lynn]

It was so far back in my mind. The memories and reminders would truly only come out every once in a while in very weird situations, whether it be a dream or when I was drinking with my friend or an episode of Law and SVU would just hit way too close to what happened. I actually have stopped watching that show.

[Andrea Gunning]

With the support of a licensed therapist, she began revisiting the memories she tried so hard to forget. As a note to listeners, Taylor is about to describe her experiences of sexual abuse. If it's best for you not to hear this, you can skip ahead two minutes.

[Taylor Lynn]

The earliest time I can recall is around like three or four years old. And I just remember being in the dark with the TV on, laying next to my dad and him pleasuring himself next to me. He referred to it as helping him out. And so the phrase ever since I can Remember was, hey, I need you to come help me out. Or how about you help me out? Or, well, I could probably convince your mom to unground you if you come help me out. It was his code word. I was crying, like, quietly, eyes shut, gritting my teeth, silent, stiff as a board. As soon as it would be over, I would get out of there, out of that room as fast as I could, and I would lock myself into my room.

[Andrea Gunning]

The sexual abuse was a constant threat she navigated every day.

[Taylor Lynn]

I dreaded being home alone with him at any instance. My whole entire childhood, anytime I could go to the grocery store with my mom, I would go. Anytime I could try to get out of the house, I would get out of the house. I would even bring tons of, like, food and snacks from the pantry and hide them in my room to try to avoid going in and out of my room. Because there would be times where I would just walk past his room, and that's where I would get the request to help him out. I just knew growing up, the faster I could get it over with, the faster I could leave.

[Andrea Gunning]

He manipulated and threatened her into staying silent. When she started looking back on her childhood, her fixation with sports started to make more sense. It wasn't just about getting a scholarship. Volleyball gave her an escape from her dad and her home.

[Taylor Lynn]

Sports were also a great way to stay busy and not be in the house. Like, I always tried to sign up for as much as I could, and we had to do a lot of traveling with that, so the abuse wasn't as often, which was nice. It was a nice break.

[Andrea Gunning]

But volleyball wasn't always a reprieve. The bad moods her dad would get in after she lost a game were used to control her.

[Taylor Lynn]

If I made a mistake, I was terrified what was going to happen when I went home. The only way for me to get out of trouble or not grounded was to help him out. I would help him out, and then everything would reset and we would be completely back to normal. He would be a overly loving dad for that time period, and I was just. I would go back to my room and be relieved, but at the same time, I would be counting down the days until I had to do this again.

[Andrea Gunning]

Every time, she hoped it would be the last time, but it went on right up until she left for college.

[Taylor Lynn]

I get mad at myself sometimes, which is really hard to deal with. I should have just called the police. I should have just told a teacher. But who knows if they would even have taken me seriously because he was respected in the community.

[Andrea Gunning]

As soon as Taylor left for college, she buried the memories of her dad's abuse. It was a survival mechanism because she depended on her parents. And despite it all, she still wanted a connection with them.

[Taylor Lynn]

I relied on my family for a lot of things, and, you know, they supported me and they helped me buy my first car.

[Andrea Gunning]

Through years of abuse, she had been taught that love was conditional and that it was her responsibility to make her parents happy with her. That pattern of thinking stayed with her even after the abuse ended.

[Taylor Lynn]

So when a memory would come up or when I'd be in college and that definitely wasn't happening to me anymore, and I would think of something, I'm like, well, like, you know, now they're nice to me, now my dad treats me like his best friend. And all those great moments in my mind at that time, out shadowed some stuff in the past because, hey, that's done, that's over. And look at how nice he is to me now. And again, I would talk to my dad or my mom, like, every other day, and never at a time where we'd be talking would I be thinking about that, because I was so focused on how good it was to have a supporting dad or loving dad. It was definitely everything that I was craving growing up, and I feel like I was trying to take full advantage of that as an adult.

[Andrea Gunning]

But as hard as she tried to keep it out of her mind, those memories sometimes came back up.

[Taylor Lynn]

There would be times all throughout my life where I would remember, like, oh, yeah, remember that terrible stuff used to happen to you? I even remember this was probably 2014, living in a different city, and my friend and I were drinking, you know, just young twenties, getting ready for a night on the town. And I don't know what triggered it, but all of a sudden I just started crying. And I've never told anyone up to that point. And I told her what had happened to me, and she gave me the biggest hug, and we kind of just talked about it.

[Andrea Gunning]

But back then, Taylor wasn't ready to confront the reality of what her father had done to her.

[Taylor Lynn]

And the next day she was like, I remember what you told me. If you ever need to talk to me, let me know. And I just kind of was embarrassed that I even brought it up. I didn't want anyone to look at me as a victim or think of me, like, as gross, you know, for that happening to me, as, like, damaged. Even my friends.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor felt like if she came forward, it would destroy her family.

[Taylor Lynn]

And I would quickly be like, well, your Family's all that you have. Do you want to blow up your whole life? And I turned out okay, so it really must have not been that bad. And if I'm going to bring it up, then I'm just being a drama queen, or maybe people aren't even going to believe me, so why would I even bring it up? So that's kind of how I would talk myself out of it and kind of push those memories back down.

[Andrea Gunning]

By 2017, when she saw other survivors coming forward and being believed, something shifted for Taylor. She couldn't keep the memories at bay anymore.

[Taylor Lynn]

I would cry on my way to work sometimes out of the blue, because I started having those memories that were just unavoidable, and I couldn't really push them back like I had been doing all those years.

[Andrea Gunning]

With the help of her therapist, she integrated those experiences into the story of her life. But she still wasn't ready to confront her parents.

[Taylor Lynn]

And then my husband and I were trying to have our first child, and the minute I found out I was pregnant, I just wanted to keep this thing safe. I was getting very protective over my future baby and really was having a hard time and had to talk to my therapist about do I wanted to have a relationship with my dad, knowing what happened to me. Finally, my therapist suggested, well, have you ever talked to your mom or told your mom about this? And that really opened the door to, I need to bring light to this or I don't know what's going to happen next.

[Andrea Gunning]

It was the last thing she wanted to do. But now that she had a baby on the way, she knew she couldn't interact with her parents without addressing her dad's abuse. She hadn't told anyone except her college friend and now her therapist. If she was going to confront her parents, she needed to tell her husband first.

[Taylor Lynn]

My husband and I were driving in a car, and I was still not mentally in a great place that I said, okay, do you want to know why I am in therapy? And I said, there was a family member that abused me sexually, abused me growing up. And then I was able to tell him that it was my dad. And he instantly wanted to drive two hours to go see him and confront him. He was supportive 1000% of the way. He is a fierce protector. He would do anything for me.

[Andrea Gunning]

But she wanted to do this on her own. He respected that and supported her as she made a plan. But in the meantime, she distanced herself.

[Taylor Lynn]

I definitely became a little bit more distant to them, you know, blamed like, oh, work is really busy. Card a lot going on. All my anger was, was directed at my dad, not my mom.

[Andrea Gunning]

She knew her mom would be on her side. She was her best friend. One time when Taylor was young, her mom even asked her if something was wrong.

[Taylor Lynn]

I remember I was 5 or 6 years old and she asked me if my dad ever touched me. And I remember saying to her, just because I was so scared that I said no and just kind of let it go.

[Andrea Gunning]

But now as an adult, she was ready to answer that question honestly. A few months into Taylor's pregnancy, her mom invited her on a shopping trip. Taylor decided this was the time.

[Taylor Lynn]

I took my mom to just a little cafe and I said, I have something to tell you. It's really hard for me growing up. Dad sexually abused me. I'm now pregnant and I'm terrified that something's going to happen to this kid and I just need you to know. And she immediately started crying and I started crying and she said, you know, I, I really. There was this one time that he was holding you weird that I really thought maybe, but you told me it wasn't happening. Why didn't you ever tell me? Like she just kept like crying and asking me that. And I just kept telling her dad told me not to. Like he said I would get in trouble if I told you. She was just super upset, gave me all the hugs, told me how sorry she was that that happened. And I went home to where I lived at the time and she went home with the plan to confront my dad.

[Andrea Gunning]

It was a huge relief. But she knew that confrontation would change her parents relationship forever.

[Taylor Lynn]

I was in hopes that she was going to leave him. I offered her a place to live with us. We would help support her financially.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor didn't hear anything from her parents for a few days. The whole time she was bracing for her dad's reaction. She and her husband prepared for her mom to move in. But Taylor was surprised when a few days later she received a call from her dad.

[Taylor Lynn]

My dad then called me and asked me to meet him at a halfway point in like a Walmart parking lot. He said he wanted to talk and apologize. So it wasn't even like an angry call. It was a, we need to talk. I'm just so sorry. Can we please meet somewhere? Will you ever forgive me?

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor was hopeful that her dad would apologize, acknowledge the impact of what he'd done and get help.

[Taylor Lynn]

I thought maybe this could turn around into a story that had some sort of reconciliation or some sort of alternate ending. So I wanted to be a Little bit open there. Because I did love him.

[Andrea Gunning]

With that in mind, she agreed to meet him.

[Taylor Lynn]

So we meet at the Walmart parking lot.

[Andrea Gunning]

For her own protection, she decided to document the conversation.

[Taylor Lynn]

I actually started recording with my phone and he just starts going off on how sorry he is and he doesn't get those thoughts anymore and how good I turned out and could I ever forgive him. I didn't have an answer for him if I could forgive him. I said, I don't know. And he goes, do you still love me? I said, yes, because that's my dad.

[Andrea Gunning]

They sat in her car for an hour, crying. His apology felt genuine. It was the first time he ever acknowledged what he'd done. Once they parted ways, I immediately called.

[Taylor Lynn]

My mom and said, hey, I just met up with dad. He said he was so sorry. Like, how did your conversation go? And this is when she told me that he denied it, denied everything, said I was crazy, said I was making it up for attention and she didn't know what to believe anymore. And I said, mom, I have a recording of him apologizing. And she goes, hold on, your father's calling me. And so hangs up, calls me back, yeah, he just said you admitted that you were lying. The minute I got home, I sent her all the recording. It was like an hour long. And he never once in the recording said, I'm sorry for sexually abusing you as a child. But he said, I am sorry. Can you forgive me? I don't get these thoughts. And she said, well, he could have been apologizing about anything. She just flipped the switch completely to not believing me. It starts like any other night. The glass of red, the cozy blanket.

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[Andrea Gunning]

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[Andrea Gunning]

After confiding in her mom about the abuse she experienced as a child, Taylor's dad reached out. He said he wanted to apologize, so she met him in person. To her surprise, he took accountability and was apologetic. She recorded the conversation on her phone, but when Taylor sent that audio to.

[Taylor Lynn]

Her mom, she thought, I manipulated the recording. She just flipped the switch completely to not believing me.

[Andrea Gunning]

This began a painful back and forth. Taylor was desperate to prove the truth to her mom.

[Taylor Lynn]

I had multiple phone calls at lunch break at work, trying to convince her that, yes, this happened to me. Sharing very specific instances or phrases that he would use like, how do you not believe me?

[Andrea Gunning]

This went on for months.

[Taylor Lynn]

Throughout my whole pregnancy. My mom was going back and forth of believing me or not, which was extremely stressful for me because I wanted her in my life. I wanted her to be my son's grandma.

[Andrea Gunning]

As she got closer to her due date, she tried to have one final conversation with her parents together.

[Taylor Lynn]

Probably halfway through my pregnancy, I did show up at their house and they were both home. She stepped out of the room and she's like, I need a minute.

[Andrea Gunning]

As soon as her mom left the.

[Taylor Lynn]

Room, my dad was acting so weird and definitely scared. He went from remorseful to angry and said, I don't understand. You turned out great. This wasn't a problem when we bought you clothes. This wasn't a problem when we bought you a car. And I freak out and start crying and going, so that was supposed to make it okay? My mom turns the corner, she goes, what's going on? I'm like, he's just justifying it with all of these reasons. And I left, and at that point, I quit trying.

[Andrea Gunning]

That was the moment she decided to cut her dad off.

[Taylor Lynn]

I have not talked to him, looked at him since that moment when I fully understood that he does not love me the way that he says he did.

[Andrea Gunning]

The stress took a toll on her health and her pregnancy.

[Taylor Lynn]

I was 37 weeks and my OB was like, hey, you don't really have a lot of fluid. You might want to go to the hospital because they might want to deliver the baby early. And this is my first kid. And I was like, what? My first instinct was to go to my work and get my laptop for some reason. And I just started like crying on the stairs at work. And people at work were so nice. And I Was like, I'm not ready to be a mom. And they're like, you're going to be great.

[Andrea Gunning]

She called her husband, who met her at the hospital. They didn't even have their hospital backpack. A few hours later, their son was born.

[Taylor Lynn]

He was born perfect with blonde, curly hair and just adorable and so loved. I had friends visit me in the hospital. My in laws, her mom showed up.

[Andrea Gunning]

Too, but she was distant.

[Taylor Lynn]

The minute the baby was born, she gave my son a kiss on the forehead and said that she was leaving. Just extremely weird.

[Andrea Gunning]

Taylor and her mom barely spoke for months. That was until Taylor's grandma passed away.

[Taylor Lynn]

I went to my grandmother's house to pick up some things and help them move some stuff around. My mom was bringing up, like happy memories and trying to talk to me about the baby and just trying to pretend like everything was normal. That's when I had the conversation with my mom, like, stop skirting around this. I gave her the ultimatum. I said, you either believe me and stand by me and you are in this child's life, or I cannot have a relationship with you anymore. She just finally, straight up, her reaction was, I don't believe you. And I go, okay. And I left. And that was the last time we've ever spoke, which was probably the hardest thing, hardest conversation her and I ever had.

[Andrea Gunning]

For Taylor, this was the ultimate betrayal.

[Taylor Lynn]

I truly believed after we talked in that cafe that she believed me.

[Andrea Gunning]

It was also an incredible loss.

[Taylor Lynn]

It was very devastating to think of a world where I just don't have a mom.

[Andrea Gunning]

But Taylor had to protect her child, even if that meant cutting off her mom.

[Taylor Lynn]

And I feel so sorry for her because to this day, she's financially, emotionally, she's just. Everything is under the rule of my dad. She has always been so controlled by my father. She could never have her own opinion. I never saw her hang out with friends unless they were wives of my dad's friends. While my dad was hanging out with his friends. I truly think that there were times where I was her only friend. And I definitely missed that friendship. But I also have to do what's right for my family. Sorry, that one. That one hit me kind of hard. It's funny. I'm angry about my mom, but I'm just. I'm like mourning the loss of my mom and she's not even dead. And I get so upset still when I see my friends and their moms are so involved with. With their kids. It's just not fair.

[Andrea Gunning]

For a while, this was something Taylor handled privately. But over Time Taylor felt more empowered to share what happened to her.

[Taylor Lynn]

One day I was on Facebook and there was just a post and it was kind of like a meme style where it said reason number like 300 and blah, blah, blah, why abuse victims don't come forward. And all I did was hit share. I didn't say like, yep, this happened to me. It was just like resharing a post. Within seconds, I get a Facebook message and it is from my older cousin. He's about 10 years older than me. He goes, hey, what's this about?

[Andrea Gunning]

It was a cousin she would see once or twice a year at family events. We'll call him Henry. She kept it vague, told him it was something she was working through.

[Taylor Lynn]

And he responds with, is this about your dad? I got like a chill down my back and I responded with yes, with like a bunch of dots. And he immediately replied with, I know this because it happened to me too. It was like 11 o' clock at night, I'm in my bedroom, I just start crying. And he proceeds to tell me that when he was young, around five years old, my dad sexually abused him. And the exact same things that he used to say to me, he said to my cousin Henry of helping him out. My cousin said he never told anyone because he was so afraid. We started talking like every other day on the phone and just sharing experiences and like support for one another.

[Andrea Gunning]

It was the first time she felt.

[Taylor Lynn]

Seen as unfortunate as it was that it happened to both of us. It felt like I had someone who fully understood what I went through, believed me, and was equally as angry as I was in the sense of how much innocence that this person stole and that I just wasn't alone. My cousin Henry told his kids who are in their 20s, and before he could even say what family member did something to him, his daughter asked if it was Uncle Taylor because I apparently at a family event, he had groped her and told her not to tell anyone. And so this clearly isn't an instance where it was a one off with one kid or another kid. There could be multiple victims out there.

[Andrea Gunning]

Even though Taylor wasn't speaking to her mom, Henry took it upon himself to message her.

[Taylor Lynn]

He Facebook messaged her probably a little over a year ago, saying, when we were living in the Midwest, it was happening to me by Uncle Taylor. I thought it stopped once we moved away and he wouldn't do it to any other kid. But Taylor Lynn is not lying. And I know this goes beyond just us. Never read it, never responded to him. So there's definitely been attempts even after that moment to try to snap her out of it. And nothing has worked. And I don't think anything will work.

[Andrea Gunning]

Henry and Taylor took their information to authorities.

[Taylor Lynn]

He contacted the state where he lives because the groping of his daughter happened in that state. And unfortunately they haven't really paid much attention.

[Andrea Gunning]

So at first she was told the abuse she suffered would be classified as second degree criminal sexual misconduct. And in her state there's a statute of limitations for that.

[Taylor Lynn]

And it's extremely frustrating. But I'm choosing to accept that Taylor.

[Andrea Gunning]

And her cousin decided to do something together to symbolize what they went through.

[Taylor Lynn]

Henry and I got Medusa tattoos recently. So Medusa. The lore is she was seduced by Poseidon and raped by Poseidon in Athena's temple. And Athena didn't believe her and chose to make her a monster. And that definitely spoke to both of us of just fear of not being believed. And we're both in each other's corner still being there for each other when there are some dark days or just reassurance that it wasn't our fault.

[Andrea Gunning]

Just recently the district attorney has decided to re examine the case. They are reclassifying her abuse as first degree criminal sexual misconduct and there are no statute of limitations. Taylor and Henry hope they might see justice. In the meantime, she's focused on moving forward and raising her kids in a safe, happy environment.

[Taylor Lynn]

I have a career that I'm chasing. I don't have time nor like the desire at this moment to potentially chase down a case that. Has anyone said that they don't believe me when I know the truth. I also have three beautiful boys that need all of my attention, all of my love right now. I have the best kids in the world. They are fun, they are smart, they're goofy. And I know I'm their mom, so I have to say all of those things.

[Andrea Gunning]

She's sad that her mom doesn't get to see her boys grow up.

[Taylor Lynn]

I feel sorry for her in the sense that she's never gonna know them and know how amazing they are. Last week I got a message from my oldest son's teacher. He's in first grade. It was interesting fact day. And my son, all he knows about my parents is that they are. I just say, you know, they're not very good people and so that's why they're not in our lives. And I haven't elaborated. And my oldest son told his entire class that my parents are bank robbers and they stole money from a bank. And that's why he doesn't know them. So I think it's kind of hilarious that little kids minds just are so imaginative. So one day I'll be able to tell them the real reason. But for now they just know that the people who are in their lives are people who generally love them and will protect them and I refuse to have it any other way.

[Andrea Gunning]

Throughout this whole experience she's had the support of her husband.

[Taylor Lynn]

I know I have such a great life partner. He stood by me this entire time and his family has stood by me the entire time and that just has meant the whole world to me. And he's such a good dad. He is so fully involved and we are building this little family from scratch and starting this new legacy.

[Andrea Gunning]

We end every weekly episode with the same question. Why do you want to share your story?

[Taylor Lynn]

The first reason is I think this is a part of my healing journey first and foremost and provide myself some additional closure. A second reason is when I found out that my cousin Henry, this had happened to him, there was this sense of I'm not alone and if I can give someone else this sense of them not feeling alone, then I want to be able to do that. And that's why I've chosen to say something.

[Andrea Gunning]

On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly.

[Taylor Lynn]

So we sat down and he was like, he doesn't believe in NDA so he's not going to ask for one of them. And I was just like, nd, what the hell is going on here? Like what is happening? And it was like, oh, do you know what? I think I need to tell you a little bit about my family history.

[Andrea Gunning]

Before we end the episode. I have some exciting news. Betrayal will be doing our first ever live show as part of the Virgin Voyages True Crime Cruise. We'll be answering listener questions and discussing them live on stage with Stacy and Tyler from Betrayal season three, as well as Caroline from season four. So if you have a question for us, please email [e-mail] with the subject line Listener Question. And if you want to join us on the Caribbean cruise, there are still spots available. Search virginvoyages.com truecrime if you would like to reach out to the Betrayal team or want to tell us your Betrayal story, email [e-mail] that's betrayalpodmail.com or follow us on Instagram betrayalpod. You can also connect with me on Instagram andreagunning to access our newsletter, view additional content and connect with the Betrayal community. Join our [e-mail]. we're grateful for your support. One way to show support is by subscribing to our show on Apple Podcasts. And don't forget to rate and review Betrayal. Five star reviews go a long way. A big thank you to all of our listeners. Betrayal is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The show is executive produced by Nancy Glass and Jennifer Faison, hosted and produced by me, Andrea Gunning. Written and produced by Monique Laborde. Also produced by Ben Federman. Associate producers are Kaitlyn Golden, Olivia Hewitt and Kristin Melchiori. Casting support from Curry Richmond. Our iHeart team is Ally Perry and Jessica Krynczyk. Audio editing and mixing by Matt d' Alvecchio Additional audio editing by Tanner Robbins Betrayals theme composed by Oliver Baines Music library provided by My Music and for more podcasts from iHeartra, visit the iHeartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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