#97 Ultimate Fat Loss Guide: Train Less & Gain Muscle Faster | Dr. Gabrielle Lyon

Summary

BigDeal Podcast #97: Ultimate Fat Loss Guide: Train Less & Gain Muscle Faster | Dr. Gabrielle Lyon

Host: Codie Sanchez
Guest: Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (Physician, Author, Longevity & Nutrition Expert)
Air Date: October 9, 2025

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Overview

This episode dissects the connection between muscle health, fat loss, brain function, and overall well-being with Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, who is renowned for her evidence-based, no-nonsense approach to health optimization. Codie Sanchez and Dr. Lyon focus on draining the noise out of modern health fads to distill the essential tactics busy entrepreneurs (and anyone else) need to thrive—without spending hours in the gym or obsessing over every new diet trend. The discussion is packed with practical routines, myth-busting, and a healthy dose of tough love.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Muscle as the "Organ of Longevity"

• Muscle is not just for aesthetics:
  • "Muscle is the organ of longevity. It is an organ system that we have taken for granted forever...Skeletal muscle is the only organ system we have voluntary control over." – Dr. Lyon [02:54]
• Direct links:
  • Better muscle mass = better brain health (“Alzheimer’s is type 3 diabetes of the brain.” [03:17])

2. The Minimum Effective Dose: Dr. Lyon’s Tactical Blueprint

• Three-Step Exercise Routine for High Performers:
  • 3x/week resistance training
  • 1x/week High-Intensity Interval Training (HIIT), e.g., sprint intervals/a minute on, minute off for 20 minutes
  • Increased daily movement (“If you are taking calls, walk.”) [04:46]
• Intensity Over Duration:
  • "The more intense, the better. I would rather have 10 minutes of excellent work than a day of I don't know what I accomplished." – Dr. Lyon [09:48]

3. Health Is Non-Negotiable—Especially for Entrepreneurs

• No such thing as a healthy sedentary person:
  • "There's no such thing as a healthy sedentary person." – Dr. Lyon [00:00], [06:08]
• Physical activity as productivity insurance:
  • “How are you gonna have time for sickness?” – Dr. Lyon [08:02]
• Busy people hacks:
  • Build activity into your calendar—it must be “non-negotiable.”
  • Treadmill desks, kettlebells/resistance bands at home, pre-prepped protein shakes [11:06]

4. Protein and Nutritional Simplicity

• Start day with 30g protein:
  • "Something very simple, practical, and tactical is 30 grams of protein first thing in the morning." – Dr. Lyon [13:03]
• Easy protein sources:
  • Shake (whey, rice/pea blend), Greek yogurt, eggs, steak/chicken patty, even salmon [13:20]
• Carbohydrates: Earn them!
  • "Anything above [130g carbs per day], you have to earn through exercise." – Dr. Lyon [00:31], [43:38]
  • For non-training/sedentary people: “Do not commit carbicide.” [42:49]

5. Sleep as the Ultimate 'Performance Hack'

• Consistent wake/sleep times are crucial:
  • “Good sleep starts in the morning. Also consistent sleep-wake times.” [13:49]
• Morning sunlight:
  • "Get outside in the morning, no glasses, no contacts—just get out there." [14:48]
• Why you wake up at night:
  • “About four hours after people fall asleep, we see...reactive hypoglycemia...and it wakes them up. So...a handful of carbohydrates and a handful of protein...” [19:25]

6. Purposeful Friction & Dopamine Discipline

• Avoiding life on autopilot:
  • “Humans love novelty, and novelty is one of the biggest distractions for health.” – Dr. Lyon [11:58]
• Technique for craving control:
  • “I flip a coin; heads I get it, tails I don’t...can you imagine after the fifth time of doing that, you’re way less annoyed.” [18:26]
• Anchoring behavior and environment:
  • Don’t depend on willpower, depend on simple environments and routines.

7. Social Connection and Mental Health

• Loneliness as a dementia risk:
  • "Not being in relationships...is a risk factor for depression and anxiety and dementia." [32:10]
• Virtual vs. real interactions:
  • “We're not talking about social media hangout—having real relationships with real people that you can count on...” [32:21]
• Physical touch for oxytocin:
  • “Physical touch releases oxytocin...If you have the massager chair, you don't release the same amount.” [35:13]

8. Myths, Diet Trends, and Controversies

• Biggest faux pas in diet history:
  • “The lucky diet—people smoked to lose weight...phen/fen diet...wine and egg diet.” [40:46]
• Seed oils, dyes, and food fads:
  • "The evidence doesn’t support that seed oils are causing the derangement that people are saying." – Dr. Lyon [30:21]
• Intermittent Fasting:
  • “We recommend [8-9hr window] to our patients all the time. I do not recommend 24hr fasts or longer because...it's difficult to hold onto muscle.” [41:36]
• Alcohol:
  • "I do not think alcohol...I think it is a toxin, period." – Dr. Lyon [52:00]

9. Hormones, Fertility, and Muscle

• PCOS & fertility:
  • "Muscle...exercise, really, and diet" are key levers for improving fertility in women with PCOS. [26:10]
  • Intramuscular fat (not body fat %) is the marker—linked to muscle health, managed by activity.

10. Negative Thought Patterns, Obesity, and the Brain

• Obesity directly impacts brain volume:
  • "The more overweight you are, the wider your waistline, the lower the brain volume." – Dr. Lyon [37:02]
• Being 'fatter makes you dumber':
  • Quote: "Fatter you are, dumber you are." – Codie Sanchez [37:18]
• Resistance and cardio protect the brain from shrinkage, especially in aging women.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On excuses & non-negotiables:
  • "You cannot wait for motivation. It's never going to come." – Dr. Lyon [09:06]
• On movement and male sexual health:
  • "The more healthy muscle mass you have, the greater sexual function you have." – Dr. Lyon [06:41]
  • “If you do not use your genitalia…you can lose a centimeter from just not getting blood flow to that muscle.” [07:36]
• On lifestyle and entrepreneurship:
  • “You will never outpace your biology.” – Dr. Lyon [01:51]
  • "If you want to be the guaranteed unhealthiest person you can be...do not exercise...high calorie, high carb, processed food diet, don’t have any friends." – Dr. Lyon [53:04]

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Rapid Recommendations & Tactical Takeaways

The Dr. Lyon Playbook for Busy People

• Top 3 for high performers:
  1. Treadmill desk
  2. Kettlebell or resistance band
  3. First meal: protein shake [11:06]
• Optimal daily diet for women:
  • ~100g protein/day, ideally split in first and last meal (50g each)
  • Avoid high carbs unless actively training
  • Reduce processed foods [43:40]

Sleep Hygiene

• Go to bed/wake up at same time every day
• Avoid large meals before bed; small protein + carb snack may help
• Get tested & treated for sleep apnea if at risk [19:25–21:48]

Mindset & Motivation

• Commit to process, not outcome ("You can't tell your body to lose 2 pounds, but you can tell it to go squat 120 pounds.") [39:43]
• Avoid “midlife body starter kit”—breaking negative reward cycles like “I deserve it” glass of wine after tough days [47:13]

Social & Mental Wellness

• Prioritize real-life relationships, physical touch
• Recognize the unique benefits of in-person over virtual engagement
• Protect brain health by managing weight, training, and sleep

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Benefits of muscle & brain health: [02:54–03:17]
• Perfect exercise formula: [04:46]
• Motivation and the myth of waiting: [09:06]
• Protein-first morning strategy: [13:03]
• Sleep and circadian rhythm: [13:49–15:32]
• Purposeful friction for discipline: [18:26]
• PCOS, fertility, and muscle: [26:10]
• Diet fads & intermittent fasting: [41:36]
• Alcohol as a toxin: [52:00]
• The “guaranteed unhealthiest person” formula: [53:04]

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Tone & Language

• Direct, evidence-based, candid
• Mix of tough love ("You have to be physically active. Non-negotiable.") and humor
• Informal, warm, sometimes irreverent (e.g., “commit carbicide;” “you heard it here, folks”)

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Resources Mentioned

• The Forever Strong Playbook by Dr. Gabrielle Lyon — concise, actionable guide for training, nutrition, and recovery ([44:08])
• Dr. Lyon’s Podcast / Clinic — for deeper dives and personalized approaches ([25:11])
• [More info on muscle-centric health: Dr. Lyon’s website/socials]

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Summary:
If you do nothing else: train thrice a week, start the day with 30g of protein, move as much as possible, nurture real relationships, and stop making health a matter of willpower or motivation—it’s a built-in non-negotiable for a better body, a sharper mind, and a longer, more energized life.

Transcript

[A]

There's no such thing as a healthy sedentary person.

[B]

Oof.

[A]

This is a non negotiable. It's a one core principle that they must get down. You have to be physically active.

[B]

What are the top three things that you recommend for high performers?

[A]

Very easy. Number one, she is a physician.

[B]

She's a New York Times bestselling author.

[A]

She's an expert in geriatrics, in nutrition.

[B]

In health and longevity. Dr. Gabrielle Lyons.

[A]

The more overweight you are, the wider your waistline, the lower the brain volume.

[B]

Fatter you are, dumber you are.

[A]

You heard it here, folks, okay?

[B]

This racetrack jacket.

[A]

The average American is eating around 300 grams or so of carbs a day. The recommendation is 130 grams.

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

Anything above that, you have to earn through exercise. You cannot wait for motivation. It's never going to come. The fact of me not taking that action, number one, it compounds. Number two, you're going to worry about it all day. And number three, you are slowly actually getting more unwell the less that you do. The biology doesn't like chaos. If you are going to intermittent fast, great. But stick to those feeding windows if it's eight to nine hours and stick to that.

[B]

If you want to be the guaranteed unhealthiest person you can be, what do you do? Inverse thinking.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

This episode the Body Reset. All about how you should eat, exercise for fat loss and health. We're going to nail it all today in as little time as possible with the one expert I trust more than anybody else, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon. If you feel like your brain isn't functioning at the level that you want it to function at, or if you feel like right now in your life, your health overall, is it at the tippy tappy? Don't worry, you can seal my doctor Gabrielle Lyon's gonna break it down for us live. Let's get into it with my friend and trusted confidant who now becomes your doctor too. On the Big Deal podcast, I'm Cody Sanchez. Why should someone who just scrolled to this and is listening, why should they stay here? What are we gonna give them from listening to this episode?

[A]

Any entrepreneur, anyone interested in business or doing well in life cannot be outpace their biology. And if you want to do well or achieve or whatever it is that drives you, you must be healthy. It's how to eat, how to move, how to think, how to recover. Because we all know that there's a huge delta between information and action. It's exactly what to do.

[B]

Yeah, I need that. I don't Actually want to guess I want to be bossed around when it comes down.

[A]

I got you covered.

[B]

I know you do recipes.

[A]

Here's what to eat.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Because you've had two kids, you work non stop and a very large former Navy SEAL man child.

[A]

I know.

[B]

This is how we became buddies. And yet you're jacked and healthy and have a huge business. So actually, let's start here. For entrepreneurs, it's not just about being healthy and having a six pack. There's a lot that your studies have shown that I've seen that say there's ties between exercise and brain health. What do the studies tell us about exercise and brain health?

[A]

Well, first of all, exercise, because you are focusing on muscle. And for those listening, muscle is the organ of longevity. It is an organ system that we have taken for granted forever. Meaning the thyroid is also an organ system we have no control over. Skeletal muscle is the only organ system we have voluntary control over. So when we choose to engage in cardiovascular exercise or resistance training, we become smarter humans. And we also, depending on the way in which we train, can think faster.

[B]

What is the right way to train.

[A]

In order to think faster, train fast.

[B]

And does that mean, like, I'm doing sprints?

[A]

Yeah, some kind of sprint interval. So here is how I think about training. First of all, here's how I think about muscle. Muscle is the sink for metabolism for the entrepreneur. They are worried about brain function, they're worried about Alzheimer's. And the healthier your brain is, the less likely you are going to get Alzheimer's, because Alzheimer's is type 3 diabetes of the brain. If you want to be a good entrepreneur, then you have to have the physical skills in place, which is resistance training, which is a physical skill to build and maintain muscle. It doesn't get easier. You have to do some kind of cardiovascular activity again for brain function, for healthy vasculature. And it's not much more complex than that. But could talk about mobility, we could talk about all these other things. But if someone is listening to the podcast or watching, the chances are extremely high that they're not training. Because 74% of Americans are not meeting the baseline recommendation.

[B]

Oof.

[A]

Of 150 minutes and 2 days a week of resistance training.

[B]

So in order to hit what you have to hit to have a smarter brain, not get Alzheimer's perform, you have.

[A]

To do what, three days a week of resistance training, at least one session of high intensity interval training, or somehow meet that 150 minutes. But if I were to choose the perfect plan for you it would be step one, three days a week of resistance training. Step two, add in one day, a week or two. But we can just say one of high intensity interval training, 20 minutes a minute on a minute off. Step three, move more. If you are taking calls, walk. If you are yelling at your kids, which I'm just talking from friends perspective, then walk. Whatever it is that you are doing that you have the opportunity to be sedentary, move. And that will cover your physical needs. You will also have a less likely chances of dying from nearly all cause mortality from anything because you're active.

[B]

That's wild. Yeah. I mean, you're so good at this. Like I see all the time whenever I facetime you, you're lifting your two children all around who are like one, like one finger. Literally they're on these sleds like, and you're pushing them and then you guys are doing push ups. It's pretty incredible how you have integrated workouts into your life with your kids. I really struggle with that. You know this because, do you? Yeah. I can't even get the 10,000 steps a day in. Gabrielle, help me. How do I get.

[A]

Is this true? So this is a non negotiable because there's no such thing as a healthy sedentary person.

[B]

Oof.

[A]

And also muscle. We want it to look like a filet. One of the main problems that happens is when we are sedentary, our muscle transitions from looking like a filet to a wagyu steak, which is more expensive but not great and also not very strong. Also, it affects for guys, erections, the more healthy muscle. We just published this paper and the paper did demonstrates that the more healthy muscle mass you have, the greater sexual function you have. Wow.

[B]

So does that just mean more erections or longer erections?

[A]

More healthy, harder erections. So now that we've gotten the attention of every single man in the world, let me tell you this. By the age of 40, 40% of men will have erectile dysfunction.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

By the age of 50, 50% of men will suffer from erectile dysfunction.

[B]

And the cure to it is lift heavy.

[A]

One cure to it is lift and get your cardiovascular activity, because that's the plumbing.

[B]

So this isn't like the little blue pill. Because I think the doctors get it wrong. They're like, you'll have an erection forever. All the wives are like, please, dear God, no. Can you please?

[A]

This has been going on over 24 hours. That's a medical emergency.

[B]

Like it was more than five minutes. I'm out. But but actually what this does instead, it's not duration. It's like when you want one, it'll come. It'll be there for the period in which you want it, as opposed to some sort of monster penis.

[A]

Yeah, we don't want that. And by the way, if you also do not use your genitalia, if you do not use your penis, you will lose it. What is happening? Men, this is, this is crazy. But you can lose a centimeter from just not getting your penis of not if you are not getting erection and you are not having sex over a period of time, if you're not getting blood flow to that muscle, it is a use it or lose it muscle.

[B]

Whoa, that is wild.

[A]

And that's a club. You're welcome. But anyway, I say all of this because as an entrepreneur, I'm one myself. You have to be very focused, and the more discerning you are and the less distracted you are, you can take the next right step. There are only a handful of things that really distract people. Again, I've been taking care of entrepreneurs for more than 15 years. Their health becomes very distracting. And they will say, I don't have time for exercise. And then I will say, well, how are you gonna have time for sickness? And so one core principle that they must get down is you have to be physically active.

[B]

So what hacks do you have for like busy people who have too much going on, who have all excuses in the world, like me? How do we make sure that we prioritize exercise?

[A]

It has to be non negotiable. It has to be built into your calendar. I cannot believe that you are not getting your 10,000 steps. I think that we, we have to have a major, major discussion.

[B]

We gotta have an intervention.

[A]

Yeah, we need an intervention.

[B]

Okay, fine.

[A]

So number one, you cannot wait for motivation. It's never gonna come. Some people, like our husbands, love to train the rest of the world. I'm already bitching about my workout on Wednesday starting Tuesday night, but I'm still gonna do it because the fact of me not taking that action, number one, it compounds. Number two, you're gonna worry about it all day. And number three, you are slowly. It's not the opposite of physical activity. You're actually getting more unwell the less that you do.

[B]

What about the saying that people say lately where it's like, if you had to choose between 10,000 steps a day or 10 minutes of intense exercise, it would be better to do 10 minutes or like 10 minutes of squats instead of 10,000 steps. What's the truth between the two.

[A]

So for me, I would say that the more intense, the better. And I can equate this to, if you're doing work, you would rather have 10 minutes of excellent work than a day of I don't know what I accomplished.

[B]

That's a good point. Unless you're my employee, then we want better than 10 minutes. You're like, I'm done. David's like, done, done for the day. Heard it first here.

[A]

But it's. It's a really small hack. And entrepreneurs and business owners can not afford to train because one of the biggest things that take people out is being sick. It's extremely easy to be well.

[B]

Well, also, I mean, I. I kind of feel better about that because 10,000 steps actually takes a long time. At my rate of stepping, apparently that's like an hour.

[A]

Is that true?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's like, what, four miles or something like that. 10,000 steps, which means that I need an hour walking, plus, like an hour for my lifting, plus, you know, I'm working. Plus, my husband likes to hang out way too much. You know, this. It's the same.

[A]

My kids are about to be here. It' to be, oh, I can't wait.

[B]

Just wait till the cameras start crashing.

[A]

This is like, hey, you said to bring them, but you couldn't easily. If I were to give you just a few hacks, you can get a treadmill dust. Yeah, you can do that.

[B]

And they're like a hundred bucks on Amazon. So if. If you have very little money, very little time, what are the top three things that you recommend for high performers?

[A]

Very easy. Number one, get yourself a treadmill desk. Number two, get either a kettlebell or some kind of resistance band. And number three, have your first meal of the day. Let's just call it a protein shake set and ready to go.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

So easy.

[B]

I don't do any of those things.

[A]

Dude, I know your doctor. How is this possible?

[B]

I know. I got changing it up. I'm on it. Somebody write this down, okay? But it's kind of helpful because I think in my brain, I built this thing up, you know, And I think a lot of people listening are probably the same. You're like, oh, you know, I hear from Andrew Huberman, I got a 47 step routine and then got cold pluns, and then I got ice baths, and then I got. And at some point, I'm like, you know, I can't wear my lululemon leggings because I'm gonna get cancer.

[A]

I'M not gonna be. No. You're gonna be okay with that?

[B]

I'll be okay. Yeah. So really, at the end of the day, there's fewer better things that we can do that drive most of the performance.

[A]

Humans love novelty, and novelty is one of the biggest distractions for health. We already have great innovations. It's kind of like the phone. We had the flip phone. Well, we had the rotary phone, then we had the flip phone. There was like the 1980s juggernaut of a phone, and now we have the iPhone. Do we really need another phone? No, we need to upgrade our software. Humans love novelty. We like the smoking diet and the phentermine diet and the cabbage soup diet. But our biology, we have a drive to eat a certain way, and once we put those foundational pieces in place, then we can chase less novelty. So, for example, anchoring your day in a high quality protein 1 shake, it affects brain function. You're gonna be much less likely to eat any of the snacks in your fucking snack room, which is like chips. And I don't even know who designed that.

[B]

We didn't have you go through that.

[A]

But the reality is you augment your willpower. So right now, people think they have to depend on. On their own willpower. But if you prioritize your diet, well, then you're not chasing these ebbs and flows of blood sugar. Something very simple, practical, and tactical is 30 grams of protein first thing in the morning.

[B]

What are examples of fast ways to get protein in the morning? If you had five options, what are they?

[A]

Protein shake. It could be a whey protein shake. If you don't like whey, it could be a rice pea blend, Greek yogurt, not hard. Six eggs or a handful of eggs. Some people like steak and eggs. You can have a chicken patty. You can have some people eat salmon for breakfast. There's a million different ways to do it.

[B]

Okay. All right, so we nail this in the morning. What other high performance daily routines do you have that we can steal?

[A]

Yep. Get outside first thing in the morning. Good sleep starts in the morning. Also consistent sleep wake times. If you are someone who has the tendency to stay up late, don't decide that your bedtime is going to be 10. You go to bed every night at 10 and you wake up at the same time.

[B]

I do that. I'm really good at that.

[A]

You are?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I go to bed at 10 every night.

[A]

Okay. Do you feel better?

[B]

Yeah, I sleep like a little. Like a little baby.

[A]

Yes, you do. I can vouch for that. All of A sudden, I was reading. I was reading you and we were in D.C. and I was reading you. I was so excited about this idea of amino acids and how whatever it was, the wartime died. And I look over and you're asleep.

[B]

Because it's the most. But she goes, I have a fascinating study I want to read you. It's like 12 o' clock at night because you are the energizer bunny. It's weird how much energy you have. Actually.

[A]

Actually.

[B]

And you read me the world's most boring study, which is what you like to read for fun, which is also weird.

[A]

Also, you're a hater. But yes, it's true. And if you get outside in the morning and you get sunlight in your eyes, no glasses, no contacts, just get out there. You're anchoring. You know, we work in a 24 hour circadian rhythm. We're mammals, that's what we do. If you anchor your morning, it sets up your night. So you are releasing melatonin, which helps with the sleep drive. It really sets you up for success. Because brain function can be improved with proper sleep. Because we do not think about it. We. When you have sleep deprivation, you are more likely to make mistakes. Not to mention your muscle protein synthesis, which is a big fancy word for. It's kind of a proxy for muscle health, is suppressed.

[B]

Hmm.

[A]

We don't want that.

[B]

No. So what does it look like when you get up in the morning?

[A]

I have two kids.

[B]

It's chaos.

[A]

That's enough.

[B]

But theoretically, you get up and you walk your little kids outside.

[A]

We go right outside.

[B]

Immediately outside?

[A]

Yes, because it's important for them. Okay, well, it's not entirely true.

[B]

Take your coffee with you.

[A]

I was just about to say that's not entirely true.

[B]

Okay. You get up, you make a coffee.

[A]

You go outside with the kids.

[B]

With the kids.

[A]

Then we hang out.

[B]

Do you ever just pull up TikTok or Instagram and scroll immediately embedded more? Never.

[A]

No. Wow. No.

[B]

Okay. We need to be like, I need a bracelet that says, what would Gabriel Lyon do? And do the opposite of what Cody do in the morning.

[A]

It would be create purposeful friction. To me, that's all distraction.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the more clear we are about the things that are important, the less we are going to make bad choices.

[B]

What do you mean by create purposeful friction? What does that look like again?

[A]

Human beings were so predictable. And in order to be able to mitigate those highs and lows, which, you know, early on, maybe in your entrepreneurial career, you probably allowed yourself to get really hyped.

[B]

Up.

[A]

Is that true? Yeah. And following that hyped experience, did you fall equally as low?

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[A]

But you did it probably for, I don't know, a handful of years. But at that peak of you amping yourself up, doing pushups, listening to loud music before you got on stage or before you closed a big deal, most entrepreneurs will tell me that they feel kind of depressed the next day.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because they are chasing these highs and these lows and at the peak and the trough, meaning at the peak, as high as you go and as low as you go. Those are both vulnerabilities. Vulnerabilities. As a doctor who cares for these people from health perspectives, that is the moment where you go off your diet plan. You know, you just feel like you need more sugar or, I don't know, they buy a car or they find a girlfriend. Whatever it is, whatever their vice is, they'll go towards that. Similarly, when they are low, they are much less likely to make good physical choices. They are not going to, after a big event, go exercise. But if they were to do those things, then we don't have to spend four months trying to get you back on track. But it's predictable. So how do we build up our kind of vulnerability? Body armor. We don't do it at the big event, we do it before. So I'm going to give you three things that you can do. Number one, you create purposeful restriction. Meaning I love caffeine, I love loud music, and then I'll go work out. But all of that helps with dopamine release, so it fuels to that drive of wanting more. I flip a coin, heads I get it, tails I don't.

[B]

Interested.

[A]

Annoying.

[B]

Yeah, very annoying.

[A]

But can you imagine after the fifth time of doing that, you're way less annoyed. And you can do it in any area of your life of something that you desire. For example, Starbucks. Flip a coin, heads you get it, tails you don't. And I encourage people to try this because we are of the culture to just get. But it doesn't help us when we need to mitigate those highs and lows.

[B]

That's great. So you kind of take the offers off the table. It's like it's not up to you. It's up to this coin flip.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

And then I just keep my promise to myself. I like that you talk a lot about sleep. I think this is super important. I was reading a article the other day that we have a sleep epidemic in tandem with what you talk about often, which is A health epidemic. Like, people are sleeping less. Their sleep quality is worse than ever. If somebody's listening to this right now and saying, I literally cannot sleep. I'm suffering from it. What else do you do? What do you tell somebody to do who's suffering from sleep?

[A]

Yeah, a lot of people are not sleeping well. And to be frank, I don't actually love sleeping, but you have to do it. Here's a handful of things. So number one is wake up at the same time and go to bed at the same time limit. Overhead lights and a lot of stimulation. Number two do not have. It's not great to have these huge meals before bed. But one of the things that we've seen in our clinical practice is people get hypoglycemic before or actually in the middle of the night. So about four hours after people fall asleep, we see that they oftentimes get reactive hypoglycemia, which is just a big word for low blood sugar, and it wakes them up. So having a mixed meal, maybe a handful of carbohydrates and a handful of protein, you don't need to overcomplicate it. Handful of both could be yogurt and some fruit. And then you go to bed, you're much less likely to wake up with this reactive hypoglycemia.

[B]

Is that what most often happens with people who are sleeping? It's they wake up in the middle of the night. Not that they have a hard time falling asleep.

[A]

They do.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

And they could wake up from sleep apnea. If you have bigger than a 17 and a half inch neck, you probably have sleep apnea. Everyone's. You do not everyone's checking their neck.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

If your partner snores, they probably have sleep apnea.

[B]

Yeah. I think Chris has sleep apnea.

[A]

Well, yeah, of course. Every team guy I've ever met has sleep apnea, but, you know, they kind of don't. Like when they go to bed wearing the mask and the earplugs and the eye mask, they look like they're ready for takeoff. It's just kind of like instant birth control. But still, it's really important because the data shows. So when I was a fellow. So I did my fellowship in geriatrics and nutritional sciences at WashU, and one of the risk factors for Alzheimer's was very poor sleep over time and sleep apnea.

[B]

Interesting. So what do you do if you have sleep apnea?

[A]

You get tested and you get treated.

[B]

And that is not just mouth tape.

[A]

No. Oftentimes people need to lose weight Some people, it can be positional and some people just have the kind of sleep apnea that requires an intervention. And there's nothing wrong with it, but you have to get tested and you can do at home sleep tests. It's not a big deal. It's super easy.

[B]

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[A]

Yes, I wear deodorant.

[B]

Oh, you do?

[A]

I'm so sorry.

[B]

Is it organic though?

[A]

Nope. Yeah, it is.

[B]

It is, right?

[A]

Is that true? Sometimes it doubles as hand sanitizer, but yeah.

[B]

Oh, actually I know this about you. You've given this. Oh, share this hack. This is such a good hack. Okay, I was smelly one day.

[A]

Kids don't try this at home, but if you have an organic hand sanitizer that is mostly alcohol, you can all. It also doubles as deodorant. Not mouthwash, but definitely deodorant because I've tried it.

[B]

Yeah. And you gave it to me and I didn't. I thought it was actual deodorant. I used it for like a week straight because you didn't tell me this. I trust you too much. Okay, so you do use deodorant, but you don't use non organic ones because there is some data that shows that it's linked to cancer.

[A]

Well, there are a lot of environmental exposures and I want to be very careful. There is the information overload. Everything is toxic. So there's kind of these two camps that everything is toxic. You have to eat organic. And then the other group that is organic's a waste of money. Don't worry about all this stuff. It's okay to have dyes. And I think the truth is often somewhere in the middle. But what we do know is that a lot of the stuff that we are using, it does contain a lot of chemicals. And, and this is true, it is probably the amount that we are using over a lifetime is probably not what we are using, say a month at a time. For me and our household, we try to do as natural as possible.

[B]

Yeah. So you're not going to be sponsored by Celsius.

[A]

I'm waiting. But again. So Celsius. So Celsius artificial sweeteners is another big, for example, hot topic. I don't think the data is very strong that most artificial sweeteners are negative to the brain or the human body.

[B]

Really? So you actually, I mean, you do drink as much caffeine as, like, I don't know, a 300 pound bodybuilder per day. So maybe the other question is, I saw a video the other day that I was like, whoa, this is a title. And it was, is caffeine killing us?

[A]

No, no. Some people do have a genetic snip that they are more susceptible to the negative side effects of caffeine. But you will know if you, if you are that person, I mean, you can always, of course, test for it. Happy to come to our clinic. We'll test you for it. But the reality is caffeine in a moderate dose is not going to be detrimental.

[B]

Yeah. What about is caffeine bad for women when we're trying to get pregnant? I read another one saying coffee's bad for pregnant women. So you just want to steal all my joy.

[A]

I am sorry. When I was pregnant, I did not go over 200 milligrams of caffeine.

[B]

What about before you were pregnant? Like trying to get pregnant?

[A]

I'm not pregnant yet. Sign me up.

[B]

Yeah, interesting. God, there's so many things. Okay, how about this one? Are lululemons making us infertile? Are lululemon leggings making us infertile?

[A]

I. If I were to put and rank the hierarchy of what is causing infertility and let's say what is the number one cause of female infertility for young women? It's polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is also known as pcos. There are two types of pcos. One comes from the brain and the other is metabolic. The other being metabolic. Guess where the biggest lever that we can pull for improving our chances of fertility. If you are someone who has PCOS is muscle. Muscle. I'm just kidding. Exercise, really? And diet.

[B]

Wait, so you were saying if you have PCOS right now you should be lifting and following a strength regime?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I have never heard a doctor say that before.

[A]

And I interviewed on my podcast one of the world leading experts in PCOS. Her name is Dr. Melanie Cree. She was an M. She is an MD, PhD. And she did if there are 10 studies on Ozempic or GLP1s and fertility, she's done two of them. And I asked her, she was, you know, we were in a podcast and I said, okay, so what percent body fat is it that allows someone to get pregnant or the ones that are going to really suffer on an ongoing basis? And she looks at me and she's like, Gabrielle, it has nothing to do with body fat percentage. It has everything to do with intermuscular adipose tissue to break that down. It's how much fat is actually stored in your muscle. And that comes from insulin resistance, which in part of that is being sedentary. I mean, there are genetic risks for pcos. But what we do know is that exercise and a good diet will often. I'm being very careful about how I'm saying this will improve people's likelihood of conceiving.

[B]

Why is it that doctors by and large don't tell us things like that?

[A]

It's a lot to ask for someone to be trained at an expert level in multiple domains in order to become a physician. You're already going through four years of undergrad, four years of medical school, then training, and then a fellowship. To also ask that person to be an expert at nutrition is a lot.

[B]

How many studies you have to read to go, probably better that you work out?

[A]

Not that many. Not that many.

[B]

So like, is that really an excuse for doctors to not use it or is it like a liability if they say it? I don't, I don't get it.

[A]

No, but I will say I, and I'm just speaking from my own perspective. I think for physicians, because there is so much noise out there, I don't think that they like to step into that noisy realm. And what do I mean by this? I'll give you an example. So in order to be a board certified physician, you still have to study. It doesn't just go away once you graduate and start practicing. And many doctors would say, don't eat red meat and reduce your dietary cholesterol, but they were misinformed because dietary cholesterol recommendations were taken out of the dietary guidelines in 2015. Therefore, the information of don't eat eggs or don't eat red meat because it's bad for your cholesterol. Cholesterol's not even part of the guidelines right now.

[B]

Wow. What changed?

[A]

I think that the, the scientists determined that it wasn't relevant that dietary cholesterol had very little impact on blood level cholesterol.

[B]

Dude, I feel like doctors need like a, a beeper or something like this. Like, can they give them the updates? Like, is there some nationwide system where when new data comes out, they say, well, all doctors should know this, or there's not really a way.

[A]

That's a really good point. There is, but it's per specialty. And again, nutrition is challenging because it's something that everybody does eat. Becomes very difficult to get through the noise.

[B]

Yeah. The tough part is there's the other side of the coin too, right? Which is like we have all these people online giving all of this advice who are definitely not a doctor, never read a study before or read one like on the side, don't really understand how to analyze peer reviewed studies, and are also sharing a lot of information, like if you eat seed oils, you about to die. And so it can kind of become.

[A]

How do we know that that's not true?

[B]

That's so controversial too, because I feel like if we had, you know, let's say I had Paul Saladino here, you here, Huberman here, and Alex Clark, there'd be a war.

[A]

But here's what I would say. I would say let's call in the people that have done these studies and let's talk to them. So for example, Dr. Kevin Mackey, he was the, and he still might be the president of the Lipid Association. This guy's a career scientist. And I was like, Kevin, what's the deal? And he said, the evidence doesn't support that seed oils are causing the derangement that people are saying.

[B]

What about when they say that's because the studies haven't been around long enough? Or the, you know, big pharma and the food industry are the ones that pay for it.

[A]

So people will always look to something.

[B]

But that's not what you're seeing in the data. You're saying, these studies actually seem reasonable. We have enough data, we're analyzing it in real time.

[A]

And the good studies will also talk about the limitations. And we also know that whole foods are a great choice. And if we think about that, then we can become less hyper focused on these little things. So the issue isn't food dyes. The issue isn't seed oils. The bigger issue is how do we feed for human health. All these other things are distractions.

[B]

Then why, when I go to Europe, can I eat all the bread and all the food and, and I lose weight?

[A]

You're probably walking more than 10,000 steps.

[B]

About 2,000 here, about 12,000 there.

[A]

And also you're probably eating from whole food sources. Maybe you're getting outside more. But the reality is it's very difficult to hyper focus on one thing. It would be like for the entrepreneur. The one problem in your business is just because of this, you have a really rude front desk right person and you're like, no, you guys are not taking care of your taxes. You don't have good Legion. There's a whole. I can find a hundred other reasons, but the foundation is your business is not set up well, the same is for nutrition.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, what about. I heard a study the other day that said loneliness causes dementia.

[A]

We are. And I actually saw that study. So we are social creatures. And I don't know if it's loneliness. I mean, I think that that's probably subjective and they probably use survey data. But we do know that not being in relationships and having relationships around you is a risk factor for depression and anxiety and dementia.

[B]

And so what's the solve for that?

[A]

Hang out more. I like that, but not necessarily. It's interesting. So when I say hang out more and I haven't seen this data, but we're not talking about social media hangout, having real relationships with real people that you can count on, because AI is coming in and take over and people are creating relationships with AI bots and it is very disruptive for the human connection.

[B]

What does the data tell us about AI relationships or parasocial relationships versus in person relationships? Like does one supplement if I'm talking to my AI all day, if I'm on Instagram all day and I feel like I'm engaging with people, does that actually feel like engagement in my body?

[A]

It's, it's not the same. But there, there is data to suggest that you do have that same feeling, but it is, it, it is not the same. And I, I think we're also going to start to see more of that data as well.

[B]

So, like, for our health factor, it doesn't make me healthier and less lonely to engage online, but it does make me healthier to engage in person.

[A]

Yes. And I can't say for sure. Again, I have to be very clear about, you know, Again, doctors and scientists, it's. We have to be very careful about what we're saying. For some people, could it be better? Yes, but I think that it will always be better if you are engaging in person. Because we have non verbal cues.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we are somewhat of a connected nervous system. You know, our eyes connect. I mean this is how we communicate. It's not just verbal communication. You cannot do that with a robot.

[B]

Yeah, well, and then obviously aren't there a lot of studies out there about physical touch too and how important that is?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And so if we're completely replacing physical touch, I imagine that can't be great. I mean I, I saw it with my grandparents for instance. They. One side of the family had my grandma super engaged. Like we stayed in touch with her. She still had relationships, she still went out in the world during COVID The other side, they were super quarantined. Nobody was around them, they never left their house. They were really anti social, sort of like mandated. And one side, I mean it was wild. My grandma is older, she's like, she's like asking me about ChatGPT and AI now she's so with it. She's 100 years old. The other two, I mean we lost them the last five years. Complete dementia, like lack of idea about where they are not able to really use their own faculties at all anymore. And of course this is all, you know, qualitative, not quantitative. But it was hard actually watching it and seeing them completely decline almost the second that they stopped having interaction. And I personally was like, I'd rather die from COVID than like slowly decline in dementia because I'm by myself.

[A]

Yeah, it's really tough. And there are other factors that we know. So for example, physical touch releases oxytocin. And oxytocin is what we think of as that bonding hormone. If you are sitting in a chair and have the massager chair, you don't release the same amount of oxytocin. And there are biological and physiological differences when you are engaging with human connection.

[B]

So if they're not getting any of that, they're not having oxytocin release. And what does oxytocin release do? Is that good for your brain?

[A]

Essentially it is good for your brain, it's good for your mood. Yeah, it's, you know, think about it. Women release oxytocin when they have a baby, when they have sex or when they orgasm. Could clarifier can also take oxytocin intranasally, which you can wait.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, for mood, for Milk letdown. Men and women can take it.

[B]

Like you snuff oxytocin up your nose with, like a sprayer.

[A]

Yeah. You know, some people take allergy spray.

[B]

I love that. You go, yeah, totally. Aren't you doing it, Cody?

[A]

Got some of my purse, as a matter of fact. But the reality is, what we are talking about is what are we going to do with the society that we live in now? How do we reorient ourselves to just a healthy lifestyle, which again, starts with muscle training, protein. It's not that complicated, but also good relationships, especially in the wake of this increase in AI online community. And again, if people want to perform at their best, then the ways to do that, I think are very clear.

[B]

What do the studies tell us about being negative and being smarter or having a healthier brain? Like, if you have negative thought patterns, are you more likely to shrink your brain size? Are you more likely to have a stronger brain? Does it matter if I'm negative or positive?

[A]

Well, I can't say that I have looked at those studies. But here's what I will tell you about the brain that the from a metabolic perspective, because this all ties in. The more overweight you are, the wider your waistline, the lower the brain volume. That's not good.

[B]

Fatter you are, dumber you are.

[A]

You heard it here, folks.

[B]

Okay, Just waist, striped jacket.

[A]

The other thing is that when you are training and when you are moving and doing cardiovascular activity, doing resistance training, you will have less atrophy. Your brain will be more robust in terms of preventing shrinkage. And this is what we see as women go through perimenopause, menopause. You do not want to be dealing with type 3 diabetes of the brain. As far as negative and positive, we know that sleep can help with brain function. That's the time the brain cleans itself. All very important. But again, a depressed brain, would someone say that that is a more unhealthy brain? I would say probably.

[B]

And is this something that we are seeing accelerate in our country? Like it seems like these days, more often than not, when I talk to my friends, grandparents, they have some version of dementia or Alzheimer's. So this is accelerating. And why do you think that is? Is this purely because of obesity and lack of muscle?

[A]

I think that it's not purely, but I think that that is the main driver. Because think about all the activities that ride with healthy muscle. You're out, you're moving more, you're motivated. Is it the muscle itself? From a metabolic perspective, yes. Type 3 diabetes of the Brain is insulin resistance of the brain. What your body does, your brain also does.

[B]

Like, do doctors recommend muscle? You know, strength training?

[A]

Good doctors do.

[B]

Good doctors do, yeah. But most of them today would recommend basically, pills and crossword pedicles. Right.

[A]

I think that we are starting to see a shift. For the last 50 so years, we've been focused on obesity as if this is the sole problem. And I would argue that obesity is just one problem. Alzheimer's, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity. That these are all symptoms of unhealthy skeletal muscle. And if you are worried about all of these other things, including your performance at work, then you have to focus on the things that you actually have agency for, which is not actually weight loss. I cannot tell my body to lose two pounds, but I can tell my body, okay, you're gonna go squat 120 pounds. So there are things that we have the option to control and then the things that we don't.

[B]

By the way, I have a live event. I only do one a year. It's huge. How big? Really big. In Austin, Texas, just for people who want to make more money, buy businesses, build businesses. It's called Main street over Wall Street. So if you liked this episode, you're probably going to want to be there. There's only a couple hundred spots left, so click below. I want to shake your hand in person in Austin, Texas, or go to msows.com msows we'll see you there. We've been blown away by how fast the show is growing. Like, getting to hang out with you every single week is so cool. But most of the people who tune in every week still haven't subscribed, which is crazy. It is the simplest way, though, to help me us keep scaling. So I can't thank you enough for your support. Like, we would be nowhere without you guys. And I just want to jump back into my conversation, but I also want you to do it subscribed. Oh, and share it with a friend. If you like this episode. I think it's better when you profit together. You know, I think we should try some hot takes on health. What's the dumbest diet trend you've seen people fall for?

[A]

There are two. Do I have to have been alive for them?

[B]

No.

[A]

But there was the lucky diet. People smoke to lose weight.

[B]

Wow, that's wild.

[A]

I just can't imagine how bad you would feel and how bad you would smell.

[B]

Very smelly.

[A]

I mean, you were definitely single. So the lucky diet. There was also the amphetamine diet. The fen phen diet. Yeah. I Don't think that was probably a good one. Cabbage soup diet, is that a real thing?

[B]

Right?

[A]

That is. And also the wine and egg diet sounds great. And this was three each meal. So for three meals, a glass of wine and two eggs, get out of town. Disgusting. I mean your breath is going to be terrible.

[B]

So there's a lot of doubt. Oh God, yeah. Could you imagine hanging out with that chick at a cocktail party? No, thanks. Is intermittent. What about intermittent fasting? Is that a breakthrough or is that just starving with better branding?

[A]

I love that. Intermittent fasting. If we were to quantify that that's eating in an eight to nine hour window, we recommend that to our patients all the time. I do not recommend 24 hour fasts or longer because again, it's difficult to hold onto muscle as it is. So if you reorient yourself to muscle, then fasting over 24 hours is, you know, that's like the no go zone, you know, the crazy hot matrix. It's the no go zone.

[B]

It's like Tiffany plus a hairdresser.

[A]

Exactly. No go zone. But eight to nine hour feeding window can be great because the body, the biology, doesn't like chaos. And as we are thinking about how do we get better and more healthy so that we can produce more or just show up more fully, then less chaos is better. If you are going to intermittent fast, great. But stick to those feeding windows. If it's eight to nine hours, then stick to that.

[B]

So for a woman listening who's busy, got a lot going on and has been told all these different things, she now knows she needs to strength train probably. What is she eating and what is she not doing? Like what can we tell ourselves? Like you can just take that off the list. Don't even worry about that right now.

[A]

Okay, should we start with the what she's not doing?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If she is very busy and not training, then she should not commit carbicide. And what is this? This is the body. So the average American is eating around 300 grams or so of carbs a day. The recommendation is 130 grams. Anything above that you have to earn through exercise. So what she's not doing? If I could say, listen lady, if you are not training and you are sedentary, do not eat a high carbohydrate diet or you are essentially giving yourself an oral glucose tolerance test three times a day. We don't want that because as we have these metabolic dysfunctions, she then is at a greater risk for Alzheimer's and all these other diseases.

[B]

So that Means no bread or less bread, less rice, less potatoes.

[A]

Unless you're going to train.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But this is easy. Reduce your processed carbs. Okay. What she is doing is she's having around 100 grams of protein a day. Make it simple. 50 grams in that first meal, 50 grams in that last meal.

[B]

So that's like just.

[A]

That's the minimum she can do that.

[B]

Okay. Which would be like a shake and some eggs.

[A]

Great. Or a shake and a half.

[B]

Okay. Or a shake.

[A]

Or if she likes recipes. I have about 60 of them.

[B]

I like that. Where would we go to get the recipes?

[A]

This playbook.

[B]

Let's be more specific. What playbook?

[A]

And like, well, you can come over to my house. Just kidding. Then get on Amazon. It's the Forever Strong Playbook. It's the book that I wish I had. It has how to train exactly what to do, exactly how to eat, exactly how to think about all these concepts and how to recover, which no one does, in a very concise manual.

[B]

Yeah. You don't have to read because the Forever Strong book is incredible.

[A]

You'll fall asleep. You fell asleep.

[B]

No, I read it and I listened to it on audiobook. Okay.

[A]

Kind of fell asleep.

[B]

I did not fall asleep. But if I could just get the playbook of only what I'm supposed to do. I'm on it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We'll include the link below and then Forever Strong Playbook anywhere you go and buy it.

[A]

Here's my question. You see entrepreneurs all the time and business owners. What is the disconnect between actually taking the action to get healthy? They will never outpace their biology, ever. Why? If you know this is going to make you a better business person. And if we think that entrepreneurs are like these modern day warriors because listen, they can suffer more than anyone else that I've ever seen. So take out the military. Like, look, you guys are in your own whole other category. But entrepreneurs can suffer more pain, more loss more are willing to take risks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yet you ask them to do 100 push ups and they're like, I'm out.

[B]

I don't know. There's something wrong with our brains because I'm the same way. I think maybe it might be the difference between acute and. What is that called continuous stress.

[A]

Chronic.

[B]

Yeah, chronic. Like we do really well. I think with chronic stress. And like chronic, we're like a bunch of marathoners. We're just over here running continuously in our business. But when you give us acute stress, which would be like acute physical stress. So like I gotta go do Burpees or workout with Gabrielle, it's like, for some reason it seems like it bothers a lot of entrepreneurs. So I think there's that one. We're marathoners, we're not sprinters in many ways. And then I think the next thing is just habit stacking. We've habit stacked for so long our number one priority as being business related or money related that, you know, we just have to rewire our system to say, no, no, no, this actually makes me money here. But it's very hard to see the direct line correlation between my workout and my balance sheet. You know, that is somehow we just lose all causation between the two.

[A]

But what about getting that right meal in? Because a lot of entrepreneurs, you call them right after lunch, 90 minutes later they're napping under their desk. But if you can just get that one meal right, you'll feel better by the next meal.

[B]

Yeah, it's totally rational. Well, I think the other thing too is a lot of entrepreneurs, when you think about it, you have so much misery during the day. I think you have a great case in your head. Humans are incredible self rationalizers. Right. So I'm like, I worked so hard today. I worked hard all day today. I took all the issue. I've also got decision fatigue by the end of the day because I'm decision, decision, decision at the end of the day. Where's my glass of wine? I just, I deserve it.

[A]

You deserve it.

[B]

You know, and so we have a negative narrative.

[A]

We have a name for that. You know, we have a name for that.

[B]

What is it?

[A]

That's called the midlife body starter kit right there. The I deserve it. The midlife body starter kit. I guarantee you another 40 pounds.

[B]

That is actually very true.

[A]

I mean. Yeah, yeah. I think that if we can, I believe that we can be a healthier, stronger, more robust society, just like you think we can all be business owners. So if we can connect the two, then you have a culture that is unstoppable. And that. And that I think is what we're trying to get to.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing that's like help when I get in a flow and I'm going for a few weeks, I'm kill it. Like my step count high, I'm in the gym, I got the trainer, you.

[A]

Know, you've got the weight vest on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whatever happened to our, our weight vest? Calls and talks like that just completely fell off.

[B]

Well, you kept doing it. I did not. And you know, I think I have a very High tolerance for doing the business stuff. But I got a habit stack in order to do the physical thing. And so that's why I like listening to you, because it's just, it's a reminder. You're like, you're like the female David Goggins. You're like, listen, get moving.

[A]

No one is gonna run that long. I run like four feet and I'm done. That's it.

[B]

Well, we do, we do call you the. What do we call you? Ant Woman and the Tiny Tornado. Because half these videos of you, which I should put up here, that last one you sent me, you're throwing like a bolt. It's a boulder over your shoulder. Wasn't it with you? She just goes. But I think sometimes, like, you can't be what you can't see. So when I see, When I see a mom like you who has two kids, who has a successful business, who is a doctor and still prioritizes health, it's like, what excuse do I got?

[A]

And it doesn't mean it's easy and it doesn't mean it's convenient.

[B]

No.

[A]

But I know that I am never going to be able to talk myself into it, but as long as I don't talk myself out of it and I just have a commitment in place, then I don't have to rely on anything else. If we give them the three steps of here, this is how much protein you're going to get. You're committed to it. This is what you're going to do for training. It's three days a week. You got this. We're going to put a standing treadmill desk. Because it's not just about building a financial legacy machine. You know, there's a saying that people will have a million problems until they have one health problem.

[B]

And it really does seem like we're getting cancer more than we ever have before. You know, I just saw today a woman that I really respect, whose name is Brittany Turner. She just announced that she has cancer. She's like a badass.

[A]

What kind of cancer?

[B]

It's a good question.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I saw it on the Instagrams and. Super healthy from the outside looking. And so, you know, and then I. I have another girlfriend whose name is Bridget, who's been battling cancer for a year.

[A]

That's really sad, huh?

[B]

And she's super young, you know, maybe 35, 38, something like that.

[A]

Yeah. And I also want to say that if someone is really young and they get cancer, typically there's a genetic cause and then also cancer Is not anybody's fault. And if you see a good physician, and there's a lot of discussion whether people should do this or not. But we do this in our clinic and we do full body primovo or full body MRI scans. And also we've done it for you. We do blood tests for cancers. Just screening. At the very least, it's peace of mind. And so we do know that there are certain behaviors that increase people's risks of various cancers. Obesity is one of them. Pretty sure alcohol is a carcinogen. This is gonna be really controversial, but a ton of sun exposure.

[B]

I thought that was a new thing. We don't do sunscreen anymore.

[A]

We do.

[B]

I was just telling my mom today.

[A]

Mom, yes, we do do sunscreen. Or at least we do sun protection. Clothing.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know, I'm into the clothing.

[B]

I thought there was new things about how all the sunscreen has all the chemicals in it.

[A]

So pick one that is a mineral based sunscreen. Or wear clothes. But the sun is going to, at some point cause DNA damage and, you know, it's a risk factor for skin cancer.

[B]

Yeah, I was there more for, like, the aesthetic stuff. I don't want the wrinkles.

[A]

Yes, well, me neither. But again, how do we think about preparing for. For the inevitable, which sucks. But aging is going to happen to everybody. It's inevitable. And these things are responsibilities.

[B]

How do we get your jawline?

[A]

You got to talk to my parents. You got to talk to my parents.

[B]

Son of a guy.

[A]

I literally had nothing to do. You know what? If you chew enough gum and drink enough caffeine, come talk to me.

[B]

I'll be Gabriel lion with the kids. Call that snatch jawline these days. You know that that's what you have. Well, must be nice. I don't have that. Okay, so I want to talk about alcohol really quick. How bad is alcohol for us, really?

[A]

It's not good, Barn.

[B]

Like, get rid of it, don't drink it. No good.

[A]

I'm going to give you my personal opinion. Correct. I do not think alcohol. I think it is a toxin, period. And when we were examining people and we were saying, okay, so what is this person's risk factor for some kind of cognitive impairment? Alcohol was on the list. And people will say, well, a little bit of alcohol is okay. Okay, maybe. But it's kind of like, are you wanting to rationalize the fact that you are using it?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is it good? No, I personally don't think it is. Could you probably find some studies where X ounces a day is okay for You. Okay, fine. But if you want to pick a vice, just pick a different one.

[B]

What vice do you supplement it with at the end of the day?

[A]

Push ups. I don't know.

[B]

Oh, God, you're such a psychopath.

[A]

Or how about this? If you want to have some cardboard, fine. Have your carbohydrates, then go for your walk. Okay, so leverage your body to balance out your choice.

[B]

Okay, I like that. That seems reasonable. Okay, let's end on. If you want to be the guaranteed unhealthiest person you can be, what do you do? Inverse thinking.

[A]

Perfect. Do not exercise, do not move, walk less than 3,000 steps. Number two, absolutely without a doubt, high calorie, high carb, processed food diet. And number three, don't have any friends. Guaranteed my recipe for misery.

[B]

And get hammered every night.

[A]

Yeah, perfect.

[B]

Now we're going to be the number one worst. Okay, I think the only thing that I want to end with is you have this new book coming out. You made it basically for me and.

[A]

People like me who won't read the whole book.

[B]

What? What do we need to know about this book? Who is this book for? Why should we pick it up right now?

[A]

If you have a body, this book is for you, period. It is how to think, how to move, how to eat, how to recover. It will tell you everything. And it is evidence based. It is not a workbook, but it's a playbook. So you know how they've got like the playbook for life. This is the book that I wish that I had had so good.

[B]

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, thank you for. For being here. Thank you for being my bud. Thank you for bullying me.

[A]

No problem.

[B]

You will bully me into what I do heavy things. Having friends, I mean, sucks, but doing what I'm going to do. So lame. Goodbye.