Mamdani Won on Affordability. Can He Win Over NYC’s 1 Percent?

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Big Take Podcast Summary

Episode: Mamdani Won on Affordability. Can He Win Over NYC’s 1 Percent?
Date: November 5, 2025
Host: Sarah Holder (Bloomberg News)
Featured Guests: Emily Flitter (Bloomberg), Katherine Wilde (Partnership for NYC), Fola Akinibi (Bloomberg City Lab), Zoran Mamdani (NYC Mayor-elect), plus commentary from business leaders

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Episode Overview

This episode examines Zoran Mamdani’s unexpected and historic victory in the New York City mayoral race. The focus is on his sweeping affordability agenda, how he built a coalition across class and race, and—most crucially—whether he can govern a city so closely tied to the needs and desires of its billionaire and business elite. The episode explores reactions from wealthy New Yorkers and business leaders, and weighs their economic influence against a powerful grassroots push for greater income equality.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Zoran Mamdani’s Victory & Platform

• Historic Turnout: Over 2 million New Yorkers voted, a turnout not seen since 1969.
• Mandate for Affordability: Mamdani, a 34-year-old Democratic socialist, won every borough except Staten Island (00:56, 01:35).
• Affordability at the Forefront:
  • “Tonight you have delivered a mandate for change, a mandate for a new kind of politics, a mandate for a city we can afford.” – Zoran Mamdani (01:19)

Core Campaign Promises

• “The three pillars of his campaign are the fast and free buses, freezing the rent, and free childcare for children between 6 weeks and 5 years old.” – Emily Flitter (05:09)

• Roots of the Divide:

  • Mamdani “unapologetic and steadfast in his message that many of the city’s problems are rooted in income inequality.” (01:35)
  • “We will put an end to the culture of corruption that has allowed billionaires like Trump to evade taxation and exploit tax breaks.” – Zoran Mamdani (02:16)

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2. The Power & Concerns of NYC’s Wealthy

• NYC as a Wealth Engine:
  • From 2015-2023, 9,000 new million-dollar earners emerged (03:55).
  • The city now counts nearly 35,000 people making $1 million+ per year (04:20).
  • “The billionaires who already live in New York City saw their combined net worth grow 90% in the last nine years.” (04:20)
• Extreme Inequality:
  • Top 20% have incomes “33 times larger than the bottom 20%.” (04:47)
• Skepticism from the Elite:
  • “No one had basically ever heard of him. If they had, it was that he was a socialist and a marginal character.” – Katherine Wilde, business leader (06:36)

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3. Building Bridges: Mamdani’s Outreach to the 1%

• Initial Resistance: Major business leaders—owners, bankers, and real estate figures—were wary.
• Reluctant Engagement:
  • “If he becomes mayor I will call him and offer my help. Doesn't mean I'll agree with him.” – Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase (02:51)
• Facilitating Dialogue: Katherine Wilde (Partnership for NYC) reluctantly opened doors between Mamdani and business leaders (06:15–07:08).
• Shared Concerns, Stark Differences:
  • Agreement: “There is an affordability crisis in the city and we need to bring costs down.”
  • Disagreement: “We do not solve that by increasing government spending because that will just put a new tax burden on everybody.” – Katherine Wilde (07:08)

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4. Opposition Funding & Campaign Battle

• Big Money Against Mamdani:
  • Pro-Cuomo and anti-Mamdani PACs raised over $26 million, largely from high-profile investors (08:11).
  • “The advertisements and the messages… have been pretty dark pictures of what the city could look like under Mayor Mamdani.” – Emily Flitter (08:34)

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5. Policy Implementation & Constraints

• Who Controls the Purse Strings:
  • City’s budget and major policies (like transit funding and tax rates) require state support from Albany—not direct mayoral control (08:54).
• Reality Check on Affordability Promises:
  • Free buses could cost an estimated $700M/year; universal childcare, $6–$7B/year—requiring both city and state cooperation (09:18).
• Governor Kathy Hochul's Reluctance:
  • “Governor Kathy Hochul in the past has said that she is not open to raising taxes… she was heckled [recently], people were chanting ‘tax the rich, tax the rich.’ And she equivocated.” – Emily Flitter (09:18)
• Business Pushback:
  • “Personal and corporate tax increases are great concerns since we're the highest tax city in the country.” – Katherine Wilde (10:27)
  • “We do not want to lose those bonuses. We want them to stay right here.” (10:27)

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6. Fear of an Elite Exodus & Economic Reality

• Threats of Departure:
  • “If Mamdani wins, Wall Street will no longer be located in Manhattan. It will move.” – Heritage Foundation’s Stephen Moore (12:09)
  • Bill Ackman warned Mamdani’s “anti-business policies” would cause companies to flee (11:41).
• Sticky Assets and Institutional Roots:
  • “That’s not something that any of these owners or investors in real estate can just pick up and walk away with.” (14:23)
• NY is Still the Place to Be:
  • “In 2024, Wall Street south financial industry employees earned $182,000 on average. Whereas…in Manhattan…you earned…$413,000.” – Bloomberg Audio (14:47)
• Empirical Reality:
  • After tax hikes in 2021, “the data showed that people did not leave New York in significant numbers because of the tax hikes. It’s as simple as that.” (16:01)

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7. Compromise, Checks and Balances

• Civic Guardrails: If the city falters, “we have a financial control board… they take over. The mayor has no control over increasing income or corporate taxes.” – Katherine Wilde (16:23)
• Responsive & Adaptive Leadership:
  • Mamdani has begun to strike a pragmatic tone, incorporating feedback—for example, linking rent freeze plans to property tax reform (17:06).
  • “He has now incorporated into his freeze the rent plan, a plan to reform property taxes. So that's an example where I have seen him incorporate the feedback he's gotten and now seems prepared to take a more comprehensive and practical view…” – Katherine Wilde (17:35)
• Continuity of Public Safety: He pledged to keep Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch as an olive branch to critics (18:02).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Zoran Mamdani’s Victory Speech:
  • “Tonight you have delivered a mandate for change… a mandate for a city we can afford.” (01:19, Mamdani)
• Billionaires Under Scrutiny:
  • “We will put an end to…billionaires like Trump [who] evade taxation and exploit tax breaks.” (02:16, Mamdani)
• On Wealth’s Growth:
  • “The billionaires who already live in New York City saw their combined net worth grow 90% in the last nine years.” (04:20, Bloomberg)
• Campaign Pillars:
  • “Free buses, freezing the rent and free childcare…” (05:09, Flitter)
• Business Community Doubts:
  • “No one had basically ever heard of him… he was a socialist and a marginal character.” (06:36, Wilde)
• Jamie Dimon’s Readiness to Help:
  • “If he becomes mayor I will call him and offer my help. Doesn't mean I’ll agree with him.” (02:51, Dimon)
• On Property Taxes:
  • “We do not want to lose those [Wall Street] bonuses. We want them to stay right here.” (10:27, Wilde)
• On Wealth Flight:
  • “If Mamdani wins, Wall Street will no longer be located in Manhattan. It will move.” (12:09, Moore)
• Persistence of NYC:
  • “That's not something that any of these owners or investors in real estate can just pick up and walk away with.” (14:23, Bloomberg Audio)
• Response to Tax Hikes:
  • “Overall, the data showed that people did not leave New York in significant numbers because of the tax hikes.” (16:01, Bloomberg Audio)
• On Panic:
  • “Absolutely. My message would be, don’t panic, but be prepared to roll up your sleeves and help our next mayor…” (18:17, Wilde)
• Threading the Needle:
  • “I think that's what's going to define his administration… whether he's able to sort of, like, thread some of these needles.” (18:54, Flitter)
• Bill Ackman’s Post-Election Pivot:
  • “Congrats on the win. Now you have a big responsibility. If I can help NYC just let me know what I can do.” (19:32, as paraphrased by Holder)

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Flow and Tone

The episode is brisk, data-rich, and unflinching, blending earnest testimonials from ordinary voters and sharp skepticism from the city’s business mandarins. Mamdani’s own voice is direct and uncompromising, particularly on the issues of fairness and inequality. The business community’s representatives, notably Katherine Wilde, shift from early condescension to cautious engagement, ending on a note of conditional optimism. Host Sarah Holder keeps the discussion grounded in facts, city history, and contemporary challenges.

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Conclusion: The Balancing Act Ahead

Zoran Mamdani’s election is a potent signal of New Yorkers’ urgent demand for a more affordable city. The episode suggests that, despite bombastic warnings of a mass business exodus, the foundations of New York’s economy and its elite are strong—and, at least for now, staying put. But Mamdani’s challenge will be to deliver on his ambitious promises without alienating the revenue engines—Wall Street and the 1%—that ultimately underwrite much of the city’s budget. As Emily Flitter concluded, his legacy will likely depend on his ability to “thread some of these needles” (18:54), governing with both principle and pragmatism.

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Transcript

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Vision for New York City in 2025.

[Sarah Holder]

Looks like Zoran Mandani New Yorkers across the city went to the polls to cast their ballots for mayor. On Manhattan's Upper east side, we spoke to voters motivated by a wide range of issues. Mamdani is very like pro immigrant, pro LGBTQ community.

[Emily Flitter]

The biggest thing for me has been corruption that I've seen.

[Katherine Wilde]

But New York City is too big a city for somebody to run that has never had a full time real job.

[Sarah Holder]

No one's getting free groceries and no one's getting free rent. More than 2 million New Yorkers came out to vote for mayor, something that hasn't happened since 1969. And when the results came in, more than 50% of voters went for Zoran Mamdani, the 34 year old Democratic socialist whose platform was laser focused on one key affordability.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Tonight you have delivered a mandate for change, a mandate for a new kind of politics, a mandate for a city we can afford.

[Sarah Holder]

Mamdani won every borough but Staten Island. He won in precincts that were majority black and majority Hispanic, and precincts where most residents were renters and public transit users. Now, as Mayor elect Madani faces a new challenge governing a city of eight and a half million people, including the vocal minority of New York's wealthiest who opposed him and and poured millions into political action groups trying to defeat him. Mamdani has been unapologetic and steadfast in his message that many of the city's problems are rooted in income inequality. And in his victory speech, billionaires were part of what he said had gone wrong.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We will put an end to the culture of corruption that has allowed billionaires like Trump to evade taxation and exploit tax breaks.

[Sarah Holder]

But with their outsized income influence on the city's politics, economy and revenue, Mamdani has also tried to make peace with the city's 1%. And there are signs that several of those big name high net worth skeptics are already coming around. Last month Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, said at a conference led by Fortune magazine that he was ready to work with Mandani if he won.

[Emily Flitter]

If he becomes mayor, I will call.

[Michael McDermott]

Him and offer my help.

[Sarah Holder]

Doesn't mean I'll agree with him. And at a news conference today, Mamdani said he's ready to sit down with people like Dimon, too.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So I look forward to having those kinds of meetings, be it with Jamie Dimon or be it with other business leaders and continuing to show that our affordability agenda is an agenda that would also benefit businesses across the city.

[Sarah Holder]

I'm Sarah Holder and this is the big take from Bloomberg News today. On the show, New York City's uber wealthy tried to stop Zoran Mamdani's rise. Now they're processing his victory. Can Mamdani come to the table with billionaires and business leaders while delivering on the policies and principles that got him elected? New York, New York, the Big Apple, the city that never sleeps, and the city where money never sleeps.

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This is a really great place to get rich.

[Sarah Holder]

Emily Flitter covers economic and social inequality for Bloomberg. She says from 2015 to 2023, the city minted 9,000 new million dollar earners, a rate of 3 per day. By 2023, there were almost 35,000 New Yorkers making a million or more a year. But if New York is a good place to get rich, it's an even better place to get richer.

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The billionaires who already live in New York City saw their combined net worth grow 90% in the last nine years.

[Sarah Holder]

Mamdani ran on a platform highlighting the fact that along with that growing wealth has come a growing wealth divide. Here he is on NBC's Meet the Press in June.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I don't think that we should have billionaires because frankly, it is so much money in a moment of such inequality.

[Sarah Holder]

New York City has some of the deepest income inequality in the country. According to an analysis of census data by the center for New York City affairs, the top 20% of New Yorkers have total incomes 33 times larger than the bottom 20%. And Mamdani's campaign promised to tax those at the top to provide more public services for everyone.

[Emily Flitter]

The sort of three pillars of his campaign are the fast and free buses, freezing the rent and free childcare for children between 6 weeks and 5 years old.

[Sarah Holder]

Bloomberg City Lab reporter Fola Akinibi recently profiled Mamdani for businessweek and looked at why his campaign caught on.

[Emily Flitter]

It speaks to the underlying stress and the underlying weight of the conditions in the city. Right. And when you look at at the same time the stock market doing what it's doing and folks at the top getting wealthier and you see a federal push to cut taxes and the number.

[Sarah Holder]

Of millionaires in the city has grown.

[Emily Flitter]

Has grown as well. I Think people start asking questions about where they fit in.

[Sarah Holder]

But as Mandani campaigned on affordability for all, he also tried to win over the city's 1%. In New York, that's people making at least $900,000 a year. They're a big driver of the city's economy because of how much money they pay in income and property taxes. Mamdani recognized that a path to victory in New York included getting them on board. So he reached out to Katherine Wilde.

[Katherine Wilde]

During the year before the primary election, I had met with Zoran a few times, had introduced him to a couple business leaders.

[Sarah Holder]

Catherine is the president and CEO of the Partnership for New York City, a trade group representing the city's largest employers across industries like real estate and banking.

[Katherine Wilde]

Although there was not, frankly, a lot of interest in his candidacy in the business community, no one had basically ever heard of him. If they had, it was that he was a socialist and a marginal character.

[Sarah Holder]

After Mamdani's dramatic primary win, that changed. Catherine set up a series of meetings between Mamdani and the city's business leaders to talk about their visions for the city. Which policy areas have been most concerning or divisive to business leaders, and where are their areas of agreement?

[Katherine Wilde]

So I think in general, their areas of agreement are that there is an affordability crisis in the city and that we need to bring costs down and disagreement on how do we solve that with the business community thinking we do not solve that by increasing government spending because that will just put a new tax burden on everybody.

[Sarah Holder]

Many business leaders viewed Mamdani with skepticism, thinking he was young and relatively inexperienced. Some believed his proposals were unrealistic or even posed a fundamental threat to their financial interests. And Catherine said people in her network also had other concerns.

[Katherine Wilde]

One source of great concern is coming from members of the Jewish community that feel the strong importance of the Jewish homeland. The other areas are in terms of support for charter schools, mayoral control of schools, most importantly public safety.

[Sarah Holder]

Big name wealthy New Yorkers largely backed former New York governor Andrew Cuomo. A Bloomberg News analysis found that pro Cuomo and anti Mamdani PACS raised over $26 million between the June primary and yesterday's election, Fueled by donations from investors like Bill Ackman and Dan Loeb, as well as Michael R. Bloomberg, the founder and majority owner of Bloomberg lp.

[Emily Flitter]

There's been a lot of outside money flowing into this race. And when you look at the advertisements and the messages that are coming from these outside groups, these outside PACs, they've been pretty dark pictures of what the city could look like under Mayor Mamdania. They say that, like, you know, crime is going to spike and the city is going to change.

[Sarah Holder]

Mamdani won't be able to achieve his key affordability proposals alone because the city doesn't fully control its own purse drinks. He's proposed paying for things like free buses and universal childcare with increased corporate and income taxes. But the power to set those tax rates and the operation of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority is held in the state's capital, Albany.

[Emily Flitter]

So free buses would require likely some money from the MTA. The campaign puts a cost at around $700 million a year. The city has $116 billion budget. The city might be able to afford it on its own, but he, again, would probably need some state funding for that. Universal childcare is a huge. It's a massive undertaking. We're talking about six, seven billion dollars a year. And it's also something that could not be stood up, you know, in one year or overnight. Right. Like something that's going to take years. Now, Governor Kathy Hochul in the past has said that she is not open to raising taxes, and she has her own election to look forward to in 2026. At the same time, I think Mamdani's calculation here is that all these people can be pushed. And, you know, funny enough, if you look at Hoko's appearance at this Mom Donnie rally, that was about a week or two ago, she was heckled when she came onto stage, people were chanting, tax the rich, tax the rich. And she equivocated.

[Bloomberg Audio Studios Announcer]

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[Sarah Holder]

Hochul later said on a podcast that she still didn't plan to raise taxes, but that she was hearing people's voices. Katherine Wild says the business community, meanwhile, sees tax hikes as a non starter.

[Katherine Wilde]

Personal and corporate tax increases are great concerns since we're the highest tax city in the country. So a New Yorker today in a middle or upper middle income family, 55% of their paycheck goes to the government in state, federal, and city taxes. And if you go to Florida or Texas or Tennessee, you end up paying 38% because they don't have state and local income taxes. We just saw a $2.6 billion increase in state tax revenues because of Wall street bonuses. We do not want to lose those bonuses. We want them to stay right here.

[Sarah Holder]

How would the business leaders like to see Mom Donnie address some of those key affordability issues, if not by raising taxes or going to the state for.

[Katherine Wilde]

More money by reducing the size of government we have 300,000 employees of new York City government, the most in history. I think that the city spending is mostly on labor, and those expenses have gone up more than 50% over the past decade. So I think most people in the private sector think we could get along with less government.

[Sarah Holder]

The fear that wealthy New Yorkers might leave if they're taxed too much or if the city isn't run in the way they want is one that Mamdani's critics repeated in the lead up to the election. In late October, Bill Ackman posted on X that Mamdani's quote anti business policies, including higher corporate taxes, will kill NYC jobs and cause companies to flee. And here's the Heritage Foundation's Stephen Moore on Fox Business News in September.

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[Katherine Wilde]

Longer be located in Manhattan. It will move.

[Sarah Holder]

So now that Mamdani's one is Wall street moving to Florida? That's after the break.

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[Sarah Holder]

If New York's billionaires and multimillionaires were to pack up and leave tomorrow, it would have a big impact on the city's finances. The top 1% of earners account for 40% of the city's $18 billion in annual income tax revenue. And the homes they own and offices they run or work for rack up a lot of real estate taxes, covering a large proportion of the city's $34 billion in annual property levies. But Bloomberg's Emily Flitter says those big real estate investments are also part of the reason that it isn't so easy for the city's corporations to quit New York Barclays just announced plans to invest a billion dollars in an office tower in Times Square. J.P. morgan's new Park Avenue building fits 10,000 employees.

[Bloomberg Audio Studios Announcer]

That's not something that any of these owners or investors in real estate can just pick up and walk away with.

[Sarah Holder]

Sure, there are plenty of financial professionals who've already been lured to South Florida, earning it the nickname Wall Street South. But Emily says when it comes to earning potential and lifestyle potential, New York wins every time.

[Bloomberg Audio Studios Announcer]

In 2024, Wall Street south financial industry employees earned $182,000 on average. Whereas if you were working in finance in Manhattan last year, you earned an average of $413,000. And I'm actually, I'm from Miami. I love Miami. So I don't want to be dissing Miami, but it just doesn't have as much stuff as New York. It has fewer fancy restaurants. It doesn't have as many really high end stuff schools. And let me just point out that the biggest corporate move to South Florida has been from Chicago. Citadel moved to Miami. Ken Griffin moved down there. But Ken Griffin just announced that Citadel is going to invest a lot of money so that they can enhance their presence in New York.

[Sarah Holder]

Emily says if you really want to know how New Yorkers might react to a tax increase, you can look back to what happened after New York increased its top personal income tax rates in 2021 from 8.82% to nearly 11% for the highest earners.

[Bloomberg Audio Studios Announcer]

Overall, the data showed that people did not leave New York in significant numbers because of the tax hikes. It's as simple as that.

[Sarah Holder]

And while Katherine Wilds, the head of the Partnership for New York City, cautions that higher taxes could make the city less competitive, she says the fears about Mamdani have been overblown.

[Katherine Wilde]

Certainly I don't think people who are knowledgeable are going to pick up and leave before they know that something really devastating is going to happen. And there's no indication that that's the case. Much of the rhetoric around this mayoral election have suggested that a Mamdani victory will result in the city falling into deep decline, that it will be like the 1970s. People should know that if the budget in the city goes out of whack, we have a financial control board which is run by the governor, the state controller, private sector representation, they take over. The mayor has no control over increasing income or corporate taxes. The mayor has some control over real estate taxes. But Mamdani has already said he wants to reduce real estate taxes where possible. Last spring, he was talking about, I'm going to freeze the rent. We asked the question, how are you going to freeze the rent if you don't freeze the costs? How are you going to continue to encourage investment in rental housing if you don't have some incentives, financial incentives for that investment? He has now incorporated into his freeze the rent plan, a plan to reform property taxes. So that's an example where I have seen him incorporate the feedback he's gotten and now seems prepared to take a more comprehensive and practical view of that issue.

[Sarah Holder]

Catherine says another example of Mamdani's openness to compromise was his decision to keep Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch in her position. If he won, is it fair to say that one of the takeaways of this conversation at least, is Wall street, don't panic?

[Katherine Wilde]

Absolutely. My message would be, don't panic, but be prepared to roll up your sleeves and help our next mayor solve the affordability crisis, which will be good for business, for Wall street and for the residents of New York City.

[Sarah Holder]

As Mamdani enters Gracie Mansion, buoyed by the support of a diverse coalition of New Yorkers, a Bloomberg City Lab's Fola Akinibi says Mamdani will continue to walk this fine line. Can he come to the table for compromises with big business while staying true to the values that have made him so popular?

[Emily Flitter]

I think that's what's going to define his administration, right? Like, whether he's able to sort of, like, thread some of these needles.

[Sarah Holder]

I'm wondering whether you think the business community was caught off guard by the rise of Mamdani and what they should take away from the way that he's resonated with voters.

[Emily Flitter]

I think a lot of people were caught off guard by Mamdani's rise, and I think it speaks to again how much his message of affordability has resonated. This is a guy that throughout the campaign has stuck to that talking point. If you ask him any question, he'll always return to affordability as part of his answer to the question. And I think it shows the power of that kind of messaging.

[Sarah Holder]

Already it seems like Wall street is coming around. Bill Ackman, the billionaire investor who'd been warning of an imminent exodus of the wealthy if Mamdani won, posted on X last night, tagging Maidani, quote, congrats on the win. Now you have a big responsibility. If I can help nyc, just let me know what I can do. And even President Donald Trump, speaking earlier today, followed up criticism of Mamdani by saying, we want New York to be successful. We'll help him a little bit. Maybe this is the Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm Sarah Holder. To get more from the Big Take and unlimited access to all of bloomberg.com, subscribe [e-mail] podcastoffer if you like this episode, make sure to follow and review the Big Take wherever you listen to podcasts. It helps people find the show. Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.

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