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Big Ben History
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A series of conversations with the people in the cabinet room when Margaret Thatcher resigned
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The Fall of Thatcher - it ends in tears
Nov 21, 202000:28:06Tap to summarizeMargaret Thatcher was a triple election winner, feted abroad, whose premiership ended with her sobbing through her resignation statement. Ben Monro-Davies talks to the men and one woman in room where it happenned In this episode we hear from Peter Lilley. Lilley was and is an ardent Thatcherite. And out of loyalty to her - he felt duty bound to tell her frankly that her time was up after she failed to avoid a second ballot in the Conservative leadership battle of November 1990. Here he recalls a painful experience.
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - a Scottish perspective
Nov 21, 202000:20:28Tap to summarizeMargaret Thatcher was the longest serving Prime Minister of the Twentieth Century. And she thought she more time to run - until her party - and in her eyes, the cabinet - deserted her. On the Big Ben History podcast - Ben Monro-Davies interviews the men and one woman in the room when she cried through her resignation statement. In this episode Malcolm Rifkind, her last Secretary of State for Scotland, remembers the final days of the Iron Lady.
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - Morrison to Blame
Oct 2, 202000:13:37Tap to summarizeThe latest Conversation with the men (and one other woman) in the cabinet room when Margaret Thatcher resigned in November 1990. Today's guest is Michael Howard, who went on to be Home Secretary and Leader of the Tories. He was an ardent Thatcherite - who believes she would have gone on to win the 1992 election - but felt forced to tell her it was time to go because she had lost the support of her backbench MPs. He blames her exit on the man in charge of her leadership campaign - Peter Morrsion a Conservative grandee known for having an alcohol problem and now suspected of being a paedophile.
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - more Grandeur, less Grantham
Feb 29, 202000:39:21Tap to summarizeAndrew Turnbull, like other senior officials and her cabinet ministers, witnessed Margaret Thatcher tearfully read out her resignation statement to her colleagues in November 1990. As her Principal Private Secretary, he was also in the room for a series of one to one meetings beforehand where her colleagues told her the game was up. He recalls the events of her fall - and how the Prime minister had become incredibly preoccupied with foreign affairs - prompting the observation there was “more grandeur, less Grantham” - the town where she was born.
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - Loyal Lamont's dilemma
Oct 9, 201900:21:00Tap to summarizeThis is the latest in a series of conversations with those in the cabinet room when Margaret Thatcher resigned Normal Lamont considers himself a Thatcherite. He thought his leader was right on Europe - unlike most of his cabinet colleagues. But even ideological affinity and personal loyalty could not trump the numbers in November 1990 - when the results came in he had to tell her it was time to go.
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - the Last Man In
Jul 31, 201900:28:15Tap to summarizePerhaps no-one has experienced as bewildering a month in politics as Wiliam Waldegrave in November 1990. He was running the diplomatic effort to oust Saddam from Kuwait when he was suddenly promoted to the cabinet. Then just weeks later he was advising Mrs Thatcher if she could stay on. She couldn’t and he had a new boss - John Major. All just in just over three weeks. In the latest Big Ben History conversation on the Fall of Thatcher, he reflects on the longest month.
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - She could have held on
Jun 24, 201900:26:04Tap to summarizeLord Baker was Chairman of the Conservative Party at the time of Margaret Thatcher’s fall. He’d been given the job with specific aim of keeping in No 10 - and until November 1990 all seemed to be going fine. But Mrs Thatcher lost her temper with Geoffrey Howe in cabinet - he resigned - and gave a devastating speech to parliament calling for her to go. Even then he thinks she could have survived had she been willing to schmooze backbenchers, appoint a decent campaign manager, and face down her cabinet. Had she done so - her chairman thinks she would have gone on to an unprecedented fourth election victory Previous episodes include interviews with politicians Tom King, John Gummer, John Wakeham, Lord Mackay - and officials Robin Butler, Caroline Slocock,Charles Powell, Barry Potter and Desmond Morris
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - in the middle of war
Apr 18, 201900:31:51Tap to summarizeTom King was Margaret Thatcher's defence secretary. In November 1990 he was running the biggest deployment of UK troops since World War II for Operation Desert Shield against Saddam Hussein. He returned to find his boss on the way out and pleaded with her to pre-announce her departure so a more orderly exit could ensue. James Mackay was a Scottish lawyer who by November 1990 found himself number two in the cabinet, reading a tribute to Margaret Thatcher - and helping her struggle through her resignation statement. Both say it's a meeting they will never forget.
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - a squalid coup
Mar 24, 201900:21:23Tap to summarizeCharles Powell was Margaret Thatcher’s foreign affairs adviser for most of her premiership. They remained friends after she left office. He was with her in Paris when she discovered she had failed to beat Michael Heseltine by the necessary number of votes to avoid a second ballot. He reflects on her exit as a “party coup” that was little short of “squalid.”
Transcribe →The Fall of Thatcher - what Butler saw
Mar 14, 201900:25:54Tap to summarizeRobin Butler served Prime Ministers from Wilson to Blair. But as he said at her leaving do, there is only one anyone asks him about. He recalls her fall from power and his efforts to ensure the ship of state kept sailing.
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