Mike Winger (14:41)
In case you guys hadn't noticed, in this particular video in the Coverup Culture series, I'll link below to the whole playlist, which I feel lame linking to a playlist like this. It's terrible. All terrible videos. You know what I mean? They're terrible in the sense that it's terrible that they even need to be made. But what I want to do in this video is highlight the NDA issue. We are again requesting that they drop all the NDAs because Todd White is holding these NDAs over people who he said he loved and cares for, who would like to just speak truth and hold real, true accountability, and he will not let them free from these NDAs. I would have more witnesses public right now. If it wasn't for Todd White's NDAs. So yes, Robbie Dawkins has come out. He's the only one that I know of, at least. Surely there may have been more and I just wasn't aware of him. But the leaders who should have come out, the people who knew all about Todd behind the scenes, they're not a whisper from them. In fact, instead what we got was Todd took basically a paid vacation. He's still doing events now. He's got 12 cities this year. He's touring around, including Puerto Rico. He's still doing his school. And I believe those students are in spiritual danger. And Patricia King came out and did a video covering up for Todd White. I smile because I get to talk about it today. And it was such a good example of COVID up culture that I'm going to get to show you guys. So you can see it's not just in Mike's wild imagination that this stuff is happening. So my sources were anonymous at the time. Now they won't be. And it was easy to just attack me and ignore the evidence presented, ignore the sources, just go after Mike Winger. And so she did. Patricia King went after me hard. Well, that's not going to work. And in fact, it's going to backfire today. But let's get some names on the record here. I'm going to go to the open letters, The first of which comes from Robert McKinney. Allow me just to read it to you. There's going to be a lot of reading right now, but all of it is incredibly important and valuable. We need to get these facts on the record. To whom it may concern. My name is Robert McKinney. I first met Todd White around 2007 or 2008 at a Randy Clark Voice of the Prophets gathering. From that moment, I believed we had begun a lasting friendship rooted in a shared passion for Jesus and revival. Over the years, my involvement with Lifestyle Christianity became daily and deeply personal. My wife served as financial chief officer while I served as board member, vice president, chair of the board, and eventually as CEO. During a season when massive staff walkouts had left the ministry in crisis. I accepted that role not out of ambition, but out of love for the ministry and a desire to help stabilize it during a time of great need. At first, I believed Todd needed mentorship and accountability. But over time, it became clear that he did not desire counsel. He desired compliance. What he valued most was not truth spoken in love, but agreement. That was something I could not offer. Now I want you guys to understand that Robert McKinney was deeply, deeply connected to Todd. Todd lives in the house that Robert McKinney built. Todd was given much support from Robert McKinney and even when other people were walking out on him, Robert was doing what he could to try to help keep Todd going, believing in him, believing that he was just a flawed leader that needed some help and assistance. It is only after much, much prayer and thought that he decided to go forward. And you have to understand this is like best friend material for Todd. He called him his best friend. So these are significant things for him to come out and share. So I'm going to read on. In the letter he says Response to Allegations I'm writing in response to the letter publicly read by Mike Winger several months ago, with which I largely agree. Since that time I have received numerous requests to address allegations surrounding Todd White's leadership at Lifestyle Christianity, including the false claim that I or others attempted to take the ministry from him. Let me state this clearly, those allegations are untrue. No one I served with ever sought to steal Lifestyle Christianity. Our only desire was to see the ministry walk in. Integrity, account, accountability and truth. And this will be shown even more as I play more. I'll play some clips and some stuff and then I'll share more with you guys. It'll be shown more and more. But this was one of the primary allegations. The primary allegations against the people trying to expose Todd was you're trying to steal the ministry. You're going to hear more about this as we go. None of it was true. It was never true. This was a lie said about people who had been hurt so that Todd could keep hurting people. That's what this was all along. And he was getting away with it and did get away with it for a long time. Intent and Motivation when questions are raised about leadership, it is often easier to portray those raising them as adversaries rather than friends. My intent and the intent of those who served alongside me was never to harm Todd or the ministry. We loved Lifestyle Christianity and wanted it to flourish under godly, healthy leadership. In the early years, I witnessed Todd's passion for evangelism, prayer and outreach. I do not deny that God used him to touch lives, but passion without accountability can become dangerous, and over time, that danger became reality. The Shift toward control and Manipulation the turning point came after the purchase of the Watauga Building. What began as a ministry of vision slowly transformed into an organization centered on control. By the way, the purchase of that building was connected to a Sean Bowles prophecy, which I will play later On Todd White raised a lot of money from the Sean Bowles prophecy, or so it seems. I'll play it for you. They've deleted it. They've hidden it, but I have a copy. Robert goes on and says, decisions once made through prayer and counsel were increasingly driven by emotional pressure and manipulation. Loyalty to Todd began to outweigh loyalty to truth. A consistent pattern emerged. If you agreed with him, you were anointed. If you questioned or disagreed, you were labeled rebellious or religious. Tears, guilt and spiritualizing language were often used to wear people down until they surrendered. And what we mean here is Todd White would use his tears and guilt. That's how I understand Robert. Todd White would sob and cry and he would guilt super spiritual language. And you'd be like, I prayed all night and God showed me this and how do you fight against that? So you just really, really strong pressure. He's a tenacious guy when he wants to be. One moment I will never forget involved a proposal to spend $20,000 of ministry funds on a personal protection dog. I voted no, believing donors would not want their contributions used in that way. I had already seen concerning spending patterns. Over $80,000 for an unused in house studio and over $30,000 for personal landscaping and privacy features. That's ministry money being used. Used for his landscaping and privacy features. That night, well after 10pm Todd came to my house, emotionally pressing me to reconsider. The conversation wasn't about stewardship. It was about submission. I felt cornered and deeply troubled. That disagreement was being treated as betrayal. We also asked Todd to fly coach on short domestic trips to help reduce ministry expenses. He refused, insisting that first class was necessary for his sleep machine. This response did not align with our request. It was not about international travel, but short domestic flights. Imagine saying for your two hour flight you need first class for your sleeping machine. Weird. There were other troubling patterns. Todd often invited individuals from across the country to come run with him. Those of you who saw my Sean Bulls video remember the come here strategy. I remember a man from California who arrived after being told he was needed for marketing. We already had a full marketing team. The man went home the same day, disillusioned and confused. This became a painful pattern. People drawn in with promises then discarded when they no longer served a purpose. Private conversations as leverage. And please stick with us for the whole video. Guys. There's a lot of information here that needs to come out to build a thorough case about Todd because his own will not hold him accountable. That's the reason why we need to Gather all the evidence and the testimony of many witnesses. And in revealing this one situation, it is going to be tied into the broader issue of COVID up culture in the charismatic church. Private conversations as Leverage Todd frequently shared private information about marriages, donors and ministries, things no leader should disclose. At first I assumed these were shared for prayer or counsel. But over time, it became clear that such conversations were being used as leverage, not out of care. I mean, I've heard secondhand stories that came from Todd that were slandering other big ministry people. He's been on stage with decisions made without counsel. Now this gets to a really important point. In April 2020, Todd announced from the stage that lifestyle would start a church. He just announced it from the stage that the whole ministry, they're going to start a church. Neither I nor the board nor the leadership team had been informed. He said, God told me to start a church. One of Todd's favorite phrases, it seems, is God told me because how do you are you with God told me. Years later, after his service, he admitted that the decision came from boredom and a desire for platform. He was bored because it was 2020 and Covid had locked everything down and there weren't speaking engagements. It was heartbreaking. Once again, spiritual authority had been invoked to justify personal impulse. When God told me becomes a tool to silence discussion. Spiritual manipulation has replaced discernment. Other examples include requests for the ministry to cover personal daycare costs, preaching honorariums directed to him personally rather than to the organization. I can say I spoke with a missionary where he did this. He asked them to rewrite the check that they had written to the ministry, which was the arrangement they had, and he said, write it out to me. So to someone else who said that Todd was getting speaking engagements and instructed them not to let his ministry know that he had these speaking engagements because he wanted the money himself instead of sending it through the ministry as they had agreed. So where am I preaching honorariums directed to him personally rather than to the organization, and international trips described as urgent assignments from God that turned out to be paid speaking engagements each blurred the line between personal benefit and ministry stewardship. I could list countless examples, but I've chosen just a few to highlight a clear pattern. And thank you, Robert, for doing that. Personal wounds and disillusionment Robert says I did my best to serve faithfully. When Todd asked me to come to become CEO and vice president, I accepted because I hoped to bring structure and healing. I encouraged counseling for the leadership team. While some temporary progress was made, lasting change never followed. Promises were made repeatedly but rarely kept. This is part of where you have to realize the difference between a leader who's really changing and one who's just negotiating to continue on in power. And it seems as though that is the direction that Todd goes. The deepest wound came in 2021. Shortly after my son passed away, my wife, then serving as cfo, called Todd to share the news. He cried briefly and then abruptly shifted the conversation and said, guess what? You'd be so proud of me. In that moment, what should have been compassion became self promotion. It revealed how disconnected things had become, how empathy had been replaced by performance. I don't know if you guys ever had this happen where you know someone for a while and you assume that the care you have for them is the same kind of care they have for you. And then one little thing happens and you go, oh, you don't have that care for me. And your eyes are open to it. And this was Robert's moment. False accusations and retaliation. Before stepping down, I told Todd many times that I was willing to resign if it would help the ministry. Each time, he pleaded with us to stay, often in tears, saying he couldn't do it without us. We believed him. But when we later attempted to hold him accountable, following the Principles of Matthew 18, he rejected correction while he was away on vacation. Rather than pursuing reconciliation, he turned to lawyers and loyalists. We'll learn more about this. That's when the accusations surfaced that we were trying to steal his ministry. We'll learn a lot more about this. The narrative was false and deeply painful. Years of loyalty were rewritten overnight. Manipulation, once used privately, became public. You see these leaders, their clause have to come out against the people who try to hold them accountable. And you're stealing my ministry is a big one. Or you're just jealous of my ministry. You're just trying to destroy the work of God. We're trying to follow Scripture. Scripture tells us that the elders who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all that the rest also may fear. It tells us that in Matthew 18, when you get to the end of that three step process, you tell it to the church and you let him beat you as a tax collector, as a sinner. The Bible actually tells us to do these things. It also tells us to receive the testimony of multiple witnesses. Unless you have like, you know, if there's, if there's corroborating evidence, if there's multiple witnesses, if there's all this stuff, you have to listen that's biblical, we're required to. So let's read on in the letter. Lack of reconciliation and accountability. Since that time, Todd has never reached out to ask forgiveness for the false accusations made against me and others. You guys, this is months late. This is months after my video. Still, he's not even reached out to ask forgiveness for those things. To this day, Todd's understanding of forgiveness seems to stop at the words I'm sorry. Without the humility to ask, what can I do to make it right? Genuine repentance takes ownership and action. It requires admitting that the accusations were false and fabricated, designed to protect a need for control and to surround himself only with those who would never challenge him. Until that acknowledgment comes, reconciliation remains impossible. And I agree with this. This is a good, healthy Christian attitude. There's no real acknowledgement of sin. There's just, I'm sorry, can we get over it now? That's not the same final appeal. I want to be absolutely clear. No one I served alongside ever sought to steal lifestyle Christianity from Todd. There's a slight typo there. Sorry guys. Our desire was for the ministry to thrive in transparency, humility and integrity. I do not write this to destroy or discredit anyone. I write because silence in the face of manipulation becomes complicity. That is such a good line, Robert. I write because silence in the face of manipulation becomes complicity. And part of COVID up culture is all those who know about it and who could speak up and protect people like Robert from false accusations, like the students in Todd White School, like the other people who he manipulates and hurts all the time. But you choose not to. You have the power, you have the knowledge, but you choose not to. And that silence puts you in the category of COVID up culture. It's a culture that covers up for leaders who shouldn't covered up for. Robert continues. I still remember the Todd I met years ago. Bold, passionate and sincere. I believe God can still restore him, but without repentance, accountability and humility. I do not believe the ministry will be safe, a safe or healthy place for those who serve or give. My prayer is that Todd will embrace true repentance and accountability so that healing can come not only for him, but for everyone who has served, given and trusted this ministry. Only then can lifestyle Christianity become what it was always meant to be. A place marked by truth, humility and love. With sincerity and conviction. Robert McKinney that's just one letter. I've got four of these to read. All from significant leaders who had significant roles in Todd's ministry and they know what they're talking about, you guys. Many, many people complained to me because of my video before where I didn't have the names on the record. I had six witnesses. I confirmed behind the scenes. I corroborated their stories. I double checked things. This is what you're asking for. This is what you've got. Now we're going to see if anything happens. All right, so let's, let's look at the next letter. And keep in mind there's timestamps down below if you need to move around in this video for any reason. This one comes from Joey Blodgett. Joseph Blodgett was, and I'll just read the letter to you. He'll introduce himself to you and why this is very significant that he's coming out. An open letter to Todd White and Lifestyle Christianity. My name is Joseph Blodgett. I served as the event director at Lifestyle Christianity from September 2017 to August 2019, then again from July 2021 to May 2022. I also served as a teaching pastor at Lifestyle Christianity University from August 2021 to May 2022. You know what this means? Event director means that he's the guy planning Todd's traveling events. This is like was the core of Todd's ministry. Stuff is these power and love events where he would go out and he would do stuff and they had other things he did too. But it was a big deal. And Joey's here directing those events. So obviously he's deeply connected. He's a teaching pastor at the university, Todd's university. He says, I write today because I believe the church deserves leaders who embody integrity, humility, and fidelity to the gospel. Scripture is clear that those entrusted with pastoral leadership must be above reproach, trustworthy, gentle, and exemplary in conduct. And I'll just mention you guys, it's 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1, 1 Peter 5. We could read other passages as well. This is what the Bible requires of us. This is Christians just trying to follow Scripture. What I observed during my tenure, during my time at Lifestyle Christianity, I directly witnessed patterns that in my view, fell short of biblical leadership. These include fear and manipulation, teachings and tactics that, in my view, fostered division and confusion among staff, students and volunteers. Abuse of trust, personal or marital struggles shared in confidence were at times repeated or mishandled in ways that betrayed pastoral responsibility rather than offered redemptive care. So it is tight lips around Todd White and his issues that's required in his circle here, but not his tight lips regarding other people and their struggles and the pastoral things that they've had to have come to him for help with. I've talked to a number of witnesses who talk about how Todd would backbite and slander people behind their backs, seemingly because he was, like, intimidated or jealous that those people might influence the people he wanted to influence. Cultivation of division. Individuals were at times turned against one another through misrepresentations and untruths. I can give examples, but the letters will give other examples on this regard. So Todd White ultimately, it seems, goes out of his way to make stuff up so that you will distrust the other people around you. These are not isolated impressions. The recent open letter signed by numerous former staff leaders and board members, closely mirrors my own experience. And can I say, he was not one of the original signers. He came afterwards and was like, hey, this is all true. This is all true. Like others, I experienced betrayal of trust, emotional isolation, and spiritual manipulation. In my view, such patterns contradict and are inconsistent with the teachings of Christ, the fruit of the Spirit, and the standard for biblical leadership. And now we get to something that I was really grateful that Joey did. He says a personal word of repentance. As I call for accountability, I must acknowledge my own failings. Those who served under my leadership, staff, students and volunteers, I deeply apologize for the times I failed to confront destructive patterns, chose silence over courage, or did not adequately shield you from harm. As both shepherd and teacher, I was responsible for more than events or instruction. I was charged with protecting those entrusted to me. I fell short. I humbly repent and ask your forgiveness. And I think that's beautiful, Joey. I'm so grateful for you sharing that. I think that, honestly, that same statement should probably be echoed by other people who have been in that same circle. And it's like, it's not all over for you guys. Doesn't have to be all over for you guys. But recognize that you had a duty of care, not just a duty of lead. You had a duty of care, not just a duty of holding up Todd's arms. There's important things, and Todd is not the most important person in the room. No, we're all in Christ. We all have the image of God. We all are indwelt by the Spirit. It's every one of us that's incredibly valuable, not just the guy that draws the crowds. My hope for the future of lifestyle Christianity. I once shared a close and meaningful relationship with lifestyle Christianity, and I still believe in the redemptive potential of its mission, if rightly carried out. My hope is that the organization will take the following steps. Amen to this release. Number one Release all former staff and employees from non disclosure agreements NDAs to allow for open, honest testimony without fear of reprisal because NDAs are standard operating procedure for Todd White. Number two commission an independent third party investigation to ensure impartial accountability and transparency. My ministry is offering to provide the finances for that as long as it's correct. As long as it's a good investigation. Like it's not some trick. Number three Prioritize the care and well being of the flock above brand protection, reputation or personal loyalty. I have yet to see anybody do that in the videos and circles that I've called out so far. I'm hopeful, eager, at least at the time of recording this video. I'm hopeful and eager to see anybody do that, stop doing PR and start serving Jesus and those people with transparency and vulnerability and not trying to control everybody else. These requests are not rooted in bitterness or resentment, but in a deep conviction that the body of Christ must be safeguarded from spiritual harm and that leaders must be held accountable to the standards they proclaim. My goal in sharing this letter is restoration, not destruction. However, restoration requires genuine repentance, accountability and transparency, especially from those in leadership within the church. Grace and peace Joseph Blodgett, Former Event Director, Lifestyle Christianity Former Teaching Pastor, LCU. And the next letter is from Rashid Salem. Now Rasheed was a board member of Lifestyle. A board member. Todd was in his house. He was in Todd's house. He was deeply involved. He was brought in to try to help fix the ship because Todd keeps ruining the ship. He keeps starting dumpster fires in his own ministry because of his crazy behavior. This is what Rashid To Whom it May Concern the following statement reflects my personal opinions and lived experience based on my interactions and involvement with individuals and organizations connected to Lifestyle Christianity. This statement is shared solely for purposes of personal clarity and expression. It is not intended as a legal claim accusation or disclosure of confidential or privileged information, but rather as my individual perspective on events as I understand them at the time. And you guys can understand why this part of the paragraph was included. Todd, it seems, is the kind of guy that would sue you. My name is Rashid Salem and I served as a board member of Lifestyle Christianity for approximately eight months. This statement is not meant to attack a man or a ministry, but arises from a moral and biblical obligation to speak after first hand experiences and direct involvement with Todd White and Lifestyle Christianity. I was also an original contributor to the Open Letter to the Church, later read publicly by Mike Winger My purpose is to bring clarity and further legitimacy to that letter and the 25 claims listed. Additionally, my hope is that the broader culture of silence and lack of accountability that allows harmful behavior to persist would be challenged by those who know the truth but continue to do nothing about it. I say this because of countless people that came through lifestyle throughout the last seven plus years and know what Todd is about, but left quietly instead of warning others and his students that look up to Todd as their spiritual leader. There is a certain amount of culpability when you just bail. You can leave a church because you have differences, you can leave a ministry because you have some differences and you're changing life. But if they're an ongoing danger to others, you have to make noise. You have to protect the people around you to the best of your ability. You can't just walk away. But walk away is what happened for year after year after year for Todd White and his ministry. Who knows? He could have been stopped many years ago from hurting people, but he has piled up the damages and harms he has done to the body of Christ and now to the name of Christ. As these things go public because they simply will not deal with it the way they should, well, hopefully this gives them no reasonable other option. These concerns are not based on speculation or gossip, but on documented facts and first hand experiences from those closest to Todd over many years. This statement represents a last resort after repeated unsuccessful attempts at accountability and it is intended not for destruction, but for the protection of the church and a call for biblical accountability. I believe it was nine months ago that my video was made, which again was a last ditch effort after all kinds of attempts of accountability were made and we still give nine full months and he's just going to chug along like nothing happened. And his cronies that are still supporting him are either super naive and not fit to be in a position where they're in that kind of leadership, where they're knowingly supporting this wicked man. I don't know of a better option. I hope that there's repentance and there can be forgiveness, but we got to face the music and what's really going on here. Rashid goes on and says, in the summer of 2023, about six months into my board tenure, I became increasingly concerned and attempted to initiate internal conversations regarding what I perceived to be a troubling pattern of deception, lack of transparency and absence of accountability in Todd's behavior. I had originally joined the board under the impression that Todd was under legitimate spiritual Authority In a 2021 phone call, Todd told me that Dr. Michael Brown was part of his board of spiritual elders and he frequently referred to Dan Mohler as his spiritual father. These statements led me to believe that respected leaders were actively affirming him and providing oversight. This is commonly suggested in cover up culture. There's always trust me, board member. You're the guy that's supposed to hold me accountable, like legally as far as I can tell. But trust me, there's this other guy you'll never get to talk to. He's holding me accountable. Just shop it out to him. That's what often happens in these settings. We originally reached out to Dr. Brown because of a video we saw of him with Justin Peters in which he publicly defended Todd. And we thought it would be helpful to have someone of his reputation and caliber involved in helping us hold Todd accountable so they reach out to Dr. Michael Brown. Hey, will you help us out? Will you help us hold Todd accountable? However, Rashid says, after Speaking directly with Dr. Brown, I learned that he was not serving in the role Todd had described and in fact had no close relationship with him. On the call, Dr. Brown Let us know that he had also spoken the previous week with former lifestyle Christianity leadership with whom he had a close relationship and they confirmed the same testimony we were sharing. So Michael Brown knew about Todd, at least at that point. During the call with our group, Dr. Brown stated that we had the moral obligation to alert the church body to Todd's behavior and he immediately removed a recent podcast he had recorded with Todd from his website. Our purpose in contacting Dr. Brown was to seek his wisdom on how to best address the situation with Todd and whether he could play a role in bringing accountability. He explained however, that he was in the midst of his own investigation and unable to intervene. A few weeks later, toddlers allegations against Dr. Brown himself became public. And those who follow my content probably may have seen my video about Dr. Michael Brown in that situation. Very sad, Very, very unnecessary and forced. Because of the continued attempts at damage control and cover up regarding Dan Mohler, it is widely understood by those close to both men that he has no active role or authority in Todd's life. Does the public know this? You need to know this. Dan Moeller doesn't have that role in Todd's life as much as it may look like he does on stage. According to witnesses. From what I have been told by ministers close to both men, Dan has repeatedly said that Todd must come to his own revelation. Yet Dan continues to do events with him and this year he's Doing more events with Todd, lending his name and reputation in ways that make many believe the ministry is legitimate. Having heard some of the issues, he is still declined to meet with people who want him to hear the realities of what Todd does in an attempt to possibly bring intervention. Dan Muller, why won't you talk to them? Spiritually speaking? This is my commentary, not someone else's. Spiritually speaking. Dan Muller, you have responsibility with Todd. He literally echoes your message. He literally copies you. He's like, copies your mannerisms, even. And he says you're a spiritual father. He says, only me and Dan Muller are the only people in the world teaching this message. And it's. It seems as though you have some responsibility to do something about this. I think that you should, and it's unfortunate that you haven't. So hopefully you will in the future, and we will hope for that and look for that. But Rashid has nice things to say about Dan as well. And I want to put this out there. So do a lot of people, okay, I don't know Dan at all, but a number of people have been like, man, I really respect that guy. He's very real, so let that be out there. Maybe it's an Eli's son situation, you know, at any rate, Rashid says, at the same time, I want to give Dan the benefit of the doubt because I know how good Todd is at manipulating and how Dan's heart is to believe the best. Living at a distance, the issues are also less visible to him. Let's keep that in mind. We're just saying, Dan, please, will you follow up? Will you meet with some of the actual victims and some of the different people and find out what's going on and spend some time on this, because Todd has used your name quite a lot. Taken together, these realities left me with the impression that Todd may have invoked their names to create the appearance of being under spiritual authority when in practice, he was not. Again, it's not like Todd's. Like he actually is under Dan Mueller in that sense or is under Michael Brown. But he did make it appear that way, which brings them into it. Because of this, I initially assumed that holding Todd accountable and upholding biblical integrity would not be among my primary responsibilities as a board member, especially given the message he preaches on purity and righteousness and the caliber of leaders he suggested were supporting him. Prior to serving as a board member, I was a donor to Lifestyle Christianity. I gave believing I was supporting the advancement of God's kingdom, particularly through street evangelism and power and love events over Time, however, I came to the conviction that much of what I supported was not advancing the gospel, but sustaining Todd's personal lifestyle and ego driven ventures, including costly facilities operating far below capacity and significant ongoing personal expenses borne by the ministry. I would welcome Todd publicly proving this perception wrong by making the ministry's financials available from the last decade, allowing others to discern for themselves whether it is good soil and whether they should continue to support it. Can I just say a word to those who have donated to Todd? You may want to follow up on this. I think you really should, and I don't think you should give Todd your trust as you do. You're going to want to see the evidence of what's really gone on there. Over time, it became increasingly clear to me that access, quote, unquote friendship and kind or generous treatment were often tied to what someone could offer Toddlers, whether financial support, a vacation home or personal services. If he believed you could benefit from him, he was unusually kind and attentive. If not, you were often dismissed or disregarded. This perception was later reinforced by numerous testimonies I heard from others describing similar experiences. This culture of transactional relationships felt deeply inconsistent with the heart of true ministry and appeared designed more to protect Ty's image than to cultivate spiritual integrity. One of the traps with following Todd and Power and Love is that many people assume Todd and Dan Mohler are alike in character. Because Dan is known for humility, contentment and a lack of materialism, people often project those same traits onto Todd. Todd has been able to leverage his association with Dan as a kind of COVID continuing to use Dan's name and reputation to quiet the growing concerns about his own life and ministry. Tragically, because Dan has had such a profound impact on many, and again, I've heard wonderful things about Dan. Never looked into him at all. I've just heard people voluntarily giving some wonderful statements about Dan Muller. What's the full story there? I don't know. I have no comment on it. I want to make sure to communicate to you guys the truth of what or the reality of what people have said to me so that you have the information, because it's just gonna. We're just shining a light on this. It's time for the lights to be turned on to see cover up culture for what it really is. I, along with countless others who served at Lifestyle, extended that benefit of the doubt for many years, striving to believe the best, as First Corinthians 13 calls us to do. But in practice, Todd has proven to Be highly skilled at using scripture for his own advantage, challenging others not to question him, while manipulating and distorting realities for his benefit. I will play clips and footage of him doing this. You'll get to see the Todd White crash out after my video. You will get to see exactly what he's talking about.