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Better At Work with Cathal Quinlan
Hosted by Cathal Quinlan · EN
The Better At Work podcast is your new best friend at work. It’s packed with honest, practical advice and science-backed techniques from a diverse range of guests to help you achieve betterness in your work, and life.
Better At Work is for everyone striving to be better and feel better. Whether you’re ready to take your career to new heights, or battling with the daily grind, your host Cathal Quinlan is here to help.
By drawing on insights from leading psychologists, neuroscientists and performance experts, and Cathal sharing his own successes and mistakes as a leader, the podcast delivers proven strategies, tools and science-backed techniques to help you achieve betterness in your working life, one day at a time, because when work is better, life is better.
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The 3 Things Every Office Steals From You | Leidy Klotz
6d ago00:52:22Tap to summarizeMost workplaces obsess over paint colours, open-plan vs closed offices, and how many days people should be back at their desks. They skip the only question that actually matters.This week Cathal sits down with Leidy Klotz, engineering professor and behavioural scientist at the University of Virginia. Leidy is the author of SUBTRACT (translated into eight languages) and his new book IN A GOOD PLACE breaks down the three psychological needs your physical surroundings either feed or starve: agency, growth, and connection.They cover:- The nursing home study where control over your space changed survival rates- Why refugees in "half-finished houses" recover faster than those given fully built homes- The boss who accidentally locked his team out of the only good conference room- What the negotiation research says about arriving 20 minutes early- The single most damaging mistake organisations make when designing workplaces- Why space is one of the only things in your life you can actually changeLeidy Klotz, PhD is a behavioural scientist and engineering professor at the University of Virginia. His research has been published in Nature and Science. Before academia he played professional soccer and designed schools in New Jersey. His new book IN A GOOD PLACE: How the Spaces Where We Live, Work, and Play Can Help Us Thrive is out now.Find Leidy: leidyklotz.comNew episodes of Better at Work every Thursday, 7am GMT. Real talk on work, careers, and how to make work actually better. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Why Doing Everything at Work Means You Finish Nothing | Listener Questions | S4 Episode 29
2w ago00:33:02Tap to summarizeQ&A episode: Annette synthesises Wendy Smith's both/and thinking, Cathal reflects on Bob Geldof's recent speech on empathy in leadership, and we answer Lou's question on preparing for her first competency-based interview.Following last week's conversation with Wendy Smith (Both/And Thinking: Embracing Creative Tensions to Solve Your Toughest Problems), Annette walks through the takeaways that stuck with her. The Fab Four: assumptions, boundaries, comfort, dynamics. The two metaphors at the heart of Wendy's framework: the tightrope walker who splits attention and chops between competing priorities, and the mule, the integrated both/and solution that's stronger than a horse and smarter than a donkey.Cathal and Annette get into why so many of us end up tightrope walking at work without meaning to. The "stop starting, start finishing" trap. The way leaders accumulate priorities until everything is urgent and nothing is finished. And why complexity, the thing most of us instinctively dread, can actually be a source of energy if you have the right framework to meet it with.Then a swerve into Bob Geldof's recent awards speech on empathy and what's gone missing in global leadership. Cathal pulls the thread: the both/and case for caring about people and running a business well. They're not in tension.The listener question this week comes from Lou, who's preparing for her first ever competency-based interview and has no idea where to start. Annette lays out the framework:→ Prepare 5 examples from your career, things you're genuinely proud of→ Cover real range: a difficult stakeholder, a deadline crunch, an unsolvable problem→ Structure each one with situation, action, outcome→ Connect each example back to your core skills and values→ Practise out loud, to camera or to a mirror, so the interview isn't the first time you've heard these words in your own voicePlus a look at what's coming next week: Leidy Klotz, author of Subtract, on his new book In a Good Place: How the Spaces Where We Live, Work, and Play Can Help Us Thrive.Got a career dilemma you'd like us to tackle in a future Q&A? Head to betteratwork.net. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Why Smart Leaders Stop Making Clear Choices | Wendy Smith
3w ago01:01:52Tap to summarizeWendy Smith is a management professor at the University of Delaware and the co-author of Both/And Thinking, a book translating 25 years of research into practical tools leaders can apply immediately.In this conversation:- Why workplace tensions are a feature, not a bug- What most business schools are getting wrong about leadership- The difference between a dilemma (where you choose) and a paradox (where you don't)- Four types of paradox every leader faces: learning, performing, organising, belonging- The three traps of either/or thinking: rabbit holes, wrecking balls, trench warfare- Why King Charles got both sides of the US Congress on their feet- The X-on-the-hand habit that made Wendy a better listener (and a better leader)- A preview of her next book on anxiety and finding comfort in the discomfortWendy's biggest invitation: notice how often the tensions in your life present themselves as either/or. Then ask one question. What if it's both?Featuring callbacks to previous Better at Work guests Jennifer Moss and Amy Gallo. Recorded with Wendy in Philadelphia.Got a career dilemma? Send it in at betteratwork.comNEXT WEEK: Q&A with Annette on this episode and listener questions.Making your work life better, one conversation at a time. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Pet Shop Rabbits, Hope, and Big Career Moves | Q&A with Annette
4w ago00:31:18Tap to summarizeAnnette's back with three takeaways from last week's Jennifer Moss episode that genuinely changed how we think about hope at work. Plus a listener question from Paul, an Australian who's been working in Dublin for 7-8 years and is now moving the family home to Melbourne while weighing a career change.In this Q&A:- The Admiral McRaven "make your bed" reminder- FOBO (fear of becoming obsolete) and the five-step Gallup framework for compassionate leadership in the AI era- Why scheduling time for learning is the part most leaders skip- "Hope is not a method" vs. "hope IS a strategy": Annette's full reframe- The four-part hope framework: goals, pathways, personal agency, agency for others- Paul's question: how do you survive an international move AND a career pivot at the same time?- The both/and move that changes the maths on midlife career transitionsAnnette tells the story of the Post-it she kept on her monitor at one of the toughest jobs of her career: "Hope is not a method." Years later, Jennifer Moss reframed it for her. Hope is a strategy when you build goals, pathways, and agency underneath it. Without those, it's just wishful thinking with better PR.For Paul, and anyone considering a big move plus a big career shift at the same time, the advice is the both/and: contract while you network, build foundations while you research, and don't try to do all the big rocks at once.Got a career dilemma? Send it in at betteratwork.comNEXT WEEK: Wendy Smith on Both/And Thinking. You're going to love it.Making your work life better, one conversation at a time. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →We Can't Yoga Our Way Out of Bad Culture & The Newest Burnout Research | Jennifer Moss
Apr 3000:54:56Tap to summarizeThree years ago, Jennifer Moss came on Better at Work and gave us a line that stuck: we can't yoga our way out of a bad boss.She's back. New book. Sharper take.Jennifer is a burnout researcher and workplace culture strategist whose new book Why Are We Here? Creating a Work Culture Everybody Wants is her third on this space and one of the most useful Cathal has read this year.In this conversation:→ Why hope is collapsing at work, especially for under-25s (the World Happiness Report numbers are bleak) → Charles Snyder's hope theory and why agency is the piece most leaders miss → Why a compliant team isn't a loyal team, it's a team where hope is dying → The real cost of layoffs to the people who stay → Phobos and the 1 in 2 stat on AI anxiety from Microsoft's Work Trend Index → Why most micromanagers are frightened, not malicious → The 5-step compassionate leadership framework for AI transitions → Why "I'm an ally" framing has made diversity work fragile, and the reframe that fixes it → Optimal distinctiveness: fitting in and standing out at the same time → Three things leaders can do this weekJennifer references Adam Grant, Lindsay McIntyre (formerly of Microsoft), Amy Gallo, Claudia Goldin, Robin Dunbar, and case studies from companies including Patagonia and Bright Horizons.Find Jennifer at jennifer-moss.com and on LinkedIn.Better at Work is hosted by Cathal Quinlan. New episodes every Thursday 7am.If this one resonated, share it with someone on your team who needs it. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Tesla's Secret to Creativity, A Listener Breaking Under Retail Burnout, and Cathal Finally Gets New Glasses
Apr 2300:28:54Tap to summarizeWhat if the colleague who drives you up the wall is the one your organisation can't afford to lose?Cathal and Annette are back for a listener-questions special, picking up where last week's conversation with David [surname TBC], former Head of Design at Tesla, left off. The idea that stuck: every team has Mad Hatters and White Rabbits. The Mad Hatters bring the wild, disruptive, sometimes maddening ideas. The White Rabbits keep things running on time. Most organisations over-index on one and quietly punish the other, which is exactly how you lose the creative edge that made you competitive in the first place.Cathal shares why the framework hit home, why psychological safety matters more than surface-level politeness, and why "I don't agree with you" should be a welcome sentence in any good team. He also references his recent LinkedIn post on the thing nobody tells you when you become a manager for the first time: there's no handbook. You're going to get it wrong sometimes. That's fine, as long as you keep showing up and keep supporting the ideas.Then the listener question. Michelle wrote in from retail. She's covering two to three people's roles on her normal shifts and being called in on her days off. She's drained. She can't say no. She's breaking. Annette and Cathal unpack it honestly and the reframe is the gold: the days-off problem isn't the real problem. The root cause is the workload. And there's a way to raise it with her manager that doesn't torch the relationship, with a Plan B ready if it doesn't land.Expect the glass-of-water stress analogy, a useful reframe on supporting failure at work, and a reminder that the people who held the retail and service economy together through Covid deserve better than being treated as infinitely elastic.In this episode:Why Mad Hatters and White Rabbits need each otherThe LinkedIn post Cathal wrote about becoming a managerWhy feeling threatened by a different viewpoint is a trapThe glass of water and what stress does when you hold it too longHow Michelle can raise the workload conversation, with a Plan B readyChapters:00:00 Welcome back01:35 Recap: David on curiosity at Tesla05:38 The Mad Hatter and the White Rabbit11:06 Why entrepreneurial thinkers need air cover12:15 No handbook for being a manager14:05 Why supporting failure is a leadership skill15:03 Listener question: Michelle is running on empty19:08 The glass of water test20:14 How to reframe the conversation upwards25:20 Respect for frontline workers26:15 Next week: Jennifer Moss returnsMentioned in this episode:Last week's interview with David Imai, former Head of Design at Tesla (Apple, Spotify, YouTube)Cathal's recent LinkedIn post on becoming a managerNext week: Jennifer Moss, author of Why Are We Here? Creating a Work Culture Everyone WantsGot a career dilemma of your own?Send it in. We'll take it on anonymously, just like Michelle's. Details at betteratwork.netSubscribe to The Better Bits newsletter for the best insights from every episode, delivered straight to your inbox.New episodes every Thursday on Apple, Spotify and YouTube. Hit follow so you don't miss Jennifer Moss. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →The Ex-Tesla Designer On Why Your Best Ideas Keep Dying At Work
Apr 1600:51:43Tap to summarizeFor 14 years, David Imai was a Design Director at Tesla, helping shape every car the company put on the road. Before that, GM and Opel. Today he advises the startups building the future of transport and robotics, and he's obsessed with one question: why do the best ideas keep dying inside big organisations?His answer will surprise you.Every team has two types of people. The Mad Hatter, who throws out wild, half-formed, maybe-genius ideas. And the White Rabbit, who gets things done on time. Most workplaces only protect one of them, and it's almost always the wrong one. That's why your best thinking never makes it out of the meeting room.In this episode, David sits down with Cathal (his old London housemate, small world) to unpack the three things every curious culture needs. Why psychological safety isn't optional. Why Tesla sends its robotics engineers to Disney Imagineering. And the one habit that separates teams that innovate from teams that talk about innovating.If you've ever walked out of work wondering why nobody listens to your best ideas, press play. This is the episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Culture Isn't What You Think It Is: Marcus Collins Takeaways + Why Retail Workers Are Struggling
Apr 900:23:29Tap to summarizeIn this week's listener questions episode, Cathal and Annette revisit three powerful ideas from their conversation with Marcus Collins.First, Emile Durkheim's sociological definition of culture, and why Marcus uses it: culture isn't something we create as individuals, it creates us as social beings. Second, Marcus's definition of brands as "vessels of meaning," identifiable signifiers that conjure thoughts and feelings in the hearts and minds of people. And third, his surprisingly direct advice: if you don't believe in the brand you work for, leave.Cathal also shares what he picked up from a recent TV media training session (including why you should never say "hello everybody"), and Annette updates on her Camino preparation with seven weeks to go.Then they turn to something Cathal encountered across multiple conversations in Ireland over Easter: a sharp rise in abuse directed at retail, pharmacy, and healthcare workers. Signs in shops asking customers not to abuse staff. Young workers blindsided by aggression they never expected. Nurses flagging the link between understaffing and escalating hostility. They want to hear from you if you're experiencing this, especially if you work outside the typical corporate environment.Finally, Better at Work is approaching the end of this series and planning the next season. If you've got a guest suggestion or a topic you'd love covered (someone already pitched workplace design), send it through to betteratwork.net.Next week: David Eime joins to talk about how to create curiosity in the workplace. And Cathal has an unusual connection to him that he's keeping under wraps until then.Key topics: culture as a system, brands as vessels of meaning, brand alignment, retail worker abuse, psychosocial hazards, customer service training, workplace designNew episodes every Thursday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Why Culture Is the Most Powerful Force at Work (And How to Actually Change It) | Marcus Collins
Mar 2600:38:41Tap to summarizeWhy Culture Is the Most Powerful Force at Work (And How to Actually Change It) | Marcus CollinsWhat if the biggest thing shaping your experience at work isn't your manager, your workload, or your pay, but something most organisations can't even define? In this episode, Cathal sits down with Marcus Collins, marketing professor at the University of Michigan's Ross School of Business, faculty director for the school's executive education partnership with Google, and faculty member at Harvard Extension School. Marcus has led digital strategy for Beyonce, worked on Nike and iTunes initiatives at Apple, and was recently awarded the Thinkers 50 Radar Distinguished Achievement Award.His book For the Culture: The Power Behind the World's Most Successful Brands has been endorsed by Daniel Pink, Adam Grant, Amy Edmondson, and Katy Milkman. But don't let the word "marketing" fool you. This is a people book, and the conversation goes deep into what actually drives behaviour in any organisation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Your Team Is Too Big (Here's the Ideal Size) | Listener's Questions
Mar 1900:24:57Tap to summarizeYour team might be too big to do its best work.In this week's Q&A, Cathal and Annette unpack their takeaways from Colin Fisher's research on what makes great teams. The number that stuck: 4.5 people. That's the ideal team size for real collaboration.They dig into why most leadership meetings are too big to actually solve anything, the goal-setting mistake Colin calls "meet me in California tomorrow," and how the rise of individualism is quietly reshaping how we work in teams.Annette connects Colin's findings to Google's Project Aristotle research, making the case that psychological safety matters more than ever in an era where "I" is replacing "we."Plus, a listener shares an update on her career transition: from corporate burnout to building a portfolio that combines consulting with her real passion, acting.Key topics: ideal team size, goal specificity, individualism vs collectivism, psychological safety, portfolio careers, career transitions.Guest book recommendations from listeners:→ Working Identity by Herminia Ibarra→ Barking Up the Wrong Tree by Eric BarkerGot a career question? Head to betteratwork.net and send us a note. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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