I Can Finally Show You The Evidence

Summary

Podcast Summary: BibleThinker with Mike Winger

Episode: I Can Finally Show You The Evidence
Date: January 28, 2026

Episode Overview

In this episode, Mike Winger delivers an in-depth exposé on Todd White and the culture of "cover up" within high-profile charismatic ministries. Following previous anonymous accusations, Mike now publicly shares extensive evidence, including open letters from former insiders, staff meeting recordings, firsthand testimonies, and direct commentary highlighting cover-up practices, manipulation, and the dangers posed to followers and students of White's ministry. The episode also addresses the complicity of leadership figures who have failed to hold White and similar figures accountable, even after repeated warnings. Winger places special emphasis on biblical requirements for leadership, the responsibility to protect the vulnerable, and the urgent need for transparency and independent investigation.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. The Urgent Need for Independent Investigation

• Mike Winger opens by stating that his ministry is offering to fund an independent investigation of Todd White’s ministry up to $100,000 if they will approve it ([00:00]).
• Rationale: Open, transparent investigation is the only way to restore trust; secrecy, NDAs, and evasions are dangerous for the body of Christ.

"If they will simply approve the investigation, we will foot the bill."
— Mike Winger ([00:22])

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2. Witness Testimonies & Open Letters From Insiders

Four Major Letters (Read in Detail by Mike)

• Robert McKinney (Former CEO/Board Member):

  • Deeply involved; describes White as unaccountable, manipulative, and self-serving ([14:50]—[41:46]).
  • Shares specific incidents (e.g., ministry funds for a protection dog, pressure for first-class travel).
  • Observes ministry transitioned from genuine outreach to control and emotional manipulation.

• Joseph Blodgett (Event Director, Teaching Pastor):

  • Witnessed fear, manipulation, betrayal of trust, and division among staff.
  • Offers public repentance for times he failed to stand up.
  • Pleads for NDAs to be lifted, independent review, and prioritizing the flock over White’s reputation ([41:46]—[49:53]).

• Rashid Salem (Board Member):

  • Recounts initial hope for reform, then shock at systemic deception.
  • Details attempts to bring accountability, the use of NDAs/retaliation, and influential leaders deflecting action ([49:53]—[80:04]).
  • Describes Todd’s association with leaders to give appearance of accountability, but confides, "In practice, Todd has proven to be highly skilled at using scripture for his own advantage, challenging others not to question him, while manipulating and distorting realities for his benefit" ([80:04]).
  • Lists Paul Allen and Gary York as enablers who reversed their stances after pressure.

• Hershey Schaffner (Associate/Teaching Pastor, Director of Power and Love):

  • Provides vivid examples of public versus private hypocrisy, temper tantrums, and unfounded accusations against reformers ([80:04]—[89:25]).
  • Admits his own complicity by remaining silent and offers repentance.

Notable Quote

"I write because silence in the face of manipulation becomes complicity."
— Robert McKinney ([41:32])

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3. Expose of Staff Meetings and Internal Surveys

• Audio evidence reveals staff candidly describing White as the "opposite of Jesus," that “every department has been manipulated,” and “this ministry is not about Jesus, it’s about Todd” ([93:47]—[105:10]).
• Survey of leaders scored White the lowest in accountability and fruit of repentance ([97:49]).

Notable Quotes

"I've yet to see, in two years of being here, him prefer another human being over himself."
— Unnamed Staff Member ([94:31])

"Every department has been manipulated. Every department."
— Unnamed Staff Member ([96:41])

"The only thing I can think of is God. He's the only one that is."
— Unnamed Staff Member on holding White accountable ([100:09])

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4. The Role of Prominent Cover-up Figures

• Patricia King:

  • Publicly defended White post-exposé, warning against “infection” from the video's revelations and questioning the reliability of anonymous sources ([185:56]—[194:23]).
  • Used spiritual language to frame accusations as “accuser of the brethren,” minimizing allegations and suggesting divine opposition to public exposure ([204:43]).
  • Later, her video was pulled, but she continued associations with White.

• Gary York:

  • VP of Lifestyle Christianity, described as a persistent "yes-man" who shuts down whistleblowers and enables harm by enforcing NDAs and controlling access to information ([207:19]).
  • Known for similar cover-up roles, including in previous abuse investigations involving other leaders.

• Paul Allen:

  • Vacillated from calling the ministry “a fraud” privately to publicly raising funds and supporting White ([129:17]—[131:03]).

• Randy Hooper and External Leaders:

  • Brought into accountability meetings, but pressed for resignations and dismissed concerns, modeling the “outsource accountability” tactic ([117:25]—[129:46]).

"None of our boards can hold us accountable."
— As relayed by Randy Hooper on charismatic mega-leader boards ([117:25])

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5. Dangerous Teachings & Physical Harm to Followers

• White teaches against the use of medication, calling pharmaceuticals “witchcraft” and instructing students to throw away life-saving meds and engage in extreme fasting ([158:31]—[170:06]).
• Several examples of students experiencing harm after following these teachings.

Notable Quotes

"I am 100% against the whole medicine factor. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it."
— Todd White ([160:35])

"Logic and reason are enemies of faith."
— Todd White ([164:54])

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6. Timeline of Ministry Turmoil

• 2017: Sean Bolz’s prophecy used for major fundraising (deleted after Bolz scandal) ([54:06]—[56:45]).
• 2019–2023: Mass staff and board walkouts, repeated cycles of bringing in “big name” outsiders, then purging them ([105:10]).
• 2023: Board composition changes; NDAs invoked; outside leaders lean toward protecting White.
• 2024–2025: Multiple failed attempts at reform, public pushback, “cover up” intensifies, even as public evidence grows.

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7. Manipulation, Control, and Self-Exaltation

• White claims miraculous powers, sinless perfection, and unchallengeable authority—contradicted by staff and board testimony ([195:41]).
• Staff describe fear, “manipulation in every department,” and White’s anger/intimidation behind closed doors.
• White’s self-image management (e.g., the chopping of his dreadlocks) contrasted with behaviors reported by witnesses ([139:21]—[142:13]).

"I just want to be known for my love and not my hair."
— Todd White ([140:43])

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8. Calls to Action

• Winger pleads for more witnesses, especially from within charismatic circles, to stand for truth despite risks ([236:46]).
• Announces toddwhitepetition.com for people involved in Lifestyle Christianity to demand dropped NDAs and independent review ([07:38]).
• Asserts willingness to welcome repentance and restoration but insists disqualified leaders must not be returned to ministry ([07:42]).

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9. Reflections on Cover-up Culture

• Recurring Patterns Identified:
  • Boards stacked with loyalists or the leader’s family ([113:00]).
  • Reputation management prioritized over care for victims.
  • Slander and manipulation deployed against those who attempt reform.
  • “Impossible standards” or manipulated biblical language used to dissuade exposure.
  • High-profile leaders shield one another, passing accountability to outside figures who ultimately do nothing.

"Cover up culture is real. It involves big names who sometimes intimidate boards and a rule that boards ultimately cannot control the leader, even though when there's disasters, they're exactly the people who are supposed to do that."
— Mike Winger ([236:46])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Nature of the Problem

"Silence in the face of manipulation becomes complicity."
— Robert McKinney ([41:32])

"When you can't prove someone wrong, you get them on protocol. This is cover up Culture 101."
— Mike Winger ([186:57])

On Board Responsibility

"It is your responsibility, according to the laws. It is the 501c3 responsibility, the board, to make sure that not one man can go rogue and do what he wants to do in real life."
— Unnamed Staff Member ([112:54])

On Medication & Reason

"I hate it. Logic and reason are enemies of faith... I am in rebellion against logic and I am in rebellion against reason."
— Todd White ([165:00])

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Timed Segment Guide

| Time | Key Segment | |------------|--------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–07:38| Call for open investigation/Intro to evidence | | 14:50–41:46| Reading of Robert McKinney’s Open Letter | | 41:46–49:53| Joey Blodgett and the call for accountability | | 49:53–80:04| Rashid Salem’s testimony and attempts at reform | | 80:04–89:25| Hershey Schaffner, culture of fear/manipulation | | 93:00–105:10| Staff meeting recordings, culture exposed | | 117:25–129:46 | External leaders' involvement (Hooper, Allen)| | 139:21–142:13 | White's manipulation of public image (hair) | | 158:31–170:06 | White’s anti-medication, dangerous doctrine | | 185:56–194:23 | Patricia King’s public defense/Cover-ups | | 204:43 | Spiritualization of exposure, “Accuser of the Brethren”| | 221:25–236:46 | Examples of Todd’s inconsistent testimony |

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Concluding Takeaways

• Mike Winger closes by reaffirming biblical priorities: defending the vulnerable, enforcing true accountability, and holding fast to Christ as the foundation—not charismatic personalities.
• The episode issues a resounding warning against cover-up culture and the idolization of leaders in the church. Winger appeals to those still inside to step forward and to the wider body to pursue truth, grace, and courageous reform.

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“If nothing else, I hope you will acknowledge that cover up culture is real and has to be dealt with. The way it can be dealt with is with transparency, accountability, courage, and a commitment to normal people – not just leaders.”
— Mike Winger ([89:25])

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Resources Referenced

• toddwhitepetition.com – For those affected to demand accountability and independent investigation.
• The full Cover Up Culture video series on BibleThinker (YouTube).

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This summary was structured for clarity and depth, capturing the episode’s key themes, detailed testimonies, strategic timestamps, and the original, direct language of the speakers as per the request.

Transcript

[Mike Winger]

This video simply would not have been necessary had even a fraction of the leaders who know about Todd stood up and just made some noise. It was almost one year ago when six insiders in Todd White's ministry came to me asking me to help them blow the whistle and warn the body of Christ about Todd White. A lot has happened since then and it has led us to this moment. My ministry is offering to pay. This is a serious offer, up to $100,000 for an investigation, independent investigation into Todd White's ministry. If they will simply approve the investigation, we will foot the bill. If it's a proper good independent investigator with a good goal in mind, we will pay for it. By the end of this video, you're going to understand why this is needed because I have a bunch of new evidence. I have multiple witnesses going on the record with their names, which is what you guys have all been asking for since my video months ago on Todd White. And this is Todd White. Todd White is known for his healings. He is known for the supernatural life.

[Todd White]

I have Woke up for 11 and a half years in love with Jesus, live free from sin or the want to sin. I've lived with a clean conscience for 11 and a half years and I haven't violated it. I haven't lied one time in 16 years about anything ever. So I've honestly, I've been saved for 18 years. I have not lied for 18 years. I haven't had one day of guilt or shame. Every day I get to cast out devils. Every day. Every day I get to see the sick healed every day.

[Mike Winger]

Unfortunately, he is a fraud and he's a very real danger to others, which I'm going to demonstrate in this video. And major charismatic leaders have been covering up for him. I'm going to talk about all of that today because it's part of the overall issue of COVID up culture in the Charismatic Church. And I know some of you are thinking, but Mike, it's not just in the Charismatic church, guys, I never said it was, but these are the witnesses who came to me and the issues are in a unique way especially bad in this movement. And I want to help it. I love you guys. I'm rooting for you and I believe in the Charismatic Church that you guys can recover from this. And I'm hoping that other groups, denominations and gatherings will learn the lessons from this that can help them deal with their own issues that they have to bring health into the body of Christ. And any skeptic or cynic watching this video thinking, see all Christians are like this. Maybe. May I remind you that these are Christians who are coming together to call this stuff out. Christians that are gathering in rising support around the world to say, yes, let's deal with this dirty laundry. Let's fix things, because we want to really honor Christ. It is believers who are dealing with their own dirt here. And I hope that that is some encouragement to you, some witness of the truth of Christ to you. All right, let's talk evidence. I've got four open letters. Open letters written by people who are high up in Todd White's ministry. Major players. They're all coming out with their names on the record. They want to expose Todd White for who he is. Why? Because they want to stop him from hur. Their hearts are breaking for those who are being harmed by Todd and by the bad people who are propping him up and covering for him. I also have video footage that I'll be sharing with you guys. Video footage of Todd White doing stuff. I'm going to get into a lot of details. I meant to share this before, but I had to rush because Todd was sort of endangering my original video. And I had to push it out as quick as possible before it could be stopped. I also have a recorded staff meeting where Todd White's own staff in meeting is talking about how disastrous he is and how they really need help. But nobody can stop this man.

[Todd White]

I have yet to see pa, in two years of being here, make a decision to prefer another human being over himself. So I have never seen him serve another man or woman. That this ministry is here and people.

[Mike Winger]

Are here to fulfill what is in.

[Todd White]

His heart, that he is here to serve those and is the absolute opposite.

[Mike Winger]

Of what Jesus said.

[Todd White]

Every.

[Patricia King]

Every.

[Todd White]

Every department has been manipulated. Every department. That's why it's so hard not to see that this ministry is not about Jesus, that it's about Todd. The staff are hurt. I've been talking to some students.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

Students are hurt.

[Todd White]

Students are hurt.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

Everybody's hurt.

[Todd White]

As a ministry, how are we going to handle these students? Because they have questions. Yeah, they're not coming to school anymore. I talked to a student today. I said, how are you? He says, I'm still scared. Yeah, it's a student. This is a ministry. I don't want you to answer, but sorry. Okay. This is a school that's ministry. I'm pissed off. This is one of my interns. Yeah, I've been with him for three years. The first thing he says is, I'm scared out of ministry.

[Mike Winger]

School. Seriously.

[Todd White]

My Other intern tell me she doesn't want to walk in the building. What are we going to do?

[Mike Winger]

I have years worth of evidence and it includes involvement from leadership from Bethel and involvement from what appears to be an emissary from Rodney Howard Brown, Randy Hooper and individuals even like Patricia King getting involved and running cover up for Todd. I've got all kinds of stuff to share with you guys and I do so hoping that it brings positive change. I'm also going to be sharing evidence and I hope that this lands with people is that Todd White has taught people things that endanger their physical lives. That in his school or under his influence you may be taught things that lead you to throw away life saving medications and just do like a 40 day water fast all of a sudden as a, as a way of like sort of chasing after healing. That this is some sort of contract deal that you have to chase after. You have to make it happen. That kind of impression.

[Todd White]

I am and do 100% believe that the word pharmacia is translated as witchcraft. So I am 100% against the whole medicine factor. I hate it. I. I hate it. I hate it.

[Mike Winger]

I hate it. I hate it.

[Todd White]

I hate it.

[Mike Winger]

I hate it.

[Todd White]

I hate it. Logic and reason are enemies of faith. Reason and logic war against faith. But I am in rebellion against logic and I am in rebellion against reason. I am sounds like I am against medication. Yes. John G. Lake said throw your medicine in the toilet and apologize to the toilet. So there is a violence that you have to actually grab this thing and go after it and come against everything reasonable, everything logical.

[Mike Winger]

I am going to play video footage of this and you can decide for yourselves. But I think that this is, this is the reason why these videos are needed. It is not about the leaders guys. It is about the followers. It is not about the bigwigs. It is about the normal people who in mass are being impacted in negative ways by somebody like Todd White and the people who prop him up. The victims of these guys need to no longer be a footnote when you think of Todd White. You need to think of the people he has hurt, not just him. So I plan on exposing the players behind the scenes. I'll give you some names real quick. Who have covered up for Todd White his sins or they have kept his own board from holding him accountable or prevented it. You know, they've taken steps and some of those names are Gary York, Patricia King, Paul Allen, Randy Hooper and others I will get into as well. I'll talk about how Todd White is connected To Steve Koko, the predator of Panama, who I already did a video on, who prays after young women. And this situation's ongoing, even right now, because Steve Coco, as I understand it, is ramping up to jump back into ministry, talking about restoration and stuff. And he's currently pursuing a young woman. That was the last news that I heard. And so it needs to be. We need to make this connection with Gary York and Todd White and Steve Koko so that we can help Central American churches realize this is real, guys. This is real. Don't believe the lies of Coco. You need to protect people from this man. I'm also going to respond specifically to a video from Patricia King where I did my Todd White video which had anonymous witnesses. Then she did a video that was really bad. Total cover up culture project, in my opinion. And I'm going to respond to that.

[Patricia King]

He said, the accuser of the brethren is coming with fury.

[Mike Winger]

Before we get into it, I have one final thing I want to share with you, which is a few little caveats. This is not about unforgiveness. Any of these leaders can be forgiven. I would champion their forgiveness in Christ. If there's true repentance, and that is a big, big word, not just true I'm sorrys, true repentance. If they demonstrate it with fruit, it doesn't mean they'll step back into leadership. That's an individual case situation. Like Todd, I would champion your forgiveness if you really repented. I would want to make sure it's real though, because I don't trust you. But I would not champion you back in ministry. You're done. You're done. You need to stop. I personally would not champion that. But I want you guys to know this is not about an unforgiveness or an angriness or a bitter spirit or something like that. You also shouldn't shout out the failing of every pastor. Most pastors and churches are not like this at all. Todd is the exception, not the rule. And the COVID up culture stuff, this is the exception, I think, not the rule. There's so many pastors that are godly serving Jesus and they honestly need more support and prayer and encouragement from the people and in their circles and from their local churches. And so please keep that in mind. Go thank your pastor if he's a good one. However, ongoingly abusive leaders need to be taken down and they need to be taken down by the body of Christ. It should happen on the local church level. If it doesn't, it can lead into big problems, especially when they have big giant worldwide ministries like Todd White. I'm also announcing, and this is super important, the Todd White petition. Now this is on toddwhitepetition.com a website we created just for this. This is where people can sign to make two requests. Two public requests with signature requests are that Lifestyle Christian University and Ty White, that they drop all their NDAs, that they immorally are hanging over people's heads and that they give permission for there to be an independent investigation which my ministry is offering to pay for. I will not do this with other investigations. I've only offered in this one situation. But you can check it out on toddwhitepetition.com we already have multiple signers even though the website's not public yet because some insiders have just gone ahead and passed it around a little bit. These are only people who have had actual real connection to Todd White and his ministry. Even three or four of these signers is really significant. So we'll see how many we have by the end of like a week or two after this video goes public. I would like to see more Lifestyle Christian University people signing. I'm going to read to you what it says here. The purpose of this site is to allow those who've been part of Lifestyle Christianity community to seek accountability through a third party independent investigation of Todd White, Lifestyle Christianity and lcu. We invite anyone who's been affected to call for an investigation so that there can be clarity around the allegations pertaining to Todd White. And then you have the petition right here. You can click it, you can sign it, but the issue basically is drop the NDAs and approve an independent investigation. So this website's not for everybody to sign. It is specifically for people connected to Lifestyle Christian University so that it is the cry of your own people asking you to approve this. And you cannot say that you can't afford it because I have offered to pay for it. And Lifestyle, you guys need to respond within a month to the petition that we're offering here. If Todd is innocent, certainly an independent investigation would reveal that. If the evidence that I have brought and the witnesses that I brought forward were not telling the truth, an independent investigation would exonerate Todd and would show the world that your guys ministry is pure and righteous and good. And the money part is already taken care of. So there's no real good reason not to do it. So what brought us to this? How did we get to this point in time? Well, In April of 2025, I exposed Todd White. I had had numerous people Reach out to me from within his own ministry. And they said, mike, will you help us? Nobody else will help us. Will you help us tell our story? They were a little bit suspicious of me, which I understand. And I listened to their stories and I interview them, and ultimately they came up with 25 bullet points of things they wanted to tell the world about Todd. I had six witnesses, all of them deep insiders with Todd. These are people that had all been to his house. A couple of them, he'd said they were his best friend. He had done ministry with them for a very long period of time. For a couple examples of the things that they were claiming. They said that Todd is a hypocrite who lies constantly. Not sometimes continually, including from the stage. He's lying from the pulpit. He lies about donations, and he uses money for stuff he shouldn't, which would be an illegal thing. I hope the IRS looks into. He uses God's name in vain and gives fake words of God, words of knowledge from God. Oh, God, show me this. But they know where that information really came from, and it wasn't from the Lord. Someone just told him that kind of thing. He embellishes stories and he pressures people into sharing testimonies that can be recorded. Yeah, these are a big deal because that's the center point of his ministry, is these miracle stories. That's how he took off. It's the testimonies. And it turns out he's got machinations for this, according to them, on how he gets those testimonies that bring in the views and bring in the money, and eventually resulted in him having a huge worldwide impact. And according to them, he's all about the money, the reputation, the clout. I go through the details of all this in the video. We give some examples of specific situations, and we go through 25 bullet points. And that ultimately went viral. Okay, the video's got over a million views already. It ultimately went viral, and that should have been the end of it. You know why? If you were involved in Todd White's ministry and you saw that video, you know it's true. You do. If you're at all involved for any length of time, if you're a newbie, if you've been around for three months, maybe. No, but. But the old timers all know it's true. They know he's lost multiple executive teams. They know that Bethel was brought in to help fix him, and he kicked them out and wouldn't listen to them anymore. They know that Todd White is a disaster. They know these things about him. And so you don't need more than just getting public knowledge about it and then going, hey, lifestyle, why don't you do what's right about this? But instead, it didn't happen. That wasn't the end of it. In fact, not one major leader has taken public action to provide accountability. And I was hoping at least somebody would. They would just tweet out, hey, guys, these things are true. Todd should be sat down from ministry, but none of them did, except one guy, Robbie Dawkins. I'll play a little clip. When he came out and he shared some of his story, and he talks about why he did as well. You recently signed the document from Mike Winger on the things for Todd White. Right. There's a lot of those stories that I know personally. You sign that document, and you're probably one of the people that's most recognizable that signed it.

[Todd White]

There's a bunch of these that I could attest to, you know, that I could say, yeah, that happened, and I saw it happen, and I confronted it. You know, I confronted him with it. You know, you don't want to air out dirty laundry or whatever, but when it comes to the point where you have so many people that are being hurt, and then on top of it, you have the biblical things that are just so far off. It's interesting, in Mike's thing, talking about the fasting and all that stuff, there was a. I witnessed stuff like that. I saw that type stuff. You know, don't try to make everybody think it's water fast when you know you're making smoothies in your hotel room. The problem is, a lot of these people that. That were under these NDAs are friends of mine, and I know their stories. Not because they've told them to me, because I was there witnessing it. I saw it.

[Mike Winger]

In case you guys hadn't noticed, in this particular video in the Coverup Culture series, I'll link below to the whole playlist, which I feel lame linking to a playlist like this. It's terrible. All terrible videos. You know what I mean? They're terrible in the sense that it's terrible that they even need to be made. But what I want to do in this video is highlight the NDA issue. We are again requesting that they drop all the NDAs because Todd White is holding these NDAs over people who he said he loved and cares for, who would like to just speak truth and hold real, true accountability, and he will not let them free from these NDAs. I would have more witnesses public right now. If it wasn't for Todd White's NDAs. So yes, Robbie Dawkins has come out. He's the only one that I know of, at least. Surely there may have been more and I just wasn't aware of him. But the leaders who should have come out, the people who knew all about Todd behind the scenes, they're not a whisper from them. In fact, instead what we got was Todd took basically a paid vacation. He's still doing events now. He's got 12 cities this year. He's touring around, including Puerto Rico. He's still doing his school. And I believe those students are in spiritual danger. And Patricia King came out and did a video covering up for Todd White. I smile because I get to talk about it today. And it was such a good example of COVID up culture that I'm going to get to show you guys. So you can see it's not just in Mike's wild imagination that this stuff is happening. So my sources were anonymous at the time. Now they won't be. And it was easy to just attack me and ignore the evidence presented, ignore the sources, just go after Mike Winger. And so she did. Patricia King went after me hard. Well, that's not going to work. And in fact, it's going to backfire today. But let's get some names on the record here. I'm going to go to the open letters, The first of which comes from Robert McKinney. Allow me just to read it to you. There's going to be a lot of reading right now, but all of it is incredibly important and valuable. We need to get these facts on the record. To whom it may concern. My name is Robert McKinney. I first met Todd White around 2007 or 2008 at a Randy Clark Voice of the Prophets gathering. From that moment, I believed we had begun a lasting friendship rooted in a shared passion for Jesus and revival. Over the years, my involvement with Lifestyle Christianity became daily and deeply personal. My wife served as financial chief officer while I served as board member, vice president, chair of the board, and eventually as CEO. During a season when massive staff walkouts had left the ministry in crisis. I accepted that role not out of ambition, but out of love for the ministry and a desire to help stabilize it during a time of great need. At first, I believed Todd needed mentorship and accountability. But over time, it became clear that he did not desire counsel. He desired compliance. What he valued most was not truth spoken in love, but agreement. That was something I could not offer. Now I want you guys to understand that Robert McKinney was deeply, deeply connected to Todd. Todd lives in the house that Robert McKinney built. Todd was given much support from Robert McKinney and even when other people were walking out on him, Robert was doing what he could to try to help keep Todd going, believing in him, believing that he was just a flawed leader that needed some help and assistance. It is only after much, much prayer and thought that he decided to go forward. And you have to understand this is like best friend material for Todd. He called him his best friend. So these are significant things for him to come out and share. So I'm going to read on. In the letter he says Response to Allegations I'm writing in response to the letter publicly read by Mike Winger several months ago, with which I largely agree. Since that time I have received numerous requests to address allegations surrounding Todd White's leadership at Lifestyle Christianity, including the false claim that I or others attempted to take the ministry from him. Let me state this clearly, those allegations are untrue. No one I served with ever sought to steal Lifestyle Christianity. Our only desire was to see the ministry walk in. Integrity, account, accountability and truth. And this will be shown even more as I play more. I'll play some clips and some stuff and then I'll share more with you guys. It'll be shown more and more. But this was one of the primary allegations. The primary allegations against the people trying to expose Todd was you're trying to steal the ministry. You're going to hear more about this as we go. None of it was true. It was never true. This was a lie said about people who had been hurt so that Todd could keep hurting people. That's what this was all along. And he was getting away with it and did get away with it for a long time. Intent and Motivation when questions are raised about leadership, it is often easier to portray those raising them as adversaries rather than friends. My intent and the intent of those who served alongside me was never to harm Todd or the ministry. We loved Lifestyle Christianity and wanted it to flourish under godly, healthy leadership. In the early years, I witnessed Todd's passion for evangelism, prayer and outreach. I do not deny that God used him to touch lives, but passion without accountability can become dangerous, and over time, that danger became reality. The Shift toward control and Manipulation the turning point came after the purchase of the Watauga Building. What began as a ministry of vision slowly transformed into an organization centered on control. By the way, the purchase of that building was connected to a Sean Bowles prophecy, which I will play later On Todd White raised a lot of money from the Sean Bowles prophecy, or so it seems. I'll play it for you. They've deleted it. They've hidden it, but I have a copy. Robert goes on and says, decisions once made through prayer and counsel were increasingly driven by emotional pressure and manipulation. Loyalty to Todd began to outweigh loyalty to truth. A consistent pattern emerged. If you agreed with him, you were anointed. If you questioned or disagreed, you were labeled rebellious or religious. Tears, guilt and spiritualizing language were often used to wear people down until they surrendered. And what we mean here is Todd White would use his tears and guilt. That's how I understand Robert. Todd White would sob and cry and he would guilt super spiritual language. And you'd be like, I prayed all night and God showed me this and how do you fight against that? So you just really, really strong pressure. He's a tenacious guy when he wants to be. One moment I will never forget involved a proposal to spend $20,000 of ministry funds on a personal protection dog. I voted no, believing donors would not want their contributions used in that way. I had already seen concerning spending patterns. Over $80,000 for an unused in house studio and over $30,000 for personal landscaping and privacy features. That's ministry money being used. Used for his landscaping and privacy features. That night, well after 10pm Todd came to my house, emotionally pressing me to reconsider. The conversation wasn't about stewardship. It was about submission. I felt cornered and deeply troubled. That disagreement was being treated as betrayal. We also asked Todd to fly coach on short domestic trips to help reduce ministry expenses. He refused, insisting that first class was necessary for his sleep machine. This response did not align with our request. It was not about international travel, but short domestic flights. Imagine saying for your two hour flight you need first class for your sleeping machine. Weird. There were other troubling patterns. Todd often invited individuals from across the country to come run with him. Those of you who saw my Sean Bulls video remember the come here strategy. I remember a man from California who arrived after being told he was needed for marketing. We already had a full marketing team. The man went home the same day, disillusioned and confused. This became a painful pattern. People drawn in with promises then discarded when they no longer served a purpose. Private conversations as leverage. And please stick with us for the whole video. Guys. There's a lot of information here that needs to come out to build a thorough case about Todd because his own will not hold him accountable. That's the reason why we need to Gather all the evidence and the testimony of many witnesses. And in revealing this one situation, it is going to be tied into the broader issue of COVID up culture in the charismatic church. Private conversations as Leverage Todd frequently shared private information about marriages, donors and ministries, things no leader should disclose. At first I assumed these were shared for prayer or counsel. But over time, it became clear that such conversations were being used as leverage, not out of care. I mean, I've heard secondhand stories that came from Todd that were slandering other big ministry people. He's been on stage with decisions made without counsel. Now this gets to a really important point. In April 2020, Todd announced from the stage that lifestyle would start a church. He just announced it from the stage that the whole ministry, they're going to start a church. Neither I nor the board nor the leadership team had been informed. He said, God told me to start a church. One of Todd's favorite phrases, it seems, is God told me because how do you are you with God told me. Years later, after his service, he admitted that the decision came from boredom and a desire for platform. He was bored because it was 2020 and Covid had locked everything down and there weren't speaking engagements. It was heartbreaking. Once again, spiritual authority had been invoked to justify personal impulse. When God told me becomes a tool to silence discussion. Spiritual manipulation has replaced discernment. Other examples include requests for the ministry to cover personal daycare costs, preaching honorariums directed to him personally rather than to the organization. I can say I spoke with a missionary where he did this. He asked them to rewrite the check that they had written to the ministry, which was the arrangement they had, and he said, write it out to me. So to someone else who said that Todd was getting speaking engagements and instructed them not to let his ministry know that he had these speaking engagements because he wanted the money himself instead of sending it through the ministry as they had agreed. So where am I preaching honorariums directed to him personally rather than to the organization, and international trips described as urgent assignments from God that turned out to be paid speaking engagements each blurred the line between personal benefit and ministry stewardship. I could list countless examples, but I've chosen just a few to highlight a clear pattern. And thank you, Robert, for doing that. Personal wounds and disillusionment Robert says I did my best to serve faithfully. When Todd asked me to come to become CEO and vice president, I accepted because I hoped to bring structure and healing. I encouraged counseling for the leadership team. While some temporary progress was made, lasting change never followed. Promises were made repeatedly but rarely kept. This is part of where you have to realize the difference between a leader who's really changing and one who's just negotiating to continue on in power. And it seems as though that is the direction that Todd goes. The deepest wound came in 2021. Shortly after my son passed away, my wife, then serving as cfo, called Todd to share the news. He cried briefly and then abruptly shifted the conversation and said, guess what? You'd be so proud of me. In that moment, what should have been compassion became self promotion. It revealed how disconnected things had become, how empathy had been replaced by performance. I don't know if you guys ever had this happen where you know someone for a while and you assume that the care you have for them is the same kind of care they have for you. And then one little thing happens and you go, oh, you don't have that care for me. And your eyes are open to it. And this was Robert's moment. False accusations and retaliation. Before stepping down, I told Todd many times that I was willing to resign if it would help the ministry. Each time, he pleaded with us to stay, often in tears, saying he couldn't do it without us. We believed him. But when we later attempted to hold him accountable, following the Principles of Matthew 18, he rejected correction while he was away on vacation. Rather than pursuing reconciliation, he turned to lawyers and loyalists. We'll learn more about this. That's when the accusations surfaced that we were trying to steal his ministry. We'll learn a lot more about this. The narrative was false and deeply painful. Years of loyalty were rewritten overnight. Manipulation, once used privately, became public. You see these leaders, their clause have to come out against the people who try to hold them accountable. And you're stealing my ministry is a big one. Or you're just jealous of my ministry. You're just trying to destroy the work of God. We're trying to follow Scripture. Scripture tells us that the elders who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all that the rest also may fear. It tells us that in Matthew 18, when you get to the end of that three step process, you tell it to the church and you let him beat you as a tax collector, as a sinner. The Bible actually tells us to do these things. It also tells us to receive the testimony of multiple witnesses. Unless you have like, you know, if there's, if there's corroborating evidence, if there's multiple witnesses, if there's all this stuff, you have to listen that's biblical, we're required to. So let's read on in the letter. Lack of reconciliation and accountability. Since that time, Todd has never reached out to ask forgiveness for the false accusations made against me and others. You guys, this is months late. This is months after my video. Still, he's not even reached out to ask forgiveness for those things. To this day, Todd's understanding of forgiveness seems to stop at the words I'm sorry. Without the humility to ask, what can I do to make it right? Genuine repentance takes ownership and action. It requires admitting that the accusations were false and fabricated, designed to protect a need for control and to surround himself only with those who would never challenge him. Until that acknowledgment comes, reconciliation remains impossible. And I agree with this. This is a good, healthy Christian attitude. There's no real acknowledgement of sin. There's just, I'm sorry, can we get over it now? That's not the same final appeal. I want to be absolutely clear. No one I served alongside ever sought to steal lifestyle Christianity from Todd. There's a slight typo there. Sorry guys. Our desire was for the ministry to thrive in transparency, humility and integrity. I do not write this to destroy or discredit anyone. I write because silence in the face of manipulation becomes complicity. That is such a good line, Robert. I write because silence in the face of manipulation becomes complicity. And part of COVID up culture is all those who know about it and who could speak up and protect people like Robert from false accusations, like the students in Todd White School, like the other people who he manipulates and hurts all the time. But you choose not to. You have the power, you have the knowledge, but you choose not to. And that silence puts you in the category of COVID up culture. It's a culture that covers up for leaders who shouldn't covered up for. Robert continues. I still remember the Todd I met years ago. Bold, passionate and sincere. I believe God can still restore him, but without repentance, accountability and humility. I do not believe the ministry will be safe, a safe or healthy place for those who serve or give. My prayer is that Todd will embrace true repentance and accountability so that healing can come not only for him, but for everyone who has served, given and trusted this ministry. Only then can lifestyle Christianity become what it was always meant to be. A place marked by truth, humility and love. With sincerity and conviction. Robert McKinney that's just one letter. I've got four of these to read. All from significant leaders who had significant roles in Todd's ministry and they know what they're talking about, you guys. Many, many people complained to me because of my video before where I didn't have the names on the record. I had six witnesses. I confirmed behind the scenes. I corroborated their stories. I double checked things. This is what you're asking for. This is what you've got. Now we're going to see if anything happens. All right, so let's, let's look at the next letter. And keep in mind there's timestamps down below if you need to move around in this video for any reason. This one comes from Joey Blodgett. Joseph Blodgett was, and I'll just read the letter to you. He'll introduce himself to you and why this is very significant that he's coming out. An open letter to Todd White and Lifestyle Christianity. My name is Joseph Blodgett. I served as the event director at Lifestyle Christianity from September 2017 to August 2019, then again from July 2021 to May 2022. I also served as a teaching pastor at Lifestyle Christianity University from August 2021 to May 2022. You know what this means? Event director means that he's the guy planning Todd's traveling events. This is like was the core of Todd's ministry. Stuff is these power and love events where he would go out and he would do stuff and they had other things he did too. But it was a big deal. And Joey's here directing those events. So obviously he's deeply connected. He's a teaching pastor at the university, Todd's university. He says, I write today because I believe the church deserves leaders who embody integrity, humility, and fidelity to the gospel. Scripture is clear that those entrusted with pastoral leadership must be above reproach, trustworthy, gentle, and exemplary in conduct. And I'll just mention you guys, it's 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1, 1 Peter 5. We could read other passages as well. This is what the Bible requires of us. This is Christians just trying to follow Scripture. What I observed during my tenure, during my time at Lifestyle Christianity, I directly witnessed patterns that in my view, fell short of biblical leadership. These include fear and manipulation, teachings and tactics that, in my view, fostered division and confusion among staff, students and volunteers. Abuse of trust, personal or marital struggles shared in confidence were at times repeated or mishandled in ways that betrayed pastoral responsibility rather than offered redemptive care. So it is tight lips around Todd White and his issues that's required in his circle here, but not his tight lips regarding other people and their struggles and the pastoral things that they've had to have come to him for help with. I've talked to a number of witnesses who talk about how Todd would backbite and slander people behind their backs, seemingly because he was, like, intimidated or jealous that those people might influence the people he wanted to influence. Cultivation of division. Individuals were at times turned against one another through misrepresentations and untruths. I can give examples, but the letters will give other examples on this regard. So Todd White ultimately, it seems, goes out of his way to make stuff up so that you will distrust the other people around you. These are not isolated impressions. The recent open letter signed by numerous former staff leaders and board members, closely mirrors my own experience. And can I say, he was not one of the original signers. He came afterwards and was like, hey, this is all true. This is all true. Like others, I experienced betrayal of trust, emotional isolation, and spiritual manipulation. In my view, such patterns contradict and are inconsistent with the teachings of Christ, the fruit of the Spirit, and the standard for biblical leadership. And now we get to something that I was really grateful that Joey did. He says a personal word of repentance. As I call for accountability, I must acknowledge my own failings. Those who served under my leadership, staff, students and volunteers, I deeply apologize for the times I failed to confront destructive patterns, chose silence over courage, or did not adequately shield you from harm. As both shepherd and teacher, I was responsible for more than events or instruction. I was charged with protecting those entrusted to me. I fell short. I humbly repent and ask your forgiveness. And I think that's beautiful, Joey. I'm so grateful for you sharing that. I think that, honestly, that same statement should probably be echoed by other people who have been in that same circle. And it's like, it's not all over for you guys. Doesn't have to be all over for you guys. But recognize that you had a duty of care, not just a duty of lead. You had a duty of care, not just a duty of holding up Todd's arms. There's important things, and Todd is not the most important person in the room. No, we're all in Christ. We all have the image of God. We all are indwelt by the Spirit. It's every one of us that's incredibly valuable, not just the guy that draws the crowds. My hope for the future of lifestyle Christianity. I once shared a close and meaningful relationship with lifestyle Christianity, and I still believe in the redemptive potential of its mission, if rightly carried out. My hope is that the organization will take the following steps. Amen to this release. Number one Release all former staff and employees from non disclosure agreements NDAs to allow for open, honest testimony without fear of reprisal because NDAs are standard operating procedure for Todd White. Number two commission an independent third party investigation to ensure impartial accountability and transparency. My ministry is offering to provide the finances for that as long as it's correct. As long as it's a good investigation. Like it's not some trick. Number three Prioritize the care and well being of the flock above brand protection, reputation or personal loyalty. I have yet to see anybody do that in the videos and circles that I've called out so far. I'm hopeful, eager, at least at the time of recording this video. I'm hopeful and eager to see anybody do that, stop doing PR and start serving Jesus and those people with transparency and vulnerability and not trying to control everybody else. These requests are not rooted in bitterness or resentment, but in a deep conviction that the body of Christ must be safeguarded from spiritual harm and that leaders must be held accountable to the standards they proclaim. My goal in sharing this letter is restoration, not destruction. However, restoration requires genuine repentance, accountability and transparency, especially from those in leadership within the church. Grace and peace Joseph Blodgett, Former Event Director, Lifestyle Christianity Former Teaching Pastor, LCU. And the next letter is from Rashid Salem. Now Rasheed was a board member of Lifestyle. A board member. Todd was in his house. He was in Todd's house. He was deeply involved. He was brought in to try to help fix the ship because Todd keeps ruining the ship. He keeps starting dumpster fires in his own ministry because of his crazy behavior. This is what Rashid To Whom it May Concern the following statement reflects my personal opinions and lived experience based on my interactions and involvement with individuals and organizations connected to Lifestyle Christianity. This statement is shared solely for purposes of personal clarity and expression. It is not intended as a legal claim accusation or disclosure of confidential or privileged information, but rather as my individual perspective on events as I understand them at the time. And you guys can understand why this part of the paragraph was included. Todd, it seems, is the kind of guy that would sue you. My name is Rashid Salem and I served as a board member of Lifestyle Christianity for approximately eight months. This statement is not meant to attack a man or a ministry, but arises from a moral and biblical obligation to speak after first hand experiences and direct involvement with Todd White and Lifestyle Christianity. I was also an original contributor to the Open Letter to the Church, later read publicly by Mike Winger My purpose is to bring clarity and further legitimacy to that letter and the 25 claims listed. Additionally, my hope is that the broader culture of silence and lack of accountability that allows harmful behavior to persist would be challenged by those who know the truth but continue to do nothing about it. I say this because of countless people that came through lifestyle throughout the last seven plus years and know what Todd is about, but left quietly instead of warning others and his students that look up to Todd as their spiritual leader. There is a certain amount of culpability when you just bail. You can leave a church because you have differences, you can leave a ministry because you have some differences and you're changing life. But if they're an ongoing danger to others, you have to make noise. You have to protect the people around you to the best of your ability. You can't just walk away. But walk away is what happened for year after year after year for Todd White and his ministry. Who knows? He could have been stopped many years ago from hurting people, but he has piled up the damages and harms he has done to the body of Christ and now to the name of Christ. As these things go public because they simply will not deal with it the way they should, well, hopefully this gives them no reasonable other option. These concerns are not based on speculation or gossip, but on documented facts and first hand experiences from those closest to Todd over many years. This statement represents a last resort after repeated unsuccessful attempts at accountability and it is intended not for destruction, but for the protection of the church and a call for biblical accountability. I believe it was nine months ago that my video was made, which again was a last ditch effort after all kinds of attempts of accountability were made and we still give nine full months and he's just going to chug along like nothing happened. And his cronies that are still supporting him are either super naive and not fit to be in a position where they're in that kind of leadership, where they're knowingly supporting this wicked man. I don't know of a better option. I hope that there's repentance and there can be forgiveness, but we got to face the music and what's really going on here. Rashid goes on and says, in the summer of 2023, about six months into my board tenure, I became increasingly concerned and attempted to initiate internal conversations regarding what I perceived to be a troubling pattern of deception, lack of transparency and absence of accountability in Todd's behavior. I had originally joined the board under the impression that Todd was under legitimate spiritual Authority In a 2021 phone call, Todd told me that Dr. Michael Brown was part of his board of spiritual elders and he frequently referred to Dan Mohler as his spiritual father. These statements led me to believe that respected leaders were actively affirming him and providing oversight. This is commonly suggested in cover up culture. There's always trust me, board member. You're the guy that's supposed to hold me accountable, like legally as far as I can tell. But trust me, there's this other guy you'll never get to talk to. He's holding me accountable. Just shop it out to him. That's what often happens in these settings. We originally reached out to Dr. Brown because of a video we saw of him with Justin Peters in which he publicly defended Todd. And we thought it would be helpful to have someone of his reputation and caliber involved in helping us hold Todd accountable so they reach out to Dr. Michael Brown. Hey, will you help us out? Will you help us hold Todd accountable? However, Rashid says, after Speaking directly with Dr. Brown, I learned that he was not serving in the role Todd had described and in fact had no close relationship with him. On the call, Dr. Brown Let us know that he had also spoken the previous week with former lifestyle Christianity leadership with whom he had a close relationship and they confirmed the same testimony we were sharing. So Michael Brown knew about Todd, at least at that point. During the call with our group, Dr. Brown stated that we had the moral obligation to alert the church body to Todd's behavior and he immediately removed a recent podcast he had recorded with Todd from his website. Our purpose in contacting Dr. Brown was to seek his wisdom on how to best address the situation with Todd and whether he could play a role in bringing accountability. He explained however, that he was in the midst of his own investigation and unable to intervene. A few weeks later, toddlers allegations against Dr. Brown himself became public. And those who follow my content probably may have seen my video about Dr. Michael Brown in that situation. Very sad, Very, very unnecessary and forced. Because of the continued attempts at damage control and cover up regarding Dan Mohler, it is widely understood by those close to both men that he has no active role or authority in Todd's life. Does the public know this? You need to know this. Dan Moeller doesn't have that role in Todd's life as much as it may look like he does on stage. According to witnesses. From what I have been told by ministers close to both men, Dan has repeatedly said that Todd must come to his own revelation. Yet Dan continues to do events with him and this year he's Doing more events with Todd, lending his name and reputation in ways that make many believe the ministry is legitimate. Having heard some of the issues, he is still declined to meet with people who want him to hear the realities of what Todd does in an attempt to possibly bring intervention. Dan Muller, why won't you talk to them? Spiritually speaking? This is my commentary, not someone else's. Spiritually speaking. Dan Muller, you have responsibility with Todd. He literally echoes your message. He literally copies you. He's like, copies your mannerisms, even. And he says you're a spiritual father. He says, only me and Dan Muller are the only people in the world teaching this message. And it's. It seems as though you have some responsibility to do something about this. I think that you should, and it's unfortunate that you haven't. So hopefully you will in the future, and we will hope for that and look for that. But Rashid has nice things to say about Dan as well. And I want to put this out there. So do a lot of people, okay, I don't know Dan at all, but a number of people have been like, man, I really respect that guy. He's very real, so let that be out there. Maybe it's an Eli's son situation, you know, at any rate, Rashid says, at the same time, I want to give Dan the benefit of the doubt because I know how good Todd is at manipulating and how Dan's heart is to believe the best. Living at a distance, the issues are also less visible to him. Let's keep that in mind. We're just saying, Dan, please, will you follow up? Will you meet with some of the actual victims and some of the different people and find out what's going on and spend some time on this, because Todd has used your name quite a lot. Taken together, these realities left me with the impression that Todd may have invoked their names to create the appearance of being under spiritual authority when in practice, he was not. Again, it's not like Todd's. Like he actually is under Dan Mueller in that sense or is under Michael Brown. But he did make it appear that way, which brings them into it. Because of this, I initially assumed that holding Todd accountable and upholding biblical integrity would not be among my primary responsibilities as a board member, especially given the message he preaches on purity and righteousness and the caliber of leaders he suggested were supporting him. Prior to serving as a board member, I was a donor to Lifestyle Christianity. I gave believing I was supporting the advancement of God's kingdom, particularly through street evangelism and power and love events over Time, however, I came to the conviction that much of what I supported was not advancing the gospel, but sustaining Todd's personal lifestyle and ego driven ventures, including costly facilities operating far below capacity and significant ongoing personal expenses borne by the ministry. I would welcome Todd publicly proving this perception wrong by making the ministry's financials available from the last decade, allowing others to discern for themselves whether it is good soil and whether they should continue to support it. Can I just say a word to those who have donated to Todd? You may want to follow up on this. I think you really should, and I don't think you should give Todd your trust as you do. You're going to want to see the evidence of what's really gone on there. Over time, it became increasingly clear to me that access, quote, unquote friendship and kind or generous treatment were often tied to what someone could offer Toddlers, whether financial support, a vacation home or personal services. If he believed you could benefit from him, he was unusually kind and attentive. If not, you were often dismissed or disregarded. This perception was later reinforced by numerous testimonies I heard from others describing similar experiences. This culture of transactional relationships felt deeply inconsistent with the heart of true ministry and appeared designed more to protect Ty's image than to cultivate spiritual integrity. One of the traps with following Todd and Power and Love is that many people assume Todd and Dan Mohler are alike in character. Because Dan is known for humility, contentment and a lack of materialism, people often project those same traits onto Todd. Todd has been able to leverage his association with Dan as a kind of COVID continuing to use Dan's name and reputation to quiet the growing concerns about his own life and ministry. Tragically, because Dan has had such a profound impact on many, and again, I've heard wonderful things about Dan. Never looked into him at all. I've just heard people voluntarily giving some wonderful statements about Dan Muller. What's the full story there? I don't know. I have no comment on it. I want to make sure to communicate to you guys the truth of what or the reality of what people have said to me so that you have the information, because it's just gonna. We're just shining a light on this. It's time for the lights to be turned on to see cover up culture for what it really is. I, along with countless others who served at Lifestyle, extended that benefit of the doubt for many years, striving to believe the best, as First Corinthians 13 calls us to do. But in practice, Todd has proven to Be highly skilled at using scripture for his own advantage, challenging others not to question him, while manipulating and distorting realities for his benefit. I will play clips and footage of him doing this. You'll get to see the Todd White crash out after my video. You will get to see exactly what he's talking about.

[Todd White]

And we don't look at this book as the manual for life. We look at YouTube as the manual for life. You better teach your kids or YouTube is.

[Mike Winger]

I can personally affirm that the 25 items listed in the open letter are grounded in the experiences of numerous witnesses and in my view, represent only part of the broader pattern due to the NDAs. Due to NDAs sensitive relationships and prior legal threats. Yeah, From Todd. Implied threats from Todd. Many additional accounts have not been shared publicly. And several contributors request an anonymity out of concern for their safety and ability to withstand potential legal action. Their testimonies were essential to the letter, and presenting it anonymously as a group was done to protect those involved while allowing the concerns to be raised. So this was why we did it anonymous. It was because of legal threats, because of fear, because we would have lost a number of witnesses because of these types of things and thought, okay, I'll protect your guys identity. And we went through. We only shared stuff that would hopefully not reveal who they were, which meant we were very limited with what we could actually say. It was a very limiting thing. Then this happened. Rashid says about a week before the video was released, a public post by Mike Winger drew Todd's attention. I announced that I was making a video on Todd, after which we were informed that efforts were made to identify those providing information behind the scenes. I didn't anticipate Todd was going to be calling everybody up and hounding people and trying to track down who it was to stop them or encourage. At least that's what it looks like. Okay. As pressure increased, we chose to release the letter earlier than planned in order to protect those involved and prevent potential intimidation. See, I had to rush that last one out. That last video came out like within a day of me finding out Todd's calling people. We were worried people were going to back out. We were worried Todd might do something and if I got the video out, there would be no point, no reason for him to go and try to stop these people or harass them because it would be too late. So I just put it out there. This time I get. I took my time and I get to include a lot more information. When I became involved in the ministry, I found that it was teetering on bankruptcy and plagued with instability. Driven by the impact that power and love had once had in my own life, and despite the significant demands of managing multiple businesses and caring for a growing family, I chose to dedicate two to three hours a week working directly with the executive team. This commitment was made out of love and a genuine desire to help evaluate what was broken and to pursue a sustainable path forward for both LCU and Power and Love. So he's coming in to fix things because Todd's already burned his house down multiple times in the past. And he's one of the like replacement guys, right? He doesn't know yet that people left because of Todd's being insane or whatever, you know, his problems, but instead he comes in great heart. You know what? Guys like Todd get around themselves. Oftentimes not at all. Sometimes it's people who are full of pride and desire the same power and money that Todd does. But a lot of times it's these really sincere Christians who just really want to help out and they want to see God do great things and they just believe that the things that Todd's saying are all true, he says. In the process, I observed what I consider to be a toxic culture marked by irreverence, lies, manipulation, exaggeration, and troubling. A troubling disconnect between public image and private reality. Staff members themselves often resorted to cynical jokes as co as coping mechanism for what they were experiencing. That is, Todd is not the same in private as he pretends he is in public on stage. Over the years, as I became more personally acquainted with Todd, additional troubling patterns emerged. While I was not on staff or in regular proximity to him, we did have periodic one on one interactions during which he often confided in me. Many of these conversations included what I perceived as inappropriate gossip about other ministers, often following relational or professional separation, as well as noticeable inconsistencies in his accounts over time. What's surprising to me is that these letters, they all mention a lot of the same things. That's significant, okay? We have the testimony of multiple witnesses, putting their names out there, even knowing that they will receive backlash for this, there will be backlash in their lives for this. Because there's people who believe even if everything Rashid's saying is true and he's still evil for doing this, and they're convinced of that and nothing will change their minds. Now he talks more about money. One example was when I gave him money for a medical vest. He said he urgently needed it due to congestive heart failure. This was a very public event that Todd had major issues with his heart. The vest was never purchased. Not long afterward, he acquired a Can Am recreational vehicle worth tens of thousands of dollars. Since then, I have heard from others that he received financial gifts from multiple people regarding the same vest situation. So he took in money, reportedly from multiple people for a vest he never purchased, and he gets this expensive, unnecessary recreational vehicle. That's sus. I cannot personally confirm those accounts, but I trust that if those individuals read this statement, they will be aware of what they gave and how it was represented to them. While I have heard of other situations where Todd raised money under manufactured emergencies, this particular instance is the only one I can personally verify. You see, here's the idea. We don't need everyone to make videos about this stuff. But those of you who know Todd, those of you who gave money, you need to start talking to each other, and you need to find out the truth of what happened with your money. I was informed by staff that Todd had repeatedly shared a false story about my testimony. This is weird, but this is Todd White claiming I had been a devout Muslim who came to Christ through lifestyle Christianity videos. So Todd's oh, oh, Rasheed. Oh, yeah, he's on my board. He's helping me out. He's a. Was a devout Muslim who came to Christ because he saw the videos. And then this, of course, is a great testimony that might inspire more donations or inspire a higher perception of Todd and his anointing and God's calling on his life. Right. Rashid responds and says this was entirely untrue. Todd knew my testimony well, and I had been a Christian for many years before ever encountering lifestyle Christianity. Realizing that he was willing to distort or invent personal stories to enhance his image and reputation was a deep, deeply troubling to me. While others have shared similar experiences, I'm speaking only to my firsthand experience, which led me to recognize a recurring pattern and removed my ability to continue giving the benefit of the doubt. We're going to see Patricia King give Todd the benefit of the doubt. Later on, I was also informed by staff that Todd had blocked off Mondays on his schedule. And this is weird. And I wonder what happened. Telling them he would be with me receiving golf lessons from a golf facility I'd taken him to. So he tells his people, every Monday, I am with Rasheed and we're getting golf lessons together. And this is what Rashid says in response to this. To my knowledge, this occurred no more than five times. If I'm recalling Correctly. Beyond those limited instances, I'm not aware of why Todd represented his staff, that he was with me every Monday during that time. What was Todd doing on those Mondays? He's just supposed to be with Rasheed. Where are you going? Why are you telling people you're gonna be with this guy then? Where do you even go? What are you doing? Who are you connecting with? What's going on there? Is it nap time or is it something nefarious or is. What is it? I don't know. Someone else knows. Another concerning example involves the prophecy Sean Bowles gave about the building that Lifestyle currently owns. In 2017, Todd publicly presented Bowles's words as prophetic confirmation that God had miraculously shown him the property as a future training center, a narrative that was widely promoted in ministry videos and articles. This story became a powerful fundraising tool and donations were given under the belief that the building was part of a divine promise. Those of you who watched my Sean Bowles video know Sean Bowles has been exposed as a fraud, as a liar, and as a sexual deviant who was abusive, who was, whatever you want to call it, sexual harassment towards his employees in a domineering fashion. I went through all that stuff, okay? It's huge. Five and a, almost six hour video. That same Sean Bowles gave a word to Todd White that Todd White used for fundraising. I have that word. I'm going to play it for you guys. I'm going to play the video for you. And know this, that inside the building, Todd had put up like a. Like a display that included this word from Sean Bowles. It was a fundraising thing.

[Todd White]

This is Todd White and I just want to thank you so much for watching this.

[Mike Winger]

You're welcome, Todd. Thank you. I just want to point out that this has been deleted. This prophecy has been deleted off of Todd White's stuff. It has been deleted off of Sean Bowles's stuff. It still exists in an old post, sort of on Sean Bowles's Facebook page Sept. 3, 2017, where he plays this for other people to see it too. But the YouTube video is gone. It has been taken down, is not available anymore. But I have a copy. And here's what happened is I was sent this copy and I just found out. So let's find out more about the Shambles prophecy and how that relates to ultimately manipulating people and making rash decisions while claiming it's God.

[Todd White]

We're standing here at a site that we believe is going to be the future home of Lifestyle Christianity.

[Mike Winger]

This is a 36 acre campus located On a. You can see this is a pretty large facility located on a seven lane.

[Todd White]

Highway between Dallas and Fort Worth. The property is over 200,000 square feet as a place for pastors and ministry leaders from around the world to come and receive valuable.

[Mike Winger]

That's Robbie Dawkins. Do you know that just about every leader that's featured in this video promotion for Todd have walked away from him and are no longer part of his ministry because of who he is.

[Todd White]

You know, you don't want to air out dirty laundry or whatever, but when it comes to the point where you have so many people that are being.

[Mike Winger]

Hurt anyway, here he's trying to say that this is going to be a place where leaders can come and be trained. Because Todd White wants to take himself and reproduce his own type of ministry amongst leaders around the world. This is one of his goals.

[Todd White]

World to come and receive valuable training on how to replicate this lifestyle and their churches and their ministries.

[Mike Winger]

Already on campus is a Christian elementary and high school, a football field with stands, a baseball field with seating, a.

[Todd White]

Basketball court, an indoor track, playground. God can provide and pay off the center. Even before we move in. It would take about $19 million to do so. We are now in a place where we need $19 million.

[Mike Winger]

So they need 19. $19 million. That's the agenda, that's what they're asking for. And here we're going to get to the Sean Bowles prophecy. This is where Sean actually gives a prophetic word that is now being leveraged to do fundraising. I told you guys this in my Sean Bowles video. Sean's prophetic words create funds because that's just the nature of what happens in the movement. You have a prophetic word, you tell your donor about it. They're excited about what God's doing. So then they feel they have faith in your project and they donate significant amounts of money.

[Todd White]

And I'm asking you to help and come partner with us. I would like to not have bills each month to do this, except for maintenance bills and the prophecy that we had from an amazing man that I'm really close with. His name is Sean Boltz.

[Mike Winger]

Really close with. Let's keep that in mind. Really close with. Is he really. Would he say that again today? Was he really close with him? Patricia King says she's really close with Shawn in one video. And then after he falls, she calls him a ministry acquaintance.

[Patricia King]

Clarifying my relationship with Sean. I was never officially connected to Sean through a ministry board, accountability structure or oversight role. I had never been to his personal Home. Nor did we have a close personal relationship. Our connection was primarily that of ministry acquaintance. Seeing one another perhaps once or twice a year at shared events. It is our blessing to have Sean. Sean bolts with us. He's been a dear friend for how long, Sean? Many years. I mean, even before we were even in media. He was a brave soul. I think you were a teenager then, weren't you? Like I was a little long time ago. It's really quite amazing. What God is doing in him through you and your prophetic mantle is amazing. I really want us to welcome this awesome man of God and a good friend of our house. Come on up here, Sean. We love you. Our connection was primarily that of ministry acquaintance. He's been a dear friend for how long, Sean? Many years. I mean, even before we were even.

[Todd White]

In media, he prophesied that a miracle gift was coming and that a campus was going to come. When Shawn brought that word, I was so touched because it was exactly what was in my heart. And I felt like God was saying.

[Mike Winger]

Over your team that he's bringing the.

[Todd White]

Dream team around you.

[Mike Winger]

So the dream team that God was bringing around him, they're pretty much all gone because they say, who is this guy? What is going on? And many of them have reached out to me and asked me to help expose him. And I would say that they are more of a dream team now than ever before. And I feel like God said, there's.

[Todd White]

Land for you, and it's not small.

[Mike Winger]

There's multiple buildings on the land, and it'll be bigger than you need when it comes.

[Todd White]

And it's not 10 years out.

[Mike Winger]

It's very soon. I mean, did Sean just know that he was looking at a property? Did he get inside information? Then he turns around and prophesies it back to them, and then it gets leveraged. That seems likely to me. That seems a plausible theory to me. We don't really know exactly, but what ended up happening was not good. And that's part of what Rasheed was trying to help save them from was this disastrous decision.

[Todd White]

And God said, I can trust Todd and this team, so I'm going to.

[Mike Winger]

Allow these people's hearts to open to release a gift. Benefactor is coming alongside of you guys. So there you go. Then there's a little spot where you guys can donate. This was used and leveraged to raise a lot of funds for Todd White. When Sean Bulls later started getting exposed as problematic as having some issues, even though it was just the tip of the iceberg, that's when Todd instructed them to remove all of that data from any location they could, and I was still able to find this video, thankfully. But it is prophetic manipulation. If you use a prophecy that you are then later hiding from people as a way of raising funds and causing people to make life decisions, it's not okay. That's not any kind of accountability. And prophecy without accountability will always lead to fake prophets running the church. Rashid goes on and says, it is my belief that the decision to purchase the property was driven primarily by by Todd's own ambition, and that the bull's prophecy was later leveraged to encourage giving by framing the purchase as something God was doing. Because people genuinely desire to give toward what they believe is the work of God. As I do too, this narrative resonated deeply with supporters. The property was ultimately acquired for nearly $20 million despite carrying millions in deferred maintenance, having only a handful of staff members to support it, and lacking a realistic plan for its use. As the consequences of this decision became clear, the ministry was teetering on insolvency under the weight of the facility and Todd's previous reckless spending. The financial strain was communicated publicly to those who attended the building and heard Todd preach, including repeated references to the high cost of expenses such as electricity. During my tenure, I worked closely with the CEO to structure multiple real estate transactions in an effort to generate cash flow and lessen the financial burden and the building had placed on the ministry. So the building wasn't full. So the dream didn't happen. It ended up being a disaster. That appears, at least to me, to have been driven by one man's ambition and another man's other ambition was fake prophecy. And then we get to the COVID up part with Sean Bowles. In 2021, Todd directed his team to remove Sean Bowles's books from the Lifestyle Bookstore and delete related content about the prophecy from his platforms. Although I was not aware of this at the at the time, I later learned of it from multiple individuals within the ministry. No public clarification was ever made, allowing the original narrative to remain unchallenged and supporters to continue believing it. In my view, this reflects a broader issue within charismatic circles where uncomfortable truths are discussed privately among leaders, while those who give, serve and sacrifice are rarely fully informed. Does this not sound like the whole shambles situation and what Bethel did, at least up until the recording of this video? We'll see what happens next with them. Todd White had a moral obligation to warn people. He had a moral obligation to tell his donors and supporters, hey, that word we need to know where it came from. None of that was done. None of that was done, nor would it ever be done. Todd White's not going to do that. But we can add Todd White onto the list of leaders who, it seems, knew about Sean Bowles at least by 2021. After months of inquiry and growing concern, in 2023, both board and executive team members initiated a process to pursue much needed correction and accountability for Todd. These are people on his own team saying, you are out of control. You need to be changed. You need to deal with yourself. These efforts arose in the context of concerns that extended beyond what any one individual could independently confirm and with the belief that greater transparency would ultimately serve the truth. Every person involved in this process acted out of love for Todd and a sincere desire to see him healed and restored for his own sake, his families, the ministries, the students, and above all, the name of Jesus. I have some evidence about what was going on around this time. I'll share with you later. Unfortunately, Todd refused accountability. Instead, he positioned himself as the victim, accused us of trying to take the ministry from him, and instilled fear of legal retaliation. Let me be clear. No one involved ever wanted to take the ministry. The sole desire was to do what was right. In my opinion, based on the persistent dysfunction and lack of accountability, the ministry should be shut down. Todd is biblically disqualified as a leader. Many in the local Dallas Fort Worth, Texas, church community are aware of the chaos surrounding him, and numerous pastors and leaders in the area have already distanced themselves from lifestyle Christianity. Then we get to the call. This is a very, very important moment here. In early August of 2023, a multiparty call arranged by Paul Allen, a board member, I will address later in this letter took place involving members of the board, outside leadership, and additional witnesses in an effort to bring accountability and help to the situation we were facing with Todd. Randy Hooper participated in the call and stated that he had spoken with Rodney Howard Brown, offering what he presented as Pastor Rodney's perspective and expressing an interest in seeing how he might help address the situation. Guys, if this feels like a whirlwind of information, just hang on, okay? I'm going to go through the timeline, all this stuff. I'm going to read these letters, then we're going to go through the timeline, and you're going to get to hear exactly what happened on this call. During the call, we outlined the ongoing issues involving Todd White, the history of prior attempts at resolution, and the seriousness of the situation, including the fact that a significant number of staff members had already left. Our hope was that this outside involvement might bring clarity and accountability where internal efforts have failed. Now, I would say that this is typical in these circumstances. It's always, what big wig leader, can I get involved so that they might help me? As you're feeling like you don't have the authority or have the power even though the board does, that is their role. You are the ones who are supposed to hold them accountable. That is your job. But it's typically shopped out to other bigwig leaders who end up just telling the board to retire or quit or submit, and then the corrupt individual just stays in power. That happens a lot. During the call, we outlined the ongoing issues involving Todd White, the history of prior attempts at resolution, and the seriousness of the situation, including the fact that a significant number of staff members had already left. Our hope was that this would. Our hope was that this outside involvement might bring clarity and accountability where internal efforts had failed. During the call, Randy stated that it appeared that the board was attempting to take over and question why, if the situation was as serious as he described, we did not simply resign. I'll talk to you guys more about this conversation, but there's important details that we need to go over. We explained that we believed the concerns involved issues. We explained that we believed the concerns involved issues of character and integrity, including patterns of lying, manipulation and a love of money, and that we felt a moral and spiritual responsibility to take action and seek to protect others. Randy also stated that he had reviewed legal options, which led us to perceive that there may be a defensive posture forming rather than an effort toward accountability. That is just quit, maybe you'll get sued. That seems to have been the subtext of that conversation. Despite acknowledging that the bylaws were in the board's favor, meaning that they have the right and ability to take him down, and moral responsibility too, I would add. He continued to press for our resignation, which felt less like an effort toward resolution and more like pressure to step aside. I'll tell you guys more about Randy Hooper later on. After the call, it became clear that there was no viable path forward for accountability as the board had shifted to a 3 to 2 alignment in favor of Todd. As a result, we ultimately stepped away without resolution and without believing that the issues had been meaningfully addressed. Oh, man, there's super important details. He's laid the groundwork. I'll get into that call and how it fits in the whole timeline of Todd White and the drama of his ministry as we continue in this video later on. You can skip to the timestamps, if you want, I can personally confirm that the board consisted of five voting members. Now, what he says here, I question the legality of it. It certainly seems morally wrong. Two of whom, two of his five boarding members were Todd and Todd's wife to vote on whether Todd would continue in ministry. You don't get to vote on your. My wife is part of my ministry, okay? She handles a lot of the financial stuff behind the scenes and she doesn't get to vote on. She's not a voting member and she certainly couldn't vote on things involving me. Like what is Mike's paycheck going to be. My wife wouldn't get a vote on that even if she was a voting member. Certainly no guy can vote on himself staying in the ministry. You have to recuse yourself from that vote. So Todd and his wife both vote for Todd to stay involved. And also Paul Allen. Paul Allen. We'll learn more about Paul Allen, another board member, not Gary York and myself. Unfortunately, the current board members have since played a significant role allowing Todd to continue to serve himself. Gary York, the vice president and to my knowledge, likely again a current board member, has been reported by others, authors of the original letter to have acknowledged that Todd is dishonest while expressing the belief that it is his role to protect or to cover for him. Do you hear that? This is cover up culture. Paul Allen. He votes along with Todd and his wife to keep Todd in power. It seems from the influence of the powerful and influential Randy Hooper, ostensibly there to represent Rodney Howard Brown of all people. We have Patricia King who covers for Todd after my video comes out. And here we have Gary York who according to witnesses Rashid says expressed the belief that it is his role to protect or cover for Todd. Gary York, one of the goons of COVID Up, I would say based on what I've been told by individuals very close to Gary, along with my own observations of the ministers he associates with, I've come to believe that he has a pattern of shielding leaders facing significant ethical concerns. I would 100% agree with that. Gary York is one of the guys who has stopped justice from happening in the situation of Steve Coco when a. You know, I'll tell you guys more about that in a little bit. Unfortunately, the current board members have since played a significant role in allowing Todd to continue to serve himself. Gary had been around Todd for many years and was previously on the board when I joined. At that time, I petitioned alongside other board members for his removal. Good move, Rasheed, as I believed he functioned primarily as a yes man rather than an independent voice of accountability. In my view, his resources, Gary's rich, by the way, and network have contributed to enabling leaders like Todd White to remain in positions of influence without meaningful accountability. Paul Allen, another board member whom I recommended two years ago, made statements to our executive team during the period when we were attempting to establish accountability around Todd, including saying that Todd had a demon and needed help from spiritual giants such as Rodney, Howard Brown or Jonathan Shuttlesworth to cast it out. That's Paul Allen before the bigwigs get involved. Later, he supports him. In a separate private conversation with me, Paul also expressed agreement that the ministry should be shut down. I'm going to play audio of that conversation later on. You'll hear it from Paul's own words, and you'll see him flip flop and do fundraising for Todd afterwards. Despite these statements, he later retreated from that position. Based on the timing and surrounding circumstances, including his active promotion of his book and speaking engagements at Lifestyle Christian University at the time, we perceive that his position may have shifted due to considerations unrelated to accountability. That's putting it mildly. His reversal ultimately prevented meaningful corrective action, resulting in a board alignment of three members in favor of Todd, leaving only myself and one other member who later resigned, continuing to advocate for correction. So Todd, Todd's wife, and Paul Allen kept Todd going when there could have been internal correction. But it didn't happen. Following this shift, my wife and I met with Paul directly in our home, with his wife present to address the concerns. Again, his wife was previously unaware of many of the issues and appeared visibly shaken by what she heard. Our hope was that this conversation would prompt Paul either to take corrective action or to step away. However, he has remained involved and has since publicly promoted fundraising events for the ministry. I'm going to show you guys footage of that as well. Paul Allen's actions were not an isolated case. Similar patterns of benefit, influence, and silence have been evident among others connected to Todd's ministry. Many ministers who are aware of Todd's history of deception have continued to partner with the ministry due to financial benefit, influence or fear of repercussions such as legal action or loss of income, public backlash or diminished ministry standing. Some have attempted to navigate both sides privately, a reality that in my view, reflects a troubling lack of integrity. While these fears are understandable, allowing them to outweigh our responsibility to the body of Christ exposes a deeper weakness within the modern church, one that once honored martyrs, yet now often shrinks from accountability out of fear of criticism. Lost opportunities or perceived risk. Worse still, some fear guilt by association if they are seen aligning with someone like Mike Winger simply because he called out a prominent leader. Let me say, guys, this is for those of you who are really part of the movement, okay? A bunch of names aren't being named here. But, you know, and it needs to change. And the only way it changes is when people who know take a stand and they put their foot down and they actually force accountability, even at personal risk. This needs to happen. You can go right now onto Todd White's website and you can look and see who's going to be speaking in the future at his events. And I know for a fact some of these people know exactly who Todd really is. And yet they're still going to go and get a paycheck from him. And it's just, it's wrong. I know of many Rashid says, and we're almost done with Rashid's letter, guys. I know of many who have spoken to Mike privately. That's many he's talking about, but refused to go on record with him because he's become radioactive. In charismatic ministry circles, they fear being blackballed or losing donors if they're seen associating with him. I told you guys I was being slandered really hard. That obviously is what's happening. But there's a number of people who privately tell me all kinds of stuff and they go, you can't use any of it. I want to stay anonymous. Don't involve me. Because they just get this fear. Because it's a culture of COVID up. Even though you're exposing a guy that needs to be exposed, that righteously should be exposed, you're holding back because you know that your community around you will punish you for it. That's a culture of COVID up. You need to flip it until the community will reward you for taking an integrity stand. Even though it was risky, even though it was against a leader that ultimately has a lot of sway and authority, but because it was true and because the situation was extreme, you stepped out. Rashid says. This, in my view, exposes a deeper problem in the charismatic church. We cannot have open conversations or acknowledge serious issues without fear of retaliation or the loss of influence and income. I never imagined I would be the one sounding this alarm, but I felt a moral obligation. I've seen too many people hurt, confused, and spiritually disillusioned. There are dozens of former lifestyle employees who could corroborate these concerns. You guys, this is an open secret, okay? They know who Todd really is. Anybody who cares to know can find out who Todd really is. In closing, I hope this letter encourages others to speak honestly about what they've seen and experience experienced. I do not dismiss the ways Todd has impacted people's lives and I too have benefited from some of his teachings. Yet I've also witnessed many leave the ministry confused and disillusioned, particularly young believers who should be shepherded and protected, not exploited. I also ask that Those bound by NDAs be released. Do you hear that, Lifestyle? You need to release the NDAs and that an independent, transparent third party investigation be allowed. All they have to do is give permission. We've offered to foot the bill. My ministry, it's the only time I'm going to make this offer. Believing this church this could bring greater clarity and healing. Ultimately, my sincere hope is that Todd would publicly acknowledge and repent of his behavior as repentance and truth remain the clearest path forward toward genuine healing and restoration within the body of Christ. Rasheed Salem thank you Rasheed for your letter. I have one more letter to read to you guys and then a lot of other information to share the timeline of events. I've got some recordings, I've got a lot of evidence to share, but I wanted to start with these witness testimonies. So let's move on to the letter from Hershey Schaffner. Here's the fourth and final letter before I get into the timeline of events with a bunch of evidence and the reactions and all this stuff you're going to see to the church. My name is Hershey Schaffner. I served on staff at Lifestyle Christianity from July 2020 through July 2023 in several roles including Associate Pastor of Lifestyle Christianity Church, intern and teaching pastor at Lifestyle Christianity University, and Director of Power and love for approximately 16 months. That's deep involvement. That's deep connection on multiple levels, both in the traveling speaking stuff as well as the local building thing that Todd White does. I write this letter with a heavy heart and with full awareness of the seriousness of what I'm sharing. I do not take joy in this, nor do I believe this is something to be done lightly. However, I believe continued silence would be a failure of my responsibility to the body of Christ. I understand that many will dismiss what I say. Some have already judged Todd White from the beginning and will believe anything negative without discernment. Others will reject this entirely, believing that the public Persona, gifting or visible fruit is sufficient proof of spiritual health. Still others may say I'm sowing division or acting as an Accuser. And can I say from the perspective of someone who's trying to bring change to the church here, one of the most common and kind of difficult things to overcome is people who don't even disagree with you. They don't even say that you're wrong about anything, but they're just mad at you for saying it anyways. So you're the accuser of the brethren, then. My motivation is none of those. My reason for writing is rooted in Scripture, specifically the process outlined in Matthew 18. I've personally brought these concerns to Todd. I've brought them with witnesses. Those efforts did not lead to repentance or meaningful change. According to Scripture. The next step is to bring these matters to the church. This platform is not something I sought, but it is the only one available to me at this point. You see, when these witnesses came to me, I was like the last person they wanted to come to. They had tried a bunch of other avenues. They had tried dealing with Todd directly. They had tried holding him accountable within the structure of his own local ministry. They had tried reaching out to multiple other leaders in the body of Christ, and ultimately nothing happened except, why don't you quit and Todd can just get a new team and move on. So they finally came to me. I want to be abundantly clear. I'm not trying to destroy Todd White, smear his name, or discredit the genuine work God has done through him. I love Todd. I still pray for him. My desire is not punishment, but repentance, restoration, and accountability, because those are loving biblical responses. Can I add this, you guys? I am more skeptical of Todd White in the entirety of his ministry than several of the witnesses who've come to me. They are not all of the same opinion here, and some think maybe Todd was always fraudulent, and others are thinking, no, he has a true gifting and God really used him. And then it went sideways and now he's operating in the flesh. At any rate, they all agree on the things that we're sharing here, that he is dangerous to others, that he is highly disqualified, and that there has been a concerted effort by multiple individuals to keep him in power when the Scripture would require us to do something else. Hershey continues. What follows is not an attempt to catalog every failure or weakness, but to highlight patterns and issues that I personally addressed with Todd, which I believe are harmful, particularly to new believers and young Christians. One of the most concerning patterns I witnessed was the disconnect between what was preached publicly and what was lived privately. Todd has frequently stated from the pulpit that he has never had a bad day, that he does not get offended, and that he no longer struggles with issues such as guilt, insecurity or condemnation. Yet I, along with many others, have personally witnessed anger, intimidation and volatility behind the scenes. One specific incident occurred during the executive leadership meeting when the team proposed changes to the encounter services. Todd responded by storming out of the room in anger, yelling, and forcefully throwing his chair against the wall. This was witnessed by multiple senior leaders. Later, Todd denied throwing the chair, explaining that it was stuck to his leg. The testimony I heard was that he said his leg was sweaty and it stuck to the sweat on his leg and that's how the chair flew up and hit the wall. So there's the volatility, but there's also the deception and the bald faced lie about it. When he eventually apologized, it was acknowledged in that moment that if any other staff member had behaved that way, termination would have been immediate. Grace was extended to Todd as it had been many times before. The issue is not that a leader lost his temper. The issue is of the promotion of a lifestyle of perfection that is not actually being lived. This is so key. I'm glad that Hershey put it this way. We have to understand that Todd, his ministry is based upon him claiming basically perfection and miracles everywhere and words from the Lord everywhere and prophecy here and all this stuff. And, and because of these claims, it has become the foundation of his ministry. Todd's see, the foundation of my life is the holiness and the truth of Jesus. The foundation of Todd White's ministry is Todd White's holiness and his anointing. So this is super significant for his donors and his followers and the people who flock to his school that they might receive an impartation to be more like Toddlers. It is really important that they understand that he's not the man he pretends to be. That disconnect has real consequences. Many students and young believers struggled deeply with condemnation, believing they were failing God because they could not attain the level of Christlikeness being presented. I personally counseled and prayed with many who felt broken, deficient or spiritually disqualified because of this. Just the other day on X, I saw somebody reply to a comment I made and they were saying how they had become really despondent because of Todd White. He had set such a high bar of unrealistic and I would say fake Christianity that they felt defeated and felt like really lousy because they could never achieve it. And Todd does this over and over again. It's a significant harm that he brings upon others. It's exciting at first, but the disillusionment comes because you tried to become something that was never real in the first place. He calls this image of himself normal Christianity and then says, you're supposed to do it, too. But Todd doesn't even do it. Statements such as never dealing with shame, insecurity, or offense, while privately acknowledging those very struggles create confusion and harm in the body of Christ. Scripture does not call us to image management. It calls us to humility, repentance, and truth. There were also repeated instances of misleading or contradictory testimony. For example, Todd has stated publicly that no one ever told him about Jesus. He said this many times. I've got footage of it.

[Todd White]

I never had anybody come up to me and tell me how much God loved me and how much this and how much that. I didn't understand there was some kind of a God that loved me. The reason why I have a passion to do what I do and to say what I say and to bring what I bring is because all this time in my life, not one person shared Jesus with me. Not one. Nobody shared Jesus with me for 34 years of my life. Not one. That's not okay.

[Mike Winger]

While his own mother, who was on staff, shared with many of us that she regularly took him to church growing up. Additionally, I witnessed repeated instances where private details about staff members, marriages, finances, or personal struggles were shared with others in ways that create a division, shifted blame, or altered perceptions of responsibility, depending on the circumstances. This is the third one we've got saying Todd White spills other people's stuff like gossip in a way to manipulate and control situations. In one leadership meeting, I raised concerns that Todd was surrounded primarily by yes men on the board. Privately, he responded by saying that Tom Rutolo, who helped launch the ministry, was not a yes man. Yet no explanation was given regarding the rest of the board structure or lack of accountability. We're going to get to hear from one of his staff meetings that was recorded where we get to understand what was really going on behind the scenes there. My trust in Todd's leadership began to seriously unravel in the summer of 2022 during a significant financial crisis within the ministry. Following the second major leadership exodus during my tenure, the ministry directors, including myself, were individually asked if we would be willing to take a temporary pay cut to help stabilize the ministry. So this is what Rasheed was talking about. He's brought in during this financial crisis, right? They bought this building. Fake prophecy, it seems, from Sean Bowles, fundraising, all this money, lots of debt, ultimately Not a wise choice. They never filled it up. They never quite used it like was the plan. Everything fell apart and he's brought in around that same time. So here they're told, will you guys take a pay cut to help stabilize the ministry? We all agreed. Hershey says the CEO and CFO agreed as well. Todd's assistant agreed. They all agreed to take a pay cut. When the board approached Todd with the same request, he declined. As a result, the request was withdrawn from the rest of us and multiple staff members were laid off instead. So that is because Todd didn't want to take a pay cut. He lost multiple staff members who had to lose their jobs because they couldn't make up for the finance differences. Now, it is my understanding that Todd was making over 300 grand a year at this time, not counting whichever secret, you know, checks he was getting from churches where he's telling them, don't go to the ministry, give it to me. So I could be wrong on that. But if I'm wrong, it's because he was making even more. Because one of their last nine hundred nineties filed, Todd was making like six hundred something thousand dollars a year. One of the previous. Excuse me, one of the prior 990s that was filed. So who knows, who knows what the exact amount was at this time? Later, at a farewell lunch for those employees. Now, how does Todd deal with this issue where he wouldn't get a pay cut and therefore they had to get fired or laid off? Todd publicly described the day as very hard for him and highlighted the sacrifice of the CEO while omitting the fact that he himself had declined to make the same sacrifice. In that moment, the burden was shifted away from the decision maker and onto the situation. And it appeared that the level of commitment shown by the staff was not that of the leader. More than a year later, Todd accused those of us who had agreed to pay cuts of attempting to steal his ministry. At no point did I, nor did any member of that leadership team seek to steal, take over, or undermine the ministry. Such an intention never existed. I believe I've heard the recordings, guys. Lots of stuff I can't share with you Even, and I 100% agree with this, is absolutely silly that he accused them of this. Absolutely wicked. And they should not have to defend themselves on this. On this point, these patterns repeated themselves consistently. Correction would be agreed to in meetings, only to be reversed privately. Within days, Danny Silk was brought in. We'll learn more about this. Danny Silk from Bethel was brought in to help restructure leadership Culture and repeatedly asked Todd a simple did he want a world class team or a sole proprietorship? Publicly, Todd affirmed team leadership. Privately, he consistently undermined it. Eventually, Danny was cut off. It was an extended period of time when Danny worked with him. We'll talk more about it later. And blame was shifted to him for the dysfunction that followed. Right. Todd blamed Danny for the stuff that happened afterwards. In July of 2023, the third leadership team in three years resigned. A whole team quit. The CEO, the CFO, media director, LCU director, Todd's assistant, myself, and shortly thereafter the head of worship. This cycle continues and in my view, it represents a serious concern for the health of the church. If you have a ministry where everybody, like the whole leadership team keeps quitting, high, high, high staff turnover rates, it is a red flag. It's something that should be asked about. You should look into it and find out what's going on behind the scenes. There's no meaningful accountability. Many leaders are aware of these issues and remain silent. Some out of fear, some due to limited exposure to Todd and others because platforms and paychecks are difficult to walk away from. That is because there is what I would call a culture of COVID up. The one leader who sticks their head out is like, they're not going to have my back here. You know, there's one rule in the mob or whatever, right? Like, you don't rat. You don't rat. The one thing you don't want to be is a rat. Even though the most noble thing you can be in that environment is the rat who rats on the abusive and horrible and violent and evil behaviors that are happening. But, you know, it's your own neck for you to step out. And so they don't want to step out. They're going to lose something, they're going to lose paychecks, they're going to lose platforms, they're going to lose respect from people, their peers, which they should gain respect from their peers. If it was a godly culture, Scripture calls us to be a city on a hill. That means our standards must be higher, not lower. Amen. I'm not presenting myself as perfect. In fact, I want to openly confess my own failures. While serving at Lifestyle Christianity, I was at times complicit. I avoided conflict. I chose convenience over courage. I operated in pride at times and did not always walk in the fruit of the spirit. I failed to shepherd people well when I allowed busyness and big ministry thinking to take priority for those failures. I repent to anyone I may have hurt, overlooked or offended. I ask for your forgiveness. And if there's somebody you would consider yourself to be that applying to you, I imagine you could reach out to Hershey and talk to him and try to mend the bridges there. If there's any harm. It'd be good to see good things come out of all this. My prayer, he continues, is not that Todd becomes defensive, but that he humbles himself before the Lord. That he revisits the warnings, the conversations, and the concerns that have been raised recently and over many years. That he seeks true repentance, not image repair, which is so far all he's done. All he has done to my knowledge, this whole time. I believe Todd loves Jesus. I'm not convinced of this personally. Here's where me and Hershey might disagree, but I want to share his letter and his thoughts. He says he believes Todd loves Jesus. I believe there was a genuine fruit in his early walk with the Lord. But Scripture warns us about the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, and none of us are immune. God is gracious and restoration is possible, but it must begin with truth and repentance. I am grateful to those who love the church enough to speak honestly, including those who have provided platforms for these conversations, not to tear down, but to protect the flock and call leaders back to holiness. This is ultimately not about Todd White. It is about the glory of Jesus Christ. It is about a holy church, and it is about repentance that leads to life. May his name alone be exalted. Blessings. Hershey Schaffner. I acknowledge that I do not have the same perspective of Todd that even Hershey does and probably some of the other guys that, that you'll hear from. And I want to say this clearly, you may not have the same perspective as me on some of these things, and that's okay. Use your wisdom, use discernment, look through the content I'm presenting here and try and come to a righteous and just perspective on these issues, especially if you're actually involved in these ministries. If nothing else, I hope that you will acknowledge that cover up culture is real and it has to be dealt with. And the way it can be dealt with is with transparency, accountability, courage, and a commitment to normal people, not just leaders, and a commitment to the glory of Christ, knowing that Jesus will even expose his own if that's what it takes to restore what's right. Okay, now begins the timeline of Todd White and the evidence that I can present to you guys. Let's get into the timeline of events. This Timeline is constructed by witnesses and it goes into specific events all the way up until May of 2025. Some of the events we've already covered a little bit. Todd White's talking about moving to the Dallas Fort worth area in 2015. God's calling him to do it. In 2017, we have Sean Bowles giving a prophecy that, you know, this is all going to take place and this is a huge fundraising thing that they're able to do. In 2019, the first leadership team departs. We got Tom Rutolo, Joey Blodgett and Jonathan Landis. That all separate from Todd. Then in the year 2020, during lockdown, reportedly out of boredom, Todd White starts a church Lifestyle Christianity. Church officially opens September. And this later he confesses was boredom. But at the time he's like, this is the Lord. God's called us to do it. We're going to change the way church is done around the world. And just like super big grandiose claims, but maybe just bored because he couldn't travel and speak. Then in the year 2021, in the first quarter, that is when the Sean Bulls materials are removed, the books are taken out, no public statement is made. People don't really know unless they know privately because again, this was part of the COVID up of Sean Bowles. Then we get to March of 2021. Okay, this is where we're going to sit for a minute. This is where a disaster happened in Todd White's ministry and a whole bunch of people left. Again, different situation. Dozens of leaders and staff depart Lifestyle Christianity, including Chris Donald, Ben Meckel, Theo Culianos, who later joined part of Mercy Culture. Some still there. Some of them are still there today. The departures occur after the church opening. Departing individuals are accused of attempting to steal the ministry and are labeled as Jezebels. Sound familiar? Yeah. Then in April 21, I have evidence for this. There's a recorded staff meeting that occurs. I'm going to play you stuff from that staff meeting. You're going to hear their voices. This is a staff meeting where they're going to talk about how they're going to deal with this disaster that has just happened. How everything is blown up in their faces. A bunch of people have left. A big chaos thing. This is that staff meeting. And the first recording I've got from the staff meeting is going to show you how they're saying Danny Silk is going to come and he's going to help clean up this mess. He's going to help, they hope, reform Todd and get to A healthy culture and healthy leadership.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

We do believe Bethel is going to come alongside of us. There is a plan for Danny Silk and Cherry Silk, his wife. They're going to come in as a team March 21st through the 24th. They are going to be meeting with all of the staff here.

[Mike Winger]

Again, these are people inside Todd White's ministry. This is a team meeting, a staff meeting that they're having. And here they're trying to recover from the disaster that has happened. So Danny Silk, he's hopefully going to come. They're looking. Somebody come and help us. Give us aid, help us navigate this. Danny's supposed to be the guy. In the next recording, we find out what his staff really thinks about Todd White. This is what was denied by Patricia King. This kind of information was said, well, there's another side of the story, or there's. You know, I've heard. Todd's told me this very different story. Let's look at what actually was said.

[Todd White]

I think that's another place that we're wanting to address with Danny, is how do we. How do we get the staff to a place of work? They're serving the Lord, and this is just a place that's actually an assignment and somewhere they're called to, but they're not. They're not serving a man first and foremost, because I think that's actually an unhealthy thing. And here's the thing, you guys. Is there anybody here that truly thinks that that's what Todd wants, that Todd wants anybody to come here to serve, to serve him and exalt him in that place? Absolutely. You think that Todd wants that?

[Mike Winger]

I absolutely think that in the place right now.

[Todd White]

So hear my heart. Yes.

[Mike Winger]

In the place of right now.

[Todd White]

I have yet to see Tom, in two years of being here, make a decision to prefer another human being over himself. So I've never seen him serve another man or woman. I absolutely, 100%, unequivocally believe that his desire is for every person to serve what he's called.

[Mike Winger]

I watched him ask another man to go get his sweatshirt for him, and.

[Todd White]

He didn't go get it himself.

[Mike Winger]

I knew right there, from there, it.

[Todd White]

Was something off, that he was looking.

[Mike Winger]

At other people to fulfill what he has in his heart.

[Todd White]

And so I thought it was a lack of leadership.

[Mike Winger]

The last two months.

[Todd White]

I'm understanding leadership. There's a lack of love. And so my view right now, absolutely, absolutely is his desire, is that those.

[Mike Winger]

Who are here are his for his bidding.

[Todd White]

Now, do I believe he is deceived.

[Mike Winger]

I do not believe he is evil.

[Todd White]

I do not believe he is. So hear my heart.

[Mike Winger]

But I believe he is an absolute.

[Todd White]

Deception, that this ministry is here and.

[Mike Winger]

People are here to fulfill what is.

[Todd White]

In his heart, that he is here to serve those and is the absolute opposite of what Jesus said. So I absolutely agree that that is what his perception of what this ministry is about. He would not say it in his words, but he has established it in his actions.

[Mike Winger]

I'm just showing you select clips from a very long recording of this staff meeting. And the context here, of course, is Todd has lied in God's name. He has manipulated the people. And in this moment in the staff meeting, they're finally saying things out loud about what's really going on. And one person in the staff tries to suggest, like, come on, guys, you know, Todd, Todd, he's got a good heart and all this stuff. He's really not after it himself. And then we hear someone share what he really believes. He goes, todd's the opposite of Jesus. You can hear another person in the room who says, I agree with that, quietly whispers it, but it keeps going. Here's the next clip. Every.

[Patricia King]

Every.

[Todd White]

Every department has been manipulated. Every department. That's why it's so hard not to see that this ministry is not about Jesus, that it's about Todd. Just look at all the department heads, all the directors. Why can't the directors function in their department? Like it's manipulation.

[Mike Winger]

If every department head had been manipulated, you would think certainly it's not just, you know, if you're saying this in a staff meeting, wouldn't other people go, no, we haven't. I haven't been. Todd's great. I trust him. You don't hear that in this recording. There's no response like that. I told you guys previously in my original video on Todd White that there was a survey conducted where they sent it to the top leaders in Todd White's ministry and they asked them to comment on what kind of leader Todd is. They did the survey and the results were dismal. Well, this recording will be evidence that that was a true claim. There's nothing I made up in that video. If I was aware of any mistake, I would absolutely admit it and say, I'm sorry. But this, in fact, was true. This 360 review survey was really done. And here is some evidence from 2021.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

Not everybody knows this, but we did a 360. Todd agreed to do a 360 review, and we would send that out to a lot of staff that had personal interactions with Todd. So it didn't go to everybody, it only went to some just so that he could get a picture of what the staff was experiencing with Todd.

[Mike Winger]

So this 20 or so leaders survey was done and I have seen the results and they say, and I'll summarize them for you, I'm not making this up. They say, in fact, Todd can sue me and let's put the results on stand so everybody can see it. How's that sound? But they say that they can't rely on Todd, that they can't trust Todd, that Todd goes back on his word, that he's emotional, that he lacks self control, that he doesn't bear fruit when he repents. So it was a score 1 to 10. He got the lowest possible score. On the following question is Todd submitted to the appropriate accountability? They scored him on the lowest possible score from what I can tell. I mean the one has got to be the lowest score, right? They scored him the lowest possible score 1 to 10 on is Todd submitted to the appropriate accountability? On the other hand, Todd got high marks. Whenever it comes to something on the stage, Todd makes a good first impression. Todd can influence the crowd, that kind of stuff. He got very high remarks there, but his overall staff all agreed, it seems Todd is. His character is not there. That was the impression I got reading through those things. So then we enter into the saga of who's going to hold Todd accountable. And finally in this Daphne, it gets brought up openly like who will hold Todd accountable? And they go back and forth and they discuss it and finally it kind of lands on Danny Silk. I have more to tell you about this later. Ultimately Danny would not have been capable of institutionally holding him accountable. He could have blown the whistle publicly if he wanted, but he couldn't have been. I'll explain why, but Danny Silk has suggested he's going to hold him accountable. There's a complaint. But Danny's only going to check in once in a while. Who's going to do it when Danny is not there? He doesn't live around here. He's just going to check in here and there once in a while. He gets paid to come in and help people fix their problems with leadership and stuff like that. And he's got a lot of experience at it. So who's going to do it when Danny's not there? And then we finally get this amazing admission that I think is very important for the sake of exposing cover up culture that nobody can hold Todd accountable, not even his own people.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

I think to address this is. I think when you guys are asking us who holding him accountable, the only thing I can think of is.

[Mike Winger]

God.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

He's the only one that is. If you think I can, I can't. I can't hold him accountable. I can't make this environment. I don't have the authority or the power to do it. I don't. I don't know. I know you're hurt. I know you've been mistreated. I know all of these things. I know your family has suffered. I don't know how to help you go forward. I want to help, but I don't know how to help. That's why we're trying to get help. Because this is out of my depth. I can't. I want to offer you promises, but that would be irresponsible if I could do that because I don't have the authority. I don't have the ability to change this situation.

[Mike Winger]

That is by design. Cover up culture is full of boards that cannot hold their leaders accountable. They couldn't remove them if they tried. That is typical. That is by design. There are ways of changing the bylaws or setting up your bylaws so that this can be the case. So legally that can be the case where they just would never be able to hold them accountable. But there's also cultural ways of setting this up where you have this sort of treatment of leaders, where you have to cover the leader. You always cover the leader. We have always hold up the arms. I like that analogy. Holding up the arms of the leader like Moses and Joshua. Okay, I like that. But that is stretched to the nth degree. Right? This is an analogy from Scripture. This is not a teaching that you can never deal with the sins of others. Peter exposed Paul to his face in front of a whole crowd. He rebukes him. Jesus did this to Peter too. So accountability is a proper and appropriate thing. But in coverup culture, it never happens and it's by design. So how many boards are there around the world in ministries who are going to say I couldn't either? I couldn't hold him accountable. Hopefully my leader will be good and not evil because I have no power. Here's the next clip.

[Todd White]

The staff are hurt. I've been talking to some students.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

Students are hurt.

[Todd White]

Students are hurt.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

Everybody's hurt.

[Todd White]

As a ministry, how are we going to handle these students? Because they have questions. Yeah, they're not coming to school anymore. I talked to a student today. I said, how are you? He says, I'm scared. Yeah, it's a student. This is a ministry. I don't want you to answer, but I'm sorry, okay. This is a school. That's ministry. I'm pissed off. It's one of my interns. Yeah, I've been with them for three years. The first thing he says is, I'm scared at a ministry school.

[Mike Winger]

Seriously.

[Todd White]

My other intern telling me she, I want to walk in the building. What are we going to do? These are students that pay to be here. We get paid to be here. They're paying to be here. What are we going to do as a ministry?

[Unnamed Staff Member]

We don't have three months.

[Todd White]

Why don't you guys call a staff meeting and don't say anything other than we don't know. Why are we sitting in this room right now? What is the point of the board? None of you can say anything to anybody and have no authority over anything.

[Mike Winger]

That is ultimately by design. I think, okay, your board ultimately is powerless. And this is. Again, I want to highlight this not just because it's about Todd White's ministry, but because it's about COVID up culture in general. The culture of COVID up is full of powerless boards, boards that are purely yes men, boards that are. You're sitting there in the meeting and you're actively afraid to disagree with the thing that the leader just said. If that's your situation, something has to change. Many people have to take a stand and do what's right. And it may cause a bit of turmoil, but you can do it righteously. Because how amazing would it have been if Todd's own board had just said, you're disqualified, you're done, you're done. And they had removed him from the ministry. That could have saved a lot of people from harm. In fact, it could have been done years before this meeting had happened in 2021. The Lord has no real power and real authority.

[Todd White]

So it's important, encouraging to me to.

[Mike Winger]

Hear that y' all know that and admit that and see that as a problem later on. This changes. The board gets some more power and authority. I'll talk about that. But that is the current state of things. Okay? People crying out for help, even the board members themselves going, we want to see things change. We don't know how. We have no power. And they're all at the mercy of Todd White, a giant baby. They're at the mercy of this man who manipulates and controls and lies and lies in God's name and deceives everybody. They're at the mercy of this man. So you can understand why it's in the COVID up culture, environment where boards are powerless. They look to. Even just even if they're not legally powerless, they're culturally powerless. They look to leaders, big wig leaders from other ministries to come in, hey, you fix the problem, you tell us what to do. And that's the context in which Danny. And now in the next clip, you'll hear Chris Valatin get involved.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

Honestly, we were all thinking that maybe he should be removed for now, for the season. And honestly, Chris and Danny said damage is going to be done either way. Right now there's no way to control. That could be either way and good could go either way. So I feel like. Because they've been.

[Mike Winger]

Did.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

I said will, yeah.

[Mike Winger]

Oh, sorry.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

Thanks for catching that for me, Gary. But I think they've been through, truly and honestly. When I spoke to Chris and Danny, they were like, we've been through this.

[Mike Winger]

They laughed at us. They laughed.

[Patricia King]

They.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

They thought the fact that we were so. They were like, it's gonna to be okay. Like, we've been through this. Like, it's going to be okay.

[Todd White]

This was the, this was the first few years at Bethel that Danny had. This is where all that was developed that he went through with Culture of Honor and stuff. I know a lot of you guys already know that, but this, this is something they've gone through many times before.

[Mike Winger]

Okay, now you understand behind the scenes, Danny Silk and Chris Valatin in particular, Danny, I mean, both of them. I don't know all the details, Kay. I just know they've both been involved. They're often brought in to help fix situations where you have leaders who are a disaster and at least it's happened a number of times. They laugh because they've seen this situation over and over. They counsel at this point where the board says our inclination. She's very honest. Now I know who these people are. I'm not going to give their names because people who are close to them, they all know who just was speaking. Right. I will mention Gary York talked there. He was the one who was kind of trying to be more supportive of Todd and stuff. And he briefly but was like, yeah. He said, yeah, and corrected her when she says damage will be done either way. He was like, well, could be. Which was prophetically true. So Chris and Danny come in and ultimately the board's like, okay. We were thinking we should remove him, but they don't really seem to have the power to do that either in the bylaws or in the culture. And Danny and Chris seem to suggest that they shouldn't do that, that let's try a different path. Now that we're involved, we can bring health and well being into this circumstance. Now, I'm not going to lay this whole Todd White situation at the feet of Danny and Chris, but I do want to be just transparent about what their involvement was. So at this moment, they're thinking Danny and Chris will be the ones who decide whether Todd gets back on stage or not. Now in the end, when Todd decided he didn't want to be, want to have Danny involved anymore, he just kicked him to the curb. So at the time they're thinking, Danny, Chris, these guys are going to be the ones who decide if Todd can be on stage or not. And that might be why Todd ended up running to them, because he's like, look, my board, everybody, staff, they're all meeting against me. Hey, Danny and Chris, I need your help. I'm just going to theorize here. Guys, I need your help. I need your assistance and you guys can fix me. And then that will make the board go, okay, we're going to trust these guys. So let's not continue pushing against Todd. It's a good strategy and it can work. Later on, Todd gets help from other leaders. He'll end up getting help from Randy Hooper, who ostensibly represents Rodney Howard Brown at one point. He then later on gets help from Patricia King. After my video came out nine months ago. And I'll talk about that. But this is of course the problem is that Todd always seems to have options. So now the question gets asked, what if after Danny, Chris, after these guys get involved, what if Todd bombs? What if he. It just goes horribly, what will happen?

[Todd White]

Let's say Todd bombs everything of the planet. Yeah. Do you all have the authority? Yeah, we absolutely do. The question is, well, he. We don't have the authority not to.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

Prevent him from creating another ministry and doing all that. So I think that's where Danny and Chris are coming from is they're saying, I had the thought and now I've lost the thought. Trying to stop that is out of our control. So the best thing we can do is learn how to be, put the boundaries in place, hold him accountable and teach him how to function. That's our best option in this scenario. And they think they can do it. They feel confident that they can do it.

[Mike Winger]

I think what we should point out about this is inside of the thing when it's at the pivotal moment where the leader's done a bunch of stuff that exposure doesn't seem to be even an option on the table. The options on the table are, well, maybe the board removes him. He says we have the authority to do that. I'm not sure if they really did or not. Maybe he thought they did, or maybe I'm wrong and they didn't. I know later they changed the bylaws to give them more authority. And so I'm thinking that they didn't really have very much at the time or ability to do that. But here's the thing. What would prevent Todd from just starting up another ministry and just taking all of his donors and all of his supporters and just rushing forward into something else where it's like, yeah, so we told him no. And now he started up a lifestyle Christians University or another powerful love conference instead of power and love. Well, what would prevent that is publicly exposing him. That's what would prevent that, is warning people. Right. But this is not on the table as an option inside of the culture. That's part of COVID up culture.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

He's going to Bethel because I think Danny and Chris are going to be meeting with him. So that is still on. So that's kind of a meeting thing that we're, we've agreed to because of Chris and Danny being there and being. And then them knowing the situation. We feel like it's their responsibility to whether they put him on the stage or not.

[Mike Winger]

So the belief is that Chris and Danny will decide whether or not Todd gets put back on the stage or not. And this is probably, I think, why Todd ran to them. It's my theory at least, and it makes a lot of sense is Todd runs to them and now the board goes, okay, we'll trust them. And we know that Bethel has a very special heart for restoring people and that they have a track record of not exposing people. And so this is something where he's like, hey, help me out. Now it ends up going south and I'm going to give Danny Silk props later on. So I'm just trying to give you guys what really happened behind the scenes. The truth is a lot of this stuff is a mixed bag. The problem though is board accountability didn't happen. Shopped out to some outside leader who ended up being unwilling or incapable of holding him truly accountable in the way of just publicly expose him, which is what he needed. And then later he gets help from other leaders after this he gets help from Randy Hooper, who ostensibly is there to represent Rodney Howard Brown. It was that guy's name, Rodney Howard Brown's name that allowed that to be such a weighty thing. When he showed up. And then later, from Patricia King, after my video comes out, Todd seems to run to leaders. I think he calls around and asks for help when the time comes to avoid dealing with the responsibilities he has in his local ministry and to his own board. And that is of course, a concern, is that Todd always seems to have options. The reason that I was bringing that.

[Todd White]

Up with clarity is that in the past, the reason that there's been an.

[Mike Winger]

Issue is that there no one's holding accountable.

[Todd White]

There hasn't been a singular tip of the spear that actually cuts what it presses. It's been so diluted that he could go anywhere. And because he could go to multiple places, the issue is that he had options. My concern is that if he has options. Yes. So that's why submission.

[Mike Winger]

If he has options. Good point. Do I really need to comment much on that? Let me play the next clip.

[Todd White]

It is your responsibility, according to the laws. It is the 501c3 responsibility, the board.

[Mike Winger]

To make sure that not one man.

[Todd White]

Can go rogue and do what he.

[Mike Winger]

Wants to do in real life. That's just not always how it plays out. You have to have a culture where they feel like they're not empowered to step up. And sometimes you have, like I said, sometimes the bylaws are such where the board looks at them and they go, if we do try to vote him out, we could get sued because it's just not set up that way. So that can be the case. The next one is the dumpster fire comment.

[Todd White]

But what I'm looking at is four individuals who are trying to do the best they can with a situation that is completely out of hand. Does anybody have been in this situation before?

[Mike Winger]

No, probably not. I get it.

[Todd White]

And so we're at a place where we have a. We have a large ministry that reaches the world and there is complete and.

[Mike Winger]

Utter dumpster fire that we are in the middle of.

[Todd White]

And we're trying to simultaneously keep something going while fixing. It's like a cruise liner out at sea and we're trying to remodel it at the same time. It's tough.

[Mike Winger]

This shows the kind of fight that they're in. Okay. There's people who are obviously sincerely trying to navigate the situation. It's a complicated situation, but it is in fact a dumpster fire. And at this point, I want to suggest if Todd or Patricia King think that I'm taking stuff out of context, just ask them if I should upload the entire two hour staff meeting. This next clip, I'm going to Go ahead and tell you whose voice it is. It's Robert. Robert McKinney, who wrote an open letter that I just shared with you earlier. We were as bamboozled as you were, because I have been to Todd numerous times trying to say, todd, this is not right. I actually submitted my resignation, you know, saying, you know, this is not working. This needs to work. These people uprooted, just like you said, uprooted their lives, their family, their children, chasing after something they thought they could support and be behind. It's not right. It's not right. It's not right. This shows you something. These people aren't trying to steal his ministry. As Todd slandered them and accused them to defend himself, he made them even more harmed than he had already done. Now we're going to fast forward over two years from that staff meeting. Over two years. All right, I went and got a jacket. It's getting cold. Okay. From that recording that you just heard in 2021, fast forward over two years of time. Todd does not change. Danny's working with Todd, and things start looking like they're going to be good. You know, Todd's going to follow his instructions. He's going to do what he says. He's going to follow the boundaries. At some point, they rework the bylaws, and so that there's more, like real accountability potential for their. For the board to actually hold Todd accountable. And then Todd, after like a year and a half or something, he just kicks Danny to the curb. Leave. I'm not interested. I don't want your help. It was Todd that got rid of Danny. It wasn't Danny that got rid of Todd. And so Danny just took off. Chris didn't really stay involved very much from what I'm told. He was talked about in the staff meeting, but his actual involvement was very brief. And so it was mostly Todd working with Danny. And that Danny had brought in some very healthy changes and some things that had made things better for the short term. So Todd kicks Danny to the curb. One could talk about whether Danny should have contributed to the open letter that I brought earlier or said something publicly, but that's going to be for some other video some other time. That was his involvement. He ultimately says that Todd is a dangerous narcissist and he walks away. That was a phrase we were going to include in our original open letter, but we didn't have permission. But he was a dangerous narcissist. That is his description of Todd, and he walks away. Then there's a new team that Comes in, right, because everybody quits, everybody's gone. Also in 2021, lifestyle Christianity merges with Risen Nation Church and William Hinn. Then separation from Risen Nation occurs. The Risen Nation leadership exits and they're no longer involved with Lifestyle Christianity. There's a whole other story there that I do not have the permission to tell you. And Todd White in 2022. This is just really quick. Give us the timeline. He publicly discloses this heart condition he's been kind of keeping secret for a while because you don't want the healer to be having a heart condition. All right.

[Todd White]

There's all kinds of speculation of why I haven't been here. Like, I've been like, so something's wrong. Yeah, something's wrong. They went and did heart tests and they did an echocardiogram, whatever. And my heart was at 20% of the beating capacity. Ejection fraction. Was it 20%? And so that's not good. The doctor said I'm a time bomb waiting to die. And I'm like, guys, knock it off. And so it all hit at once. And I was on like, I went from taking no medications to taking 11 overnight. Said that a virus, possibly, possibly the one that we all know about when I had last year around Christmas, weakened my left ventricle and knocked out my pumping capacity.

[Mike Winger]

In January of 23, Rasheed gets involved. He's one of the new team members. You know, Rasheed, rescue me, help me out. Oh, they've all, you know, not been there for me. I'm alone. I need your help to fulfill my commission from God or whatever. He tells Rasheed. Rasheed finds out there's some issues going on. And one of the issues is Gary York, who it's so interesting to me that Rashid did this. This is independent of any video I've ever made. This is February, March 2023. He asks Gary York and another non local board member to step down because he thinks that they're not conducive to a healthy board. They're yes men. Then in summer of 2023, Rasheed raises concerns and begins sounding alarms internally because there are issues going on. Okay, I know what you see. Late 23. We'll come back to that a little bit later. But in early August of 2023, there's a multi party call involving Randy Hooper, Danny Silk, rasheed Salem, Robert McKinney and witnesses set up by Paul Allen. This is like a staff meeting. And in this meeting we get introduced to Randy Hooper, who's there. Here's Randy Hooper. Pastor Randy Hooper. Who is there ostensibly to represent Rodney Howard Brown. That's who he says he's there representing. And on this call, Randy Hooper. It seems as though, like, the ball is in Randy's court for some reason. Whatever went on behind the scenes, the ball is in Randy's court. It seems he's the one all the information is being delivered to, and he's the one that is basically like, giving the verdict of what he thinks people should do. And he does this, it seems, with the name of Rodney Howard Brown hanging over his words. Who's Rodney Howard Brown? If you don't know who he is? It is this guy right here. He is one of the, like, OG Bigwigs in the charismatic movement. He's an older, older guy, but like, OG Big wig, bigwig. He's huge in the charismatic movement. If you're not familiar with him, this meeting happened on August 4, 2023, and it was a staff meeting. Rasheed alluded to it in his letter. So Randy Hooper's there and this meeting is recorded, by the way. This meeting was recorded. We do have the recordings. I don't have permission to read, to share the recordings with you, but I can tell you what was in them or at least parts of what was in them. Okay, so if anybody wants to say that we're lying, maybe, maybe I'll end up getting permission to release the recordings from the people who have them. So the board wants to remove him from the school. That's the big dilemma. Hey, we've got all these students. We think that Todd is actually unhealthy for them, and he's unhealthy for the leadership of the school. Once again, we're back where we were before in 2021. And so they want to remove him just from the school. Todd can keep doing his power and love events. He can keep receiving a paycheck. He just can't meddle with the school. It's not safe. And this is a temporary thing, like, step down for like a year. Get things right, do something. We believe in you, Todd, but you need to step down because you're dangerous to people. So Danny confirms in this meeting, Randy Hooper asks Danny Silk, what did you find in your year and a half working with Todd? And I'll give you a quote. He says Todd burns his own house down. Now, he had worked with Todd for a year and a half, and he makes it very clear that Todd just doesn't want to listen to anybody. He just wants to do whatever he wants. And. And he compares him by analogy to an evil leader. I wish I could play you guys the recording. I don't have permission to do that. But that's absolutely what he does. He compares him by analogy to an evil leader. And I'm grateful, Danny, that you spoke truth there. That was helpful. Danny was here going to bat for the good of Lifestyle Christianity University and for the good of the board members and their interests as they're trying to create accountability. Danny went to bat in that sense. And good for you on that, Danny. I wish you would have been more public and said something publicly and exposed the guy because he needed to be exposed. And I've been fighting uphill to try to do it because I don't have help from anybody who's in the movement, who's respected in the movement to give credence to those words. But, you know, it's true. But good job for going to bat. Ultimately, Todd cut Danny off. Right. It wasn't Danny who just walked away of his own volition. He was cut off by Todd. And then Todd slandered Danny to people behind his back about a bunch of stuff. And here's Randy's response, not so much to Danny. He just receives what he says. And then he says to the board members, it looks like you're trying to steal Todd's ministry. Right? Because that's what Todd tells people, whoever they're all telling him. They're trying to steal my ministry. It's suggested to them in this call by Randy Hooper, Dr. Randy Hooper, that they will be sued if they attempt to get Todd removed to vote as the board to remove toddlers. Now, again, Randy Hooper, if you're wondering, to know more about this guy, supposedly he's a doctor. Although a lot of the pastors in this circle of leaders get their doctorates from diploma mill things that are not well respected anywhere. But maybe it's legit. I don't know. I'm just saying I don't want to present him as if he's a doctor when I don't know. He's a longtime associate of Rodney Howard Brown and River at Tampa Bay. You can even find him ministering at the River. He's a leader of Connecting youg Vision International Ministry. Their site says that Randy and Vicki Hooper are ordained under Dr. Rodney and Edonica Howard Brown. Ultimately, this is a travesty of a phone call. What you have on one end is you have Danny briefly mentioning like, no, these complaints they have are legit. That's how I interpret Danny's comments here. And then you have Rasheed primarily Saying, you guys don't get it. He's actually immoral. Like there's requirements in scripture. Yes, we don't know that he's committed adultery, but that's not the only disqualifying thing. Look, there's money grubbing. There's what scripture says about the love of money and about people who want to are basically hirelings. There's the manipulation. There's all these things that are going on, the constant lies, the deception that he does. And he's just like a deeply ungodly individual ultimately is what I think Rashid is getting at here. And the response to these things by Randy Hooper is I wish I could play the whole recording. It is cover up culture in a nutshell. He gets told the laundry list of Todd's issues. He gets it confirmed by another well respected leader. He responds, why don't you just resign? They have a conversation here where he says, isn't that our job as a board? Rasheed brings it up, isn't it our job as a board to hold Todd accountable? And I've listened to this recording multiple times and the response from Rodney Howard Brown is none of our boards can hold us accountable. These leaders that we're talking about, none of our boards can hold us accountable. This is a huge smoking gun for cover up culture in general is the idea that he can be so brazen that at least Randy Hooper believes that none of their boards can hold him accountable. He specifically mentions Rodney Howard Brown, that Rodney Howard Brown has no, his board has no control over him. At that point, Danny Silk chimes in and Danny, I hope I can represent this well, because we're, we have disagreements for sure on some big things, but I don't want to misrepresent anything. Danny, he agrees the same is true of Bill Johnson, but with conditions. And he says Bill's board can't tell him what to do. But it's because Bill is such a great leader, he's such a wonderful leader that there's no need, there's no crisis we're avoiding here. Basically, he speaks very highly of Bill Johnson here. But it did affirm this general principle of only, you know, boards don't really get the ability to hold people accountable. But Danny suggests that this, by implication as he's talking, it suggested that this is maybe the exception to the rule. Because when you have a leader that's this bad, right? He compares him here to an evil leader and he goes, I don't want to say he's an evil leader, but he goes, when you have like an evil leader. So he's being careful with his words. But he says when you got a leader like this, maybe this is the exception of the rule. That's how I interpret his words. Where this time we suggest they do actually hold him accountable. The board actually does something about this Randy Hooper, ultimately he doesn't want anything to do with it. He just keeps pushing, just resign, just resign, just resign. When I talk about COVID up culture where boards don't have the ability or maybe the willpower to hold people accountable and then big leaders are brought in, outsiders are brought in and they're the ones that are going to adjudicate for us when it's our job as the board, like that is their job. Like if I fail in some significant way that causes me to be need to be removed from Bible thinker, it is my board that does it. I don't get to call up, you name it, I don't get to call up some big heavy hitter leader that impresses or intimidates my board. That's not how it works. But Todd, I think regularly calls big leaders and wants to get their help and ultimately use it to subvert his board and subvert accountability. Does this mean that he tells those leaders the truth? No, I don't think so. I think with Patricia King, he probably lied her ear off the other nine months ago. And I made my video and then she immediately made a video in response defending Todd. We'll go over that in detail in this video. And I think it's very important that we do because people's reputations matter and Todd ends up making other people look bad to make himself look good. He lies to these leaders, it seems. But do the leaders even try to find out the truth? Did they really make an effort to find out the truth? I'll tell you more about that with Patricia King later on. There's one more aspect of this phone conversation I want to bring up because it's really important. When Rashid tells Randy Hooper what's really going on. And Randy Hooper's like, well, you know, Rodney Howard Brown likes Todd, whatever that means. He says he likes him and then he tells him what's going on. And Randy Hooper's like, well, what about you? Just resigned. And then they're like, well, there's this problem and that problem with Todd. And he goes, well, who draws the crowds? And he's really basing his calculus on this in a significant way it seems, on who draws the crowds. And this is just confirmation of what all of us have been thinking all along now I want to show you how well this can work to bring in the sort of heavy hitters who can do the COVID up culture behind the scenes, which is exactly what Dr. Randy Hooper did in this situation. It primarily had a big impact it seems on Paul Allen. So you've heard about Paul Allen in Rasheed's letter. Now we'll get into the details. This is a phone call. I can play with you some recordings of this, of Paul having a conversation with Rasheed in August of 2022. So again let me show you on our timeline where we're at here in August of 2023. That's the multi party call with all these individuals, they're involved. It was set up by who? Paul Allen. Now we're going to look at what he did after this meeting. But I want to first go back and look at what happened before this meeting. In late July of 2023, not long before the meeting that we just heard about, there's a call between Paul Allen and Rasheed and I'm going to play you some footage from that Paul. This was for them to discuss like what, a month maybe before the meeting we just heard and you need to know the stuff that Paul Allen was willing to say at the time. The first voice you're going to hear is actually Rasheed and then you're going to hear Paul Allen's response. And they're talking very candidly about the issues of Todd White and the ministry itself being fraudulent.

[Todd White]

There's no faith in this situation. I personally think this whole ministry is a fake fraud. And that's why, that's why I want out. And I'm not so sure that everybody else in that room doesn't feel the same way. Yeah, it probably is. So how do you wind it down?

[Mike Winger]

Paul Allen, a month before this other meeting with Randy Hooper, Big Dog, he's saying, yeah, the ministry is probably a fraud. How do you wind it down? Here's something else he said.

[Todd White]

I don't think the law is in it, which means shut it down, Shut it down, Shut it down.

[Mike Winger]

Paul Allen shut it down. This is what he says, shut it down. Here's one more clip from Paul Allen.

[Todd White]

But the ministry as a whole is a fraud. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree.

[Mike Winger]

Why do I play this for you? Well first off, let me point out it's amazing that I even have some of this evidence. How easy it would be for it not to exist. And then I would just be crying out into the darkness, guys, there's cover up culture behind the scenes, but I would not be able to show it to you. And a large number of people would simply not believe it, though it would be true. But Paul Allen, that was him. The ministry's a fraud. Shut it down. I don't think the Lord's in it. And then in 2025, let's zoom closer to our current day. This is Paul Allen.

[Todd White]

Hey, let me tell you about the Ekballogala that's coming up on March 6th, which is my birthday. I'd love you to be there. There's going to be Lance Wall now and Todd White talking about lifestyle Christianity and just how effective they are at advancing the Gospel. It's an amazing ministry. I'd love you to be part of it. So mark your calendar for March 6th, click on the link below or go to lifestylechristianity.com ekballow God bless you. I'd love to see you there.

[Mike Winger]

Ekballo is a major fundraising event that Todd White does. And here Paul Allen doing fundraising for Todd, endorsing his ministry. Amazing ministry, all of that. This reversal happened after the meeting with Randy Hooper. And maybe because of Stars in his Eyes about Rodney Howard Brown or maybe because of some other reason, Paul Allen starts reversing position. And instead of seeming to have a backbone, he is now toeing the line. This is one of the reasons why I keep telling people I talked on the phone where they're saying, like in private. I talked to so and so and it seemed like they're really repentant. I keep telling them public actions matter more than private conversations. When you see the public actions match the private conversations, then you can trust them, but not until then. That's just the reality of COVID Up Culture. This is a post from Paul Allen from September 11, 2025. He's at Lifestyle Christianity University. And here he highlights some of the people that are there. And there he is standing with Todd White, the guy who he thought was a fraud, whose ministry he once said should be shut down. And I think that the real reason why he changed is because of COVID Up Culture. There's another picture of Paul Allen with Todd White. In this picture you're going to see Paul Allen on February 27th of 2025. He thanks Andrew Wommack Ministries for their endorsement of lifestyle Christianity, Todd White and your cooperation in kingdom advancement. And he says, thank you, Lance Wall now keynote for the event. So Paul Allen is very much working hard to try to get him moving forward. And Paul gets to sit right next to Todd in the Thanksgiving celebration in 2024. He gets a special seat. I just think it is what it looks like. Whereas those who actually speak out against Todd get slandered, their relationships get cut off and there are problems for them because. So what happens after the call with Randy Hooper? Well, another team resigns. Leadership and board exit. This is the last exit that I'm aware of, that I have witnesses for. And then he accuses them. Of course they're being accused of trying to steal the ministry. But this is the part that I would like to highlight. It is around this time that Gary York gets back involved again. Gary York, Jonathan Landis return to assist Todd. Gary York gets involved again. He's brought back in the yes man himself. The COVID up culture goon who's helped Steve Coco. He is brought back in along with Jonathan landis sometime late August 2023 and then in November 2024, a little bit more in the timeline here. That's when the conversation with Dr. Michael Brown came and they started going like, oh man, he's not even part of this. And then April 10th and then in February is when I had people come to me, these witnesses came to me and we took our time with it. April 10th, we finally make the video. I make the video. It's a warning to the church about Todd White by Mike Winger. After my video, we have a Patricia King video I'll cover. And then Mercy Culture leadership publicly honors Todd White from the stage. I want to show you this because this was a direct reaction, I believe, to my video Mercy Culture putting Todd on stage. They did this as well with Dr. Michael Brown. The exposure of Dr. Michael Brown. They brought him on stage, they were like, God told us he's innocent and stuff like that and did a standing ovation and stuff for Michael Brown. Well, they did something similar in the same vein for Todd White. Here it is.

[Todd White]

I had a very interesting, unfortunate text message that I got this morning. I got a text of mine from a friend. His name is Todd White. And he messaged. Hold on, hold on. And he messaged me this morning and said, hey, my children are dedicating their child to the Lord, but I'm not going to come because you're getting so much heat in the media already. I don't want to add to any of your heat. And what I was thinking was, that's the devil. How sad is it in the cancel shame culture of America that there would be so many pretend to be Christians that are divisive, that are gossipers, that are slanderers, that don't throw stones like Pharisees. Anymore, but they throw comets and reshares that a man of God, who loves God, who's human, who makes mistakes like all of us do. Man, I would love to be you with Jesus when everybody is picking up stones and he says, let the one without sin cast the first one. And I said, bro, you better come. That's how I talk when I'm not in the pulpit. Not only you come, I'm saving you seats. Not only may I save you seats, I'm saving you a parking spot. So I want to let you know you are welcome in this house. You are welcome to worship in this house. They can write articles, they can make podcasts. I could care less. We are not building a cancel culture. God called me to lead a mercy culture. So would you do me a favor and just let my friend Todd White know he's welcome at Mercy Culture Church? Somebody shout shame go. If Mercy Culture is too hot for you, you don't have to come.

[Mike Winger]

The reason I bring up mercy culture and Landon shot is because this is Todd's M.O. it seems right he finds a powerful leader to support him. He may well have probably did lie to Landon about what really happened and what went down. And just as Dr. Michael Brown offered many misleading statements to people to get their support. But that's the nature of COVID up culture. What you don't have is leaders who go, I'll do my diligence. What you have is you have leaders who go, you're one of the good ones, you're one of the elites. And they just believe whatever they say and they don't do their diligence to find out the truth. So February of 2025, I'll go back to that. A whole group of witnesses come to me for help. They say no one will help them. Numerous leaders know and will not help. I vet them, I talk about their stories with them. They're scared. So we go anonymous. But I've met the biblical requirements as a Christian. The biblical requirements. And I knew I would get flack for doing a video where I had anonymous sources. Well, they weren't anonymous to me. I'm protecting their identities. But they were very real. They were true, real sources from within his ministry, as is now obviously true for anybody who doubts. But they're scared of retaliation, of issues. And so we go anonymous. But I met those biblical requirements. Todd has been confronted over and over. Matthew 18 has been recycled ad nauseam, except for part three. That never happens where you tell it to the church like scripture demands us to do. So Todd Persists. These people have been slandered for holding Todd accountable. I have six witnesses. I have others who are off the record, who confirmed stories as well, who I just couldn't include as part of it. I decided to tell it to the church in obedience to 1 Tim. 520. I list the 5, the 25 accusations that they came up with and agreed on. But Todd White finds out I'm going to make the video and starts making calls. So we have to rush through it. And then my video drops. That's when things got kind of crazy. Did you know that Todd White cut his hair? He's like, really well known for his dreadlocks. For his hair. But did you know he cut it? And I would like to talk about that for a minute. This is his hair reveal video. And notice the things he says. He. I didn't cut it because of anything that's going on. Implication. Everybody knows this. It wasn't because of the video that I. So this hair reveal moment is. He's revealing it to the students, I believe in the university at the moment, whoever's gathered there in that particular gathering. So he reveals his hair and we're going to be really paying attention to the stuff he says because I think it's very relevant of the way he will present himself to the public versus the private reality of things.

[Todd White]

Like, I didn't cut my hair because of any reason that I've wanted to cut it for like the last six months.

[Mike Winger]

Six months.

[Unnamed Staff Member]

He's been talking with Terry Anthony.

[Mike Winger]

So I've been talking about cutting my hair for a while. Look, I got all these witnesses. This is to avoid the idea that he cut his hair because of my video. Because guess what? My video came out. And then very shortly thereafter, all of a sudden, people are texting me, dude, Todd White cut his hair off. He chopped his hair off. Mike. A bunch of people keep messaging me. And it was like, wow, he has had these dreadlocks forever. He's had them for years and years and years. And he said God told him to grow the dreadlocks. Right. That's what he. I'll play a clip of that in a minute. So he says it's not because of anything. Not because of my video. That's not what I heard. I'll tell you the real story after I play this.

[Todd White]

Yeah, I just. Yeah, she didn't want me to cut it. And Briley and Zoe and the kids have never seen me without them. So. Their whole life, so bright. Zoe was like this this morning.

[Mike Winger]

Yeah. Remember that his daughter found out it was cut in the morning and didn't know it was going to be. That's how it seems.

[Todd White]

She was shocked.

[Mike Winger]

Yeah.

[Todd White]

Because God didn't tell me to cut it.

[Mike Winger]

Like it's not a.

[Todd White]

God said cut it. And I was like. The first thing that came to me was I want to be known for my love and not my hair.

[Mike Winger]

Yeah, Todd, you don't say that about yourself, dude. I know they're all wow you, but this is self aggrandizing stuff.

[Todd White]

That's it. I just want to be known for my love and not my hair. But here's the thing is God doesn't see us for our hair. He sees us for our heart. And we got to always focus on that. But I didn't cut it because of anything else. I just left six months, months I've wanted to and so I did.

[Mike Winger]

Important to stress it wasn't because of anything else. Meaning not Mike's video. I mean, I'm the thing else that's happened. It's not me really because I could have made a video and he wouldn't have cared as much. It's because these witnesses, insiders from within his own ministry are saying, guys, we're raising the red alarm. And that's what gave credibility to the video is the chance, the possibility and the reality that it was connected to real people who were really part of his ministry who were all joining hands to say raise this alarm. And that's ultimately what really happened. Now I'm going to play the rest of this his army of the Lord stuff. Yeah.

[Todd White]

So now I can look more military in the army of the Lord.

[Mike Winger]

Amen. Before I tell you what I heard really happened, the real story there and it is relevant. Anybody thinks this is just gossip, has not paid attention to the video. Anyhow. This is a clip of when Todd White said that God told him to grow the dreads. And it was because, get this, he was going to change the whole church.

[Todd White]

You might be the only Jesus that they meet on this earth. That's not blasphemy. You're supposed to walk just like him. If you say that you abide in him. We ought to walk just like him. And if we walk just like him, that means to look like Jesus. Jesus might have had dreads. John the Baptist definitely did. Come on. Locusts, honey. Camel's hair. Wilderness. Long time didn't care about a comb. Guaranteed he looked matted up and repent. Amen. No, it was weird. Years ago, God spoke to me when I first got Back born again. He said, I want you to grow dreads.

[Mike Winger]

Okay.

[Todd White]

My wife. Whoa, why now? She's good.

[Mike Winger]

I asked her the other day, do.

[Todd White]

You want me to cut them off? She goes, why? This is why God said, I want you to grow them because I want you to break the stereotypical mindset off of the bride. That's awesome.

[Mike Winger]

No, weirdo like your. Your dreadlocks are not like God's tool to break the stereotypical mindset off the bride of Christ. You know, Billions. I'm sorry. It's just this sense of self aggrandizement that they're just like, I want to be known for my. My love, not my hair. Okay. I mean. Okay. I don't know if it was because he read the comments on my video. A lot of. I mean, it wasn't me. I've never mocked his hair, but a lot of people were mocking his hair. Okay. I'm not saying I agree with that, but it is weird to have someone that age with that kind of hairstyle. It's a little bit. Just a little bit. A little bit. But he says God told him to grow it for that. And then he goes, I didn't cut it off because of God. I just cut it off to cut it off. Right. Is that because in the letter, the open letter, there were statements about Todd White says that God told him to do things that the Lord didn't say. I don't know. I don't know. Could be. So here's the story I heard from multiple sources actually, is that after my video came out, Todd White was not handling it well. And he. In the middle of the night, like, late at night, he went into the bathroom and chopped his dreadlocks off himself. Not a barber. He just hacked and slashed his dreadlocks off. Then he had to call around and find somebody like a barber to come to his house late at night. This is not. I don't think outside of Todd's normal behavior to go and ask other people to go out of their way to cater to his desires. But. So he calls and finds someone, that person comes, and they reportedly do some work to get the hair fixed so it actually looks decent and doesn't just look like. Like you're a crazy man with, like these, like, chopped off, uneven dreadlocks. Now, is there any evidence that supports this beyond the witness testimony I've heard? Well, the timing is very suspicious. The chopping of the hair at that exact moment is very suspicious. Sure, sure. But when he tells the story of his hair getting cut off. In that Instagram video that they put up, his wife says that their daughter came out in the morning specifically, and that she was shocked that her dad had his hair cut. If you had got your hair cut during any kind of normal business hours, you'd imagine your daughter would be aware of it. So in the morning, she finds out. Now, I'm sure there's a way to rescue this, but when I've got that conditional, you know, piece of information along with multiple people telling me what happened, and then that fits with your behavior later on. We'll talk about Todd's implosion in a second. I think Todd just chopped his hair off in a fit of emotional instability and later is trying to spin it because he doesn't want it to be an awkward thing when people see him. That's what it looks like, but it's only one small example. Now we'll get to Todd's implosion. This happened at ascent church on April 13, 2025. Now, my video came out. I think it was April 9th of last year, 2025. So Todd White at Ascent Church, he is addressing my video. Any reasonable person knows he is. The Internet knew he was. I didn't react. I tend to respond slowly to things. Today I will respond.

[Todd White]

It's not a happy, this isn't a happy message. But if we don't get it, we're going to be lulled by the enemy. We're going to believe everything that we see. We're going to allow the opinions of people to be more important than the word of God and the truth of what's in here. We're going to live by the National Enquirer. We're going to live by gossip tv. We're going to live by critics. And Jesus didn't pay a price to make people critics. He paid a price to set people free. And the freedom that comes doesn't come by reading a tabloid. The freedom doesn't come by watching some kind of video that somebody derogatorily slams somebody else without knowing the truth. We believe a lie and we're deceived because Satan is the father of lies. So all of a sudden, we're feeding on what everybody else is saying, wondering what's real. It's like politics. It's mud raking. It's, oh, if we do this, it's cancel culture. And we're allowing cancel culture to enter into the church. Church, because we all have an opinion, but we don't know him. And it's not okay to live your life governed by that it'd be good to shut off every bit of social media and go after God with everything you are. Stop living for a like and start to find out that you're loved. I'm so serious. I'm so over it all. It's so weird. This is a very intense message and I don't apologize for any. I love God with all my heart. We need to be free from gossip, slander, judgment, unforgiveness, bitterness, wrath, malice, unforgiveness. It's all twisted. And the devil wants you to partner with him.

[Mike Winger]

This happens frequently in cover up culture is the pulpit is used as a tool for. It's not just for attacking long far away people like Mike Winger where he mentions YouTube specifically and stuff like that. It's used for controlling thought in your own group. Because after listening to this message, everybody under his influence that heard that message knows like do not bring up this video. Todd White's super upset about it and what he's doing is he's taking what is about personal accountability with him and he's acting like it's part of his fight against the devil trying to ruin the church. Right. Again, everything's grandiose. Whatever's about Todd is really about how Todd will save the whole church from themselves. That's ultimately what ends up being turned into. Is he staying silent? This is very important. We know this. Is Todd staying silent? No, because Patricia King will imply that Todd's going to hold his tongue. I mean she just repeats what Todd said. It's not her fault. Well, she shouldn't have repeated it. But that Todd's basically holding his tongue and if the Lord releases him, he'll talk about it. But instead he went and crashed out right after that. So is he accountable to anybody? No. Is he controlling thought? Yeah. Trying to get people to not use social Media, complaining about YouTube where, guess where this video was found? YouTube. Anyway, here's the next one and he'll talk here about how you should pray but never, ever, ever expose people.

[Todd White]

The Bible says that when people despitefully use you, what are you supposed to do? Pray for them. It says pray for those that despitefully use you. But what do we do? I can't believe they did this. Brother, let me tell you something. Can you believe they did this? The next person says, did you hear what they did? The next person said, I can't believe what they did. Now you've got five people and you instead of living for Jesus, remember that?

[Mike Winger]

He said you've got five people.

[Todd White]

Have succumbed to the wisdom of man. Why? Because it says that it's sensual, it says that it's demonic, it's self seeking. What are you looking for? You're looking for a way that everybody else can join on your little pity gossip criticizing wagon. And what you've done is you've given everybody else a different lens to see them through.

[Mike Winger]

He's, I think, very clearly talking about himself. And who is he talking about? Pity party. Who is he saying is basically doing evil? It's the witnesses who talked to me and it's the people who saw the video and then told other people about it. That I think is the most fair interpretation of what he's doing here. Cover up culture is using your spiritual authority in your pulpit to demonize and attack people and punish them and terrify the crowd so that you never get exposed. He says you should be praying for me, not exposing me. What's he doing? He's exposing. He's exposing. But his exposure is based upon self preservation and deception, not on truth and honor of Christ.

[Todd White]

So now a person that saw them a certain way now sees them the way that you see them now. You've distorted the gospel, twisted it, and instead of blessing those that persecute you and praying for those that despitefully use you, now you've given everybody else the wrong lens to see through and you're happy and you believe that you're right and you're justified because you feel like you've been hurt.

[Mike Winger]

He's obviously talking about this exact situation. My video just dropped days before this. It's making huge waves in his ministry. People are asking questions about it, people are upset about it and they should be. And he's clearly talking about that. That is an incompletely inappropriate use of the pulpit of God's calling on you to teach and bless and minister and help other people. That's completely inappropriate. So Todd's point there is pray, don't expose. Never. Ultimately, that's the implication. Don't ever expose. Yet Todd is exposing both me and the witnesses with these kinds of commentaries.

[Todd White]

And we can build a huge criticizing pity party so that everybody's satisfied and justified in their hurt and in their pain. All the while forgetting the fact of what Jesus did, forgetting the forgiveness that's needed. Because if you don't forgive others, you are not forgiven.

[Mike Winger]

Everybody I have talked to wants to forgive Todd White and has offered forgiveness to him as long as he just genuinely repents. It was even in the letters we read earlier. There's this care and concern for the man still, that's what I've seen the same thing with the Sean Bulls video. There's people who are like, man, I would like to forgive him if he would really repent. I just don't trust him because he's lied so much. You have to prove it was real repentance. So this is what's called Darvo. Darvo is where you deny the accusations against you, you deny your wrongdoing, then you accuse the people who are coming at you with these accusations, and then it results in the RVO of Darvo. So deny accused and then reverse victim and offender so that now Todd's the offended person, or Todd's the. Excuse me, the victim. And you're the offender, right? You're the offender. I'm the offender. Whoever came out against him is the offender. So this is the damage control Todd's doing. In other words, he's sinning again, more in response to the exposure.

[Todd White]

You can say what you want, but you'll stand before God and answer for your life. This is an intense message. I read my Bible. I live in it.

[Mike Winger]

These weird comments that he throws in about how righteous he is. He does that a lot, and I think people will give him a pass on it in a way that is unhealthy. But, yeah, he. He's threatening you with God's judgment. Now he'll talk more about YouTube me.

[Todd White]

You better teach your kids, or YouTube is. So now I'm gonna read my Bible knowing that you're gonna speak to me because Jesus, you said that my sheep will know my voice and a stranger's. They will not follow. Help me hear your voice so that I can spot the stranger's voice.

[Mike Winger]

You can even hear in the audience. The clapping is kind of scattered. I would not have wanted to be in the room as a student. Actually, if it was me, I would love to have been in the room when he did all this. But as a student, just like attending one of these events or someone attending a church that he's speaking at, I would not have wanted to be there in that environment. But you can tell. It's just like people know this is. Something weird's going on here, whatever this is.

[Todd White]

People are like, why are you so. Why are you so passionate? Because I'm watching the body of Christ get manipulated, run over and broken by one that's been defeated again.

[Mike Winger]

Todd thinks that his own crisis is a crisis for the entire body of Christ. When you serve a leader who self aggrandizes like this, who thinks that his long hair is going to do something Good for the entire body of Christ who thinks that him being exposed for something personal is the entire body of Jesus Christ being attacked. Attacked is not a word. That's not good, man. That's a dangerous leader because what does he do behind closed doors when he does this on stage?

[Todd White]

And we don't look at this book as the manual for life. We look at YouTube as the manual for life.

[Mike Winger]

There's the YouTube again. So, yeah, this is obviously a response to me. I don't think he thought this through very well. This later on he's more calm and like, I cut my hair. But it's not about anything that's going on. Before there was a whole. There was a crisis. Right, right. A few days earlier or a day earlier, I don't know, there was a crisis and it was the entire body of Christ that is in crisis mode. And he's going to try to bring the solution. And later he's like, it's not because of anything that's going on. Just, you know, I'm very calm. Everything's chill. This is not Todd's only crash out moment. He endangered his students in another crash out moment that I'm about to play for you now. I want to mention. And if Todd, I'll just say it to him, if he would ever watch this video, I would be surprised. But Todd, if you watch this video, I'm grateful that you are. It'd be very difficult to watch it. And in fact, if you're even watching it, I imagine that you've come to somehow maybe a better place. If you really go low, truly, and you repent and you admit the years of deception and lies about your own ministry, about hearing from God, there's going to be so many people that are going to be there to help you and support you and comfort you and they'll hold you accountable. They're not going to take your nonsense. But there'll be so many people there to help and support you. And that's something that probably bothers even some of the people watching this video. But I think that that is exactly what we do as Christians. In the Book of Acts, there is this leader of the synagogue who's persecuting Paul. And later on Paul talks about it looks like it's the same guy. He's got the same name as being a Christian. And I just love this idea of in Paul himself, he was persecuting and attacking the church, doing something worse than everything that Todd is doing now. Right. He is trying to deliberately, intentionally trying to get people to Recant their faith in Jesus and yet he is restored in his faith. He's not restored, excuse me, that's the wrong word for it because I don't want it to parallel here. But then he is forgiven and he is renewed and he is embraced by the church and it's a beautiful thing and we'd love to see that with Todd. That would be the best into this scenario. But because this video involves Todd, but it's not about Todd, it's about the people he's hurt. It's about the COVID up culture in the church. We do need to keep pressing on and go into detail. So this is his crash out where he actually endangers, I believe endangers students in his ministry and has been doing this type of endangering for a long time. I have heard reports and I'll share all this with you. So this is on 4825. So on April 8th, this is right before my video goes out. Remember I said Todd sort of looked, got kind of frantic. Right. He starts calling people all over the place. He's trying to find out who my witnesses are probably so that he can plausibly, so that he can discourage them from giving me permission to move forward with the video. Which is why I rushed my video out. So this is that moment right before the video comes out. Todd knows about it and this is the message he gives on April 8, 2025. Oh correction, my video was on the 10th, April 10th. So this is two days before my video went out. Now this teaching I'm about to show you was actually pulled down off the Internet and it was hard to find it, hard to get the footage. So this long set of clips is all from that one message. The 4 8, 2025, the pre video crash out of Todd White. I like the word crash out. I think I'll use that more often.

[Todd White]

You know the Bible describes Antichrist and they talk about like the Antichrist and Paul says that many antichrists have come.

[Mike Winger]

Remember what I said about making everything about Todd into everything about the whole church. Now Todd is about to have people come against him personally. He'll make it about the anointing.

[Todd White]

So I want to draw your attention to what Antichrist really means. Because Antichrist doesn't mean anti Jesus. It's not anti Jesus because you can believe in Jesus and still be Antichrist.

[Mike Winger]

No you can't. Christ there is being used in the noun sense of the Messiah, the Christ. He's going to do a wordplay thing where he grabs root meanings and stuff like that. But it's referring to Jesus. Antichrist is anti Jesus anyways, but look at what he does with it.

[Todd White]

Antichrist is anti anointing. So there is a movement against the anointing. And anything that has the anointing, everybody's going to come against that.

[Mike Winger]

This is the preemptive declaration. We often see this with COVID up culture where a message is given because the leader knows something bad's about to get leaked. Someone's going to come against me, someone's going to tell their side of the story. And so they give a message where they preempt this by saying there is a movement against the anointing, anti anointing. And then from then on you can just say whatever the video contains, they're coming against the anointing. Look, God is here. God is moving. Trust me. I have amazing stories of events you generally never see.

[Todd White]

I mean, doctors are doing the best job they can, but the reality is that Dr. Jesus does a way better job than any doctor on this earth. And even though doctors want you to get better, I'm telling you that there's a place where medicine ends.

[Mike Winger]

This is where we're going to get into what is actually physically dangerous to students potentially.

[Todd White]

And Jesus begins. And so I'm not against, I'm not against the doctor because I've been, I've been there before. I am and do 100% believe, believe that the word pharmacia is translated as witchcraft.

[Mike Winger]

This is an old fallacy that has been around for a long time. Pharmacia, Right, Pharmacia, the Greek word in the New Testament. Pharmacia. Yes, the current modern English word, pharmacy does connect to pharmacia. He however, made a different claim. He made the claim that the word pharmacia is translated. Pharmacia is translated as witchcraft, implying that modern day pharmaceuticals are witchcraft. That is a dangerous, it's unbiblical. It's also dangerous to teach people that sort of thing. Medicine is not unbiblical. Medicine is not witchcraft. Now you can be a medicine man who does witchcraft along with trying to give people the herbs that might help them or something. But no, it's not inherently witchcraft. But this is where, in my opinion, I'm just gonna throw it out there because I think it provides important context. Todd is about to have something revealing come out and he is now sort of establishing a type of spiritual, like maybe dominance type thing. Right? He's a fighter in this sense. So listen to what he says to these, this group of vulnerable people who believe that he is anointed of God and that he is kind of like the example of the Christian we're all supposed to be.

[Todd White]

So I am 100 against the whole medicine factor. I hate it. I. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it.

[Mike Winger]

I hate it.

[Todd White]

I hate it. I hate it, I hate it. Are you with me? Medicine degenerates your body. I don't need degeneration. I need regeneration. So, like, regeneration is a big deal, but there are places where doctors can't fix. Like I, I refer back to the story, story of my heart.

[Mike Winger]

We're going to hear all about his heart and how he had a miraculous, according to him, recovery from his heart issues. I don't believe that story because of the source, not because I don't believe in miracles, but when you teach a group of people that you hate, hate, hate, hate medicine, that it degenerates you. And then you go on to talk about a story of how you can grab this thing by doing extreme things like throwing out your medications and then fasting for 40 days, which we learned from other sources. He doesn't actually do water fast for 40 days. He says he's doing a water fast for 40 days and he eats stuff. He consumes calories. Anyways. Imagine you're a student, or maybe you even are, or maybe you're a parent who sent your kid to lifestyle. You probably wouldn't have expected them to.

[Todd White]

Hear this, and a lot of you were in that. But I, you know, my heart went out in 2021. So in 2021, I literally had my left ventricle shut down almost, and it was at 20%. So my heart was at 20%. Ejection fraction. I'm in the hospital. The doctor tells me, listen, you need to be on 14 medicines.

[Mike Winger]

Okay? So his story is going to be, I was on medicines and here's how I overcame it. And it's going to be a model for you overnight.

[Todd White]

And I only got 14 medications and I don't even like medication. And I hardly take any medication ever. And. But now I'm taking it.

[Mike Winger]

Remember he said I hardly take any medication ever. That's a lie.

[Todd White]

14 meds. And I feel drugged up. I feel like my joints are being affected. I'm arthritic, I'm being affected by the medicine, but my brain is getting foggy. I can't even read the Bible, so it's putting me into a hard place that the doctor said, if you don't take this, you're not going to make it. They described it as, it's only vitamins for your heart, brother. Now, I know they were trying to help me.

[Mike Winger]

And, okay, so medicine does have negative consequences. And sometimes doctors give you medicines you don't need, and that's absolutely true. Or the wrong medication when you should. I've had that happen to me. But this is, of course, a blanket statement about medication in general. That's why it becomes very important.

[Todd White]

There's a place where, like, if it didn't happen, I probably wouldn't have made it. Come on. And the problem is, is it painful? The natural mind wants to go. All the facts say, and then the facts.

[Mike Winger]

These are facts, brother.

[Todd White]

Yes, logically. But logic and reason are enemies of faith.

[Mike Winger]

That is a dangerous teaching right there. Logic and reason are enemies of faith. No, they're not. It's actually entirely logical to trust God. That's the most logical thing you can do. God's like, I'm going to do this. And you go, I believe you. That's a logical. Okay. The foundation of all reality, the maker of the universe, the one, the omnipotent one, who is morally pure and could never lie. He told me this. Logically, I'm going to trust it. Logic is not the enemy of faith. Reason is not the enemy of faith, but it is the enemy of what Todd White is about to say.

[Todd White]

Reason and logic war against faith.

[Mike Winger]

And I want to stress again, this is not a leader you can follow. This is a dangerous teaching.

[Todd White]

They said, now you need to get a defibrillator put in. And let's face it, brother, you're going to be on six or seven medicines for the rest of your life. It's not stubborn in a place where I'm in rebellion, but I am in rebellion against logic and I am in rebellion against reason.

[Mike Winger]

When he teaches this way, he is teaching his people to also be in rebellion against logic and reason, specifically in regards to medicine. That is the impact this teaching would have. This teaching went out to many people. It got. At least I was told it got 10,000 views on. I think it was Facebook before it was pulled down. And this is a dangerous teaching. It was also sent out to the people in that exact community. And it's not the only time he said stuff like this. We'll talk. I'll show you a compilation of times he said similar claims.

[Todd White]

In all ways. In anything that is going to try to take me away from faith, I'm in rebellion to that. I am. I. I rebel against that. I rebel against sin. I don't need to have it in my life. So I said, I'm done doing this. I'm done. I'm not taking any more medication. I'm doing a 40 day water fast. It is not medically possible for you to maintain peace with drugs.

[Mike Winger]

Okay, key part of the story here. I'm going to do a 40 day water fast and I'm going to dump all my medications. And the doctors tell him, don't do it, and he does it anyways. And that was the key to his victory.

[Todd White]

Not at all. People like, well, you don't understand. I've been diagnosed. I get it. But your war is against principalities. The voice of the stranger doesn't get silenced with medication. This is why a person that has bipolar disorder, that is borderline schizophrenic, that is mentally going through all these things, this is why it's not fixed with medication. And sometimes medicine disables you from loving God with all your mind.

[Mike Winger]

Imagine if you're in the room, you're away from your family because you've joined Todd's school. You're being told about these miracles every day. Todd's amazing miracles. Everywhere he goes, he sees miracles. Everywhere he goes, he casts out demons. And then the same guy is telling you that your depression medication, your bipolar medication, it's keeping you from hearing God. And you need to get the courage to, basically, this is the implication, get the courage to throw it out and do a fast, and then you'll be healed. You know, I used to be a chaplain for the sheriff's department for a while. And they would see the most crazy people you can imagine acting insane. I could tell you a story, but it's so inappropriate. I won't even tell you about a guy who was in the local jail and they brought me in to try to talk him down and it didn't work. And the conclusion of the most insane man standing there doing some stuff was he probably has medication that he stopped taking right away because you just drop off those kinds of meds and it has major psychotic breaks. Can happen. All kinds of crazy stuff, as many of you already know. So imagine you're that person in the room here.

[Todd White]

Men were wondering, like all these things and all these thoughts, they just keep spinning and spinning and spinning. Sounds like I'm against medication. Yes. John G. Lake said, throw your medicine in the toilet and apologize to the toilet.

[Mike Winger]

You can even tell the room feels uncomfortable. Some people are on board, others are just like, this is making me nervous. There's some dude in there that's Got blood pressure medication. There's someone else probably that's on heart medication. There's somebody else that's got their thyroid medication they need to take. There's someone else who has anti seizure medication that they take. I actually spoke to a student who went to Todd's white school and quit taking his anti seizure meds because of the teaching he received there which corresponded with him getting seizures.

[Patricia King]

Eight weeks.

[Todd White]

Well, I did 40 days and it was so exciting but I'm exercising the whole way through.

[Mike Winger]

So here he's, he did a 40 day water fast and he's exercising the whole way through. I'm calling you on that Todd, you're a liar. You didn't do that.

[Todd White]

41 days I go back to the doctor and my heart is at 68 or 70, I'm sorry, 76, 68 is a normal healthy heart. But my ejection fraction, which is your pumping capacity, went to 76%. And so this is aggressive. Faith is violently aggressive.

[Mike Winger]

It says the thing that's violently aggressive in the context here is throwing away your medication, fasting and trusting God to heal you. That's what he's, he's encouraging here.

[Todd White]

Ultimately the kingdom is forcefully advancing and the violent take it by force. So there is a violence that you have to actually grab this thing and go after it and come against everything reasonable, everything logical, guarantee you Jesus is.

[Mike Winger]

I'll get it back that one if you could hear that. Go against everything reasonable, everything logical. So the context is very clear in this message, right? I had this problem, the doctors gave me the medication, I was like, I don't need this stuff, it's messing me up. It's messed up my relationship with God and I don't need it, I don't want it. It's witchcraft. And I'm going to rebel against logic and reason and I'm just going to go water fast and I'll work out and I'll do everything the whole time, which I don't believe. As I said, I believe that that is a lie based on testimonies I've heard and other evidence as well, which I shared in my last video. So you're in the room and you're being told you got to rebel against logic, reason, you got to take this thing with force. And then he starts telling people they're getting healed.

[Todd White]

Everything logical, guarantee you Jesus is healing because that's what he does because he's the king of glory. We thank you for absolute breakthrough God. We thank you for 100% healing over everybody in this room. Father, I you thank, I thank you for everybody here that's getting prayer in any way, shape or form. I thank you for complete recovery, 100% whole.

[Mike Winger]

What would you do if you were that guy, bipolar or something? You'd be like, I'm healed. I believe Todd. I'm going to grab this thing, I'm going to go after it with violence and with force and I'm going to take this thing, I'm going to leave this room and I'm not going to eat for 40 days. I'm going to work out, I'm going to trust God, I'm going to be like Todd. This, in my opinion, conjecture here was Todd trying to psychologically get himself on top of the things that were going on, the exposure that's going on. And so he made grandiose claims and he guides and directs his people that follow him into doing extreme things that makes him feel good about himself. That is how I would interpret this event. Maybe you would differ from me on that. That's fine. But I'm trying to put it together in a way that I believe is actually true. And I think it's important because people are not your pawns. They're not your pawns where you give them advice that could get them hurt or killed because it bolsters your sense of spirituality. That's so dangerous. That is so dangerous. And several things he said in that were not true, that were lies. Hey everybody, I'm editing this video right now and I want to cut in and share something I just found as I was doing my editing. This is an interview that Todd did a little bit after he first announced his heart condition. You can tell he's still got some issues. He still has some bloating. Things like that happens, the water retention. In this interview, he tells a very different story than getting 14 medications overnight and then dropping 14 medications overnight and fasting for 40 days and getting healing. In this story, he says he only got 11 medications, which that does matter because Todd has a track record, I'll show you guys this later, of exaggerating his numbers and the reality of what has happened. But there's something else that's more revealing in this video, which is that he shares that he's down to just two medications. He's just down to two medications now. He is, in other words, tapering off medications slowly with doctor assistance. This is revelation that Todd is completely lying, I believe, about his supposed 40 day fast. I mean, I already didn't believe it, but this seems like confirmation of that. And A man that would lie to you about miracles is a man that cannot be in ministry. This is so egregious.

[Todd White]

I went from being on no medications to being on 11 medicines overnight. You know, it took me by total surprise. And then the medications caused me to be drowsy, caused me to be tired, caused me to. If the same spirit that dwells in me, that raised Jesus from the dead dwells in me in Romans 8:11, then that spirit is going to quicken this mortal body. That means that that spirit, the same spirit, the Holy Spirit, is going to heal my heart. And so that's what I've been focusing on, him healing my heart. Thank God. Right now the medicines, they. I'm on only three medicines right now, two that are really necessary for at this point in the game. But my mind returned, everything returned. So I can, so I can read and I can pray and I can, you know, and I can function the way I am. Just be slow, be still. And now that he's God, we're going.

[Mike Winger]

To talk about more of that as we go. That's in the, the latter section where I would list some of Todd's lies. And I want, I want you to know this is not new. Todd White, it is not new that he's been doing this about medicine. It wasn't just because my video was coming out. He has done this sort of teaching before.

[Todd White]

I told the doctor, thanks for helping me, but I'm done taking your medicine. I appreciate all that you've done for me, but I'm going to do a 40 day water fast. I'm coming off.

[Mike Winger]

All right. This is a different event. This is not the same day or month or whatever. This is something totally different for all your medicine.

[Todd White]

He goes, you will die. I said, you're not Lord, and you can't make that decision for me.

[Mike Winger]

It's weird how he presents the doctors like they're his, his opposition.

[Todd White]

And I did, I did, I did cold turkey, 40 day water fast. And 40 days later, my heart recovered to 78%. He completely healed me. Absolutely, completely healed me.

[Mike Winger]

What's the real story there? I don't know. I don't know. But that's the story he tells.

[Todd White]

We need to go after this thing with everything in us. I can't afford to let anything get in the way of this. I can't afford to let my feelings or my emotions come in here.

[Mike Winger]

You got to be. He's using even the same terminologies. You have to go after it with everything, what the healing.

[Todd White]

Be really careful. To not have an emotional Christian life. I said, you've told me now I have to be on medicine, seven medication, six to seven medications for the rest of my life.

[Mike Winger]

I thought it was 14. Wasn't it 14?

[Todd White]

That sounds like you want to be Lord in my life. That's not happening. He goes, I am a doctor. I said, I understand you're a Christian in your heart, but you're an atheist in your mind.

[Mike Winger]

And I again, the doctors are like the enemy here. It's really weird.

[Todd White]

Can't live that way. If you listen to people like John G. Lake, John G. Lake said, throw your medicine in the toilet and apologize to the toilet.

[Mike Winger]

Don't do that. Okay? When Jesus healed. Here's a scripture for you, right? When Jesus healed the leper, he sent him to the priest and he goes, go confirm your healing. Basically right? Go and show yourself to the priest. Now, the priest had actual. He's going to check him out, make sure he was healed. Then he could reenter society. He didn't just reenter society recklessly. He went and got it confirmed. In a similar way, if you get a healing, you don't have to throw the medication away. Go to the doctor and get your healing confirmed. Then get rid of your medication or come off of it slowly or something like that. Whatever is appropriate for the thing.

[Todd White]

Selena. Selena had a word, okay?

[Mike Winger]

This is where Todd echoes a word from this girl, Selena. Now, Todd is responsible for this word. He is the leader. He's Mr. Todd, right? Mr. Leader Man, Mr. Super Righteous, living the normal Christian life for all of us to follow. And here he communicates a word from her that is actually dangerous for people.

[Todd White]

Physically about depression and depression medication. And she said that people are going to get free from depression and depression medication.

[Mike Winger]

Free from medication.

[Todd White]

And actually a generational thing where it's actually not just. It's like a grandparent and a mother and a daughter, but it's a generational thing. Bipolar disorder is being healed right now.

[Mike Winger]

Now, it's common in these circles to have someone proclaim healing over you, and then you walk away and you weren't healed. And you're sort of trained to think that that's no big deal. I'm going to think for a healthier charismatic church, it matters if you. You can pray for someone to be healed and then get healed. There's nothing wrong with that. But to declare that somebody is healed right now, you're healed. To make those kinds of declarations and they're not the case is, I think, a recipe for disaster in the long run, because it creates a cultural environment whereby fakery is then embraced. And that seems to happen consistently. So I know that there are some wonderful godly Christians who feel that there's no problem with this. I'm not saying you're not a godly Christian. I'm suggesting that you reconsider that as a policy and that it may not be worth it.

[Todd White]

In Jesus name, she said, if somebody's here and has depression medication and believes that they're free and believes that they want to be free from that, they can come up here and lay it on the altar and they'll be healed.

[Mike Winger]

Now, Todd's responsible for this word that is supposedly coming from God through the. The violinist in the background. So they're to come forward and bring their depression medication and leave it there. Meaning he's directly instigating people giving up their medications and walking away when it's the kind of stuff that potentially could cause real problems for them. He is an actual danger to people. I've heard from multiple students, multiple students from his school who say that not only they suffered physical harms because they quit using meds while they were there all of a sudden, but that other people did as well. And it was especially hard on the girls, especially hard on the women, especially because of all the fasting stuff that they do, and their bodies just aren't as well designed for it as guys are.

[Todd White]

Jesus name. I'm saying this because I know that so many people are struggling with suicidal thoughts. So many people are struggling with bipolar. There are people watching this right now that don't know how to get the depression to stop. You don't know how to get bipolar to stop. You don't know how. And doctors will. Will tell you that there's no cure for it. And it's true in the natural. There's no cure for it, and you have to be medicated. And the medication is just a mask to mask the real problem. It's a band aid put on top of something that never goes away. But wouldn't you like to be free from all the meds? Wouldn't you like to be free from the voices, all the lies, all the. All this junk? I thank you for all depression medication not being needed because Jesus Christ has become our medicine. I thank you, Father, everybody online. We thank you for everyone being healed online in the mighty name of Jesus.

[Mike Winger]

This is standard operating procedure, it seems, from Todd, and this is why I'm suggesting that he's actually dangerous. Like his teaching is actually physically dangerous to people. This Is not. Please hear me, brothers and sisters in Christ. This is not me saying that God doesn't heal people and free them from depression and the need to use medications. What I'm saying is that reality that God does that is being taken by Todd and presented in a way that is harmful to people. That's what I'm suggesting. He's an actual real and present harm. Now, this video I previously showed you, he says, like, I'm just totally against medication, witchcraft, throw it in the toilet, apologize to the toilet, go after this thing 40 day fast, work out. And then that's the story he tells. That went out to a number of people and then it was immediately pulled down because individuals who have some measure of responsibility or responsible thinking in this said, guys, this was actually really evil. He can't do this, guys, this is bad. This is bad. So they pulled it down and nothing went out to the students to tell them, don't just suddenly quit using your meds. Get your healing first, then quit using your meds. Don't quit your meds as a way of getting your healing. This is not safe. You're being presumptive on God. You're testing the Lord your God. Here's another verse for you right where Jesus is standing up on the temple and he's like, hey, throw yourself down here, down from here. God will protect you. That's throwing your meds away and then jumping, going, God will protect me. That is not something you're called to do. Jesus says, do not tempt the Lord your God. And that is what he counsels. And it's probably not what he did because he makes stuff up.

[Todd White]

Thank God. Right now the medicines. I'm on only three medicines right now. Two that are really necessary at this point in the game.

[Mike Winger]

All that to say somebody internally without permission, sent out a message to the students and was like, don't not take meds. Let's get back to the part where my video comes out. Todd has some fallout, some stresses that are coming from my video. And he does his crash out stuff like that. But also there's people calling him to talk to the students about this medicine teaching that he just did to say, you need to undo the damage you did there, Todd. And so he does a message where he admits that he does in fact take medicine. I'll play it for you now. And I should mention I have this one only on audio. Okay. So he teaches this audibly and someone sent it to me, let's say. And this is where he confesses some things that reveal that he was being misleading in his previous message.

[Todd White]

There are some medicines that I do take. I do. My testosterone levels were at about 175. Healthy testosterone for a male my age is around 600. So I am taking hormone replacement therapy in order for my testosterone to be between 6 and 800. That is something that a lot of men do that are my age. It's called hormone replacement.

[Mike Winger]

I don't care that he takes hormone replacement therapy. I care that he previously told them, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. And he says I'm totally against the whole medicine thing. And he said, and I think I can quote him word for word here, he said, I hardly take any medications ever. HRT is a regular medication that you're taking all the time, all the time. So you're not being honest. And then you're setting yourself as a standard so that it leads others to throw away their medications. Right. You're creating a real danger for them because of your deceptions. But there's more.

[Todd White]

So do I take medicine? Yes, I do. Am I on heart medicine? No, I'm not. I also have a thyroid issue. So I also take a thyroid medicine in the medicine area. I'm sorry, I didn't word that right. I take some medicines. I do.

[Mike Winger]

I didn't word that right. This is not honesty here, but at least he's admitting he takes medicines. Why is this? This? It's because when my video came out, it's got this open letter with 25 different statements from people who were internal to the system. And the people that are there know that these people are real. They know enough to know these people are real. And then they can ask each other. And then a number of individuals there, like teachers and stuff are going to be like, eh, kind of, yeah, there's some problems with Todd. And so here's the sort of like damage control. One of the things he damage controls is the medicine claim he admits he takes regular daily medication. You have to take thyroid medication same time every day. That's what that is. You take it every single day. He says he doesn't take any heart medication. I don't believe you, Todd. He says he doesn't take any other medications. I don't believe you, Todd. You admitted a couple. I just want to demonstrate that that was the case. It's important people realize because there's many students who have suffered as a result of your teachings on medicine. So My video was April 10, 2025. April 10, my video comes out. And also on Good Friday, April 14, of 2025, Patricia King comes out with her own video defending Todd White against my video. We're going to watch clips of that video now. And my main goal here is not to defend myself. I'm not super interested in that. I want to show that this is cover up culture in practice. Another big wig leader comes out and what is she doing? She's defending the guy who she should probably help expose if she was to actually find out what was really going on. I also know from witnesses I've talked to since this video came out that Patricia King actually spoke to somebody I spoke to in the past. And that person was shocked when Patricia made this video because she should have known better.

[Patricia King]

I have spoken to him. I called him about the 25 points that have recently been brought up. And his story is very, very different.

[Mike Winger]

That's the premise of her video, is there's a whole other side to the story. Very, very different. And then she continues to give like a laundry list of reasons why we should basically not consider my video very seriously. This is a shame because Patricia here was heaping doubt and skepticism on the best opportunity available so far to bring proper biblical accountability to Todd White. And she was making the victims, the people who are witnesses of Todd's stuff, making them look really bad, not to mention me.

[Patricia King]

When you speak on behalf of another, you're a second level witness. You're not an eyewitness. You're a second level witness. Even if you're an eyewitness to the eyewitness, you're still a second level witness. You can't say that you're a eyewitness.

[Mike Winger]

Okay, I don't know what this means. I just know that Patricia King got up and was like, todd has a different version of the story, which would make her a second level witness, not an eyewitness because she just talked to Todd, who says he had a different version. What does that mean? I spoke to a number of witnesses and then I shared their information publicly. It was real. See, here's the thing. When you can't prove someone wrong, you get them on protocol. This is cover up Culture 101. Get them on protocol. Well, sure, maybe there was some truth in what you said, maybe there wasn't, but wasn't really the right protocol. You were a second level witness, so you're not an eyewitness. Except I never claimed to be an eyewitness. That was never a claim I made and nothing I said dependent on that. But this is one of the weird, like sort of brain muddling things that Patricia King added into her video. The reason why they were anonymous again was because Todd's panic because there's a spirit of fear around Todd White. It's just true. And so we had a two step plan. I'll come out with my video and then if needed, maybe more witnesses can come forward publicly. In the past and now they are. Rashid is coming Forward publicly. Robert McKinney publicly. Hershey Schaffner publicly. Joey Blodgett publicly. Robbie Dawkins publicly. All people who have had leadership positions, including all the people who are currently signing the website, which I will remind you of right now, toddwhitepetition.com where if you've been part of lifestyle, you can sign it. Let's remove the NDAs and sure approve an independent investigation and I will just make sure the results get published. That's going to be the thing that I want to make sure happens. So you want witnesses? Let's get them. Here they are. Let's get them. But Patricia King, she was doing some other stuff.

[Patricia King]

I am not judging anyone and I am not saying anyone's done anything bad or anything like that. I'm just saying let's raise the bar and let's really love. Well, and let's. Before we just go out and start talking about what we've heard. When you have 500,000 people watching a negative report about a person and then they go tell five more people.

[Mike Winger]

We got to remember she said that in just a second. I'll come back to it. But first Patricia says I'm not judging, I'm not judging anyone. But then proceeds to offer veiled judgments only in one direction against me and the witnesses and the video and the witnesses. And so she's clearly warning of me. So she's doing the thing she's saying not to do, which is judging. Let me back it up just a bit so you can hear this part again. I think it relates to on the same day, Todd White saying the same.

[Patricia King]

Thing part about a person. And then they go tell five more people. You know, that's millions of people now that are being infected. And what if all the things infected.

[Mike Winger]

Is the word she uses? People who found out about my video on Tawai were infected are not true.

[Patricia King]

I'm not saying they are. They aren't. I'm just saying there is a totally different story.

[Mike Winger]

This is bad. I can tell you. I have had a long meeting with Patricia King and a number of other people where I confronted her about this video on Todd White. And I asked her, did you check witnesses you have access to these people, you could connect with them easily. And she did not acknowledge that she had talked to any of the people I had talked to. I later found out she did. She conveniently left that out in our conversation. The only people she mentioned to me that she talked to after saying I've spoken to many people, she mentioned Todd White, Todd's daughter, Todd's wife, and Todd's lawyer. These are the names. And then she suggested I talk to Todd's lawyer. The other version of the story she hears is from the guy who is a pathological liar, it seems. And I later find out again, I'm going to say this again. I later find out she talked to one of my actual witnesses, at least one of them who had talked to me as well. And she still made this video. I don't know what's going on here. I can only guess at this point, but it's wrong. It's wrong what she did here. It's absolutely wrong.

[Patricia King]

That hasn't been heard yet. They become the judge, they become the jury and they put it out there and then every.

[Mike Winger]

So I'm not judging anyone, but. But Mike Winger is the judge and Mike Winger is the jury and he put it out there and he's infecting everybody. That's the message.

[Patricia King]

One else. And that's why the writer of Hebrews says, beware if you've got a bitter root on the inside of you. It says many can be defiled, many. So we just want to make sure that we're not doing that.

[Mike Winger]

This pearl clutching stuff is disastrous. This is cover up culture from the like super feminine side. Okay? And that's what I'm seeing here. And I want it to be called out because Patricia is believed by many to be the person who advocates for victims and the person who helps and supports people. But maybe in some cases she does. I don't know if she's ever called somebody out first or if she's only ever reacted to somebody being called out. My jury's still out on that one. But here she's participating absolutely in coverup culture. Now, after my three hour talk where it was actually a bunch of us and part of it, I confronted Patricia King and I asked for evidence. She said, you got some real things, some things really wrong here. And I said, can you give me some examples, Patricia? Because I will publicly come out and repent and I'll clear the air if you just show me what it is that I got wrong. She said she talked to a bunch of witnesses. She couldn't give me their names. She left out the one name who I know would have told her how bad Todd was and then suggested I talk to Todd's lawyer. Then she removed this video. It's no longer on the Internet. And you might think, oh, so she's changed, right? She's repented. No, no, no. She saw the spotlight was on that video and she removed it. I don't think that was because she changed her mind. Why? Because she literally this week was speaking at Todd's preview week for the Lifestyle Christianity University School. She was speaking at the preview week this week, according to Todd White's website. So what is really going on here is Patricia King is doing cover up culture for Todd White. Now, she mentioned the 500. Remember that? 500,000. 500,000 people view it. And if each of them tells five more people, you've infected so many, well, is it really just a coincidence that on that same day Todd White gave a message where he said something remarkably similar?

[Todd White]

Brother, let me tell you something. Can you believe they did this? The next person says, did you hear what they did? The next person said, I can't believe it. They did. Now you've got five people and you, instead of living for Jesus, have succumbed to the wisdom of man. Why? Because it says that it's sensual, it says that it's demonic, it's self seeking.

[Mike Winger]

We're seeing cover up culture in practice here. Him and Patricia have their conversation behind the scenes. They coordinate their ideas, whether that's like the conspiratorial or just coincidental. Their ideas are now coordinated and they share the same thing publicly, which is all these people are being infected and ruined. The truth is Todd White has to be exposed. And when people watched Patricia's video, they got infected with things that were misleading and deceptive. When they watched Todd White's teaching, they got infected with things that were harmful, deceptive, that were slanderous towards other people and hiding Todd's issues. That's the reality of the situation, is that nobody here is not casting judgments. The question is which judgment is true, which is accurate, which is supported by multiple witnesses and backed up by the testimony of scripture. Here's the next clip where she claims that Todd's side of the issue has never been heard.

[Todd White]

Brother, let me tell you something.

[Patricia King]

There's ways to do things. Like when you hear one side of a story, don't make final decisions on anything until you hear both sides of a situation.

[Mike Winger]

That sounds good in principle. I actually, I think it does sound good in principle. Here's the problem. Todd White has been sharing his side of the story for a very long time. Right? I am basically sinless. I see miracles everywhere. I fast 40 days and only drink water. I do this and this for God and all these things. And I have healings and I have miracles. What you haven't heard is the other side of the story of the person who says, I told Todd White something about that woman, and then he literally walked over there and he said, God just showed me this about you. You don't hear the other side of the story where somebody watches Todd White harass someone into confessing a miracle to get it on camera. That's the other side you haven't heard. You haven't heard the truth about Todd White because all you've heard is Todd's story. So what Patricia Couches as the other side. That's my video. That's my witnesses. We're telling you the other side. Todd White for decades has been telling people things that aren't true about himself. Now you're getting the other side. Allow me to show you Todd White's side of the story.

[Todd White]

I have not lived with regret my whole life. I don't do things that cause regret. I've had people come to me and say, todd, let's see where you are in 10 years. It's been 11 and a half, and I'm more on fire than I've ever been. Oh, I can feel that. Oh, he loves me. I have lived every day of my life for 11 and a half years in the love of God. Your hand can no longer cause you to sin because you're too in love with Jesus and you're being convicted of the very thing God told you to seek first. I've Woke up for 11 and a half years in love with Jesus, knowing that he loves me every day. I've never, ever questioned his love for me. Live free from sin or the want to sin. I've lived with a clean conscience for 11 and a half years and I haven't violated it. And if I don't violate it, there's no room for condemnation. I've been a Christian for 16 years and I haven't lied one time in 16 years about anything ever. So I've honestly. I've been saved for 18 years. I have not lied for 18 years. Yeah, because it's sin to me. I've woke up in love with Jesus for 13 years straight. I haven't had one day of guilt or shame or condemnation for 13 years straight. So I don't haven't had one day of depression. I have perfect peace. I go to sleep. I live and rest every day. I get to cast out devils every day. Every day. I get to see the sick healed every day. I'm like this all the time because I live with me. So I've lived for 13 years without a day of fear.

[Mike Winger]

That is Todd White's side of the story. Patricia King suggests we don't want the court of public opinion, but she's doing exactly that in the court of public opinion and it's just shameful. This is cover up culture and that she has to answer for this video because it wasn't something she did. I don't care that she did it to me. I get videos made about me all the time. I almost never respond. It's because here's a chance to take a fraudulent leader who is bringing harm to individuals. And we have a bunch of individuals who are part of his ministry that are so convicted that he needs to be exposed that they're going to bring it to me knowing that it's going to cause them a headache. And then Patricia King comes along and she just pushes the whole thing right down. That's cover up culture. Once again, the leader comes in and fixes the problem. That's cover up culture. Now it's where Patricia pretends ignorance.

[Patricia King]

I don't know who all the people were that were mentioned in the report because they were anonymous, but it was mentioned by the podcaster that they were people who had worked with, taught their own staff or whatever. But I mean, those are, are people that might have had disagreements or seen things in a, in a, in a small circle. But like the public, the millions that were touched by Jesus, like, they're probably going to be pretty confused. Are we doing this the right way, Church? Are we honestly doing this the right way? Is this the best way?

[Mike Winger]

Here's the thing. Everybody who knows Todd closely knows these witnesses are telling the truth. They all know, right? He's lost multiple teams. There's a bunch of people who could back up exactly these statements. It would not be hard for Patricia to call people and confirm it. It's interesting as she calls me the podcaster. Patricia, you're as much of a podcaster as I am, if that's what you want to call me. Most people don't listen to me on podcasts, by the way. But anyway, it's considered a slander. It's a slur term in this sense. The podcaster or you're on YouTube as a slur in and of itself because I want to give free content to reach as many people as possible without them having to pay for it. Anyway, she pretends ignorance here. She has to. If she doesn't know, she should not be talking. If she knows, she wouldn't say what she's saying unless she was just being deceitful. I don't know the truth about Patricia King. Maybe Todd lied to her. She did not do her diligence to check with witnesses. Or when she did check with witnesses, somehow the lies overrode what those people told her and she came out and did this. Now imagine for a second how convinced I have to be to say all this publicly, knowing that I could be subject to a lawsuit from Patricia. I mean, you could sue anybody for anything because it could be completely fake, false, wrong lawsuit doesn't mean you can't file it. You're subject to a lawsuit from Todd White, who is the kind of guy who might do that, I'm told. But because these things I believe are true and because it's a systemic problem in the Charismatic church and we want to change it this generation, God willing, I'm going to come out and say it now. One of the COVID up culture things is what I would call the impossible standard. And this is where you give rules for exposing a leader that are ultimately either impossible to do or so difficult to do that it effectively avoids exposure ever happening.

[Patricia King]

And if you haven't prayed and fasted for people before, you would dare expose anything then, then, then that's not okay. And if you're not in perfect love for the one that you're exposing, you know what does love look like? Jesus, it says, was a friend of sinners. That's a high and holy calling. And he loves, even when we are not behaving rightly, he loves.

[Mike Winger]

When Patricia made her video about my video, did she pray and fast for me first? Was she in perfect love for me? Did she contact me to get my side of the story first? I don't think any of those things happened. It's a one sided standard. You know what? I hear what you're saying that pastor really hurt you. Let's say someone really injured you in some way. That person really hurts you. But are you in perfect love for them? Hold on, where is this in scripture that you will only receive the testimony of witnesses who are in perfect love for the person who hurt them? I want them to be in perfect love for them. But that is not a requirement for assessing the truthfulness of their claims. This is an impossible standard. Often when you deal with hurt people. You deal with people who have emotional baggage. And so you are not going to find them in perfect love. You need to take them where they're at, try to help them. Maybe if you bring restoration or you bring justice to the situation, that might help them be restored to perfect love. But using this as a standard is evil. It's unbiblical. It's not what you should do. And then I could always ignore complaints from non believers because they're never in perfect love and they're never going to pray and fast for the person. It's an impossible standard.

[Patricia King]

But when you manipulate footage to make a point that is not true and you're intending to give that, that impression, that is a lie. And when you show video clips where you don't show the context of a message, but you just take a clip out of here, a clip out of there and put it all together and you present a picture of something that's not true and you do that intentionally to make a point there, that is a lie. Okay? That is a lie.

[Mike Winger]

This is a difficult portion to respond to, but you can understand the impression you would get if you watched Patricia King's video. You'd be like, okay, so Mike probably pulled clips out of context. He's not telling both sides of the story. He wasn't in perfect love for Todd. Is this really the best way to do this church? Is it really? Is it really? And all these things. And it would be very like disheartening to people who thought we need to have high moral standards. And if these witnesses are telling the truth, we need to chase this down. Instead it just, it just, just squelches the whole thing. That's the impact it has and it's unfortunate. So here we get another clip section of Patricia King's video which helps us understand coverup culture because it's the double speak of COVID up culture.

[Patricia King]

Right now I am not making any statement about Todd White except to say I love Todd. I've always seen him to be a righteous man and known him personally. I'm not with him 24 7. In fact, we, we don't even live in the same city and so we don't get together that often. But I'm telling you that right from when I first met him, which was almost 20 years ago, I believe I've, I've known him as a, a really good person who loves God with all his heart and is totally passionate for the Lord.

[Mike Winger]

I'm not making any statement doublespeak. But Todd, I've just known him 20 years. Righteous, godly, all these good things. That is the doublespeak. And this is what keeps happening. Big leaders come in and they endorse him. And then the board just seems like the small little mouse compared to these people. And do you really want to get the treatment that I'm getting from Patricia here? Do you really want that? There are people who will have seen Patricia's video. They'll tune out of the rest of this, but they will forever remember that Mike Winger is that guy. In fact, it gets worse. I'm effectively the Accuser of the Brethren. This. Okay, this is where she gets into her prophetic cover up culture stuff. And here she suggests that I am being used by the enemy Leviathan and all this other stuff. So here we go. On November 4th of the prior year, 2024, she had delivered the following prophecy.

[Patricia King]

On November 4th of this year, which was the day before the elections, I had a word that came to me and it was, and I titled it in my journal, the Accuser of the Brethren is Coming in fury. And I wrote this early this morning. I was impacted by a strong revelation of the Accuser of the Brethren being activated like never before. It will be fueled by the election results, but it will get nasty. Even within the body, it will be out of control. This spirit will try to disqualify many from moving forward in their mandates. The words and actions of this spirit will give Leviathan its opportunity in this season. Leviathan will be fed its nourishment through believers who have come into agreement with and who are partnering with the Accuser of the brethren.

[Mike Winger]

This November 4th prophecy, which she delivered on the 12th, she read it online. This was like right around the election, right? Trump's getting elected and she says it'll be fueled by the election results. I never saw the fruition of that. And to the. I scanned a bunch of her videos. There's no, like, explanation of how that was fueled by election results in the future. So there's no fulfillment as far as that, far as we know on that. But this word she continues to mention over and over. And the only event that happened right after this that would be considered, maybe could be in the category of accuser, is the daystar situation started to come out just a little bit after this. The daystar situation, which is still continuing and is basically causing them to crumble. And from the outside looking in it, well, let's just say there's something there. There's a lot there. So I haven't covered the daystar thing because it's been covered by others and I don't want to cover all this stuff. I'm trying to help in situations I think won't happen if I don't step in. And I think the Ta White one won't get fixed unless I help. So. Or someone like me helps and no one else is currently doing it. So the original word comes and then from then on she has this Swiss army knife. She can pull it out anytime she wants. And she does. She pulls it out a lot. Patricia King pulls it out many times over the next several months. The accuser of the Brethren. I told you guys. The accuser of the Brethren, I told you guys. And just a Swiss army knife because you can use it to apply to anything, including Mike Winger when he brings a Todd White video. This is where as I continue clips from her video right after my video dropped April 13, she says this and it was interesting.

[Patricia King]

Last November I got such a clear word of the Lord and he told me clearly, he said, the accuser of the Brethren is coming with fury, partnering with a spirit of Leviathan, which twists and distorts and its mission is to divide the body.

[Mike Winger]

Now I get to actually be the accuser of the Brethren, partnering with the spirit of Leviathan fueled by blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I'll just remind you that this is Cover Up Culture because imagine in a community, if we went to the same church together and she had more like sort of clout than I did. She says stuff like this, then I try to show up and be part of the fellowship the next day. Dude, you're done. You decided to try to expose one of the elites, another elite backed them up and now everybody thinks you need a demon cast out of you. That's Cover Up Culture Reminder that she deleted this video not long ago. And she has also spoke recently at Todd White's Lifestyle Christianity University Preview. We need to talk though, about Gary York. Gary York featured sitting there in the green or teal or whatever that is. He is the vice president of Lifestyle Christianity. He's there next to Solomon Koepke, one of the goons of COVID up for Steve Coco. Gary York, as you see, he's connected not only to Steve Coco but also to Todd White. He is their current vp, probably a voting board member as well right now. And you can see they like to hang out. Gary and Todd hanging out. The reason why I bring up Gary Yorke is because he is, I believe, helping Todd White do Cover Up Culture. Now this is confirmed in a few different ways. For one, we have the fact that when Rashid got on the he specifically requested Gary be put out because he was a yes man who was not bringing a healthy board culture. We also know that when that team left, Gary York was brought right back in. And we also know, and I'll show you this, that as soon as the accusations started coming out which were true, Gary York started trying to push them down. And I have evidence of that. So Gary York, he's helping Todd White do cover up culture. He is basically a rich guy, does trucking and stuff and he wants to be very close to the guys on stage. That's how I understand it. This is the Give God Glory event that Gary York puts on annually. And here he is introducing Todd White to introduce and bring Todd up here. But this man's impacted his. Yes, has impacted so many people. And I've been blessed to travel with him and just see the ripple effect that it has. He's had a big impact, impact on me and I enjoy serving him. So he sees it as like Todd's this really amazing leader and amazing man of God and I enjoy coming alongside and serving him. And I think that this is a thing to watch out for. Watch out for people who are enamored by the leader instead of just the mission. They're enamored by the leader. There's a big difference between those two. Just my honor, I've seen him walk through hell. You guys have no idea when you get to a certain spot, the attacks that come. This is after my video and not so much they come from other Christians and it breaks your heart. It breaks my heart. But I've seen this man walk through hell. It is actually really convincing. You see the guy get up there, he shares these things and you suddenly forget that there's like a host of people who've been hurt by Todd and the COVID up that's gone on because it's all about Todd. He's just, just this poor guy. And not lose sight of the love of Christ and he's maintained it and, and it's just been my, my, you know, we've had some fun times one on one. And that's what I love, is that there's not a more priority in this man's life than the word of God and the love of Jesus. And he wants to share it with everybody. So it's my honor to call up my, I'd like to call my best friend at this point in time. Todd, come on up. We thank you for, for the vessel that he's that he's been in your hands. Lord, you've molded him.

[Todd White]

Can I tell you a couple of great times with Gary? Can I just tell you just a couple really great.

[Mike Winger]

Like they're connected is the point. He talks about a roller coaster and stuff, but the thing is that the connection's there. I just want to establish that it's real, that it's not. You know, he's on the V, he's the VP and he's connected to Todd in personal ways and he's defending him even in that opening. He's defending him against attacks from Christians and it's just unreal. And that is pretty much how he has treated things in the past as well. To understand how he's helping Todd White though, you have to understand how Gary York has helped the predator of Panama, Steve Coco. When Steve Koko was about to be exposed through the form of one of his female victims, she's recording like a two plus hour interview where she told the story of what he did, how he basically seduced her through like ministry, promises and God speaking. And he used his buddy Solomon Koepke, who prophesied they were going to get married. All these guys prophesy marriage to these girls and then they take advantage of them. Then he had to test her out. I won't get into the details in this video. It was bad. There was abuse, there was all that stuff. That's the reporting that I've shared on it and I'll link the video down below. But when this happened and there was a pastor who said, I'm going to show the board this interview we did, we need them to see what this girl says and his board, they're the ones that have to hold him accountable. That's when Gary York marched into the room that same meeting and he dropped down NDAs and he required that all of the staff sign NDAs before watching this video. That's this Gary York, he did try to actually stop the meeting before it happened. He says here, when he's writing to the board for the CFC Cities for Christ board for Steve Cocco's ministry, he says that it is him that they have approved to head up the restoration process of Steve Coco. So he's going to leverage this sense of right. What happens when there's cover up culture? You go outside the board, you grab some other guy. If the board's turning against you, if they're with you, you're fine. But if they go against you, you grab somebody else who comes in and becomes the one in charge. So he says, I take this mandate seriously and want to see the full restoration of Steve Coco. So in keeping with order, I did not call this meeting, nor do I feel this meeting is needed at this time as it relates to Steven Coco's restoration. He's trying to stop the meeting so the victim's testimony doesn't come out. He says that it is, quote, out of order. It's dysfunctional and a disservice to the restoration process you have tasked me with. Well, it is a disservice to getting Coco back in ministry and keeping him going like nothing's gone wrong. And so he shows up, he brings the NDAs, tries to get them all to sign NDAs, because if he can't stop the meeting from happening, continue, you at least stop the information from getting outside the meeting room. That seems to be the next goal. That's the Gary York that is now helping Todd White. In addition to this, Gary York tried to take information control about Steve Coco and his sins. And he says he requests that all future correspondent from Cities for Christ board regarding Steve Koch's restoration be sent to me directly and only to me. I will be responsible to dissemble information to the restoration team. Who is this outside team that he formed? Guys like Koepke. This is the guy that's helping out Todd White right now. This is the guy who previously helped out a predator who he could help expose, but he won't. Instead he tells people, I distanced myself from him. That's what he's telling people now. Gary York is one of the goons of COVID up culture who comes in and does this stuff. He then went on to spread false gossip about advocates for these women and the victims of themselves. And he then encouraged Koko to take a paid vacation and then to display visibly, it seems, how sorrowful he was and how repentant he was. In the end, Steve and Coco took a paid vacation and then tried to just return right back into ministry. And it was after that, sometime after that they started reaching out to me for help. And here is Todd White with Coco and Daniel Kolinda down in South America sees Todd White is standing there right next to him on his left, that's Steven Coco. There's Daniel Kalindo on the far right. And I just want to show there is a connection here. Gary York is connected to both of these men. Both of these men have been credibly accused of some serious things and Gary Orc is helping both of these men. Then we get what's on your screen now. After My video was coming out. There was an internal email sent by Gary York to the team. And here Gary York tells Todd White's team, I want to take a moment to offer a clear and unified reminder on how we as a team should respond if we encounter a negative YouTube video or any online content targeting our leadership or the ministry as a whole. They never use my name, do they? It's always vague, but everybody knows what they're talking about. This is the day after my video. He says, do not comment, defend or share these videos on any public, any platform, public or private information control. Please don't repost, link or discuss videos with others. That's thought control. You can't even talk about it. He goes on. Guard your heart. He says the enemy often uses accusation and confusion to distract and divide Spiritual manipulation, he says. Proverbs 6, 16, 19 reminds us that God deeply opposes deception and division. He hates when people twist the truth or spread rumors. Even half truths and subtle gossip can damage trust, stir conflict and distract from what God has called us to do together. Unforgiveness and division are tools Satan uses to weaken the church. The implication of course is that my video is wrong is that it is deceitful and divisive and ungodly and God hates it. That is the implication. But let's see what else he said to them. Leadership is looking through all the accusations and are handling things accordingly. Within the accusations there is a lot of twisted information. There is another attempt of this is another attempt of the enemy to come against the vision that God called us to. So clearly my video is very evil. Satan is directly using this so that he can come against the great vision. Right? It's about the whole body. It's about his whole impact in the world. But they're looking through all the accusations and they're going to handle things accordingly. But they already know there's a bunch of stuff that's not true. He says more churches have been. Here's a quote from Francis Fran Japan. More churches have been destroyed by the accuser of the brethren and its fault finding than by either immorality or misuse of church funds. Okay, so just so you know, Todd White's immorality and misuse of funds not as big of a problem as my video. Satan has sent forth an army of fault finding demons against the church. He sends this to Todd Stein. The fault finder's spirit assignment is to assault relationships on all levels. Masquerading as discernment. This spirit will slip into our opinions of others, leaving us Critical and judgmental. Except that's of course what he's doing. He's slipping into the, in the discernment mode, into other people's minds as they read this email that without even knowing what my video is, they know that it's evil. Don't talk about it, don't mention it, don't share it, don't like, don't do anything. It's demonic, right? That's the hypocrisy of all this stuff. The fault finder demon will incite individuals to spend days and even weeks unearthing old faults or sins in their minister or church. The people who are held captive by this deceitful spirit become crusaders. This is cover up culture, guys. This is Gary York doing for Todd White what he has done for Steve Coco and he needs to be held accountable for it. Gary York, what you've done here is evil. This is evil. He also said this on social media. He didn't post the previous stuff right about like there's a video, dah dah. But he just puts this quote from Francis Van Japan up also. This is on April 9th. And so yeah, we're looking at cover up culture on display here in the form of Gary York. I think that he needs to be held accountable. This man is a goon of COVID up culture. This man is propagating harms onto other people because of the way that he's treating these things. Maybe he thinks he's in the right. He's enamored by Todd White and he's just with that he won't even listen to an accusation. He won't even consider whether it's really true. They say they're looking into it, but then they already say it's demonic, which implies there is no looking into this. We're rejecting it because it's we like Todd. It's cover up culture. Cover up culture. And can I tell you what it really works? It really works. Well, my name is mud in that circle. Absolute mud. I've been informed reliably that my name is mud in that circle. The problem with that is not that I'm offended by that. I feel pretty distant from it to be honest. But the problem is that Ty White will continue and everybody who accuses him rightfully accuses and confronts him. Their name will become mud and they'll be accused of other things that they never did. So that Todd can just keep on going and he has his yes men and he's got himself set up and he's going to keep on plowing unless there's real accountability, which is why we're saying drop. The NDAs approve a third party independent investigation. We'll get Grace or someone like that to do it. And I've heard a good track record. And we'll get a real reporting on what has gone on with Todd White. You guys will. You guys won't do it, though. I'd be shocked if you did it. And if you don't, if Todd White's ministry doesn't, their silence in the face of a free investigation that could justify and prove Todd's innocence, that will speak volumes. And they'll come up with an excuse. Some. Some. Some invalid excuse, to be honest, I predict. Okay, I'm being a little bit cynical, but I think it's well earned in regards to Todd White. All right, let's talk about some examples of Todd's lies. These are things I couldn't include in my original video. I would have wanted to, but we had to rush it out and so I couldn't. So I'm going to include them here because it's further verification. When you put all the pieces together, hopefully you'll realize I'm not nitpicking. We're revealing someone who has a fraudulent ministry and who is disqualified and who just further penalizes people who try to hold him accountable and does so with the assistance of individuals like Gary York and Patricia King.

[Todd White]

But in the process of my knee, I saw 36 knees get healed while I was going through that stuff. And that's just one situation of stuff that I've been through.

[Mike Winger]

This is a situation where he had to get knee surgery because he tore his knee. And he likes to brag about it. He goes like, I had 36 knees that I got that I healed during that time. This is a very specific number. 36 knees. Now, let me build this case for you guys a bit. But in the process of that, 36 knees healed. Now let's look at a different clip.

[Todd White]

I just got surgery. I came out. I'm in physical therapy. I saw 43 knees healed while I was going through knee surgery, getting my knee healed.

[Mike Winger]

43 knees healed. Okay, that's a discrepancy. It is interesting. The number seems to get bigger the older he gets. Let's keep that in mind. But 36 versus 43. But there's another problem in these clips. In one of them, he says his knee got healed. God, he healed his knee. And another clip, he says his knee was not healed miraculously, by God, because.

[Todd White]

I went through this. Like, I tore my knee and like, it was not good. I had to get like, I was headed to surgery. When I touched tore my knee and I was walking around, I actually had to get surgery. It did get healed. So I went and had. This was years ago, but I had the immobilizer on. I just got surgery. I came out. I'm in physical therapy. I saw 43 knees healed while I was going through knee surgery, getting my knee healed.

[Mike Winger]

Now, let me give you even more context. In this clip, he's talking to a young lady and her issue is she wants to pray for people to get healed, but she has not been healed. Then he tells a story about how he tore his knee. It did not get healed, but he prayed for others and they got healed. Now the number is larger than the other account. It's 43 instead of 36. But clearly he was not healed. Right. Well, let's look at the older account where now he's not on stage with someone who is unhealed, who's praying for others. He's just being interviewed. And here he says he was healed.

[Todd White]

I tore my knee one time and I end up going to a doctor. My doctor is Jewish. He's a Jewish doctor. So I go in there and I tell him, Jesus is going to heal me, man, I don't believe like you believe, but you can see right here, they did the mri. There is a tear right here. And you need to understand that we have to operate on this because you're so.

[Mike Winger]

This story. You're going to get the real, the full story. I wouldn't say the real story. You're going to get the full story from Todd.

[Todd White]

He's not going back to normal. So we prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and nothing. I didn't get to see it healed. I'm a little.

[Mike Winger]

Initially didn't get it healed. Keep listening.

[Todd White]

Overwhelmed. Because I told this Jewish guy, I said, man, God's going to heal my knee. So I'm like, man, I just. God, it'll be great for him to see the heal my knee. And I'm like, I just want to kneel down. I'm trying to squeeze my knee. And I hear this voice, this still small voice, just go ahead. And I kneel and bent the whole way. And my knee was completely healed.

[Mike Winger]

It was before surgery. His knee was completely healed. Completely healed. As a testimony to this Jewish doctor. He says, now the interesting thing about this, of course, is like, but you got knee surgery. You've admitted you got knee surgery. So if you got healed, how do you explain that you got knee surgery.

[Todd White]

It's ridiculous, man. You know, this is a workman's comp related injury. So I have to go and I have to get him to sign off on this thing. So I go in his office, I said, guess what, man? And I started jumping around. I squatted way down the ground, held my squat, stood up, jumped off the ground. He was checking it, moving my knee all sideways, trying to see. Then I. I will go ahead and do another MRI because workman's comp isn't going to pay for it. He goes, and that's the only way that I can release you.

[Mike Winger]

Okay? So he has to go through the surgery even though he's healed, because that's the only way workman's comp will pay for it. Like, God can heal his knee, but he can't solve this workman's comp problem.

[Todd White]

I don't have eleven hundred dollars. What am I going to do? God speaks to me in the car and says, he's my son. I want you to go through the search surgery. I'm thinking in my.

[Mike Winger]

Wait, this is again a testimony to the doctor.

[Todd White]

All right, God, you healed me. Why would I go through surgery? Something. Is this the devil? Then I hear God say, he's my son, but he doesn't know it. The devil wouldn't say that to me. So I went through surgery.

[Mike Winger]

Okay, surgery.

[Todd White]

And my knee really hurt. Like he cut me open and did the arthroscopic surgery. Now I've got to go to physical therapy too. So I went to physical therapy. I was healed. I know I was. And I've got to be in there for 45 minutes three times a week.

[Mike Winger]

So he gets healed and then God, like miraculously healed. And then God sends him through the surgery and the surgery resets the healing back because he just had everything cut and replaced or whatever. And so now he's got to go through full recovery process. So the healing lasted for what, like 10 minutes? Just so the doctor could open him up and go, oh, he's healed. And if the doctor noticed he was healed, why didn't he close him up? Instead, he opens him up. He apparently doesn't notice he's healed. He carves him up, he puts the thing in and that's somehow a witness that he's God's son. And you can't be God's son apart from Christ. You're only the son of God if you are in Christ. He's making stuff up. That's what's happening here. That's what's happening. He's making stuff up. He had a very embarrassing thing for a guy that's known for healings. He had to have knee surgery. That's embarrassing. That's awkward. So you want to attach a healing story to that. You want it to have a healing story connected to it. Healing other people or healing yourself. And so he concocts this thing. Later on, he has a slightly more realistic version where other people could heal, but he didn't at all. And in this earlier version, it's maybe more see through. But there's a lot of other times where Todd can be caught on camera saying things that just couldn't really be true.

[Todd White]

I never read a book before. I couldn't read. So a learning comprehension disorder. I had bipol, adhd, dyslexia, borderline schizophrenia. I had manic depression, diagnosed all this stuff. So when I got rescued, I. I couldn't read. So this Bible was off limits for me. Any book was off limits. But if you can't read a regular book, opening the Bible is ridiculous.

[Mike Winger]

Can't read a regular book. Couldn't read. Dyslexia, bipolar, all of those things, right? Couldn't read.

[Todd White]

The Bible's the first book that I could understand. I couldn't read. I had a reading disorder. So all my life I never read a book. So the Bible is the first book that I can understand.

[Mike Winger]

This is what he tells some crowds.

[Todd White]

The Bible's the first book I can read. I had adhd. I had that learning disability my whole life. The Bible's the first book that I can actually read. Ain't crazy. It's amazing. I can read other books, but the Bible is the first book that opened up to me. Wisdom of God Pink just started to open it up. I told God, that's it. I don't have any wisdom. I'm wisdomless. He's like, way to start. Way to start right there. That's good.

[Mike Winger]

Bang.

[Todd White]

And it opened up.

[Mike Winger]

First book that opened up to him or the first book he could read. So we know that he was in the military briefly. He got discharged. Dishonorably discharged. You have to pass written tests. You can't not be able to read and go through the military. We also know that Todd White's arrest record is connected to check fraud. It's fraud and that sort of thing. And so you're like, you're not telling me you don't know how to read and you're running scams and you're doing your asvab and you're Getting the military and you're doing homework and stuff like this. Like, that doesn't make any sense. And then of course, he confesses later, oh, I could read it. First book that opened up. This is the kind of thing where you go, maybe that I could just give him the benefit of the doubt. And he's just excited. I think this is where a calculated manipulator plays off of your goodwill, and you should not do that. Actually, in this next audio, we'll hear what he said to his students after my video came out, when he was trying to sort of clear the air and sort of half confess a few things. This is what he said about the reading thing.

[Todd White]

I could read, but I couldn't understand. So why read? I've shared that a million times, so it's not like I couldn't read. It's just that my mind would drift when I read so I wouldn't get anything from what I read. Does that make sense? It's kind of like when you're thinking about something else and you're trying to read the Bible. But have you ever been thinking, like, you're thinking about a problem where you're thinking about an issue, and then you're like, I'm going to read Ephesians today. And then you read and you get to the end of the chapter and you've been thinking about your issue, but you hit. You're not connecting to this. So instead of it being the Bible, my whole life, whenever I tried to read, that's what happened. So I couldn't remember. Like, you know, you read the paragraph and you test on what was in the content. I. I couldn't do it. So all my. I scored really low on that because my attention deficit disorder, if I could, and I couldn't focus.

[Mike Winger]

So in the previous statements, he couldn't read a book at all. That was the first book he read was the Bible. That's what he says to some crowds. And he had dyslexia and reading disability, or learning. Excuse me, learning disability here. He says he had add, he could read, but he just didn't really, like, you know, get a lot out of it or something. And he doesn't. Why not mention your dyslexia? I don't know. Because maybe he didn't. Maybe you're getting these different versions of the story now. It's better for him to try to be more clean and come clean about part of it. That's kind of a strategy here that you can have, is to partially admit to stuff and then regain people's trust. So let's talk about how many people he prayed for on a regular basis.

[Todd White]

I actually prayed for six to seven people every day. Made it a mandate. I prayed that way for about three and a half months, so probably about 500 people. I didn't see any manifestation. And you would think five to seven.

[Mike Winger]

People a day every day and you're getting no result.

[Todd White]

None.

[Mike Winger]

Later on he tells the story a little bit different.

[Todd White]

And so this happened for like a long time, like three and a half months. We prayed for an average of 10 people every day and I saw no miracles at all. Prayed for over 900 people without seeing anything.

[Mike Winger]

In 10 years, he has almost doubled the number of people he prayed for.

[Todd White]

I prayed for about 10 people, 12 people, maybe 15 every day. I made it in my heart. I was going to pray for at least 10 people a day.

[Mike Winger]

This is in his interview with Dr. Michael Brown that has been removed now from the Internet. Now he's 10, 12, 15 every day. He said in the same interview he made a commitment. I am committed to pray for at least 10 people every day. Before he said he had a mandate and he prayed for five to seven every day. Then it was 10 every day and then it was 10 to 12 to 15 every day. I believe this is just the tip of the iceberg. Remember that he said he has had not one lie in 16 years. And those close to him said he was the most prolific liar they had ever known. And they're real witnesses. Now you all know that he never lusts, that he never violated his conscience. Basically never sinned. There's more stuff I could share about Todd White lies about miracles. How he got inside info and pretended it was prophecy in a specific situation. Actually he lied about. Oh gosh. I could tell you more stories, but I don't have permission to share those stories so I can't give you the details again. I'm telling you I have been in contact with many witnesses and everybody who's close to him already knows. They already know. I'd like to talk briefly about my Todd White theory. This is conjecture. I bring this up because I to want want people who are trying to process what they've experienced with this man to have something to hold on to. I think that Todd White is now who Todd White has always been in the past and I would like to demonstrate who that was. In this series of clips, Todd White tells us exactly who he was in the past and I do believe he's exhibiting that he is currently those same things.

[Todd White]

See, I worked in sales when I was in the world, and I was really good at it. But I was a liar, a manipulator, and a maneuver, and I could sell anything to anybody. It didn't matter. And take your stuff when you didn't see I was a thief. So I lie and I get jobs. I can get sales jobs because I'm a con artist. I'm a manipulator. I'm a maneuver. I can manipulate anybody and get whatever I want. That's how I live. So then I meet some girl in this bar. I'm gonna manipulate her. She's gonna be mine no matter what.

[Mike Winger]

So I did.

[Todd White]

So we move in together. I trick her into thinking I'm this amazing guy. So I end up meeting this girl on a blind date. We go out together. I trick her into thinking I'm amazing. I could sell. I could sell anything. I mean, I was a manipulator, a maneuver, a liar. I was really, really good at it. Kind of crazy to say that in church that you were a good liar. But I was. I was a professional man. Sales was my easiest thing. I mean, I. I could sell anything to anybody. I mean, I quit or got fired from everything, but the one job I had, it was a sales job. I was a great manipulator. Oh, I was good at it. I could sell anything. I sold drugs, so I could sell anything. I was a maneuver man, a liar about everything in my life because I couldn't tell the truth.

[Mike Winger]

One of the motivations Todd may have had, he has expressed himself, was his desire to be in the spotlight and his desire to command crowds and tell them what they should do and basically control people.

[Todd White]

I joined this band because I knew that I wanted to, like, sing and get crowds, rowdy and be in the front, be the man, all that stuff. I was the singer in a band and I needed to be the front guy because I needed to see people.

[Mike Winger]

Yeah.

[Todd White]

Awesome song.

[Mike Winger]

Wow.

[Todd White]

I needed that in my life. I needed to get the girl so that I could tell people that that was mine. It's the story of humanity need to die so that we can truly live. One of those things is the need to be appreciated by people. When I look like a straight up fool, like today, even today, like every day. But I. But I don't look like a fool. I looks like. I look like a follower. See, but in people's eyes, I look foolish. Because the normal is not doing anything, you know, to draw attention to yourself. But understand that if you're drawing attention to the king, it's different because I was that guy. I was the singer in a band. I had to get people moshing. I had to get people like dancing and jumping around and throwing their beers in the air. That was me. When I got saved, that thing got so broken because I realized I was drawing everybody unto me because I felt bad about me. And when people liked me, I felt better about me. But really, I couldn't really feel better about me because I didn't know him. And when I got saved, all of a sudden you are not. See, I was really bold for the devil before Jesus. It was bad. Like, really bad. I was a singer in a band. The guy getting people to mosh and nail each other and hurt each other on the stage, like that was me. And now here I am causing a ruckus the other way. Number one in my life.

[Patricia King]

Why?

[Todd White]

Because it made me feel good when I made people laugh at other people's expense. It made me feel good when I was the singer in a band and I had the party moving. It made me feel feel good. My whole life was based on feelings.

[Mike Winger]

I think what we're looking at with Todd White, to be completely frank, and this is my conjecture, is that there was a man who was a liar, manipulator, maneuverer, and he wanted to make himself feel good. And he liked standing in front of large crowds, motivating and moving people, seeing people's eyes light up, seeing the influence that he could have on other individuals and that he has brought that into his ministry and that a lot of sincere people have joined with them over the years only to find out that the real Todd is not the one that you thought when you saw him on stage. Now, I've previously made a video dealing with the miracles of Todd White. I'll link it down below some of the leg lengthening things like that that I think is relevant right now. But I'll hold off on sharing that info again. I'll just link it down below. Now what I've shared with you is the testimony of many witnesses. They all do agree on the issue that Todd White is disqualified and they have put their necks on the line. I have shared supportive evidence and little bits here and there that when you add them up, they give you a whole picture that is very disturbing. It's sad that more leaders who absolutely know about Todd White have not raised their voices. I hope they will in response to this video at least to offer some affirmation so that we can push and motivate the people in his ministry. His current board of yes men, most of them, it seems like they're yes men. Maybe they'll change, I don't know. I know some of them are and maybe they'll be motivated to take action. Gary Orc needs to step down from any ministry board he's part of. If Gary Orc's part of another board you're aware of, you should call that ministry and talk to them, I think, and let them know about this video. And I want to give credit to Gary York for this video and Patricia King for this video and Randy Hooper for this video and those who have helped cover up for Todd, to Paul Allen for this video. This video would not be needed without your efforts. But it is needed because you guys are part of COVID up culture. And that's what I'm trying to expose is the COVID up culture. And cover up culture is real. It involves big names who sometimes intimidate boards and a rule that boards ultimately cannot control the leader, even though when there's disasters, they're exactly the people who are supposed to do that. Don't shop that out to somebody else boards. If you're part of a ministry and you're on the board, you need to chase down those things yourself. And you need to make sure that it's done properly. And if nobody will, then anybody needs to raise their voice because we have to have integrity in the body of Christ. Again, I've offered up to $100,000 for an independent investigation. They only have to approve it as long as it is going to be proper. And I will approve that. It's set up in the right way to do the right thing, do the honest and integrous thing. Anybody who has been involved in any of the stuff that Todd White has done, including Todd himself. If you are truly repentant, I would champion people forgiving you. But we would need to see fruits of repentance and not just claims. If Todd has ministered to you, I'm sorry for the turmoil that you're experiencing right now. He spoke to you about a Jesus who was real and he may have communicated to you something from scripture that was very true. But you will have to go back and you'll have to vet through your experiences to figure out what was legit of the Lord and what was maybe hype or delusion or just, you know, pumping things up that aren't quite real, that feel good in the moment but don't last long term. You need to vet through those things but hold on to Jesus. Remember, even Judas baptized some people who were truly Saved. Even Judas did. And this should not make you question or doubt your own personal salvation in any way. But the vetting process I'm talking about is what we read about in 1st Corinthians 3. He says, for when one says I follow Paul and another I follow Apollos, are you not being merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? What is Todd? What is Mike? Servants through whom you believed as the Lord assigned to each, I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything but only God who gives the growth. He who plants and he who waters are one. One. And each will receive his wages according to his labor. For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building. According to the grace of God given to me like a skilled master builder, I laid a foundation and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. And if Todd laid some foundation in you, if it was Jesus Christ, hold on to that. If it was not, you need to get rid of that part. Why? Because there's going to be different ways of building on people's lives. And Todd's way is there's some serious problems with it. Now, if anyone builds on the foundation with good gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one's work will become manifest for the day, will disclose it because it will be revealed by fire. And the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. You need to vet, we all have to vet, go through and make sure that the things that we've been fed into us, the things that have been built upon the foundation of Jesus, are gold, that they're righteous, that they're true. And that may mean getting rid of some stuff in your life that you've learned from sources that we're not doing a good job and it's better to do it now rather than later. So I know that that's going to be maybe a rough time for some people. I hope you're not discouraged in Christ. I hope you remember that it was Christians that brought this stuff up and Christians that blew the whistle and it was cover up culture that allowed it to go on for so long. There's actually a lot more that could be said about Todd Wyatt and even the ministry things that have gone on around him. But I think this is enough. I think this is enough. I think I'm done with it, with Todd at least, and this series of videos on Cover Up Culture. I won't keep doing this. I don't like doing these videos. None of them are monetized. But I will link this series down below in the video description. And the reason I want to highlight that it's a whole series of videos is because we're trying to undo a systematic problem. The one foundation that stands is Jesus Christ. Cover Up Culture. We can get rid of that. We can confront it. We can deal with the problems that are going on that are especially bad in the Charismatic Church and still hold on to Jesus as our foundation. I hope that we can do that. And I hope other charismatic leaders will watch this video and the other videos in the series and you will step up as well and you will say the things that you know. Because I'll tell you what, if they even just told you about all the people that they know in the circles that are frauds, that would put us light years ahead as far as bringing recovery and transformation into the church, into the body of Christ. So to my brothers and sisters, I am genuinely sad to bring you this video. I'm tempted to say I'm sorry to bring you this video, but it's not as though I've done something wrong. This, I believe, is what's good and important. And I believe the Lord has in fact laid this on my heart. I do think that that's the case. It's amazing that so many witnesses have come forward and even trusted me to tell their story, even though they know I won't tell it in a way that perfectly they agree with. And that's just the nature of this stuff. It's messy. I've offered to you my best understanding of what's really going on, trying to bring it to the church and say, let's deal with this again. This video would not have been necessary if in April of last year when I made my video, things were handled properly. Instead, Cover Up Culture took over and once again just continued to happen.