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Beyond Your Number
Hosted by Faith and Community · EN
You’re not just a type — you’re a whole story. Beyond Your Number is a conversational Enneagram podcast where Damon & Kelly explore real-life growth through personality. From relationships to team dynamics, we help you go deeper than the label. New episodes every Wednesday. Formerly EnneagramU.
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Subtype Layers: Type 8
Jan 2800:32:10Tap to summarizeThis week’s episode isn’t fully evergreen, because it’s recorded right as Kelly is leading a VU service trip to Jamaica and a major winter storm is about to hit the Midwest. That real-time pressure makes it the perfect setup for Enneagram Type 8 subtypes, because you hear “8 energy” in action: decision-making, urgency, leadership, control, and the tension of letting go when the outcome is out of your hands.Damon and Kelly break down the three Type 8 instinctual variants (self-preservation, social, one-to-one), how each one protects and leads, and how the same strengths can turn into blind spots when intensity takes over.In this episode, you’ll learn:Why Type 8 is “the challenger,” and how control and strength show up under stressSelf-Pres 8 “Survivalist,” crisis-ready, protective, resourceful, and hard to slow downSocial 8 “Protector/Leader,” justice-oriented leadership, leading for the whole group, and “leading up”How Social 8 can mistype as a 2 (care for others, group focus, but different motive and energy)One-to-One 8 “Intense Protector,” fierce loyalty, deep bond when trust forms, and why intensity can intimidateThe shadow sides: stubbornness, steamrolling, impatience, possessiveness, and anger in close relationshipsSubtype quick reference:Self-Preservation 8: SurvivalistSocial 8: Protector, LeaderOne-to-One (Sexual) 8: Intense ProtectorFollow us on Apple Podcasts and leave a review:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/enneagramu/id1691530997Follow us on Spotify and leave a review:https://open.spotify.com/show/2kbIVeByJn4WDoN3kFlUId?si=65a99542c46a49fa
Transcribe →Subtype Layers: Type 7
Jan 2100:22:45Tap to summarizeEnneagram Type 7 subtypes are all about how joy, possibility, and future-focused energy show up through different instincts, and the differences are bigger than most people expect. In this episode of Beyond Your Number, Damon and Kelly break down the self-preservation, social, and one-to-one Type 7, including why some Sevens look surprisingly “responsible,” why others fill every open space on the calendar, and why the intense one-to-one Seven can idealize experiences and relationships.In this episode, you’ll learn:SP 7 “Keeper of the Castle,” practical optimism, better follow-through, comfort and security as a priorityHow SP 7 can mistype as a 6 (same safety language, different motivation)Social 7 “Entertainer,” group energy, planning experiences, inclusivity, and over-committing sociallyWhy Social 7 can derail seriousness (class clown energy), and struggle with follow-throughOne-to-One 7, intensity, imagination, “next high” restlessness, and idealizing partners or experiencesSubtype quick reference:Self-Preservation 7: Keeper of the CastleSocial 7: The Entertainer (planner of entertainment)One-to-One (Sexual) 7: The Intense EnthusiastFollow us on Apple Podcasts and leave a review:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/enneagramu/id1691530997Follow us on Spotify and leave a review:https://open.spotify.com/show/2kbIVeByJn4WDoN3kFlUId?si=65a99542c46a49fa
Transcribe →Subtype Layers: Type 6
Jan 1400:26:03Tap to summarizeEnneagram Type 6 subtypes are all about safety and security, and they look very different depending on the instinct. In this episode of Beyond Your Number, Damon and Kelly break down the self-preservation, social, and one-to-one Type 6, including why Six often gets confused with other types and how motivation clarifies what is really going on.In this episode, you’ll learn:What drives Type 6 (safety and security), and how loyalty flows from thatSelf-Pres 6 at home, routines, stability, and when “checking” becomes anxiety managementSocial 6 in groups, values, systems, and how they relate to rules and authorityOne-to-One 6 as the intense protector (and why it can look like an 8)Why 6 can get mistaken for 2 or 8, and how to spot the difference by motivationSubtype quick reference:Self-Preservation 6: Defender of the HomeSocial 6: Guardian of the CommunityOne-to-One (Sexual) 6: The WarriorFollow us on Apple Podcasts and leave a review:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/enneagramu/id1691530997Follow us on Spotify and leave a review:https://open.spotify.com/show/2kbIVeByJn4WDoN3kFlUId?si=65a99542c46a49fa
Transcribe →Subtype Layers: Type 5 and a New Season!
Jan 700:24:53Tap to summarizeSeason 4 is here, it is 2026, and we start exactly how you would expect: a little off the rails. Damon declares a “set the bar low” resolution, Kelly introduces the better idea (rhythms over resolutions), and together they officially “jump the shark” before re-centering on Enneagram subtype layers. This episode focuses entirely on Type 5, breaking down the self-preservation, social, and one-to-one (sexual) expressions. You will hear how each Five manages energy, boundaries, knowledge, and connection, from the “Defender of the Castle” to the “Professor” to the “Intense Observer.” If you are a Five, love a Five, or work with a Five, this one will help you see the strengths clearly and catch the drift toward isolation, over-intellectualizing, or disappearing into the cave when overwhelmed.Type 5, Self-Preservation: “Defender of the Castle”Type 5, Social: “The Professor”Type 5, One-to-One (Sexual): “The Intense Observer”Follow us on Apple Podcasts and leave a review:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/enneagramu/id1691530997 Follow us on Spotify and leave a review:https://open.spotify.com/show/2kbIVeByJn4WDoN3kFlUId?si=65a99542c46a49fa
Transcribe →Subtype Layers: Types 3 and 4
Dec 1700:22:24Tap to summarizeWe are officially off the rails. Kelly is campaigning hard for “baby AI” versions of us. After we recover, we get back to what actually matters: subtype layers. In this episode we break down Enneagram Types 3 and 4 through the self-preservation, social, and one-to-one lenses, naming the strengths and watch-outs for each subtype. If you have ever wondered why some Threes feel like tireless workers while others feel like performers, or why some Fours seem quietly self-contained while others feel like intense romantics, this episode will help you spot the patterns with more clarity and less judgment.Type 3Self-Preservation: The WorkerSocial: The Politician (or The Performer, “Peacock”)One-to-One: The Charmer (“The Magnet”)Type 4Self-Preservation: The Comfortable Withdrawer (“Comfortable Individual”)Social: The OutsiderOne-to-One: The Intense RomanticFollow us on Apple Podcasts and leave a review:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/enneagramu/id1691530997 Follow us on Spotify and leave a review:https://open.spotify.com/show/2kbIVeByJn4WDoN3kFlUId?si=65a99542c46a49fa
Transcribe →Cake & Subtypes: The 3 Layers of Enneagram 1s and 2s
Dec 1000:28:22Tap to summarizeIn this episode of Beyond Your Number, Damon and Kelly head into the Enneagram “bakery” and build out the full three-layer cake of subtypes for Types 1 and 2. Using the playful “Is It Cake?” metaphor, they show how each subtype can look completely different on the outside, even when the core number underneath is the same.Kelly walks through the Self-Preservation, Social, and One-to-One (sexual) subtypes for Type 1 (the Organizer, the Good Citizen, and the Crusader) and Type 2 (the Caretaker, the Host, and the Intimate Helper). Along the way they talk boards and bylaws, life-coach energy, over-helping, intensity in close relationships, and why motivation is the key to telling “is it Type 1, Type 2, or something else?”If you are a 1 or 2 (or love one), this conversation will help you spot your dominant subtype, recognize your growth edges, and appreciate the people in your life who organize, host, and love so deeply.Type 1Self-preservation 1: The OrganizerSocial 1: The Good CitizenOne-to-one (sexual) 1: The CrusaderType 2Self-preservation 2: The Caretaker (also called The Nurturer)Social 2: The Host (also called The Community Builder)One-to-one (sexual) 2: The Intimate HelperFollow us on Apple Podcasts and leave a review:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/enneagramu/id1691530997 Follow us on Spotify and leave a review:https://open.spotify.com/show/2kbIVeByJn4WDoN3kFlUId?si=65a99542c46a49fa
Transcribe →Enneagram Subtypes 401: Self-Preservation (Types 7, 8, 9)
Dec 300:27:45Tap to summarizeDamon and Kelly wrap up the self preservation section of the subtype series with Types 7, 8, and 9. They break down core motives, how self preservation shows up day to day (gear, routines, safety, control), healthy vs unhealthy patterns, and simple practices to grow without losing your type’s strengths. SP-7Healthy signs: content with what they have, enthusiastic and inspiring, practical about safety, steady rhythms that stave off boredom.Early drift: chasing newest gadgets for security, getting reckless with money, overfilling time to avoid boredom.SP-8Healthy signs: direct and no-nonsense, protective of others, self-reliant, quietly strong, helps empower people’s strengths.Early drift: steamrolling to “get it done,” hiding to avoid vulnerability, workaholic streaks, chasing status symbols.SP-9Healthy signs: practical and patient, peaceful presence, steady routines that truly refuel, fun-loving with wry humor, unselfish.Early drift: autopilot comforts and favorite replays, present-only focus stalling bigger aims, apathy or emotional shut-down, stubbornness.Follow us on Apple Podcasts and leave a review:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/enneagramu/id1691530997 Follow us on Spotify and leave a review:https://open.spotify.com/show/2kbIVeByJn4WDoN3kFlUId?si=65a99542c46a49fa
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