Why Does God Lead Israel Into the Wilderness?

Summary

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Episode: Why Does God Lead Israel Into the Wilderness?

Date: September 22, 2025
Hosts: John and Tim

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Overview

This episode continues the BibleProject's exploration of the biblical theme of "the wilderness." John and Tim focus on Israel’s 40-year wandering after the exodus from Egypt, asking why God deliberately leads his people into the barren wilderness rather than directly into the promised land. The episode reflects on the wilderness as both a place of testing and transformation, as well as a mirror of the human heart’s struggle to trust God, especially in the face of danger and abundance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why the Wilderness? – God as Guide

• God personally leads Israel into the wilderness, not as punishment, but as a formative journey.
  • “God is aware of the limitations of these people…God wants to avoid a war that will make his people want to go back to Egypt.” — Tim [00:57]
• Direct route to the promised land would encounter the Philistines, for which the Israelites were not ready.
• Wilderness is reframed as a training ground, not merely a consequence.

2. The Wilderness in Biblical Narrative

• Wilderness as "midbar"—a domain of danger, scarcity, and transformation.

• The wilderness appears throughout the Bible:

  • Adam and Eve are exiled there after distrusting God.
  • Cain, Hagar, Moses—all experience being driven or led into wilderness for different reasons (personal failure, oppression, fear).

• “God wants and does meet people there, hears their cry, and there can be a spring in the wilderness.” — John [07:44]

3. God’s Careful Guidance and Human Limitation

• God leads Israel the long way because they aren’t prepared to face battle, even though God could have defeated the Philistines as easily as he did Egypt.
  • “It wasn’t about the army. Something. It’s about the people. The people would turn back.” — John [21:04]
• The journey is necessary for a transformation of identity—from slaves to a kingdom of priests.

4. Parallel to Eden & Human Transformation

• The garden and wilderness as central motifs:
  • Egypt—land of oppression but abundance ("someone else's garden").
  • Wilderness—place of lack, where Israel must learn trust and dependence.
• Even after steps outward, humanity is “not ready to be near the tree of life” (i.e., restored to the garden) without inner transformation.
  • “There’s a direct route to the garden, but there is not a direct route to unity with God.” — John [26:10]

5. The Wilderness Tests: Trust Amid Scarcity and Abundance

• Three immediate stories after the crossing of the sea frame Israel’s testing in the wilderness:

  1. Water Crisis (Exodus 15): The water is bitter; God instructs Moses to make the water sweet with a tree—echoes Eden imagery and the tree of life.
  2. Bread Crisis (Exodus 16 - Manna): God tells Israel to gather only their daily portion as a test of trust.
     • “Take only enough for one day. And in Exodus 16:4, God says, Why? So that I may test them whether they will walk in my Torah or not.” — Tim [35:00]
  3. Another Water Crisis (Exodus 17): Again, lacking water, but this time the people's grumbling is seen as "testing God."

• Trust in Scarcity:

  • God tests Israel's response to lack (will they ask, accuse, or trust?).

• Trust in Abundance:

  • The challenge is to not hoard the manna, to restrain themselves in the face of abundance.

  • “He’s trying to form them into a people who trust when there’s scarcity...And then, how do you become the kind of people God wants you to be when you’re dealing with too much good?” — Tim [37:20]

6. What Does It Mean to 'Test God'?

• Testing (from God): Sets up situations to reveal the heart (trust or not).
• Testing (from people): When humans try to force God’s hand out of suspicion or accusation rather than trust or humble request.
  • “By accusing Moses of a secret plot to bring us out here to kill us…they’ve made a conclusion. And that’s called…Why is that called a test?” — John [42:04]
  • Tim reflects that demanding God provide on one’s terms, out of mistrust, is “testing” God in a negative sense.

7. Ten Testings and Literary Structure

• The “testing” stories are arranged symmetrically as meditative, literary units (not strictly chronological):

  • 3 test stories in Exodus, 7 more in Numbers—10 in total, paralleling other biblical tens (like the ten plagues).

• This climaxes with the spies' fearful report and the people's refusal to enter the land, showing the unchanged, mistrusting heart.

  • “The journey in the wilderness has not changed them...They don’t change in the wilderness.” — Tim [54:54]

8. Wilderness as Mirror of the Human Heart

• Despite God’s interventions and presence (pillar of fire, Sinai tabernacle), Israel’s repeated failure to trust exposes deep roots of fear, self-reliance, and resistance.

• The wilderness journey reveals human inability to change on will alone; ultimately, the prophets and Jesus point to a new heart as the only hope:

  • “The promise of the prophets...God will change the hearts of his people. He will take out the heart of stone and put in the soft, fleshy heart…That’s the only solution.” — Tim [58:30]
  • Jesus’ own wilderness testing is foreshadowed as the fulfillment of this hope.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On God’s Intent:
  • “God brings his people into a long season of wilderness wandering. And this isn’t the consequence. This is a training ground.” – John [01:13]
• On Human Limits:
  • “God is aware of the limitations of these people...God accommodates to those limitations and he’s patient kind of guiding them.” – Tim [18:20]
• On Formation:
  • “It’s going to require a formation of their hearts.” – John [21:32]
• On Trust:
  • “This can become a new and different...kind of people who live with a different mindset when they see death coming.” – Tim [21:05]
• On Scarcity & Abundance:
  • “You’re in the wilderness, you’re on a forced fast. Who knows how long it’s gonna last? Who knows if they're gonna last?” – John [30:26]
  • “No matter how much bread from heaven there is, you still feel the wilderness around you.” – John [37:53]
• On Repeated Failure:
  • “It doesn’t go well. It doesn’t work. It’s Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel all over again. The people never...they don’t change in the wilderness.” – Tim [54:54]
• On God’s Presence Increasing the Stakes:
  • “The closer you get back to the tree of life, to the garden, the less room there is to kind of buck against God's wisdom.” – John [56:11]
  • “There’s a lot at stake in whether or not humans image God well and trust in him.” – Tim [56:39]

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Important Timestamps

• [00:05] – Introduction to wilderness as a place of encounter and testing.
• [13:11] – Transition from Egypt to wilderness; the pivotal route decision.
• [17:23] – God chooses the wilderness route "because they weren’t ready for the conflict."
• [21:02] – Discerning the deeper purpose: "It wasn’t about the army...It’s about the people."
• [27:52-31:41] – The triple test: water, bread, and water again; "tree" imagery and tests of trust.
• [35:00] – The bread (manna) test and its implications for dependence and self-restraint.
• [39:02] – The issue of “testing God” by grumbling and accusation.
• [49:00-54:09] – The ten testings and narrative symmetry across Exodus and Numbers.
• [54:54] – Reflection: The wilderness didn't effect the desired change.
• [58:30] – Prophetic hope: The only solution is a new heart—anticipating Ezekiel and Jesus.

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Tone and Language

Throughout, John and Tim maintain their signature engaged, inquisitive, and sometimes self-deprecating conversational style. The tone blends scholarly rigor with accessibility, using analogies (e.g., Karate Kid) and lived experiences (parenting, road trips). They avoid glib answers, often letting the tension or discomfort of the biblical narrative remain.

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Conclusion

This episode frames Israel’s wandering not as mere consequence, but as intentional divine formation, exposing both the need and the limits of human transformation through trial. The wilderness thus becomes both a crucible and a mirror, showing that only a deeper, God-given change of heart can prepare people not just for the promised land, but for true unity with God. The conversation foreshadows later biblical developments (especially in the life of Jesus), linking the old stories with the hope of a new, transformed humanity.

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Next Week Preview:
The journey continues with Deuteronomy 8, focusing on Moses’ final instructions and the dangers of abundance—when the garden land itself can become spiritually hazardous if one forgets radical trust.

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Summary by BibleProject Podcast Summarizer – faithful to content, structure, and tone as heard in the episode.

Transcript

[John]

In the Bible, the wilderness is a lifeless place where death is always right around the corner. And characters find themselves in the wilderness, sometimes by their own choices, sometimes by the injustice of others. But God always meets them in the wilderness with mercy. In today's episode, we continue to explore the theme of the wilderness while looking at what's probably the most famous wilderness stories in the Bible. Israel's 40 year wandering in the wilderness.

[Tim]

Where God has led his people into the wilderness directly and personally.

[John]

When God rescues Israel from Egypt, he promises them a garden land to live in. And here's the thing, he could have taken them directly to that lush garden land, but it would bring them right by the Philistines who live in those coastal plains. And, and God didn't think they were ready to meet them.

[Tim]

God is aware of the limitations of these people. The Philistines inhabited these coastal plains, and the Israelites are going to see that and be like, oh, back to Egypt. God wants to avoid a war that will make his people want to go back to Egypt.

[John]

And so God brings his people into a long season of wilderness wandering. And this isn't the consequence. This is a training ground.

[Tim]

The people have been formed in their Egyptian slavery, and it's as if they need to enter into a season where their identity and mindset as slaves needs to get deconstructed. And he's going to recreate his people to have this new, glorious cosmic identity as a kingdom of priests, a holy nation to represent him to all, all of the nations in the wilderness.

[John]

Israel's trust in God will be strengthened through tests.

[Tim]

Really what Yahweh is after is to deepen the intimacy and the trust in the relationship so that this can become a new and different kind of people who live with a different mindset, even in the face of danger and death.

[John]

Today on the podcast, we'll look at Israel's wanderings in the wilderness as a place where we can learn to live with radical trust. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Hey, Tim.

[Tim]

Hey, John. Hello.

[John]

Hello. We are talking about the theme of the wilderness, the midbar. Yes, we've talked a lot about it so far. The midbar is this domain where humans can't flourish, where life is on a precipice, on a knife's edge, and there's wild animals out there that can get you. There's a lack of water. And it's actually also the place that we learn from Genesis 2, by which God created a spring and everything was created.

[Tim]

It's one way to imagine the nothingness from which creation was summoned from the word in the mind of God.

[John]

Yeah, A dry land without water. And then God created a garden, planted it well, first formed humans.

[Tim]

Yeah, the human. Yeah. Out of that dry nothingness, the dust.

[John]

And planted a garden in this wilderness that's now kind of a wet wilderness because of the spring places. The human in the garden. Live with me in the garden. Obey my command, which is to just enjoy the garden, but don't eat of this one tree. And the humans now, because they've been split in two, male and female, don't trust the voice of God, trust the voice of a snake and decide to eat of the fruit that God said not to eat. And so then are sent out into the wilderness. And in the wilderness is where, I guess, the rest of the setting of the story, the Bible kind of assumes, are no longer in the lush garden that we're supposed to be in. We are now in this period, this domain where life is on.

[Tim]

A knife edge again. And then we meditated on the many reasons why people find themselves in the wilderness in the Bible, and Genesis and Exodus provides multiple, closely connected stories about why and how people end up in the wilderness. Yeah, it's always sad. Yeah, yeah, it's always sad.

[John]

And then it gets more and more complicated. So first it's simply we didn't trust the voice of God. We did the thing we weren't supposed to do. We can't live in the garden. We live in the wilderness. But then out there, Cain takes his brother out further into the field, into the. In the wilderness where no one's there so he can kill him and he's exiled even further off.

[Tim]

Yeah, east of Eden.

[John]

East of Eden. Then God calls this couple, Abraham and Sarah, to leave their land to go to this lush hillside. And there, God's going to multiply them and they're going to be able to have a great family. All the nations will be blessed. And so there's this promise of the seed of a woman who will strike the snake. We're in the wilderness, but we can go back to the garden. And we talked about how the first real story of someone being sent out into the wilderness after Cain and Abel is, or after Adam and Eve really is. Hagar.

[Tim]

Hagar, yeah.

[John]

And Hagar is of no fault of her own. Mistreated, oppressed. And that oppression leads to her, essentially no choice but to flee out into the wilderness. God meets her there by, well, promises her family blessing and hears and listens to her cry. Hears and listens to her cry. Yeah, she's out in the wilderness because of the oppression against her. God meets her there. Then we read the story of Moses who flees to the wilderness because he's worried about the justice of Pharaoh.

[Tim]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[John]

But he killed a man, killed a.

[Tim]

Brother out in the wilderness, out in a field, out in the area where there was no one. Just a lot of sand.

[John]

Yeah, Someone saw him and so they know. And so he flees out into the wilderness. And all these stories kind of come together. Not only are they hyperlinked together, but then in the characters they come together because when Moses goes out, he meets these Midianite women who are of the tribe that has come from Hagar's son, son Ishmael. And he helps protect some of those women. Then he's brought into that family. And so he starts to find a life of blessing of sorts out in the wilderness.

[Tim]

That's right. And then God sees and hears the cry of the oppressed immigrants that are now the Israelites. And it's the Egyptians doing to the Israelites what the Israelites ancestors did to the Egyptian.

[John]

So either by the fault of someone else or the fault of our own, we end up in the wilderness.

[Tim]

Yeah, yep.

[John]

And in both cases, God wants and does meet people there, hears their cry, and there can be a spring in the wilderness.

[Tim]

Yep, that's right. So in this episode we're going to go one step further and we're going to see one more reason why people end up in the wilderness. And this will be a new twist. It's with the same characters from the Moses story, but essentially this time it's God who leads people out into the wilderness, like directly and personally. So it's yet another twist on how people end up in the wilderness. So what we're going to focus on are the moments where God has led his people into the wilderness and there is a crisis of trust and people start crying out like grumbling and getting angry. And it becomes a big conflict between God and his people in the wilderness about the provision of water and food. And these are actually probably the most familiar wilderness stories. If somebody is semi biblically literate, they probably associate the wilderness with the story of the Israelites wandering in the wilderness for 40 years. Yeah, this is the part of Israel's story that gets told and retold many times in the Torah and prophets and the psalms and echoed in the New Testament many times over. So these are well known stories to many. So I want to meditate on the two sets of wilderness stories. But the twist here from where we have been is that God leads them into the wilderness. So first let's kind of catch up with how did God lead them into the wilderness?

[John]

Yeah. And why.

[Tim]

And why?

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

All right, let's start there. So one thing that's important to know about Egypt is Egypt was the place of the Israelites, oppression and slavery. However, it was a well watered and abundant land because of the Nile river delta. And you mentioned you can look on a satellite photo still today and see how lush and green it is in the wide region. And this is how it's been for thousands of years. In Genesis 13, when Abraham and Lot part ways in the Abraham story and Lot lifts up his eyes. We're told in Genesis 13, verse 10, and he sees that the Jordan Valley is well watered and everywhere. And then the narrator says it was like the garden of Yahweh and like the land of Egypt. So the Jordan Valley is compared to the Garden of Eden and Egypt. And you're like, wow, okay, lots of water there. In Deuteronomy 11, Moses says of the land of Egypt that it was a place where people sowed seed and watered it with their feet. He's likely referring to like foot powered irrigation pumps because they would build these big farming operations on the banks of the Nile to pump water up out of the Nile into these, you know, fields and gardens. They would use like foot pumps. Anyway. It's kind of cool.

[John]

That's cool.

[Tim]

So even though it was the land of their slavery, there was a lot of food. Not that they were always got to benefit from all that food, but there was a lot of food there. It's the opposite of the wilderness.

[John]

That's interesting because when I think of slavery, I think of that as a wilderness kind of situation.

[Tim]

Yeah, right.

[John]

But their slavery was in a garden.

[Tim]

Yeah, someone else's garden.

[John]

But it was someone else's garden that they didn't get to have dominion over.

[Tim]

Yeah, yeah. So Moses from where we left him out in the wilderness in the last episode in your summary was that's where God meets Moses, is in the wilderness on top of a tall hill in a tree that's on fire.

[John]

A tree bush out in Midian.

[Tim]

Yeah. And God says, I've heard the cry of my people, I've seen their oppression. And I'm going to send you to go back and confront Pharaoh, tell him to let my people go. There's the whole burning bush conversation. Moses is not really down for this idea, but he goes in the end anyway. He ends up meeting up with his brother Aaron and he goes to the people, his own people, and they believe him. And so they go to Pharaoh. Pharaoh says, you know, who's Yahweh? I don't know Yahweh. I'm not going to let the people go. And that's the onset of the 10 plagues that culminates in Passover. So where we're picking up right now is. Is literally the paragraph after Passover.

[John]

Okay. The night of Passover, 10th plague, Passover night.

[Tim]

That's right. And so it's in Exodus 13:17. It's unfortunate that there isn't a chapter break here, because this is literally the moment that they leave Egypt.

[John]

Okay. It's a new literary unit.

[Tim]

Yeah. Big turning point in the narrative. So 13:17 is the moment they go out into the wilderness. We'll see. It's the first time that wilderness is used to describe where the people are going. And there's this interesting little paragraph here that is so fascinating, bristling with interesting things to think about. So Exodus 13:17. So it came about when Pharaoh sent out the people. So there it is. He sent them out.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

That God did not lead them by the path of the land of the Philistines, even though that was the closer path.

[John]

What path is this?

[Tim]

Yeah. So what we're referring to here, go back.

[John]

We're looking at a map again.

[Tim]

Looking at a map. If you want to get from the Nile delta on a map up to Jerusalem to the land of Canaan. Yeah. The easiest way to go is just to follow the Nile to the coast to the coast of the Mediterranean and then follow the coastal highway. And then just follow the coastal highway. And there's still a coastal highway here today. Yeah, it's the quickest and easiest route.

[John]

Yeah. But in ancient times, route of the Philistines.

[Tim]

The Philistines inhabited these coastal plains of the southern edge of the land of Canaan. So that's a closer way. Yeah, that would be the most direct route. And that is not the way that God takes. It doesn't take him on the direct route. Why? Well, we get a little window into a conversation God had with God self. And he says, well, the people will probably have a change of heart. That's how I've translated it. It's the word Nacham, which is used describe how you need to bring comfort to yourself over the consequence of a decision that you've made. That's unfortunate. Unfortunate consequence, really?

[John]

Yeah, it's a very precise word.

[Tim]

Yeah, it's the word comfort. So you can bring comfort to somebody Else, if something bad has happened. But then you can make it a reflexive to comfort yourself.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

Over something bad that's happened to you or to you. Or that.

[John]

Because of something you did.

[Tim]

Because of something that you did. Yeah. So this is what God does after the flood when he smells Noah's sacrifice. That's the first time that the word is used in the Bible.

[John]

Okay. So the word just generally means comfort, but in different contexts, it could mean you're comforting yourself because you got yourself in a bad situation.

[Tim]

Yeah. Or just something that you did brought an unpleasant consequence, and now you need to comfort yourself over it.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

So this is usually translated in our modern translations as change your mind. This is what God does when Moses intercedes over the golden calf. Oh, God says that.

[John]

This is the word.

[Tim]

This is that word. So now God says the people might Nacham themselves when they see war and they will go back to Egypt.

[John]

Meaning if when they run into the Philistines, Philistines are going to be like, hey, guys. Nope, not this way.

[Tim]

Totally. The Philistines will watch, like, this huge group of immigrants coming up the coastal highway, and it's like, what, prepare for war? Yeah, yeah. So they're going to go meet them in war, and the Israelites are going to see that and be like, oh, back to Egypt. Let's go back.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So God says that's what's going to happen if I take them the short route.

[John]

And that's the way they'll comfort themselves.

[Tim]

And so they will bring comfort to.

[John]

Themselves by turning around.

[Tim]

By turning around.

[John]

Which is kind of a changing of your mind.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

Okay, I see.

[Tim]

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. So what does God do? Well, the Elohim took the people around by the path of the midbar, took them into the wilderness.

[John]

So they took them into the wilderness because they weren't ready for the conflict.

[Tim]

Yeah. Now, ironically, instead of them going into a arena of conflict, of battle, of war, the war is going to follow them because Pharaoh's right after. This is going to be like, oh, no, what have we done? Pharaoh has a change of heart.

[John]

He comforts himself.

[Tim]

Yeah. That he let the people go, and so then he chases after them and tries to make war with them.

[John]

You would have chased them whatever route they went on.

[Tim]

That's probably true. Yeah. But the point is that God wants to avoid a war that will make his people want to go back to Egypt. But the war follows Israelites anyway. And then as we're going to see, the Israelites end up wanting to go Back to Egypt also. Anyway. Because they don't have enough food.

[John]

But is there something here? It's this sense of they need time to prepare themselves.

[Tim]

Yes. Yeah.

[John]

There's a time of preparation they need.

[Tim]

Yeah. This is a fascinating little window into why one is. You could just say it's explanation of why they didn't go the direct route. Well, God says they're not ready. But there's I think something more significant going on in that God is aware of the limitations of these people. He's going to invite them into a covenant partnership and he's going to revive the Abraham promise to bless a people so that they can become a blessing to others. We know at Mount Sinai he's going to role them as a kingdom of priests, a holy nation to represent him to all of the nations. And so God is here aware of like the limitations of the people that he's working with. And God accommodates to those limitations and he's patient kind of guiding them. So they end up in the wilderness because God is being attentive to their needs. Isn't that interesting?

[John]

They need the wilderness is what you're saying.

[Tim]

Well, they're going to enter in the wilderness for a long season.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

And God is the one leading them on purpose into the place where they can't, for the direct route, protect themselves. Where they can't provide for themselves. God's the one taking them into the wilderness. And we're going to meditate on this for this episode and the next one because Moses in particular sees a mysterious divine purpose at work here that actually the people have been formed in their Egyptian slavery. And it's as if they need to enter into a season where their identity and mindset as slaves needs to get deconstructed and recreated. And he's going to recreate his people to have this new glorious cosmic identity.

[John]

It's going to require a journey through.

[Tim]

The wilderness and that requires a long trek through a place where you can't protect yourself or provide for yourself. And God's the one doing that on purpose. But there's also this little note that he's doing it because he's aware of their weakness. Mm.

[John]

They're not ready for the direct route.

[Tim]

Not ready. Yeah. So there's just something to ponder that God doesn't immediately take them to Canaan because here's what we are about to learn. When the war follows them in the form of Pharaoh, God single handedly deals with the armies of Egypt.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Which makes you think like God could have done that with the Philistines.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So, like, what?

[John]

It wasn't about the army.

[Tim]

It wasn't about the army.

[John]

Something. It's about the people. About the people. The people would turn back. Yeah, that's what he says. The people will turn back. They'll comfort themselves. They'll turn back.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

And so what's going to make this a type of people that when they see.

[Tim]

Oh, good, good.

[John]

Something.

[Tim]

When they see death coming.

[John]

When they see death coming, they won't turn back.

[Tim]

Whoa. Yes, that's right.

[John]

Going to require a formation of their hearts.

[Tim]

That's great. Yeah. Going by the coastal route will lead to a collision with the Philistines. And at this point, they'll see death coming in the form of Philistine armies marching with swords and spears.

[John]

They're going to run right back to Egypt.

[Tim]

They'll go right back into slavery.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So God takes them on purpose into the nothingness, right into the waterless region. And turns out an army's going to follow them anyway, and God's going to drown that army in the waters. But them going through that experience ends with them. Chapter 14 of Exodus ends with saying, and then the Israelites trusted in Yahweh. So really what Yahweh is after is to deepen the intimacy and the trust in the relationship so that this can become a new and different. Yeah. Kind of people who live with a different mindset when they see death coming. Yeah. I guess this is sort of like fitting in with this motif, I'm thinking, in stories where you have, like, the young apprentice who's trying to solve a problem in their life. Right. And, like, the sage guru can actually see what they really need. Yeah. You know, but the apprentice cannot. And so the sage guru leads the apprentice on all of these formative experiences. Trials. Trials that actually are teaching the apprentice what they need, but that the apprentice doesn't think it's what they need. It's kind of like that we're in that territory here.

[John]

It's interesting to think about. There's a direct route back to the garden. When we talk about Adam and Eve being exiled from the garden, they're right there.

[Tim]

Oh, so good.

[John]

They can get right back.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

And, I mean, you can imagine the story where God's like, okay, guys, I've given you a week or a month.

[Tim]

Yeah, totally.

[John]

You've thought about it.

[Tim]

Yeah. It really sucks out here.

[John]

The snake's gonna come back again even if I let you back in the garden. Are you ready for him this time? Let's. Let's try. Why don't you come back in? Well, you know, instead, I guess Marie doesn't have time to do that move, because then Cain murders Abel and driven out further east. But the sense of, like, there is a direct route back in, like, the garden is not that far.

[Tim]

Yeah, that's good in a sense. That's right. Yeah.

[John]

But, like, there's something about humanity that it's not as simple as just plop us back in the garden.

[Tim]

Yeah. Actually, that's what God said. He said, now they're like one of us knowing good and bad. So humanity is not yet, given the state that they're in now, they're not yet ready to be near the tree of life. They're not ready for it. They need to undergo some kind of transformation. That's what you're keying in on here, that you're seeing that idea being repeated here with regard to the Israelites. They are not ready to go back into the garden land.

[John]

Yeah. This journey theme was in our redemption conversation. And it's really stuck with me in that we ended that conversation being kind of mystical, talking about union with God. And the point of humanity is this. Humans are not God, we are other, created by God, independent. To then reflect and be God's image and learn to unite with God. And to do that is this process, this journey of learning to unite with God. And what is this journey?

[Tim]

Yeah, journey through the land of deprivation and danger, of lack of protection and provision. Because ultimately our lives were given to us from someone outside ourselves in the first place. And so our lives were never really ours to try and sustain anyway. We just think that we can, and we can for a little while. And that's maybe why it's a real partnership with God. But God's the ultimate provider and protector. And so the wilderness for the Israelites becomes a part of the divine purpose to mold his people into a kind of people who will trust even in the face of danger and death, I.

[John]

Guess, to say there's a direct route to the garden, but there is not a direct route to unity with God.

[Tim]

Oh, wow, that's good, John. I like that. That's right. For that, we have to. There's a process we have to undergo. A process. Yeah. And I guess really the process is about the transformation of our desire. What do I desire more? My ability to engineer my own provision and protection or to trust that my ultimate provision and protection comes from a place outside myself? Okay, so let's hold this. This is what the wilderness tests are all about. Precisely this. And so the Israelites, they just stepped out of Egypt into the wilderness. And not by the direct route, on the long route. And where does it take them? It first takes them to the edge of a huge body of water. And maybe it's not quite right. I'm going to skip over that story. We've talked about God delivering his people at the sea of reeds. Right.

[John]

Let's get through the water.

[Tim]

Yeah. So they go through the waters, which.

[John]

Is a type of wilderness.

[Tim]

That's right. In Exodus 15:22, which is after they sing the song of salvation, we read. And Moses caused Israel to set out from the sea of reeds, and they went out into the midbar, the midbar of Shur.

[John]

This is where Hagar was heading towards.

[Tim]

Where Hagar was headed towards from the opposite direction. She was fleeing from Canaan back to Egypt. Back to Egypt. By which Of Shur.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

They're fleeing from Egypt to Canaan by the way of Shur. And they traveled three days into the midbar. And look, they found no water.

[John]

Did you do a dum dum, dum? Because three days is a testing theme.

[Tim]

Yes. Yeah. Three days is usually a crisis.

[John]

Crisis, moment.

[Tim]

Crisis moment, moment of test. On the third day, it was for Abraham.

[John]

When was Abraham's testimony?

[Tim]

Oh, he went three days with Isaac to get to Mount Moriah. Okay, yeah.

[John]

Three days to Moriah.

[Tim]

Moses. Mom hid Moses as a baby for three months, and then in the third month, she put him in the ark. She surrendered him. So this is part of the accumulating symbolism of on the third day or for three days as being a time of.

[John]

Yeah, or on the third.

[Tim]

On the third. That's right. Yep. So they traveled three days. They didn't find water. So what happens next is 15, 16, and 17. Here there's three stories of crises in the wilderness. First one's about water. Second one's about bread, no bread. And the third one's about water again. So water, bread, water.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

So the first one begins.

[John]

It's a bread sandwich.

[Tim]

That's right. Yeah. It's a weird sandwich. Soggy. Soggy. Well, no, it's not. There's no water, so. Oh, I don't know what you.

[John]

Or is the cracker. We're seeing a cracker here?

[Tim]

Yeah, yeah. Some matzah. So three days in the desert, no water. Exodus 16 begins. They set out and came to the midbar of sin on the 15th day of the second month after they went out from Egypt. And all the community of the Israelites grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the desert. Saying, we have nothing to eat.

[John]

Mm.

[Tim]

Exodus 17 begins. They set out from the desert of sin, and they camped at Rephidim, and there was no water. And so the people quarreled with Moses, saying, give us water to drink. So here we go. Here's the crisis.

[John]

Yeah. They're going to be forced into fasting.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

And when you're fasting in your own environment and you know you can pull the plug anytime you want to. It's still hard.

[Tim]

It's still hard.

[John]

I'm sure it's still really hard.

[Tim]

Yes. Yeah.

[John]

And here they are. They're in the wilderness. They're on a force fast. Who knows how long it's gonna last? Who knows if they're gonna last?

[Tim]

Yep. Three days.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

I mean, that's serious. And then what happens right after this first story is then they come to an oasis and they do find water. And we're just told that it's undrinkable. It's bitter.

[John]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Tim]

So it's like double miserable. Like, first we can't find water, then we do find water, and we can't drink it. So what happens in each of these three stories is there's a moment where God steps in and he invites them to trust. And what we find here is the language either of listening to God's instruction or following his commands. The word trust is not used, but it's kind of implicit in all of this. So in the first story, what happens at the Bitter Waters they can't drink in Exodus 15 is Moses cried out to Yahweh, and Yahweh instructed him about a tree. That's the word Torah as a verb. Instruct.

[John]

About a tree.

[Tim]

Yeah. He gave an instruction about a tree.

[John]

Yeah. Come now.

[Tim]

Come on.

[John]

There you go.

[Tim]

So now it's a crisis for Moses. He's got to figure out what to do with this tree. And we're just told that Moses threw the tree into the waters and the waters became drinkable.

[John]

This is usually translated branch.

[Tim]

Oh, I think so. Yeah. Log or.

[John]

I don't know. It's the word ates, right?

[Tim]

It's ates. Yeah, it's tree. So you were in a death situation, but Yahweh gave instruction about a tree. And that tree becomes a source of life in the face of death because of the obedience of Moses. Way to go, Moses. And then the narrator stops, and he says, there he made for them a rule and a regulation, and there the he seems to likely equal Yahweh made for them, that is for the people A rule and regulation. And there Yahweh tested them and said, if you listen to the voice of Yahweh in itself, double verb in Hebrew. If you. Shema. Shema.

[John]

You listen. Listen.

[Tim]

Yeah. If you listen. Listen to the voice of Yahweh and do what is right in his eyes and listen to his commands and keep his rules, then I won't bring on you any of the diseases I brought on Egypt. I, Yahweh, am your healer.

[John]

Why is he bringing up diseases in Egypt?

[Tim]

Yeah. Ah. What was the first plague on Egypt? It was the Nile became blood and the waters were undrinkable.

[John]

So they're experiencing that plague. In a way.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

But God says, I gotcha.

[Tim]

I gotcha. I can heal the waters, make them drinkable.

[John]

So you're going to come upon all sorts of these crises.

[Tim]

Yeah. In other words, this little story that just happened is called a test. And God gives a rule and regulation, which means this is going to become a pattern of how we relate.

[John]

Yeah. Okay. You're gonna run into what looks like a plague or just a straight up crisis. Plague.

[Tim]

Yep.

[John]

And if you listen to my voice, you follow my commands. I got ya.

[Tim]

I gotcha. I will bring healing, which in this story was God's instruction about a tree that brings life.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

So lots of Eden echoes about God's command about the tree of knowing good and bad to Adam and Eve so that they could stay close to the tree of life, and they didn't. That story was not called a test. But this makes you kind of back reflect to be like, oh, that kind of was that command. Adam and Eve was a kind of test, a test of trust. So that's the water crisis story. The second story is the manna stories, is where manna is introduced. The bread in the wilderness. And here God says, I'm going to rain down bread from the skies on you. And here's what I want. I want the people to gather just one day's portion, not a week's worth. Don't try and grab a month's worth. Just bread of the day. Jesus was onto this.

[John]

In the Lord's Prayer, the daily bread.

[Tim]

Take only enough for one day. And in Exodus 16:4, God says, why? So that I may test them whether they will walk in my Torah or not.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Interesting.

[John]

Hmm. It's another test.

[Tim]

It's another test. It's a little bit different, though.

[John]

This is a tricky test. When you're in the wilderness and there's bread.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

Miraculous bread raining down from the skies.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

It's actually kind of ridiculous not to just grab as much as you can.

[Tim]

I know. It makes all the sense in the world.

[John]

Grab as much as you can.

[Tim]

Yeah. Okay. So let's compare this back to the story where they entered the wilderness. There God said, I'm not going to take them the direct route.

[John]

They're not ready.

[Tim]

They're not ready. So apparently there are going to be some experiences in the mid bar the wilderness that will get them ready to face a wall of soldiers who want to kill them. And one is when you are looking at a desert that's gonna kill you or you're looking at oasis in the desert and you can't drink it.

[John]

Okay, so, yeah, this is really interesting. Side by side, these stories feel like opposites in a way. Like opposite lessons. You're facing water you can't drink and you're thirsty. Trust me, trust my voice. I'll heal the water.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

So you're facing scarcity and famine or like, you know, drought. And then in the next story.

[Tim]

Yes, good.

[John]

They're facing abundance.

[Tim]

Yeah, that's right.

[John]

Like bread has rained down from heaven. It is everywhere. And God says, okay, hold on.

[Tim]

Yeah, yeah. Trust me, don't take too much.

[John]

Just take what you need today.

[Tim]

Just take.

[John]

Yeah, it's like the opposite situation.

[Tim]

That's so good. That's great. That's a great observation.

[John]

Training them in both of those situations.

[Tim]

Hmm. Yes. What to do when you have this.

[John]

Is paint the fence and wax the car.

[Tim]

What do you. Right, so now you're hyperlinking to Karate Kid. Karate Kid we've talked about before with the sage guru who's teaching the apprentice what they need to know, not what they want to know. He's trying to form them into a people who trust when there's scarcity. The manna story is in a larger season of scarcity. But then God gives in abundance. And then how do you become.

[John]

How do you deal with it?

[Tim]

How do you become the kind of people God wants you to be when you're dealing with too much good?

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

But the context for that too much good is what's in reality. You're in the desert.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Like in reality, there's not enough.

[John]

And that's really the way we always experience too much good.

[Tim]

Oh, that's true. Yes.

[John]

Yeah, it's just this fear of like, well, one day we don't have to go too far to realize we're still in this wilderness.

[Tim]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John]

So I gotta, like, store up my good.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

Everyone feels that way.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

No matter how much Bread from heaven. There is. You still feel the wilderness around you, you know?

[Tim]

Absolutely. And even if you have been for a long time, in a season of stability or more than you need, it's easy to think about. But there might come a moment where.

[John]

The wilderness is on our heels.

[Tim]

Creeps in. So I better stock up for. Yeah. This is totally what Jesus is after in the Lord's Prayer. Give us today the bread of today, the bread of the moment. The bread of existence.

[John]

Oh, right.

[Tim]

Remember this? Exoustia epousia. Yeah. The bread of the moment or of existence. But we need bread. But we want to get too much of it in our storehouses so that we don't have to stress out and don't have to trust God. Okay, thank you. That's a wonderful observation. In the story that comes after the manna, and once again, there was no water to drink. Give us water that we can drink.

[John]

The backside of the water sandwich.

[Tim]

Yeah, yeah. What Moses says is, these people are gonna kill me. He cries out to God and he.

[John]

Says, they're so thirsty, they're gonna kill me.

[Tim]

Yeah, yeah. He is really worried.

[John]

I've been there with my kids.

[Tim]

Hangry. They get so hangry.

[John]

Yeah. Or sometimes in the car, you're driving home and everyone's dehydrated and there's no water bot.

[Tim]

Water bottle in the car.

[John]

No water. The car is a nightmare. Yes.

[Tim]

And you're like, dang it. I try to always bring the water bottle. So you've had thirsty hangry.

[John]

Kids who want to are rising up against you.

[Tim]

Yeah. So when the people say, give us water to drink, Moses says to them, why are you picking a fight with me? Why do you test the Lord? Why are you testing Yahweh?

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Okay, so it's this inversion. Yahweh tested his people at the first water crisis. But now the people picking a fight with Moses because of the lack of water, he sees as you're testing God, you're trying to make God force his hand.

[John]

I don't know if I get it.

[Tim]

Well, the word test means trying to create a situation for someone that will expose the truth about them by the choice that they make.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So that's what God did for the Israelites. He tested them at the waters.

[John]

Yeah. Okay.

[Tim]

But now the people are testing God.

[John]

What they should be doing is asking God for water or saying, God, you told us if we are experiencing a lack, we listen to your voice. We're not going to experience the plagues, so tell us what to do. And instead they just Rise up against Moses, right?

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

But by asking God, what should we do? We want to hear your voice tell us what to do. That's not a test. What would that be called? That's testing God. In a way.

[Tim]

This is the moment God, I guess it's just asking. It's ask, seek, knock, as Jesus would say.

[John]

But in both situations, you're putting God in the situation and say, God, show up and do the things that you were going to do.

[Tim]

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's good.

[John]

So if a test is saying, here's the crisis moment, show up. Asking is. What's the difference between asking and grumbling? I mean, I can kind of, you know, you can tell what the difference is.

[Tim]

Here. The narrator then provides the grumble. They grumbled in verse three, they grumbled against Moses and said, why have you brought us out of Egypt? Is it to kill us and our children and all these animals with thirst? You're trying to kill us.

[John]

Okay. So that's kind of the opposite of asking God for help, is accusing God of.

[Tim]

Yeah, accusing Moses. Accusing Moses and by implication, God. You're testing God.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

By accusing Moses of a secret plot to bring us out here to kill us. So it's kind of more. They've made a conclusion. And that's called.

[John]

Why is that called a test?

[Tim]

That's interesting. By their grumbling, they're trying to force Moses and therefore God to prove himself, prove who you are.

[John]

And they're doing it from a stance of, we can't trust you. We think you're out to get us.

[Tim]

Yeah. When we get to the wilderness test of Jesus, we're going to find the same thing with the slanderers invitation that Jesus jump off the highest point of the temple. They'll call it a test, forcing God's hand to save you. And Jesus says, don't test God. I'm not gonna test God. So it's about, in this kind of demanding way, trying to force God into do it on my terms, doing it on our terms. But here they don't even ask God for anything. They just accuse Moses and he calls that testing God. Yeah, it's good. That's one of those things where somehow you asking the question is making me probe at it in a way that I thought I understood it, but now there's things about it that I haven't thought about. So thank you for that. So Moses cries to God and says, these people are going to kill me. And God's response is, in front of all the people, take that staff that you struck the Nile. And this is also an echo back to the first plague when he struck the water and it turned into blood.

[John]

Okay. Do you remember how he did that with his staff?

[Tim]

The previous water story in chapter 15 of Exodus echoed, oh, take the tree.

[John]

Put the tree in the water, the water will become healed.

[Tim]

Healed, that's right. God says, I won't bring on you the plagues of Egypt or the sicknesses of Egypt.

[John]

And the first plague of Egypt was when Moses took his staff, touched the river, river turns the blood.

[Tim]

That's right. Okay, so now the staff, now this story. And again, this is a little symmetrical sandwich. This is the other side. Sandwich. And it is also echoing the first plague. So take that staff that made the water of the Nile undrinkable. And there's this rock that I'm going to lead you to. And God says, I will stand in front of you there on the rock at Horeville, and you're going to strike the rock, and water will come out of it. This is so fascinating. So whatever we're supposed to have in our minds of God being on the rock, so that when Moses strikes it, it's like he's striking God on the rock. Such a puzzling image with lots of important hyperlinks that come later in the Bible. God being a rock, God being the.

[John]

Rock, and then God being the suffering servant.

[Tim]

God the suffering servant being the one who was struck. Yeah, but somehow it was that God's own direction that God is struck. Okay, so Moses did that. And we're not even told that water comes out of the rock. We're just told that Moses did what God said.

[John]

Wait, what?

[Tim]

So God gives Moses the command to go strike the rock that God's standing on. And God said, water will come out of it for the people to drink. And then it just. There's a little summary. And Moses did that in the eyes of the elders of Israel.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

And then Moses, he gave the place two names. He named it test and quarrel, or Masha and Meribah. Because of the quarreling of the sons of Israel, they picked a fight. And because they tested the Lord, saying, is Yahweh among us or is he not? Now there is the cloud and the fire and the pillar.

[John]

Clear signs that he's with them.

[Tim]

Yeah. So they're testing God.

[John]

We haven't talked about that at all.

[Tim]

No, that's a good point.

[John]

Yeah. When we talked about God leading them, not one route, the other, that's happening with this pillar of fire leading them.

[Tim]

By a huge Fire, pillar, cloud. Yeah, yeah. So whatever the test is, they're doubting whether God's among us or not. And so they're trying to force God's hand into providing provision on their own schedule. And instead, what God is trying to do is form them to trust that when they truly need what they need, God will provide it for them in the way and in the timing that God knows. But picking a fight with God and with God's representative, Moses, not the way to do it. Yes. It's no good. So Masah and Meribah. So we got two things. We have the portrait of the people. What feels like man, things are not going well. This is the first little three set of testing stories. And then from here, the people go to Mount Sinai. Sam. So a cool thing, we've talked in the past about the symmetrical macro design of the Torah. Of the Torah, because you have these wilderness narratives, then you have the Mount Sinai narrative that is long, like it's the whole rest of Exodus, all of Leviticus, and then the first ten chapters of Numbers. And that's where God makes a covenant and lists the people. This is the golden calf thing that breaks the covenant through Moses intercession. He repairs the covenant, and then the covenant's back on.

[John]

Also. They got law code and tabernacle covenant laws.

[Tim]

They got a priesthood. Yahweh is in their midst now in the form of a fancy tent that has the cloud over it. Yeah. And then that's the setup as they leave Mount Sinai. Now they're like a sacred army with God in their midst. And that's what all the instructions about transporting the tabernacle and moving in, the arrangement of the camps going out from Numbers. So when they finally leave Mount Sinai, in numbers, chapter 10, the cloud lifted from over the tabernacle, and the sons of Israel set out on their journeys from the midbar of Sinai. Then the clouds settled down in the midbar of Paran. So now they're moving on. And what follows are seven stories that all take place in the wilderness on.

[John]

The other side of Sinai.

[Tim]

On the other side of Sinai. And what's so interesting is the first one in numbers 1033, they set out from the mountain of Yahweh, from Sinai, a journey of three days. And you're like, oh, oh, man, how's this going to go? Is this going to go different? Is it going to be the same? And it's actually neither of those. Ah, it's worse. It's worse. So the first story is just the people become complainers of adversity in the hearing of the Lord. So they're just like, it stinks out here. We don't want to be out here in the mid bar.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So that's the first story. The second story is the rabble, the mixed multitude on who this crew is among Israel. Super interesting. We don't have time, but it's a whole bunch of Israelites who have greedy desires. And they start to say, where's the meat? We want meat to eat. We remember the fish that we ate for free in Egypt. The cucumbers, the melons, the leeks, the onions, the garlic. And now there's nothing to look at except this manna.

[John]

The bread's getting old.

[Tim]

Yeah. I mean, it's new every day, but it's getting old. Yeah. Numbers 12 is where Moses. It's a sibling rivalry story. It's where Moses, brother and sister start to question Moses status and say, like, man, are you really the only one God can use to lead this people and speak to us?

[John]

That's the third story.

[Tim]

Third story. The fourth story is where Moses and the people send the 12 spies into the land. And they see the giants in the land, and so the spies come back, and they're like, nope, nope, we're not doing it. Let's go back to Egypt. They see war. They see the threat of war.

[John]

Yeah. War or leaks.

[Tim]

Oh, good. Okay. So actually, we're back to that moment where they go into the land and they see not the Philistines, but giants.

[John]

Giants. Yeah.

[Tim]

And they see the threat of war.

[John]

Yeah. And they're still not ready for it.

[Tim]

No. And they say they want to kill Moses and go back. Go back to Egypt.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So I think the point here is, oh, my gosh, nothing's changed. Like, this journey in the wilderness has not changed them. They're not ready to go into the land. And so this story is where God, the way that he responds is how long? This is in Numbers 14. God says, how long will this people despise me? How long until they trust in me? So God says, because all of you spies, you. You have seen my glory. You've seen the signs I did in Egypt and in the wilderness. And yet these 10 times, you've tested me and you haven't listened to my voice. And what's interesting is There haven't been 10 testing stories yet. There's been seven.

[John]

There's been seven.

[Tim]

Yeah. But there are three more to come.

[John]

To come in the scroll numbers.

[Tim]

Yeah. So there will be 10 total. But it hasn't happened yet. In narrative time.

[John]

Oh, interesting.

[Tim]

So these seven testing stories are arranged in a chiasm, in a symmetry. Okay. And the spies is the center one, because here's what comes Next in numbers 16 and 17 is another sibling rivalry. It's some Levites rebelling against Moses and Aaron. So this then matches Miriam and Aaron's rebellion against their brother.

[John]

Oh, okay.

[Tim]

Then after that, is the people complaining for water again. And it replays the water stories, both water stories of Exodus, all these hyperlinks. And then it's Moses. He's supposed to speak to a rock the first time.

[John]

He's supposed to strike the rock. He does it this time. He's supposed to speak to the rock, and he strikes it.

[Tim]

And he strikes it two times.

[John]

There's a whole puzzle there, a whole.

[Tim]

Interesting thing going on there. The last seventh story is the people grumble. And this is where the snakes. Oh, yeah. Come out of the wilderness and start biting people.

[John]

Bronze staff.

[Tim]

Yeah. And so Moses makes a bronze snake.

[John]

Okay. So seven stories. The center story is spies going to the land.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

How do you get to 10?

[Tim]

10 is you take the 3 from.

[John]

Exodus, 3 from Exodus that we just.

[Tim]

Read, and you take the seven right here in numbers, you add them all up, and you get to 10, and there's 10 separate stories.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

And that's what God's referring to.

[John]

It's the 10 test.

[Tim]

They've tested me 10 times. But the 10 tests in narrative time haven't happened yet.

[John]

Okay.

[Tim]

It's a good example of how you're supposed to read this collection symmetrically. And so the middle story can refer.

[John]

To kind of the conclusion story.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

So interesting how that happens.

[Tim]

It's a contradiction on the level of literal narrative time. But in terms of meditation, literature, style, that assumes you're viewing this as a block. It makes perfect sense. Isn't that great?

[John]

That is really great.

[Tim]

It's a good example of how the biblical authors mess with chronology to compose literary units according to other reasons than just chronological.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So the consequence is the whole generation that were adults when they came out of Egypt, they're going to die. They're going to wander for 40 years a year for each of the 40 days that the spies were in the land. And the children who the adults said, the giants are going to kill us and take our children as plunder. God says, no, I'm going to lead those children into the land, and they'll get the land that you rejected. So these are the wilderness tests.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

It doesn't go well.

[John]

It doesn't work.

[Tim]

It's Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel all over again. The people never. They don't change in the wilderness.

[John]

Well, that's a bummer.

[Tim]

It totally is. Yeah. And what's interesting is God's responses in the three tests before Mount Sinai was really patient. He did say, like, when are these people ever going to trust me? But he gives them another chance here on the other side of Mount Sinai, it gets pretty severe.

[John]

Yeah, the snakes.

[Tim]

Snakes, Fire, lightning, earthquakes, earthquakes.

[John]

And what's changed? Well, he gave them his own presence in, like, the marriage covenant and the whole thing at Mount Sinai, it's like the garden's gonna come down to them, all this.

[Tim]

It's great.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So instead of them going back into the garden, they're not ready for it, but the garden presence of God did come take up residence in their midst. And it's dangerous. It's God's dangerous holiness.

[John]

Yeah. Stakes are raised.

[Tim]

Stakes are raised.

[John]

You grumble now.

[Tim]

It's like you are cutting yourself off from your source of life.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

You're rejecting the only thing that's keeping you alive.

[John]

The closer you get back to the tree of life, to the garden, the less room there is to kind of buck against God's wisdom.

[Tim]

Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. We're back to that paradox of the closer you get to the source of life, the more intense are the stakes, are the consequences are the crisis becomes more intense.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

There's a lot at stake in whether or not humans image God well and trust in him. And again, you can hear it in God's response, like, how long, like, these people have seen my very presence in the midst of their camp. They saw everything I did to Egypt.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So that's a dynamic here too.

[John]

Yeah.

[Tim]

We've built this relationship and you still don't trust me. And not just they don't trust me, they're trying to undo what God did by killing Moses and going back to Egypt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a downer moment. This is the moment that's recalled in the prophets and the Psalms.

[John]

Grumblings in the wilderness.

[Tim]

Yeah. So thinking forward, there's whole psalms dedicated to retelling the wilderness moments. Psalm 78, Psalm 106, Psalm 95. And this was clearly a defining moment in Israel's memory that the biblical authors, not only do they not want future generations to forget what happened in the wilderness, but they've shaped the stories so that they are Torah, they're instruction. They're trying to give us insight into human nature and the opportunity in front of us, what God wants for us and how we're like our own worst enemy. But when there's not enough and when there's. Yeah, when there's too much. Right. Yeah. I guess we don't need to end this conversation on a. No, on a bright note, if the story is trying to get us to stare at something that's not very happy.

[John]

But what is unsettling about it is we started with the sense of, well, if God just brings them on a journey.

[Tim]

Oh, yeah.

[John]

Teaches them what they need to do, they can be ready.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[John]

And that balloon was popped.

[Tim]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, totally. So I guess we're to the point in the story where the complex, sad reality of human nature is on full display in the biblical authors. And that is a really important mirror to stare at a lot as we read through scripture and is going to send in bright relief. The promise of the prophets of a day when the hearts God will change the hearts of his people. He will take out the heart of stone and put in the soft, fleshy heart that will listen to God's instruction. That's Ezekiel's. He says that's the only solution. And then, of course, Jesus goes into the wilderness for 40 days and goes through his wilderness test. He succeeds. He's the Israelite who succeeds where his ancestors failed. And so that is a moment of ultimate victory. And we'll get there in this series. But I think for now, it's just good to sit in the discomfort of this realistic depiction of our own human nature.

[John]

Thanks for listening to this episode of BibleProject Podcast. Next week, we're going to look at Deuteronomy 8, where Moses prepares Israel to enter the Garden land.

[Tim]

It's a warning for a heart that is not trained to view every moment of goodness as a sheer gift from God. Then there can be such a thing as too much goodness that will deceive your heart and take you places you do not want to go. And in that case, the Garden land can actually be the worst possible thing that could happen to a person.

[John]

Bibleproject is a crowdfunded nonprofit and we exist to help people experience the Bible as a unified story that leads to Jesus. And everything that we make is free because of the generosity of thousands of people just like you. Thank you so much for being a part of this with us.

[Tim]

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